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Personal Defense (With Others) · Conversations: Special Guests with Preston Scott

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  Speaker 1: We're taking him away from a very important project, so
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  Speaker 1: we're limiting the abuse of time. Joining us for three
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  Speaker 1: segments this morning and our personal defense segment is co
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  Speaker 1: founder of the Talent Training Group and co host of
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  Speaker 1: Talent Outdoors. He is Charlie Stricklan. Good morning friend.
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  Speaker 2: How are you going? How are you?
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing well. We have been talking. We have been
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  Speaker 1: talking this morning about a story. It's the story is
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  Speaker 1: a bad headline. It's about misleading headline. But it revolves
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  Speaker 1: around the fragmentation of the bullet that killed Charlie Kirk.
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  Speaker 1: And we'll skip the bad headline but talk about how
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  Speaker 1: a fragmented bullet doesn't leave the same evidence behind as
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  Speaker 1: far as what gun it might have come out of
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  Speaker 1: that a non fragmented bullet would leave.
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  Speaker 2: Oh wow. One thing I love about our interactions pressing this.
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  Speaker 2: I had no idea what we were going to talk about,
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  Speaker 2: of course, so yeah, I mean, I did work in
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  Speaker 2: violent crimes, and I was an armor the Sheriff's office
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  Speaker 2: for years, And did you know all the bullet testing
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  Speaker 2: and stuff and shooting into vests and gelatiness have been
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  Speaker 2: to all the things over the years and testified and
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  Speaker 2: different things I am not a ballistics expert when it
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  Speaker 2: comes to that. However, what I do know and a
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  Speaker 2: lot of what you watch on CSI and things, and
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people's education is based off what they've
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  Speaker 2: seen on TV. And yeah, I mean that's where, okay,
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  Speaker 2: get me to run this down to the lab and
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  Speaker 2: get me the results, and that it doesn't work like that.
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  Speaker 2: You kind of get in line. So when a bullet's
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  Speaker 2: fired down a barrel, the evidence in the book one,
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  Speaker 2: you can there's some metallurgical things you could probably check.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm not a lab expert or anything to see
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  Speaker 2: you know, you might be able to provide the origin
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  Speaker 2: of that particular alloy. That's that's beyond me. Predominantly, what
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  Speaker 2: I'm aware of is the rifling that matches to the barrel.
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  Speaker 2: And so anytime a bullets fired a projectile is fired
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  Speaker 2: down a barrel of a rifle or handgun or you
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  Speaker 2: will get the witness marks on the actual projectile itself,
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  Speaker 2: and you can then take the firearm, if you have
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  Speaker 2: the original firearm, fire that into a medium like water
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  Speaker 2: gelatin typically I think it's water. In the lab, they
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  Speaker 2: take that projectile and then they look at it and
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  Speaker 2: they try to match it up. And because of rifling
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  Speaker 2: in barrels, because it is machined, is going to have
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  Speaker 2: unique characteristics. And so you look for those witness marks
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  Speaker 2: and try to determine if that rifling matches up. It's
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  Speaker 2: just like a fingerprint. Do these marks match these marks?
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  Speaker 2: You overlay them, look at them and go yes. I
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  Speaker 2: mean is that absolutely full proof? But yeah, kind of
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  Speaker 2: like the fingerprint, it is evidence and it can show.
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  Speaker 2: Now when a bullet hit something, and that bullet is
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  Speaker 2: either designed to fragment or fragments because of the velocity
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  Speaker 2: like a rifle realm. Most times, if you ever been
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  Speaker 2: deer hunting and you find the projectile in the deer,
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  Speaker 2: you find pieces of it, and if those pieces are
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  Speaker 2: so degraded because it hit something or it hit a bone,
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  Speaker 2: the chances of identifying that projectile back to that barrel
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  Speaker 2: are marginal. I don't know the percentages, but if you
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  Speaker 2: can't find an intact large piece of rifling to look
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  Speaker 2: at the witness marks against the actual tests projectile, it
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  Speaker 2: could be tough. I mean, depending on the amount of
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  Speaker 2: the amount of fragmentation, impossible to say beyond the shadow
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  Speaker 2: of out that that's the one I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 2: there's always well, we found the quarter of it able
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  Speaker 2: to match it with this, I guess, And there again,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that. But if somebody says that the
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  Speaker 2: bullet was too fragmented to to be able to connect
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  Speaker 2: to a barrel, I'm going to go, Okay, yeah, that happens.
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  Speaker 1: A lot, but it doesn't necessarily mean that it didn't
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  Speaker 1: come from that barrel.
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  Speaker 2: No, No, you can say, as a matter of fact,
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  Speaker 2: I would if And I don't know all the evidence
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  Speaker 2: in that particular case. I just know what I've seen
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  Speaker 2: historically in the news, based on the location, based on it,
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  Speaker 2: and it's you know, I mean, you know, it's conspiracy theories,
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  Speaker 2: conspiracies and conspiracies until you can prove them. I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that's enough evidence in anything to put
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  Speaker 2: any doubt on what I you know, what we all saw.
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  Speaker 2: It's bullets do really weird things when they enter into
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  Speaker 2: whatever it is they're shot at. I mean, yeah, we
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  Speaker 2: want a good range. We've seen bullets really really weird things.
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  Speaker 2: Are seeing enough shootings and evidence and autopsies. I can
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  Speaker 2: tell you that. But let's do really weird things.
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  Speaker 1: And we are back. It is April first, on the
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  Speaker 1: Morning Show with Preston Scott joining me No Fool Charlie
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  Speaker 1: Strickland of the Talent Training group Charlie, I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: talk about this story at the shooting at Old Dominion
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  Speaker 1: University back in early March, where guy targeted an ROTC classroom,
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  Speaker 1: killed one, injured others. What stood out to me though,
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  Speaker 1: was that the class responded as you might expect an
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  Speaker 1: ROTC group of cadets to do. But I'm wondering, in
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  Speaker 1: all the years, you've probably consulted with hundreds, if not
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  Speaker 1: now more than a thousand businesses organizations on defending wherever
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  Speaker 1: you are what that business might be. But we when
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  Speaker 1: we talk about it on the show, we've always talked
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  Speaker 1: about it in the singular of an individual person. Is
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  Speaker 1: there such a thing as kind of a group plan
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  Speaker 1: for personal defense at a business or at an organization?
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, and as we know or unattacked by a group
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  Speaker 2: is going to be more effective attacked by unattacked by
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  Speaker 2: an individual. I mean, if you think about flight ninety
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  Speaker 2: three on nine to eleven, I mean, let's roll mentality,
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  Speaker 2: and I think as a country we may have lost
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of that since nine to eleven or
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  Speaker 2: a lot of that since nine to eleven, and a
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  Speaker 2: lot of corners of our society is we fragmented, and
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  Speaker 2: we don't really think as a team anymore. But in
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  Speaker 2: the workplace or in an area where you might be
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  Speaker 2: a bystander or a victim of an active shooter or
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  Speaker 2: an incident like that, a violent crime. We've moved to
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  Speaker 2: a society where people want to break out their cell
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  Speaker 2: phones and videotape these things, and then we all look
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  Speaker 2: for the videotape. We want to see somebody's cell phone
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  Speaker 2: foot In the meantime, we're watching some kid get beat
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  Speaker 2: down by bullies, or we're watching some violent crime being committed,
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  Speaker 2: and we're not stepping up and doing something to see something.
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  Speaker 2: It's not see something, say something, see something, do something,
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  Speaker 2: and so you know, and then we're litigious society, so
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  Speaker 2: we're so worried about you know, we're going to get
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  Speaker 2: sued or whatever, which is why I carry that kind
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  Speaker 2: of insurance. It's always a good idea, do your research
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  Speaker 2: and look for some the So yeah, I mean, and
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  Speaker 2: when I'm talking about to groups, and this is what
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  Speaker 2: I do a lot of my time is to go
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  Speaker 2: around and do active shooter training for businesses and government entities,
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  Speaker 2: nonprofits and churches and so forth. We talk about working
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  Speaker 2: as a team. You know, if you have to put
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  Speaker 2: your hands on someone, you want to know someone else
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  Speaker 2: in the room is willing to help you out. Because
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  Speaker 2: what you may be doing in a violent encounterlike that
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  Speaker 2: is grabbing the hand with the weapon in it, or
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  Speaker 2: attacking the weapon. You need somebody else to come along
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  Speaker 2: and help render that person into whatever condition they need
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  Speaker 2: to be in under the circumstances, be an unconscious, disabled, dead, whatever,
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  Speaker 2: it's a deal. Dominion. I think they've rendered him no
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  Speaker 2: longer alive. Love that statement and that great.
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  Speaker 1: I was just I had highlighted that in this statement,
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  Speaker 1: the FBI special Agent in charge in Norfolk, Virginia, the
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  Speaker 1: students that were in the room, subdued him, rendered him
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  Speaker 1: no longer alive. I don't know how else to say it.
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  Speaker 1: They were basically able to terminate the threat and he
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  Speaker 1: was not shot. They stabbed him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh yeah, well you used the tools that you
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  Speaker 2: have at hand. Look, I'm I'm sitting there watching deer
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  Speaker 2: and go across the road press and it's beautiful and
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  Speaker 2: this morning the uh yeah, so how do you do that? Well,
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  Speaker 2: you think about what weapons? What? What weapons of opportunity
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  Speaker 2: do I have? What do I have available to me
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  Speaker 2: at any point in time? What can I carry on me?
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  Speaker 2: You can't carry a gun, You don't carry a gun? Well,
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  Speaker 2: then what tools do you have? Do you have a
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  Speaker 2: pocket knife? Do you have? I mean I always go
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  Speaker 2: back to, uh, Look, I love those little single stem
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  Speaker 2: crystal vases that you you know, put a single flower
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  Speaker 2: in and got a ball at the bottom size of
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  Speaker 2: a fist, and then it's got a stem on it.
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  Speaker 2: That makes it an excellent mace. And I don't mean
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  Speaker 2: mace like pepper sprow. I meant mace like a medieval
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  Speaker 2: mace weapon. You picked that thing up and clock somebody
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  Speaker 2: across the head and it will render them no longer
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  Speaker 2: conscious for sure, depending on how many times you hit them.
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  Speaker 1: Once a month, we talked personal defense here on the
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  Speaker 1: Morning Show. First time we've had Charlie Strickland with us
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  Speaker 1: in just a couple of months, and so we've got
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  Speaker 1: them for one more segment. Charlie. We were talking about
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  Speaker 1: personal defense on a group level, and you were talking
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  Speaker 1: specifically about maybe equipping the office or where you are
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  Speaker 1: with things if someone if you're not comfortable having a firearm,
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  Speaker 1: then it sounds like you're seeing saying be very intentional
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  Speaker 1: about what is available to you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, so let's say you are in an
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  Speaker 2: office setting that does not allow firearms, which is a
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  Speaker 2: lot of places, particularly around tallahassee. Well, you can't prohibit
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  Speaker 2: pavilions from coming into places with guns. I mean you
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  Speaker 2: can try, but your luck, it's a lot of places
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  Speaker 2: will prohibit the employees from having firearms there. And so
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  Speaker 2: then that puts you in a position whether if you
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  Speaker 2: want to arm yourself, even very discreetly, nobody can know
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  Speaker 2: where else somebody's going to tell somebody and then your
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  Speaker 2: subject lose your job. So let's say that you have
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  Speaker 2: to be unarmed in a public place where you're not
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  Speaker 2: allowed to have a firearm, or in your office or
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  Speaker 2: business setting where you're by policy not allowed to have
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  Speaker 2: a firearm. Then what do you do? And so you
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  Speaker 2: look for weapons of opportunity, and since you know that
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  Speaker 2: this is the case, you can states things. You can
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  Speaker 2: walk around. I would challenge people who are listening to
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  Speaker 2: go to your office environment today and walk around and
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  Speaker 2: specifically look for things that might be used as a weapon. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: so fire extinguishers make fantastic distraction devices. You pull the
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  Speaker 2: fire extinguisher off the wall. Most most places have fire
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  Speaker 2: extinguisher's scattered everywhere. Know where they are, maybe by a
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  Speaker 2: small one for your office. You know, it's just just
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  Speaker 2: nothing like being a little safe. I mean, you might
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  Speaker 2: be the person that saves the commercial building from fire,
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  Speaker 2: which you never lose commercial buildings to fire hardly anymore
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  Speaker 2: because of all the fire suppression equipment, because we're prepared
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  Speaker 2: for that, but we're not prepared for the fight. So
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  Speaker 2: have spray them in the face with the powder or
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  Speaker 2: the extinguisher and then use the fire extinguisher as an
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  Speaker 2: impact weapon. Yes, it because it goes from a distraction
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  Speaker 2: device to a club. Basically, we talked about the flower vase,
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  Speaker 2: you know, hard crystal when don't go get the plastic.
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  Speaker 2: When you get a hard crystal or glass vase and
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  Speaker 2: put affake flour to in it and use that, do
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  Speaker 2: not use was spray. People go, I want to get
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  Speaker 2: some was spray. Well that's going to sting a little,
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  Speaker 2: but it's not going to disable anybody. It's not designed
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  Speaker 2: to do that. You can cause permanent injury to the eyes,
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  Speaker 2: but not idiot incapacitation, which is what you're looking for.
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  Speaker 2: You want to spray something that's not pepper spray personally,
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  Speaker 2: I say, go get a can of bear spray. I
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  Speaker 2: mean that's if you're going to spray, somebody might as
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  Speaker 2: well go ahead, you know, go big or go home. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: get a cigarette lighter and a can of flammable aerosol.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I used to you know, it used to
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  Speaker 2: be funny. Take take stuff and you know, you create
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  Speaker 2: your own little flame thrower. Pointy devices. There are all
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  Speaker 2: kinds of pointy things that you can have around you,
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  Speaker 2: everything from letter openers to just absolute knives, you know,
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  Speaker 2: whatever the case may be.
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  Speaker 1: Charlie, what about those devices that that that are actually
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  Speaker 1: marketed as tactical for example, pens?
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  Speaker 2: Uh, those are absolutely their pointy devices. So I mean,
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  Speaker 2: if you've got something that you can and we we
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  Speaker 2: settle them at the counter the range where it looks
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  Speaker 2: like a sharpie and you take a cap off and
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  Speaker 2: instead of this, it's it's really it's more of a
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  Speaker 2: stabby than a sharpie. That doesn't right, It's a it's
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  Speaker 2: a my cart tip that's sharpened to a very sharp point.
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  Speaker 2: And stabbing in the eye the temple of the head
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  Speaker 2: can get someone's attention. What you're trying to do is
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  Speaker 2: to deter them from the attack. So you're trying to
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  Speaker 2: attack a part of the body or to do something
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  Speaker 2: that will cause them to lose motivation for what they're doing.
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  Speaker 2: And nothing like a pen in the eyeball or a
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  Speaker 2: thumb in the eyeball can can will change your mindset.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, because we teach I talk about mindset matters
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  Speaker 2: most the mindset of the protector versus the predator of
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  Speaker 2: the prey, and you can change their mindset as there's
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  Speaker 2: something called uderloop observation, orientation, decision and action. And what
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  Speaker 2: you're trying to do is to they're already at action.
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  Speaker 2: You're trying to cause them to react by giving them
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  Speaker 2: throwing them a curve off something they weren't expecting, and
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  Speaker 2: so by attacking them and attacking the face and the
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  Speaker 2: head is probably the best way. And biting, fighting a
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  Speaker 2: nose off or an ear off, or jabbing something in
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  Speaker 2: their eye, it is going to definitely get their attention.
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  Speaker 2: If they lose half their vision, now they go into
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  Speaker 2: self preservation mode, and this isn't fighting fair this is fighting,
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  Speaker 2: just fighting, and it's not martial arts. It's it's just
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  Speaker 2: dirty fighting, and it's what you have to do. So
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  Speaker 2: one of my favorite things, and I carry one everywhere
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  Speaker 2: I go, is a flashlight. And I don't mean just
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  Speaker 2: I don't mean like a key ring flashlight. I'm talking
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  Speaker 2: about a tactical flashlight. It's a small one with a
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  Speaker 2: pocket clip. I can clip it in my pocket if
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  Speaker 2: that's on me right now in this daytime, or grab
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  Speaker 2: one of the little tiny ones. We have an account
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  Speaker 2: that there's ten bucks and it's it's the size of
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  Speaker 2: a pin, but the ends of it are rigid. There's
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  Speaker 2: the two triple A batteries in it, and it's got
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  Speaker 2: about two hundred aluminum light. You can get them buy
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  Speaker 2: it on Amazon's Dirt Cheap, but shop locally the and
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  Speaker 2: then you use that one to sh the light in
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  Speaker 2: their eyes so that there's a little bit of a distraction,
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  Speaker 2: and then you use it in a stabbing motion and
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  Speaker 2: you stab the temple, the nose bridges and nose tab
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  Speaker 2: the eyes or the one that I use is about
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  Speaker 2: a fifty to sixty dollars flashlight. It's rechargeable USB C
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  Speaker 2: rechargeable actually on two. I keep one on the charger
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  Speaker 2: and I put a fresh one in my pocket and
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  Speaker 2: it'll run three or four days. And I use it
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  Speaker 2: a lot for just stuff around, you know, looking at
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  Speaker 2: in dark areas and stuff. As my eyes get old,
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  Speaker 2: I need it. But it also has a push button
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  Speaker 2: on the rear where you push it with your thumb,
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  Speaker 2: holding it with the flashlight coming out of the bottom
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  Speaker 2: of your hand, and you can also use it in
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  Speaker 2: a stabbing motion clock someone across the temple in the eye,
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  Speaker 2: across the bridge of the nose, Yeah, buddy, And it
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  Speaker 2: will bind you because it's about five or six hundred lumins.
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  Speaker 2: It is very bright and so nothing. And the thing
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  Speaker 2: is is, if you're talking about personal safety in an
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  Speaker 2: overall level, when you're you're leaving a place at night
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  Speaker 2: or going to your car doing something, and you hold
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  Speaker 2: that flashlight in your hand and out of light around
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  Speaker 2: a lot of not just your active assailants, but you're
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  Speaker 2: you're run of the mill criminal looks and sees the flashlight,
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  Speaker 2: a very bright flashlight, then they start to that's that's
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  Speaker 2: you become less of a target because they're looking for
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  Speaker 2: an easy target and roaches don't like the light, so
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  Speaker 2: they're they're going to move on to the next person,
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  Speaker 2: So flashlights. You're a good one as well.
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  Speaker 1: Charlie, great tips. I appreciate it very much. We'll talk
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  Speaker 1: to you again soon, yes, sir, talk all right, Charlie
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  Speaker 1: Strickland of the Talent Training Group. Remember talentrange dot com.