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Detroit Tigers Panic Check · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, part of
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Speaker 1: the Foul Territory Network, a Detroit Tiger's podcast. I'm Kieren
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Speaker 1: Steckley with me as always a man who is kind
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Speaker 1: of known as a bracketbuster back in the day. He
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Speaker 1: is Cody stapenagging how you doing.
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Speaker 2: Hey, not totally sure what that means, but you know,
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Speaker 2: roster projections, bracket kind of the same thing, and that,
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Speaker 2: like there might be a couple upsets, you might be
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Speaker 2: totally wrong on something. Sometimes picking the chaos option might
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Speaker 2: end up being the best thing. We're here in the
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Speaker 2: final days of spring training and there are a couple
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Speaker 2: big and arguably very hard decisions left.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, normally when I pick my bracket, I try
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Speaker 1: to like think, like most of this time this is chalk,
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Speaker 1: So I don't try to go for like the big upsets.
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Speaker 1: And if I would have, and we did do that
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Speaker 1: kind of with this roster projection when we a couple
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Speaker 1: of weeks ago, and I don't know if you can
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Speaker 1: really call a lot of stuff chalk. You know, you
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Speaker 1: have Parker Hurt, Yeah, Viera Leine Hurt, Jace Young has
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Speaker 1: already been sent down the my situation continues to develop.
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Speaker 1: Torque is playing in the outfield. You got people, yeah,
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Speaker 1: Ave or Bayez playing at third base.
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Speaker 2: There ain't nothing talk about this coding.
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Speaker 1: There is nothing talk about this as we kind of
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Speaker 1: slam toward the beginning of the regular season, and like
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Speaker 1: you said, some tough decisions to be made. The first
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Speaker 1: one it was announced more or less right when we
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Speaker 1: published our last episode, So I think that's where we
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Speaker 1: should start. Jace Young did not make this team. I
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Speaker 1: almost feel like a hypocrite the way I'm gonna phrase
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Speaker 1: this here, because it's like, oh, you're going back on
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Speaker 1: your word, but new information, you know, what else can
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Speaker 1: you do? I was one hundred percent down with like
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Speaker 1: if he was showing you something that bad has always
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Speaker 1: been his key, like give him some length here. The
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Speaker 1: problem is he just didn't really show you a lot.
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Speaker 1: And I'm a big believer longtime listeners know this. I'm
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Speaker 1: a big believer in like, read and listen to as
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Speaker 1: much aj Hinch as you can, because he in a
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Speaker 1: respectful but frank way is going to tell the truth,
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Speaker 1: you know, And the way that he talked about the
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Speaker 1: j situation, it was pretty clear that it just wasn't
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Speaker 1: going to work out right now, and that's always the
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Speaker 1: most important thing right now part of it. And like
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Speaker 1: the numbers speak for themselves, we don't have to dive
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Speaker 1: into them. It just he just did not look like
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Speaker 1: he was grooving towards starting the season with the major
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Speaker 1: league team, And more or less that's okay, and there's
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Speaker 1: a lot fallout from there. But your reaction, Cody to
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Speaker 1: maybe like the timing because we could kind of see it,
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Speaker 1: But the timing of the Young decision.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, in a way, I am still surprised that happens
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Speaker 2: so early, but aj Hinch said, once they make a decision,
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Speaker 2: it's their policy, or just kind of tell the player.
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Speaker 2: The fact they did it so early, I think tells
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Speaker 2: you how out they were on Jase Young, And we
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Speaker 2: did foreshadow that in our last episode, but it came
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Speaker 2: to fruition pretty quick, not even sitting around, Oh, what
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Speaker 2: if there's an injury or anything like that. Jase is
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Speaker 2: out And I can't really knock it. For as much
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Speaker 2: as I believe in the upside of his bat, for
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Speaker 2: as much as there's an argument that believing that upside
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Speaker 2: is still the better way to go, you stick to
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Speaker 2: your organizational philosophy of earmarking at bats for young players.
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Speaker 2: He looked so lost and it was getting worse. Really
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Speaker 2: looked to me like a guy who just needs to
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Speaker 2: find himself, the good old mental reset. I think it's
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Speaker 2: important to remember, as you kind of pointed out, Jay
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Speaker 2: Hung's career is not over. We could see this guy
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Speaker 2: by the end of April, like, who knows. In an
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Speaker 2: ideal world, I think the Tigers would still like to
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Speaker 2: see a lot of Jase Young this year. At the
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Speaker 2: same time questioned a lot like what do the Tigers
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Speaker 2: actually think of Jase Young? And I have asked Aj
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Speaker 2: Hinch if s Scott Harris. The answers you get were
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Speaker 2: always like just luke warm. They weren't And sometimes you
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Speaker 2: can tell when AJ's like, yeah, I don't like a
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Speaker 2: guy like you said, he finds very subtle ways to
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Speaker 2: drop hints, and there wasn't even that with Jase. But
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Speaker 2: also just I never got the sense that they were
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Speaker 2: like fired up about him, And another core belief of
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Speaker 2: mine as that team tell you what you think with
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Speaker 2: their actions. This was a pretty strong action and maybe
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Speaker 2: even the fact they're not just gonna bank on the
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Speaker 2: upside right away let him grind through those struggles kind
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Speaker 2: of tells you they don't have all that much faith
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Speaker 2: in Jase being a big time contributor right now. So yeah,
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Speaker 2: that's kind of what the situation here is. Unfortunately, Plan
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Speaker 2: A at third base was Alex Bragnant, Plan B was
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Speaker 2: Matt Vierling, Andy A Banyez, Zach McKinstry. That you know,
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Speaker 2: Veeling's hurt, Clint C was Jayce Young or Jason was
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Speaker 2: probably part of Planing B with Veeling, and Jase had
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Speaker 2: an awful spring. So now you're looking at Handy A.
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Speaker 2: Banias and Zach McKinstry platooning to begin the year at
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Speaker 2: third base. It is very tough to be excited about that.
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean tough to be excited about it. That
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Speaker 1: that's not the vibe I get from the fan base
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Speaker 1: right now. Cody, Uh, there's uh, there's a there's a
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Speaker 1: lot of dare I say the P word, There's a
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Speaker 1: lot of panic going around the fan base right now,
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Speaker 1: And really, like, I'm a big believer in not diving
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Speaker 1: that far into like the emotional element. It's a long season.
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Speaker 1: The season has even started yet, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 1: But the what you just laid out there is like
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Speaker 1: the ingredients for a panic, right and you know, starting
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Speaker 1: you know, you throw in Hobbyer getting the reps at
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Speaker 1: third base, and then like you know, McKinstry, you know,
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Speaker 1: let's I pretend like he's getting the cover off the
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Speaker 1: ball in the spring. So so like's there's an element
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Speaker 1: of I think it's fair to say disappointment with how
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Speaker 1: the hot corner has gone from at the end of
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Speaker 1: last season to here we sit on March eighteenth. That's
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Speaker 1: not even like a real criticism. I think there's not
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Speaker 1: really any other way to describe it as such. And so,
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Speaker 1: like you know, it's lends itself to some like if
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Speaker 1: this was a political thing, we would call it a
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Speaker 1: conspiracy theory, like all these things that people are kind
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Speaker 1: of like wanting to do. If that makes sense, where
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Speaker 1: it's like, well, could they do this? Could they do that?
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Speaker 1: You know, like well, like the Glaber conversation, could he
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Speaker 1: be a third baseman? And I don't know, I've never
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Speaker 1: talked to Glaber, obviously I'm not talking to aj. It's
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Speaker 1: gotten all that stuff about like whether that's like a possibility.
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Speaker 1: I would wager that it is an understood fact that
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Speaker 1: labor is going to be a second basement because he
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Speaker 1: rejected talking to teams that wanted to look at him
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Speaker 1: at third base. And I'm pretty sure the Yankees could
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Speaker 1: have used him at third base at any time in
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Speaker 1: the last five years and that didn't happen. So I
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Speaker 1: assume that's out the window. You get correct me if
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Speaker 1: I'm wrong here. I guess never say never, but I
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Speaker 1: assume that's a little bit out the window. And so
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Speaker 1: the point is is that the fan base is feeling
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Speaker 1: desperate about the third base situation. I don't know if
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Speaker 1: the team is well, we'll see. Maybe tomorrow the'll trade
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Speaker 1: for Nolan Aeronato.
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Speaker 2: I don't think they're getting older Ornata. I think that
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Speaker 2: ship has saled, at least for the time being. I
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Speaker 2: don't think Labor Torez is going to start playing third
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Speaker 2: base tomorrow or Opening Day or anything like that. I
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Speaker 2: do kind of agree with the thought that like Labor
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Speaker 2: is here on a one year deal in part to
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Speaker 2: build his value. Right he talked about one to get
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Speaker 2: a big contract next year in free agency. He'd be
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Speaker 2: more valuable in free agency bowl this year, both next
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Speaker 2: year for the rest of his career if he can
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Speaker 2: play more than one position, because we all know he's
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Speaker 2: not a very good defensive second basement. It might be
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Speaker 2: in his best interest, not just the team's his, to
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Speaker 2: play third base, but that's not happening right now. That's
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Speaker 2: just kind of the reality. And even that whole construction
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Speaker 2: kind of is almost an overreaction to the fact Spencer
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Speaker 2: Toorkelsen had a good spring training. If we would have
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Speaker 2: told you in the off season, hey, Spencer Torkelsen is
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Speaker 2: going to be your first baseman, people would have been
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Speaker 2: up in arms. Now to hits four homers in the spring,
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Speaker 2: it's like, oh, why is Glaber not playing third? So
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Speaker 2: I don't totally know how to feel about that. I
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Speaker 2: think panic is a little bit strong here because the
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Speaker 2: panic implies that Jase Young is just his career is over,
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Speaker 2: and that Matt Vierling we don't quite know the extent
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Speaker 2: of his injury. We'll see what that timeline ends up
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Speaker 2: looking like, but Matt Vierling is going to be back
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Speaker 2: at some point in time. You would think this might
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Speaker 2: be a very short term problem. Now. At the same time, yeah,
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Speaker 2: Banie has mckinstrey, I'm not jazzed about wintle Pear is
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Speaker 2: playing in the sun and center. I'm not jazzed about.
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Speaker 2: You have two positions that are pretty glaring weaknesses right
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Speaker 2: now to begin the season, a year in which you
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Speaker 2: want to win the division, make it back to the playoffs.
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Speaker 2: Even as good of a spring of Spencer Torkleson had
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Speaker 2: like he now is maybe gonna take on a little
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Speaker 2: bigger role. This guy you sent down twice. There's some
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Speaker 2: real concerns about this lineup. But I'm also other than
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Speaker 2: the whole bragmant thing, which I'm too exhausted to fully relitigate,
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Speaker 2: like what was the solution? And I'm not totally sure.
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Speaker 2: I don't think it was Anthony Santander. I think we
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Speaker 2: all agreed that he was not actually a good fit
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Speaker 2: for this roster. Maybe if you could have got him
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Speaker 2: on a short term deal. He signed a five year
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Speaker 2: deal with the Blue Jays. Do you want Anthony Santander
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Speaker 2: for five years? Honestly, don't loved task On Kim. If
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Speaker 2: the Tigers had signed to him, he would be on
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Speaker 2: the injured list right now, so he wouldn't help you
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Speaker 2: just yet. And and I think, as we've learned a
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Speaker 2: little more, I'm not sure how Song Kim had that
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Speaker 2: much interest in spending kind of a pillow deal year
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Speaker 2: in Camerica Park. We've seen how Georgi m Steinberner Field
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Speaker 2: played hass On Kim might think he's gonna make a
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Speaker 2: little more money if he goes there and Jackson balls
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Speaker 2: over the very short fences. So it's a bigger complicated discussion.
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Speaker 2: And I'm worried about the Tiger's offense. I've been worried
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Speaker 2: about the Tigers offense all along, but I'm not entirely
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Speaker 2: sure what the solution is at this point. I think
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Speaker 2: you gotta hope Jase Young makes his way back and
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Speaker 2: that Matt Vierling gets healthy and then maybe your concerns
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Speaker 2: become eased a little bit.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and another and I don't even want to make
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Speaker 1: this like another like tangent here, but just like another
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Speaker 1: talking point is that like there's a little bit of
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Speaker 1: a philosophical possibility of pivot with the Young situation and
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Speaker 1: and the fact that like you know he is why
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Speaker 1: is he not getting some of the run? Well, it's
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Speaker 1: because the stakes are a little bit higher, you see
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So like you have to you have
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Speaker 1: to kind of you have to kind of ride that
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Speaker 1: line a little bit when you're coming off a playoff
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Speaker 1: appearance and you are uh and and you are aiming
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Speaker 1: to win the division. And again the Bregmant thing, it
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Speaker 1: was like a real push to get Bregmant. So again
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Speaker 1: not not not all not a huge tangent there, but
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Speaker 1: I do think it is one of the things that
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Speaker 1: kind of monitor moving forward to see how Scott Harris,
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Speaker 1: you know, his ever his philosophy like ever involves based
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Speaker 1: on the state of team, just stuff that I'm looking
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Speaker 1: out for. We don't have to talk too much.
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Speaker 2: Well and Kien, this is like an educated guess in inference.
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Speaker 2: But I if I had to guess right now who
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Speaker 2: Scott Harris thinks will get the majority of it bats
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Speaker 2: at third base in the second half of the season,
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Speaker 2: I might say, how you lead? And I know I
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Speaker 2: came away at the end of spring not actually all
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Speaker 2: that impressed with with Lee at the plate, But the
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Speaker 2: Tigers still really like this guy, and I think that
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Speaker 2: plays into their a mid interest level in Jace Young. Uh.
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Speaker 2: Don't forget how you Lee could enter this equation if
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Speaker 2: he performs well in Triple A.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and probably one of those you know, two guys
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Speaker 1: to monitor pretty sharply in Toledo, both kind of reps
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Speaker 1: wise and just you know general, and.
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Speaker 2: We're not gonna do this McGonagall thing either. McGonagall is
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Speaker 2: a great prospect. I know I raised some questions about
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Speaker 2: him in our last episode, but like, he's a great prospect,
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Speaker 2: he's a great get for the Tigers. He's probably gonna
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Speaker 2: start the year in High A.
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Speaker 1: All right, he's got a long way to go here,
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Speaker 1: Kevin McGonagall, What did I text you, Cody? He hit
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Speaker 1: like two fourteen and like a handful of handful of
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Speaker 1: games in West Michigan last year.
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Speaker 2: And prematurely with an injury.
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Speaker 1: He's gonna, like I believe in him, but you know,
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Speaker 1: you you have to kind of take that consideration, is
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Speaker 1: what I would say that. All right, Well, that wasn't
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Speaker 1: like the most like h sonny start to the podcast, Cody, Uh,
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Speaker 1: maybe this is sunny, maybe it's not.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what you're gonna say here, but you
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Speaker 1: are back in Florida, as everybody knows. And we didn't
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Speaker 1: do this on Sunday. So I think now as the
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Speaker 1: season is progressed, you know, getting really really close here
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Speaker 1: about a week, what would be the vibes of Tigers
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Speaker 1: camp right now, as you know, the numbers start dwindle
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Speaker 1: lane and the season is on the horizon of analogy.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually think the vibes internally are still really high.
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Speaker 2: That's the one thing we talked about, like we don't
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Speaker 2: get as critical as we did back in the day,
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Speaker 2: even though we just I don't know if it's critical,
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Speaker 2: but we just kind of discussed the various layers of
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Speaker 2: concern with the team. I think these guys in their
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Speaker 2: clubhouse are pretty fired up. I think there's going to
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Speaker 2: be a positive takeaway coming out of spring training, largely
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Speaker 2: because this team can pitch. I mean, it has been
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Speaker 2: a pretty great spring on the pitching front. The majority
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Speaker 2: of guys have performed well. They're coming out of spring
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Speaker 2: healthy pitching wise. Casey Mize takes a big step forward,
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Speaker 2: even the much the linkinto my Aida has done some
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Speaker 2: nice things this spring. I don't know if they can
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Speaker 2: replicate last year's success we talked about I was a
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Speaker 2: little bit of a historical anomaly, but the Tigers are
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Speaker 2: going to have a top ten, maybe top five pitching staff. Again.
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure there's much doubt in my mind. Provided
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Speaker 2: their top guys maintain health. At least these guys can
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Speaker 2: throw the ball, and that might give them a chance
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Speaker 2: to live with some of these early season concerns at third,
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Speaker 2: at center, really the entire lineup. I think the pitching
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Speaker 2: is the main reason people around this camp are still
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Speaker 2: really optimistic.
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Speaker 1: And look, when you got s Google, they're front lining it.
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Speaker 1: It's hard to h it's hard to not have that
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Speaker 1: belief and you have guys. I mean that there was
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Speaker 1: basically the car wash went on on the General foul
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Speaker 1: Territory Show with a lot of the faces of the
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Speaker 1: organization and and that was fun to see and you
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Speaker 1: do kind of, i mean, get that kind of positive
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Speaker 1: vibe there and you see like you know, school bol
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Speaker 1: School Wel He's he's everywhere. He's done being a great
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Speaker 1: ambassador for the Tigers. But you see like Riley Green
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Speaker 1: and Carry Carpenter and these guys, and it's like, well,
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Speaker 1: it's hard to be that gloomy when you got school Bull,
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Speaker 1: you got Green and then the Carry Carpenter who like,
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Speaker 1: we are so guilty just because there's not that much
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Speaker 1: interesting to say, but we are really guilty of just
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Speaker 1: kind of not doing a lot of Carpenter stuff. Ye
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Speaker 1: this spring training, which and by the way, I don't
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Speaker 1: like I'm saying a lot of other people talk about
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Speaker 1: Carpenter either, which probably means like if he starts out
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Speaker 1: the season on a tear, he's gonna be like the
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Speaker 1: number one focus. And you could argue, given these injuries
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Speaker 1: and all that stuff, that you know, his bat is
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Speaker 1: gonna be as crucial as ever to start the season.
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Speaker 1: Speaking of the outfield, though, we finally saw Spencer Torglsen.
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Speaker 1: We talked about it on Sunday coding. We finally saw
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Speaker 1: Spencer Torklsen in the outfield. Not a whole lot to scout,
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Speaker 1: I would say, but you did write about it. You did,
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Speaker 1: you said you were going to talk to him, and
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Speaker 1: you did talk about It's on the Athletic you can
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Speaker 1: you can read if you're a subscriber. Uh. I'm curious
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Speaker 1: how special Torklesen like like you're read of him doing this,
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Speaker 1: because one of the criticisms of Torkalsen is that kind
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Speaker 1: of reading between the lines, like it wasn't like he
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Speaker 1: was that open. And I think a safe way to
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Speaker 1: say about like some of the some of the like
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Speaker 1: that you people call it stubbornness in the plate, and
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Speaker 1: like all that stuff with some of the things. So
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to I'm trying to be like uh as
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Speaker 1: PC and as accurate as I can there. That was
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Speaker 1: one of the things that you kind of reading between
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Speaker 1: the lines with Torque. And then you know, he basically
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Speaker 1: gets his job taken away from and he has a
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Speaker 1: good spring as we talked about. And now this is
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Speaker 1: a former one to one who was drafted as a
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Speaker 1: third baseman, who's played the entire major league career at
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Speaker 1: first base, and like now the outfield beat his avenue.
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Speaker 1: So so I'm just kind of curious how like the
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Speaker 1: Torque vibe is and then just you know, anything observational
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Speaker 1: he can say about like seeing him, I'm sure it
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Speaker 1: was kind of weird to see torquing in right field,
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Speaker 1: But you know, what can you kind of share with us?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he said he's one thousand percent on
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Speaker 2: board of playing outfield, and I believe him. I think
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Speaker 2: he'd much rather spend a few innings in right field
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Speaker 2: than a few months in Triple A Toledo, right and
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Speaker 2: he's done it before, as we've talked about. Didn't get
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Speaker 2: to se him Chase a pop fly in his first
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Speaker 2: taste of action. We did even see some early maybe
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Speaker 2: some growing pains. Babbled a single a little bit, didn't
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Speaker 2: cost the Tigers anything. It did seem for as much
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Speaker 2: as I've always thought like he kind of should play
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Speaker 2: out there, it did see him. It was funny seeing
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Speaker 2: him run out to the outfield, and it did just
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Speaker 2: look strange. You know, A weird play where he threw
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Speaker 2: the third allowed a runner to take second. AJ Hinchsey
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Speaker 2: didn't have a problem with the decision, but the throw
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Speaker 2: to third was not good. I know he's been ugly
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Speaker 2: chasing pop flies before, but I think with some practice,
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Speaker 2: which again the Tigers didn't give him any practice, but
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Speaker 2: I think was in practice, maybe he could be I
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Speaker 2: don't know he could be as good as Jay in
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Speaker 2: at least right j is not very good outfielder. I
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Speaker 2: think you do that. I'm actually worried about his arm.
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Speaker 2: I think all the time of an old interview I
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Speaker 2: had with Tom Holliday, who coached him in Cape Cod
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Speaker 2: talked a lot about the arm and teaching Turtlesen to
18:24
Speaker 2: throw like an outfielder throw. Think about have you ever
18:26
Speaker 2: seen turtles him make a long throw? Overhead. I haven't
18:30
Speaker 2: no slings the ball from a three quarter spot like
18:32
Speaker 2: an infielder, because he's an infielder. But even at third,
18:35
Speaker 2: you know, he had a similar throwing motion. The one
18:38
Speaker 2: time we've seen him make a throw from right field,
18:40
Speaker 2: it wasn't very good. I think that may be a
18:43
Speaker 2: little bit of a concern with him, but we might
18:47
Speaker 2: see a lot more of it we might not. I
18:49
Speaker 2: think it's less dependent on the glove and more dependent
18:53
Speaker 2: on the bat. If Tworklesen is hitting, aj Hinch is
18:55
Speaker 2: gonna find ways to get him in this lineup again.
19:00
Speaker 2: I have him won my latest roster projection. I think
19:02
Speaker 2: just the sheer ability to play right field pin ship
19:05
Speaker 2: for Kerry Carpenter late in the game, whatever it might be,
19:09
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19:11
Speaker 2: and if he happens to be hitting the ball, maybe
19:16
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19:28
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19:41
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19:46
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Speaker 1: we have talked about some of the things that are
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Speaker 1: wrong or different, let's kind of go back to some
21:34
Speaker 1: usual stuff here, Cody. So this obviously publishes Wednesday morning. Wednesday,
21:40
Speaker 1: just afternoon, we will see Casey Mize for the final
21:44
Speaker 1: time in the Grepefruit League, setting over there against the
21:49
Speaker 1: Red Sox. And I here's why I hope happens. I
21:54
Speaker 1: hope he does like something similar way he's done old
21:58
Speaker 1: Spring side of the decision, just like does it become
22:01
Speaker 1: the Battle in New Orleans in the War of eighteen twelve,
22:04
Speaker 1: where it's like everyone associated like he doesn't make the squad.
22:06
Speaker 1: He has a bad thing outing against the Red Sox,
22:08
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden everyone associates it with with
22:11
Speaker 1: one out, which is obviously would be inaccurate, but it
22:13
Speaker 1: would just like lead to general association. And Jackson Job
22:19
Speaker 1: is a guy that if you just want to like
22:22
Speaker 1: do a hype meter has has We've talked about a
22:25
Speaker 1: little bit, but it has kind of come down just
22:28
Speaker 1: a tad not making a proclamation of anything, but it
22:33
Speaker 1: is of note as the kind of rotation comes in
22:37
Speaker 1: the focus, I will make note that Dan Dickerson on
22:40
Speaker 1: his personal starring rotation, he has Mize and Job in there.
22:45
Speaker 1: And I think I take Dan's baseball opinions very seriously,
22:48
Speaker 1: so I just wanted to make note of that.
22:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and put them both in there.
22:53
Speaker 2: Job did make his last outing on the Lakeland backfields
22:56
Speaker 2: instead of the game against the Twins and Fort Myers.
23:00
Speaker 2: I think part of that was they didn't want to
23:01
Speaker 2: take him on a very long bus trip and they
23:03
Speaker 2: wanted to make sure he was able to get that
23:05
Speaker 2: outing in if that game got banged or something. And
23:08
Speaker 2: the Tigers are two and a half hours plus from Lakeland.
23:10
Speaker 2: It would be a little bit of a problem. So
23:14
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know the full story there, but
23:16
Speaker 2: I don't think it's anything like. I don't think it's
23:18
Speaker 2: a big deal. Casey Mises has earned to this man,
23:23
Speaker 2: he's been so good all spring. I mean, there is
23:25
Speaker 2: a world where the Tigers could leave my Aida, as
23:29
Speaker 2: I've said in the rotation, but I think I think
23:31
Speaker 2: that's going to be hard to justify. And even though
23:34
Speaker 2: that would allow the Tigers to do more with their bullpen.
23:37
Speaker 2: You get Brendan Hannafie, who will talk about more on
23:40
Speaker 2: a second one. There for sure, the Tigers, you probably also,
23:44
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, feel more comfortable with
23:46
Speaker 2: my Aida in more of a protected role. So the
23:49
Speaker 2: bullpen where you can pick and choose a spot for him,
23:52
Speaker 2: I don't think they're going to totally shy away from them.
23:54
Speaker 2: I think they think the splitter could be good against
23:56
Speaker 2: the right pocket, and a lineup could give you a
23:59
Speaker 2: multiple tame things if you needed to. This just seems
24:02
Speaker 2: to make the most sense though, right Like k you're
24:05
Speaker 2: really gonna look Casey Miyes in the eye and tell
24:07
Speaker 2: him he's going down? Maybe they could, but man, that'd
24:11
Speaker 2: be tough and job. He still some things to work
24:15
Speaker 2: on that's become more apparent. But dude, he's so good.
24:19
Speaker 2: And we've talked at length about the prospect promotion thing.
24:22
Speaker 2: I think this guy's got to be on your opening
24:24
Speaker 2: day roster. I mean, if you would all believe he
24:27
Speaker 2: is talented enough to win Rookie of the Year, you
24:29
Speaker 2: can't keep him in Toledo. In my opinion, I would
24:32
Speaker 2: have them both on my roster projection. I think these
24:35
Speaker 2: pitching decisions, though, are so hard because there's a couple
24:39
Speaker 2: guys you're just trying to get on there. The Mayeta
24:41
Speaker 2: thing does kind of weigh you down, but you have
24:43
Speaker 2: to keep him on the roster, or at least the
24:45
Speaker 2: Tigers are, I assure you going to keep him on
24:47
Speaker 2: the roster. It's really tough. I'm glad I'm not the
24:51
Speaker 2: guy who has to make the final decision on who's
24:54
Speaker 2: like the last the last man in the bullpen. But
24:57
Speaker 2: if I weren't making this decision, I would have Jackson,
24:59
Speaker 2: Job Casey my eyes both in the rotation.
25:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm one hund percent confident with that. I believe
25:06
Speaker 1: that to be like the best allocation of resources like
25:10
Speaker 1: that that's kind of what I've kind of come down to.
25:12
Speaker 1: I try to keep I try to keep it simple
25:15
Speaker 1: and when I when I'm forming my opinions, and it
25:17
Speaker 1: just seems like that's the best use and my ada.
25:22
Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned my Aida out of the pen
25:24
Speaker 1: being like an asset that they like believe in, because
25:27
Speaker 1: there's no reason, based on like what we've seen in spring,
25:31
Speaker 1: that you can't utilize him in a beneficial way, not
25:35
Speaker 1: just like some innings eater or whatever. Like I think
25:38
Speaker 1: there's a very real world where he is a valuable
25:41
Speaker 1: guy in the pen. And then like you know, we
25:43
Speaker 1: know arm injuries are gonna happen, Like there's there, there's
25:46
Speaker 1: a guy right there. You see what I'm saying, that
25:48
Speaker 1: that you can that you can work with. So in
25:51
Speaker 1: my opinion, that's that's the best way to go. I
25:53
Speaker 1: don't I'm a big believer and if guys earned the
25:56
Speaker 1: earned the job, like they should get the job, you
26:00
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like we talked to me started
26:01
Speaker 1: this podcast talking about Young he didn't earn it, you know,
26:05
Speaker 1: and why didn't he earn it? You know, partially because
26:07
Speaker 1: of what he performed on the field in these games.
26:10
Speaker 1: And my Miyes to to this point had pretty much
26:13
Speaker 1: no matter no matter what happens on on Wednesday, he
26:19
Speaker 1: would have quote unquote earned it. But the Handify thing
26:22
Speaker 1: is interesting, Cody like not to not to be mentioned,
26:25
Speaker 1: not not to go without mentioning it. I should say,
26:27
Speaker 1: this is a guy who is he has appeared in
26:29
Speaker 1: six games, He's got a little bit more than seven
26:32
Speaker 1: innings in the spring, only four hits. You know, like
26:37
Speaker 1: like the guy looks good. There's no there's no doubt
26:39
Speaker 1: about it. Is the one that you you always bring up,
26:41
Speaker 1: you're really in it.
26:43
Speaker 2: I mean Kieran hand if he had a sub two
26:44
Speaker 2: e R eight on the stretch for the Tigers last year,
26:47
Speaker 2: he's been even better this spring. I mean his stuff
26:51
Speaker 2: has been on a whole new level. Who in the
26:54
Speaker 2: Tigers bullpen has been more impressive than Brendan Hanafe this spring.
26:57
Speaker 2: My answer to that question is nobody. And so how
27:02
Speaker 2: do you get this guy on the roster? If we
27:04
Speaker 2: just go through will vest Bowbriskie, Tyler Holton in theory,
27:11
Speaker 2: let's see, you got you signed Kinley, you sign Brebia,
27:14
Speaker 2: you have Jason Foley, kin Tamata. Right now we're putting
27:18
Speaker 2: in the pin that leaves one spot, So does that
27:23
Speaker 2: go to Hannafee. He's earned it. He is not allowed
27:26
Speaker 2: a single run all spring. If you do that, you
27:30
Speaker 2: have one left handed pitcher in the bullpen, and it's
27:32
Speaker 2: Tyler Holton, who, for what it's worth, you don't really
27:35
Speaker 2: use as like a six situational lefty all that much.
27:38
Speaker 2: You use him in a million different ways. So that's
27:42
Speaker 2: a little bit of a risky construction. I think. Now
27:45
Speaker 2: it's worth noting that Tigers have a lot of dudes
27:48
Speaker 2: who can get out left handed hitters, So how much
27:52
Speaker 2: do they value Still certain guys just struggle with that
27:55
Speaker 2: arm slot coming out from the left side. And also
27:59
Speaker 2: it's important to think which hitters Dodgers have, what Tommy
28:03
Speaker 2: Edmund the Mariners, Jp Crawford, the Mariners have a couple
28:06
Speaker 2: switch hitters. You might need a second lefty just to
28:09
Speaker 2: turn a guy around in a pinch. I think that's
28:13
Speaker 2: certainly worth considering. And that's why I'm really torn on this.
28:17
Speaker 2: My projection on the athletic I put Brent Herder on there.
28:21
Speaker 2: Herder his command's not been good this spring, but it's
28:23
Speaker 2: been better the last two outings. The Tigers love him
28:26
Speaker 2: and believe in them. Any offers do length, So you
28:29
Speaker 2: could use them as a situational lefty. You can use
28:31
Speaker 2: them in a multi ning role. You could open a
28:33
Speaker 2: game with him. That still makes a lot of sense.
28:37
Speaker 2: Andrew Chafin remains in this mix. He's still throwing so
28:41
Speaker 2: slow that stat cast is registering some of his forcing
28:45
Speaker 2: fastballs as change ups. But he topped ninety one. He
28:49
Speaker 2: did think ninety one. His last outing was better. Not
28:54
Speaker 2: only was the velocity yep, just the command, the stuff
28:56
Speaker 2: overall seemed to be an improvement. He's gonna get in
28:59
Speaker 2: the big lead. But I think it would be easy
29:01
Speaker 2: to say, you know, chaf go give me two good
29:04
Speaker 2: weeks in Toledo. Let's make sure you're one hundred percent there.
29:06
Speaker 2: We don't want to brush this. And so that would
29:10
Speaker 2: leave like the option Sean Gunther, who didn't have a
29:14
Speaker 2: very good camp. Uh, that leaves like Hanna Fee and
29:18
Speaker 2: one thing no one's talking about that would solve this
29:21
Speaker 2: to Lemmic here and you know who has not had
29:23
Speaker 2: a good spring, Jason Foley. I don't know that the
29:28
Speaker 2: Tigers are going to option Jason Foley, but if I
29:34
Speaker 2: were running the team. That might be my move. They
29:36
Speaker 2: didn't use him in the Alds like that, like a j.
29:40
Speaker 2: Hinter was actively staying away from him and his not
29:43
Speaker 2: only is his ra bad this spring, this stuff just
29:46
Speaker 2: hasn't been there. The villa was way down, and I
29:48
Speaker 2: think his most recent outing in a way, he's your
29:51
Speaker 2: most one of your most proven relievers. That be kind
29:54
Speaker 2: of a bold move. But who's had the better like
29:59
Speaker 2: not just results wise, who has looked better this spring?
30:02
Speaker 2: Who do you want to put in against the LA
30:03
Speaker 2: Dodgers right now? I take Hannify and again just tell fully,
30:07
Speaker 2: hey man, we believe in you. You're a great pitcher.
30:09
Speaker 2: We just need you to go get right real quick.
30:13
Speaker 2: It's gonna be really interesting because someone is gonna get
30:17
Speaker 2: told they're not on the team. Who deserves to be
30:19
Speaker 2: on the team. That could be Mies, That could be Handifee,
30:22
Speaker 2: that could be Fully, that could be heard or Chase, Like,
30:25
Speaker 2: there're gonna be some hard conversations. We're not even mentioning
30:28
Speaker 2: cater Montero, who's had a great spring. I think he's
30:31
Speaker 2: pretty much locked to be like that dude in Toledo
30:33
Speaker 2: who's maybe the rain delay guy. Like we're gonna see him,
30:37
Speaker 2: but it makes sense for him to go to triple
30:41
Speaker 2: A Handafy's the one that's like keeping me up right now,
30:44
Speaker 2: and I'm like, he kind of has to be on
30:45
Speaker 2: this bullpen. The only real way I see it working
30:49
Speaker 2: is if you option fully, and I'm not sure I
30:51
Speaker 2: see the Tigers actually optioning Jason Fodan.
30:56
Speaker 1: What I'll say about fully right now is that the
31:00
Speaker 1: ingredients to give the Tigers an out in this decision
31:05
Speaker 1: is one hundred percent there with how he's looked the
31:07
Speaker 1: spring and like, and because no one's talking about it,
31:10
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna read the stats real quick, Cody, so
31:12
Speaker 1: people have an idea in case this does go down.
31:15
Speaker 1: He's gotten eight four to four e R. That's in
31:17
Speaker 1: you know, just over five innings. He's giving up eight
31:20
Speaker 1: hits home run. You know, he does have eight strikeouts,
31:24
Speaker 1: so like you know, forever that's worth. But but it's
31:29
Speaker 1: it hasn't looked good either, as you point out, with
31:31
Speaker 1: the velocity. So it's so it's one of those things
31:34
Speaker 1: that like if you're going for the tough decisions, there's
31:38
Speaker 1: the ingredients that lends itself to that area. So we'll
31:43
Speaker 1: have to see. We'll have to see. We'll have to
31:45
Speaker 1: monitor that. But before we before we get to a
31:50
Speaker 1: couple of hitter quick hitter, hitter stuff. Cody speaking of
31:54
Speaker 1: Greenow guy. We saw Matt Manning today. Uh, it just
32:00
Speaker 1: kind of feels like it's coming, like, at least to
32:03
Speaker 1: a metaphorical kind of crash and burn. It just it's
32:07
Speaker 1: not a lot of not a lot of good things
32:10
Speaker 1: coming out of his outings and and and if there.
32:15
Speaker 1: As I've said before, it just feels like everybody's just
32:18
Speaker 1: kind of like passed him by a little bit. And
32:20
Speaker 1: I feel bad saying that, but I don't know how
32:23
Speaker 1: else to describe that. We just gave like twenty pitchers
32:27
Speaker 1: a mention here and he wasn't one of them. Any
32:29
Speaker 1: pitched today.
32:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we know he was optioned what feels
32:33
Speaker 2: like a long time ago now, didn't have a good camp,
32:36
Speaker 2: And before his outing here against the Twins, I was like,
32:39
Speaker 2: he's either going to shove because he's mad, or he's
32:42
Speaker 2: going to be terrible because he's just kind of down
32:45
Speaker 2: on the dumps. He was, He was low key pretty terrible.
32:48
Speaker 2: The fastball Vila was not there at all, wasn't locating
32:53
Speaker 2: early and got away with it, and by his fourth
32:55
Speaker 2: inning he was getting beat around the yard a little bit.
32:58
Speaker 2: It's become kind of sad, you know. I've always had
33:02
Speaker 2: a lot of questions about Matt Manning's development, not necessarily
33:05
Speaker 2: had the most belief in him, even though we always
33:09
Speaker 2: talked about his potential. We've talked about him almost as
33:11
Speaker 2: much as any player. I just never saw clicking. I
33:14
Speaker 2: never saw a third pitch, And now it's like, is
33:17
Speaker 2: this the end? I mean, there's a part of me
33:19
Speaker 2: that walked out of the park Tuesday and was like,
33:22
Speaker 2: might be the last time we see Matt Manning throw?
33:24
Speaker 2: If they make a waiver claim or something next week,
33:27
Speaker 2: could they have hay him? I've called a long time,
33:31
Speaker 2: said he it would make sense to move him to
33:33
Speaker 2: the pin. I understand the Tigers don't necessarily want to
33:36
Speaker 2: do that with guys until they have to. It makes
33:38
Speaker 2: more sense to keep them stretched out as starters if
33:41
Speaker 2: you need blah blah blah. But at this point, he
33:43
Speaker 2: ain't first up to go to the big leagues. I
33:45
Speaker 2: don't think he's second up to go to the big leagues.
33:47
Speaker 2: I think if you want to get any value out
33:50
Speaker 2: of him, it might be time to move this guy
33:52
Speaker 2: to the pin again, doesn't seem like that's in the plan. Still,
33:56
Speaker 2: I'm like, he's not new to this, all right, and
34:00
Speaker 2: thing has quite worked. I think his time in the
34:04
Speaker 2: organization could be coming to an end. And like I said,
34:06
Speaker 2: it's it's it's almost just sad that a guy that talent.
34:09
Speaker 2: It happens in baseball all the time, but this is
34:12
Speaker 2: a really talented guy and it's just never clicked. And
34:16
Speaker 2: and now it's it's getting ugly.
34:19
Speaker 1: Tough sport. Tough sport. Uh, tough sport. That's That's what
34:24
Speaker 1: I'll say about that.
34:25
Speaker 2: All right.
34:26
Speaker 1: Some some hitter stuff here, Cody. We you mentioned j
34:30
Speaker 1: Henn a little bit. The guy continues to hit. I uh,
34:34
Speaker 1: you know what I talked about earlier, about simple allocation
34:37
Speaker 1: of resources. I've said it before. It's just hard for
34:40
Speaker 1: me to envision Jay hen not being like a valuable beat,
34:45
Speaker 1: not just on the roster, but a valuable bet. Again,
34:47
Speaker 1: the defensive versatility. We are we feeling pretty safe there.
34:51
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, let's let's look at the A J.
34:53
Speaker 2: Hinch quote from Tuesday something to the effective. I've been
34:56
Speaker 2: impressed with his consistency at the plate. I think we
34:59
Speaker 2: all feel like every time he comes up, he's going
35:00
Speaker 2: to give you a good at bat. Does that sound
35:03
Speaker 2: like someone a J. Hinch wants to the roster Here
35:06
Speaker 2: that he checks a lot of criteria for a team
35:10
Speaker 2: that needs bats, right handed bats especially. Jaen's had a
35:13
Speaker 2: great camp. Hasn't necessarily been flashy, but it's been incredibly steady.
35:18
Speaker 2: He gives you a good at bat every time out.
35:20
Speaker 2: We know there's some defensive limitations, but man, I think
35:25
Speaker 2: he's earned a spot again. I now think there's room
35:28
Speaker 2: for both him and to work on the roster. If
35:30
Speaker 2: I had to pick one of them, I'm still thinking Jahn.
35:33
Speaker 2: But you're going into the regular season feeling optimistic about
35:36
Speaker 2: both of those guys. There's still a little bit duplicates.
35:40
Speaker 2: I'll be interested see how that plays out. But I
35:43
Speaker 2: think jayhens Stocks is on the rise. I've said that before.
35:47
Speaker 2: I'm really interested to see what he could do for
35:49
Speaker 2: the Tigers this year.
35:51
Speaker 1: So how many spots are are in your mind? Like
35:54
Speaker 1: available then position players?
35:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we're at zero. Yeah, my guy Jamia Jones,
36:01
Speaker 2: I think the Torque moved outfield might push him off.
36:04
Speaker 2: He's the one guy had a great camp deserves it
36:07
Speaker 2: in a way, but he's not on the forty man
36:10
Speaker 2: so that would require a forty man move. Another thing
36:13
Speaker 2: to think about if Meadows are veerling, if one of
36:16
Speaker 2: those guys is back in two weeks, you can't option Jones,
36:20
Speaker 2: he's out of options. You'd have to dfam and then
36:23
Speaker 2: risk losing him. That's a weird conversation because in a way,
36:25
Speaker 2: you get a guy like that just for this situation
36:28
Speaker 2: where you have two outfielders injured, but unless you know
36:31
Speaker 2: one of those is going to be a longer term thing,
36:33
Speaker 2: I'm not sure you want to call him up for
36:36
Speaker 2: you know, ten days, two weeks and then risk losing them.
36:40
Speaker 2: And also the performance of Torklsen and Jayhen has kind
36:44
Speaker 2: of made that a harder decision. Kreidler's still in the mix.
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Speaker 2: They haven't sent him down. The defensive versatility is a
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Speaker 2: big reason for that. But he's again not hit. I
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Speaker 2: don't I think he's just there kind of break glass
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Speaker 2: in case of emerging and see I could be wrong,
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Speaker 2: but I think it's it's Jahn. I think Sweeney is
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Speaker 2: on the roster with especially with Chase being off the roster,
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Speaker 2: I feel pretty good in the thirteen position players I
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Speaker 2: have on my roster projection.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I mean these guys.
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Speaker 2: They could still claim someone. They could certainly still go
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Speaker 2: get someone else.
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Speaker 1: And yeah, we've obviously gone long here, and that's okay,
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Speaker 1: a lot of fun discussions, but it just they're still
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Speaker 1: very vague on the time tables with with Parker and
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Speaker 1: beer Lane. But we can they're not throwing, so it's
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Speaker 1: safe to say that not necessarily that close, I think
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Speaker 1: is a good way to put it, hopefully, you know,
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Speaker 1: the rehab progressions and daily activities or whatever. You know.
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Speaker 2: I did see Parker Meadows running. His right arm was moving.
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Speaker 2: It's it's still attached to his body and it is moving.
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Speaker 2: So for whatever that is worth.
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Speaker 1: We'll see. And then once once they actually do start,
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Speaker 1: like you know, doing actual baseball activities, what kind of
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Speaker 1: ramp up here, it'll be very curious to see how
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Speaker 1: the Tigers handle both those situations. And of course it'll
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Speaker 1: just depend on when they when they get healthy. So
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Speaker 1: all right, Cody and anything else before we get out
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Speaker 1: of here.
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Speaker 2: No, we covered a lot. We got some media podcasts
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Speaker 2: these days, which means the regular season is about to
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Speaker 2: speak here.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, went by and flash went by in a flash.
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Speaker 2: All right.
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