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The Amazing True-Crime Story Behind the New Film 'Roofman' · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the deep dive. Today, we are jumping into
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  a true crime story that honestly sounds like it was
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  written for the movies. It's the wild Tale of Jeffrey Manchester.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, the guy they called the roof Man down
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  in the Carolinas.
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  Speaker 1: And his story is just it's got this blend of
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  like meticulous planning, almost military.
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  Speaker 2: Precision, uh huh, but also this real sense of desperation,
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  you know, a guy whose life is kind of falling apart.
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  Speaker 1: Our sources really paint this picture of an ordinary man
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  sort of becoming this extraordinary.
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  Speaker 2: Fugitive yeah, and ending up hiding well basically living inside
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  an adult playground.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that detail alone is why we have to do
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  this deep dive. The fact that he spent six months,
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  six months undetected, living inside a busy toys r us
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  in Charlotte, North Carolina.
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  Speaker 2: It just bobbles the mind. It sounds completely impossible, like
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  a game of hide and seek taken to the absolute extreme.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, this whole story is bubbling up again
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  because there's a movie coming out in twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 2: Roufman, directed by Derek kan Frantz, starring Channing Tatum as Manchester.
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  Speaker 1: Right, and seeing someone like Tatum take on this role,
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  it makes you want to go back and look at
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  the actual facts. Yeah, yeah, what really happened.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, And we know the film, like any film, is
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  a dramatization. Seeing Friends himself said that, but.
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  Speaker 1: He also emphasized that the core stuff, the rooftop entries
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  hiding in the store, that's all based on solid research.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, even conversations he had directly with Manchester while he
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  was in prison, hours of talks.
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  Speaker 1: So the reality might actually be stranger than the movie
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  version could very well be.
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  Speaker 2: And the sources we have, I mean they range from
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  detailed police reports on his methods and escapes to psychological
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  profiles trying to figure out what made him tick high IQ,
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  but also the self defeating patterns.
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  Speaker 1: So our mission for you, the listener, is to really
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  get past those flashy headlines. We want to trace Manchester's
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  path from an army sergeant to this ghost in a.
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  Speaker 2: Toy store and trying to understand what pushes someone you
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  know to completely derail their own life like that when
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  ordered collapses into pure chaos.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's start at the beginning. To really get the roofmen,
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  you have to understand the man before the roof definitely.
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  Speaker 2: Jeffrey Allen Manchester born nineteen seventy one. Grew up in Pennsylvania,
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  working class background.
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  Speaker 1: Not exactly the start you'd expect for a master criminal.
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  He actually looked for structure early on, didn't.
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  Speaker 2: He He did, joined the US Army Reserve, became a
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  non commissioned officer in NCO.
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  Speaker 1: And that wasn't just punching a clock. He learned specific
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  skills there, oh yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Highly disciplined skills, logistics, detailed planning.
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  Speaker 1: Marksmanship, marksmanship, Okay, that's a key piece later.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, these are the very skills that ironically became the
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  foundation for his criminal career.
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  Speaker 1: So what happens. He gets out honorably discharged, right.
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  Speaker 2: But then he hits that wall a lot of veterans face.
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  The skills that were valued in the military don't always
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  translate to good paychecks in the civilian world.
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  Speaker 1: And the pressure starts building.
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  Speaker 2: Immense pressure, Yeah, financial trouble. His marriage starts to unravel.
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  Bill's piling up. He just felt this overwhelming sense of desperation,
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  like he couldn't provide, especially for his daughter.
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  Speaker 1: And that feeling, that failure, that's the catalyst.
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  Speaker 2: It seems to be around the late nineties. That's when
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  things shift. It starts small, maybe petty theft, but it
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  escalates quickly armed robbery. But here's the thing. He wasn't
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  your typical stick up guy running into a convenience store.
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  Speaker 1: No, this is where the army training comes back in.
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  But twisted exactly.
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  Speaker 2: He developed this signature method hism. He realized the weak point.
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  Speaker 1: Wasn't the front door, it was the roof.
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  Speaker 2: Precisely, especially on these big commercial buildings, strip malls, fast
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  food places, maintenance isn't always top notch up there.
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  Speaker 1: So he starts pioneering this rooftop technique.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he'd scout a place first, sometimes for days, watching
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  the routines, learning the patterns. Then under cover of darkness,
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  he'd scale the.
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  Speaker 1: Building using his recon skills. And he didn't just smash
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  a skylight, oh.
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  Speaker 2: No, much more surgical than that. He used power tools, drills,
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  often stuff he'd boosted from hardware store somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: Else, ah, covering his tracks even then.
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  Speaker 2: Right, and he cut a really precise hole in the roof,
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  just big enough to drop through undetected, usually long after closing.
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  Speaker 1: Becoming this kind of phantom across the southeast. How many
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  places did he hit?
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  Speaker 2: Sources say over thirty locations between ninety eight and two thousand,
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  North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia.
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  Speaker 1: And almost all of them were McDonald's. Why McDonald's seems
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  like low reward.
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  Speaker 2: For high risk predictability. That's the military planner again. McDonald's
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  layouts are standardized globally.
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  Speaker 1: Ah okay, so he knew exactly where this safe would be,
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  the manager's office.
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  Speaker 2: The ventilation shafts doesn't matter if he's in Charlotte or Richmond.
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  The basic blueprint is the same, reduces the variables.
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  Speaker 1: I remember reading about one heist, I think Greenville, South Carolina,
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  where the employee saw him coming out of the vents.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the infamous one. He apparently used ropes and harnesses,
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  repelled down the ventilation system right into the back kitchen.
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  Speaker 1: Like something out of a movie.
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  Speaker 2: Like a ninja is how one employee described it. Terrifying
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  but also incredibly controlled.
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  Speaker 1: And the descriptions of him always masked, all black gloves, hood,
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  but calm, eurally calm.
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  Speaker 2: That was his key psychological weapon. He never got physically violent.
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  Speaker 1: According to all reports, didn't need to be.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, the dramatic entrance the gun, this unwavering stare he
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  apparently had. People just complied instantly.
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  Speaker 1: But still the money only five hundred dollars maybe two
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  thousand dollars a pop. It doesn't add up to a
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  big score.
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  Speaker 2: No, it wasn't about getting rich quick. He later called
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  it paternal desperation.
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  Speaker 1: Paternal desperation.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, he told investigators. I did it for her, meaning
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  his daughter. He was trying to scrape together enough cash
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  to maybe fight for custody, pay bills, just maintain some
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  semblance of being a provider even through crime.
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  Speaker 1: Trying to buy back the life he felt he'd lost.
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  Speaker 2: Essentially. Yeah, but that first crime spree it ended pretty suddenly.
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  May twentieth, two thousand, in Belmont, North Carolina, the.
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  Speaker 1: McDonald's job went wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, something went sideways, led to a high speed chase.
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  But when they cornered him, he just.
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  Speaker 1: Gave up, no fight, and the evidence piled up.
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  Speaker 2: His fingerprints connected him to the whole string of robberies
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  across three states. He pled guilty, and the sentence crushing
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  forty five years. The judge threw the book at him,
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  recognizing the planning and.
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  Speaker 1: Terror involved forty five years and where do they send him?
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  Speaker 2: Brown Creek Correctional Institution in Polton, North Carolina, which is
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  kind of ironic because it was actually a low security facility.
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  Speaker 1: A mismatch for someone with his skills, a big mistake.
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  It turns out.
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  Speaker 2: A huge mistake.
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  Speaker 1: So he gets this forty five year sentence. He's only
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  twenty nine. That's basically life.
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  Speaker 2: Pretty much, and for five years he seems like a
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  model inmate. Quiet kept his head down.
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  Speaker 1: But he gets a signed to the prison's industrial machine shop.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the key access not just to materials, but
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  to tools. He wasn't just doing his time, he was planning.
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  Speaker 1: Planning the escape. This is where his Army logistics training
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  really kicks into high gear again.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, It's an incredible example of exploiting the system from within.
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  Over months, hiding his work among regular prison.
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  Speaker 1: Jobs, he builds something.
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  Speaker 2: He builds his escape vehicle, essentially a custom wooden board
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  about the size of a person, a.
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  Speaker 1: Human sized shelf they called it, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And he reinforces it with scrap metal he scavenges from
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  broken equipment in the shop, welding bolting it together.
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  Speaker 1: How did he even hide something like that?
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  Speaker 2: Piece by piece? He'd hide components in lumber stacks inside machinery,
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  and he painted the.
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  Speaker 1: Whole thing black camouflage for going underneath.
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  Speaker 2: The vehicle exactly. He made it aerodynamic or at least
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  as flat and inconspicuous as possible, only assembled it right
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  before he made his move.
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  Speaker 1: The level of planning is just staggering, and the.
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  Speaker 2: Risk unbelievable risk. June fifteenth, two thousand and four, a
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  routine supply truck is in the loading bay, and he
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  makes his move, slips out during some kind of distraction,
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  gets himself to the truck. He'd smuggled bungee cords out somehow,
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  baby hidden in his clothes probably or maybe a lunch box,
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  and he straps himself and this board tightly underneath.
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  Speaker 1: The truck's chassis and then just hold on.
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  Speaker 2: Holds on for dear life for twenty miles, dangling just
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  inches off the road, wind debris, the constant fear of
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  being seen or the straps breaking. It must have been terrifying.
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  Speaker 1: Twenty miles. He finally detaches somewhere.
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  Speaker 2: Remote, yeah, at a quarry where the truck was making
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  a drop off, slips away, and just like that he's
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  the first person to ever escape Brown Creek.
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  Speaker 1: The manhunt must have been massive to be looking for
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  an outdoorsman, right, someone hiding in the woods.
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  Speaker 2: That was the assumption. But Manchester was smarter than that.
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  He went the opposite direction, headed south towards density, toward
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  Charlotte Irving cover Right. He ends up broke looking rough
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  in the University City area, and he finds this perfect spot,
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  the big strip mall, anchored by a massive toys r
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  us and crucially right next door a recently closed vacant
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  circuit city.
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  Speaker 1: The perfect urban hiding ground. Yeah, and he picks the
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  toy store first.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost poetic. In a dark way, he finds
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  a loose panel in a back storage room. Prize it open,
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  carves out of space meticulously, just big enough him to
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  curl up in, hidden behind shelves piled high with toys.
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  For weeks, nobody knew he.
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  Speaker 1: Was there, living inside a scene. What was it like?
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  Speaker 2: Surreal? It was a life lived entirely at night. During
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  the day, he'd be squeezed into that tiny space, or
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  maybe hiding in vents under displays, absolutely silent, motionless while
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  shoppers walked.
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  Speaker 1: Just feet away, thousands of people.
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  Speaker 2: Unbelievable. But when the store closed. It became his kingdom.
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  He had the run of the place.
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  Speaker 1: What did he do?
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  Speaker 2: Sources say he'd ride the display bikes around the aisles
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  for exercise quietly.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, Okay, that's an image.
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  Speaker 2: And for food, Pilford's stuff, baby food, jars, kids cereals,
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  energy bars, whatever he could grab without leaving obvious gaps.
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  Speaker 1: A strange, almost childlike existence.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like a weird, desperate regression, surrounded by toys eating
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  baby food, and the sounds and smells, that constant hum
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  of the lights, the smell of plastic.
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  Speaker 1: And he wasn't just lucky he used tech, didn't he?
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  Speaker 2: He did. He managed to get his hands on some baby.
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  Speaker 1: Monitors, The baby monitors, the irony right.
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  Speaker 2: He set them up near the employee break rooms and offices.
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  He could eavesdrop, learn their schedules, know exactly when they
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  were coming and going. Timed his movements perfectly.
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  Speaker 1: But then the holidays approach December, toys r Us is
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  about to get crazy busy.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly the risk of discovery skyrockets. He realizes he needs
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  a more secure location, so he moves next door to
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  the empty circuit city. It was like this dusty electronic
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  tomb but it offered more space, more privacy.
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  Speaker 1: How did he get in?
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  Speaker 2: Found a way through the shared wall between the two stores,
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  maybe broke through dry wall in a utility.
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  Speaker 1: Space and sets up shop there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, creates a little bachelor pad as the reports called it,
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  under a stairwell, more permanent.
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  Speaker 1: And this is where he starts trying to make it livable.
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  Speaker 2: In a way. Use scavenged paint brushes maybe left behind
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  to paint the walls, taped up superhero posters he probably
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  took from the toy.
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  Speaker 1: Store, trying to create some semblance of a home.
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  Speaker 2: And his entertainment a DVD player also likely boosted, hooked
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  up to some Pilford discs.
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  Speaker 1: And the movie he watched over and over Catch Me
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  if you can. You couldn't make this stuff up. A
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  master escape artist in thief, hiding out watching a movie
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  about another legendary con artist.
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  Speaker 2: The irony is just profound, and ultimately that detail becomes
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  incredibly important.
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  Speaker 1: So he's hiding out, but just surviving isn't enough. He
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  needs more.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the isolation must have been a Vin's Remember he
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  had that army background discipline, but he's also human.
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  Speaker 1: He craves connection, so he creates an alias.
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  Speaker 2: John Zorn builds this backstory, bit of Army history mixed in,
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  but mostly portraying himself as just a drifter trying to
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  get back on his feet.
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  Speaker 1: And he tries to blend in.
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  Speaker 2: Starts volunteering at a local church, trying to seem normal,
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  maybe even seeking some kind of redemption, trying to build
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  a legitimate identity.
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  Speaker 1: And this is how he meets the Wayne Scott right early.
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  Speaker 2: Two thousand and five. She's a divorced mom with two kids,
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  and this relationship, it becomes central. It's his big chance,
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  he thinks to get back that family life he lost.
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  Speaker 1: How does he win her over with.
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  Speaker 2: This quiet charm, this story of being a bit lost
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  but having a good heart. She saw someone maybe needing a.
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  Speaker 1: Second chance, and he saw stability, a future exactly a
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  chance to rebuild. But it's crucial to note here, especially
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  thinking about the movie. Yeah, the real Lana Scott did
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  not work at the toys Arras, that's a movie invention.
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  Their relationship developed completely separately from his secret hideout.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that's an important distinction, But the relationship itself creates
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  a new problem for it.
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  Speaker 1: A huge one. Maintaining this John Zorn persona dating acting normal,
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  it costs money money he doesn't have, not legally anyway.
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  Speaker 2: And this is where his old habits, his core programming
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  kicks back in. He can't sustain normal life without resorting
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  to the criminal one.
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  Speaker 1: The Roofman resurfaces.
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  Speaker 2: In smaller ways at first, boosting wallets at the mall,
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  maybe some minor scams, just enough cash to keep the
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  facade going, pay for dates, gas, maybe a cheap motel
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  room sometimes so he doesn't always have to sneak back
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  to the circuit city.
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  Speaker 1: But he starts casing businesses again. Too right, the old
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  instincs are firing up.
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  Speaker 2: They are the pressure is building, and it leads him
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  to make a really bold, maybe arrogant move.
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  Speaker 1: Boxing Day, December twenty sixth, two thousand and.
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  Speaker 2: Four, he decides to rob the toys Are Us his
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  own sanctuary?
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  Speaker 1: Why was he that desperate for cash or was it
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  just hubris proving he still could.
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  Speaker 2: Probably a bit both. The store would be full of
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  holiday cash. He knew the layout better than anyone. He
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  slips in before dawn, bypasses security, gets to.
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  Speaker 1: The office safe and gets away with it.
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  Speaker 2: He gets the cash, thousands of dollars, but this time
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  something goes wrong. Two night shift employees spot him. They
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  don't confront him, they do the smart thing, run out
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  and call nine one, so the police.
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  Speaker 1: Are on their way while he's still inside or just leaving.
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  Speaker 2: Right as he's making his escape, siren's closing in. He
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  gets away, but the heat is immediately on that specific
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  toys are us.
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  Speaker 1: But the real mistake, the one that brings it all
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  crashing down. Yeah, it wasn't the robbery itself.
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  Speaker 2: No, it was something simple, something careless left behind in
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  his Circuit City layer. The fingerprint, a single perfect fingerprint
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  left on.
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  Speaker 1: The DVD case of Catch Me If You Can.
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  Speaker 2: You just can't write fiction this bizarre. That print gets
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  lifted during the investigation of the hideout next door, which
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  police check because of the connection, and.
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  Speaker 1: It's an instant match in the system to Jeffrey Manchester,
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  the escaped fugitive BINGO.
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  Speaker 2: The police now know exactly who robbed the toys are Us,
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  and more importantly, where he'd been living right next door.
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  Speaker 1: The raid on the Circuit City hideout must have been
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  a media frenzy.
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  Speaker 2: Oh totally finding his makeshift home, the painted walls, the
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  superhero posters, the baby food that Catch Me if you
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  can DVD. It turned him into this instant folk villain,
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  the guy living a kid's fantasy in a toy store.
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  Speaker 1: He knows the jig is up. What does he do?
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  Speaker 2: He flees to a motel and he makes one last.
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  Speaker 1: Call to Lee Wayne Scott Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Breaks down, confesses everything, his real name, the escape, the robberies,
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  the months of deception.
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  Speaker 1: How'd you react?
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  Speaker 2: Initially? Shock maybe tried to process it, maybe even protect
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  him briefly. But the police trace the call to her
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  number almost immediately.
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  Speaker 1: And they convinced her to help.
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  Speaker 2: They did. It must have been an incredibly difficult position
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  for her. She agreed to lure him to her house,
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  pretending she wanted to talk, maybe help him.
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  Speaker 1: So he walks into a trap.
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  Speaker 2: Completely January fifth, two thousand and five, he shows up
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  at her doorstep. Swat teams descend instantly, no resistance this
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  time either, none cuffed on the spot, he reportedly said later,
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  reflecting on it. It was over before it.
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  Speaker 1: Started, and the legal hammer comes down hard.
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  Speaker 2: This time, much harder. Extradited back to North Carolina, hit
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  with a raft of new charges. Escape, the toys, r
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  us robbery, breaking and entering, even arson for a small
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  fire he'd set earlier somewhere to cover his tracks.
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  Speaker 1: I'm the sentence another thirty.
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  Speaker 2: One years piled onto his existing forty.
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  Speaker 1: Five So over seventy six years total.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, At thirty four years old, Jeffrey Manchester was basically
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  told he would never see the outside world again.
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  Speaker 1: After that recapture, the prison system wasn't taking any more.
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  Speaker 2: Chances, absolutely not. He was immediately classified as a higher
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  risk inmate medium to high, and they started moving him
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  around frequently.
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  Speaker 1: Why move him and keep him off balance exactly?
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  Speaker 2: Bounce him between different facilities like Marion Correctional, disrupt any
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  escape plans he might be hatching, prevent him from forming
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  alliances or getting too familiar with the routines of any
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  one place.
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  Speaker 1: And they took away his access to tools right that
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  machine shop privilege.
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  Speaker 2: Was gone, gone completely Deliberately. They knew his mind and
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  his hands were his danger zones, so they assigned him
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  the most menial tasks possible, like what laundry duty, kitchen cleanup,
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  anything repetitive, anything that kept him away from metal, wood, machinery,
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  deliberate drudgery to try and stifle that inventive stark.
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  Speaker 1: How did he handle that did he just shut down.
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  Speaker 2: He became more of a loner, definitely, but his mind
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  didn't shut down. Denied physical tools, he sharpened his mental ones,
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  waiting voraciously, especially true crime escape stories, survival manuals, and
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  sources say he filled notebooks, probably smuggled with detailed theoretical
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  escape plans, blueprints drawn from memory and imagination. His mind
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  was still trying to break free.
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  Speaker 1: And incredibly, he did try to break free again, even
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  with the increased security.
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  Speaker 2: He did. The defiance didn't just vanish that two thousand
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  and nine attempt at Marion. That's the stuff of prison legend.
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  The tunnel, the tunnel with no proper tools, just sharpened spoons,
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  maybe bits of metal bar He had an accompliced dug
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  of fifteen foot tunnel under their cell block floor.
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  Speaker 1: Fifteen feet with spoons. That's insane dedication.
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  Speaker 2: Months of painstaking, silent work. How they weren't caught sooner
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  is amazing.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: How did they get caught?
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  Speaker 2: Guards eventually detected faint vibrations during a security suite, tiny
• 18:07
  scraping sounds. They investigated and found the tunnel entrance hidden
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  under a bunk.
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  Speaker 1: What did the analysis say about that?
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: His mindset well, reports noted his high IQ around one
• 18:18
  hundred and twenty five, but psychologists called it magical thinking.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Magical thinking, What does that mean here?
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: It's this belief often seen in repeat offenders that because
• 18:28
  you pulled off something incredible once, like his truck escape,
• 18:31
  you can do it again through sheer willpower, even when
• 18:34
  the odds are way way worse. He thought he was
• 18:37
  just that good that he could beat the system again.
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  Speaker 1: What was the punishment for the tunnel?
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Thirty days in solitary, the whole.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: But even that didn't fully extinguish the escape attempts.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Yip years later, twenty seventeen, during a routine prisoner transfer
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  between facilities.
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  Speaker 1: He tried again.
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  Speaker 2: How he managed to stitch together a guard's uniform out
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  of scraps he got from the prison laundry resourceful d
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  His plan was to just slip onto the staff transport
• 19:03
  vand during the chaos of the transfer did almost work.
• 19:07
  He got close, but technology stopped him. He couldn't fool
• 19:10
  the biometric scanner at the van checkpoint. Immediate mismatch alarm
• 19:15
  went off.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, foiled by a fingerprint scanner essentially.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Or palm print whatever it was. Modern security versus old
• 19:22
  school ingenuity.
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  Speaker 1: Why did he try that time? What was the stated reason?
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Desperation again but different. He said it was about his daughter.
• 19:29
  She was a strange graduation was coming up. He just
• 19:32
  desperately wanted to see her, to be there. Time felt
• 19:35
  like it was running out.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: That attempt landed him into restrictive housing for six months.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's when he apparently picked up the nickname
• 19:42
  Ghost among other inmates for his past exploits, his elusiveness.
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  Speaker 1: But since about twenty eighteen, things seem to have stabilized.
• 19:50
  Location wise.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, he's been at Central Prison in Raleigh, maximum security,
• 19:55
  the Hill they call it, and.
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  Speaker 1: This place, maybe the sheer possibility of escape there seems
• 20:02
  to have shifted something in him.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: It appears so Central Prison is all about intense, routine,
• 20:07
  constant surveillance. Escape seems truly off the table, and maybe
• 20:11
  finally that forced him to turn his focus.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Inward, applying that disciple differently.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Right, and ironically, they assigned him to the woodworking shop.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: There woodworking after escaping using a wooden board.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: The irony isn't lost, But maybe it was therapeutic building
• 20:27
  things instead of planning destruction. He makes furniture for state offices.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Now and there's evidence of real change, yeah, beyond just
• 20:35
  following the.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Rules, significant evidence. According to prison records, he completed cognitive
• 20:40
  behavioral therapy CBT back in twenty nineteen.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Which focuses on changing thought patterns, right, not.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Just behavior exactly, identifying those destructive cycles like the magical thinking, learning,
• 20:53
  emotional regulations, setting realistic goals.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: And he's putting it into practice. He is.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: He's become a mentor to younger inmates, uses his old
• 21:02
  army discipline techniques, structure, communication, respect, but now to steer
• 21:06
  guys away from gangs, help them manage anger.
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  Speaker 1: Has the system recognized this?
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: They have. He's earned a low recidivism risk notation. That's
• 21:14
  a big deal. And personally any reconciliation, yes, slowly through letters,
• 21:19
  He's rebuilt a relationship.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: With his daughter that must mean everything to him.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: You'd have to assume so. And surprisingly, Leaywayne Scott started
• 21:27
  visiting occasionally.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Again really after everything apparently.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Yes, sparked maybe by all the renewed interests because of
• 21:34
  the movie being developed. A strange full circle.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Which brings us to his current legal situation that seventy
• 21:40
  six year sentence might not be the final word correct.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: In July twenty twenty five, he filed a petition under
• 21:46
  a North Carolina law called the Second Look Act.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Okay, break that down for us. What does the Second
• 21:51
  Look Act do.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: It's a relatively recent law, House Bill five eighty nine.
• 21:55
  It allows inmates who've served a long time, especially for
• 21:58
  nonviolent or property crimes, and who can show significant rehabilitation
• 22:02
  and a clean prison record for a sustained period.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Like Manchester has since twenty eighteen.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Exactly, it allows them to ask a judge to literally
• 22:10
  take a second look at their original sentence. The judge
• 22:12
  can review the case, consider the rehabilitation, and potentially modify
• 22:16
  the sentence, maybe grant earlier parole eligibility.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: So this is his one real shot.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: It seems to be based on his record since twenty eighteen,
• 22:24
  the therapy, the mentoring. He might have a case, but
• 22:28
  if it fails, then his projected release date remains December fourth,
• 22:32
  twenty thirty six. He'd be sixty five years old.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: The Rufman story was always going to be compelling, but
• 22:37
  Hollywood definitely kicks it into another gear, no doubt.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Derek ci Entrance, the director, He's known for these intense
• 22:43
  character studies exploring flawed masculinity. He optioned the rights in
• 22:48
  twenty twenty.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Three, and the actually met with Manchester.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Spent considerable time talking with him in prison. Siin France
• 22:54
  was quoted saying something like, Jeff's not a monster, He's
• 22:57
  a mosaic of mistakes.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: That fits san France's style finding the humanity and damaged
• 23:02
  people totally.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: And the production itself sounds like they tried hard to
• 23:06
  capture the weird reality of it filmed in Atlanta, but
• 23:08
  built sets to mimic the Charlotte locations.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: And the toys. I read they brought in thousands of
• 23:13
  real toys.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like ten thousand actual toys to recreate that specific toys.
• 23:18
  R us environment, the scale, the magic, as stem France
• 23:22
  put it, but also the clutter he hid within.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: And Channing Tatum as Manchester good casting.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Potentially he has that physical presence, the charm, but can
• 23:31
  also show the underlying turmoil. And Kirsten Dunst playing Leewayne Scott,
• 23:36
  Critics say she brings a real emotional weight to the
• 23:39
  story of the person deceived.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: The film seems to be walking this fine line totally. Yeah.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Reports say it blends dark humor because the situation is
• 23:47
  inherently absurd, with real sadness and desperation. Someone compared it
• 23:52
  to catch me if you can meeting toy story but
• 23:54
  with genuine heartbreak.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: How do they keep it from just glorifying him?
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Apparently? The end credits play a big role. They include
• 24:01
  actual photos of Manchester, maybe, news clippings, and even voiceover
• 24:05
  recordings from both him and Leu Wayne Scott.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Reflecting on it all, grounding the movie fantasy back in
• 24:09
  the real.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Consequences exactly, connecting it back to the lives impacted.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: So thinking about the legacy, why does this story stick
• 24:17
  with us two decades later?
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: I think partly because nobody died. His crimes were about
• 24:22
  theft and escape, not violence. That makes him a figure
• 24:25
  you can sort of grapple with without the revulsion of
• 24:27
  a murderer. An anti hero maybe perhaps, And his story
• 24:31
  taps into bigger themes, doesn't it. The veterans struggling to adapt,
• 24:35
  the pressure of poverty, the length someone will go to
• 24:38
  for family even if it destroys them, and.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: That toys are us hide out. It's such a powerful symbol.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: It really is loss of innocence. Maybe yeah, a desperate
• 24:49
  attempt to hide within a childhood fantasy land while his
• 24:52
  adult life was in ruins. It's tragic and bizarre all
• 24:55
  at once.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: The story and probably the film too. It forces you to.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Ask if questions definitely villain, victim of circumstance, or just
• 25:04
  someone who made spectacularly bad choices with unusual ingenuity. There's
• 25:08
  no easy answer.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's recap this wild journey. Yeah, Jeffrey Manchester goes
• 25:12
  from this disciplined soldier.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: To the meticulous roofman robbing McDonald's from above.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: And the audacious escapee clinging to the bottom.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Of a truck, and finally the phantom of the toy store,
• 25:21
  living undetected for.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Months until his own habits, and maybe that touch of
• 25:25
  magical thinking brought him down right.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: And now his story is shifting again. It's become one
• 25:30
  of resilience, maybe, but forged inside prison.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Walls, where that defiance, that constant plotting, seems to have
• 25:37
  finally given way to reflection acceptance.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: It looks that way. He went from digging tunnels with
• 25:43
  spoons to mentoring other inmates, using his skills for something constructive. Finally,
• 25:48
  he talks about the fear I caused, which suggests real remorse.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: So as he waits for that second look. Hearing his
• 25:54
  story really puts the spotlight on that tension between crime
• 25:57
  and redemption.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: How much can someone truly each change and when does
• 26:01
  the justice system acknowledge that change?
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Which leads us to that final provocative thought for you,
• 26:06
  our listeners. Manchester tried to fix his life by becoming
• 26:10
  the Roofman, this dramatic criminal reinvention. He sought control through chaos.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: So the question is what does a person have to
• 26:19
  burn down their freedom, their family, their own identity to
• 26:22
  achieve that kind of extreme self defined existence. And when
• 26:26
  that performance inevitably fails, as it did for Manchester, what's
• 26:29
  actually left of the person underneath?
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Something to think about, what remains when the mask finally
• 26:34
  comes off, not by choice but by capture.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: We'll leave that with you until next time on the
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  deep Dive. Keep digging