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156- Baptism - Losing Salvation - Fearing the Lord · Relish: a Christian podcast

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  You're listening to Thursday Mornings with Alex and Don. Team Ed.
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  Don is a pastor with 40 years experience.
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  And Alex is just as curious as you are. We look at the most important and interesting
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  questions about the Bible and Christian faith.
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  So let's talk about it. Pastor Don.
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  Good morning, Alex. How are you doing? Oh, so good. I can hardly stand it.
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  Hardly stand it. Hardly stand it. Can't you tell? We're sitting, so we're all right.
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  Yep. All right. We got three questions left. Three questions from Hillcrest.
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  That's right. And then we'll be all polished up on it. Before we do that,
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  we got an announcement to make. We've got Vacation Bible School.
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  Help us get some kids in here and fill this up. June 24th, 27.
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  Westchester Community Church starts with supper at 530, right? Yes.
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  And yeah, start your, yeah, an evening away from the kids.
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  That's right. Bring them over and we'll share the word with them.
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  That's right. Right. If you're in this area, or even if you're not, talk to someone who is.
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  Tell them that exact same thing. Right. Let's drop off our kids and go to eat.
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  Yeah. Or maybe you want to volunteer or something. That's true.
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  It's a lot of fun. That's some of my fondest memories growing up.
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  So, yep, 24th through 27th, Westchester Community Church website.
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  Go there and you'll be able to sign up there. Right.
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  All right. Cool. First question. Have at it, Don. Question number one.
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  What is the appropriate context for baptism? This is from Cohen.
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  Cohen. Okay. The appropriate context. For baptism.
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  Well, I like John's gospel. In other words, baptism, we know who Jesus was.
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  And he knew who he was.
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  And so he went to John for baptism.
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  Because of righteousness that's what jesus
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  says your your baptism is
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  like a wedding ring it is what you
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  do publicly to declare
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  to others that you're baptized i like that analogy yeah and so you want it to
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  make it special you want to know what you're doing you don't just oh i think
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  i'm gonna put water on my head no right or jump in the pond and i'm baptized
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  that's not that kind of thing.
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  So it's, it's a place where you, you need to share your testimony,
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  why you're doing it, when you, when you're doing it, you're doing it in such
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  a way that you're surrounded by family and friends and maybe some of the clergy
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  that helped you get where you're at.
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  And I think immersion is really good if you have a way of doing it.
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  And if you don't have a way of doing it, get a big pitcher and pour.
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  Not a little pitcher, but a pitcher and pour the water out to symbolize how
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  the Holy Spirit, we're asking the Holy Spirit to come in baptism,
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  much like Jesus had the Holy Spirit descend upon him like a dove.
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  And we're asking for the same thing, that the Holy Spirit would anoint, if you will, immerse.
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  The person with the Holy Spirit. And maybe we'll see the gifts of the Spirit
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  right away. You never know. You might.
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  But that's the context of baptism. Okay. And then to walk in newness of life.
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  Interesting that in the first century, it was a complete turnaround for people,
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  because they would go through the catechism, the teachings of the church.
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  They didn't have the Bible to read. Right. So they were getting the reading
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  from, from getting the instruction from the ones who were ahead of them,
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  if you will, and the disciples ahead of them.
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  And so that would happen maybe five to six months, maybe a year.
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  We don't know for sure how long that period of time.
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  But we also know from some indicators of the early church that they didn't change
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  clothes and they didn't bathe during that time, which would make one very conscious of sin. Oh, sure.
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  Or stink anyway. And so the baptism process was coming to the river or the pond
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  or the body of water, and they would shed their clothing and cleanse.
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  They would actually be bathed in the process.
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  And they would leave the old clothes behind and even their old identity.
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  And they would be given fresh clothes coming out of the water and a brand new name.
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  Brand new name. And so in that period of time, there's a lot of people who would
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  be like Paul and Saul, Saul, who's now called Paul, but there'd be double names.
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  So their Christian name would be. Yeah.
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  I see. Yeah. I think the Catholics still do that, don't they? In some ways. Yes. Yes.
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  How about the correct age? Because we've actually talked about this before,
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  I think. We've talked about it before.
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  In my tradition, we talk about the age of accountability. Eight.
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  When does a kid know right from wrong and can make decisions well and decide
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  this on their own to follow Jesus?
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  And so, right and wrong? A kid eight years old knows right and wrong.
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  I mean, even my... But do they know the ramification every decision they make?
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  We believe in believers baptism which should
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  be anything from 13 to 89 95
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  you know on up i have baptized
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  kids 11 that had wherewithal to
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  know what was going on okay because i
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  say my my son is five he knows right from
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  wrong right but i don't think he understood i know
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  he doesn't understand why we don't
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  want him to hit somebody well and
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  he probably understands that because he doesn't want to hurt somebody but like say
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  he doesn't understand why we make him go to bed at 7 30 every
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  night right right uh even if we tell him you know well you're kind of a poop
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  head if you don't go to bed at 7 30 right but we don't okay in our judicial
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  system right somebody under 18 we we treat them differently if they commit a
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  murder than if they commit the murder after 18 Right.
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  And so that's part of the accountability that we have put into our judicial system. Okay.
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  And so when we talk about the age of accountability, it's that period of time
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  when they not only are responsible for the decisions, but the consequences of those decisions. Okay.
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  And that is a, yeah, they understand it. And then we are actually holding them
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  accountable for that. Correct.
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  And so where do we get that age of accountability? accountability i don't
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  know that there's a biblical spot other than the bar mitzvah
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  you know right the the age by which
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  even in the jewish tradition you became a son of the church son of the word
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  okay son of the law okay bar mitzvah son of the law okay that makes sense it's
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  more cultural than it is actually biblical okay because i don't i can't think
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  of a single passage that you You could say,
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  this is the age of accountability.
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  Okay. I thought I remember someone referencing the Bible and saying it was eight, but that seems off.
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  So let us know out there. Yeah. If you find it, let me know.
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  I need that one. Yeah. That'd be interesting to find out.
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  What would be some other signs that we would see that someone is ready?
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  The maturity of the individual. Okay. They understand what it means to not only
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  understand scripture, but to make it a part of their life.
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  I mean, it's one thing to read the scripture, oh yeah, we've got a lot of people,
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  who understand scripture, stem to stern and have no faith. Right.
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  One illustration is the guy who followed.
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  The guy who was the leader of textual criticism of the Bible,
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  so he could take a word and get it down to its root, and he knew all that biblical stuff.
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  His successor that he taught all this to is actually an atheist.
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  So you not only need to know the word, but you need to be able to understand
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  its influence on us and adopt it as your own.
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  Yeah. yeah so that yeah that does that's pretty
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  stark contrast it is yeah we wouldn't baptize someone
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  who is an atheist ff bruce was the man of
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  faith yeah who did the textual criticism of the bible and it's tremendous work
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  okay he i mean it was a tremendous contribution to our understanding of the
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  biblical context and literature his successor however while he understands a great deal is not
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  a man of faith okay okay does it
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  have to be up in front of everybody i do believe that
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  okay and the reason i believe that is well jesus was
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  baptized in front of a crowd but also
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  okay if i'm gonna make a commitment am i gonna make it in secret right you know
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  am i ashamed of it or is it something that i'm bold and going to live out right
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  if i'm gonna live it out i not only want I want you to know that I'm doing it
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  so that you can keep me on task,
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  but also everybody else I know.
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  Right. So there's not some spot of my life I can crawl off and say,
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  well, in this little spot, I don't have to act like a Christian.
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  Just as we want an age of accountability, we want the action to be,
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  you want to be, have at least a bit of a little bit of accountability on that. Right. Yeah.
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  Someone to hold you accountable in a way. You know, if I decided last night
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  that I was going on a diet and then 20 minutes later had myself a pan of brownies,
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  I didn't tell anyone though.
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  So I'm not, I didn't technically fail. So no one knew. Right. But.
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  Sort of. Yeah. If I had told all of Facebook or something and then said,
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  I actually ate a whole pan of brownies, then there's some accountability.
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  I enjoyed every one of them. Yeah. There you go. There you go.
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  Then you'd be held accountable.
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  If someone as a pastor let's say and someone
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  just says i'm ready to be baptized do you have any other follow-up
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  questions for them to make sure is that important
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  as far as like what happens at the church well it's
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  important that you have somebody a part of that process who can
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  talk you through a pastor a mentor someone
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  who knows you and says okay so
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  have you ever considered this and have you considered that
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  okay this this is i know you do
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  this are you considering this part of it because sometimes
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  we don't consider all the other things we just sort of we
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  don't want to make an emotional decision right cognitively i
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  think we're the medical term says well our
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  frontal lobe isn't fully developed till we're 27 well if that's the case maybe
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  we shouldn't be baptized ties till we're 27 right but in that so it's nice to
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  have somebody around us that can help us with these decisions and all the ramifications
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  of them okay that's fair all right next question,
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  if salvation is a gift can we lose it or give it back just as easy this is from
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  adrian adrian adrian yeah so adrian yeah,
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  Probably the scripture I'll go to fastest that answers this is Hebrews chapter 6.
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  Oh, come on. I want the pages to turn. They won't.
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  It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened,
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  who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared the Holy Spirit,
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  who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to
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  come, if they fall away to be brought back to repentance.
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  Because to their loss they're crucifying
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  the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.
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  That's the answer to your question, Adrian. Yep. So what's interesting is then
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  I've been in discussions that,
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  okay, you can't lose it because if you got those four, you can't lose it.
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  And the other side would say, if they fall away, they can't be brought back. Right.
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  You can lose it, and then you can't be redeemed. Right.
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  So which camp do you fall in i i
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  fall in the camp of god's grace okay because on
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  my side i think okay been enlightened tasted
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  the heavenly gift who shared in the holy spirit who've tasted the goodness of
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  the word of god and the powers of the age to come okay how many people have
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  been have really encountered all five of those right to the fullness because
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  you know it's been it's It's not that long ago that I felt like I had a new
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  understanding of the Holy Spirit.
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  Well, if I can do it, you know, many years later, then I just,
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  I don't want to be judge this side of the cross.
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  I don't want to be judge this side of heaven. Can you lose it?
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  Well, I don't think I'd take the chance. Right.
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  I think God's just going to keep working on you. I think. So I fall into that
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  one because I don't understand this.
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  I don't know if you've ever talked to anyone who says something like this,
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  but I used to be a Christian.
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  I go, no, you didn't.
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  That's not how that works. If you had a relationship with Jesus, that's not a used to.
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  If you knew who Jesus was truly, that is such a radical thing that that's never
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  going to leave your mind. That's the idea behind it, the consuming nature of
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  Jesus is not ever going to be a used to. Right.
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  And that's one of the lies that Satan would like to put us in.
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  Okay. Yeah. And so we might pause our discipleship and our growth because we believe a lie.
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  Right. I'm too bad now. I've done something too wrong that God won't.
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  So I'm no longer a Christian. Right.
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  I've turned my back on Christ too big. I'm no longer a Christian.
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  That is something that Satan wants us to believe. Right.
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  And if we allow it to work in our life, it will undermine what Christ would have done in our life.
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  Does it take away salvation? I don't think so. I'd still go back to 1 Corinthians
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  3, 10 through, what was it, 14?
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  And it talks about what are we building on top of Christ.
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  Right. Those things are going to be tested. Right. If they're precious silver,
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  gold, precious stones, or wood, hay, or straw, they're going to be tested.
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  But Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Yeah, I agree with that.
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  But you hear it a lot. Yep. So that's a difficult thing.
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  Well, and I think we hear it probably even more than right now.
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  Now, we have a lot of people who are de-churched, who maybe grew up in church,
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  didn't find it useful, or didn't have the time for it and fell away from church,
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  or were hurt by church things.
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  And so they just don't go anymore. I call those the de-churched.
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  And what we don't realize is, much like the baptism question is,
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  we do need the community of faith to help sharpen us in our faith and to be
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  there to keep us going when things happen that, boy, it's hard. Yeah.
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  And we, we read and we go to Hebrews chapter 10, verse 28. It says, don't give up. Right.
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  Don't give up meeting together as some have already done.
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  There's a, a nudge towards being community and we need the body of Christ.
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  Right. That's first Corinthians chapter 12.
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  We have to be a part of it because the body needs us. Yeah.
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  Agree with that i think there needs to be a little bit more scrutiny let's say
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  it's a different way i'm kind of taking a hard turn here or left turn the sunday
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  school teachers they need to be.
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  Chosen wisely you need to
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  talk to them i found myself at some times you
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  know you get the sheets and the colored and things that the kids bring about
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  from sunday school and they know as you know what to talk about at home and
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  those things never happen and i
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  started to wonder why i was doing that so the stuff
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  is there but you got to know what they're
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  being taught because i've seen way more
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  people be hurt by what happens at church
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  when the adults are learning or
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  worshiping the kids are doing something else and whatever
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  that is is not sticking not sticking all right okay they're not it's not it's
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  not getting in the heads at least as far as i've seen i just know i know a A
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  lot of people that have spoken poorly of the Catholic nuns that they were taught under.
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  And I'm not attacking Catholics or the nuns or anything.
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  It's just a common thing that I've heard multiple stories of.
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  And back then, that's what would happen.
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  There are a lot of churches, a lot of schools, too, that were Catholic schools as well.
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  So, I don't know. They just turned a lot of people away from the faith.
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  And that's why I think that's a very important thing. It is a very important
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  thing. And we had a cultural shift that changes things as well. And so...
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  The church has been slow to make the changes it probably needed to make to be
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  didactically appropriate.
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  In other words, have dynamic teaching. Oh, yeah.
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  And remain a relevant part of people's lives because, well, if I don't like
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  what that preacher says, I'll go over here.
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  Right. And if I don't like what's done there, or if I've been hurt there,
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  I'll do something else. Or if I, I don't have to have church.
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  Right. And that's, that's also been a teaching because I can watch TV and those
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  TV preachers can feed me. Yeah.
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  That is something I know that we've already committed to going long.
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  Cause we got one more question in the bowl and I've got a question for you. Oh, really?
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  It's about the, how do you respond to like a, someone who is saying they're
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  not, they're Christian.
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  They're not really sure what about the Bible they do or don't,
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  you know, believe because Because some of it is, you know, at least this is my idea.
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  It can be kind of tossed by the wayside. It's just old people writing.
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  And they're just not really sure organized religion's the right way to go.
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  Yeah, that's probably the central piece. Right. Okay.
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  And we're deinstitutionalizing many things right now.
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  And so the institution becomes the bad guy.
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  That's not all bad. Right. The thing that will end up happening if we don't
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  if we aren't careful by saying we can't be a part of any institution,
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  then we're going to throw the baby out with the bathwater and realize that there's
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  groups that we should probably for our community.
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  We should probably be a part of some group that is living into our community. Lions Club, our church.
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  We ought to be doing something for our community other than coming out and voting.
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  And I hope we're at least doing that. I mean, we, we talk about the least investment
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  in my community and the most investment of my community. I could be mayor.
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  Least go out and vote then then there's
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  lion's club and and all other things that we
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  could be a part of and the church is one of those yeah that it
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  is living into community but the church hasn't done community
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  well enough no in the past 60 years
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  that but what we could do better right so we
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  write the church off because it's really ineffective yeah and
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  so i can sense this coming
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  generation if it's not making a change in
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  the world i don't want to be part of it right and then
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  if it's an institution just to be an institution i don't want to
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  be part of that either and it's really easy to pick apart an institution say
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  oh well they they believe this well that's that's not mine that's that's not
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  that's what not what i was grown to believe right yeah that's a tricky one it
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  is it really is and we just need to understand where we get our beliefs from yeah if we get it from
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  some strange spot, we need to maybe keep it in check.
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  That's why I guess the lack of Bible literacy bothers me, because people really
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  don't know where in the Bible they get what they believe.
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  And maybe we, well, okay, bottom line, we failed in teaching it.
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  But really, people ought to be just as literate in the Bible as they are on anything else.
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  So when you talk about the people that don't believe in the Bible, I have to ask them why.
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  Because I'm finding the deeper I get in the Bible, the more I believe it not
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  only has context for my Christian faith, but it has context for history. Oh, yeah.
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  Very interesting historical context that's being proven day by day with archaeological
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  finds and even the beginning of the world. Yeah.
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  I'm captivated by that study. Me too. And I don't, this is like one of my big
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  apologetic stances is I don't understand how,
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  you can pick apart the Bible and then throw things out and other and keep other things.
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  Because then I feel like the Bible is no longer authoritative. Right.
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  And if some things are true and some things are not, then it's just up to whoever
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  wants to come along and say, these things are true and these things aren't.
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  How do you know We know that this is the way, this is the right religion even. Right.
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  Boy, if you don't have answers for that, that's hard. And we know,
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  we also know that's going to happen to the church because Paul said it.
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  And his letters to Timothy and Titus allude to a time when people are not going
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  to put up with solid teaching. Right.
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  I mean, I think you can pretty much use that in any age since then.
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  Right. There's always going to be people that aren't going to be.
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  But it's a good way of testing what group you're part of.
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  Right. If they're scratching your itch, why? Right.
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  Right. Is the appropriate itch? as far as
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  like solid teachings go and like you know good ideas and sound
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  rational ideas and unsound things it's i
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  mean if we can't figure those things out
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  boy we're in trouble because i feel like it's super easy like anything
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  said in a presidential debate is i don't
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  feel like it's pretty unsound because it's all just a little clip
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  bites thing it's for an emotional response and out
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  of context often so if it's
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  a if if you're getting an idea across let's say
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  in a tiktok video or a short video and you
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  can do it in one minute you're either the most efficient person ever who and
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  in the world or what you're saying isn't that important you know what i mean
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  yeah or it's wrong or it's wrong or it's wrong that could that could also be
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  true you can get a lie across the world before the truth still lacing up its
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  boots and that's also true that's right.
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  Were you looking something up well all scripture is god breathed but also oh
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  i was finding that there will be terrible times in the last days.
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  People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful,
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  proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy,
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  without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control. It goes on and on.
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  They are the kind that worm their ways into homes, gain control over weak-willed
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  women, and who are loaded down with sins and swayed by all kinds of desires.
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  Desires it just sounds like
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  what we have on going on boy i'd
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  say tiktok and short form videos are yeah a perfect way to get that across yeah
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  yeah so we're gonna go on to the next question boy yeah we really took a hard
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  turn on that one that one was just about salvation being a gift and being able
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  to lose sorry about that yeah we sort of got into it yep all right last question
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  very last Sorry, this one's a little long, guys. It's big.
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  What does it mean to fear the Lord? How does loving God go along with fearing Him?
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  This is from Nate and Mike's small group.
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  Fear in the... Yeah. In some of the translations, you'll find fear as awe.
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  So it's not the kind of fear that you're going to get whooped. It is the awe of...
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  Fear the Lord, how does it, say the question again.
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  What does it mean to fear the Lord? How does loving God go along with fearing him? Okay, yeah.
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  So the fear of the Lord, that could be interpreted as awe of something much
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  bigger and much more powerful than we are and able to whoop us in a moment.
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  Right. And in control of everything. And so we should live in that kind of awe, fear.
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  It's not awe, awe, it's fear. because of what God's power can really do.
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  Understanding that we can love God, that's maintaining a heart that says,
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  okay, this God is really living into my life rather than against my life.
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  I'm amazed at what he's done. I'm amazed at the creation he's put around me,
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  the beauty, and you love God.
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  Most importantly is God sent Jesus
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  jesus to help us understand how we
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  could love him for god so loved the world that
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  he gave his only begotten son because he wants us
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  to love him like we love
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  jesus yeah and we understand this jesus
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  because he came and healed the sick
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  he he gave strength to the lame he taught these principles that we could live
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  by that help us live in contrast to the world around us in a very positive way
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  and live into our communities in ways that change things and is better for other
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  people if we live them out.
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  So that the concept of the New Testament and what God is living into the world
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  through Jesus Christ then derives from us a response of, hey, this God's got us.
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  To the point he would send us this example in Jesus that we not only could learn
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  from, but we could love. Yeah.
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  As if Paul says it in 2 Corinthians 5, redeeming the world unto himself.
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  And the cotton patch version I really like of that passage, God's hugging the world unto himself.
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  How do we respond to that kind of love that would want more for us than we could even imagine?
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  In fact that's ephesians chapter
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  three in that prayer that can do immeasurably
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  more than what we can ask or imagine
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  right that's that's the god we love
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  that's the the jesus we love i agree
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  i think one of those one of those aspects too
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  is just or the analogy i would say is think of a good father hmm I mean this
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  is my this is why we're calling God he and calling him father you know a good
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  father can put you in your place but doesn't want right he wants you to make the right choices yeah.
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  God we're in awe and as a and as a little child maybe
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  seeing your dad you know lift something heavy up or
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  crumble or chop a block of
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  wood could squish me oh yeah that's right he
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  could pick up a whole something you know and you're like
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  and then when he picks the baby up yeah and
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  then holds the baby tight and loves so it's
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  that yeah it's that awe of how powerful
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  they are yet still chooses to to love
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  me even though that's that's
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  well put alex yeah that's well put yeah because yeah
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  you don't want to be spanked but then you also know that he doesn't want to
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  spank you right and god says that over and
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  over i mean i feel like that's a lot of what's in the bible like i i
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  can i remember the last time my dad spanked me
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  and the tears in his eyes yeah yeah yeah so it's a it's a that's what i see
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  with the fear and that's kind of what i showed or told my son from when i said
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  you know teaching the fear of the lord because i read somewhere that that was
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  important what does that mean i go well you know how i'm stronger than you yes yeah.
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  You know have i i could probably spank you pretty
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  good and he's oh yeah yeah i saw you spank reggie
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  once i go that's our dog by the way i go yeah yes i did because he was what
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  he goes eating my dinner off the table i go right he wasn't supposed to do that
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  was he goes no but i love reggie he There it is.
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  But yeah, I didn't make any worlds or create anything, but yeah.
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  Know the love of a father that's right that's right okay yeah
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  that's very good thank you alex we pray this
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  out heavenly father we thank you for the questions that
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  have come we thank you for each one who gave them we pray heavenly father that
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  our conversation has helped someone today understand who you are and and love
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  you more so guide and bless us all this week giving a sense of your peace and
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  your presence in the midst of whatever storm might be coming our way and we pray this in In Jesus'
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  precious name, amen. Amen.
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  Well, everyone, we did it. We got through all the Hillcrest questions.
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  Thanks for sticking with us through all of those. They're great questions.
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  And bring them on. Bring on more questions. Oh, yeah, we got more.
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  Don't worry. We have some more, but just a few.
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  Well, we could use more. We could use more, you guys. And invite us to be part
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  of the conversation. Yeah.
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  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I do have some of the video chunks on the short videos. I saw that.
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  And it is, I found it to be a little difficult to get us to make a short little point.
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  It's hard to get a preacher to make a short point, huh? Yeah.
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  60 seconds short to the, boy, it usually ends up leading somewhere. So it's fine. I'm sorry.
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  Every once in a while I get lucky. So check those out. TikTok,
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  YouTube, they're all shorts and Facebook shorts too.
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  So, I mean, register kids for vacation school. Bible school.
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  Yes. We'll be there. All right. Well, thanks everyone for joining us.
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  We'll see you all next week. Lord willing. Bye.
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  Thanks again for joining us for this week's episode. We are both having a ton
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  of fun making these videos and episodes.
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  And if you're having fun too, please tell a friend about this and help us to
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  grow this mission. Thank you and God bless.