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Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (2004) · Project Geekology

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  Speaker 1: Welcome one, welcome all to Project Geekology.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for tuning in.
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  Speaker 1: Today is December 33rd, 2024.
• 0:07
  Speaker 1: We refuse to acknowledge another year's past.
• 0:12
  Speaker 1: It just doesn't seem like the right time.
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  Speaker 1: We are we're going to be covering something that I hope we can actually make it to the end of, because this is our cursed podcast.
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: I hope we can actually make it to the end of, because this is our cursed podcast.
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: This is the curse of the Prisoner of Azkaban, because we've tried to record this so many times.
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: It's probably I think this is our third time and, like last week, I was sick, so I couldn't record that week either, but I'm in good health.
• 0:40
  Speaker 1: I think everyone else is in good health.
• 0:41
  Speaker 1: So today we're covering Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban for our 105th episode of Project Geekology.
• 0:48
  Speaker 2: My name is Dakota and I'm joined, as always, with Anthony, and yes, man, I hope that the curse wasn't trying to take you out before we could record it.
• 1:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, I had a bit of an issue right before recording where I couldn't hear anything I had to unplug my speaker.
• 1:06
  Speaker 1: I was fiddling with that for like three minutes I'm not joking Before you even logged on, but we are here.
• 1:13
  Speaker 1: We have hopefully all rewatched Prisoner of Azkaban.
• 1:17
  Speaker 1: We're talking about the movie, not the book.
• 1:19
  Speaker 1: And, yeah, we're joined.
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  Speaker 1: As always, recently, rich has been a more regular contributor to our podcast.
• 1:28
  Speaker 1: Rich say hi.
• 1:28
  Speaker 3: How are you guys doing?
• 1:29
  Speaker 3: I'm very happy here to you know, kind of I think the problem is that you guys didn't have a strong enough Patronus and the Dementors got to you, you know, and I think that with my Patronus we're going to be able to have success today.
• 1:44
  Speaker 1: What is your Patronus, by the way, like, what do we know?
• 1:48
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's definitely a raccoon.
• 1:49
  Speaker 3: I think raccoons are nature's criminals and I love their masks.
• 1:53
  Speaker 1: That's a fantastic answer, Anthony.
• 1:55
  Speaker 1: Do you have a Patronus?
• 1:57
  Speaker 2: I do Well in the app.
• 2:01
  Speaker 2: It was like a fox, I had gotten like a fox in the app.
• 2:08
  Speaker 1: It was like a fox.
• 2:08
  Speaker 1: I had gotten like a fox.
• 2:09
  Speaker 1: I think I got a, a dog like um, like a basset hound or something in the app, but I feel like I'm more of a meerkat kind of guy dakota wants to emulate his timon and energy.
• 2:21
  Speaker 1: You know, speaking about timon, actually I I I don't know how this came up at work, but there's a guy uh, on my job.
• 2:30
  Speaker 1: His nickname is pumba.
• 2:32
  Speaker 1: He kind of looks like pumba and one of the other guys was like why not timon?
• 2:36
  Speaker 1: And he's just like what do I?
• 2:37
  Speaker 1: Look like timon, I look like pumba and and some other guy we were on on a bus going to work and he goes actually it's Simone, it's Simone in Pumbaa.
• 2:49
  Speaker 1: And there was a whole discussion of no, it's actually Simone, but this guy just was not having it.
• 2:54
  Speaker 1: So anyway, yeah, simone, it is definitely.
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  Speaker 2: Simone oh man.
• 3:02
  Speaker 1: Guys, what have you been up to this past couple weeks?
• 3:04
  Speaker 2: uh, we haven't talked since our last discussion yes, throw it, let's throw it over to rich uh, let's see.
• 3:10
  Speaker 3: Today I went to go see after the debacle from the war of the rehirum, had free passes and, uh, despite having free passes, got too lazy to go to that theater, so I went to the local theater to see sonic 3 all right yeah, I thought it was pretty good uh, you know, you had you had three passes or not three passes.
• 3:28
  Speaker 1: You had free passes and you, uh, just tossed them out for the sake of a better showing or a more comfortable showing yeah, I mean it's.
• 3:36
  Speaker 3: I'm still gonna you know they're.
• 3:37
  Speaker 3: I think I have a year to use them, so it's it'll get at some point at some point the.
• 3:43
  Speaker 3: If it was like 50 today, 50 degrees outside, I think I would have taken a jaunt over.
• 3:48
  Speaker 3: But when I saw the temperature I was like no and other than that just plain.
• 3:53
  Speaker 3: Dragon Age to Veilguard.
• 3:56
  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 3:56
  Speaker 1: How was Sonic 3?
• 3:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, I thought it was great.
• 4:00
  Speaker 3: I mean, I knew what I was going to watch.
• 4:02
  Speaker 3: My wife decided that she was like, hey, I want to go see the movie.
• 4:07
  Speaker 3: So I was like, oh okay, I'm sure she loved it, not sure if you're going to love it.
• 4:11
  Speaker 3: So she did not play Sonic the Hedgehog, any of them.
• 4:16
  Speaker 3: I think she can identify the character.
• 4:19
  Speaker 3: So there's that.
• 4:21
  Speaker 3: That's all you need, really.
• 4:22
  Speaker 3: But what did she say?
• 4:26
  Speaker 3: How much money did they give Jim Carrey to lower himself to that Two times?
• 4:34
  Speaker 1: Isn't this number three?
• 4:37
  Speaker 3: Well, he plays two characters in the movie.
• 4:39
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah he's pulling an Eddie Murphy type.
• 4:43
  Speaker 3: Not quite, but there is yeah, I got you.
• 4:47
  Speaker 1: I got you.
• 4:47
  Speaker 1: That's cool.
• 4:47
  Speaker 1: How's dragon age?
• 4:50
  Speaker 1: Sorry, I don't know.
• 4:50
  Speaker 2: You go you're good, no, no, I was gonna say well, I mean, you know there's a lot of people that could say the same thing about many jim carrey movies.
• 4:59
  Speaker 2: If you, you really just don't care for his stuff.
• 5:02
  Speaker 1: But I don't know.
• 5:03
  Speaker 1: I enjoyed him as doctor.
• 5:04
  Speaker 1: He did play a print.
• 5:05
  Speaker 1: Uh count olaf, which you know has a whole bunch of different personas so yes, yes, but yeah, um, yeah, continue away with the dragon's age oh, dragon, I think it's great.
• 5:18
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, the games don't come out super close to each other, so I think the last one came out for xbox 360, I believe yeah, it's been like over a decade, right, you know yeah.
• 5:30
  Speaker 3: So I started playing it and I'm like, oh soulless.
• 5:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember varick, okay, you know, and I I feel like at the beginning there's a.
• 5:40
  Speaker 3: The best part is like you start off as a guy, they end up calling rook, and I'm assuming because you're like a rookie and you know he's confused and I almost feel like the conceit they made was well, it's been a long time, so let's have the main character be confused because the people playing have no idea what's going on anymore.
• 5:58
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I had one of those things you know there's a slider for like, oh, what did?
• 6:02
  Speaker 3: What decision did you make here or here?
• 6:04
  Speaker 3: I had that happen in the Witcher and I hadn't played Witcher 2.
• 6:08
  Speaker 3: So I went online and tried to do some research.
• 6:12
  Speaker 3: But for this game I was just like I made these decisions and I don't remember them because it was 10 years ago.
• 6:19
  Speaker 3: But other than that, I think it's great because it starts off very much more like linearly linear.
• 6:28
  Speaker 3: All right, I think you guys know what word I'm trying to say that I can't get out yes, but then it starts to get sandboxing, you know it.
• 6:35
  Speaker 3: It kind of keeps you like real focus.
• 6:37
  Speaker 3: At the beginning and I think it's good, because I played skyrim and I epically remember becoming the mage, the arch mage of the mages guild, before I learned to shout my friend came over the house and said what shouts do you have?
• 6:52
  Speaker 3: And I said what are shouts?
• 6:53
  Speaker 3: And he's like how long have you been playing this game?
• 6:56
  Speaker 3: I was like I'm playing for a couple of weeks and he's like wait, how are you the arch mage of the mages guild?
• 7:07
  Speaker 3: But you don't know any shouts.
• 7:08
  Speaker 3: So I like I like kind of being funneled.
• 7:09
  Speaker 1: And then being allowed to sandbox and then funnel again.
• 7:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I gotcha, I gotcha cool, did you foos rodah?
• 7:13
  Speaker 1: Oh, eventually, eventually, he had to.
• 7:15
  Speaker 1: Uh, anthony, what have you, what have you been up to?
• 7:19
  Speaker 2: I have been up to uh kind of like hopping between marvel rivals and overwatch.
• 7:27
  Speaker 2: You know the it's like those winter events kind of going on.
• 7:31
  Speaker 2: Uh, marvel rivals has this, uh jeff the land shark event going on and uh, overwatch always has like something like that going on.
• 7:40
  Speaker 2: So I always like, so I've been kind of like popping in between those.
• 7:45
  Speaker 2: But then I've also I've gotten.
• 7:47
  Speaker 2: I got like a bunch of games kind of like throughout, like the holiday season, because steam always has like these sales.
• 7:55
  Speaker 2: They had like the black friday sale, then then there's like the winter sale and and so like between all those I've gotten, I've gotten a couple games.
• 8:04
  Speaker 2: I've got that metaphor game by Atlus.
• 8:07
  Speaker 2: I haven't been able to hop into it yet but I really like want to because they say it's like kind of like Persona-esque, like it's almost like kind of like a blend of Shin Megami and Persona, so like I really want to hop into that.
• 8:23
  Speaker 2: And I got a couple of final fantasy games I got.
• 8:29
  Speaker 2: So so, um, next month, I think, no, no, later this month final fantasy rebirth is coming out onto steam and they had like a a pre-release sale on it.
• 8:42
  Speaker 2: So I I ended up getting that and I got a final fantasy game that a lot of people don't like and I never really gave it a chance because of that.
• 8:52
  Speaker 2: So I was like, oh you know, let me uh check it out.
• 8:54
  Speaker 2: But uh, final fantasy 13 I like 13.
• 8:57
  Speaker 1: It's I.
• 8:58
  Speaker 1: I liked the the open world aspect to it.
• 9:01
  Speaker 1: But I have to say my favorite final fantasy game is 12.
• 9:06
  Speaker 2: I just thought that the world building was so cool in 12, but uh final fantasy 12 is good and that that does hold a lot for a lot of people.
• 9:14
  Speaker 1: I think my favorite is 10 nice, that's a good one, too rich.
• 9:17
  Speaker 1: Do you ever?
• 9:18
  Speaker 1: Have you ever played a final fantasy and or have a favorite?
• 9:21
  Speaker 3: so I, for some strange reason, I've only really played seven.
• 9:26
  Speaker 3: I don't understand it, because at the time it was definitely my.
• 9:31
  Speaker 3: I remember, uh, there was like a knights of the round table, uh spell or there was a materia or something and there was a knights of the round table and it was like an epic crazy move.
• 9:43
  Speaker 3: That was like 97 attacks and I thought it was.
• 9:46
  Speaker 3: I remember it was so beautiful that I called my father in, who didn't play video games, didn't know anything about Final Fantasy.
• 9:54
  Speaker 3: I'm like you have to see this.
• 9:55
  Speaker 3: It's so good this materia I've got, so I was like super into it.
• 10:01
  Speaker 3: And I remember when what's her name?
• 10:03
  Speaker 3: Aerith?
• 10:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, aerith, aerith gets, yeah, stabbed by Sephiroth At the end of the first disc.
• 10:13
  Speaker 3: I loved it, and then I don't know why I haven't played any of the other ones.
• 10:19
  Speaker 3: I tried to play the remake briefly, but I just didn't have it in me.
• 10:24
  Speaker 2: The remake is really good.
• 10:25
  Speaker 2: It essentially takes the first two hours of the original game and expands it out to 60.
• 10:33
  Speaker 2: Really, yeah.
• 10:35
  Speaker 3: I spent way too many hours racing Chocobos to try to get the right breed.
• 10:41
  Speaker 3: I think that's what scared me away from going back.
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: I got so deep into chocobo breeding that it was, uh, kind of disturbing so what I love about final fantasy I don't know if we've ever talked about it on the podcast is that every numbered um introduction into the series is a new universe or a new world, and they're not connected.
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: That's so okay seven will never connect to eight, which will never connect to eight, which will never connect to nine, which will never connect to ten.
• 11:07
  Speaker 1: So that's why, within certain ones, they'll have like final fantasy 7, um dirge of cerberus, and it's an entirely different game, but it's set in the final fantasy 7 universe.
• 11:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why there was like three final fantasy 13s, like uh 13, then 13, 2 and 13, 3 I think yeah, uh, lightning's return yeah, so you get a bunch of that.
• 11:31
  Speaker 1: The first, the first one I ever played was 10 10 2, which was just glorified fan service um yeah, I remember that that that was the one with uh y.
• 11:42
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 11:43
  Speaker 2: Riku I think her name was Riku.
• 11:46
  Speaker 2: And then Pain, yes, Pain.
• 11:50
  Speaker 1: I forgot about that.
• 11:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was I actually, but I liked it so much because I had never played anything like that before, so that opened the door for me.
• 11:58
  Speaker 1: But yeah, that was fun.
• 12:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember that.
• 12:03
  Speaker 2: I actually remember you playing that.
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that was the first because I had played Kingdom Hearts and I knew some of the Final Fantasy characters were in Kingdom Hearts.
• 12:12
  Speaker 1: That was like a big stepping stone for me to get into the Final Fantasy world and that was the new game that had come out after.
• 12:20
  Speaker 1: I think it was the first Kingdom Hearts.
• 12:22
  Speaker 1: The new Final Fantasy game that came out after Kingdom Hearts was X-2.
• 12:25
  Speaker 1: So I got that, I enjoyed it and I played a couple more after that.
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: But oh, anthony, I have played a little bit of Rivals, which made me want to play Overwatch a little bit.
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: So I played Overwatch a little bit and I know like there's like 10 characters I've never even seen before.
• 12:44
  Speaker 3: Like it's changed so much and I feel like there's like 10 characters I've never even seen before.
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: Like yeah, it's changed so much and I feel like they're pumping out more characters more often, is that?
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: there, yeah.
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: So so I think that they're trying to kind of up the frequency of it a little bit so they don't release a new character every season, the it's almost like every other season they'll release a new character.
• 13:04
  Speaker 2: So this new season that came out, they released a new tank.
• 13:07
  Speaker 2: His name is hazard.
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: So next season, though, that there won't be a new character so do you have to pay for hazard as a no, as a new?
• 13:16
  Speaker 2: oh, so you can just no so so you never had to to buy the new characters.
• 13:23
  Speaker 2: At first they had put them into the battle pass and so you had to like kind of grind up to, like, I think, level 44 in the the battle pass, but like you could do it in the like the free version.
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: They since then took them out of the battle pass.
• 13:37
  Speaker 2: I I honestly thought it was in poor taste.
• 13:39
  Speaker 2: Some people didn't agree with me, but I thought that it was really dumb that they would put new characters into the Battle Pass.
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: Because it's like dude, you have this new character, this new character that's going to change the dynamic and whatnot of a game, and then you have no access to this character character you know and you you can't really try this character out until unless you paid for the premium or you grind it all the way up to level 44, which you know some people you know like unless, like, you're a teenager or somebody that doesn't have like a crazy amount of hours and a job.
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: You're just not gonna have the time to do that.
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: Maybe on the weekends.
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: You have to grind to level 44 every season to play the new character.
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: Every season that there was a new character, you would have to grind up to level 44 that battle pass and then you would unlock them.
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: That's too much, yeah, that's too much, anyway, but yeah, they took that off now.
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: Now characters are available right off the rip.
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: Nice, good Good for Overwatch players.
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: Have you been up to anything else, or it was just mostly gaming?
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: Mostly gaming and watching this movie with hopes that we make it through.
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: The goal with this podcast is to reference the movie as little as possible so that you know the curse doesn't befall us.
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: We just you know it goes right over the curse's head no, I'm kidding, but yeah, how about you, dakota?
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: what have you been up to?
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: we've been babbling on no, it's okay, that's all right.
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: Um, that's all part of the game.
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: No, I I've been jumping into that show.
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: I mentioned last time the dragon prince oh it's a netflix exclusive show it.
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: It definitely has a very strong avatar, the last airbender vibe even in like the the show's premise.
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: I have not watched arcane, but I can see why some people would compare the two and and yeah, it's Arcane's good, arcane's really good.
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: I want to get into that.
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: I think that's my next tackle after Dragon Prince.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: But the seventh season of Dragon Prince just uh released and it's supposedly the final season, so I've currently watched.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: I'm on season four now.
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm loving it.
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: It's it's actually so, so fun uh, and it's such a well thought out world.
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: Um, and and the main character, one of the main characters, is voiced by the same guy who plays saka, and oh yeah, I remember telling us that yeah's cool.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: There's a really funny scene.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: It's really not spoiling anything, but I had one of those.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: You know that gif of Leonardo DiCaprio pointing at the TV.
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: I had one of those moments where Sokka picks up something that looks curved and he goes or not Sokka?
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: He's not Sokka in this, his name's Callum.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: So Callum picks up this, this like weapon it's kind of a curved thing and he goes boomerang as if, like, he recognizes boomerang from another life yeah it was just so funny I died laughing.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: But there's a bunch of those little references from just like pop culture in general that it's really cleverly woven in and basically the premise of the show is humans and elves kind of live on separate sides of this continent and they've been in like a long winded battle for the past 300 years.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: The past 300 years until recently.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: One of the kings of the humans killed the dragon king, which was kind of like the protector of the continent and on the elves side.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: So that became a catalyst for the story to to happen, where basically now the dragon prince is involved and you know he's the key to there being peace, so getting this small egg back to its home.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: It's it's a really fascinating story and it's it's long-winded in the sense that the, the initial quest that they set out on doesn't even get resolved until the end of season three.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: So it doesn't like have huge jumps in in like time and it's really I I'm really blown away by.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Eventually I want to cover it on the show because I think, uh, you guys would really like it that'd be cool.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen it.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: I've seen it around, but I've never like taken a dive in it.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: But it's, it's definitely on my, my watch list.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm interested in checking it out and so, like you know, hearing about it from you, I'm definitely pretty stoked to uh check it out.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, I I started a well, I started a show.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: It's not a new show, but it's always something that I've heard that's really good.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: I know it's gonna be kind of random and it it's not really like this the type of show that we talk about here, but it's called the wire.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: It's an hbo yeah yeah, I heard it's really.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, I've never actually sat, got sat down to watch, but I've heard like that it's like one of the best shows on hbo along with sopranos, hbo is just saturated with good shows.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, no, it's, it's.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Uh, I've, I've, I watched it when it was coming out, but I was a kid at the time, so I don't really remember anything.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: But, yeah, that that's it.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: That's pretty cool.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Uh, guys, we are 20 minutes into our recording.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Should we jump into the?
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Episode that shall not be named.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Prisoner of that one prison that we can't talk about.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Rich, what is your relation, uh, to the harry?
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, you did.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: You did mention that you were big into harry potter, um, a couple shows ago, or last show, I think it was.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: What about the films like?
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: How do you like the films?
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: I don't know yeah, I mean, I think they're they're fairly faithful.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: Uh, I, I I really liked all of them.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, I try, I'm trying to think.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: I think that the way it started for me was I may have seen the first film and then, after seeing it, then I decided I wanted to read the books, like I think I had waited until just before the sixth one came out, I believe.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: Uh, so you know, I was really into the books.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: I don't have really trying to think.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: I don't have any complaints about the movies, like character descriptions, anything like that, the things that think the way things played out.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: I I thought the the movies were really a really faithful adaptation to the books and I enjoyed them thoroughly yeah, um, I was reading the books before the movies came out.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: I think I, if I remember correctly, I started reading the books when prisoner of azkaban came out, the, the book, the novel, um, not the film that we shall not name and I was basically the same age as harry was in in, like the early stories, so it was.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: It was very easy for me to jump into that character mindset and um the world of hogwarts, but it wasn't until, I mean, it was already like a global sensation at the time.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: But when the films came out, that kind of changed everything, because, a they were extremely faithful, b they were really good and c they had such a cozy vibe I don't know how else to describe it like they do you turn on.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: You know the sorcerer's stone.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: It just has like a charm to it that doesn't seem replicable.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Like I I that HBO is working on a Harry Potter series.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: I'm interested tentatively.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: I don't think that they need to do that.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: But maybe there's something there that can be good.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: I really don't know, but we shall see.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: I just don't see how they'll recapture that early 2000s vibe, because really it was that early 2000s vibe because it really was.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: It was, it was almost like 90s vibe, like bleeding into the 2000s, and there were certain practicalities and in the ways that they were filming at the time that it just it just looks so good because it was was filmed on film, not digital.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: So I don't know, I I'm rambling at this point.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: No.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: No, you're right though, because that's essentially the books take place in the 90s.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: And so, really, the time meshed well with how the movies and the stories are coming out For me.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Harry Potter we've talked about it before.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: You were the one that got me into Harry Potter.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: The movies had not come out yet.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Potter, we've talked about it before.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: You were the one that got me into harry potter, the the movies had not come out yet.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: I think that I don't remember when did goblet of fire come out?
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: The movie, no, the book I want to say 2004.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: was it 2004?
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: We have, let's figure this out.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Because I mean, if that's the case, then I started reading Harry.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Potter before.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Oh no, it was published in 2000.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Okay, and the first movie came out in like 2001.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Correct, so I had read.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: I started reading the books right after the Goblet of Fire came out, because I remember that I think you had talked about it.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: You were like, oh, I think you had gotten the book and I didn't know I hadn't been part of the Harry Potter world, and you let me borrow the first one and, dude, I was hooked.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: I was hooked from then on and then, yeah, so I got up to four and then we had to wait for the rest.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: I had never been that excited for a series like to actually like read a series in the same way.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: And I don't think there's ever going to be anything like that again, where there was just no culture around reading but for young people.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: You know there was before that there really wasn't a big children's book series that swept the world, and I don't think we'll ever reach that height of anything again, just because you know it was just wholly unique.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: You know it introduced reading for fun to a whole generation, but anyway it did but it captured a lot more like it wasn't just kids it captured yeah adults.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: You know, like there's it's, it's tough, you know, like you know we, we, you know, would read.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: You know tolkien and maybe cs lewis, but like not every kid's gonna read tolkien.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: They might read cs lewis, but like you know yeah your boy.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: You know we already talked about like how his stuff is like pretty deep and it's a little.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's hard for like a kid to understand some of that stuff too, and so I like the way that that like yeah, like you were talking about the faithful adaptations, it really gave you a visualization and a face to these characters as we started to read the new ones that would come out.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: I would picture Daniel Radcliffe as Harry Potter.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Yes, actually, that's a really good way to put it it definitely gave voice, or it gave um a visualization, to the characters, uh, in in ways that I don't think anyone was really expecting.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: But yeah with, uh, with the first two movies directed by chris columbus, they had a very specific.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: They were almost like christmas movies, if that makes sense.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Very like wintry, um, a lot of snow a lot of a lot of that but you could also like they.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: They were really good.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: It was almost like the nightmare before christmas.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: You could watch that in the fall, or you could watch that during the winter, like you know they had like a really good vibe.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Like harry potter is like really good to watch in like the second half of the year.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: You know you can watch it whenever, um, but, like you said, there's that cozy vibe and like the coziness, especially, like you know, in the areas where the the weather changes and it starts to get cold and so, like you know, if you're in a place that has, you know, like a fireplace, you know like you're watching harry potter, you've got the crackling of the fire.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: You know you might, you may be drinking some, some coffee or tea or hot chocolate.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: That really like enhances that, that mood.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: You know harry potter, like it's dude it's, it really does like set a mood.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like sitting by sitting by a hearth in like a yes, yes yeah, it's like a, it's that vibe.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: So what I, what I was trying to like, what I'm getting at is, with chris columbus, you had that vibe yeah, but with this one with alfonso cuaron, he changed that up quite a bit.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's still, you know, a comfort movie.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Uh, the whole series really is, but this one is particularly dark not only um tonally, but like the, the themes are dark, the actual visualization, the color scheme is dark and like cold and it's not.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: It doesn't have that hearth vibe.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: If that makes, if that makes sense, you know it doesn't.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: It's not like a movie that's gonna warm you up.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I was really taken aback by.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: They're not taken aback.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: I've seen this movie a hundred times probably.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: But the actual directorial imprint on this film I was paying attention to more on this last viewing and I was really just he had a lot of flair.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: It was a lot of flair, you know, like it was a lot of a lot of really cool filmmaking that we don't really get to see.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: With the rest of this, this, this, not trilogy, but this series like.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: One thing that I noticed a lot of times is that he would fade out of scenes by putting like a vignette around the corners of the screen when all the corners would get dark.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: And then it would close in on a character's face Really just so cool.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of times where certain things are just blacked out in the corners, like you're not supposed to look at this, this is what you're supposed to focus on.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: I love that kind of stuff and even just the stylistic use of magic.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: I know I have a lot of issues with the, the opening scene in this movie where harry's breaking the law and and you know, like doing his, like lumos under his covers outside of hogwarts, because that's obviously you know that's a, that's obviously an offense, a breach of magical law, but I think it's a really just gorgeous way to open up the movie.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: You know, like with with the warner brothers logo.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: You know, you're like zooming in on like this light.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: That's like getting brighter and brighter as as he's practicing, uh, lumos I know, in that last one, what do you use?
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Like lumos maxima, like bro, like he just shown the whole, like house man and I love I love the uh, the coordination of having vernon, vernon dursley like just like, keep like trying to like see what the heck's going on like.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: What is that bright light?
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: you know what that reminds me of, that that reminds me of um.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: You know, like the kids of that time would, would remember stuff like that, the game boy dude it had the same vibe, the game boy vibe with a little light, and then you're like playing.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: You're playing pokemon, and then, like you know that you're not supposed to, and then, like you hear somebody coming, like you like laid on your chest, like pretending that you're asleep, and then you go or you're.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: You're a junior in high school who's way too old to be playing pokemon religiously, dude and I played all the way through high school I was playing it in english class and a teacher came to check our homework and I had to flip the pages over and I could see the red light shining through the pages of loose leaf.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: Luckily he wasn't paying enough attention so he just walked by because I you know he's like no, that's just my dalek under the pages.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, um, no, no, but, but I agree, uh, and and I think that that tonal shift, especially for the movies, was necessary.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Because the third book was a tonal shift, because the first two books felt very much so like entry, like really good entry level points for especially like kids that are like starting to like read, like it was, it was really good and it didn't really punish you.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Being a young kid reading these books, like you might have not understood some of the names, like I'm.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you, like I butchered hermione's name.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: I didn't know how to say her name.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: I did not know how to say hermione's name until the movie came out.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that's how you say it yeah, my, my mom like, because she was also reading the books.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: She, she like, was very adamant.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Her name is hermone.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Her name is hermone.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: I'm like, are you sure?
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: how do you pronounce this?
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: It's, it's not, it's not hermone but yeah, so you know this book definitely shifts in the darker direction too.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Um, for me as a kid, like reading this book, it was confusing to me.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Like, especially like towards the end, is like oh yeah you know, like it's also or maybe it's a little bit rough, because like you're reading the same thing over and over, with, like like variable changes you know very slight changes from maybe a different point of view, but like they're still explaining what's happening and you just you just heard about it and you're like like I remember reading about the time turner but I'm like, oh my gosh, like I just read this, what happened?
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah it's, it's a little, it's a little trippy, uh, rich.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: What do you think about the?
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: I guess the tonal shift in this movie as opposed to the previous two, uh I think it makes sense, right in terms of the harry's journey, I suppose, right, it's like he gets kind of cozy in number one, still still trying to figure things out in number two and then you kind of you, you get the shift where it also does change Harry in a way.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: I think he becomes, I don't want to say self.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: He doesn't fight, I don't think he really treats himself as the most important person and of course you know he is the boy who lives, so he battles with that Right.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: But there are times where, like later on he does, he will make decisions that are they're not well thought out and they're, you know, some of it, I think, is because of this whole idea that he needs to constantly be vigilant.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: And I think you start seeing it in this movie where you know he's convinced that his dad created the Patronus and he just won't listen to anybody, he won't listen to any logic, you know, which is.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: You know, I understand.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: I mean three years ago he didn't know that magic was a thing and now now there's magic, so maybe his dad is alive, but he he so is, is into that, and I think that it's that becomes, that really becomes an adult right theme there that you have, where you have this well it's.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: I want to jump in there because I I think that that's actually a really important part.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Um, to like harry's story sorry, I have like sirens going off left and right around me.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on outside.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Joker's taking over.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: What was I going to say?
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so in the course of this movie he meets all three of his father's friends.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: You know his best buddies, the Marauders.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: He meets three of the Marauders, and one of the Marauders was said to be a killer until he wasn't.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: He actually is my godfather.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: He's been looking after no, he's actually, he's just been a rat for a long time.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: So in that moment he sees someone who's capable of producing a Patronus that he cannot currently manage, and in his mind he's thinking well, if my dad's friend just came back from the dead, if my dad's friend broke out of prison to be with me, if my dad's friend came to teach at Hogwarts, then maybe my dad's here you know like I can see that?
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can see that going on in his head Like he's overcome with, like newfound faith in the people that came before.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: And poor Hermione has to be like no one's coming, harry, like that doesn't make sense Harry, yeah, so yeah, yeah yeah, yeah.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: You know I didn't, I didn't even really think about that, that he, um, you know that he could have had that belief because of all that happening, but in the end he just ended up.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: He ended up gaslighting himself.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: It was him the whole time.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: I just want to know why peter?
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: peter.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: See, here's what we all know.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: We all know about the weasley family.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: Right it's?
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: It's a very, it's a very packed house in there, right I don't?
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: You could be a rat anywhere.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: You know, he could go to france and become a famous chef.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: I just don't understand why he decides to live with the weasleys.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Not the Ratatouille reference so.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know if this is like an actual, if this is like fact or I'm just like creating logic for the sake of it, but I would imagine that he would want to stay informed with the goings on of the wizarding world to a degree where he would need to be around people who are currently attending Hogwarts or work in the Ministry of Magic enough so that he can basically get some insight into whether or not he who must not be named ever returns.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: You know, because ultimately he sold himself out for that.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: So that would be the only opportunity for him to come back as a human.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Because, you know, he put one of his friends in jail.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: He, he's pretending to be dead, so a lot.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: To me, the logic is he would want to be somewhere in the middle of everything, but, uh, with a family who would actually take care of him, like the malfoys are never going to take care of a rat, you know, I don't know, maybe, maybe that makes sense to you, listener, that makes me maybe, maybe it doesn't I I I can see that like the weasleys will feed him right like the malfoys would have a nicer house and everything and maybe he'd have a a more swanky like a little hole in the wall, but he'd probably have to scrounge for food a lot more.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: And you know, who knows, maybe at that time dobby's not a nice guy to to rats, so that could be a problem.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: Like maybe you know, one of the reasons why they don't want dobby to get his freedom is we don't really know but he's very mean to animals like maybe that's the thing maybe that's the thing.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: One of my favorite shots in this movie is pretty early on, when um harry's at the leaky cauldron and he's he's joining the weasleys for breakfast and it's this long shot, um, I don't know if you guys ever noticed it, like when they, when they come downstairs, um, and you know they point out the fact that ron has, you know, been talking about uh, going to egypt for you know the, you know for the summer, to everyone, that whole shot pans to.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: You know we miss Weasley talking to him and then Arthur Weasley pulling him off to the side.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: So there's, there's a whole rig set up for the, the entirety of the shot, to go into like the, the cracks, cracks over here and then back out to the whole family and it's a two or three minute long take that has no right being as good as it is, but it works so well because everyone in this is such a good actor.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: At least they know their roles really well and I really appreciate that.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: And that's the great thing about Harry Potter is that everyone knows their roles so well and I don't know how they did it, but 90, 95 of the kids that they cast to play these actors played them for eight films, you know, like we've never seen that in a movie or tv show.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Um, to that extent where kids that were hired as child actors grew up to be adult actors in the roles that they're playing.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: I think that's so cool yeah, I mean, shoot some.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Some adult actors don't even make it to like the next season of of a tv show rings of power, um, you know.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, I mean, no, you're right, like the fact that they last, and you know this, this was 10 years, man, 10 years from 2001 to 2011, that that these movies came out they lasted longer than dumbledore did.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: He got replaced, oh yeah oh yeah, he was it.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: This the actor died oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I was like, that wasn't his fault.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: Well, if you, if you read a little bit of him on set, he, uh, he wasn't helping himself out.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: Uh, let's just.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: I think michael oh really I'm not sure if it's michael gambon, I don't.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: I know that's one of the actors I don't want to he's.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Michael gambon is the second actor.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Okay, so the first one, I think.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: think his name is Richard something.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: He was notoriously drunkard on set there were times where they had to reschedule things.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: He was kind of a hot mess on set.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: What I will say is I think the first actor, I forget his name.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: What I will say is I think the first actor, I forget his name, but I think the first Dumbledore actor did portray the role more like I understood it as a kid in my head.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, absolutely.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: He did a really good job, but that doesn't mean that Gambon doesn't come into the role as the series progresses.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: I didn't necessarily like him in this movie.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: It's Richard Harris, by the way.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Richard Harris.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: What else did he play?
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: He was in gladiator.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Uh, he was the.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: He was marcus aurelius yeah oh, we should do gladiator on the show sometime.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: That'd be pretty cool.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Sorry, random thought no, no, but yeah, I, I agree, I will say that, um, the, the second actor, I mean he, he had to like kind of, I guess, get a feel for the role.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: So this first movie with him in it was maybe not his best, but I'm gonna be honest with you I I would have been none the wiser, because prisoner of azkaban is not my favorite to be fair.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: So not to say that it's terrible, tell me about that, Anthony.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Express your emotions to us, Like why do you hate?
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Prisoner of Azkaban.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Why do you step on it when you see it in the street?
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: So I love a lot of what Prisoner of Azkaban brings in.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: Like you know, you get um, these like creatures, like the dementors.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: You get a really cool character in serious black and remus loop lupin, like, don't get me wrong, there's a lot of greatness that came out of this movie and like book, but it's just, you know, with the introduction of like the time travel mechanic, for me that just did not feel magical, like it felt very sci-fi instead of fantasy, sure, that's, you know I.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: I know that that mechanic is used in fantasy, but it just wasn't my favorite and I feel like that sentiment is shared by a lot of people, because you never see it again well, yeah, I, I think they mention, I think they mentioned time turners in the fifth book, which is when they go into the ministry of magic.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: supposedly time turners were basically made illegal and then somehow they all got destroyed during the siege of the Ministry of Magic.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: So clearly Rowling realized this is just like a deus ex machina and needs to be put away.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: It cannot possibly fix every issue that they have and ultimately, if you really pull that thread, that's a plot hole.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: You know, like the fact that they have the ability to just turn back time.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: If they turn it long enough, they can stop Voldemort from killing Harry's parents if they wanted to.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: I mean honestly, what was stopping them from just making it a magical broom cupboard that transported them through space and time?
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: You know that was larger in the inside than it looked in the outside.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: Time, you know that was larger than in the inside, than it looked in the outside, you know you know, um, oh wait, I feel like I feel like that, that that, uh, that that that's been used before somewhere.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: I can't somewhere, somewhere well, at least there's a broom cupboard that you know teleports you magically.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Uh, later in this series with malfoy, you know like there is the room of requirement yeah, the room requirement has a broom cupboard that goes straight to nocturne alley, which is like how convenient is oh yeah, like the um, it was like a pathway, it was like two um borgen and burks.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like a pathway.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: It was like two Borgen and Burks.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like two wardrobe things.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: You know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I know exactly what you're talking about.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: That's funny, but yeah, so I don't know.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: It's just, it was just never my favorite.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: I always watch it because I want to watch the entire series.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: But I go from the first two movies, which I absolutely love Maybe the first one more so than the second one, but the second one is still really good and then you get to the third one, which looks really visually appealing, and now they're not kids anymore, they're teens, and so they look different, and so it's really cool to see like you know them, you know a little bit more grown up.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: But, like my, my favorite one well, as far as like books, my favorite one is the goblet of fire, because the it it really made the world a lot bigger in the book because you had the whole, the whole world cup thing.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: That was like it was a huge section in the book and then and it was like a smaller section in the movie.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: But I know that we're talking about the, the third movie.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: I'm, you know you're trying to express your thoughts like express my right, right, right.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: My express my.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: And then the fact that they had the other schools.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: It really made the Harry Potter world a lot bigger than just Hogwarts.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: Hogwarts and Diagon Alley and Gringotts and stuff.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: It expanded it outward a little bit more.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: So here's what I'll say about Prisoner of Azkaban.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: I share your sentiments to a degree.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: I think that this movie is extremely visually appealing.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: It's a gorgeous movie.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: The directorial stamp was amazing.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: I wish Alfonso Cuaron did more of them, because dude had a vision he had a good eye.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: He had a good eye, he understood what looks and feels magical guy.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: He understood, like, what looks and feels magical.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: You know like, uh, there's a lot of really cool locations and like random character designs that, um, I've learned to like over the years, but so I I like the first half of the movie a lot, but as soon as the time turner, I agree as soon as the time turner comes into play and the third act is just a retread of the second act.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: Oh boy it.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: It's, I think that's where the book loses me too yeah, it loses me it's not, it's not really his fault.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: You know that's just how the book is and you know I agree with you with the vision and I feel like, had we got him for like yeah, like if he did if he didlet of Fire, that would have been such a good movie.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Because, as it stands, Goblet of Fire is my least favorite of the eight movies, with this as a second, just because, no, I have to think about that.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: But Prisoner is definitely in my lower tier, just because it's my least favorite to rewatch, just because it basically, like the, the ending plays twice because of the time turner.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: Rich, how do you feel Like?
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: What is your thought on the time turner mechanic and if that affects your viewing appreciation at all?
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: I don't think it really does.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: I don't mind it.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, obviously they can't use it again and it has to be kind of locked away.
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: But for me, I don't know.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: I guess it's almost weird where the way I accept all the canon is.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: I just kind of download it as fact and move on.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: I don't even question whether it's okay or not.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: It's just, this is what happened to Harry Potter.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: So I really do.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: I like this one a lot.
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: I think it's because I really like the character of Sirius Black.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure, oh, absolutely I dressed up like him for Comic-Con one year, so I don't know if I have a bias here.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: Oh, you certainly do, I I.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: I love the character.
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: And then I'm kicking myself because I can't remember the actor's name gary oldman.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: Gary oldman, but he's scary, he's absurd, right like you know he's, he's somehow he kills that character.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: He's serious, he's so good but he's also like very differently, commissioner Gordon right, whereas I don't know for me.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: I remember the first time I watched the, I saw Hans Gruber I'm blanking out on the Alan Rickman right and I remember I'm like, no, no, that's the guy from Die Hard.
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: It took me a while to accept him as Snape, where I just think that Gary Oldman is able to do something.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: I don't know what it is, but he is different people whereas I didn't feel the same.
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: So this movie might be one of my tops, even though it's a little crazy, and I mean.
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: I'm also somebody who can ride on the same highway for years.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: But then that one time I get on the exit the, the entrance ramp that I've never gotten on before I get on, I'm like, oh, that's so cool.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: So re-watching the same you know act two again in act three, uh, just seeing this little difference.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's, this is what happened, and you know it was actually hermione howling uh, for me.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: I I kind of enjoy it.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: I don't remember reading it.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: It's obviously much quicker watching it, so it doesn't bother me as much, but I do.
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: I'm a sucker for like slightly.
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: Like.
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: How did I guess perspective right?
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: How did this character see it?
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: How did this character see it?
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: yeah, 100.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I think gary oldman killed the role of serious black.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Like I'm, I'm so impressed by it because for years the the character of you know him playing commissioner gordon in the batman series and him playing uh serious in these movies were completely separate in my mind.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: They were different actors.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: You know, like I did not I did not agree I did not see it yes, in the.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: Moment I did not either.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's crazy like that.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: That means he was really busy because you know, we had the some the batman movies were kind of coming out around the time that these, that these harry potter movies were coming out too.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true he was a busy guy in the early 2000s.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: But let's talk a little bit about the dynamic at the end of the movie, with the three remaining Marauders and Snape, because I find that that's such a great scene.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: You know, we finally all of our mysteries kind of coalesce in one moment where Sirius isn't really dead, or sorry, sirius isn't really after Harry Potter, he's after a rat.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: And then Remus comes into the room and he seems like a bad guy all of a sudden.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: And then you, you know these two are teaming up with each other and, uh, you have this like, oh wait, my, my loyalties should be, uh, are kind of skewed at the moment.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: What's going on?
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: And then they introduce, you know, scabbers was a rat this whole time, he was the rat all along and that doesn't really matter.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: So Snape, because he barges in, you know he gets, he has his own way of viewing things, kind of like what you were saying rich is that everyone has their own, uh vantage point of whatever they're seeing.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: And he's so happy to to see that Lupin and Sirius are in the same room because to him that means like everything that he, that means everything that he has thought going into this school year has been true, but he's totally false anyway.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: Also, I love that Harry's go-to move, expelliarmus, has just grown so powerful that he can just.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: It's supposed to disarm people.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: It's supposed to just like whoop, your wand is in the air.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: That's what the spell is supposed to do.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: Harry's is like a cannonball it just snipped right through the the post of the bed and into the wall, and then it, and then it like, just like it, it eventually grows into some like freaking kamehameha beam like oh, my god into like a red beam dude, like, like it goes to like full-on, like, um, let's say like ghostbusters beam, like you know dude it's crazy.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: And it starts like arcing um, like electricity too.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: It's crazy like plasma yeah yeah, it's crazy it's really cool.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: Um, I I love, I love the use of that kind of stuff, but, uh, yeah, I I love that scene.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: Also.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: I love the, the, the subtle decision to like put everything in the shrieking shack.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: I know that that's part of the book, but it was a decision on the film's part not to make it a static set.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: Everything was swaying, you know, like in the breeze, like the entire building was like going left and right and left and right.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: So I like that too.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: It's just visually like what is going on.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: This is such a magical place, this is such a magical world, but yeah.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: And like it's now that they did that, like you couldn't imagine it not doing that.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: Right, you feel that when you couldn't imagine it not doing that, you know, right, you, you feel that when you reread the books, so yeah, little stuff like that I really appreciate.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: Um, how do you, how do you feel that they tackled the dementors, uh, book to movie?
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Because for me in my head they looked like, when I read them, they, they seemed more like ringwraiths, you know like hooded characters.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah hooded characters that had, you know, like you couldn't really see their mouths, but in the movie it was just kind of like cloaks that were just covering their, their form, with a big hole in the center of the cloak.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: Um, how did?
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: how did you feel about the dementors and like how they were portrayed I, I feel like they did close enough because they do, or I feel like they got close enough because they do have a little bit of that Ringwraith-y feel to it, but like more spectral rather than like an actual like thing that you could touch, you know, like if it it seemed like you know, if you were to go touch it, like your hand would kind of like go through it and um.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: So I mean, I I do kind of share a little bit of that thought.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: I think that that was my initial thought too.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: I think that, especially when it comes to like reading things, you, your brain tries to associate stuff to something you know.
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: Like when you're reading about, uh, harry, ron and Hermione at at a younger age, you know I'm glad that they do kind of like put you know their faces on something, so you kind of had a little bit of a of a thing to grab onto.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: So yeah, like when I first read about the ringwraiths I mean, not the ringwraiths, oh my gosh the dementors.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: I did get that, that vibe rich.
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: What about you?
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'm trying to think I guess I had assumed they were more ringwraithy, but I I guess, when you're thinking about the way they work in that world, they're a little bit more ephemeral, they're not?
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, true, because I kind of imagine them almost floating between the cells in Azkaban, where they don't have to take stairs or whatever it is, whereas the Ringwraiths were.
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, they couldn't cross water.
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: Oh no, it's water.
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: Can't't, can't cross this.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: That's a good point.
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, you got a good point there the portrayal of the marauders and snape is interesting here because you know, by the end of the series I I don't know, I the way I view it, snape's been wronged um by the marauders.
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: They're actually just a group of annoying bullies.
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: Like you know they talk about James so nicely, but when you kind of take a step back, it's weird to think that Lupin is a teacher.
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: But when everything goes down like he's, they're still like oh, I hate Snape.
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: It's like, dude, you're like presumably in your late 20s, at at minimum right, and you haven't gotten off over a high school rivalry.
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: Like you didn't see that maybe you and your boys picked on Snape a little bit too hard and that he was just kind of like lovesick with you know, for Lily, uh, that's oh, that and the fact that I mean I forgot how much it bothered me, or maybe it didn't bother me back then.
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: But you have her eyes, you know, like just the way people will say really, really weird.
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: Like this poor boy, his parents have died, right, and it seems like every time you meet someone they have to be like oh, you're just, you're just like james.
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: Or you have lily's eyes and, like the poor guy, maybe he's just thinking I want to go to hogsmeade and get a butterbeer.
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: And then this dude's like oh, by the way, your mom died.
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: Uh, she was brutally murdered by a person whose name we won't even say.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: So you know, there's that I also find it funny that whenever they do show the mom, like the actress that you know plays harry's mom they don't give her context, like make her eyes look like Harry's.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: It's a completely different eye color and everything.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: It's just they're trying to just suggest that these two people have the same eyes.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: But I've never been in a position where I look at someone and I think your eyes remind me of an entirely different person.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: That's so weird.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: I've never thought that in my life.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: So I can understand as a baby, I can understand as me, of an entirely different person.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: That's so weird.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: I've never thought that in my life, so I can understand as a baby.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: I can understand as a baby where you're like trying to, like you know, piece together oh he has your nose or oh, your eyes are spaced apart way too much, like your father.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: Uh, stuff like that I can understand.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: But I I've never been in a position where, like you know, I saw someone and was just like you know, your eyes remind me of someone.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen in 12 years.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: How closely were you looking?
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: I did want to talk a little bit about.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: We kind of glossed over Remus Lupin a little bit.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: I did really like his character.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: I liked that especially.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: I remember reading in the books and it's emulated here in the movies he almost kind of becomes a little bit of a father figure to Harry.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: You know, yes, something that Harry wants like that familial bond.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: He doesn't feel that with the Dursleys.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: He gets that a little.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: You know a bit with Ron and Hermione and you know a little bit of Ron's family, but this is like a strong male role model that Harry can kind of like look up to.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: You know, I really like that dynamic and it should, and they show it really well in this, this movie.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: You know, I like that whole thing, like that whole thing that he was having issues with the Dementors targeting him and Remus taking it upon himself like I'm going to teach you how to fight them off, and they did that really well in the movie.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he kind of gets two father figures because eventually he finds Sirius, who is willing to take him into his house once his name is cleared.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: Spoiler alert it never does get cleared, um, but yeah, I, I think that that's it's.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: This movie is actually like such a big tease for the, for harry, you know, because he gets all of his hopes up.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: He even thinks his dad is alive at one point wrong, just to get shut down just to get shut down at every turn.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about lupin a little bit and his transfer uh transformation.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: I remember when I first watched prisoner of azkaban I'd really disliked the, the transformation scene, or, like the, the design of the werewolf character, because it doesn't really look like a wolf, but maybe it does look like a half wolf, half man.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: I I'm not really sure, but I remember at the, at or around that time, the movies um, what was it called underworld?
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: were coming out and those were heavily about, you know, vampires versus werewolves, and the werewolves looked amazing.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: They looked so cool, they were so, like you know, beastly.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: So seeing this like skinny, like professor lupin, um, was really weird and I was just like not what I expected.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: I'll let it pass, I'll let it slide this time.
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: Uh, what are your thoughts on, uh, skinny wolf, professor lupin?
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: I guess it matches.
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: I mean because because, maybe if it was like victor crumb, right, like you know, then then you get the underworld ones, but here you have, uh, you have, you have lupin, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, for real, I just don't.
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: Uh, I and this is obviously source material stuff, right, but I'm surprised he doesn't have some sort of magical medallion that stops him from transforming, right, isn't it?
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: What does he take?
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: I can't.
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: Does he actually take anything to abate his mooniness?
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he does.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: He has a potion that he has to take every full moon and that's something that's brought up in the film a couple times.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: So Snape has been losing potion-making material for his classroom because Dumbledore requests that he makes his potion for Remus, ambledore requests that he makes his potion for for remus, and then later when he's, when remus first sees the full moon, which you know.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: Shame on you for not like looking at a calendar.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: remus like I mean that's where you decided to I think that's kind of my point.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: He it seems to be like very like, oops, gotta take my meds, you know type of stuff yeah, well, that's.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: That's when, like serious, like runs over to him and like you, idiot, did you not take your medicine?
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: What's wrong with you, remus, my friend?
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: And he starts beating his chest.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't really.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: There's a bunch of fun, my bad.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: And why does?
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: he get hot.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: See, look, I know the Dumbledore.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: I guess he's the type that would hire a convict in a school district.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: But I mean, just bring it in a werewolf, I mean, even though you got the potion, you know I don't know.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: Also, Remus, like, I think you need to rethink a career.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: You know, like, maybe you know night watchman at a school or something.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you should be a teacher at a sleepaway school, Like, there are just a lot of questions, the hiring practices of Hogwarts.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: But you know, defensive against the dark arts is, is one of the hardest positions.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, nobody's got those certifications.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, all over New York state, you know, people are looking for defensive against dark arts and it's just, you know, not a lot of people are studying that anymore.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: They just haven't found you rich.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: Listen, uh, I would, uh, I'd be very excited.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: Uh, I, I, I do love English, I love literature, but I think it would be somehow even better if I were a Hogwarts.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: Wow, high self-praise, very self-aggrandizing of you.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah and yeah.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: This movie slash book introduces the concept of the Animagus.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: Yes, which is how Scabbers was actually a raving killer this whole time, um, and sirius was able to break out of azkaban.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: So one thing I do want to mention there's a pretty major plot hole that the movie creates for the book that the book does not have, and I understand why they did it, it's a cost saving time.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: But the actual marauders map in the book that the book does not have, and I understand why they did it, it's a cost saving time.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: But the actual marauders map in the book it does not show peter pettigrew on it.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: So that's something that the, the film, made up so that remus can get involved and eventually, like you know, find out what's going on.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: But uh, I'm assuming and they never really bring it up in the books, but I'm assuming that the, the actual marauders, are never like are magically absent from the map, which is why in the books we never hear about you know, fred and George joking around with Ron about how he's always sleeping with a guy named Peter Pettigrew, because if there was a Peter Pettigrew on the map sleeping next to ronald weasley, they would be kind of weird because there's nobody there hey, what?
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: hey, who's that guy that you just, you're just with every night?
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is peter who's peter?
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: yeah, no, it is kind of a weird little thing that, uh, the movie adds that would be.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: You know, logically, if, if Fred and George have, fred and George have had this map, uh, since their first year and you know it was Percy's rat before it was Ron's.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, it's, it's all kinds of it's all kinds of backwards with that.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: But, guys, with that I think I need to call the podcast here.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: I have a D&D game I have to get to right after this.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: But thank you so much for listening to us here for our 105th episode of Project Geekology.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: We record this on December 33rd 2024.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: Don't get it wrong, what are we?
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: What are we guys?
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: What are we doing next week?
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: I, I actually had that in mind.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: You know, I was like let's keep this continuation trade going on and we haven't done um a star wars in a while.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: We should do um return of the jedi return of the jedi happens to be the one star wars movie I've never seen, so I guess we're gonna have to jump into that what let's?
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: Do it.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: I'm kidding yeah, I was gonna say if you?
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: if you believe that my heart like I just I got, so he's he's been, he's been like, lounging on a sofa, the the entire time, guys, and and he like, he like, sat up up in his seat so that you can clearly see the.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: Death Star behind me from.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: Return of the Jedi, return of the Jedi Death Star, yeah, I thought that was Battlestar Galactica back then.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: Oh, no, no.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: Certainly looks like it All right.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's jump into Return of the Jedi next week.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: Rich you joining us yeah, I'm.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: I've seen that movie a couple of times.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: Rich, I think you're a regular.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: At this point, we should just, you know, invite you on for good if you can't make it to one podcast, or I can't make it to another.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: Whatever, we'll figure it out.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: But thanks so much for you know, joining us all these weeks now.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: Uh having a blast man yeah, I'm, I'm having a.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: I'm enjoying having a third person on the podcast and I hope you guys listening also are yeah, yeah, it's really nice to have that.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: That.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: That, uh, you know that additional person, you know their, their perspective and whatnot, and I mean honestly, like I'm not opposed to you know another person if they want to pop in.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: You know somebody, obviously, that that we know to talk about.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: You know whatever it is that they're into that we're talking about in that instance.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: But yeah, no for sure I agree.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: All right, guys.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: Again, thanks so much.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: We will listen, or you will listen to us next week.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: You must.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: You must listen to us next week, you must listen to us next week.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: Sorry, I was very forceful, but I mean it.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: Thanks, guys.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: Have a good one goodbye y'all no, wolverine.