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Diante Lee on Eagles' ongoing issues, Jaguars' Travis Hunter Mistake, Lions vs. Baker Mayfield | 10.17 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: As I can.
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  Speaker 3: I do full head plus hairline.
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  Speaker 2: A haircut costs... 60.
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  Speaker 3: 60. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I really don't understand how it don't look like the
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  Speaker 1: 95 Bulls outside. The 99 Pacers.
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  Speaker 2: I don't really get that.
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  Speaker 3: Due to knowledge. That's what I.
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  Speaker 1: Was about to say. That's what I was about to say.
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  Speaker 1: We all out here. Fredro changed the world. And for
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  Speaker 1: those who have not seen that clip, that is the
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  Speaker 1: funniest thing in the world. When Fredro Starr swears up
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  Speaker 1: and down that Michael Jordan shaved his head.
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  Speaker 2: Because of Onyx. Because of Onyx. Yo, crazy things have happened.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to pull this up on my phone and
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  Speaker 1: play the audio here. I don't know if you have
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  Speaker 1: seen this, but you do some high school football coaching.
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  Speaker 1: So I want to ask you about this because I
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  Speaker 1: talked about it a little last week. But good for
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  Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals for playing a pretty good game last week.
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  Speaker 1: But at the same time, I took the fact that
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  Speaker 1: he got fined $ 100, 000 as a sign that I don't
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  Speaker 1: know how long this thing is going to hold up.
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  Speaker 2: That they've got going there. Like, what did you think.
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  Speaker 1: As coach of seeing, once we realized that he has
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  Speaker 1: put his hands on that grown man in that way?
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  Speaker 3: I think that, like everybody, the first thought is like, damn,
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  Speaker 3: 100 racks is a lot. That's a lot for a
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  Speaker 3: coach's fine, for what seemed to just be a guy
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  Speaker 3: being very heated in the moment. But then the moment
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  Speaker 3: I got out of that and I started thinking, what
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  Speaker 3: is he like in the building? That when that happened,
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  Speaker 3: his GM... or his assistants, or the owner, looked and said,
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  Speaker 3: all right, we have now crossed the threshold. Homeboy has
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  Speaker 3: been pushing this line maybe a little bit too far,
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  Speaker 3: and we have crossed it, and now we've got to
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  Speaker 3: start dialing this thing back. So I'm with you. I'm
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  Speaker 3: with you on that. I don't know how much longer
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  Speaker 3: we got on this.
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  Speaker 2: Would you like an idea, apparently, of what kind of
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  Speaker 2: guy he is?
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  Speaker 1: This is audio from his press availability this week, and
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  Speaker 1: I was not aware that Jonathan Gannon had been an
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  Speaker 1: assistant coach on the 2007 season.
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  Speaker 2: Atlanta Falcons.
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  Speaker 1: And this is how I found out he had been.
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  Speaker 1: 2007 when our quarterback went to jail. 2007.
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  Speaker 2: When the quarterback went to jail.
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  Speaker 3: There's nothing better than somebody being at a press conference
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  Speaker 3: and giving an answer that makes everybody in the press
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  Speaker 3: just sit with what they just heard. That silence was palpable.
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  Speaker 1: So here's the thing about it, and this is what
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  Speaker 1: tells me what it's like to be around him, or
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  Speaker 1: at least what it's like to be around him that day, right?
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  Speaker 1: There are many ways to have given that exact same answer. Like, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, when I first got to the NFL, we
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  Speaker 1: wound up in a situation with the Falcons where we
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  Speaker 1: had the Michael Vick situation, which obviously was a tragedy. But,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you realize at that moment, hey, sometimes you're
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  Speaker 1: not going to have guys. Sometimes things just aren't going to.
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  Speaker 2: Go the way.
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  Speaker 1: He could have very easily said that. That's... That's what
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  Speaker 1: he said, but it ain't how he said it.
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  Speaker 3: You could have just said early in my coaching career. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Been through adversity as a coach. Had things happen that
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  Speaker 3: were out of my control. You don't have to call
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  Speaker 3: back to that specific memory in that way.
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  Speaker 2: He did have to call back because that was the
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  Speaker 2: exact moment.
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  Speaker 1: He knew exactly when he realized he had to stop
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  Speaker 1: doing that. When he got a call that the whole
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  Speaker 1: reason that he took the job was going to jail. Right.
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  Speaker 3: And I can only imagine because he got to start
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  Speaker 3: with Petrino at Louisville. I can only imagine what those
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  Speaker 3: conversations were like.
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  Speaker 2: Like, hey, man.
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  Speaker 3: I want to build a life some way or, you know,
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  Speaker 3: he might have had a significant other at this time.
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  Speaker 3: I got to go home and tell my wife or
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  Speaker 3: my girlfriend that the whole reason why I'm getting paid
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  Speaker 3: is about to be behind bars.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you've made the fraught decision to hitch your
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  Speaker 1: wagon to a man as untrustworthy as Bobby Petrito.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, to begin with.
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  Speaker 2: Then this happens. Oh, my goodness.
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  Speaker 3: But all right.
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  Speaker 1: We got us a week of NFL football that, you know.
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  Speaker 2: We're in our bi-week era, right? This is where we are.
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  Speaker 1: I feel in a lot of ways like it's hard
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  Speaker 1: not to do a lot of rewind on this season
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  Speaker 1: because we don't have great teams. But I do think
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  Speaker 1: we have interesting teams. And I want to stop talking
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  Speaker 1: about the Eagles. I really, really do. But it never
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  Speaker 1: stops being totally fascinating what's going on here. So now
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  Speaker 1: they've got this game here against Minnesota and.
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  Speaker 2: If they go to four.
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  Speaker 3: And three, you cannot lose this football game.
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  Speaker 2: Even on the road?
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  Speaker 3: You cannot lose this football game because it don't seem
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  Speaker 3: like J.J. McCarthy is going to play. I know he's
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  Speaker 3: been limited in practice. So you're looking at Carson Wentz,
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  Speaker 3: a guy that you quickly jettisoned out the door when
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  Speaker 3: it was time. And you've got your quarterback who's struggling
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  Speaker 3: in your offense that's struggling. You cannot afford to lose
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  Speaker 3: this football game. We haven't even gotten to the fact
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  Speaker 3: that every time I hear the wide receiver come to
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  Speaker 3: the press conference, it sounds like he's talking with clenched
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  Speaker 3: fists and gritted teeth.
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  Speaker 2: That's just one of them.
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  Speaker 3: That's just one of them. That's the one who's willing
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  Speaker 3: to say it publicly. The other one is a little
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  Speaker 3: bit better at finessing his way through. He's got the
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  Speaker 3: Nick Saban media training, so he knows how to kind
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  Speaker 3: of talk around his situations in Devontae Smith. And then
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  Speaker 3: I'm looking at the head coach and the offensive coordinator,
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  Speaker 3: and I know that you've said this multiple times. I'm
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  Speaker 3: looking like, hey, man, what do you do here?
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  Speaker 2: What do you do?
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  Speaker 3: If this is what you're dealing with, why is this
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  Speaker 3: problem not fixed? You don't call plays. You're not one
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  Speaker 3: of these Shanahan guys. You're not a coach GM type.
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  Speaker 3: We know who runs the roster here. The owner is
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  Speaker 3: the one who was given all the directives. Your job
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  Speaker 3: specifically is to make sure there are smiles on the
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  Speaker 3: faces of the 53 guys in the locker room.
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  Speaker 2: You say he's supposed to bring the oranges.
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  Speaker 3: You the vibes guy. You're supposed to be the vibes guy.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what he was sold as in the first place.
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  Speaker 3: When he got hired, he was wearing the graphic tees
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  Speaker 3: with Rocky and the Sixers and all this stuff, and
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  Speaker 3: everybody was feeling great. And now all we've got are
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  Speaker 3: shaved heads when things go sideways and a bunch of
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  Speaker 3: sucking your teeth and rolling eyes and not wanting to
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  Speaker 3: admit to the fact that you might have made a
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  Speaker 3: mistake by hiring your buddy to call this offense.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's also think about this, right? There there's so
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  Speaker 1: many ways to view what is going on with this team. And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, one of them is obviously I think it's
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  Speaker 1: interesting with Jalen Hurts where Jalen Hurts gives you a
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  Speaker 1: turbo booster if everything else is going right. And then
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  Speaker 1: if not everything else is going right, there's a chance
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  Speaker 1: that he becomes what is not going right. I think
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  Speaker 1: something that is very interesting that happens to us with
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  Speaker 1: football teams is we act like. we've never watched football before.
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  Speaker 1: And that there isn't a measure of variance from year
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  Speaker 1: to year. So remember when the Bucks won that Super
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  Speaker 1: Bowl in the COVID year, and then we kept talking
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  Speaker 1: about it like a college.
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  Speaker 2: Team, they're bringing back 22 starters. Are you sure that
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  Speaker 2: you want to have all 22 back? Right? Like, is
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  Speaker 2: that what it is?
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  Speaker 1: The changes you do and the changes you don't make
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  Speaker 1: are so much more important. But when the coach is
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  Speaker 1: the vibes guy, And the quarterback, clearly, who is a
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  Speaker 1: coach's son, is looking at the vibes guy like, hey, man,
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  Speaker 1: this ain't no real coaching. Like, say what you want
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  Speaker 1: about Jalen Hurts. We always say we love the coach's son,
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  Speaker 1: but the coach's son is a tough audience.
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  Speaker 2: Tough, tough audience.
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  Speaker 1: It's like being the quarterback's son. Being Peyton Manning's coach
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  Speaker 1: was not an easy job.
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  Speaker 2: That's a really tough audience.
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  Speaker 3: This is also another guy who comes from the Nick
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  Speaker 3: Saban school and he doesn't seem to be the guy
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  Speaker 3: that I'm just here to work hard and go home.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously that's a part of his thing. He also seems
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  Speaker 3: like the Nick Saban guy in the sense that if
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  Speaker 3: something's wrong, you're going to know. Yes. And when he
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  Speaker 3: shows up, at these press conferences, it always sounds like,
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  Speaker 3: oh yeah, we talked and we seem to come to
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  Speaker 3: an understanding. And I always hear that as Jalen Hurts
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  Speaker 3: is going into office saying, this is what I want
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  Speaker 3: to do. Can we make that happen? And less like
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  Speaker 3: Kevin Petullo saying, this is the game plan for the week.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that even with that, that's causing other
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  Speaker 3: layers of issues as well, because now your wide receivers
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  Speaker 3: feel like they're not getting enough opportunities. And, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I know I'm not the only person to make this comparison,
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  Speaker 3: but I look at Jalen and I think of him
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  Speaker 3: as Russell Wilson in a lot of ways, right? He
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  Speaker 3: might not be as weird or quirky at this stage
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  Speaker 3: in his career, but it's very much whatever is happening
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  Speaker 3: on the field is a direct result of what he
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  Speaker 3: wants as a quarterback. And I don't know right now
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  Speaker 3: if that's what's serving the best interest of this team.
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  Speaker 1: The other thing about this team is, for reasons good
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  Speaker 1: and bad, it's just always a new coordinator. They fire coordinators.
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  Speaker 1: They've had coordinators go on to get better jobs. Like,
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  Speaker 1: nothing is ever the same with this team. The Sirianni
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  Speaker 1: era has been a rollercoaster, unlike any rollercoaster I believe
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  Speaker 1: that I have ever seen.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I've never seen a team this good have this many problems,
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  Speaker 3: this many headaches on a year-to-year basis. And I think that,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if you heard Lane Johnson after the
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  Speaker 3: Thursday night game, speaking with Josina Anderson, and he sounds, A,
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  Speaker 3: like a guy who's very tired, right? And very annoyed
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  Speaker 3: when things go wrong, for one. But past that, he
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  Speaker 3: is another guy who's willing to say, we're too predictable.
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  Speaker 3: I need my head coach to kind of take the
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  Speaker 3: reins of this because he should know what it takes
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  Speaker 3: to win. He should know how to develop an offensive
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  Speaker 3: coordinator because these guys have shuffled in and out. And
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  Speaker 3: where we need to go to get back to what
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  Speaker 3: it was in 2022, 2023, in the back half of 2024,
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  Speaker 3: when this offense was moving the ball and the fact
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  Speaker 3: that it's not and guys seem to be a little
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  Speaker 3: angsty and people are banged up. I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: you guys have noticed that they can't really run the
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  Speaker 3: ball no more. I don't think the Saquon Barkley stopped
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  Speaker 3: being fast. I think that The big guys up front
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  Speaker 3: have 550 snaps of running the ball and touch pushes
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  Speaker 3: on their body, and they look like it a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: And if he's not there and that line's not there
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  Speaker 3: the way it needs to be, we are running out
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  Speaker 3: of options for this offense to be as good as
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  Speaker 3: it should be.
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  Speaker 2: Hold on.
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  Speaker 1: What if two things are true at once? Because I
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  Speaker 1: did think that Mekhi Becton at right guard is a
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  Speaker 1: cheat code for run blocking.
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  Speaker 3: 100%. Right?
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  Speaker 2: And they don't have that anymore.
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  Speaker 1: But also— Saquon Barkley is not young for a running back.
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  Speaker 1: And that was a lot of yards and a lot
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  Speaker 1: of touches last year. Like this is again, we act
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  Speaker 1: like we've never watched football before, right? These, these things
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  Speaker 1: happen from time to time. So he might be fast,
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  Speaker 1: but the margins are thin.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like, like what it takes to.
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  Speaker 1: Be that guy. Like, I feel like a 2000 yard season.
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  Speaker 1: One of my buddies told me about making music that
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  Speaker 1: the DOC.
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  Speaker 2: Once told him.
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  Speaker 1: That to make a classic album, three people have to
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  Speaker 1: be operating at top of their game, like at a
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  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame level to do a classic album.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like a 2,000-yard.
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  Speaker 1: Rushing season involves a similar level of everything coming up Milhouse, right?
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  Speaker 3: For sure.
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  Speaker 2: And a couple of those things are off.
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  Speaker 1: But I just realized the thing I wanted to talk
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  Speaker 1: to you about that's a bit broader that I think
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  Speaker 1: is interesting. Ryan and I had been looking at this,
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  Speaker 1: and I am blindsiding you with this to a degree.
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  Speaker 1: But did you see the thing that ESPN did where
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  Speaker 1: they were just basically looking at how all these number
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  Speaker 1: one picks at quarterback, the next year their head coaches
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  Speaker 1: have all been fired?
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  Speaker 3: I think I've seen a tweet about it. I have
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  Speaker 3: seen a tweet about that. And I know that this
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  Speaker 3: has been a conversation that you've had on this show
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  Speaker 3: a bunch about needing to be a little bit more
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  Speaker 3: mindful that these guys don't leave college ready to lead
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  Speaker 3: a franchise that was bad the year before they got there.
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  Speaker 3: And that these teams, for whatever reason, bring these head
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  Speaker 3: coaches on from one year to the next knowing that
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  Speaker 3: they don't have the juice and hoping that a rookie
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  Speaker 3: quarterback is going to save everybody's job. And when it
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  Speaker 3: doesn't go right, now we are starting all over. And,
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  Speaker 3: you know, Tennessee obviously being the most recent example, but
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  Speaker 3: we have seen this over the last decade really of
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  Speaker 3: teams hiring quarter, or excuse me, drafting quarterbacks with dead,
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  Speaker 3: you know, kind of lame duck head coaches and expecting
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  Speaker 3: everything to work out and then being shocked when it
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  Speaker 3: does not.
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  Speaker 1: So I had an interesting thought when I saw this.
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  Speaker 1: So for example, Jameis Winston said, They fired the head coach.
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  Speaker 2: The year after that.
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  Speaker 1: Jarrett Goff, they fired the head coach the year after that.
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  Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield, I believe they fired the head coach the
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  Speaker 1: same year. Kyler Murray, they hired the coach specifically for him.
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  Speaker 2: Put a pin in that thought. Trevor Lawrence, they fired
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  Speaker 2: his guy. Joe Burrow... No, they've kept his guy for
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  Speaker 2: better or worse. For better or worse, they have kept
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  Speaker 2: his guy.
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  Speaker 1: Ken Ward, they just fired his guy. Who was the
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  Speaker 1: number one pick last year? Because I feel like they
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  Speaker 1: fired his guy.
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  Speaker 3: Caleb Williams.
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  Speaker 2: Caleb Williams. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They fired his guy quick.
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  Speaker 1: And then the year before that was Bryce Young, and
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  Speaker 1: they fired his guy quick. My thought is this. If
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  Speaker 1: you're going to get the rookie quarterback position, you probably
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  Speaker 1: should go ahead and fire your coach now. And the
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  Speaker 1: reason you should probably fire your coach now is you're
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  Speaker 1: probably going to fire your coach because you're probably bad
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  Speaker 1: enough that you're already behind the eight ball and that
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  Speaker 1: rookie is not going to save you.
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  Speaker 2: And they're going to be like, oh, we got it.
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  Speaker 2: Once the ball gets rolling on firing you, then that
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  Speaker 2: ball just kind of doesn't stop. Because I actually go
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  Speaker 2: through that list and.
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  Speaker 1: I realize, oh, this is what happens when we don't
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  Speaker 1: offer context. Case in point, they fired Jameis' head coach
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  Speaker 1: in the name of continuity because it's so crazy to
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  Speaker 1: look back on. They were afraid that somebody was going
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  Speaker 1: to hire Dirk Cutter and they had to have him
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  Speaker 1: with Jameis. And so they kept Dirk Cutter and then...
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  Speaker 1: fired him a couple years shortly thereafter right yeah jerry
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  Speaker 1: goff yes they fired his coach the first year but
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  Speaker 1: his coach was oh boy it was fitty fitty jeff
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  Speaker 1: fisher and who did they bring in to replace him
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  Speaker 1: the best thing that could have ever happened to jerry
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  Speaker 1: goff they brought in sean mcveigh that worked out okay
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  Speaker 1: they fired hugh jackson on baker mayfield and then brought in,
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  Speaker 1: I guess, was Stefanski got the job.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I forgot. I forgot that even.
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  Speaker 3: And that was a Baker call.
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  Speaker 2: It was a Baker call.
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: That was a Baker call.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: It was a Baker call.
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence, they made literally one of the worst head
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: coaching hires of all time. With Bryce Young, they thought
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: they were hiring a quarterback guy and.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: Then immediately were like, hey, this is a horrible idea.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: Which, by the way, most people who watch that team
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: thought that the Frank Reich thing was not going to happen.
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: Cato Williams, they should have fired Ivo Flusch. before the season.
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: Like people get a little bit too sentimental about firing people.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: Sometimes you just got to do it.
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: When you know, you know. Right. When you know, you know.
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: And this most recent example with Cam Ward, I felt
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: like we knew this before we got to Halloween last year.
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: That Brian Callahan was not cut out for the gig.
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: Like when you're screaming at your second round quarterback that
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: everybody seemed to agree should not be a starter, but
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: you had to start because Ryan Tannehill was banged up.
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: And you're screaming on him for making all the same
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: mistakes that he was making at Kentucky. I think people
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: were looking around then like, hey, boss, if you can't
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: develop his way out of these problems and you're not
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: willing to accept it and this is burning you up emotionally,
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: this don't seem like a guy that's got the kind
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: of constitution to be able to handle losing in the
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: way that you're probably going to lose being the Tennessee
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: Titans at that point in time. The same was the
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: same was true of Iberflues, man, like. It didn't seem
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: like you ever had two hands on the wheel. You
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: knew before that season was over that he had to go.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: I don't get the thinking there.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: The truth is this. If it's not your guy, fire him.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: If it comes to where you're at some other inflection
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: point of what it is that you're doing, if this
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: is not your guy, if you're not like, no, I
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: believe in him. If you're saying to yourself, we'll see.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: And you're trying to turn over the quarterback.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, no.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: You need to go ahead and do all those things
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: all at one time. But we were bad enough to
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: get the number one overall pick and we're going to
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: keep the coach.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: There's a world for you to do that.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Like, I don't think that that's an indefensible decision, but
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: you need to be invested in that guy.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: The problem is if the rest.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Of the team, if he, if that dude loses team,
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: then you wind up having to fire him.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Like, I'm not saying these are easy decisions.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: But still, I think that the other problem too is
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: that ownership gets a little, maybe gets a little hesitant
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: about if we fire the coach, what does that say
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: about my GM?
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: And I think that the truth is you should probably
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: be cleaning house anyways, right? This chain of events probably
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: doesn't have to stop at head coach. If your roster
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: is bad enough to get the first overall pick and
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: you know you're going to get a quarterback, you are
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: now transitioning into a different phase of roster building, right?
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: Everybody knows that A rookie scale quarterback is the most
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: valuable asset that you can have in roster building. And
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: why would you entrust that to a coach that couldn't
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: win beforehand and a GM that couldn't build a roster
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: good enough to keep you away from having a number
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: one or a top three overall pick? in the NFL draft.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: I think that it would make more sense for some
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: of these owners to just cut bait when you know
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: you're bad. When you're bad, the rot usually doesn't stop
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: at the roster. It typically goes all the way up
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: through the front office as well. And I think that
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: we would probably see less of quarterbacks basically wasting their
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: rookie years because they're stuck with GMs that don't know
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: how to build rosters. Trevor Lawrence, I think, has definitely
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: been a victim of that, having to suffer through the
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: Trent Baalke years longer than just dealing with Urban Meyer.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: I think that Caleb Williams is probably going to be
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: struggling with that, with Ryan Poles, who continues to find
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: his way to getting extensions and additional time to build
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: a roster in spite of not having any returns on
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: the players that he's bringing in, basically. And I think
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: that Tennessee is going to be dealing with that because
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: Amy Adams Strunk has shown a reactivity to being embarrassed
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: that you usually don't see from the kind of owners
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: that build up winning franchises. And sometimes you just got
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: to bring in different leadership, people who can let owners
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: know that they can build something in a different vision
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: around a rookie quarterback. And I think the fear to
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: do so is why we're losing early development on so
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: many of these players.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Now, I will also make this point.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Obviously, there's a giant outlier in Titans slash Oilers history,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: which is the tenure of Jeff Fisher.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: But let me tell you who loved a knee jerk firing.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Amy Strunk's daddy, Bud.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: But Adams made some moves and let some people go
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: and coached teams pretty well, but also was inclined to
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: similar moves.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: But it becomes an interesting conversation.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: I think, for example, the Lions in the first year
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: under Campbell started 0-10-1. Say that that is a two-win
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: team or whatever. I believe that Sheila Hamp would have
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: looked at the world and said, I believe in our
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: head coach and we're going to do this.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Because they believed in the head coach. That's what you
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: got to do.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: The problem Aaron Glenn is having right now with the Jets,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: because they look bad. I don't think anybody can stand
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: up and say that they believe in him right now.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: And so if something happens and they wind up getting
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: the first pick, you're inclined to keep Aaron Glenn because
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: it was just the first year, right? You're inclined to
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: go ahead and do that. but you're gonna need to
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: fire him in all likelihood.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: Eventually.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Because you don't believe in him.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: And it's the, if you're gonna do it eventually, you
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: might as well do it immediately, right? Like, I think
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: that that becomes, you know, kind of the case, but
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: we have such unrealistic expectations. of how easy it is
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: or is not to hire a coach, hire a GM,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: bring in a quarterback. What we're learning, I feel like,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: is that the growth arc of these quarterbacks is so
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: much longer than people give it credit for being. But
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: the jobs that people have, the timetables that they have
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: to operate on in the name of success does not
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: go for that. So with Baker Mayfield, for example, I'm like, oh,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: the Browns were out on Baker Mayfield.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield, as he was, was going to get everybody fired.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: They didn't have the, hey man, just give me three
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: more years and I'm telling you, he might be a
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: candidate for the MVP.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: That's not on the board.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Sam Darnold, he bounced to all these places for the
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: same reasons, right? Those guys' job timelines, people don't have,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: and it's because.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Our expectations are so crazy.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: I think about living in New York, they tell you,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: you're going to need to live in like three apartments
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: before you find yours.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: That's just how it works, right?
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Like you got to get an apartment because you need
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: somewhere to live. You don't have time to get all
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: the way to the bottom of it and figure out
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: everything you need and everything that's important. You figure that
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: shit out once you in there and you find it
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: all out.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: The hard way, right?
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Like this is how it works. You get your third
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: place and you're like, oh, okay. Now I understand that
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: this is what I want. When I was hosting a
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: late night show for HBO, important job is head writer
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: and people don't understand the head writer is the manager
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: of the writing staff that is to relay like what
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: you want to them but they're kind of a black
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: box it goes in between them but it's a process
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: and they're like hey man It probably takes a couple
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: of three before you find the right one. I had
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: two that were very talented, not necessarily the one, but
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: you don't have time to go back to the network
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: and be like, hey, man, if you give me two
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: more choices on a head writer, I promise you this
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: thing is going to stink and skyrocket.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: And the people I work with did great jobs. You
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? But it's like, is it exactly
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: what you need?
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: But nobody has time for you to do what is
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: actually prudent and realistic.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: And I think that similar to playing quarterback, there is
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: a high bar to clear to be one of the
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: good guys. We're talking about coaching and GMs, but the
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: threshold to clear to just be a guy isn't that high.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: And if you only got a guy, then, yeah, you
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: probably need to your turnaround rate probably needs to be
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: a little bit higher. But we see in the NFL
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: and I think that with Detroit, one of the reasons
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: why it worked out is because Brad Holmes and Dan
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: Campbell were brought in in the same offseason. So anything
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: you were saying that was a vote of confidence for
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: one applied to the other. And I think that Detroit
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: knew we were going to ride this out with both
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: of these guys, no matter what. That's a much different
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: proposition than what's happening in Tennessee, for example, where Mike
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: Borgonzi is hired last season with the lame, with the
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: lame duck head coach and the president of football ops
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: was hired the season before that. And he's been there
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: through multiple guys getting fired and taking jobs beneath him
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: on the org chart. That's the kind, I think that,
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: It's more of those kind of incongruencies with how you're
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: hiring guys and how you're handling timelines with people that
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: ends up being reflected on the field. Because like you said,
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: all these guys' jobs are usually tied to how good
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: the quarterback is. And everybody wants to know in two years. Yep.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: You basically got two and a half years to show
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: us something.
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: And in a lot of cases, it turns into one
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: and a half if your head coach is already walking
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: in on the hot seat. So I think that... I
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: do think that it's tough. And like you said, not
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: everybody can be good at this job. But I think
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: that more often than not, we see guys in the
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: NFL that hold these positions and you look at what
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: you're seeing on the field and thinking, man, any old
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: coordinator can be promoted to this, this gig and put
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: out results just like this. It is difficult to find
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: the right guy, but just finding a guy is not
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: as hard to find. And usually the ones with just
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: a guy are the ones that are most liable to
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: end up picking high in the draft and needing to
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: be replaced.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, by the way, firing Brian Callahan, tremendous idea.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Just so we're clear.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Anybody say it, like, you're not doing Cam Ward a
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: disservice by firing Brian Callahan because you think he needs continuity, right?
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: That's like my brother once said about This cat we
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: knew who had a son, and I said that it
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: was good that he was around with that son. And
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: my brother said, we're going to call the man John.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure that having John for a daddy is
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: better than having no daddy at all.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: That's where Brian Callahan's situation was with Ken Ward. Like, no, no,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: don't beg your daddy to stay.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: That man walking out that man going to get that
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: pack of cigarettes is the best thing that's ever happened to.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: You yes let that man leave i mean jeff simmons
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: was kind of intimating as much after uh sunday talking
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: about yeah we came off a win and this was
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: as flat as we've ever been all season and again
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: that leads me back to the same place i was
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: at with nick sirianni where you got to look at
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: the head coach and say what do you do here
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: the offense ain't good The roster ain't good. The quarterback
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: don't look as good now as he did in college.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: And the guys don't seem to be enjoying being around
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: each other. Why are we paying you to be here?
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: Why are you here? That is the question all of
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: us have to answer every single day. Why are you here?
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Whether you like it or not, that is the bottom line.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Why are you here? And the second you're like, yeah.
• 26:44
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• 26:47
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  Speaker 2: All right, we're back on with Deontay Lee.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: This is one of those weeks where you could tell that, like,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: the TV networks, we know what the game of the
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: week has to be just because it's the Commandos and the.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: Cowboys, right?
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: That's what TV wants. But that time slot has also
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: given us the Colts and the Chargers. Where is your
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: belief level in both of these?
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: I'll start with the Colts because we didn't spend a
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: lot of time talking about it the last time I
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: was on. I think the more I watch, the more
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: I realize that me believing in this really doesn't have
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: anything to do with Daniel Jones, which is a tricky
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: proposition because that means that Daniel Jones at any time
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: can show up and take all this belief and put
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: it on the bottom of his shoe. But I do
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: think that, A, Jonathan Taylor is probably playing the best
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: out of anybody in his position right now. And Shane Steichen,
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: a guy who I wasn't sure had the juice– And
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: maybe this is a lot of this was Anthony Richardson related.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: Now he's got a quarterback that he can trust. And
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden they're just dicing defenses up. Play action,
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: deep passes, RPOs, getting Daniel Jones involved as a runner.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: All the things that they could not do with Richardson
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: as a starter all of a sudden aren't a problem anymore.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: So I think I am becoming a believer because the
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: coaching staff looks like they have a grip on what
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: they want to do. And the people who need to
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: protect Daniel Jones are doing so at a very high
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: level right now.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Just want to point out for people who don't know,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson was just trying to exercise, stay in shape,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: be ready for his chance.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: And somehow managed to break his face.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Listen i'm not by the way guys i'm not exaggerating
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: he was working out with them bands and he broke
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: his orbital boat he's having a really tough year guys
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: he's having a really really really tough.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: Year Look, I don't know if this is an experience
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: you share, but when I was in college, I've been
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: in a couple of classes where you're kind of teetering
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: on the edge and you start going to office hours
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: and you feel like you're doing everything you need to do.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: And then you look up one day and you're like,
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: oh shit, I had a paper that I needed to
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: turn in on Tuesday. And it is Monday afternoon. I
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: don't know if I'm going to get this in on time.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: And if I don't get this in, all this work
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: will be for naught. I feel like Anthony Richardson is
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: kind of transition into that can't get right kind of territory. Yeah.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: The other thing with the Colts is the Colts have
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: been beaten up on bums, generally speaking. I think that
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: we would all agree that they have, they have put
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: the hurt on a bunch of bums. When they play
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: decent teams, they beat the Broncos on paper and they
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: lost to the Rams, right?
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: Probably should have beaten the Rams.
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: Not for A.D. Mitchell.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, forgot about that. He's the, he's the OG. It's
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: their safe stack and they put his hands on him.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: He was.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Although the thing about A.D. Mitchell was that was why
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: you wouldn't in the first round.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: He's one of those like it's a wonder he don't
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: play for the Bengals.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: He's the sort of space case that the Bengals love
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: to have dudes like that on the team.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: He had George picking situations.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: Yes, he's one of those guys you ask a coach
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: off the record. They're like, oh man, we love him.
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: But he'd be tripping. He'd be tripping.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: But the Colts have.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: They're going to play the Chargers, but after that, the
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: schedule ramps up, but kind of ramps up.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: So they get to go play the Titans. That should
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: be a win. They get the Steelers.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: We're not exactly sure how good they are.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: We have.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to encourage y'all to believe in this,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: but the Atlanta Falcons keep looking good on national television.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Just throwing it out there.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: Then they get the Chiefs.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: They get the Texans, who might be a little better
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: than their record indicates. The Jaguars, who might not be
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: as good as their record indicates, but their record indicates
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: that they are good. The Seahawks, the 49ers, who, I mean,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: by then, they may be down to 30 people. Jaguars again,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: and then the Texans. Like, They're going to be tested,
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: I guess, is the moral of the story that I'm getting.
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: We'll know if they're a mediocre team beating up on
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: bad teams or if they're actually a good football team
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: pretty quickly, I think, down the stretch of this season.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is going to be something.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: And look, the thing about Daniel Jones, you're like, they
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: haven't really needed Daniel Jones. But what we learned from
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Sam Darnold last year is at some point you will.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: you will right and even that's still the thing with
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: even seattle this.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Year with donald where it's like okay i am.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Seeing him doing a good job of getting the ball
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: to wide open dudes at some point we're gonna need
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: a little bit more than that or the stakes are
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: going to be higher and we're going to need you
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: to just have a different constitution right will you be
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: able to do that.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: I mean i mean sam donald has proven that that's
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: just not really in his in his bag right like
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: And I think that if you're looking at the Seahawks
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: and comparing it to what we saw last year of Minnesota,
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: a lot of the same warning signs are there, right?
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: You are throwing to a lot of wide open guys.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: You don't really have a lot of support from the
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: run game. And right now, taking all these chances are
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: going great. The moment the defenses start adding a little
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: bit more pressure, like they did to Minnesota last year,
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: and they don't have to respect the run game on
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: early downs at all. Now you got Sam Darnold in
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: the gun on first and 10 in a game that
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: you got to win. You don't want to live there
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: if Sam Darnold's your quarterback. And I think the same
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: thing is going to be true of Daniel Jones eventually.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: You talk about the Texans who are great on defense.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: Kansas City, whose defense has taken a step back, but
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: they can game plan against a limited quarterback as well
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: as anybody in the league. And, you know, the Jaguars,
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: of course, turnovers at different points. You're going to get
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: one of these games where Indianapolis is behind the game script.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: They've got to score, you know, two or three times
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: in the second half to stay in the football game.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: And that's when you're not going to be able to
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: hand the ball off to Jonathan Taylor 15, 20 times
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: and expect him to carry this thing on his back.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: I mean, we've seen enough of Danny Jones to know
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: that's not where you want to live. I'm interested to see, though,
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: if he can do just enough to keep Indianapolis in
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: the playoff picture. And based off the way they've been
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: playing right now, I guess I'm a little bit more
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: inclined to give them some benefit of the doubt.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: All right. The NFL is doing a thing. I really
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: don't like it when they do this. which is giving
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: us a London night in the morning game worth watching.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: I guess it's a little different. You live over there
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: on the West. You got to be really, really a sicko.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, Rams and Jaguars, huh?
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Something there?
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: There is something there. I will tell you, as a
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: West Coast guy, I don't know if I have made
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: a single opening kickoff for one of these London games.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: I'm sure. Sorry to my bosses. Sorry to my buddies
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: who live on the East Coast and cover the NFL
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: and got to be up to watch this. This is
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: the YouTube invitational for me when the game is not
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: very interesting. But I do think we're going to learn
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: a lot about the Rams because this is another team
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: that has looked good and have a lot of pieces
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: that will lead you to believe that they're a good team.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: And sometimes I watch them and I'm like, man, it's
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: a whole lot, a whole lot of weight on the
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: back of a 37 year old who couldn't practice at
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: all in the offseason. I don't know how much longer
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: this thing is going to last.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Hey, look, man, it's the classic Stafford experience. When he
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: looks great, he looks great. But who wants an interception?
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: There's one right there.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: Waiting on you.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: It's coming. It's coming hard, though. You're going to need
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: to think fast. Look alive.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. Had them gloves nice and sticky. Go ahead
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: and spit on them.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Gloves before the play. You're going to hear that bitch coming.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Just spit it through the air. But he's looked good
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: this year. He's looked really good.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: The Jaguars....
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: How much attention have you paid to the Travis Hunter experiment?
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Because I feel like they've taken a once-a-generation talent and
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: made him into just another dude on the field by
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: trying to make him into a superhero.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: He's very normal. There are times where it's dynamic, and
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: I'm not blaming the fact that he looks normal on
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: Travis Hunter, because there are times where they get on
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: the ball on these glorified punt returns, these bubble screens,
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: these little checkdowns out in space, and he shakes a guy.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: And it looks like, you know, if you've ever been
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: to a youth football game where you just sit in
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: the stands, you're like, oh, OK, that's the kid. And
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: then y'all are everybody else. There are some times where
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: you can still make it look like that, but it's
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: not as often. And I think that when you're watching
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: all 22, there are some times where maybe the offense
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: is checking a play or signaling or trying to get
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: from one formation to the next. And it don't necessarily
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: look like Travis Hunter knows exactly where to be yet.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: And again, I can't blame that on him. You got
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: the man in two different meeting rooms throughout the week.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: It's a lot.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: All right. It's a lot.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: How does. How is this not such an obviously bad idea?
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: I just can't. I see people dream on it.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: How is this just not clearly not what you should do?
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Like, I'm going to throw this out here. You expect
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: me to believe that Bo Jackson couldn't play linebacker, perhaps
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: edge rusher. You know what I mean? Like, you know,
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: I'm sure there are other people who could have done
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: these things, but their coach. Oh, Derek Henry could have 100.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: Sacks right now. Yeah, but their coach.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Didn't do that to him. You know what I'm saying? Like,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: just let him pick one and let him be a
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: beast at that one.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: Yes. And I think that what we're seeing is that
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: he could be that at receiver. In my opinion, the
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: way he runs, the way he tracks the ball, how
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: he can feel, you know, feel for guys out in space.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: I'm like, why are we, why would we even mess
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: around with the DV thing? And this is me admitting
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: that I might've been wrong in my evaluation of this.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: Cause I thought that for sure, put them out at corner,
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: let them play corner a hundred percent of the time.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: The wide receiver stuff was nice in college, but I
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: don't know if that's who he can be at the
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: NFL level. I watched the way this guy moves. And
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: I'm like, maybe that guy does need to touch the
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: ball eight to 12 times a game. I just think
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: that it's hard to do that. If you're trying to
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: teach him how to be a slot, how to be
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: an outside receiver, and how to, you know, line up
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: at the line of scrimmage and play press technique on
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: number one wide receivers.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's clearly affecting his decision making because he
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: signed off on that terrible, terrible commercial that him and
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence did together.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: You seen that?
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: I haven't seen this.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: I'm amazed that you've avoided it. They run it all
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: the time. You ever seen Footloose?
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: I have seen Footloose.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: I have never seen Footloose. But it's a commercial with
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: the Denise Williams song. And they out here, it look like.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: They like dancing in TikTok videos, basically.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Like they got a part where they holding hands and
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: they do the thing where you go like that.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Y'all do the wave with your arm and you dance together.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: And it's let's hear it for the boy.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm trying to figure out who this
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: make want to play football.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Whose idea was this?
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: Their relationship already don't strike me like that's the way
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: that they give it up with one another either. Nobody's
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: buying it.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: I'm just going to tell you, you're going to look
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: at this commercial and we are so far away from
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: I am not a role model. Like, commercials when I
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: was a kid had a little bit more bite tool.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: That one right.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: There had me like, oh, and I ain't never seen,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: like I said, I ain't never seen Footloose. I said
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: it to a friend of mine and she tells me
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: how it's from Footloose. I'm like, is it even from Footloose?
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: I just thought it was a literal interpretation of the song.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: I had never seen Footloose.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: That's funny.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: And That's hilarious.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: So apparently them boys is, is that the one about
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: the town where people ain't allowed to dance?
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay. It's kind of like Baylor.
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: I think, I think Ryan made the same joke on
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: earlier very much.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Hey man i'm just saying when i was like say
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: baylor did not have his first school sponsored dance until
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: the year of our lord 1997 that just came up
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: on the show the other day i don't know why
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: and i'll bring it up every time i'll anytime anytime
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: they come up don't you worry i'll bring that up
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: but before we get you out of here i do
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: want to ask you this about these uh atlanta falcons
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: um I'm never going to encourage Falcons fans.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: To believe because I don't. I stopped.
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: I quit.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: They look aight.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: Aight is a dangerous proposition when you're talking about the Falcons.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: It is a dangerous proposition.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: The part that got Charles McDonald and me, though, was
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: that defense, which is just children and spare parts.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: At least when they're on national television, they be flyin'..
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: And there are some times where I'm like, it seems
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: like we're just flying to fly around and we end
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: up landing in the right spot a lot of times.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: And it's very different from the typical Raheem Morris defense,
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: which has been a lot of just kind of grab bag.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: We got a bunch of guys that are just doing
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: stuff out there. And sometimes we stop the run. And
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: a lot of times we don't. Sometimes we force turnovers.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: And a lot of times we don't. I do think
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: when I watch them, guys like Billy Bowman, you know,
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: you're seeing guys up front. Jalen Walker has been a
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: little bit better than I expected. Their pass rush for
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: the first time, I guess, since what John Abraham was
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: playing on the edge for the Falcons looks like it's viable.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: And that's a new development as well. And I think
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: that if you believe in the defense, you can believe
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: in the team. I'm just not there yet. I will say, though,
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: this is the perfect team for my own sensibilities because
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: every time they got the ball, all I'm saying is
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: where's number seven? Where's number seven? Zach Robinson, if this
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: play call is not for number seven, you're fired.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: Everything for number seven, please. And less for everybody else.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: In a different time, he is one of the five
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: most famous football players that there is. I say this
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: all the time here, but I don't believe that I
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: can say it enough.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know the last time they made. Adrian Peterson
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: is the last time they made one of.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: These in terms of similar talent.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: But he can do more than Peterson could.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Peterson is just, like, seven yards deep, pitch him the ball, go.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: I don't, you know, Derrick Henry, I guess, is the
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: other person that you could put in a, like, similar
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: category there.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: But I can do.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: All of this.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Bijan feels like a maybe more talented Marshall Falk. And
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Marshall Falk has an argument for being the best running
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: back I've ever seen.
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: I think of him similarly to LaDainian Thomason and Marshall Falk,
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: where it's like, there is nothing that these guys cannot do.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: And they make guys miss in ways. It's like, oh,
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: my God. Only you can do this, right? Like he
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: definitely fits in that paradigm. I do think if we
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: were in a little bit more of a run friendly NFL,
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: he's not just one of the most famous players. He
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: probably is the most marketable force right now in the
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: NFL because he does things that even guys like Saquon
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: don't do. Even guys like Jonathan Taylor can't do. I mean,
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: there are ways where he can catch the ball out
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: in the flat and it genuinely feels like nobody has
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: a chance to touch him more times than not. The
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: first guy to the ball is not the guy that
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: brings him down. I think that as this thing goes
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: on with him, he will be maybe the next. And
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: I feel like I say this every five years, the
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: last guy that has a chance to make the Hall
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: of Fame at this position.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: OK, so you do that, too. I do that same
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: thing or run it back. I didn't have all that.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Like we're counting down the moments. Right.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Like we may not get another one of these. I'd
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: say this to anybody that felt like Falcons overdrafted with Bijan.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: All you was doing was telling me you was a dork.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: Hater.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: Only a dork would have said that, and the rest
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: of y'all need to be glad because if the Falcons
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: had not taken him, what if he went down to
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: the next team that took a running back in the
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: first round that year? Because that means Bijan, as much
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: as you might like Jameer Gibbs, Bijan would be a
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: Detroit lying, in which case, first of all, Bijan would
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: be the quarterback.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Maybe they'd never throw the ball again.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah. You want to talk about some big brain Ben Johnson.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: That would have been the whole offense while he was here.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: Well, clearly the big brain is actually Dan Campbell because
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: they still do that stuff now.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: And it's like, oh, wow, Dan Campbell actually.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Does Dan Campbell have a streak that wants him to
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: prove to us how smart he is?
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: Because that would be bad.
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: I think there's a little bit of. not just the
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: meathead energy that we're getting from him. And I'm like,
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: hey man, ain't no shame in being a meathead. We
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: love you with this. This is your role.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: But you know what he is though? He's one of
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: these guys. Mike Ditka fits this category. Les Miles was
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: a guy like this in college. And that is offensive
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: guys who seem like defensive guys.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: Right? Like when you think about it, you're like, huh, really?
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Mike Ditka? Yeah, Mike Ditka.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, first tight end to go into the
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. He's an offensive guy. But, you know,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: they all hardscrabble and got dirt on their fingernails and shit.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: So they seem like that they are less, honestly, with
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: Les Miles. There's only one reason we think him as
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: the defensive guy is because we just don't think of
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: him as being particularly bright.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying he isn't. I'm just telling you the
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: way that we be treating him.
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: That's fair. I think that's fair. Right. Exactly. By choice.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: Just because.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: Compulsively.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: As an example to prove the point that I'm making here.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Not one of y'all looking at Ogeron like, oh, I
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: bet that man called plays.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's not.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: Not a half bad Cajun. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: You know, like that's not. He ain't the guy that's
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: doing that.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: But I mentioned the Lions because the Lions played a
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Bucs on Monday Night Football. And obviously, I think the
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Lions have given us a little bit more proof of
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: concept on the idea that they are for real. Tampa,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: I think it's been a little tricky in terms of
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: who they've played and the results that they put up. Except,
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: The fair point, obviously, they got sweepstakes winners out there
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: playing wide receiver and they're still getting it done. They're
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: a little beat up everywhere and they still managed to
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: get it done.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: I have been one of the few guys like in
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: this millennial sports media football circle that has been the
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: Baker Mayfield guy, so to speak. And it's less about
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: thinking that he's a great quarterback and more so what
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: we've gotten from him in Tampa Bay looks like a
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: good quarterback. For the most part, it's carried over as
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: coordinators have left. And I think that this year it's
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: been really tricky for me because this is about as
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: unsustainable a level of play as we've ever seen from Baker,
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: where he's scrambling, he's getting away from these sacks. It
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: seems like every time he puts the ball in harm's way,
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: it happens to be an incompletion instead of an interception.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: And that usually don't last very long. But he's playing
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: better than ever. And now people are talking about him
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: as an MVP. And now I got to be the
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: asshole that stands up and says, this is not an MVP, guys.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: We're not looking at the same thing. And I feel terrible.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: I feel like I'm abandoning my post when I'm needed most, man.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: But this is not an MVP that I'm watching right now.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: I hate feeling like that person. Where it's like, look,
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: I just want to ride the bobs like you. You
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: don't want to feel like the Russian judge, right? You
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: don't want to feel like the Webb Blanket. But people
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: always got to go too far.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: Feel like the damn hipster. Like, I like this thing
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: when nobody was in on this thing. And now when
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: everybody's in on this thing, I'm leaving.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: I'm like one of those backpack hip hop fans, you know?
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: Like, oh, you listen to Most Def? I guess I
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: can't like Most Def no more. You listen to Talib?
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: I guess I can't listen to Talib no more.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just like, oh, look who just showed up.
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: That is where... So many of the undergrounders did on
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: Eminem too.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Like before the Eminem thing happened, because I don't know
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: if you all know to remember when we all found
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: out like gradually and there was this mythical white dude
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: that was out here killing it.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: And so people got in on it early. Then it
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: got out of hand.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: It was like, yeah, you know, there are certain limitations
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: to his game.
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: Once you got to the Eminem show, I felt like
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: that was a great dividing line between These are the
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: fans that will have him going forward. And these are
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: all the fans who were here up to this point.
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: And y'all can have them from here.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: That is a great point.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: I want to say this also about Tampa because I
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: think that this gets lost. As much as we talk
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: about the redemption and the reclamation of Baker Mayfield from
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: being discarded and what we thought of him, Todd Bowles
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: is right there in the exact same boat and in
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: a way that is similar to Baker. And when I
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: say that, There was a reason that Cleveland moved on
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: from Baker, right? He wasn't doing this, and then they
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: were like, eh, no.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: Good, right?
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: Nope, he had a rise, he had fall, and people
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: typically don't think that you have a rise that comes
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: after that.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: That was the call they had made.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: I do not think that Todd Bowles was a good
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: head coach when he was with the Jets. They had
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: that 2015 Fitzmagic year, but I did not think he
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: did a good job as coach there.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: He just keeps winning the division here.
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: And he keeps hiring good coaches. Yeah. That's probably the
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: biggest trip to me is like usually a defensive guy
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: runs out of people to call to run his offense
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: after a certain amount. And it just seems like he
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: has just shuffled one guy in after another that has
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: gotten great results with their quarterback and with this offense.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: And I would say that this also extends to GM
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: Jason Light as well. Like I would remember when he
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: first got that job because he was there right when
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: Jameis got brought in as the number one draft pick.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: And that roster was awful. Outside of Mike Evans, there
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: was not a whole lot else going on. There were
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: a lot of misses. I think OJ Howard is a
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: tight end, you know, in the first round where they
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: really could have used some more help elsewhere. And then
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: he gets bailed out by Tom Brady. And I think
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: that the book on Jason Light before Tom Brady's retirement was, oh,
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: this is a guy that was kind of mediocre and
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: was just hanging around because the owner wanted him around.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: and then Tom Brady came and bailed him out and
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: now that we are post Tom Brady what we're seeing
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: is this has probably been one of the teams that
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: has had the fewest amount of roster weaknesses on a
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: year-to-year basis basically since they brought in Tom Brady and
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: I think that all these guys deserve a lot of
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: credit because they've hung around and been a regular playoff team,
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: albeit in the NFC South, where there hasn't been a
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: whole lot of competition post Drew Brees and post Cam
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: Newton and post Matt Ryan. But they've held this thing
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: down basically no matter who has been at the helm,
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: or excuse me, with Todd Bowles and Jason Lack at
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: the helm, because they've done a great job of hiring
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: guys and acquiring depth across this roster.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: I would also say 2020 Tom Brady was a little
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: closer to being Jalen Hurts than he was to being
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes. Like that roster was a quarterback away. And
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: they got the best, oh, you're a quarterback away, question mark,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: that you could possibly throw in under those circumstances.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: They had dudes, man.
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: I think that Super Bowl has kind of biased us
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: to how we think about exactly what that team was.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: Go watch that playoff run. Yeah.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: Well, remember when they had to stop going out routes?
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: When they had to stop letting Tom Brady throw out routes?
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: Because they was just like, gotcha pops.
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: I think I remember, maybe it was 2019. No, I
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: think it was 2020, where they played the Saints. And
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: the Saints defense was just all over these guys. I
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: was like, this is the team that people want me
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: to believe that just because Tom Brady is here, they're
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: going to go win a title. That's not what I see.
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: And then they get to the playoffs. And then that's where,
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: you know, similar to Jalen Hurts. It's like, all we
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: needed was a guy that wasn't going to give this
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: thing away.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: We just needed to get you to this point. Now
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: you go on, you go on ahead, run free.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: I assure you every day, Jalen, Jameis Winston was trying
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: to explain to people that it was this close.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: Been me.
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: I was right there. I was right there.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you, we talked about this before.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson is saying the exact same thing right now.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: About the Colts.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: Like I said, the last time we saw both of
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: those guys play in a season, there was no question
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: who I thought was better.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson. And not because Anthony Richardson was great.
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: You're never going to convince him he couldn't be doing this.
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: They sent Daniel Jones home. The Giants, a team that
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: has not had a quarterback since Eli Manning, sent Daniel
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: Jones home midseason. This was not supposed to play out
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: this way. And I'm Anthony Richardson. I'm really sitting here peeved.
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: So I'm like, yeah, all I needed was another year.
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: And then you can start telling yourself these lies of,
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: they didn't call those plays when I was quarterback. You know?
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: You say the Giants ain't had a quarterback. You say
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: the Giants ain't had a quarterback. My brother's favorite line
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: is that one right there.
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: Politics. That's politics. Management didn't believe in me. That's what
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: the problem was. Man, you know.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: You know how it is, right?
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: You know how the bosses can be.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: That's the invisible hand.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: For those of you who are not familiar with the
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: concept of the invisible hand, in economics, there's a book
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: called The Wealth of Nations that is like this foundational
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: economic book and the rationale behind the market, like letting
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: the market work itself out. is the invisible hand will
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: guide everything where it's supposed to go. My interpretation is,
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: by the way, the invisible hand is a slick way
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: of saying, fuck if I know. The invisible hand is
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: basically saying, God, God don't make no mistakes. That is
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: what the invisible hand of the market is as a principle, right?
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: That's what it is.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: Politics is like these seedy invisible hands. The invisible hand
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: of the underwear, man, you know, they just be doing
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: stuff Yes.
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: Absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence type
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: of mentality. You can't tell me that they're not trying
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: to sabotage me behind the scenes just because you ain't
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: heard it. Don't mean it can't be happening.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: And it's always the same person who is the victim
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: of politics in every place, which means one of two things.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: Either you're really not good at what you do or
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: you are a real jerk where everywhere you go, they're like.
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: Listen, I think we brought up Carson Wentz in that
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: respect the last time I was on. There is a
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: reason why some guys don't get to hang around as
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: backups for longer than a year or two.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: Jeff George is the all-timer. And whether right or wrong,
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: that's what they decided about Cam Newton.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: Now, I think Cam Newton also decided that about himself,
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: which I respect. He's like, I ain't just going to
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: be hanging around.
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: Not for no Mac Jones.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't believe it.
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: Respectfully.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: I'm just not going to be just.
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: I.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: Ain't just trying to be on a team.
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: What are you talking about?
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: Same thing with, like, Odell Beckham, right? Like, do I
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: believe that Odell Beckham can go play in the slot
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: for a lot of teams right now? Yeah, I do.
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: But if I'm Odell Beckham, hey, man, I'm me. Okay?
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: This is beneath my dignity, okay? I'm not saying I
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: got to be the star, but you have to treat
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: me a certain kind of way. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: Like, sorry.
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: Like, I.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: And y'all going to expect me to show up on time. Right.
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: That's the real problem.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: So the reason that the Broncos, I think it was
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: the Broncos, Jerry Rice's last training camp, they didn't keep
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: him on.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: They were like, oh, he could have been the fifth receiver,
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: but the fifth receiver does special teams.
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: I can't have Jerry.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: Rice out here.
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: I'm Jerry Rice. I ain't covering no kickoff.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: He ain't even got to say, I'm Jerry Rice. You
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: don't bring that to Jerry Rice. You're just like, hey, man.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: We just ain't even going to do that. Can't even
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: do that.
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: We only got to have that conversation. I ain't even
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: going to disrespect you with that.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: I ain't going to hold you, partner. I appreciate you. Exactly.
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: All love here.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: No beef. No shade.
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: No nothing.
• 54:50
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• 54:53
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• 54:55
  Speaker 3: Appreciate you having me.
• 54:57
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• 54:57
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• 54:58
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