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Birds Weekly with Ray Didinger, Derrick Gunn: "Every Week Is Gonna Be This Kind Of Game" · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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Speaker 1: Good day, everybody. We are locked and loaded once again
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to bring you the latest edition of Birds Weekly. It
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is powered by the inside of the Birds Network. That man
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right there is the Hall of Famer himself. Ray, didn't
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you under a gun? And Ray, I don't know about you,
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but that Eagles Chiefs game didn't play out anything like
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I thought it would play.
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Speaker 2: Out exactly the same.
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Speaker 3: I You know, every week leading up to a game,
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you think about how the game's gonna play out, you know, tactically, strategically,
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where are they going to go, what are they going
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to do, What are they gonna try to do, what
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are they going to be able to do? We all,
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we all play the game before they play it, and
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then it rarely turns out that way.
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Speaker 2: Good teams, bad teams. It almost doesn't matter.
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Speaker 3: And you know what, I think that's part of the
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beauty of pro football just just it's there's no script
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to it.
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Speaker 2: It just it has a life of its own.
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Speaker 3: The one thing, and there were a lot of things
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about this game that surprised me. The one thing, but
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the one thing that didn't surprise me, and I think
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you and I both said this last week, was it
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wasn't going to be easy. And so many people, so
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many people I talked to last week, said, oh, the
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Chiefs are done.
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Speaker 2: You know, they're they're over the hill. They've got old players.
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You saw them in the game in Brazil.
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Speaker 3: They they were you know, they couldn't they couldn't get
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pressure on the quarterback. Herbert picked them apart. The Eagles
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are going to blow that team out. And I you
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and I both said last week, Oh really, Oh yeah,
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you really think the Kansas City Chiefs We're going to
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roll over in that stadium and let the Eagles beat
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them and fall it to zero and two. No, no,
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I thought the Eagles were going to win.
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Speaker 2: But I absolutely, I absolutely.
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Speaker 3: Thought it was going to be exactly this kind of game,
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a real rock fight, And that's what it was.
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Speaker 1: You know what, right, if I compile my note to
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get ready for our podcast for this particular week, you know,
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there was a lot of strategic points in this game.
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But the one thing that really jumped out to me
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was if anybody had told me that the Philadelphia Eagles
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would go into Arrowheads Stadium, one of the most hostile
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stadiums in all of the NFL, to play a Kansas
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City Chiefs team that doesn't lose at home often, and
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Patrick Mahomes has never started a season zero to two
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while racking up less than two hundred and twenty yards
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of offense rate. I would take that bet a hundred
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times and then.
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Speaker 2: Some absolutely, you know.
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Speaker 3: I mean, there are a lot of things about this
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that just didn't figure, but that's the way it played out.
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And you know, I think that one of the things
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that I don't think it's I don't think the Eagles
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are surprised by this. I mean, when you when you
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come into a season and you're the defending champ, there
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are no easy weeks. You know, there's there's no look aheads,
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there's none of that. I mean, you're gonna get who
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you're playing, from the Kansas City Chiefs to the Tennessee Titans.
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I mean you're going to get their best shot every week,
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and that's what you're seeing. And I think that the
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fact that, first of all, you've got that's just a
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fact of life. But the other part of it is
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you have a really tough schedule on top of it. Yeah,
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I mean every week is every week is going to
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be you know, bare knuckles in the back alley, fight it,
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fight it out. And you know the thing is the Eagles.
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The Dallas game was not an easy game either at
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home against a team that I think is no more
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than mediocre. It was still a close game in the
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fourth quarter. This game out there in a tough environment
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was right there at the end. I think, I think
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it's going that's the kind of season it's going to be.
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I think every week is going to be this kind
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of game. And I think I don't. I think the
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Eagles are prepared for it. I mean, you know, Nick
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Sirianni has talked about it a lot. The players have
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talked about it a lot. Yeah, they even though they
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don't like to use the term defending the championship, in
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the eyes of everybody they're playing, that's exactly what it
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comes down to. And the Eagles have to be prepared
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for that challenge. And so far, two weeks in, you're
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two and zero.
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Speaker 1: You know what, Ray I went back and looked at
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Kansas City's record from twenty twenty four, including the playoffs.
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They won eleven games by seven points or less. They
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kept people on the edge of their seats each and
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every week. They had people biting the nails, checking their
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pulses and when you look at this Eagles team, two
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games in, they've won two games by a grand total
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of seven points, and in both games they could have
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very easily been zero to two. Have there not been
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one or two defenditive things that happened in the games
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that turned the tide in their favor. Now, when you
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look at Jalen Hurts in this particular game, fifteen of
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twenty two, one hundred and one yards, no testdowns, more importantly,
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no turnovers, no interceptions, Ray, people keep yelling about his numbers.
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I don't care about his numbers rate. All the man
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does is find a way to win games or put
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his team in a position to win games.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I mean, and there were there are a couple
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of moments and you and I said this last week.
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I mean, he's never he's never going to put up
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monster numbers. So that's just that's just not the way
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he plays the game. Uh. You know, he's never going
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to lead the league in in the statistics, he's never
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going to lead the league in all those fantasy football categories.
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But all he's going to do is make the plays
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that allow you to win. And even though each of
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these two games, the Dallas game and this game passing
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numbers were nothing really abusial, but when you needed but
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when you needed a play, all the question about his
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arm is strong enough, is it accurate enough? Last week
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it was a deep shot to Dotson that you know
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that you can't throw a ball any better, and that
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just drops it right in there at a big moment.
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And then yesterday same thing. I mean, you got the
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Chiefs who got a rush right in his face. It's
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thirty to ten, close game, second half, You're trying to
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sustain a drive and he lays that ball up and
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DeVante Smith makes the great adjustment, comes back, makes the
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catch and sets up the final push push touchdown that
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sort of ice the game. I think that that's kind
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of the way he is. You know, he's not gonna
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he's not going to throw for four hundred and fifty yards.
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Speaker 2: He's not.
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Speaker 3: He's but you know, at those moments in the game
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when a big play is required, he's going to make
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a big play and ultimately he's going to come out ahead.
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Speaker 2: I mean, this team is won what is it, eighteen
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of their last nineteen games.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that doesn't happen by accident, nor does
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it happen with average quarterbacking. You know, you only put
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together a streak like that if you have a quarterback
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who knows what he's doing. And believe me, this guy
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knows what he's doing, you.
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Speaker 1: Know, Ray I thought that passed, that particular pass was
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his best pass of the day, to be quite honest
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with you, I mean, he knew Kansas City was coming
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after him on that third and ten situation. And a
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lot of times quarterbacks, and I'm talking veteran quarterbacks, when
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they see a situation like that and they feel the heat,
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a lot of them was simply chucking duck, you know,
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and avoid to hit. This man stood tall in the
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saddle loft in a beautiful ball. Devonte Smith was covered by
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one of the best cornerbacks in the game in Trent McDuffie,
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made the body adjustment and brought it down to set
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up for that defining touchdown. You know what everybody talks
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about Jalen emerging as a pocket passer. I think that
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particular play defines the fact that he has matured and
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arrived as a pocket passer. He's not just this running quarterback,
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He's not just this scramley quarterback. But he can stand
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in there tall when the pressure is bearing down on it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's really developed that part of his game.
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Speaker 3: I mean, that patience and that presence in the pocket
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to be able to hang in there and make those
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kinds of throws which you have to make to win
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games in the NFL, because I mean you can have mobility,
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I mean you can be able to run and get
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out of the pocket and make throws and also turn
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it up the field and get first down. And he
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can do all that, but you still have to make
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those kinds of throws. You know, they are still part
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of the of the NFL quarterbacking playbook. And he's when
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he first came up into the league that was really
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kind of what he had to learn was to make
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those plays inside the pocket. And he's shown you now
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pretty much week after week. Not that he does it
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all the time, but when he has to do it,
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he can do it. And yesterday he did it in
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the spot that really was critical.
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Speaker 1: Right. I look at DeVonta Smith. He was his little, thin,
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wispy guy. Takes a lot of big hits, but he's
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like that old commercial, takes the licking, but keep on
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ticket his body control. It's simply a beautiful thing. To
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watch when you have your momentum going full board one
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way the way he can Piro went and come back
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to a football. It's just it's a beautiful thing to
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watch because you have a lot of great receivers that
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do similar things. But here's a guy. He's not the
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biggest guy, he's not the most physical guy, but he
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uses every attribute that God has given him to the
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fullest advantage.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's he just has a great sense of where
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the ball is to go get it. And that was
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a you're right. I mean he's covered by one of
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the best corners in the league in that situation, one
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on one down the field and McDuffie will win that
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most of the time, absolutely, and he was in position
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to this time. But DeVante Smith saw where the ball
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was found, it tracted and then just dip back inside
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and got himself in a position where it actually it
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actually looks like an easy catch, but of course it isn't.
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Speaker 2: But I mean it came at.
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Speaker 3: An absolutely time and Hurts was you know, he was
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pressure was right on them and he just laid it.
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It was one of those I'm just going to lay
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it up there and trust my guys going to go
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get it and and he did, and it was a
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big play. I mean, if you're if you're trying to
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measure big plays, chunk plays, whatever you want to call it.
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The Eagles aren't really that kind of team, you know,
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but in situations where they need to make those kinds
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of plays when they called for, they can do that.
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Speaker 2: And yesterday was I mean, you had that was one
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you just.
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Speaker 3: Had to grind out. I mean, you just grind that
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one out. And you know the Chiefs, you know, right
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now they're zero and two, and that's a battle, you know.
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I I look at September early season pro football, the
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way it is, the way the league is set up now,
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the way teams go through preseason, the way teams go
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through training camp. You know, most teams don't play their ones.
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They don't play their starters. Some of them don't. Don't
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even think. Guys don't even practice all that much. I
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mean the Eagles this summer. If you went out I
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mean a J. Brown practice half the time much. You
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didn't play the games, for sure, but didn't even practice
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that much. So there's no way you're going to go
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into the season clicking on all cylinders. You're just not
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so this time of the year, these kinds of games.
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You know, this is not this is not ideal hot
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take football. You know what I mean in the society
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that we live in today, the way journalists are and
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the way people on talk radio are, in the way
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the writers are, and everybody wants to make these snap
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judgments about everything. You know, what's right, what's wrong? Well,
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right now, you're not that team yet, you're but what
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you have to do in these weeks as you moving forward,
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they're going to get better week by week, you know
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they will. But what you have to do in these
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weeks while you're still putting everything together with the new
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offensive coordinator, that's part of it. While you're putting us together,
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the key just win the game.
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Speaker 2: Just win these games.
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Speaker 3: The thing you can't afford to do is like lose
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a couple of these games and then put yourself behind
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the second half of the year. You're trying to dig
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your way out of a hole, you know, you know,
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I mean, the coach is down there today with the
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players in the meeting rooms. They're pointing out all the
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things that they did wrong, and they're saying, we got
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to do this better, we got to do that better. Way,
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and they're right, they do. But the fact of the
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matter is you got the two wins. Okay, so you
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just keep stacking the wins. Now, get those wins, and
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then week by week get your game better so that
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by the second half of the year you're where you
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want to be in terms of the standings, but you're
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also playing better football leaden end of the postseason.
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Speaker 1: Hey, I'm all about the good, the bad, the ugly
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being accompanied by a w. If that's the way you're
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going to play in the entire season, so be it now.
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Speaker 2: Me either.
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Speaker 1: Hey, look, when when you look at Patrick Mahomes, it
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was like at times one playing against eleven. I mean,
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he he did everything he could possibly do. You could
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tell he was shorthanded short two premire wide receivers or
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as she Rice and of course They've are worthy. Do
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you think if you had to have those two receivers
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at his disposal the outcome might have been a little
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bit different.
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Speaker 3: You can't say no, I mean, I mean, there is
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not that Hollywood Brown and Juju Smith Schuster are bad receivers.
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Speaker 2: They're not, but they're not Rice and Worthy.
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Speaker 3: I mean, so it became a whole different proposition when
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those two guys couldn't play it. I mean, I know
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that late last week there were reports coming out of
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Kansas City that Worthy was practicing on a limited basis,
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and I really didn't think they were going to play him.
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I really didn't, and I'm kind of glad they didn't
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because I definitely, definitely, I definitely think it helped the
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Eagles cause.
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Speaker 2: But you know, you.
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Speaker 3: See with the Chiefs right now where they are as
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a team, I get some issues, they really do. And
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this is two games that played now and in both games,
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Patrick Mahomes is their leading rusher. Now how many weeks
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is that going to be? I mean, the way they're
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running game looks right now half the games he might
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be their leading rusher. And that's that is not a
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formula for a team to go deep into the playoffs
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or win a championship. You know, Patrick Mahomes he needs that.
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He's a great player, for sure, but he needs all
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parts of that offense functioning right now. And they just
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Pachaco and Hunt, they just they just aren't getting it.
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Speaker 2: And the only even are getting on the ground is
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what Mahomes can give them.
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Speaker 3: And week after a week after a week that's that's
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gonna be a hard thing to sustain.
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Speaker 1: You know, if there's one thing Andy Reid has been
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known for, it's always been building solid offensive lines.
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Speaker 2: And I think the offensive.
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Speaker 1: Line right now is the biggest problem is starting two
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rookie players. They have three holdovers from a season ago,
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but two rookie players, and I don't think there's a
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continuity and the fluidity in this offensive line. Yet they're
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not opening holes in a running game. Mahomes are scrambling
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for his life. How many times do we see him
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where he barely had time to set its beat, just
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like the Super Bowl had to take off and run
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and you know, hey, whatever happens again, the city happens
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to him.
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Speaker 2: But I'm just shocked that their offense, the.
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Speaker 1: Line has been as porous as it has been because
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the Chargers owned them along the offensive line also a
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week ago.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's you know, that was clearly the difference in
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the Super Bowl game. I mean that was where you know,
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I mean the Eagles. The Eagles dominated the Chiefs, but
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where the domination started was right there. It was with
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the Eagles defensive front against the Chiefs offensive line.
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Speaker 2: I mean, they just they just crushed them.
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Speaker 3: And in the off season, all the conversation was, well,
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you know the Chiefs are they recognized the problem. Now,
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I mean they kind of got away with it in
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the regular season, but they got exposed in the postseason.
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So you're going to see that, Andy Reid, this whole
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off season is going to be about rebuilding and reinventing.
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Speaker 2: That offensive line. And they did bring in some new guys.
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Speaker 3: They drafted some young guys, but I mean two weeks in,
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it kind of looks the same.
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Speaker 2: And I mean penalties, stupid penalties.
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Speaker 3: I mean when they went for it on that one
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fourth down in the second half, I mean, Humphrey, who
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I think is the best player on that line. I
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think he's one of the better centers in the league.
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You know, he goes the wrong way and the play
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blows up and they don't convert the fourth down. I mean,
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right now, there's even they're good players in the offensive
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line aren't playing well and the result is you got
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Patrick Mahomes out there.
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Speaker 1: He's got nowhere to go with the football. Yeah, I
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think that was not a character for Andy Reid too.
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I Mean, we know he's the gambler, he'll take risk,
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but at that stage of the game, the score was
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tied ten to ten. I believe he goes for it
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the fourth and one in his own territory and it
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gets stuffed, and of course that led to the Eagles
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go ahead field goal and they never looked back from
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that point on. I thought there was a lot of
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character for Andy at that point of a game to
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just basically give the momentum back to the opposition in
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his backyard.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, very out of character, I mean from the coach
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that we knew in Philadelphia.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there were situations.
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Speaker 3: How many times were we saying, he's got to go
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for it now, can't kick the ball away, he might
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not get it back. And most of the time he
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didn't remember that. But he in that sense, he played
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it very much by the book. You know, he's not.
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Over the last ten years, defens offensive philosophy, fourth down stuff.
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Speaker 2: Has really changed.
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Speaker 3: I mean, coaches, you have a lot of these new coaches,
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a lot of these young coaches with the analytics guys
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upstairs talking in their ears, telling him, go for it,
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go for it, go for it. And we're seeing a
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whole different mindset about how to play fourth down. And
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Andy's maybe a little bit more inclined to do it
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than he was back in the day, but still, given
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where they were there, that field position and everything, I
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was very surprised. I was very surprised. And it turns
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up they run it and they didn't get it well.
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Speaker 1: As you and I discussed last week leading up to
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this game, the one thing that did not surprise us
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was the fact that we knew Kansas City defensively was
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going to make the concerted effort to stack the line
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of scrimmage and keep Saque from getting one hundred yards.
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He had eighty eight. He's getting closer to that sentry mark.
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But I think there's something missing from the Eagles offensive
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line as well, whether it's sustaining blocks, whether it's somebody's
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missing something.
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Speaker 2: On the calls.
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Speaker 1: But in two games, that offensive line hasn't been as
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dominant as I thought it would be. Now they face
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they faced defensive stacking the line of scrimmage a year ago,
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and they were still able to blow people off the ball.
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DA Dallas is not a great defensive front. They were
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able to hold their own in the trenches. Kansas City
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is a very good defensive front. They were able to
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hold their own into trenches from your perspective and maybe
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I'm missing something, but what is missing from this Eagles
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offensive line right now?
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Speaker 3: I haven't had a chance to go back and rewatch
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this game, but I want to and I will, just
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to see exactly that what's happening up front, because when
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I went back and watched the Dallas game, the frankly,
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the Eagles offensive line, I'm not sugarcoat.
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Speaker 2: They didn't play well. And you're not.
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Speaker 3: Used to saying that about the Eagles offensive line because
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they've they've been.
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Speaker 2: So good for so long.
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Speaker 3: But in the Dallas game, they didn't. They just did
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flat didn't play well. You know, my lot of missed
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a couple missed, a couple of blocks that he normally makes. Uh.
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Speaker 2: Lane Johnson, who like never makes a mistake, made some Dickerson.
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Speaker 3: I think we both know Dickerson's playing through some stuff Physically,
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he's not one hundred percent even close to it. I
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give him credit for gutting it out, but it's it's
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clearly he's not the player right now that he's been
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in the past.
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Speaker 2: And and Jurgens against Dallas, I thought he.
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Speaker 3: Played poorly, to be honest with you, Uh, the guy
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who played the best on that offensive line was was
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steam which you know, when you look back on it,
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he's the only one of the five that actually played preseason.
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I mean they played him some in the preseason and
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I think as a result, you know, he's right now
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maybe a little more ready to play than they were
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in Week one. Now that'll change as we move forward.
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I mean Milata and Johnson and those guys, they'll start
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playing like the players that been. But Week one, they
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did not have a good game, and it was I
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was partly reflected in what was happening with with Barkley. Now,
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Barkley didn't have a big game against the Chiefs, but
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I was he got his eighty eight yards. Now they
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were a tough eighty eight yards. Oh goodness, there there
20:35
was no chunk plays in there. I mean he fought
20:38
for every one of those yards, but he got him.
20:40
But that's the way it's going to be every week.
20:42
I mean, teams are going to come in with the
20:43
idea that we're going to try and stop Barkley. We're
20:46
not gonna let Barkley run over us. And you know
20:50
that that's what the Rams are talking about. They got
20:52
a double dose of it last year. Once in a
20:54
regular season. It once in the playoffs when Barkley just
20:56
ran him out of the stadium. Are they going to
20:59
let that happen again?
21:00
Speaker 2: I don't know. So I think the I think it's
21:03
going to beat.
21:03
Speaker 3: The challenge is going to be there for the Eagles
21:05
offensive line to up their game this week. Rams, because
21:10
I'll tell you, Derek, I really think that the Rams
21:14
are better than anybody that was have played so far.
21:17
I think the Rams are better than the Chiefs.
21:20
Speaker 2: I really do.
21:21
Speaker 1: Now.
21:21
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21:25
the Texans and the Titans are what they are. But
21:28
I think that I think the Rams are good and
21:30
I think that I think they're better than the Chiefs.
21:33
And even though the games here, I think it is
21:34
gonna be a tough game for the Eagles.
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Speaker 1: And I do believe the Rams are also going to
22:46
try to emulate some of the same things that Dallas data,
22:49
some of the same things that the Chiefs did to
22:51
try to slow down this Eagles offense. And when you
22:53
talk about this Eagles offense right second week in a row,
22:56
they saw a lot of zone coverage from the Chiefs defense.
23:00
And it's still perplexing to me because this offense is intact.
23:05
It's not like you have a lot of new components
23:07
in this offense like you do on the defensive side
23:09
of the football. But I don't understand why they're not
23:12
killing teams with the underneath routes. More more drag routes,
23:17
more stopping go curl routes. I don't get it right.
23:19
It's like they're playing right into a defense's hands. Even
23:22
with Dallas got it out of there. You have two
23:26
number one receivers, you have a decent backup in Calcutara.
23:29
But I don't understand why they're not finding more open
23:32
zones underneath to dic indunk your way down the field.
23:36
And it's costing them yardage, it's costing them time, possession
23:41
of time on the clock, and it's allowing the opposition
23:44
to make games closer than what I think they should be.
23:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with that. I would agree with that,
23:51
And you certainly have to look the play of Smith
23:54
was a huge playing the game.
23:55
Speaker 3: Yes, at a moment when you had to have it,
23:58
you got it, But throughout the game, no, I think
24:03
there has to be more you just watching them now
24:06
in both games again that made enough place to win.
24:11
The quarterback has not made big mistakes and he hadn't
24:13
turned the ball over, which is all everything you want
24:16
to do. But watching them now. I just don't feel
24:21
there's a rhythm to the offense. There's just just you
24:24
get a feeling when a team is just is just
24:26
moving in rhythm. You can just see it, you can
24:28
feel it, and they haven't found that yet. You know,
24:32
they get to play here, they get to play there,
24:34
but there's no there's no feel that they're that they've
24:37
got that kind of rhythm going, which maybe isn't a
24:41
terrible surprise because you know, again you didn't play and
24:44
these guys didn't play in the preseason, and there probably
24:47
is a little bit of a feeling out process with
24:49
the new offensive coordinator calling the plays. There's probably some
24:53
stuff they're needing to work out, and you know, I
24:56
think they can get there, but they're not there right now. Listen,
24:59
we all saw this team last year when they got
25:02
it rolling. I mean you you could just feel it.
25:05
I Mean, there was just a there was a pace
25:07
that they were playing at and a lot of it
25:09
was Barkley ripping off big plays, but they weren't all
25:12
sixty seventy yarders. He got his share, but I mean
25:15
a lot of it was the fours, the fives, and
25:18
you know that just kept the chains moving and set
25:20
up the inside pass as the routes, the digs, the curls,
25:24
the colin player you're talking about to both Smith and Brown,
25:27
who run those routes very well. Yes, that's that's the
25:30
stuff that they need to get back to, because that's
25:32
really who they are as a team.
25:34
Speaker 1: You know.
25:35
Speaker 2: And I think it's I think it's just a matter
25:37
of finding it. You know, it's there. The players are there.
25:41
We know that. And I don't I don't want to
25:43
blame the offensive coordinator. I don't think it's that.
25:46
Speaker 3: I just think it's I just think it's this team
25:48
who didn't do a whole lot of live stuff all summer,
25:51
just trying to just trying to get it get itself together.
25:55
Speaker 2: And this would be a good week to.
25:58
Speaker 3: Do it because the Rams are the Rams are playing
26:02
really good right now, you know, and Matthew Stafford's playing
26:05
really good, and uh Pooka is a terrific receiver. The
26:08
addition of Devontae Adams, as you know, gives them another
26:12
big weapon there there, and they're certainly.
26:15
Speaker 2: Coming in here motivated. Uh And the Eagles ended their
26:19
season last year and they're still feeling that.
26:21
Speaker 3: So I think this is going to be. I think
26:23
it's gonna be a tough game. I was a little
26:25
bit surprised. I don't know what I was thinking in
26:27
terms of the point spread. Yeah, when I opened today
26:29
at four and Eagles four and a half, that was
26:32
a little bit more generous than I thought, given how
26:34
good the Rams have looked. I know the Eagles are
26:37
the champs and they're two to zero, but again, I
26:40
guess we're kind of saying what we did last week,
26:42
don't count these guys out because I think they're a
26:45
dangerous opponent. Even though it's here, I think the Rams
26:47
come in as a dangerous opponent.
26:49
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you another thing the Eagles are thankful
26:51
for is that the tush Puss was given new life
26:54
in twenty twenty five. They ran it seven times Sunday
26:58
against the Chiefs. But the one thing that stood out
27:01
right on the on that that that the goldline call.
27:05
They were clearly the two guards jumped before the ball
27:09
was snapped, and the referees missed it. That could have
27:12
been a turning point in the game because that would
27:14
have moved the ball back five yards. I am shocked
27:16
the refs never missed that. They missed both guards jumping
27:20
before the.
27:21
Speaker 2: Snap, I know, and you saw Andy was livid, yes,
27:25
and rightly so, I mean they were clear. I mean
27:29
I wasn't even close. I mean, I was amazed that
27:33
that didn't get called.
27:34
Speaker 3: But here's one of the things that I'm thinking about
27:37
as a result of that, that they were going to
27:41
be the teams in the league that want to get
27:43
rid of the tush push yep. And there's a bunch
27:45
of them, and we know that the bunch of them
27:47
want to get it out. They have to find a
27:51
good argument for why to get it out. Okay, they
27:53
can't just say they're good at it, we're not that. No,
27:57
you need to have a really good case, make a
27:58
really good case for the to do it. Last year,
28:01
they tried the injury thing, Oh, it's a high injury play. Well,
28:05
then they said the Eagles presented that nobody's gotten.
28:07
Speaker 2: Hurt running this. Oh okay, well that argument. So they
28:10
got to find a new argument.
28:11
Speaker 3: So I could see I could see the new argument
28:15
being it's an impossible play to officiate. Yeah, it's too
28:20
hard for the officials see what's going on in there.
28:23
It's not fair play because the officials can't call it accurately.
28:27
That could be the argument this year, because they know
28:29
the injury thing didn't work, We've got to come up
28:31
with something else. They could start a whole thing now,
28:34
building a case that the play is too hard for
28:37
the officials to officiate. That's why it should be taken out.
28:41
Don't be surprised if that conversation starts.
28:44
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, Ray, they ran us seven times,
28:47
nobody got hurt. But you can already start to hear
28:51
little grumblings around the league about this Toushbush, I honestly
28:54
believe I don't know if you believe this or not.
28:56
I honestly believe this is the last year we're going
28:59
to see the toush because I think when when the
29:02
owners get together in the off season next year, I
29:04
think you're going to have even more owners on the
29:06
side of let's eliminate this play because basically what you said,
29:10
it's a play you really cannot officiate accurately.
29:13
Speaker 3: Right right, Well, I mean, you only survived by two
29:16
votes this year, and I really thought, I really thought,
29:20
based on what I was hearing from people that I
29:24
know that are in the league, that are pretty high up,
29:26
they're usually pretty plugged in before the owners meetings.
29:29
Speaker 2: He said, it's gonna get it's gonna get overturned.
29:34
Speaker 3: They you know, the Packers, the Packers, who are the
29:36
ones that have been really out front on this, And
29:39
they said, the Packers, the green Bay has been twisting
29:41
a lot of arms, calling in a lot of favors,
29:44
and they finally have their votes because remember they didn't
29:47
take the vote at the owner's meeting, the owners meeting,
29:50
they they called a special meeting like a month later.
29:52
So what that really was was Green Bay Mark Murphy,
29:56
the guy that runs the Packers, he was talking to
30:00
everybody at the owner's meetings and he realized, I don't
30:04
have the votes right now, but give me another month
30:08
to actually start twisting people's arms, and if we meet
30:11
in a month, I can have it done by that.
30:13
And people were telling me that he's going to pull
30:15
that off, that when they meet again and they have
30:17
the vote, it's going to get overturned.
30:19
Speaker 2: And it didn't.
30:20
Speaker 3: It's survived by two votes. But I agree with you,
30:24
especially if the Eagles win it again. Especially if the
30:27
Eagles win again and we see the tush pushes once
30:30
again a very big weapon in their arsenal.
30:35
Speaker 2: I would guarantee you that it's going to come out.
30:38
It makes out anyway.
30:39
Speaker 3: But if the Eagles go back to back in the
30:41
Super Bowl, almost certainly will and I think the argument
30:45
this time, I think the argument will be based on
30:47
the officiating that it's too hard, it's too hard to
30:50
play to call and for that reason it's unfair.
30:54
Speaker 1: Well, the Eagles offense scored twenty points, but this defense
30:58
really shined. They called Vic Fangio called not one, not two,
31:03
not three, but eleven blitzes in this game. I'll remember
31:07
Vince called more than four or five in any particular game.
31:10
That is a lot of faith that he put in
31:14
the youngest starting defense in the National Football League.
31:18
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, And that was I mean it's
31:21
a huge difference from the game he called against this
31:24
same team February, because they when they played in the
31:27
Super Bowl, I mean the ultimate all stakes game. Vic
31:31
got tremendous pressure on Mahomes. I had him running the
31:35
whole night and never blitzed once.
31:37
Speaker 2: I mean he front yep.
31:39
Speaker 3: I mean he went with forman pressure every play and
31:42
still got still got.
31:43
Speaker 2: Great pressure in this game. He blitzed more a lot.
31:47
Speaker 3: More yea, and got the win and got a significant
31:51
amount of pressure. I mean that they didn't sack Mahomes
31:54
a ton, but they were making them run a lot.
31:56
And I think that that sort of tells you a
32:00
little bit about that that's if he felt the need
32:04
to blitz more in this game, it means that maybe
32:07
he doesn't have he's not getting the pressure that he
32:09
was getting before. And I mean, that's kind of what
32:12
I took away from it, because that he took an
32:15
approach in that game, especially in the second half, that
32:17
was very different the way you need a Super Bowl.
32:19
He just took an evaluation said you know what, now
32:21
we're going to start blitzing. You know, we're not going
32:23
to We're not getting the pressure I really want. We're
32:25
gonna have to start sending some people. And that you
32:28
can look at that a couple different ways. It's vic
32:30
doing what he needs to do to win, which he
32:32
does pretty much throughout his career. But the other part
32:35
of it is he didn't have to do that last
32:36
year doing it now, so you know that's where you know,
32:41
that's why you as Zadarius Smith is here. You know,
32:44
I think that they felt like they needed to get
32:47
more pressure from the edge and listen for a guy
32:50
that got here two days ago. I mean Smith, I
32:54
mean played really well. He didn't play a ton of snaps,
32:57
but when he was out there, you knew he was
32:58
out there.
32:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.
33:00
Speaker 1: He had four tackles half sack tackle for a loss.
33:05
Not bad for a thirty three year old who was
33:07
sitting in hel waiting for somebody to give him a call.
33:09
Speaker 2: Who does.
33:09
Speaker 1: Once again for Howie for identifying we needed help on
33:12
that particular side of the field and going out and
33:15
getting a guy probably got him at a bargain basement
33:17
price at this particular stage of the season. But man,
33:21
he hits the ground running and he made his presidence
33:24
felt right away.
33:25
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean that's hand. It's Howie, you know.
33:29
Speaker 3: I mean he's he's sitting there, he's got the you know,
33:31
super Bowl champs and they won it. He's executive of
33:35
the Year. And the guy is not resting on his laurels.
33:39
Speaker 2: No, I mean he is.
33:40
Speaker 3: I mean every day, I mean he is looking at
33:43
that roster and he's looking at that team, and he's
33:45
looking at the personnel chart up on the wall and
33:48
trying to decide, Okay, how can we improve this team?
33:51
Now you know, well, who's up there on that board
33:54
that I can bring in that can make us better?
33:56
Like right now, I mean Basb you know, I mean
33:59
here he bring him in. That's I'll tell you.
34:03
Speaker 2: That's why.
34:03
Speaker 3: How he has really he has really grown into this
34:06
job of person of general manager slash personnel chief. Uh.
34:10
He every and everybody in the lague talks about it
34:13
is you know how he never It's like he never sleeps,
34:15
you know, even though he's even though they're defending champs,
34:18
there's not he never takes a day off. He's always
34:21
looking for ways to improve this team and bringing Smith in.
34:24
You saw it in just one game. He's already made
34:26
his presence felt, you know.
34:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, you look at Jalen Carter, he gets fine, didn't
34:31
get suspended, thankfully, the Eagles up hit him at his disposal.
34:35
How much of a difference did he make in the
34:37
trench warfare against the Chief Sunday?
34:39
Speaker 2: A lot? Yeah, a lot? I mean you you saw
34:42
that that he got what three or four quarterback hits?
34:47
Speaker 3: Uh? I mean he and you see on every play now,
34:50
I mean he's getting double teamed, uh so, and he's
34:54
still getting pressure.
34:54
Speaker 2: But even when he doesn't. When he doesn't get the pressure,
34:56
he's creating opportunities for the other guys. I mean he
34:59
is right now.
35:04
Speaker 3: I don't think I don't think I'm overstating this by
35:06
saying I think he's the most disruptive defensive player in
35:09
the league right now.
35:10
Speaker 1: I can't disagree.
35:12
Speaker 2: I really think he is.
35:12
Speaker 3: I mean, certainly at that position. I mean you can
35:15
argue maybe somebody on the edge. I can't think of
35:17
him right off hand, but maybe somebody outside.
35:20
Speaker 2: But in terms of.
35:21
Speaker 3: Lining up in the middle, I can't think of another
35:24
player in the league that causes as much havoc as
35:26
this guy does.
35:27
Speaker 2: And he was and he was playing his butt off
35:30
in this game. And you know what Jordan Davis is too. Yes,
35:33
I think Dan Davis.
35:35
Speaker 3: We all know he'd lost thirty pounds and really worked
35:37
to get himself in shape. But it's making a difference.
35:41
I mean, he played because Carter got kicked out of
35:44
the Dallas game. Jordan Davis had to play a ton
35:46
of snaps against the Cowboys, and he played really good.
35:51
And he came back in this game and had another
35:53
really good game. I think I think he's growing up
35:55
and really beginning to grasp the idea of what it
35:58
means to be a pro you know.
36:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it is.
36:03
Speaker 3: I mean, college football is one thing, but the professional
36:07
football is another thing.
36:08
Speaker 2: I Mean, it's a job up here, and you've got
36:10
to be ready to go all the time. And some
36:13
guys get that right away, and some guys have to
36:15
grow into it.
36:16
Speaker 3: And I think Jordan has now kind of grown into
36:19
it where he sort of carries himself and plays like
36:22
a professional, you know. And we always knew he had
36:24
the ability, and he certainly had the size and the power,
36:27
but I think you're seeing him take another step this year.
36:30
Speaker 2: And in the last two games, he's played a lot
36:33
that needed him to play a lot, and I thought
36:35
he's played really well.
36:37
Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned Jordan Davis to me. Davis and
36:40
Carter in this game showed what I call true grit,
36:45
which is an old John Wayne movie. Davis in and
36:49
out of there with cramping. It obviously had to do
36:54
with the heat and humidity was ninety degrees plus in
36:57
Kansas City. And how many times in the second half
36:59
of particular do we see Jalen Carter holding his wrist
37:02
and they both fought through that stuff to help this
37:06
team get that all important w young players. But those
37:09
are the type of things that you see in emerging
37:12
young leaders.
37:14
Speaker 2: I agree, I sort of saw the same thing. And
37:19
you know, those are those are tough conditions yesterday. I mean,
37:21
playing in that heat out there not easy.
37:25
Speaker 3: And listen, you're gonna be You're gonna be doing going
37:27
through the same thing in two weeks down in Tampa.
37:29
Speaker 2: I mean, you know what it's going to be like
37:31
in Tampa in two weeks. I mean that's going to
37:33
be like a steam bath. Uh.
37:35
Speaker 3: And we've seen Eagles teams, a lot of Eagles teams
37:38
early season games down in Tampa just will okay. And
37:43
I mean that's something you have to prepare for. I mean,
37:45
you got to prepare for the Bucks. You got to
37:47
prepare for Baker Mayfield. You got to prepare for that.
37:49
You also got to prepare for the conditions. You got
37:51
to prepare for the heat and the humidity. And they're
37:52
gonna face that in two weeks. They got to get
37:54
past the Rams this week and then you can't you're
37:57
gonna be able to catch your breath because you're gonna
37:59
have to go down to play the Bucks a week
38:01
after that, and that's gonna be tough. And then the
38:02
week after that you gotta play the Broncos. I mean,
38:04
there's gonna be no there's gonna be no breathers in
38:07
here for this team. But they've shown us through two
38:10
weeks at least that they can still come out ahead.
38:13
And that's you know, if you're going to defend your championship.
38:16
I know they don't like to use that term defend
38:17
the championship, but if you're gonna defend the championship or
38:20
get back to the big game to play for the championship,
38:23
these are the games that you have to win.
38:25
Speaker 1: You know. Fourth quarter, Kansas City's on the move. I
38:28
honestly thought they were about to go in and take
38:30
the go ahead score. Then Lloyd behold, they're the six
38:33
yard line. Mahomes goes to his favorite Kelsey baul Ricarscheve's
38:37
off his hands right into Andre Macoba's hand. There he
38:40
goes down the field, sets the Eagles up for a
38:43
test down and puts them up by ten. That's the
38:44
defining moment of the game. You know, Ray, it was
38:47
the only turnover in the game, but boy did that
38:49
come at the most opportune time for this Philadelphia Eagles
38:52
team when they could have been on their heels if
38:54
Kansas City had punched it in for a testdown.
38:57
Speaker 3: They were under heels. Yeah, under heels at that moment
39:00
because the Chiefs had finally found a rhythm to their
39:02
offense and and they I think it was like thirteen
39:06
play drive and they have it down inside. They're inside
39:09
the ten, and they're in a position where they could
39:12
take the lead, and it would have been that would
39:16
have been tough.
39:16
Speaker 2: And it was.
39:18
Speaker 3: When you watch that play, that is a play that
39:21
is a Mahomes and Kelsey have completed that pass a
39:26
thousand times.
39:27
Speaker 2: I mean, that's one of their favorite little hook plays
39:30
in the middle.
39:31
Speaker 3: And this particular time, Mahomes was a little bit hurried
39:35
through it, maybe a little too soon. You know, Kelsey
39:39
had not completely turned around to find it. He only
39:42
gets instead of catching it, he only gets one hand
39:44
on it pops up in the air and mccomba, who
39:48
you know, hit The scouting book on him coming out
39:50
of Texas was that this kid is always around the football.
39:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was what they said.
39:57
Speaker 3: It's very funny because when he was at Clemson that
40:00
that really wasn't true. I mean, partly was the way
40:02
they played him there when he became when he went
40:04
to Texas last year, he became much more of a
40:08
free safety kind of play the ball sort of guy,
40:11
and he demonstrated a real instinct for being around the ball.
40:14
Speaker 2: He had five picks last year at Texas, and that.
40:17
Speaker 3: Was that was why the Eagles liked him. That was
40:19
why the Eagles drafted him. And you saw that he
40:22
didn't play a ton in the preseason. But the first
40:24
game that he played in the preseason is one of
40:26
his first plays is a pick six. And then later
40:29
there's a play where he strips him and gets a
40:31
fumble and recovers it. And then in this game and
40:34
a really critical moment, I mean, he comes up with
40:37
an interception and a return that I mean, there's a
40:41
fourteen point swing right there.
40:42
Speaker 2: That's that's seven points that they don't get.
40:45
Speaker 3: And that's seven that you do talk about a fourteen
40:48
point swing in a three point game, you know, that's
40:50
if you want to identify the one big play of
40:52
the game.
40:53
Speaker 2: That's it. And this kid made it. You know, the
40:55
only thing I really.
40:57
Speaker 3: Liked him as a college player, I really did because
40:59
of this instinct thing we're talking about. The only thing
41:02
I was concerned about, and frankly, I'm still a little
41:04
concerned about, is his size. I just when you see him,
41:09
he's he's a very slim almost almost looks slender. Yeah,
41:13
And I just wonder, and he's already had a couple
41:16
of injury things. I just wonder if if he can
41:19
hold up over a whole season. But I really do
41:23
think in terms of the ability and the ability to
41:26
make big plays for a team that's looking for that
41:29
other safety, you know, I think he could be that
41:31
guy if he could, if he could stay on the field,
41:33
I think he could be I think he could be
41:35
a really key player for this team, even as a rookie.
41:38
Speaker 1: Well, Nick Sirianni looked at this team and said after
41:41
the game, this is a resilient team. As we move
41:45
forward and you look at this schedule, is that going
41:48
to be the battle cry all of this season that
41:50
they're gonna have to be resilient to to win more
41:52
games than they lose. I don't think they're gonna blow
41:55
out a lot of their opponents that they're going to
41:57
face this season, and I think it's going to be
41:59
the fine by big plays and big turnovers. Resilient is
42:04
that word we're gonna be talking about throughout the course
42:06
of this season.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's I think of the seventeen games, Yeah,
43:42
you know, you might. You might have a couple of
43:44
games that are a little fluky and that they win big.
43:47
You know, the other team makes a bunch of mistakes
43:49
and the Eagles win it easy. But I don't think many.
43:52
I mean, I i'd be one the bet ship. You know,
43:55
fourteen of the games are going to be just like this.
43:57
In the fourth quarter, it'll be You'll it'll be one
43:59
score game. That's listen. That's just pretty much the way
44:03
the NFL plays out these days. I mean, most of
44:05
the games tend to play like that, especially when you're
44:08
the champ and everybody's going for you. But the key
44:11
to the whole thing and resilience. What Nick said, resilience
44:15
is part of it. You have to you have to
44:17
have that, But the other part of it is just.
44:20
Speaker 2: Don't make mistakes. Just don't turn the ball over.
44:24
Speaker 3: And that's you know, the Eagles haven't done a whole
44:27
lot offensively. They certainly haven't been spectacular, but the one
44:30
thing you would say is they just haven't made any mistakes.
44:32
The quarterback hasn't thrown a touchdown pass, okay, but he
44:35
also hadn't turned the ball over.
44:38
Speaker 2: And so just be clean, be smart, be efficient. And
44:43
I think that's the way this team is built.
44:44
Speaker 3: And with the talent they have, the players they have, frankly,
44:48
the system they have, they're going to hit their stride.
44:50
Speaker 2: You're going to see that. I mean this time last
44:52
year they were on their way to two and two,
44:54
and everybody wanted to coach fire. You know, I think
44:57
we're past that point now. But I think that you
45:00
saw that last year.
45:01
Speaker 3: This team started really slow before they've sort of found
45:04
their way or found their identity. I think we're in
45:07
that phase now where they're trying to figure out kind
45:08
of what they are, but I have a feeling that
45:11
it's going to get there. But in the process, you're
45:13
gonna have to win some of these games, and you know,
45:15
the one two of them and the next two are
45:18
going to be equally challenging. The Rams are going to
45:21
be tough this week, and we always know the Bucks
45:23
are tough down there. So yes, got two wins, but
45:26
the next two games are going to be a test.
45:28
Speaker 1: Right right after that, well it wasn't pretty, but it
45:31
was resilient and more importantly, they're sitting at the top
45:35
of the NFC East at two and oh and up next,
45:38
as we've talked about, the La Rams are coming to
45:41
Philadelphia and we'll be right back here next week to
45:44
talk about that match up. So until then, for Ray Dindrum,
45:47
Derek Gunn, thanks for hanging out with us here on
45:49
Birds Weekly Solong. Everybody h