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IFH 809: No Budget, All Hustle: The Filmmaking Grind of Staci Layne Wilson · Indie Film Hustle® - A Filmmaking Podcast

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  Speaker 2: today's episode with guest host Dave Bullis.
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  Speaker 3: On this week's edition of the podcast, I have a
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  Speaker 3: really cool guest and award winning filmmaker, TV hosts and
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  Speaker 3: Amazon number one best seller for her book So La,
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  Speaker 3: a Hollywood Memoir, We're going to talk about all the
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  Speaker 3: good stuff dead Central hosting shows of the BBC, How
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  Speaker 3: she got all these really cool gigs growing up in La,
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  Speaker 3: surrounded by celebrities, with two celebrity parents. All that and
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  Speaker 3: much much more, with guests Stacy Lane Wilson. You have
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  Speaker 3: a very interesting background and you have a very interesting
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  Speaker 3: sort of way you've got into the film industry. You
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  Speaker 3: were basically, you know, you were born into the end
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  Speaker 3: of this industry because you have you wrote a book
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  Speaker 3: so La, a Hollywood memoir, Uncensored Tales by the Rock
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  Speaker 3: Star and Pinnut Model, and you talk about obviously and
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  Speaker 3: like you say in your bio, you are a unicorn
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  Speaker 3: because not only were you born and raised in La,
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  Speaker 3: you're still in La. So so you know, being you know,
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  Speaker 3: being born in La, do you feel that you were
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  Speaker 3: just basically you had you felt compelled or maybe even
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  Speaker 3: sort of sort of like driven to go into the
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  Speaker 3: film industry, you.
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  Speaker 4: Know, not necessarily, and it didn't happen until fairly late
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  Speaker 4: in my life. But I feel like there is a
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  Speaker 4: lot to the argument of nature versus nurture. But I
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  Speaker 4: got on both counts, nature and nurture in the creative world.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm just a creative person and that's how my
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  Speaker 4: mind works. So I do feel I was predisposed to
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  Speaker 4: doing something in not necessarily the industry quote unquote, but
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  Speaker 4: just doing things that are more creative than technical fay
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  Speaker 4: or mathematical that's just not my thing. And my parents
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  Speaker 4: are both the same. So I feel like that I
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  Speaker 4: just inherited sort of that predisposition to be a storyteller.
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  Speaker 4: My dad is a storyteller through his music, my mother
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  Speaker 4: through her writing. So I feel like that's just why
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  Speaker 4: I am what I am.
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  Speaker 3: So, when you were sort of growing up, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and I imagine you know obviously growing up in that area,
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  Speaker 3: did you see like a lot did you go to
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  Speaker 3: school or maybe even know like famous people, Like did
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  Speaker 3: you go like hang around famous people or maybe were
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  Speaker 3: they coming by the house. The reason I bring that
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  Speaker 3: up Stacy's I actually had a guest on the show,
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  Speaker 3: and he actually, when he was younger, he celebrities were
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  Speaker 3: calling the house and they used to call him on
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  Speaker 3: the landline phone and he he would answer and he'd go,
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  Speaker 3: why is Moe from the Three Stooges calling me or
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  Speaker 3: calling my dad? I mean, you know why you know, So,
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  Speaker 3: did did you have anything like that?
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  Speaker 1: Well?
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  Speaker 4: Apparently I don't remember it because I was quite young,
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  Speaker 4: but my mother actually had an elicit affair with Bobby Kennedy,
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  Speaker 4: and so he would call and come over, and you know,
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  Speaker 4: apparently we had conversations, but I was only I was
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  Speaker 4: like two when he died, so I don't remember much
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  Speaker 4: about that. But apparently I could hold my own in
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  Speaker 4: a conversation with Bobby Kennedy. And then my mom was
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  Speaker 4: also friends with Alan Sherman, who was a singer songwriter,
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  Speaker 4: kind of the novelty comedic songs. He put out albums,
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  Speaker 4: you know, when that kind of thing was popular. One
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  Speaker 4: of his songs was Hello Abada, Hello Fata, you know,
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  Speaker 4: some kind of thing about the camp I don't know
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  Speaker 4: the whole thing, but so he and I were apparently friends,
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  Speaker 4: and I don't remember that either. But as I got
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  Speaker 4: a little bit older, I did talk to some of
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  Speaker 4: my dad's friends, Like I do remember that Glenn Campbell
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  Speaker 4: was his neighbor up the street in Sherman Oaks, California.
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  Speaker 4: So my father, being a musician, knew a lot of
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  Speaker 4: the really great singer songwriters of the era, so I
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  Speaker 4: remember talking to them to some degree. But when I
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  Speaker 4: was a little kid, I was really really interested in
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  Speaker 4: horses and horseback riding, so that was kind of horses
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  Speaker 4: were my best friends.
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  Speaker 3: Really, So so did you when when you were a
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  Speaker 3: little kid and when we were on horses, Did you
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  Speaker 3: actually want to like maybe go into the questionrine or
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  Speaker 3: maybe become like an actual like the something to do
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  Speaker 3: with horses more than anything else.
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  Speaker 4: I did to some degree, But then I looked at
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  Speaker 4: my bank account. I was like, oh, wait a minute,
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  Speaker 4: this isn't a good idea. But no, when I was
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  Speaker 4: a little kid, I was definitely really really into it.
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  Speaker 4: I showed horses, and in fact, one of my main
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  Speaker 4: competitors when I was showing ponies was Urve Villagez who
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  Speaker 4: was Tattoo on the Fantasy Island TV show. He had
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  Speaker 4: ponies being of diminutive stature. I suppose that's why. But
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  Speaker 4: so so I used to show and really was into
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  Speaker 4: training horses for a long time in my life. And
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  Speaker 4: I actually did start out with that sort of as
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  Speaker 4: a business goal, and I did it for quite a
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  Speaker 4: few years, but it just really is a drain on
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  Speaker 4: the old bank account. And as much as I love horses,
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  Speaker 4: I eventually had to say goodbye to them. And I
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  Speaker 4: still love horses, but I just don't own them anymore.
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  Speaker 4: But it was a really great sort of the juxtaposition
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  Speaker 4: for me as a young girl growing up in Los
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  Speaker 4: Angeles with my parents being who they are, that I
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  Speaker 4: was able to have that outdoor life and to really
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  Speaker 4: be brought down to earth, so to speak, working with horses,
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  Speaker 4: because they don't care who your parents are or who
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  Speaker 4: you are. They just care that you're going to treat
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  Speaker 4: them well and that you're going to, you know, be
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  Speaker 4: a good person. And that's really important when it comes
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  Speaker 4: to working with animals and training horses. And I feel
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  Speaker 4: like that has filtered out into my everyday life and
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  Speaker 4: talking to people and being in business and being a
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  Speaker 4: writer and all those things really gave me a great
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  Speaker 4: foundation as a kid.
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  Speaker 3: So when you mentioned they don't care who your parents are,
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  Speaker 3: did did any did you ever find out like when
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  Speaker 3: growing up or even when you're in your teenage years,
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  Speaker 3: you know, did anyone ever? You know, it's almost like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: could I ever you know, get to do something with
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  Speaker 3: your dad? Or hey can I ever get to do
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  Speaker 3: somebod who's your mom? Did you ever experience that growing.
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  Speaker 4: Up to a degree? I mean, my mom is not
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  Speaker 4: you know, you say, is famous, but she was a
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  Speaker 4: pin up model back in the day, and it was
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  Speaker 4: kind of funny, you know, when you're growing up and
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  Speaker 4: you're especially those awkward early teenage years where you really
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  Speaker 4: don't want to stand out or be different, so, you know,
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  Speaker 4: people looking at my mom's centerfolds or whatever. My friends,
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  Speaker 4: it was kind of funny and awkward, but it was
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  Speaker 4: also cool. And as far as my father goes, he
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  Speaker 4: is Don Wilson, the guitarist for the Ventures, and that
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  Speaker 4: is the number one selling instrumental band of all time.
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  Speaker 4: They did songs like Hawaii I Voto and Pipeline and
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  Speaker 4: vipe Out and whatnot. So, you know, back in the
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  Speaker 4: early eighties, late seventies, early eighties, as I was a
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  Speaker 4: teenage girl growing up, a lot of the guys in
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  Speaker 4: school knew where the Ventures were because they were learning
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  Speaker 4: how to play guitar and whatnot. But personally I was
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  Speaker 4: very much into harder rock like led Zeppelin and the
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  Speaker 4: Rolling Stones and groups like that, so to me, like
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  Speaker 4: Ventures were not exactly uncool, but not exactly you know,
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  Speaker 4: my cup of tea as far as music went. So
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  Speaker 4: it was kind of funny to hear my friends say
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  Speaker 4: how much you know, they really loved the Ventures, and
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  Speaker 4: I was like, really, my dad's famous. I didn't really
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  Speaker 4: see that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's one of those things, like I was saying
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  Speaker 3: about the guy had on the podcast whose father was
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  Speaker 3: was was an entertainment lawyer, and he would say, you know,
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  Speaker 3: why are these people calling the house? And he was
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  Speaker 3: kept saying, Dad, you know what is going on here?
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  Speaker 3: And it's just stuff like that. It's just so interesting,
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  Speaker 3: you know, always and growing up and your your your parents,
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  Speaker 3: your parents are you know, in demand or or people
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  Speaker 3: want to meet them, and it's you know, when you're younger,
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  Speaker 3: you're like, why why do all these people want to
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  Speaker 3: come meet my parents? What is going on here?
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  Speaker 4: Right? Yeah, I mean it's hard to have perspective on
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  Speaker 4: your parents when you're that young. Of course, now I do,
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  Speaker 4: and especially having written my book, it's given me a
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  Speaker 4: lot of great you know, like I say, perspective of
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  Speaker 4: yours and to really appreciate their talents.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, to me, they still are just my parents.
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  Speaker 3: So uh so, Stacy, when you when you were growing up,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you mentioned that you got bit by the
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  Speaker 3: sort of filmmaking bug a little later in life, so
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  Speaker 3: we don't around you know, what age were you when
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  Speaker 3: you finally decided that you wanted to to sort of
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  Speaker 3: go into the to the film industry.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I actually started off as an entertainment reporter, and
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  Speaker 4: I fell into that more or less through writing horror novels.
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  Speaker 4: I was approached by a couple of horror websites like
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  Speaker 4: horror dot com and cine Fantasticeek magazine had also approached
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  Speaker 4: me to see if I wanted to be an LA
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  Speaker 4: correspondent to write movie reviews. And it really wasn't anything
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  Speaker 4: that I had endeavored to do, although I always liked movies,
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  Speaker 4: and I found out that I really had an aptitude
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  Speaker 4: for it, and so here we are, like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: sixteen years later. I got it started in two thousand
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  Speaker 4: and one, and so I'm still doing that, still reviewing
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  Speaker 4: films and still interviewing actors, while also pursuing my own
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  Speaker 4: career as a filmmaker. And that actually started just through
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  Speaker 4: being inspired by an Edgar Allan Poe poem in two
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  Speaker 4: thousand and ten. I believe that was the first. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: that's my first foray into filmmaking was in twenty ten
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  Speaker 4: with a short film, A trip Take of three short
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  Speaker 4: films based on Annabelle Lee and I just knew actors
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  Speaker 4: through my other career as a film journalist, and so
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  Speaker 4: that's how that all just kind of came together pretty organically.
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  Speaker 4: It wasn't something that one day I will come and said,
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to be a filmmaker. So it just seemed
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  Speaker 4: like a natural evolution from what I had been doing
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  Speaker 4: and the fact that I did write fiction before in
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  Speaker 4: the nineties. Those two things, the marrying of storytelling and
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  Speaker 4: technology and then a basis of knowledge in film is
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  Speaker 4: really what I feel led to led to it. And
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  Speaker 4: so since then, I've made several short films and also
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  Speaker 4: wrote and directed to feature films, and it's still a
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  Speaker 4: part time thing for me, although I do enjoy it.
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  Speaker 4: Writing is still my number one love.
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  Speaker 3: So do you write your you know, your own scripts
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  Speaker 3: that you go in to direct and maybe even produce.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, I do. I actually though my two feature films
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  Speaker 4: which were produced by Blanc Being Productions, which is Michael Bean,
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  Speaker 4: the actor, and his wife Jennifer Blanc, and they're both actors,
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  Speaker 4: but they both got and started a production company and
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  Speaker 4: the two films that I wrote were based on ideas
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  Speaker 4: from one of their partners who gave me sort of
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  Speaker 4: the skeleton of an idea and I was predisposed already
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  Speaker 4: to liking the subject matter of both films, so it
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  Speaker 4: worked out really well because it almost feels like they're
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  Speaker 4: my creations, but really they are based on stories by
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  Speaker 4: a lonely Ruman who's one of their producing partners. And
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  Speaker 4: then so I wrote the scripts to you know, specific
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  Speaker 4: locations and a specific budget, and then was given the
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  Speaker 4: wonderful opportunity to direct them. And it was really, you know,
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  Speaker 4: a great experience. They are super you know, run and gun,
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  Speaker 4: Roger Corman style, grind housey sort of movies. So we
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  Speaker 4: actually shot both features at five days each, so you know,
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  Speaker 4: basically five twelve hour days shooting about seventeen pages a day.
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  Speaker 4: And I think it was really a great sort of
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  Speaker 4: introduction into directing features for me because it was really challenging,
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  Speaker 4: but in a fun way. So I think, now that
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  Speaker 4: I've done this, I can do just about anything. So
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  Speaker 4: it's really a great confidence builder too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny you actually bring them up. I actually helped.
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  Speaker 3: I actually helped them with a kickstarter they were doing,
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  Speaker 3: I think it was The Night Visitor.
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  Speaker 4: I think, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know that. Yeah, they've
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  Speaker 4: actually done a couple of sequels to that now since.
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  Speaker 3: Really because I actually that's it's a small world. I'll
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  Speaker 3: tell you Stacey doing this podcast, it's a smaller and
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  Speaker 3: smaller world.
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  Speaker 2: That's good.
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  Speaker 3: So so when you first started, you know, you know,
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  Speaker 3: wanting to do movies, I and you mentioned you didn't
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  Speaker 3: just wake up one day and want to become a filmmaker.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's it's it's kind of I feel that
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  Speaker 3: most people who want to make a movie or or
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  Speaker 3: you know, even go into this industry, they usually have
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  Speaker 3: almost like this almost like a predisposition and it it's almost
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  Speaker 3: like they have like this itch that they just need
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  Speaker 3: to scratch. And you know, when they go to make
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  Speaker 3: a movie, it's always one of two things that I
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  Speaker 3: that I found. It's either that they do the running
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  Speaker 3: gun style. It's where it's like no, no, I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 3: let me take that back. They either do one of
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  Speaker 3: two things. They do the they do like no planning
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  Speaker 3: at all, or they plan this thing so much that
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  Speaker 3: becomes analysis through paralysis and they don't do anyone and
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  Speaker 3: they never get to film it. So it's one of
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  Speaker 3: those two things. So, but once you start getting into
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  Speaker 3: it more and more, you start building a team you
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  Speaker 3: start building a whole like network. Now, I think your
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  Speaker 3: story is different because I think you had a better
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  Speaker 3: network going into it, because again, you're in LA, You're
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  Speaker 3: doing you making all these connections, You're you're viewing movies,
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  Speaker 3: you're a movie reporter. So when you went to make
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  Speaker 3: your first movie, you know, do you feel that you
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  Speaker 3: already had a better footing or a better understanding then
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  Speaker 3: maybe the average filmmaker.
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  Speaker 4: Well that is probably on a case by case basis.
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  Speaker 4: Like you say, everyone brings their own measure of talent
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  Speaker 4: and their own sort of life experience into creating something
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  Speaker 4: as ephemeral really as a film. Even though a film
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  Speaker 4: you know, does last forever, it's still when it's coming together,
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  Speaker 4: it's kind of an alchemy. So each person brings their
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  Speaker 4: own thing into it. So we're all unique. But I
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  Speaker 4: do feel really fortunate that I know the great talented
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  Speaker 4: people that I do know, and in Los Angeles there is,
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  Speaker 4: you know, obviously a greater concentration of choices. You know,
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  Speaker 4: people that you know, and also just through being an
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  Speaker 4: entertainment reporter and knowing these people on a different level,
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  Speaker 4: I really kind of already knew what their work ethic
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  Speaker 4: would be and what your sensibilities are. And so when
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  Speaker 4: bringing together, say, you know, my first cast for my
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  Speaker 4: short film, the star of that, who's sort of our
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  Speaker 4: Edgar Allen Poe character is Ogre from Skinny Puppy, and
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  Speaker 4: I had met him through being an entertainment reporter when
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  Speaker 4: I covered his feature musical film called Repo the Genetic Opera,
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  Speaker 4: which is directed by Darren Bausman. So we already had
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  Speaker 4: sort of a connection and a report, and I knew
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  Speaker 4: the things that he liked and he knew the things
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  Speaker 4: that I liked. So there is a good shorthand there,
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  Speaker 4: which you really need when you're working on a low
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  Speaker 4: budget or a no budget film, because you don't really
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  Speaker 4: have time to get acquainted with someone. You kind of
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  Speaker 4: have to dive in and already know what you're dealing with.
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  Speaker 4: So having a pool of people like that already and
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  Speaker 4: just being friends, I think really helps. So I would say, yes,
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  Speaker 4: that's a long answer to your short question.
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  Speaker 3: No, No, I completely understand, Stacy. I tend to ask
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  Speaker 3: very open ended questions, you know, just to sort of
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  Speaker 3: get a good response to that, you know, a longer response,
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  Speaker 3: And I always think that's a good thing. And I
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  Speaker 3: just want to follow it up. I am when when
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  Speaker 3: you've made your first film, what were some of the
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  Speaker 3: biggest takeaways for you that you put into your next film.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I actually, although I'm known in the horror and
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: genre world and Edgar Allen Poe certainly is horror, but
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: I also feel like it's an arty sensibility where you
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: can really stretch the imagination and interpret the subject matter
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: as you like. So my next film after that was
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: also very experimental, and having the basis of shooting The
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: Key to Annabelly, which is my first short film, I
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: really felt freed up to be even more artistic and experimental.
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: My next film was called The Night Plays Tricks, which
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: is based on a Bob Dylan song called Visions of Johannah,
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: and it's almost Maya Darren asked, if you've seen Meshes
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: of the Afternoon, you know it's kind of like that.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: So I really felt confident that I could express myself
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: in a sort of slightly opaque artistic way and yet
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: still get a story across. And having a good editor
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: really helps with that. And my editor and DP on
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: that second film is justin Cruz and so it's really
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: nice having a DP who can also edit, which is
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: also the case with my very latest, most recent short film.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: So I feel like the DP is kind of editing
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: in his mind as he's shooting, and having that artistic
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: sensibility like I have is really makes for a great collaboration.
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: So that is what sort of spurred me on to
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: continue making films, was to know that I could still
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: be artistic because to me, style in cinema speaks volumes,
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: and that is really what I wanted to be able
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: to do. So that really gave me the confidence to
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: move forward.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: So you mentioned your latest film, I mean, could you
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: can talk a little bit about that.
• 20:07
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• 20:13
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• 20:16
  Speaker 4: Absolutely. It is called Psychotherapy, and it stars Brooke Lewis
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: and Ricky Dean Logan, and it's sort of a two hander.
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: It's a very short film, it's just under ten minutes,
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: and Brooke had brought me on to write and direct
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: it as sort of a showcase for her because she
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: is known for doing sci fi and comedies and things
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: that are pretty light and this is more of a
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: psychological thriller. So she wanted me to write something to
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: her strengths. As a dramatic actor. And then she brought
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: on Ricky, who is also a very good actor, but
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: I haven't actually met him before we started shooting, so
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: that's another fun challenge that I enjoy too. On the
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: flip side of working with people that I know, is
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: also just sort of diving in and having fun with
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: people that I don't have experience with. So that's the
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: part of the excitement of making a film. And so
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: this short film is sort of Brooke and my we
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: would both love Brian de Palma's films, so it's kind
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: of our homage to Dress to Kill a little bit
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: with the psychiatrists and the patient having a verbal tet
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: a tet. And so far the film has won several
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: awards both for acting, directing, and writing, and it's only
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: been on the festival circuit for a few months, so
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: very encouraging. And our DP slash editor Stephan Colson is
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: really really super talented, and so all those elements together,
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: that's the fun thing, as opposed to say writing a
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: novel where it's very much just with you and it's
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: your you know, sort of everything thing is contained within
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: the writer. To see how a script that I wrote
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: evolves and sort of flowers with the different talents of
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: the other people. So it's just a different kind of satisfaction,
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: but it's they're both really interesting ways of expressing yourself artistically.
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: And so yeah, this latest short film is probably the
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: one of the least artistic shorts that I've done. It's
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: more linear and more like I said, it's a it's
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: a thriller, but I was able to add some visual
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: flourishes that I wanted to. So it's been really great.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: And and that's amazing because you know, it goes on
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: with what I was with I was trying to get
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: at before, was you know, always bring something that new
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: from your old project to your new project. And what
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: I mean by that is you bring the experience, you
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: bring confidence. I think I think a lot of filmmakers,
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: or even when I see a lot of read a
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: lot of books or or what have you a out filmmaking,
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: they don't really talk about confidence. And if you don't
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: really have any confidence, you know, in yourself or the
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: project or the script or anything else, you know, I
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: think that shows it almost becomes like you're like, oh, okay,
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: can you know what I mean it? Can you end
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: up getting maybe even a very passive sort of feel
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: for the whole thing, you know what I mean. And
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: I think confidence is something that a lot of people
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: don't talk about. And one of the ways that I
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: feel that that filmmakers can build confidence is is by
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: small victories. And what I mean by that is you
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: make a project, maybe even going out like Mark Duplace says,
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: going out with your friends on a weekend and making
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: a movie for one hundred bucks, or or or doing
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: something else, or maybe winning a local contest or something
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: like that, and then sort of being able to sort
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: of parlay that into something else, if you know what
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, Stacy, Oh, absolutely.
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: I mean it's like when you're learning how to swim,
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: you don't dive into the deep end. You kind of
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: stand on the steps for a little while, and then
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: you wade into the shallow end and then and as
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: you see that you're not going to drown, you go
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: a little bit further and a little bit further. So, yeah,
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: I think that's definitely true. Sometimes, you know, I see
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: as an entertainment reporter, I don't really know what kind
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: of connections these people have, but sometimes you see a
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: film director who's given his very first project and it's
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: a blockbuster with say, you know Warner Brothers or Sony.
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: I'm like, wow, that must be really intimidating, you know.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: You know, Stacey, you and I have the same mentality
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: with that. I have seen other people who've gotten projects,
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: maybe not even blockbusters, but it's like their first time
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: film and they walk down they and they have like
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: one hundred thousand dollars or five hundred thousand or a
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: million and yeah, and I sit there and I go,
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: how did they get that money? Like where did they
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: get that from?
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: I once knew a person who, basically his first time out,
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: he got a bunch of grants and stuff like that,
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: and I said, you know, you know, how do you
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: how did did you do that? And he basically said
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: he had a girlfriend who at the time, her mother
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: was very big into she did a lot of charity fundraising,
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: and she knew a ton of people and that's how
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: he got these grants. And basically they're just they're not
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: even grants that you like applied to so to speak.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: They're grants that you know, if you pitch to him
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: at a you know, at certain intervals, they'll be like, okay,
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: you could have this money, you could have that money.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: Well that's how we raise some of the money. But
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: just to go back to where we're talking about, you know, yeah,
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: some people are out of left field and suddenly they're
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: directing the next Godzilla film for like two hundred million dollars.
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: You know, yeah, yeah. I mean I think for me personally,
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: just knowing my dairy autonomous freelance or personality, I would
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: be not as happy working with a huge budget like that,
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: where so much hinges on the success of the film
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: as opposed to the joy of making the film and
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: creating something that you like. I don't know that I
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: would really you know, I definitely know I wouldn't feel
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: comfortable having you know, producers breathing down my neck every
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: day about you know, how much money is being spent
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: and you know, look at all there's writing on this.
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: That's a lot of pressure to me for my part filmmaking.
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: Of course, I want to be able to make enough
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: money to pay my rent, and so far, so good,
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: but I don't really aspire to be a huge, you know,
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: a director making a blockbuster. However, having said that, I
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: am really proud of Patty Jenkins, who's directed Wonder Woman,
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: and she's done a great job with a huge blockbuster
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: like that. I had interviewed her several years ago when
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: she did Monster, and that was sort of like a
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: very you know, personal film that she was able to
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: put her own stamp on, and she's weathered the storms
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: and look at her now. So I think it's great.
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: It's really a good time actually to be a female
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: creator in the film world. And hopefully I'll be able
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: to glean a little bit of that good fortune myself
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: as I moved ahead in my career.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: You know, I was just talking about Patty with her
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: cinematographer from Monster, Stephen Bernstein, and he and I were
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: talking about Patty and and we were just talking about
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: you know, Wonder Woman and everything like that. So it's
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: just again you brought that up. It's just a small again,
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: I know, I keep repeating with Stacy, but it's a
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: very small world.
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: It's good. I like it, yeah, but but it is.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is a good time, you know, for female
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: directors and you know, female producers too, because even like
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: somebody like gailhard on The Walking Dead, you know, I
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: think she kind of sort of I don't know how
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: many interviews she does I don't know me. She's one
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: of those people that sort of gets in the background,
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: but you know, it's it's just, you know, it is
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: I can see more opportunities coming down the pike. And
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: it's also great things too, like I have to mention
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: Carol Dean who runs the Grandson of Hearts Productions. She's phenomenal.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: And there's also great people out there like Jennifer Gersani, Lead,
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: Jessa Plura, Alessandra, all these great people out there working,
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: you know, without your neck of with Stacy in La Oh.
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: Absolutely. I just attended the Etherea Film Festival last weekend
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: which has been going on for about five years now.
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: Previous to that it was called gisco or it was
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: more focused on horror, and now it's more genre, you
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: know based with different elements of that. And that is
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: Heidi Honeycutt and Stacy Hammond who run that festival, which
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: is pretty much you know, focused on the female in
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: fact that they each film has to either be written, directed,
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: or produced by a woman. And this past weekend, Roger
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: Corman came out and presented the Lifetime Achievement Award to
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: Stephanie Rothman, who was his protege and she actually direct
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: did the first three New World Pictures, I think, and
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: this is back in the early seventies. So Roger has
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: always given people, regardless of gender or race, their big
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: breaks and early on, you know, before it was quote
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: unquote trendy. So it's really nice to see a woman
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: like Stephanie Rothman being recognized today for the work that
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: she did, which is really pretty pioneering in the early
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: nineteen seventies. But I mean, you could even go back
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: on this subject to the early era of talkies and
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: silent films when women like Mary Pickford were producing and
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: it was a lot less gender biased than for a
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: short period of time until real money started coming in
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: and then it was you know, taken over by males.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: But I feel like, you know, we're definitely experiencing a
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: bit of a renaissance here. So it's a good time
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: to be a filmmaker period, but even better to be
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: a female filmmaker right now. So I'm feeling pretty good
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: about where I am.
• 30:03
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• 30:09
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• 30:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, it's interesting to see where all
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: this is going to. I'm always interested to see too Stacy,
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: Where you know, Netflix is going, where Hulu's going, where
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: all these avenues are going. I mean, I've heard so
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: many different things that are rumbling down the pike, and
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: it's just also interesting right now and how everything's sort
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: of coming together.
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, there are a lot more women working in
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: television and film. Film is sort of, you know, still
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: a bit more gender biased, but it's becoming less so
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: that I in television, I mean, if you just read
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: the credits, you'll see so many more female names below
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: the line than you do in film.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, very true, very true. Yeah, and you know that
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: that'd be interesting to sort of discuss, you know, why
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: that why that is? But but I we would be
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: because I don't have I don't know the answer, but.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't either.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: We're not going to talk about it was good to
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: say it's a good thing. I don't even have a theory.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: But but I did want to talk about your book,
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: so La a Hollywood memoir. I didn't want to talk
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: about this, you know, you know, and I want to ask,
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: you know, sort of you know, what inspired you to
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: actually write the book. I know you were working as
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: a movie reporter, you know, you started doing you know
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: all this film work. You released a book in March
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: of this year, twenty seventeen. So what was sort of
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: the impetus to write this book.
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: Well, I started writing it last year, just a couple
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: of weeks before my birthday. It was a milestone birthday,
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: and so that is really what made me think, you know,
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: I've I've lived long enough life to be able to
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: have an interesting story. But I hold on just a
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: second here, thank you, Sorry about that. That is something
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: you can edit out.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: I'm going to leave it in stacy. I think it's funny.
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: How Yeah, I just got a special delivery. It's my
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: stack of cash for the next movie I'm directing. Oh nice, Okay.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: So yeah, So the impetus to write the book was
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: last year and my birthday month, and it was a
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: milestone birthday. So I felt like it was time for
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: me to tell my story because I had an interesting
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: enough story with enough perspective to talk about it. But
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: I'm still young enough and quote unquote with it to
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: be able to tell the story to you know, in
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: an interesting manner. So that was part of it. And
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: then another part of it is that with the you know,
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: advent of social media, that people know who I am,
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: but they express a lot of interest in my parents,
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: my dad and my mom, and I'll post pictures and
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: I'll get so many great responses, but their stories really
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: haven't been told on a personal love. So for me,
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: that was one of the reasons that I wanted to
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: write too, was to kind of give my mom and
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: dad's stories and in a candid way, but definitely not
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: you know, a mommy dearest kind of thing at all.
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: But my mother when I was growing up, she was
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: an alcoholic and she went through some really tough times
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: and my parents divorced when I was very young, So
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: there are things to talk about in that regard where
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: it wasn't just you know, a whipped cream and fluffy
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: clouds childhood. So there's you know, things that I want
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: to talk about in that regard. And my parents did
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: read the book after it was published and they both approved,
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: so that's good. So that's really what the impetus was,
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: because I feel like I have some pretty interesting stories
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: to tell in a different perspective than probably most people.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's what goes back to what I was
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: mentioning too, was you know, just growing up in la
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: and still living there is an interesting perspective, and I
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: just want to ask Stacy, what is maybe just one,
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: just one story from the book, maybe your most favorite
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: or the most interesting from you from your perspective, just
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: something from the book. Maybe is there any just one
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: story you could tell from the book?
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: Well, there are so many stories because it covers many
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: different facets of my life. So I mean, we could
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: talk about the very irate alcoholic monkey that my mom
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: brought home one day when I was about seven years old,
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: and it has my new path, which was kind of fun.
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: Or we could talk about you know why, Malcolm McDowell
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: told me I could call him my boyfriend h later
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: in life, when I was interviewing him just about every
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: week for the Sci Fi Channel. We had sort of
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: this fun little relationship and he's a great guy. Or
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: we could talk about the days of nineteen eighties hair
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: metal on the sunset stripped. Oh, that was an odious time. So,
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: I mean, there's really a lot to talk about. So
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: I couldn't really pick one story, but there's a lot
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: of little little kernels, and you know, part of my
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: wanting to do this was to be able to tell
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: these stories in a humorous way. So a lot of
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: feedback that I'm getting is really gratifying and that people
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: are finding, even in the more difficult times in my life,
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: that there's always a temper of humor to it.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: You know, one story that I saw from the Amazon
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: homepage for your book was a party at the Playboy Mansion.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: And I know this is I just every time we
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: hear about the Playboy Mansion, the first thing I think of,
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: and this just goes to show you where my head's at, Stacy,
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: is Paully Shore. Because there's a story that somebody was
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: told about Paully Shore where he every year, every year,
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: he would he be at a Playboy Mansion party and
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: he would go up and he would just tell everyone
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: he was thirty years old. Well finally someone said, you know, Paulie,
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: you've been thirty years old for the past twenty years,
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: so you know, and it's just and they actually made
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: liter of it in the TV show Entourage. They actually
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: brought that joke back, which I actually I thought was
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: pretty cool. But yeah, no, no, was just I just
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: always funny. But I mean, a parting at the Playwood
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: Mansion and it's heyday, I mean, yeah, exactly, that stuff.
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: Like that back when it was exciting. Yeah, it was
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: really neat to be able to go to that part.
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: I believe I was nineteen years old, eighteen or nineteen
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: years old at the time, and HEP's girlfriend Carrie Lee,
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: who I believe she showed him for palimony later on,
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: but anyway, she was kind of out scouting the clubs
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: for girls to invite to the parties. And so we went,
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: and my friend Peg and I she was sort of
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: my bad influence, which every kid needs to have her
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: growing up, the bad influence friend. So we went and
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: it was really interesting to see it back then, especially
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: since there was still a mistique to it, whereas now
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: I did return for another party about three years ago
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  Speaker 4: and things had really changed quite a bit. And also
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: just the public perspective of the Playboy match, and now
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: that it's been demystified, it's just not as exciting. It's
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: actually kind of cheesy. So it's kind of neat for
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  Speaker 4: me to have that experience from the perspective of of
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: decades apart to see, you know, how it was in
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: the in the eighties to how it is now, And
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: so I do talk about that in the book. Yes,
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: And another thing about my book that maybe historians will
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: find interesting is that I am an architecture bop, so
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: I do go into all the places that I visited
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  Speaker 4: and then talk a little bit about who built them
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: and what their history is and what they look like,
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: so those kind of things, you know, adding those details.
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  Speaker 4: It was really a lot of fun for me when
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: I was writing the book too, to be able to
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: do research on the things that I really enjoy and
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: to be able to tell stories about them from a
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: different perspective, not just the salacious, you know, Playboy matched
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: and Grotto perspective.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: So let me ask you, Stacy, it was. Is the
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: Rainbow Born Grill as legendary as they say?
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: Yes it is. There's been so much going on there
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: throughout the years. Yeah. In fact, I did an interesting
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: interview with the guys from La Meekly. We actually did
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: our interview there at the Rainbow so we could talk
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: about its history and it really has not changed its
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: staycore in many decades. And I don't know if you know,
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: but Motorheads front man Lemmy used to hang out there.
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: In fact, he practically lived there. He had rented an
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: apartment just within stumbling distance so he could hang out
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: there all the time, and when he passed away a
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: couple of years ago, he was such a fixture at
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: the Rainbow that they had actually commissioned a bronze statue
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: of him. And so he's still there at the bar.
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: You know, I had a friend of mine out there
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: who went out there and he actually, you know, knew
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: a few people who used to talk about the rain
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: of bar and Grill and they called the Bow and
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: you know, and I know he and I always and
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: one of the guys of telling stories would always he
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: was one of those guys that if he would always
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: tell impellish stories. So I wanted to ask, you know
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: what to be like. I wanted to ask you straight,
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: you know, straight from U Stacy about it, just about
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: if it's actually as legendary as they say.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: And I actually got to meet Jimmy Page there, Who's
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: my my hero growing up. I mean, I love Jimmy
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: Page and Led Zeppelin. That was my jam when I
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: was a kid and a teenager. So I actually had
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: gotten a fake ID out of the back of like
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: Hit Parada or Cream magazine, so I could go to
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: the Rainbow when I was underage, and I saw quite
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: a few really cool rock stars there. But my favorite
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: sighting was definitely Jimmy Page. And then it sort of
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: came full circle when as an entertainment reporter I got
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: to actually interview him for the documentary called It Might
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: Get Loud.
• 39:56
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• 40:02
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  Speaker 4: So it was really fantastic to be able to have
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  Speaker 4: my Jimmy Page moment on two totally different levels, and
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: one as a fangirl and one as a entertainment reporter.
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  Speaker 3: And see that. That's why, you know, I'm glad we
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: got to talk, Stacy, because you have those those sort
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: of dual perspectives of things, seeing petnam as fans and
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: then seeing them as an interviewer. I think that's really cool.
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I do too, and I really appreciate it.
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: So I definitely talk about that in the book and
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: what it feels like to actually have those experiences. So
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: hopefully people will appreciate that aspect of it too, and I'll.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: Make sure to link the book in the show notes
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: as well. And Stacy, I just want to ask, uh probable,
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: I just want to ask, also, you know, what what
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: what next? What do you have next? In the pipeline,
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: you know, are you what sort of movies are you
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: working on next?
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: Well, I'm so immersed in the book right now and
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: Psychotherapy's festival run, but I don't have a lot ironed
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: out yet. But my next hopeful project is to write
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: and direct a documentary about the Ventures, because, believe it
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: or not, in spite of their incredible legacy and long
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: running career, there's never been a documentary made about them.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: So if no one else is going to do it,
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: why not me?
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: Exactly, you see an opportunity, or you see something that
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: you would buy that's not out in the market, and
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: you go out and you create it.
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: Yep, exactly.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: So Stacey, just in closing, I know we've been talking
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: for about forty minutes now, is there anything that we
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: can get a chance to talk about that you maybe
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: want to talk about now, or anything you sort of
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: want to say to put a period at the end
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: of this whole conversation.
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: I like to say thank you so much for having
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: me on the show and to talk about my various
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: different things. I know it's sometimes difficult to concentrate on
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: one specific line of questioning with someone who does so
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: many different things. But you know, I really do appreciate
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: having a forum like this to be able to talk
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: to you and to talk to your listeners, and just
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: looking forward to meeting everyone so they can certainly find
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: me online and I love to interact with folks who
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: also enjoy film and music. And thank you.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: And my pleasure, Stacey, and I thank you so much
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: for coming on. Where can people find you out online?
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: Just about anywhere I can give you the rundown you.
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: So I'm on Twitter as Stacey Wilson. That's st A
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: c I W I L s O N and the
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: same on Facebook, and then on Instagram, I'm Stacy Lane,
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: which is my middle name, so that's st A c
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: I l A y n E. And my website is
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: Stacylanewilson dot com. So that's sort of the catch all
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: for if you forgot all those social media things, you
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: can go to my website and contact me there. In fact,
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: I encourage you to do. So.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: We thank you so much for coming on the podcast,
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: and I wish you the best so much time.
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: Okay, cool, thank you.
• 43:18
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• 43:19
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• 43:21
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