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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of the Silk and Stilled podcast
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Speaker 1: Chinese history series, where we talk about Chinese history from
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Speaker 1: the deepest antiquity to what we automistically hope will one
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Speaker 1: day be the present day thereabouts. In our present day,
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Speaker 1: we are living through this kind of on and off
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Speaker 1: war right where the where war continues and then it
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Speaker 1: stops momentarily and all sorts of declarations of imminent peace
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Speaker 1: negotiations are made by at least by one side, and
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Speaker 1: then it kind of starts again. And this is not
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Speaker 1: entirely new. Maybe the level of nonsense we're living through
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Speaker 1: now is kind of a historical particularity, but this basic
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Speaker 1: pattern where someone wants to fight and the other and
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Speaker 1: then someone else is trying to basically put it off,
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Speaker 1: is not so new. And we are actually going to
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Speaker 1: talk about one of these instances near the end of
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Speaker 1: the Chin dynasty, as the League of Rebel Leaders has
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Speaker 1: now successfully overthrown the Chin Empire and now comes the
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Speaker 1: matter of divvying up the spoils. Because the guy who,
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Speaker 1: according to the proclamation of the titular leader of the rebellion,
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Speaker 1: the re enthroned the King of True Guy, was just
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Speaker 1: a shepherd but he's descended from the royal family of Truth,
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Speaker 1: so I guess they made him king for the legitimacy
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Speaker 1: reasons at the time, Leobogi, he made it into Guandron first,
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Speaker 1: and so technically he should be the king of all Guandron,
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Speaker 1: all the former Chin territory. But this is not gonna,
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Speaker 1: you know, go overwhelm with the guy who commands the
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Speaker 1: most actual military authority and prestige showing you. And we
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Speaker 1: were already talking about how this matters are coming to
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Speaker 1: a head. But once again I am the perpetual guest
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Speaker 1: to JJ, and joining us from Shanghai, China this time
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Speaker 1: is Karl ja He carl Son, Hey.
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Speaker 2: JJ, thanks for that lovely into. As always, I am
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Speaker 2: broadcasting from life from Shanghai, your hometown, and we apparently
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Speaker 2: are able to do it without VPN, So it's good
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Speaker 2: we're doing the we're in the China compliance mode, and
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Speaker 2: but we are now diving right back into ancient history. Uh.
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Speaker 2: In the year two O seven BC, this was a
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Speaker 2: momentous year. The Qin dynasty was overthrown, ending fifteen years
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Speaker 2: of Qing dynasty rule over all China, but also more
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Speaker 2: than five hundred years of the Chin State War, and
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Speaker 2: as you mentioned before, there was a claus you know,
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Speaker 2: issued by the nominal head of the rebel alliance, King
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Speaker 2: White of Tu, who said, whoever makes into the chin
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Speaker 2: Hartland overthrow the Qing dynasty will be the king of Chin.
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Speaker 2: And that person happened to be Duobang. Yet you know,
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Speaker 2: the person that did most of the fight into actually
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Speaker 2: overturn Ding dynasty Shangi, and now shang Yui is at
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Speaker 2: head of four hundred thousand rebel Alliance troops. They also
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Speaker 2: broke into Guangzon. Shang Yu was particularly incense because when
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Speaker 2: they first came to the gate of the chin Hartland
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Speaker 2: at the past famous pass of Hangu, they found the
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Speaker 2: gate closed and the defender said, we're under the order
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Speaker 2: of Lord Pei, which is Niubang, not to allow any
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Speaker 2: outside army to come in. So the shang Yu was
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Speaker 2: very pissed off, and he ordered his general Imbu and
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Speaker 2: Pu jiangjuin to lead a surprise attack by finding a
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Speaker 2: shortcut around the mountains to take the pass from the back.
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Speaker 2: And now they're poised to attack Niubang's main forces, which
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Speaker 2: number over one hundred thousand it, you know, so the
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Speaker 2: the force differential is quite great. It's like four to one,
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Speaker 2: and plus that shang Yu's force is actually battle hard
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Speaker 2: from just recently defeated the Ching Elite forces in the
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Speaker 2: Battle of ju and Uh and confronted this situation, Uh
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Speaker 2: you know, Nil Bounce advisor Zangyian asked him, do you
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Speaker 2: think you have what it takes to take on Shangui's army.
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Speaker 2: Bouns like no, not a chance, zandias like okay, then
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Speaker 2: we we better make up a plan B. And it
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Speaker 2: just so happens that shiang UI's uncle, hiang Bu is
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Speaker 2: a very good friend with Zangiang because Zaian saved his
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Speaker 2: life previously, And so Shambo rode into Uh the Bounce
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Speaker 2: camp in the middle of the night to warn his
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Speaker 2: friend Zangian to to to leave before hiang Ui is
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Speaker 2: about to launch his attack. Changu had ordered his troops
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Speaker 2: to feast and prepare for a morning attack on Lubuan's forces,
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Speaker 2: and Shambo Shambu Shau's uncle, sneaked away the night before
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Speaker 2: toward Zangian said like, you know, this is your chance
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Speaker 2: to get away before things get ugly. But Dan Yeung said, well,
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Speaker 2: I I was sent here by Mike King, King of
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Speaker 2: Han to assist Lord of pay Dubang. If I were
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Speaker 2: to leave without leaving any notice, I would be betraying
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Speaker 2: not only my lord, not only my lord the King
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Speaker 2: of Han, but also my good friend Liubam. So please
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Speaker 2: allow me to bid farewell to the Ubang. And that's
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Speaker 2: that's the chance where Zangiam made that conversation with Duban,
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Speaker 2: like what do you want to do? Neil Ban's like,
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Speaker 2: please tell me what can I do? And Zanian's like, okay,
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Speaker 2: I got this guy Shambu. He's a he's a head
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Speaker 2: of the Shang family now right after the passing away
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Speaker 2: of Shang Yu's uncle Shang Yuan. Now he's a very
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Speaker 2: important person. We should try to win him over. You know,
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Speaker 2: he's already my best friend, and this is your chance
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Speaker 2: to make your best impression and get him on your side.
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Speaker 2: So Dubank did exactly that. He invited Champo into his camp.
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Speaker 2: They hold a feast for him, and Duban explains all
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Speaker 2: a big misunderstanding. He has no intention of seizing all
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Speaker 2: the land and the treasure for himself. He was in
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Speaker 2: fact holding them in anticipation of coming of Shani. And
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Speaker 2: he further more to propose a marital alliance where Dubang's
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Speaker 2: daughter will marry the son of Shampu. So Champo then
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Speaker 2: went back to the camp of Shani where he reported
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Speaker 2: to Shangu what Dubank has said. And he actually told
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Speaker 2: and he also, you know, put his own two cents.
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Speaker 2: He said, look, if he wasn't for uh Dubang.
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Speaker 1: Uh.
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Speaker 2: You know, Dubank did a great thing, you know by
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Speaker 2: actually overturning the Qin dynasty. He has not committed any crimes.
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Speaker 2: If you go after him, you will look bad for us.
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Speaker 2: And he's willing to submit without bloodshed. This is good
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Speaker 2: for all of us. You know, you win without fighting, uh,
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Speaker 2: you know, and you will look good on all sides.
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Speaker 2: So Shaun agreed and next morning Dubang picked one hundred
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Speaker 2: of his most trusted men, including his wife's brother in
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Speaker 2: law fun Kuai acting as a captain of his bodyguard
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Speaker 2: Uh and his best and his good buddies Shaho Yin
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Speaker 2: who one time went to jail for him. So all
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Speaker 2: these men that Nuban could trust, plus his adviser Zong Young,
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Speaker 2: they made a They made a beeline for Shanis camp.
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Speaker 2: There is about ten kilometers separating and Shase camp at
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Speaker 2: that point five or ten kilometers. And then when Uban
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Speaker 2: enters a camp in immediately he bowed to Shangri who's sitting, uh,
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Speaker 2: sitting in his seat, and Juban says, uh, your servant
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Speaker 2: humbling requests audience with you, you know. Then he goes
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Speaker 2: back to recount the ancient history. So like your servant
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Speaker 2: had fought with you, is steem, General. You know, we
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Speaker 2: we we fought together as com in arms. And then
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Speaker 2: later you fought on the north side of the Yellow River.
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Speaker 2: I fought on the south side of the Yellow River.
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Speaker 2: I never expected that. I somehow got lucky and was
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Speaker 2: able to enter into the heart of the chain heart
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Speaker 2: land first and to overturn the Chin dynasty. But the
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Speaker 2: only reason I was able to do that is thanks
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Speaker 2: to you, General. And this is all a big misunderstanding,
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Speaker 2: you know, like like this is I was actually trying
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Speaker 2: to hold this place in peace for your arrival, because
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Speaker 2: this much it's a malicious rumor that was going around
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Speaker 2: that I claim to, you know, try to claim all
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Speaker 2: this treasure and land for myself. It's not true. And
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Speaker 2: shang You said, oh, it's your it's your general. How
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Speaker 2: Wusang has said that to me, you know, like otherwise
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Speaker 2: I would not have done this. Now I understand why
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Speaker 2: Shang you accepted Ubunk's submission because he won without fighting.
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Speaker 2: I don't understand why Shang you have to sell out
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Speaker 2: the informer. Maybe he's trying to show Nubunk like, hey.
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Speaker 1: You know, see I this is like that some second
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Speaker 1: term Trump tweet. Right, But Shan, he is a young man.
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Speaker 1: Maybe he's got some like you know, CTE from all
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Speaker 1: of the fighting. Probably not right, he's Probably it's hard,
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Speaker 1: it's really it is hard to understand why he would
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Speaker 1: make that kind of mistake. Probably he just feels very
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Speaker 1: confident and is well and kind of talks, you know,
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Speaker 1: shoots his mouth off first, you know, think more later,
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Speaker 1: right kind of, Or.
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Speaker 2: He just didn't care, you know. It is a person
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Speaker 2: of no importance for him, and by selling out how Wuzang,
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Speaker 2: he's like showing uh the Obang like hey, I trust
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Speaker 2: you now, like we're the terms. Yeah, because he holds
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Speaker 2: all the all the cards. At this point, he had
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Speaker 2: so much advantage militarily, and Nubang has came willingly into
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Speaker 2: his camp to submit. But for Shang, Advisor funds then
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Speaker 2: the seventy year old man who shun you at this
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Speaker 2: point called uncle Uncle Funds then didn't buy the Ubank submission.
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Speaker 2: He is of the mind that Nubung is a very
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Speaker 2: dangerous political rival, because he said, before he entered the
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Speaker 2: land of Chang, he used to be the one who
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Speaker 2: was famous for being greedy and lustful. You know, he
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Speaker 2: loves women, he loves treasure. Yet when he intered I
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Speaker 2: heard when he entered the Chin Imperial Palacey, he sealed
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Speaker 2: the place off. He didn't touch any of any of it.
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Speaker 2: That means he has greater ambitions. Uh, you know this,
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Speaker 2: this is why we better off him right now before
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Speaker 2: he has chance to grow and become a bigger threat.
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Speaker 2: So during the h the banquet that Shangri hosted for
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Speaker 2: the Ubang, Now this is a smart chand the Grand
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Speaker 2: Historian actually gave a great uh, a very detailed description
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Speaker 2: of the banquet. So during the banquet, Shangri and his
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Speaker 2: uncle Shampu was was sitting on the west side facing
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Speaker 2: yeast because in ancient China during that time, the west
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Speaker 2: is like the most exalted position. So h and Shampo
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Speaker 2: they're sitting in the west and facing yeast, and then Uh,
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Speaker 2: Shangri's advisor a k a. Uncle Funds and was sitting
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Speaker 2: in the north facing south. So this is like the
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Speaker 2: order of importance, you know, west north and clockwise right.
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Speaker 2: So and then and then Uh, the Obang was sitting
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Speaker 2: was sitting south facing north, and his advisor Zang Yang
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Speaker 2: was sitting yeast facing west right. So this this is
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Speaker 2: a seating arrangement because at that time, Dubang, even though
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Speaker 2: he took one hundred most devoted followers, he left all
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Speaker 2: of them outside the camp fun quiet. One hundreds of
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Speaker 2: Yoban's bodyguards were waiting outside. He only took inside and Funds.
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Speaker 2: Then during the banquet, Funds and keep on looking at
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Speaker 2: Shang Yi and signaling him for him to give a
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Speaker 2: signal to kill the Obang. Yeah, exactly exactly, and Sha
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Speaker 2: just ignored him. And so Funds decide, okay, I'm gonna
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Speaker 2: take the matter into my own hands. So he found
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Speaker 2: a younger fam younger family member of the Shangus family,
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Speaker 2: Shani's younger cousin, Shang Zrong, and he said, the general
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Speaker 2: is too compassionate, you know, he cannot bring himself to
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Speaker 2: kill our biggest threat. The Obanang. Yet this is this
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Speaker 2: is a this is our best chance to get rid
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Speaker 2: of him. Otherwise all of us will be the OBUs
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Speaker 2: prisoner sooner or later. And so why don't you, uh
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Speaker 2: on the pretext of providing entertainment to perform a sword dance.
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Speaker 2: While you are doing a sword dance, just run through
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Speaker 2: the obam with your sword. So shang Zong agreed, uh,
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Speaker 2: you know, maybe if he was a young, impressionable young man.
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Speaker 2: And and she she said, okay, well there's not much
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Speaker 2: entertainment in uh uh at the military camp, you know,
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Speaker 2: doing a feast. Let me, let me help, Let me
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Speaker 2: perform a short dance. So he started doing, waving his
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Speaker 2: sword around and and then he extanding closer and closer
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Speaker 2: to the obam. Right just about as he was about
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Speaker 2: to launch for a strike. Uh, Shun boy shunk his
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Speaker 2: uncle jump out, chew his sword, parry shang jung sword
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Speaker 2: as I and he said, well, it's no fun for
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Speaker 2: one person to to to do the sword dances. It's
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Speaker 2: more if there's two of us. So they start doing
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Speaker 2: the fighting uh. And every time shang Zong would get
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Speaker 2: close to the obang, shuang Bo would put his put
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Speaker 2: his body, you know, to block his path and and
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Speaker 2: and parry his strike. And by this time everybody can
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Speaker 2: see what the heck is going on, and so Soundlyn
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Speaker 2: got up and and he he it's so the hug
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Speaker 2: Bo Shang Jong are still aka is sor fighting inside
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Speaker 2: the in the feace. But Daddie got up his seat
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Speaker 2: and he sneaked out and he went to see the
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Speaker 2: captain of Dubang's bodyguard, fun Qui, who is also the
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Speaker 2: brother in law of Dubuan's wife, and he told funk
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Speaker 2: quite things are the things are looking pretty bad, and
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Speaker 2: he says something famous. He said, shang Chung ye peg
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Speaker 2: like Chang Chong is, Shang Zuong is doing a sword dance,
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Speaker 2: but he's really aiming at Lord pay a ka. This
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Speaker 2: has become another Chinese idiom. Shang Zong je Chang Zuong
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Speaker 2: sword dance. He's taking an aim at Lord pay which
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Speaker 2: means like someone has ulterior motive, you know, like his
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Speaker 2: his stated aim is not really what he tried to achieve.
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Speaker 2: But Shang Zuong, because of this event, shang Zuong made
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Speaker 2: himself immortalized through it for two thousand years. Uh, you know,
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Speaker 2: his name will be remembered for all this other school children,
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Speaker 2: and so one quite hurts this. You know, fun Koi
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Speaker 2: is a very you know, he's a very straightforward man.
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Speaker 2: He he got very angry and he got up, he
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Speaker 2: grabbed a shield uh and rushed toward the toward the
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Speaker 2: camp where they're having a feast. So so Shang your
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Speaker 2: scard stepped forward to block him, and fun Quoi is
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Speaker 2: a big man, so he just pushed the guy, uh,
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Speaker 2: pushed the guard aside with a shield. He just with
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Speaker 2: a shild Shun your scar didn't expect that, and he
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Speaker 2: got thrown backwards. So during the confusion, fun quit was
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Speaker 2: able to enter the feast. And when when Shang you
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Speaker 2: saw that, first he was startled, you know, he put
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Speaker 2: his hand on the sword, and then he's quiet down
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Speaker 2: and he said who is this brave warrior who enterns
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Speaker 2: my camp? And and funk Quoit said, fun quite is
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Speaker 2: my name. His hair is all standing up up, and
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Speaker 2: he was like eyeing everybody, and and Shang Yui holding
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Speaker 2: his sword and said, you know who who just came
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Speaker 2: into the camp. And Zangyang immediately said, oh, that's that's
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Speaker 2: a that's a bodyguard of of lord paid you bang
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Speaker 2: fun Kui, and shang Yui said, wow, what a brave warrior.
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Speaker 2: Please grant him a seed and uh and and give
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Speaker 2: him liquor and and then funk Quit just just grab
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Speaker 2: a spot, an empty spot. He just sat on the
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Speaker 2: ground cross legged. He play his sword and his shield
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Speaker 2: on top of his leg and and the shang Hui
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Speaker 2: then order to give him a give him a pork shoulder.
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Speaker 2: So so the the soldiers throw him a rock pork show.
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Speaker 2: I don't know why they give him a raw pork shoulder.
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Speaker 2: One explanation I heard is because at the that time,
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Speaker 2: fuel is actually precious, right like so really like really well,
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Speaker 2: cook meat is actually reserved for higher ranking people, like
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Speaker 2: they will be served in a feast of cook meat.
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Speaker 2: But so so maybe it's because fun Kui he is
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Speaker 2: only like a bodyguard or whatever, so they just throw
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Speaker 2: him a rat uh pork shoulder, and fun Quit didn't mind.
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Speaker 2: He just placed the raw pork shoulder and he overturned
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Speaker 2: his shield, made it like a kind of table, put
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Speaker 2: his raw pork shoulder on it, and take his sword,
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Speaker 2: cutting in pieces and just start eating. Not very hygienic,
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Speaker 2: but anyway, so everyone was and Shanghu was impressed. And
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Speaker 2: then Uh Seang, you said, can you drink? H you know, warrior,
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Speaker 2: can you drink? And fun Quit said, your your subject
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Speaker 2: would not even avoid death, how would I avoid drink?
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Speaker 2: And then he goes on to say, the late King
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Speaker 2: of Chin, they have the heart of tiger and wolf,
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Speaker 2: and they kill people like nothing, grand harsh punishment to everyone,
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Speaker 2: and this is why all under heaven rebel against them.
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Speaker 2: Now the King of Hawaii, the King Huai of Chu,
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Speaker 2: who is still the nominal leader of all the rebels,
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Speaker 2: the King of Hawaii and Su made a pack with
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Speaker 2: all the generals, and the pack says, whoevery break, whoever
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Speaker 2: breaks into the Chin heart land into the Qin capital
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Speaker 2: Shenyang will be the king of Qing. And now Bard
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Speaker 2: paid Ubang was the first to break into the chinhard
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Speaker 2: land to capture the Qin capital. And yet he did
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Speaker 2: not touch any treasures, and he sealed off all the
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Speaker 2: imperial palats and harem, and he take his army out
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Speaker 2: of the capitol and camp outside so not to harass
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Speaker 2: the people uh in the capital. All he intended to
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Speaker 2: do is wait for the coming of king. And I
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Speaker 2: guess I'm not sure whether he's calling Shangui the king
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Speaker 2: now or he's referring to the King of True But anyway,
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Speaker 2: so he said, this is why he has sent people
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Speaker 2: to put guards on the Hangu Pass to prevent other
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Speaker 2: bandits to come in. And yet for for Lord paid
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Speaker 2: the open for his for his merits so high, he
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Speaker 2: has not even been rewarded yet by being in thief
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Speaker 2: as a marquee. Yet now I heard there are people
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Speaker 2: who want to kill him. Yeah, so I guess Spankwai
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Speaker 2: is calling Shangui the king. He said, he's waiting for
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Speaker 2: your majesty to arrive. We send generals to guards a
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Speaker 2: pass in order to prevent thieves on entering and leaving,
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Speaker 2: and to deal with any unexpected incident. He has labored
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Speaker 2: so hard and chief such great merit, yet he has
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Speaker 2: not been rewarded with a marquee title. Instead, you listen
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Speaker 2: to petty slander and wish to kill those who have
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Speaker 2: rendered merit's service. This is merely a continuation of Chin's dounfall.
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Speaker 2: I seriously think it is unwise for your majesty. Uh
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Speaker 2: At this sean you has no response, I mean, what
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Speaker 2: what can he say?
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Speaker 1: Uh?
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Speaker 2: And so he just said, sit down and found quite
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Speaker 2: sit down next to zang Yiang. So after a while,
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Speaker 2: after a short while, you know when the atmosphere is
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Speaker 2: getting a little bit awkward, and I guess a sword
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Speaker 2: dance have must have ceased at this point. So Uh
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Speaker 2: Yubun got got up and he pretended to go to
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Speaker 2: the go to the bathroom, go to the toilet, and
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Speaker 2: then he summoned uh zang Yang zang Yang to Uh.
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Speaker 2: He summoned Zangia and I'm quite to follow him. He said, okay, look,
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Speaker 2: I I can't stay here any longer. It's getting it's
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Speaker 2: getting pretty dangerous. But I'm afraid if I leave on announced,
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Speaker 2: you know, this will piss off Shang Tondy says, well,
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Speaker 2: did you bring any gift?
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Speaker 1: You know?
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Speaker 2: Did you have any valuable on you? And Ubuan says, yes,
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Speaker 2: I do have the pair of jade I was well
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Speaker 2: planning to present them as gift to hug and there's
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Speaker 2: there's one a jade ornament. I was planning to give
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Speaker 2: John Shan advisor funds and Uh Tony I said, okay,
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Speaker 2: that will do. Just just allowed just give me those
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Speaker 2: I will will present this gift for you. And so
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Speaker 2: after a while Dubum didn't return back from the toilet
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Speaker 2: because he was making his hasty get away. Tony, you know,
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Speaker 2: I thought that calculated the time they must have gotten away.
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Speaker 2: Then he he said, oh, sorry, lord paid Uban wasn't
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Speaker 2: feeling well. You know, he he has sent me to
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Speaker 2: apologize for his leave of absence. Here, this is a
23:04
Speaker 2: gift for you, your your general, and this is a
23:07
Speaker 2: gift for you, uh uncle fund Zen right, And Fundsen
23:13
Speaker 2: was so pissed and he he took the gift and
23:16
Speaker 2: he throw it down on the ground and bro breaking
23:19
Speaker 2: into pieces. And then he looked at Shangi heince, he said,
23:24
Speaker 2: you little you, your little kid like you, you will
23:29
Speaker 2: get all of us killed one day. And this concluded
23:34
Speaker 2: one of the most dangerous feasts in the Chinese history,
23:39
Speaker 2: well almost forbang And But before when I hear the story,
23:46
Speaker 2: I thought, wow, Fundsen is a really loyal advisor. You know.
23:50
Speaker 2: It's it's a shame that Shangri didn't listen to advice.
23:53
Speaker 2: But now that I'm older, I'm like, wow, he just
23:56
Speaker 2: openly challenged his commanding generals order because you obviously said no,
24:02
Speaker 2: we're not going to touch the obum yet. Funds and
24:05
Speaker 2: went behind his back, you know, to instigate another guy
24:09
Speaker 2: to kill the Obang. And then after that he publicly
24:14
Speaker 2: chided shang Ui in front of everybody, right as if
24:18
Speaker 2: he's a child. I mean, that's that's that's just something
24:21
Speaker 2: you don't do right, like like gif you only if
24:24
Speaker 2: you want to quit that you can do whatever you want. Otherwise,
24:28
Speaker 2: you know, you want to insall your boss that way,
24:31
Speaker 2: So I so anyway, so so this also makes sense
24:35
Speaker 2: later that the breakup between the funds and and and
24:39
Speaker 2: shang Ui is more understandable now. But interestingly, shang Yui
24:44
Speaker 2: was also you know, he must have also realized what's
24:47
Speaker 2: going on, but.
24:49
Speaker 1: He In the popular interpretation the popular rendition of this episode,
24:54
Speaker 1: Shangi is often portrayed as being kind of oblivious, but
25:00
Speaker 1: that's probably played up for dramatic effect.
25:03
Speaker 2: Is politically not like dumb.
25:06
Speaker 1: It seems though, that because his position in the Shang
25:10
Speaker 1: family is in that secure. He has his current position
25:13
Speaker 1: by dint of the military authority. So he and the
25:17
Speaker 1: military prestige and the respect that all of the other
25:22
Speaker 1: like martial heroes of the realm hold him in because
25:26
Speaker 1: he won those battles. So he starts to behave in
25:29
Speaker 1: very obviously unchivalrous way by like you know, killing Leobin
25:34
Speaker 1: ads like dinner after inviting him. That probably that I mean,
25:39
Speaker 1: it's yeah, I don't think that would work now it
25:45
Speaker 1: He didn't seem to be too bothered about massacring two
25:49
Speaker 1: hundred thousand Chin prisoners Chin former so like surrendered troops. Okay,
25:54
Speaker 1: But I guess within his audience is the his intended audience,
25:59
Speaker 1: like constituents see, is the ranks of the rebel alliance,
26:05
Speaker 1: the sort of commanders and all the heroes, right, you
26:09
Speaker 1: know who participated, So you know they might like you know,
26:13
Speaker 1: not care too much about what he did to the
26:16
Speaker 1: Chin army. But you know, if they many of them
26:20
Speaker 1: still would respect Lil Bong, right, So showing you his
26:23
Speaker 1: position is based just on the military prestige, not on
26:29
Speaker 1: the seniority I guess within his family. So he needs
26:34
Speaker 1: the respect of the commanders of the rebel forces, all
26:39
Speaker 1: these like martial heroes you know who accompanied him, and
26:44
Speaker 1: you know, killing the two hundred thousand Chin prisoners I
26:46
Speaker 1: guess isn't unforgivable for them because that's technically still the enemy,
26:52
Speaker 1: right they would they've been fighting for all these years
26:54
Speaker 1: against these people. But if you kill Lil Bong, who
26:58
Speaker 1: is one of them, is in the in a circle,
27:00
Speaker 1: you would say without you know, sufficient reason, especially at dinner,
27:05
Speaker 1: you know, this will look extremely bad and he will
27:08
Speaker 1: lose a lot of their respect. So it's pretty understandable
27:12
Speaker 1: that shang Yi doesn't want to kill him at dinner,
27:16
Speaker 1: and that if he was going to attack him, it
27:19
Speaker 1: would have like made sense to not invite him and
27:24
Speaker 1: just you know, destroy the attack his army.
27:29
Speaker 2: Yeah. Another thing is uh, you know, before all the
27:33
Speaker 2: rebel alliance general had a common interest at shang Yui
27:38
Speaker 2: because they all thought Dubang was planning to take all
27:41
Speaker 2: the treasures of Chin for himself, and so they also
27:45
Speaker 2: want they didn't want that. They wanted they would have
27:48
Speaker 2: attacked with shang Yi. But now that Yubang already voluntarily surrendered,
27:53
Speaker 2: you know, they don't feel like they don't have a
27:56
Speaker 2: motivation to not wage a war. You know, if they
27:59
Speaker 2: came when without fighting, they would all for that they
28:03
Speaker 2: might not join Shangris prosecuting a war with the like
28:09
Speaker 2: shang He only had like fifty thousand Tu troops at
28:14
Speaker 2: the time of Battle of Juli Lu right and out
28:18
Speaker 2: of that. Again, it's not like not all that troops
28:21
Speaker 2: are personally loyal to him, you know, like even even
28:26
Speaker 2: among the true troops, the real core of the Shang
28:31
Speaker 2: family support was those eight thousand troops that shangris Uncle
28:36
Speaker 2: Shang has personally selected and trained in the commandery in
28:43
Speaker 2: like the before the Cross of Yangsu River, right and
28:48
Speaker 2: so so so those are only eight thousand. Those eight
28:51
Speaker 2: thousand people are probably the only troops that he can
28:53
Speaker 2: personally count down the rest he needs a buy in
28:58
Speaker 2: and now. But again, he didn't stop fund Zen from
29:03
Speaker 2: carrying out his plot to assassinate the O bound because
29:07
Speaker 2: I think showing you was willing to let it play out,
29:12
Speaker 2: to apply a little pressure on your bounds, like okay,
29:15
Speaker 2: I'll I'll let it pass, but I won't let you
29:18
Speaker 2: go so easy. You know, you need to understand there's
29:21
Speaker 2: still some about my cat that wants to have you killed.
29:25
Speaker 2: But it's due to my magnanimity that I'm allowing you
29:29
Speaker 2: to get away. So anyway, yeah, I could be. And
29:33
Speaker 2: from that perspective, you know, showing you want, showing you
29:37
Speaker 2: want without fighting you want, like as a are the
29:41
Speaker 2: war says, the best result is to win without fighting.
29:44
Speaker 2: And then that's exactly shann has achieved by pure military threat.
29:50
Speaker 2: And at this point showing you is about like twenty
29:54
Speaker 2: five or twenty six. He is at the pinnacle of
29:59
Speaker 2: his fame. You know. He just overturned the the Ching dynasty.
30:04
Speaker 2: He destroyed the Chain troops and now the man who
30:09
Speaker 2: would have been king has submitted willingly submitted to him,
30:14
Speaker 2: and so he get to decide the fate of all
30:18
Speaker 2: the treasures in the Chain Palace. So the first thing
30:20
Speaker 2: he did, uh, is he ordered execution of the last
30:27
Speaker 2: king of Chin Sleem. And not only that, and he
30:30
Speaker 2: executed all the songs of sleein, all the male member
30:34
Speaker 2: of the Chain imperial family. And that's whoever.
30:38
Speaker 1: So God didn't knock off and before has now been
30:42
Speaker 1: knocked off by showing you basically.
30:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then he uh, which and then he proceeded
30:49
Speaker 2: to loot the palace, which this is what he and
30:55
Speaker 2: a lot of the rebel general came to do. You know,
30:58
Speaker 2: they came to loot the palace. Their behavior provided a
31:01
Speaker 2: sharp contrast to what Niubank has done previously. Right, Lubang,
31:06
Speaker 2: he did not kill the surrender kingsley, and he sealed
31:12
Speaker 2: off the palace. He preserved the old order, and everyone
31:17
Speaker 2: was grateful for him, and the prominent family's fear was
31:22
Speaker 2: that Niubuan would not be king. And now the fear
31:25
Speaker 2: has been realized because the two two Army and the
31:28
Speaker 2: Alliance Army under Shang You had kim and pillage and
31:32
Speaker 2: burned all the palaces. Now, the most famously, you know,
31:39
Speaker 2: the account of this was burning up Upum Palace. Lpum
31:43
Speaker 2: Palace is supposed to be the lavish palace. It was
31:47
Speaker 2: built for the first emperor, and it was destroying a
31:51
Speaker 2: fire by Shangi and supposedly burned for three months. The
31:55
Speaker 2: fire went down for three months. But under modern cheological digs,
32:02
Speaker 2: that turns out to be a myth because there's no
32:06
Speaker 2: evidence of burning at Upun Palace foundation. In fact, it's
32:10
Speaker 2: only a foundation because upon palace had never been completed
32:14
Speaker 2: at the time of the overthrow and there was no
32:17
Speaker 2: evidence of burning. But shan j did burn other palaces
32:23
Speaker 2: that have been completed and which would have been forgivable
32:28
Speaker 2: or understandable. You know, that's what the rebel army do.
32:31
Speaker 2: But due to Shau's actions, his destroyed one of the
32:38
Speaker 2: great greatest treasure of the of the time, which is
32:43
Speaker 2: the Imperial Archive. Because you know when when the during
32:51
Speaker 2: the first import, he under the advice of Prime Minister Lease,
32:56
Speaker 2: he ordered to destroy all the private collection, all the
33:00
Speaker 2: books in the private collection that's not pertaining to you know,
33:04
Speaker 2: treat plant culture, agriculture, or law or chin laws. Right,
33:10
Speaker 2: and but at that time they did they they wanted
33:14
Speaker 2: to monopolize that knowledge. So all the the red all
33:18
Speaker 2: the other books, even though it's outlaw in the private collection,
33:21
Speaker 2: they're all being collected in the Imperial archives, those who
33:25
Speaker 2: were the last copies of this knowledge. But when hung
33:30
Speaker 2: his troops entered the palace UH for for whatever reason,
33:34
Speaker 2: he burned the Imperial Archives. And this led to the
33:37
Speaker 2: great loss of knowledge of preaching dynasty. And and by
33:43
Speaker 2: just by lucky coincidence, you know a lot of the
33:47
Speaker 2: surviving books happened to be Confucian cannons that will hidden
33:52
Speaker 2: away by Confucian scholars. And this is why like Confucianism
33:56
Speaker 2: was able to survive and later thrive. If you got
34:00
Speaker 2: they they're the ones you have the books UH has
34:02
Speaker 2: still have the knowledge. And but but before shown you
34:06
Speaker 2: was able to torch the Imperial Archive. The bounce UH followers.
34:12
Speaker 2: Shah actually was able to save uh uh all the
34:18
Speaker 2: maps and all the census data. That's that's the first
34:23
Speaker 2: thing Shallohoo gathered when they first entered the chain Imperial capital, Shaohoo,
34:29
Speaker 2: when you directly to the Imperial archive, he collected all
34:32
Speaker 2: the data on the sense, all the census data and
34:35
Speaker 2: all the maps because he knew data was king. You know,
34:40
Speaker 2: that's how you control our empire. You know, like like
34:43
Speaker 2: what the modern you know, Silicon Valley tech bros try
34:46
Speaker 2: to do. They try to control our data because they
34:48
Speaker 2: don't understand that's how they're gonna gonna be the v
34:51
Speaker 2: our overlord in the in the in the techno feel
34:55
Speaker 2: the little future that they're planning for us. But Shah
34:59
Speaker 2: understood is like two thousand years ago because he was
35:03
Speaker 2: a Chin dynasty bureaucrat. You know, he was working as
35:06
Speaker 2: a chief jailer of the Pay County and in fact,
35:10
Speaker 2: at that time, Shaohu was performing so well, uh the
35:15
Speaker 2: command the governor of Pay County was recommending him for
35:20
Speaker 2: a promotion to to to be officially elevated into uh
35:25
Speaker 2: like the higher Chin because in the Chin bureaucracy at
35:29
Speaker 2: the county governor they're all imperially appointed, but underneath the
35:34
Speaker 2: county governor they're they're all the government positions are served
35:37
Speaker 2: by locals, right, So Chaku was that. So he was
35:41
Speaker 2: recommended to be served as a governor of Chin elsewhere,
35:45
Speaker 2: but Shako turned it down because at that time Shaoho
35:48
Speaker 2: has served in the bureaucracy long enough to realize the
35:52
Speaker 2: Qin dynasty states are numbered, so he didn't want to
35:55
Speaker 2: go down with the dying dynasty, and so he refused
35:59
Speaker 2: a promotion. But not when when Nubang capture the capital,
36:02
Speaker 2: the first thing he did was collecting all the maps
36:05
Speaker 2: and all the census ded data because census data is
36:08
Speaker 2: going to allow you to collect taxes, right and so so,
36:12
Speaker 2: so those were saved. But the other other books when
36:16
Speaker 2: Uh got burned when Shangri entered the capitol, and and
36:23
Speaker 2: the the fires supposedly the you know, it lasted three
36:28
Speaker 2: months and they Uh they collected all the women from
36:32
Speaker 2: the chain imperial palace, all the treasure UH and then
36:36
Speaker 2: Shangu intend to then return to the east. But at
36:41
Speaker 2: this point there is a scholar from Han. He went
36:44
Speaker 2: to advise Shangi. He said, look, the Chin, the the
36:51
Speaker 2: the Chin stay is incredibly fertile because of all the
36:56
Speaker 2: hydraulic works, all the canals was built. It is is
37:00
Speaker 2: very productive and it's very strategically defensible, you know, because
37:06
Speaker 2: it's surrounded by mountain range on all side. All you
37:08
Speaker 2: have to do is close down the four passes and
37:11
Speaker 2: you can be king. So like this is a don't
37:14
Speaker 2: let this opportunity slip through your fingers. You know you
37:18
Speaker 2: are already here, you already control this. You can be
37:21
Speaker 2: the king of Chin. But chang Ri Uh at this
37:26
Speaker 2: point he look around and he says, sees all the
37:28
Speaker 2: palaces that been burned on, and he has no interest
37:32
Speaker 2: to stick around. And he said something famous. He said,
37:37
Speaker 2: if you strike it rich and not to return your hometownue.
37:41
Speaker 2: So you know, people who grow up knowing you can
37:44
Speaker 2: see that, uh, that that that you haven't made, then
37:49
Speaker 2: what is the point? And it's like you're wearing a
37:53
Speaker 2: fine silk robe and then work walk in the dark
37:58
Speaker 2: in the middle of the night. Nobody will be around
38:00
Speaker 2: to see it.
38:01
Speaker 1: Uh.
38:01
Speaker 2: This is another he contributed to another Chinese d and
38:05
Speaker 2: called which is like you you know you're doing this,
38:11
Speaker 2: you know, what's the point? Nobody will see it because
38:15
Speaker 2: there's nobody around this. So SHANGI had in his mind
38:19
Speaker 2: even from the beginning to return to the east because
38:21
Speaker 2: he had promised the surrendered Chin General Zanghan will be
38:26
Speaker 2: king of Chin, and in fact he sent that uh
38:31
Speaker 2: uh but but but when the when the scholar who
38:33
Speaker 2: advised shang to, who advise him to stay, heard about
38:38
Speaker 2: Shangu's rebuttal, he said, he said, I have long heard
38:45
Speaker 2: the people too. They're just like monkeys wearing human clothes.
39:00
Speaker 2: You heard about this, so you you're so he had
39:03
Speaker 2: this person sees and boiled a live for saying that.
39:10
Speaker 2: But that that's another Chinese city and muho or one
39:13
Speaker 2: is to say, somebody is basically a freaking barbarian. You know,
39:18
Speaker 2: you're wearing a human clothes, but you're actually just a
39:21
Speaker 2: monkey wearing a human clothes. Yeah, but yeah, so I
39:26
Speaker 2: think that that that that begins a tradition of uh
39:33
Speaker 2: you know, uh, well people at that time, because peoples
39:38
Speaker 2: of two in the south are still looking upon as
39:41
Speaker 2: somewhat barbarians right by the people of the central Plains
39:44
Speaker 2: right well, now now they don't do that anymore now
39:48
Speaker 2: now they refer to people south of China. But anyway,
39:58
Speaker 2: so yeah, so so. Shaou was famous for standing up
40:03
Speaker 2: for you know, anti discrimination. Uh, Shanghi was woke.
40:16
Speaker 1: So so so so.
40:20
Speaker 2: But Shang now he sent a petition to King of
40:23
Speaker 2: Hawaii because King of Hawaii, uh, it's still not his leader.
40:28
Speaker 2: So he said, well, I now that we have captured
40:31
Speaker 2: uh the Chin Harland overturned the Qin dynasty. I had
40:35
Speaker 2: previously promised the surrendered ching General Sanghan that he will
40:39
Speaker 2: be the king. You know, can we you know, just
40:42
Speaker 2: honor that so we can you know, be honored with
40:45
Speaker 2: the promise we made now of course, of course, but
40:51
Speaker 2: but but I mean at this point, Shang, we already
40:54
Speaker 2: is a de facto leader, right, but he's still going
40:57
Speaker 2: through the process. He's still like trying to put deserve
41:00
Speaker 2: the polite fiction that the King of Hawaii is still
41:03
Speaker 2: the king of Tu. Say, how about you know, you
41:06
Speaker 2: just issue the order to make Zanghan the king of Chin.
41:12
Speaker 2: And as a reply, the king who I just said,
41:19
Speaker 2: just do it us, you know, just do it as
41:23
Speaker 2: our original promise, right like hiss his order, which was
41:28
Speaker 2: making the Obama the king. Now when Shaw you received that, respond,
41:31
Speaker 2: he was furious. He's like he was complaining to his general,
41:35
Speaker 2: He's like, who is this king of Whai? You know
41:37
Speaker 2: he was just some cowherd, like teenage cowherd my uncle
41:41
Speaker 2: pluck from obscurity. We made him king, and now you
41:45
Speaker 2: thinks he can actually order us a wrong. But it
41:48
Speaker 2: is you me, all of us seated around here. We
41:52
Speaker 2: are the one who dun armor, raised our sword, charging
41:55
Speaker 2: to the battles, and overturned the Qing dynasty. We are
41:59
Speaker 2: the one who made it happen. Who are these kings
42:03
Speaker 2: who can tell us what to do? So shang Ui
42:07
Speaker 2: then decide to completely ignore.
42:12
Speaker 1: Uh.
42:12
Speaker 2: So I had the door open because the ac in
42:18
Speaker 2: my room was weak, and then so I let the
42:21
Speaker 2: let the a c anyway where it was. I okay.
42:24
Speaker 2: So so shiang Ui decide, you know what I will
42:27
Speaker 2: get to decide how to spoil, how to divide up
42:30
Speaker 2: the spoil. So first he divided the land of Chin
42:33
Speaker 2: into three parts. Uh sang Huan was made the king
42:37
Speaker 2: of Yung. So he receives the middle part of what
42:40
Speaker 2: is known as que Zong, the land within the passes,
42:44
Speaker 2: the Chin heartland and smashing Uh sometimes right hand man
42:50
Speaker 2: also the man who who strongly advocated Somehan to surrender
42:55
Speaker 2: to Shang Smashing also received the title of king. He
43:00
Speaker 2: ruled the western part of Chin and there was a
43:06
Speaker 2: dong Shin another one of the three Surrender Chain General.
43:10
Speaker 2: He also received a northern part of the Old Chin territory.
43:15
Speaker 2: Now that comes to the Obang. They decide to give
43:20
Speaker 2: the Obang the Suswan Basin because.
43:24
Speaker 1: Funds technically, technically that is still part of the Gwan
43:27
Speaker 1: Jonges territory, right, even though it's relatively newly conquered, like
43:31
Speaker 1: semi barbarian.
43:32
Speaker 2: You know, from a certain perspective, that's that's what Fun said.
43:36
Speaker 2: The Shang saidvisor said, so that that's still geo, that's
43:39
Speaker 2: what still old Chin land, right, we are still honoring
43:44
Speaker 2: the old province. So you get Suswan Basin. But at
43:46
Speaker 2: that time, Suwan Basin is like you know, first of all,
43:49
Speaker 2: it's it's kind of geographically isolated from everybody else. And
43:54
Speaker 2: that's what Shang you intended. You want to bottle up
43:58
Speaker 2: uh the old Bang inside the Suswan Basin. That's why
44:01
Speaker 2: he also made the three Surrender Chin General kings in
44:05
Speaker 2: the Chin Land so they can act as well. First,
44:08
Speaker 2: he didn't trust Zanghan enough to give him the entire
44:12
Speaker 2: Chin Land, right, that's also reason we killed that two
44:14
Speaker 2: hundred thousand surrendered chain tubes. So he had to divide
44:18
Speaker 2: the Chin Land into three pieces. But on the other hand,
44:21
Speaker 2: he's having these three Chin general serving as a buffer
44:26
Speaker 2: to bottle in the inside the Suswan basin. And then
44:30
Speaker 2: Zambiang had to argue for more land. That's the land
44:35
Speaker 2: of han.
44:35
Speaker 1: Zong, which is just is this kan Zong roughly where
44:40
Speaker 1: this current city of Hanzong is now.
44:42
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it is. It's the same han Zong. So
44:44
Speaker 2: Hanzong is the name is a valley of the upper
44:49
Speaker 2: reach of the Han River that kind of sits between
44:52
Speaker 2: the Suswan Basin and the Chin Old Chin Harland. Hanzong
44:56
Speaker 2: is just immediately south of the Chinney Mountain, the Mountain
44:59
Speaker 2: of Chain and now Hon Zone is strategically important because
45:05
Speaker 2: from Hont.
45:06
Speaker 1: Zone, if you go east from han Zome, you can
45:09
Speaker 1: still go get back in the east and then north
45:11
Speaker 1: you get back into the central plane exactly.
45:14
Speaker 2: You can. You can you can either sail down the
45:16
Speaker 2: Han River that you will be in the Old Too
45:19
Speaker 2: heart Land, or you can cross the Chiney mountains through
45:22
Speaker 2: the Mountain pat Is. Then you can go into the
45:25
Speaker 2: land of Chain. So so through some insistence, Hont zone
45:29
Speaker 2: was also given to the Oban and Theban was made
45:32
Speaker 2: the King of Hunt. His title was actually King of
45:35
Speaker 2: Hant Zone. And that's where the Han dynasty come from.
45:38
Speaker 2: It's from his title the Hunt is from.
45:42
Speaker 1: That's why it's not that's why it's not the Pay dynasty, right, otherwise.
45:49
Speaker 2: Not the dynasty right. So so so after that's settled,
45:55
Speaker 2: the Shan, you was not down here, uh he further
46:00
Speaker 2: so there was the way state has been. First of all,
46:04
Speaker 2: he has to deal with the King of two. Now
46:08
Speaker 2: he created additional title for King of two. He he
46:11
Speaker 2: made him the Righteous Emperor, ed right, but it's just
46:15
Speaker 2: an empty title. And and then he's also said as
46:18
Speaker 2: an emperor, as a ruler, traditionally the ruler they need
46:22
Speaker 2: to reside on the upper stream of the river. So
46:25
Speaker 2: he moved he defund the capital pens and all the
46:29
Speaker 2: way to like Hunan, like really south of the south
46:34
Speaker 2: of Dontein Lakes. So it's really kind of the fringe
46:37
Speaker 2: of the true territory. And he said, okay, you go there,
46:41
Speaker 2: you go there, you are you are the emperor now,
46:44
Speaker 2: but you got to go there and and he made
46:47
Speaker 2: himself the king of the Hedgemong, king of the West,
46:54
Speaker 2: so in the true territory he also divided up. First,
46:59
Speaker 2: Jimbu is a is a guy who you know made
47:03
Speaker 2: most contributions. Imbu was the one who charged in the
47:07
Speaker 2: Uh first in the Battle of Juu to cut off
47:10
Speaker 2: the chain supply lines. And Jimbu was also the first
47:14
Speaker 2: to break through the Hangu Pass. So Yimbu was receiving
47:17
Speaker 2: the title of King of jiu Jiang. Now now so Imbu,
47:22
Speaker 2: as you remember, he was a guy who received who
47:27
Speaker 2: was who? A fortune teller once told Jimbu, you know,
47:31
Speaker 2: first you get corporal punishment, uh, you know, get your
47:35
Speaker 2: face tattoo, and then you'll be king. So so Ymbu
47:38
Speaker 2: was very happy when he was first got sentenced to
47:41
Speaker 2: have his face tattoo, and he was like, oh, the
47:43
Speaker 2: first part of the prophecy has been fulfilled.
47:45
Speaker 1: You know.
47:45
Speaker 2: Now I just had to wait for the second part.
47:47
Speaker 2: So now Imbu has fulfilled his part of the prophecy.
47:50
Speaker 2: He was made king of jiu Jiang, and Jimbu's father
47:54
Speaker 2: in law was Wait because he was the one who
47:58
Speaker 2: sent Imbu to join Shangni and Wuzwei also as a
48:03
Speaker 2: former Qin commander, a governor of the Joujuang Commandery. He
48:08
Speaker 2: also commanded the the Allegiance of all the Red Tribes
48:14
Speaker 2: or the hundred. The hundred Tribes are from the remnant
48:19
Speaker 2: Red State in the Fujian and Southern Jung area, and
48:24
Speaker 2: he sent some of these Red Tribes as warriors to
48:27
Speaker 2: fight for for for the True states. So so this
48:32
Speaker 2: is why both him and Yimbu were rewarded. But this
48:37
Speaker 2: is not exactly shang dividing up the land and give
48:41
Speaker 2: it to them, because this is what their territory. Wuzwei
48:45
Speaker 2: was the command Qing commander, the Qing governor of the
48:49
Speaker 2: Joujuang Commandery. So what Shangui did is he decided to
48:52
Speaker 2: cut you know, carv a piece off to give it
48:55
Speaker 2: to Yimbu and the other remaining piece give it to Wuzu.
49:00
Speaker 2: So they all got you know, land and title now
49:03
Speaker 2: at least official, but it's more a recognition of you know,
49:07
Speaker 2: their power base. And there was another to General Gungo,
49:12
Speaker 2: who has took the old to heart land uh you
49:17
Speaker 2: know uh around you know, the present day Hubei Province area,
49:22
Speaker 2: the old ancient true capital there. So he was made
49:25
Speaker 2: the king of the Jiung to govern the old true heartland,
49:29
Speaker 2: but the major chunk of two which encompassed nine commanderies.
49:36
Speaker 2: Shanu made his own personal thief with capital at punten,
49:41
Speaker 2: and he called himself the King of Chichu, the King
49:44
Speaker 2: of West Su. But not just king. He called him
49:46
Speaker 2: Ba Wang, the hegemonic king. You know, Ba and b
49:51
Speaker 2: they were synonymous in the ancient Chinese means the first
49:56
Speaker 2: boy is like, really, the first born son is Bu.
50:00
Speaker 2: So it's like the first among equals the first and
50:03
Speaker 2: and he calling him Bau hegemonic king, is like, he's
50:07
Speaker 2: like the king of kings. It's not just any ordinary king.
50:10
Speaker 2: He's like, he's the hegemon king. So so everyone had
50:14
Speaker 2: to answer to him. And and then he wanted a
50:18
Speaker 2: piece of the most fertile land of the state away,
50:22
Speaker 2: so he carve up the Way state, and and he
50:26
Speaker 2: he took the most fertile land of the Wye State
50:29
Speaker 2: for himself to add it his to own his own thief.
50:32
Speaker 2: And he made the Way Way king Way about the
50:35
Speaker 2: King of West Way, you know, give him a western
50:40
Speaker 2: part of the former waste state. So so so this
50:43
Speaker 2: is gonna obviously create some problems later you know, problems.
50:48
Speaker 1: Some some.
50:51
Speaker 2: A disgruntled discontentment with Shanghi's decision. Another what what Shangi did? Essentially,
50:58
Speaker 2: he's he's doing a coup. He's doing a coup against
51:02
Speaker 2: the existing king of the Six States by giving land
51:07
Speaker 2: to the generals who follow him, you know, after the
51:10
Speaker 2: Battle of Chilu to go to the Qin territory. So,
51:13
Speaker 2: for example, the the the Tsau general Simag who cut
51:18
Speaker 2: off the retreat of the Qin forces of Zanghan, he
51:23
Speaker 2: was given a piece of land of the the Uh,
51:28
Speaker 2: the land that he captured with called Luchin. He was
51:33
Speaker 2: made the king of Juijin. And then the Tzao prime
51:38
Speaker 2: ministered zung Er because he led the Tsao forces to
51:43
Speaker 2: follow Shanyri and to enter the land of Qin. So
51:48
Speaker 2: Zungar was made the king of Tsao, and the old
51:51
Speaker 2: king of Zao was made the king of Dai.
51:54
Speaker 1: Dai is a.
51:55
Speaker 2: Nomadic part of the old Tau state. So the Zaou
51:58
Speaker 2: core of thau hard And was given to Zungar, and
52:02
Speaker 2: and the the former king of Tzaoa was made king
52:07
Speaker 2: of Dies that's the nomadic part. But then people start
52:11
Speaker 2: to remind shan Yu what about Tenui. Right, Tenu and
52:14
Speaker 2: Sunger they were together creating the Tsao state. They were
52:18
Speaker 2: both very famous. If you made Zazunglard the king of
52:21
Speaker 2: Zal and give ten you nothing, you're going to create
52:24
Speaker 2: some discontent, right. So then then shang you gave Tenu
52:32
Speaker 2: like three or four counties as a thing. But that's
52:36
Speaker 2: not going to make sense you, right, because his friend,
52:40
Speaker 2: well his former friend, Zunger, they're already enemy now because
52:44
Speaker 2: the Battle of Chili Lu, because Tenui didn't rush in
52:50
Speaker 2: to die together with Zungar was besieged inside the city.
52:54
Speaker 2: So so Tenui is not going to be happy about this,
52:58
Speaker 2: and then that way it comes to the But but
53:03
Speaker 2: some argue this might be part of Shangwi's design. Maybe
53:07
Speaker 2: he knew ten You would not be happy with Zungler
53:10
Speaker 2: and he will. This will create friction between Tenu and Zungler.
53:14
Speaker 2: Then they will fight among themselves, and that will create
53:16
Speaker 2: opportunity for him to come in and maybe exploit that
53:22
Speaker 2: that situation.
53:24
Speaker 1: And that seems to be a pattern here because you
53:27
Speaker 1: have the former ruler of these six states losing territory
53:33
Speaker 1: to some of their former generals. But there's no they're
53:36
Speaker 1: not entirely marginalized. They still exist, they just in diminished form.
53:40
Speaker 1: So right, so you've set up the structural all these
53:43
Speaker 1: conflicts among your like new new subordinates, and it's okay
53:49
Speaker 1: so long as there isn't still some other a poll
53:56
Speaker 1: that the disgruntled people can rally around. And for the
53:58
Speaker 1: moment he thinks there isn't because Leo Bong is isolated
54:02
Speaker 1: in like Sichuan.
54:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh, And then there's a what to do
54:08
Speaker 2: with the stated Chi because the Chief Prime Minister Tianzong
54:12
Speaker 2: famously refused to send any reinforcement and that led to
54:18
Speaker 2: Shangu's uncle Shang Yan's death. You know, Shang Yu still
54:22
Speaker 2: blamed Kanzong for his uncle Uh shan Yan's death because
54:26
Speaker 2: ten Shang Dang actually saved Tanzo's ass in the Siege
54:31
Speaker 2: of Don when he was being Uh when Shang when
54:34
Speaker 2: Kanzong was being besieged by the Chin general Zanghan, so
54:38
Speaker 2: Shang Shang Yang rushed to Chando's rescue, break him out
54:43
Speaker 2: of the siege, defeated Zanghan. But yet when Kanzo gained
54:47
Speaker 2: the power in Stated Chi, he demanded that the true
54:51
Speaker 2: state and the Zao State returned all the refugees from Uh,
54:58
Speaker 2: the refugee king from the state of Chi to hand
55:02
Speaker 2: it over for him for for execution. Otherwise, if not
55:06
Speaker 2: demand that met, he's not going to join the fight
55:08
Speaker 2: against Stated Qing, you know. And and later shan And
55:12
Speaker 2: was defeated, So so shang you blame Kandom for that.
55:17
Speaker 2: So so, but there were a couple of can There
55:20
Speaker 2: were a couple of general from Stated chiefs that defied
55:24
Speaker 2: Kndo to let their army to join shang Ui in
55:28
Speaker 2: the Battle of Chilu. So those those guys are rewarded.
55:32
Speaker 2: Ten Do was rewarded for with a piece of Chi
55:36
Speaker 2: territory in Jaobei in the san Don Peninsula. He was
55:40
Speaker 2: made the king of jaube And then there's another ten
55:45
Speaker 2: I think ten ten he also led the Uh the
55:50
Speaker 2: the Chi army Uh. He was also got a piece
55:54
Speaker 2: of Chi. And then the former king of Chi, which
55:59
Speaker 2: was ken dong nephew, he got booted as as the
56:05
Speaker 2: king of Jaodong the tip of Sandong peninsula. So so,
56:11
Speaker 2: but he left nothing for Kendo because he hated Kendal.
56:15
Speaker 2: And this obviously is kind of great problems because keen
56:18
Speaker 2: Do is a de facto ruler of Chi, and now
56:22
Speaker 2: Sean is telling him, I'm going to take your your
56:24
Speaker 2: territory away. I'm gonna hand it over to these generals
56:27
Speaker 2: who follow me. And again you can be argued, maybe
56:31
Speaker 2: this is done by intention divide and conquered. It's breaking
56:36
Speaker 2: up the chief Stay into a smaller pieces that will
56:38
Speaker 2: fight among each other. But the problem is this is
56:42
Speaker 2: not an equal fight because Keen Do right now, he
56:44
Speaker 2: still holds all the resources resources of the Chiefe Stay.
56:48
Speaker 2: If these other chie generals with their armies, if they're
56:52
Speaker 2: unable to defeat Kendo with the go back, they can't
56:56
Speaker 2: really get their territory. So there's that, and and then
57:00
Speaker 2: so so so so so inherently what shang we did
57:05
Speaker 2: when he in fief all these guys. The traditional interpretation
57:09
Speaker 2: is that, oh, Shangri is kind of reversing the the
57:13
Speaker 2: progress of history bye bye by reverting it to older
57:17
Speaker 2: time of like fiefdoms and feudal fieldal states. But but, but,
57:23
Speaker 2: but if you look at Funk Shan's perspective, giving his
57:26
Speaker 2: time in the context of time, it actually made sense.
57:29
Speaker 2: It's actually it's a it's a coup against all this
57:32
Speaker 2: former ruler. He shang is saying telling these generals who
57:38
Speaker 2: follow him, I let's let's create a new order. I
57:43
Speaker 2: will be your leader, and I will reward you for
57:46
Speaker 2: your loyalty by handing you these thieves. And you go
57:49
Speaker 2: overturn your own former rulers. We ought to overturn our
57:53
Speaker 2: former rulers so we can all being And this is
57:57
Speaker 2: how he buys gets a buying buying the is the
58:00
Speaker 2: loyalty of these the rebel alliance and shang were still
58:05
Speaker 2: not happy to let the now the righteous Emperor, the
58:09
Speaker 2: former King Huaio to live, so he sent Imbu to
58:13
Speaker 2: create an accident for for the for the King of
58:17
Speaker 2: Whites to have him assassinated. And but this would give
58:21
Speaker 2: an excuse for the Ubang, you know like this, this
58:26
Speaker 2: is the excuse that Yubang needed to to to go
58:28
Speaker 2: after Shangi, because now shang he can claim that Shangri
58:32
Speaker 2: had because the King of why was the title he received,
58:39
Speaker 2: even though it's empty. But he was still putting a
58:42
Speaker 2: position that similar to like the old king of King
58:47
Speaker 2: heavenly King of Zo. Right, he's still like the overlord
58:50
Speaker 2: of everyone. And by Shangi committing richicide, that's the excuse
58:55
Speaker 2: for for Juban to go after him, and Yubang were
58:58
Speaker 2: also able to exploit all these uh discontentment from people
59:03
Speaker 2: dissatisfied by shang usin fiefman. And but first before Ubang
59:10
Speaker 2: can exploit that situation, he has to break out the
59:13
Speaker 2: Sutwan Basin because he's the whole shang is designed is
59:18
Speaker 2: to bottle him in in Suzwan forever. Uh and and
59:23
Speaker 2: you know there's a lot of geographically Uh there's a
59:27
Speaker 2: giant Chimney mountain that's separate U Buns fief in Suswan
59:33
Speaker 2: Basin and Hanzu Valley from the land of Chin and
59:37
Speaker 2: uh and and and and that's how shang we intend
59:40
Speaker 2: to keep that way. So any any questions or comments.
59:46
Speaker 1: I suppose we can look at these political development by
59:51
Speaker 1: just comparing it to what has happened in the past.
59:54
Speaker 1: Like in the Tu dynasty, there was initially under the
59:59
Speaker 1: Western you have a kind of dominant central authority who
1:00:05
Speaker 1: has then to control the territories conquered, divies out territories
1:00:11
Speaker 1: to either relatives or loyal generals. It's kind this is
1:00:15
Speaker 1: actually the most similar to what shang Yu has done,
1:00:20
Speaker 1: except the problem is that shang Yu, because there was
1:00:26
Speaker 1: this king above him, and I guess it was kind
1:00:30
Speaker 1: of obvious to people that he had this like King
1:00:33
Speaker 1: Fire of Truls later Righteous Emperor killed. Now he has
1:00:39
Speaker 1: some legitimacy problem because he is now kind of more
1:00:42
Speaker 1: like the hegemon in the late in the Eastern Troll
1:00:46
Speaker 1: period that has developed. But those hegemons, you know, you
1:00:50
Speaker 1: still kind of need the overall moral authority of the
1:00:55
Speaker 1: heavenly King of cho to help you order the other
1:00:59
Speaker 1: Joe rulers, the other subordinate rulers around. I guess his
1:01:03
Speaker 1: other option would have been to just try to recreate,
1:01:07
Speaker 1: to just take over the Qing Empire system. But with
1:01:11
Speaker 1: the I guess the problem is that there is not
1:01:16
Speaker 1: enough buy in this from his uh like from the
1:01:20
Speaker 1: rest of the rebel alliance. Right if he is going
1:01:23
Speaker 1: to become the new Qing and basically the new Qing Emperor,
1:01:27
Speaker 1: you can see the new Shang Emperor, what are all
1:01:30
Speaker 1: these subordinates going to do? They will all have like,
1:01:34
Speaker 1: you know, bureaucratic book jobs. I guess under him, that's
1:01:39
Speaker 1: not too different from the bureaucratic jobs they would have
1:01:42
Speaker 1: gone back to if they had just gone back to
1:01:43
Speaker 1: being generals in the separate six stays right.
1:01:47
Speaker 2: And this is a problem that's going to actually not go.
1:01:51
Speaker 1: Away entirely after this war is over, because as we'll
1:01:55
Speaker 1: see Leo Bung, he's got in FIV a bunch of
1:01:57
Speaker 1: subordinate kings initially. But I suspect that, uh, these events
1:02:03
Speaker 1: are kind of new in the Chinese history that I
1:02:06
Speaker 1: don't recall a previous instance where some bunch of nobodies
1:02:11
Speaker 1: without aristocratic lineage who can become generals and then get
1:02:17
Speaker 1: made kings. Right, and this starts to set a kind
1:02:21
Speaker 1: of norm that royal title is not that special. There
1:02:25
Speaker 1: is no like you're not anointed by God or anything.
1:02:29
Speaker 1: In the Chinese context, it's really purely based on the
1:02:32
Speaker 1: realities of the political power. And if you can get
1:02:36
Speaker 1: enough of the political leverage on your side, you can
1:02:38
Speaker 1: claim this title.
1:02:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is why when Tensen and Wukan raise their
1:02:44
Speaker 2: banner rebellion, yaod slogan, Wang, who you know is the
1:02:51
Speaker 2: kings and generals and ministers are are they? Are they born?
1:02:54
Speaker 1: Now?
1:02:55
Speaker 2: They're made? This bad slogan became most popular among history.
1:03:01
Speaker 2: It echoed through thousands of years. I mean, that's ultimate mericocracy, right,
1:03:05
Speaker 2: like anybody can be king. Anybody can't be the lords.
1:03:09
Speaker 2: As you know, if you have the drive and the power,
1:03:12
Speaker 2: you know, the ambition.
1:03:15
Speaker 1: You can also see, like through the events from the
1:03:18
Speaker 1: Terns of Wogon rebellion to present, how quickly the basis
1:03:22
Speaker 1: of legitimacy can shift during this kind of revolutionary situation.
1:03:26
Speaker 1: This is more commonly thought of in like closer to
1:03:30
Speaker 1: our time, like for example, with French revolution, where initially
1:03:34
Speaker 1: the king has legitimacy, but because he can't tax the nobles,
1:03:38
Speaker 1: he has to call this Estates General back, and he
1:03:41
Speaker 1: has the effect to seed some legitimacy to this Estates General,
1:03:45
Speaker 1: and then from that Estates General, this third estate breaks
1:03:49
Speaker 1: off and declares self national Assembly, and it's basically arrogates
1:03:52
Speaker 1: this legitimacy. And because they've there's the royal garrisons in
1:03:56
Speaker 1: Paris are unreliable at the moment, you know, they get
1:03:59
Speaker 1: away with it, and then they can create like National
1:04:00
Speaker 1: Guard and so forth, and you have It's not usually
1:04:03
Speaker 1: thought of that this kind of rapid shift in legitimacy
1:04:07
Speaker 1: will happen in the ancient times, but here you see
1:04:09
Speaker 1: it because initially with changed On Wogwag, they are claiming
1:04:13
Speaker 1: that the former Chin Crown Prince is alive and it's
1:04:18
Speaker 1: with them, right, So the form, even though Chin State
1:04:22
Speaker 1: has been Chin Empire, has become somewhat hated, that former
1:04:25
Speaker 1: crown prince's name still means something. And once their momentum
1:04:30
Speaker 1: gets going, then they don't need him anymore. And but
1:04:33
Speaker 1: the legitimates, but the memory of this, of the rule
1:04:37
Speaker 1: of these six states east of Guendron still exists because
1:04:41
Speaker 1: people older people still remember, like from before the chain unification.
1:04:45
Speaker 1: And so once you need to get through that period
1:04:48
Speaker 1: of mobilizing all the rebel forces in the east, you
1:04:52
Speaker 1: need to reassure the boomers. To give the sense of continuity,
1:04:56
Speaker 1: you prop up all these all these kings, even if
1:04:58
Speaker 1: the guy was like some cowherd or something whatever, right,
1:05:00
Speaker 1: he just needs to be there for the moment. And
1:05:04
Speaker 1: now the events of the Battle of Chulu have created
1:05:08
Speaker 1: a new sense of legitimacy. Is oh, we are the
1:05:10
Speaker 1: guys who bled at the Battle of Jiulu, created this
1:05:12
Speaker 1: kind of miraculous victory. And all these other guy, all
1:05:15
Speaker 1: these kings that you know, we sincerely upheld like propped
1:05:19
Speaker 1: up before they did not do anything. And the guy
1:05:22
Speaker 1: was like a cowherd or a shepherd, you know, like
1:05:24
Speaker 1: you know, five years before. So really do we need
1:05:27
Speaker 1: to like LARP and pretend he is so special? You know?
1:05:30
Speaker 1: We have to follow labor value labor theory of value
1:05:33
Speaker 1: here and divide things fairly.
1:05:37
Speaker 2: But but but then they still have value because as
1:05:40
Speaker 2: you we see, Niobound will use the the uh Shaan
1:05:46
Speaker 2: used to regicide as excuse to attack him because you know,
1:05:50
Speaker 2: like you that attack on his legitimacy for killing the
1:05:56
Speaker 2: Righteous Emperor and that was say for the next episode
1:06:02
Speaker 2: will tell the story how they will break out his
1:06:05
Speaker 2: natural prison Uh from the Suzwan Basin and go on
1:06:11
Speaker 2: to find uh To to challenge Shaw his hegemony of
1:06:16
Speaker 2: all under heaven. Okay, look forward to it, all right,
1:06:21
Speaker 2: Okay guys, Uh until next week, Bye bye, all right