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NBA DFS Process | DraftKings & FanDuel Picks, Plays & Slate Breakdown | Wednesday, 11/26/25 · Daily Fantasy Sports by Ship It Nation

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  Speaker 1: Hmm, all system's going clear the left of.
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  Speaker 2: What is going on? Everyone?
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  Speaker 3: We're back for a Wednesday edition of the NBA Show.
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  Speaker 3: Got a really fun slate tonight, NBA Cup edition with
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  Speaker 3: some really big games. But before I jump into that,
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  Speaker 3: I want to bring my guy in, Matt. Matt, how
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  Speaker 3: are you doing today? Any fun Thanksgiving plans ahead?
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  Speaker 4: Just normal family stuff?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, excited for always thanks Giving as alway fun spending
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  Speaker 5: it with family and stuff. I will say though we
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  Speaker 5: talked a little bit before, but I did I forgot
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  Speaker 5: to mention that, Thank goodness, Cleveland is not on this slate,
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  Speaker 5: so we do not have to talk about Evan Mobley
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  Speaker 5: and you do not have to berate me about what
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  Speaker 5: a beta he is.
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  Speaker 3: I wasn't the one that called him a bed of
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  Speaker 3: there's some other people in shed.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just I think that was me and I still
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  Speaker 4: play him.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's your guy, it's your team. You're allowed to
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  Speaker 3: talk shit on your own players. I do it all
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  Speaker 3: the time with every sports team that I have. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: just somebody that we got to keep an eye because
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  Speaker 3: I think that, like I said it yesterday or whatever
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  Speaker 3: it was, that's slight that he was pretty Chalky against Toronto,
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  Speaker 3: Like he's just slightly overvalued amongst DFS players.
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  Speaker 2: I think that we're kind of like.
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  Speaker 3: All waiting for him to become the player that he
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  Speaker 3: can be and it's just not really happening right now.
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  Speaker 5: I think he might be slightly overvalued amongst all like
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  Speaker 5: NBA fan savants in general. His defense is amazing, but
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  Speaker 5: I'm with you on I'm like, maybe that leap might
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  Speaker 5: never come and that's is what it is.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's gonna be like like justin Herbert call him
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  Speaker 3: the what if man, say like what could happen if
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  Speaker 3: he actually reached his potential? But Yea'll say, what's up?
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  Speaker 3: Some people in Chad got some new faces in here.
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  Speaker 3: I see both start up top Jordan Newan's how's it going?
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  Speaker 2: Man?
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  Speaker 3: Love the dv PO Porey putting out every morning. I
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  Speaker 3: appreciate that little neck got the uh got a game
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  Speaker 3: in an hour and he's got showdown stuff up for that.
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  Speaker 3: So appreciate you getting that up as well. Our guy
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  Speaker 3: Remo Brandy Cone. I believe that's kid lightning Marquee Sports.
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  Speaker 2: Long leave. How's it going? Happy Turkey Day? Coach?
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  Speaker 3: Sav Sean not playing tonight you're missing out on a
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  Speaker 3: really good slate. But don't blame me if you're not playing
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  Speaker 3: bob OsO, mister Mike's Daddy, Vegeta, love the name, love
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  Speaker 3: some DBZ. Got Carlow little neck in there again news
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  Speaker 3: and then William all right, so I'll break down some
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  Speaker 3: uh some scenarios. I got my dog barking the windows,
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  Speaker 3: so hopefully nobody can hear that. But I'm gonna close
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  Speaker 3: that in a second. Let me do that right now.
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  Speaker 3: If you want to touch on some NBA Cup stuff
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  Speaker 3: and how that differs for you in terms of building
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  Speaker 3: lineups and if you kind of correlate a little bit
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  Speaker 3: more in those instances.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so I think that makes sense to do so,
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  Speaker 5: correlate a little bit more just because the games mean
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  Speaker 5: a little bit more. It's hard for me to like
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  Speaker 5: put that much stock into the NBA Cup stuff personally,
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  Speaker 5: just because while I do think a lot of teams
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  Speaker 5: and a lot of players care, I do also think
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  Speaker 5: that some teams and some players don't care, and it's
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  Speaker 5: hard to find like that middle ground, so I mostly.
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  Speaker 4: Play it as standard.
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  Speaker 5: That said, I think the correlation approach makes a lot
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  Speaker 5: of sense just because the games, again, do mean a
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  Speaker 5: little bit more, But what I was saying was like
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  Speaker 5: for me, like, I recognize that for most teams and
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  Speaker 5: players it does mean a little bit more, but I
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  Speaker 5: also believe that for some to a lot of players,
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  Speaker 5: it doesn't mean anything really, So it's hard for me
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  Speaker 5: to weigh at all that much on any specific DFS slate.
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  Speaker 4: I think the correlation approach makes sense.
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  Speaker 3: Though, Yeah, I think I might have kind of been
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  Speaker 3: baring myself a little bit by overstating the importance of
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  Speaker 3: these games, just because, like you said, you don't really know,
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  Speaker 3: Like there are some coach speak stuff, like players speak
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  Speaker 3: stuff that what they say it is important, but it's
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  Speaker 3: kind of hard to sparse through all the information to
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  Speaker 3: find the teams that actually care, right. I do think
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  Speaker 3: that now, with like the it's the NBA Cup like
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  Speaker 3: group stages kind of coming to a close, we do
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  Speaker 3: have some pretty clear spots that were teams like, if
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  Speaker 3: they did care, they're gonna play play hard. I think
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  Speaker 3: yesterday is kind of the perfect example, because that Hawks
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  Speaker 3: and Wizards game really meant nothing to either team, and
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  Speaker 3: like I guess the Hawks had an outside chance to
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  Speaker 3: win if they blew out the Wizards, but it just
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  Speaker 3: made more sense for Washington to kind of get up
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  Speaker 3: for that game, just as a team that's not really
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  Speaker 3: playing that well and Atlanta Di don'erally have much to
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  Speaker 3: play for, so kind of kind of a weird situation.
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  Speaker 3: But I did want to talk through some of the
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  Speaker 3: situations tonight before we break it down game by game,
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  Speaker 3: just some games that do have importance this or teams
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  Speaker 3: that are looking to win in their groups. So Toronto's
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  Speaker 3: already locked up their group, but they could get close
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  Speaker 3: to getting home court advantage throughout the next group of state,
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  Speaker 3: next group of games with a win here. They don't
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  Speaker 3: really need to win in a big way. It's more
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  Speaker 3: so just getting a win because they're three to zero.
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  Speaker 3: They're probably be one of the few teams in the
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  Speaker 3: groups that will be undefeated, so just a win would
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  Speaker 3: be enough for them, But they could they are double
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  Speaker 3: digit favorites. I think India could keep the game closer.
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  Speaker 3: Both talk about that when we get there. It seems
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  Speaker 3: like the Blazers are probably the team that's most incentivized
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  Speaker 3: to win tonight. Their group is one of the toughest
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  Speaker 3: in out of all the groups in the in the
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  Speaker 3: NBA Cup, so a win here in a close game,
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  Speaker 3: close spread versus the Spurs would go a long way.
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  Speaker 3: I think that they're probably the team that could tighten
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  Speaker 3: up the rotation the most Detroit they play in an hour,
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  Speaker 3: so I don't really talk about them for DFS, but
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  Speaker 3: they do need to win and need to put up
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  Speaker 3: a big score to catch the Magic. So if you
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  Speaker 3: were playing that game, keep that in mind. The biggest
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  Speaker 3: game environment of the night is the Bucks in the Heat.
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  Speaker 3: I think a win for either of these teams and
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  Speaker 3: a loss by the Knicks would mean whichever team wins
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  Speaker 3: would move on. But either way, both the teams are
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  Speaker 3: gonna need to win. And you see that Jannis is back.
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  Speaker 3: He is a guy that does care a lot about
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  Speaker 3: the NBA Cup. I think Darwin Ham, he's assistant coach
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  Speaker 3: for the Bucks now is undefeated in the NBA Cup,
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  Speaker 3: which is surprising he's an NBA NBA Cup Hall of
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  Speaker 3: Fame coach. But that game is definitely one that matters
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  Speaker 3: the most. And then Minnesota and Okay see another really
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  Speaker 3: big game. Minnesota needs to win and win in a
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  Speaker 3: pretty big way, which you're probably not gonna do against Okace.
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  Speaker 3: So just playing the game close and tight and getting
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  Speaker 3: a win would be really good for their standings in
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  Speaker 3: the Cup, and then the Suns as well, they're in
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  Speaker 3: that same group they are playing. The Kings projected to
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  Speaker 3: win that game favored by four and a half, so
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  Speaker 3: a big win for them would help them in that
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  Speaker 3: NBA Cup standing, especially if okayc does lose tonight.
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  Speaker 2: So if that pretty much covers it all.
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  Speaker 3: If you have anything else you want to add before
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  Speaker 3: we break it down to game by game.
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  Speaker 5: No, I think that was a pretty good summary of
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  Speaker 5: it all. Like I think it's a little bit hard
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  Speaker 5: to sparks out like where exactly to know who cares
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  Speaker 5: and stuff, But I think knowing the impact to the
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  Speaker 5: games makes a lot of sense.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, there's definitely a chance that they could
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  Speaker 3: lose to Charlotte because I think Charlotte's getting healthier. They're
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  Speaker 3: only five six, six and a half point favorites in
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  Speaker 3: this one, so Vegas projecting to be closer. I think
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  Speaker 3: they do have a chance to move up. They're one
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  Speaker 3: and one right now, they're kind of they have a
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  Speaker 3: pretty outside shot to make it.
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  Speaker 2: They are.
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  Speaker 3: They have a minus two point differential, so they need
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  Speaker 3: to catch Miami, who is plus forty six and Miami
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  Speaker 3: and the Bucks play tonight, so a win by Miami
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  Speaker 3: would all but bury the Knicks. I think, I think
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  Speaker 3: that the wild card is probably going to be one
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  Speaker 3: of the Magic or Pistons. If I had to guess,
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  Speaker 3: maybe Cleveland six in there. But yeah, the Knicks kind
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  Speaker 3: of have an outside shot of making it out of
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  Speaker 3: there or into the wild card game. So not really
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  Speaker 3: too much there, all right, That should cover it. Spend
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  Speaker 3: enough time talking about that. Let's go into the game
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  Speaker 3: by game stuff. First game is that nixt game Knicks
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  Speaker 3: heading to Charlotte. Both teams getting a little bit healthier
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  Speaker 3: right now. Mitchell Robinson's going to be back for the Knicks,
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  Speaker 3: and then Brandon Miller will be playing his second game
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  Speaker 3: back for Charlotte. Defensively, not really too much to go
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  Speaker 3: through in this one. The Hornet's given up a good
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  Speaker 3: amount of room scoring three point and three pointers this season,
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  Speaker 3: but they're also bottom five and pick and roll, so
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  Speaker 3: it's an okay spot for Kat and Brunson. They've been
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  Speaker 3: really good at limiting offensive rebounds this season, which has
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  Speaker 3: been a really big strength for the Knicks this season,
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  Speaker 3: with mainly Mitchell Robinson kind of soaking up a lot
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  Speaker 3: of that there, and then the Knicks are a team
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  Speaker 3: that you kind of want to attack with off ball scorers.
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  Speaker 3: They're a lot of the third most catch and shoot
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  Speaker 3: points per game. Knicks are doing a really good job
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  Speaker 3: taking away the Hornet's main strength, which is their pick
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  Speaker 3: and roll offense. Knicks are top eight in that defensively
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  Speaker 3: this season. I don't really have too much that I
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  Speaker 3: want to get to in this game. I would say
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  Speaker 3: the Charlotte side, you can honestly make the case for
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  Speaker 3: being a full X out. It's a really good spot
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  Speaker 3: for Kank Nipple. But adding in another higher usage guy
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  Speaker 3: like Brandon Miller, and you have to consider that he's
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  Speaker 3: almost seven K as the third, maybe even fourth option
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  Speaker 3: on offense at times is a pretty tough spot for
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  Speaker 3: me to get to. I guess kalch Brandner at four
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  Speaker 3: point two K isn't played because he is cheap, But
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  Speaker 3: I think that center is quite loaded tonight, So I
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  Speaker 3: don't really know if I want to wiste up a
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  Speaker 3: roster spot on Charlotte. I honestly am considering just fully
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  Speaker 3: xing them out and then moving on. But the Nick side,
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  Speaker 3: I think you could make the case for three guys
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  Speaker 3: in particular, I think Kat and Brunton are pretty decent
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  Speaker 3: spend ups tonight. The downside for Kat for me is
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  Speaker 3: that adding in Mitchell Robinson could take away the rebounding
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  Speaker 3: upside we've been getting from him, So he's gonna need
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  Speaker 3: to be really efficient from a scoring perspective, definitely could.
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  Speaker 3: It's a good matchup for him. And then that's kind
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  Speaker 3: of the same thing for Brunton. He's just the role
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  Speaker 3: since returning from the Inkinry has not been as good
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  Speaker 3: as we've been accustomed seeing from him, which has kind
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  Speaker 3: of been a theme all season long for them. But
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  Speaker 3: it is a really good matchup, just with the way
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  Speaker 3: that the Horns give up a ton of pick and
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  Speaker 3: roll scoring. And then for Josh Hart, I would say
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  Speaker 3: that he's got a very appealing minutes upside, and we
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  Speaker 3: know that he does have triple double upside when he
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  Speaker 3: plays a lot of minutes. So I would keep those
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  Speaker 3: three guys, those three guys in my player pool, but
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  Speaker 3: probably gonna be max one on each side of this game.
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  Speaker 2: What are you seeing in this one? Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: I see it pretty similar to you as someone who's
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  Speaker 5: playing like limited lineups, not one fifty likely very unlikely
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  Speaker 5: get to any Charlotte. I mean, Canipple looks okay at
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  Speaker 5: sixty nine hundred, but then once you add in like
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  Speaker 5: the Brandon Miller being back again, the price tag, like,
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  Speaker 5: it's really tough to get to anyone on Charlotte. The
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  Speaker 5: Nick side, I'm with you, like it's those three guys,
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  Speaker 5: the main two, Brunson and Towns. I think I like
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  Speaker 5: Brunson slightly over Towns for the points you made the
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  Speaker 5: price difference. Towns is like the most expensive he's been
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  Speaker 5: all year. Brunson's stabilized at nine K, so I project
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  Speaker 5: them like very similarly, like a point difference, So give
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  Speaker 5: me Brunson there, although the position equity for Towns like
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  Speaker 5: might make up for it. I think they're very similar
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  Speaker 5: plays in good spot in a good spot against Charlotte.
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  Speaker 4: Neither of them are priorities.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm with you on Heart, but his tag is
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  Speaker 5: up and it's a big enough slate where like a
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  Speaker 5: lot of these secondary plays, unless they're priced right, aren't
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  Speaker 5: going to be priorities.
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  Speaker 4: That doesn't mean that Heart or guys like.
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  Speaker 5: Heart can't get there, just not sure, Like you know
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  Speaker 5: how likely I am to play them in one or
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  Speaker 5: two lineups, but it would be those three guys for me.
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  Speaker 5: I think clearly there's a drop off after the first two.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty easy game to get away from. I would
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  Speaker 3: say there could be some spots that open up later,
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  Speaker 3: like we're obviously waiting for the Jannie news thirty minutes later,
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  Speaker 3: which could open up some things. Then you have a
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  Speaker 3: ton of que tags on the Miami side as well,
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  Speaker 3: So I just don't really know if it would be
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  Speaker 3: smart to lock up too much of your roster spots
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  Speaker 3: in this game. But you could always make the case
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  Speaker 3: for Kevin Brunts. I mean, they're really good players. I
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  Speaker 3: would say, just from like a slate standpoint, something that
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  Speaker 3: I was looking at is like the nine K range
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  Speaker 3: is kind of weak, like you could poke holes in
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  Speaker 3: pretty much all of these plays. And then Jannis and
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  Speaker 3: Shae like they're I don't know, like Gianni's coming off
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  Speaker 3: of an injury and then Shae, who's takes a lot
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  Speaker 3: for him to really pay off attack in a big way.
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  Speaker 3: It seems like more of a mid tier build type
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  Speaker 3: of slate. Are you seeing anything differently from from that perspective.
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  Speaker 4: No, I'm not.
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  Speaker 5: And to that point, like just to extend, extend on
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  Speaker 5: your point about like not wanting to lock up roster
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  Speaker 5: spots on this first game. I'm with you, like we're
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  Speaker 5: gonna have better spots. That said, Like I don't view
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  Speaker 5: towns and Brunts and as guys like that, because like
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  Speaker 5: they're not going to change. Like those guys if you're
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  Speaker 5: playing them, they're building black pieces and you can move
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  Speaker 5: stuff in around them. So like, if you're if you
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  Speaker 5: like them, I wouldn't not play them because they're the
• 12:31
  Speaker 5: early game. I would maybe get away from some of
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  Speaker 5: like the risk value if you will. But I'm sure
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  Speaker 5: you see that very similarly.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, Yeah, you could always make the case
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  Speaker 3: to play those guys. It's just like the building block pieces.
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  Speaker 3: I guess one thing that I didn't touch on that
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  Speaker 3: is kind of important tonight is this is I mean,
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  Speaker 3: this has got to be the first time all season
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  Speaker 3: we've had a full slate where you're pretty much every
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  Speaker 3: main game rise on the every game is on the
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  Speaker 3: main slate, and it kind of brings a different dynamic
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  Speaker 3: if you want touch on that, because we it's really
• 13:02
  Speaker 3: been like a one to two hour log window, which
• 13:04
  Speaker 3: has been great for like I don't mean this like
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  Speaker 3: in a negative way, but like the casual player, it's
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  Speaker 3: easier to build lineups that way, whereas now we have
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  Speaker 3: those three seven pm games, which I think is important
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  Speaker 3: to talk through.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, we've talked about that kind of in passing a
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  Speaker 5: lot just me and you like. It changes the complete
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  Speaker 5: dynamic of like multi entering. So if you're not willing
• 13:25
  Speaker 5: and able to like be at your computer making swaps
• 13:28
  Speaker 5: like you know, basically all night. Doesn't mean you're gonna
• 13:31
  Speaker 5: do it all night, but you gotta be willing to
• 13:33
  Speaker 5: do it all night. You can't want fifty NBA, certainly
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  Speaker 5: on a slate like this where you've got games going
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  Speaker 5: up until like I think ten or ten thirty Eastern,
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  Speaker 5: probably ten eastern, but like not like one game late,
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  Speaker 5: like a few games late. So it's just a completely
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  Speaker 5: different slate than we've seen. Maybe I don't know why
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  Speaker 5: they did it the night before Thanksgiving probably uh seems
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  Speaker 5: to be there like late slate they filled all the contacts,
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  Speaker 5: but changing it up tonight kind of going back to
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  Speaker 5: the old ways.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I'm gonna text my rep and tell him
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  Speaker 3: that I like it this way just because it is
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  Speaker 3: better for.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I guess it's better for me.
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  Speaker 3: Like it's like, I don't mind being around my computer
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  Speaker 3: from four to seven.
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  Speaker 5: There's huge ads when you're playing one fifty if you're
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  Speaker 5: willing to do that, like, and also you being on
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  Speaker 5: the West Coast really helps that for a lot of
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  Speaker 5: players on the East Coast.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, I was also alone. I talked about
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  Speaker 3: this with title a lot. I used to live in
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  Speaker 3: New York, and I actually loved the later start time
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  Speaker 3: because I'm just like naturally staying up really late and
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: watching the games regardless. But I loved not being able
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: or having until seven pm to build lines because you
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  Speaker 3: have so much time just in the day to do
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  Speaker 3: everything you want to do.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, totally, I get that as someone.
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  Speaker 5: Like from my perspective though, with like a family and
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  Speaker 5: stuff like, it just gets to be too hectic. And
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  Speaker 5: like if I had those hours earlier in the day,
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  Speaker 5: like where no one was home or it was like
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  Speaker 5: much more much less lively at home, it might be
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  Speaker 5: easier for me to play one fifty on slates like this,
• 15:06
  Speaker 5: you know.
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for sure, definitely a lot easier being a
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: single man living in New York and only twenty six
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: years old, building lineups all night and stand up till
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: mid It was fun.
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a good time.
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: But are Yeah, I'm excited about this one, about this
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: slate for that reason because I'll be sitting around all
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: night late swapping. I would say that the last three
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: games are very appealing to so yes, and you said
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: it too, like if you can't sit around in late
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: swap all night, it might not be the night to play.
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: Like maybe I don't know, if they have like a
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: smaller like just the four to five pm games on
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: a like a secondary slate, maybe play that one. But yeah,
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: you're gonna have to be around because there is there's
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: gonna be a lot of late swap opportunity in the slate.
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: All right, next game or do you have anything else
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: want to add there?
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: Not really I will say, like just from that perspective,
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: like finishing up on it from someone who plays, like
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: like the more you.
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: Play, the more it affects you.
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: Right, So, like if you play one fifth, you've got
• 16:04
  Speaker 5: to be willing to be at your computer. If you
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: play one lineup, you need to be able to swap.
• 16:09
  Speaker 5: But it's just not going to take that much effort
• 16:11
  Speaker 5: to do it, you know what I'm saying.
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, and this will be something that a
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: lot of people will talk about for the Thanksgiving games tomorrow.
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: It's a like same concept really like if you can't,
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: you're losing a little bit of ev.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: By not laid.
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: Swapping is essentially the point, all right, next game though,
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: we got the red hot Toronto Raptors at a home
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: game with the Pacers coming into town. Savors got as
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: a seven point spread. I'm seeing somewhere else that I
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: think that it's a double digit spread in favor of
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: the Raptor. I see ten and a half point spread
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: in favor of Toronto. We've talked about it a lot lately.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: The Pacers team is a lot better than their record shows,
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: I would say, and they are a team that can
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: definitely keep the competition or keep the games closed. They've
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: been a lot more competitive than the record and spreads
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: would show. I do think that if you're laying into
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: this game, it is probably going to be from the
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: Toronto side, and I think that there is a lot
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: to like here, just with the way that the Indie
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: Indiana Pacers played defense Schematically, a pretty good spot for
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: the Toronto offense. Teams are looking to attack the Pacers
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: at the rim. Thirty five percent of teams possessions come
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: at the rim against Indy, which is tied for the
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: third most in the NBA, and the Pacers are aligning
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: the second most points per game at the rim this
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: season while also being a bottom two pick and roll
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: points per possession defense. For Toronto, it's a lot of
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: the same teams are attacking them at the rim as well.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: I talked about a lot with Jacoperto. Don't think he's
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: a great defender.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: They're alying the seventh most points per game at the rim,
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: but the fifth highest rate of teams offense is coming
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: around the basket. Thirty four percent of teams possessions come
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: around the rim. So pretty good spot all around for
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: both these teams. I'll start on the or if you
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: want to start to kick this one off, well, let
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: me know what you've seen in this one. I'm going
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: to try to bring my dogs inside, so stop barking.
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So a lot of ownership coming to this game,
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: and for a good reason. The Toronto tags are just
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: still too low. So like all three of the main
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: guys are gonna get ownership. Specifically Ingram at seventy six
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: hundred of'm seeing him projected in a couple of places,
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: is one of, if not the most popular player on
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: the slate as of right now, seventy six hundred projects
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: well playing well. I got no arguments with Toronto like
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: Ingram quickly barns all look good, there's a good matchup.
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: I do think this game is more competitive than the
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: spread implies, because I'm with you, I think India is
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: better than their record implies. So I like all three
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: of the Toronto guys. I would say if one were
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: a priority, it would be Ingram. I don't love like
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: following into that ownership coming off a massive game, but
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: I'm always an Ingram fan. And under eight k, you know,
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: projected well, I like him, and then TJ. McConnell from
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: the other side, thirty six hundred looks like right now
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: one of the best value plays on the slate. So
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: the three main Toronto guys, and then McConnell, I think
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: you can make arguments for like any of them being
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: priority core plays on this slate, and then Sam finally
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: under nine K, like I think you could play into
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: this game. I like this game more than the last
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: game like, I don't think Sakam or Mathrin or priorities
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: for me, but like I could see this game getting there.
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: I could.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you there.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: I think that the best way to play Matherin, Siakam
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: or Dampard, I would kind of group him in as
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: a guy that could get there in a decent matchup.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: It's probably with this game being high scoring and close,
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: because we do have a pretty solid team sodal for Toronto.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: I just don't think that the Pacers are really great
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: on defense, so they're gonna have to keep up with
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: the with the Raptors on offense. So I think that
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: if you're playing one of those guys, that's probably best
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: with a Toronto piece on the other side, and just
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: kind of getting two to three roster spots correct by
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: saying that this game is going to shoot out. I
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: think if I had to rank the or the Pacer side,
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: I like Matherin nem hard than Siakam in terms of
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: the quote unquote spend up. So the main guys, I
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: think that TJ and like Jackson and Huff are fine
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: on their own. I don't really like the matchup for Siakam.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: I think that Scotty Barnes is like he's always been
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: a really good defender, but I think he's kind of
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: slowly turning into one of the best wing defenders in
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: the league right now. I mean, we just saw him
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: lock down Evan Mobley and you can say what you
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: want about not you in particular, but like you know,
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: we Mobley is talented and he's pretty solid on offense,
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: but I mean Scotty Barnes made him look pretty bad.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: So I think that.
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: It's it's multiple times this year already. Yeah, he's made
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: Mobi look bad.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I definitely want to keep an eye on,
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: like if there's any sort of ownership which is not
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: on Siakam.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: The five percent is fine, but like.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: That was it made a lot of sense to fad
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: fade Mobley in that game, in that matchupsuse. I do
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: think that Scotty is really coming on as a defender,
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: So I don't really want to play into that for
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: Siakam at a point, ak when you consider he is
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: losing usage to mather and Nemhard and TJ.
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: It's almost the flips argument though, though, like and you
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: were kind of getting to it, like he's not getting
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: the mobiley love yeah at all, So like it's a
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: completely different play, but I'm with you, like it's probably
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: not a good contrarian play because of the reasons you
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: mentioned when there's a lot of good plays on this slate,
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: So I totally get it. How do you rank the
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: Toronto guys, because I don't know if you heard me,
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: but like they're all gonna get ownership. I think Ingram
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: is gonna end up as one of the most popular
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: players on the slate.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you saw him put up a big
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: game last time out. Granted, like fifty one point twenty
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: five DK points is good for his price Segon and
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: what he was in that slate.
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: He took like forty shots.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he took thirty shots in that game. A lot
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: of the usage is training up for Ingram. As of
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: late in the month of November, he does lead the
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: team in usage at twenty seven percent, but that also
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: jumps to thirty two percent with Arjia Barrett off the court,
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: so we do have to consider that, like the role
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: is legit. He's around like one point one six Fantasy
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: points for a minute with Argie Barret off the court,
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: So it's not great numbers for his price tag, but
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: he does lead the Raptors in pick and roll scoring,
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: which makes it a plus matchup because, like I said
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: up top, the Pacers do allow the second most pick
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: and roll points per possession, so the matchup is good
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: for him. I don't know, like he's I don't know
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: if he's gonna be taken. I don't think he's taking
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: thirty shots on a regular basis, Like he was just
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: kind of playing really well and they were running through him.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: I kind of just feel like like if we're getting
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: a true ceiling game from someone like who has the
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: best upside, it's probably Scotty Barnes and we haven't really
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: seen it yet, but he does have the best numbers,
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: like on off numbers with Barrett off one point four
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: eight fancy points a minute. That's kind of more in
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: line of like what you're looking for in somebody in
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: that range. I prefer Scotty over Ingram, but I think
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: that Ingram is a clear number two and then Quickly's
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: number three.
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I just I like Ingram in general, and he's
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: a guy I play often, but I hate playing into
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: ownership like that on this slate, when like to all
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: the points you mentioned, like we just saw, oh, basically
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: an upside game for him, and it took him like
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: thirty plus shots to get there. Like I think Hollby
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: Salad at seventy six hundred, But do I need him, Like,
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: I don't think so.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: It's kind of reminding me. Yeah, he's a good play
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: for sure. It kind of reminds me, like it's very similar.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: We've been talking about Evan Mobley a lot, but like
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: in terms of the type of play that he is on,
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: this late is similar to that one on the other
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: sleeve where it's like Mobley was good, he had fifty
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: two draftings points And I know that we're not really
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: shooting for the optimal all the time because it's tougher
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: to get that in a single entry stuff which most
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: people play. But like, there are ways to not play
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: mobile and still make high upside lineups.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: So I with Ingram.
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: I agree with that totally.
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: Like I think Ingram is likely to put up a
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: good score here, but I think he's very unlikely to
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: be on like the perfect lineup at the night's end.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Okay, we got to touch on some of
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: these value plays because we're getting a good amount of
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: questions on them. I like TJ McConnell. I agree with you.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: He's starting to play more minutes. We know what type
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: of player. He is, really good per minuted producer to
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: be matchup against some of the second unit guys, I
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: think that he is totally in play. I would probably
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: not want to play him with them Hertz. I probably
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: Max one of those two guys, because I do think,
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: you know, with one doing better, it probably takes from
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: the other. They both need the ball in their hands
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: to produce fantasy points. So I feel like Max one
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: of those two guys is probably the way I'd want
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: to play it. Max one. Isaiah Jackson and Jay Huff.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: Jay Huff also deserves a little bit of love because
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: he's outperformed Isaiah Jackson in a pretty big way, at
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: least from like a box score statistical standpoint, which is
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: all that really matters for DFS. So I do prefer Huff,
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: especially with Yeah exactly power forward eligibility is huge. Don't
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: really want to lock up a center spot on a
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: guy like Isaiah Jackson, so for Huff there and then,
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: I do think that all these Toronto pieces are in play.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: We've seen Sandro really come on. It's kind of the
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: same thing though he's only only center eligible Max one
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: and him and Pertle.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Normally I would be Max one.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: Shed and Emmanuel Quickly, but I think with Arjia Barrett out,
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: we're going to to see them overlap a little bit more.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: So I would probably be Max one of Jamal Shed
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: and Jacoby Walter because I think as one plays more,
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: it takes from the other. So we saw those guys
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: kind of subbing in and out for each other. It's
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: really like a Max two of Quickly, Shed and Walter.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: But I would rather be a little bit more aggressive
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: and Max one. The value guys in Shed and Walter.
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and between them personally, I like Shed considerable, not more.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he does so much more.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: Jacoba Waltz is just kind of like an off ball
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: scorer type of guy, and Shed's gonna have the ball
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: in his hands.
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: They like one of the straights in the game.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I saw that the potential assists
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: in the beginning of the season have been really good
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: for Jamal Shed. But yeah, they like to have two
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: hit ball handlers on the court at all times, so
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: I think it's going to be like a mixture. Maybe
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: it makes more sense to be Max two of like
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: Ingram quickly in shed because those are like the three
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: main ball handlers now that Argie Barrett is out.
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I just can't imagine on this like getting to
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: all three of them, but like they do all project well,
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: so it's not like impossible to your point.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, trying to do better talking about the rules.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: Had to couple people and it was a pretty big
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: conversation yesterday's slate. So I you know that a lot
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: of people watch these shows and look for that, So
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: I'll do a better job of going through the rules
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: as I see fit throughout the slate. But all right,
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: next game on the slate, one that you're definitely gonna
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: want to wait on for some of the injury news
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: because it's got the most in the slate. I think
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: that there might be a little bit of little sportsmanship
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: or what's called, I don't know, showmanship, sportsmanship, I.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Forgot what the word I'm looking for is.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: But Milwaukee upgraded Jannis to questionable last night, and then
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: in turn, Miami just listed a bunch of guys questionable.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: So I don't really know.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: What's going to go on there, but I feel like
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: Jianni is probably closer to being out. He had a
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: one to two week injury designation for this growing and
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: growing is definitely not something you want to come back
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: earlier from Joannis does care about the NBA Cup, but
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: the spread kind of indicates to me that Jannis were
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: gonna be missing because they are eight and a half
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: point underdogs. I think Giannie is probably worth like four points,
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: maybe three, three or four points on the spread, so
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: I would probably lean him being out if he's in there.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: I kind of think like regardless of him being in
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: and out is not really going to change too much
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: on how I view this game. From the Milwaukee side,
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: Like Ryan Rawlins definitely earned the eight point four K
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: price tag, but that's got to be as high as
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: it should ever get for him, even with yeah, he's
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: really good at like seven point five and below, But
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: I think as we get up up there, it's like
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: the a K's. He does have like sixty point outcomes
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: within this range of outcomes, and it is a fast
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: paced game, good matchup as well, but I just don't
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: really think that I can take myself to play heavily
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: into him. I would probably prefer to get down to
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: Cole Anthony at four point two k just because he's
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: point guard shooting guard. If you honest were to be out,
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: but if you honest is in, I think it just
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: takes away too much of everybody else that it's just
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: not a spot I really want to get into. The
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: Miami stuff is pretty big though, because it's two guys
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: that are playing a ton of minutes in Wiggins and Hawkes,
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: I think are the biggest Q tags for them. And
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: you also gotta like consider that Tyler Herro is back,
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: Norman Powell is going to be back as well, which
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: is surprised and considering heally missed like one or two
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: games with his growing injury. So there's just like a
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: lot of question marks around what the rotation and how
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: the usage is gonna spread out from Miami. I think
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: that we know that Hero is gonna have pretty good usage.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: I think that probably the healthier he gets, the more
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: it takes away from Bam, maybe not as much power,
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: because I think that his role is pretty solidified as
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: just like a off ball like drive and like three
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: three three point shooter, but like Wiggins has to get
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: impacted by him negatively, I think I may Hotkes would
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: as well. Okay, we're getting some Heat news as we
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: talk right now, so all these guys are being upgraded
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: to probable. Nice, Okay, it's.
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: Funny too because like to your point, like I agree,
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: but like also I like the hero Bam two man game,
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: so like I think there's a lot of instances where
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: it doesn't hurt maam, and it's just really murky.
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: But I'm glad we're getting news.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's also, uh, something I've been paying attention to
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: because the Heat just don't run pick and roll anymore,
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: and that's kind of ty the Heroes game. And he
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: even said, like as we get deeper into the season,
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: we're gonna have to start running pick and pick and
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: roll more. So it's like you're going against what your
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: team has been doing and like what's made them successful
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: up to at this point, just because that's how you.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Like to play.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: So I'm a little I'm a little curious to see
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: what the Miami offense looks like when this team gets
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: fully healthy, which it looks like it could be tonight.
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: Because that's always murky, right because like to your point,
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: like changing it how and they're playing well, but like
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: it's a small sample size and like he's their best
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: offensive player and like one of their top two most
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: paid players. So it's like it always gets tricky in
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: those spots in the NBA because the players have so
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: much control.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah for sure.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: Okay, so I feel like this one is probably one
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: that just you don't really need to get much of
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: with the price is considered and now all the injury
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: guys looking like they're gonna play. But yeah, I want
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: to see what the starting lineup looks like for Miami
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: because I'm kind of interested. I feel like it's gonna be, uh,
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: they probably just take Daveon out of the starting lineup
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: and go with probably like Hero Powell, Wiggins, Bam. I
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: like those four for sure starting then it's between Where
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: and dave Yon, I think.
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: Because well where is the one interesting piece that like remains.
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: I think he would look better with more guys out.
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: But man, like he's been smashing recently, and you know
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: not to just be a strict game log watcher, like
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: forty five plus d K points and three straight at
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: no ownership at under seven K is intriguing, Like I
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: probably likely won't get there, but wanted to call him
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: out because like clearly has tournament upside. But to your point,
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: I think Miami is more or less like out of
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: play except for like tournament guys. I wouldn't like cross
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: Miami off in one fifty settings, but no priorities at all.
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: And then Milwaukee to your point, I think Williannie is
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: worth at least that and yeah, like groin injury, don't
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: really want to mess with that if he's out, Like
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: presuming he's out, do you think going back to Bobby
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: portis like because I don't know. I mean portis obviously
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: for a long time, every time Jannis is out was
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: just an auto smash play got their last time out
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: was close the time before that, But I don't think
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: he's like an auto lock. If Giannice is out here,
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: I do think he's in play and as much shit
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: as I talked on rollins, and I won't play him
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: at eighty four hundred. It is like a perfect get
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: back rollin spot. He was chalk lastly at eight k,
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: now a little bit more expensive, he'll be like one
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: percent owned in a really high uphaced spot against Miami.
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: So like, I won't play him, but Milwaukee is intriguing.
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: If this game stays tight and Giannis is out.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it like I would be playing some
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: Rawlins for sure if you honest were to be out,
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: just because I do think, like we said, there is
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: a range of outcomes where he does put up like
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: fifty five to sixty. We've seen it from him, and
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: it is a good spot, pace up spot against a
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: team that kind of funnels a lot of scoring to
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: point guards. So I would be fine with him. Wouldn't
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: be as good of a play as he was like
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: seven K, but yeah, I'd be fine with him. I
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: do agree with you on Portous. I feel like he
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: like he has the best matchup for the Bigs, like
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: as a guy that can score off ball and kind
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: of create his own offense, and we know that the
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: rebounding stuff is really good. I really think that Turner
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: is just to kind of outmatch in.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: This pace up spot.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: He's just not able to get up and down the
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: court like he was when he was younger. I just
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: think that he's a guy that could get ran off
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: the court, So that would in turn like theoretically help
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: Bobby Portis. I would probably just be like Portois, Rawlins
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: and then Cole Anthony Is the three guys that I
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: would be considering, and probably a max One.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: I guess they're might be a range of outcomes where
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: Kuzman gets there as well. But it's it's really gross
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: just because the governor environments have been so good.
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: It's so funny too, Like it's so gross, like he
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: can't play Kuzma ever, but then like the one day
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: he smashes, he wins Masla like literally every single tournament
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: on DraftKings, and it's hard to ignore stuff like that,
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: you know.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So I don't know, I have no idea.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: What the hell doctors just thinking by starting Jericho Sims
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: last game. I mean, it's just like you. It kind
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: of reminds me of like when the Bulls started Patrick
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: Williams at center instead of Jalen Smith, Like what are
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: we doing? Just play the backup? Like it's just you're
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: getting way too smart. I don't know if there's like
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: some analytics baked into those types of decisions, but Jercho
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: Sims should not be starting in any game right now?
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: If listening, then sorry about that. I know he loves
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: Jericho Sims.
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: It's just funny too when it's like if it were
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: like a long time absence for a guy like Vouch
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: and you like still wanted to keep Jalen's myth and
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: like the bench roll like what he's been good at. Like,
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: I still don't agree, but I kind of get it.
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: For like a one or two game scenario, it just
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: doesn't even make sense to me.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just you're out smarting and it was like
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: the best matchup for opposing big man's like you needed
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: the center out there.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Just made made no sense. It was a game against
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: the Pelicans, right, I think they.
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: Did that and they got rolled.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: I mean the Pelicans are a team that can only
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: really score around the basket, so you would think you'd
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: want somebody that can protect the basket. But too much
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: time spent on the team that's not even on the slate.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: But yeah, so Milwaukee stuff. Like we said, keep an
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: eye on the honest tag. I think that's another reason
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: why you don't really want to play too much of
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: that first game, because this is we'll get We'll get
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: enough news and be able to to late swap all
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: these these pieces in this next window. This game does
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: have a lot of importance. Minnesota at OKCU. SGA does
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: have a Q tag, but he was at shoot around
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: this morning, so should be fine to play this one
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: really big game for the NBA Cup. I think a
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: win for either team would really improve their odds of
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: winning their group.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: It's really close.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: Sons are going to get a lot of information on
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: what they needed to do after this game because their
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: game starts two and a half hours later. So also
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: kind of another reason why you want to wait, because
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: I don't really know the scenarios exactly right now. But
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: okay See is first, so if they lose, Phoenix with
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: a win would help them a ton because they've already
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: beaten Minnesota and then they play okay See last. So
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: yeah'd be a really big, really big game for Phoenix later,
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: but really big for okay See in Minnesota. I think
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: much bigger for Minnesota because they're kind of out of
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: it unless they win this game. But yeah, from a
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: matchup perspective, we know that okay See is pretty much
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: elite in all defensive metrics. I would say the one
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: area that you can always kind of attack them with
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: is off ball scoring. The three point defense is slightly
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: below average, same with the catch and shoot stuff. And
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: then for Minnesota, they've been a little bit better. They
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: didn't rebound great last time. Out versus Sacramento, which is
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: a little bit alarming, but they are giving up this
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: and most pick and roll points per game, so definitely
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: a decent spot for for Shay. I would say I
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: do like some good amount of stuff in this game.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: I think that for Minnesota it's I don't know. I'm
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: I'm pretty high on Jada McDaniels in this one. I
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: think that he's just looked really good this season and
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: they haven't been using him as much on ball as
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: they were in years past, and I think that they
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: might do that here, play him, you know, a little
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: like a roaming type of defensive assignment to put Ant
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: on Sga, like that is something that we've seen happen
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: in the past.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: And if that happens, then.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: From a minute's perspective, he's pretty safe because he doesn't
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: have the same amount of foul risks that as he
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: would if he was guarding Sga. He also has a
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: pretty good history against Okay see last season. I think
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: that they have been okay as like leaving him at
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: open at times and really honing in on Ant and Randall,
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: which gets me off of those two guys because I
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: just think that it's a terrible matchup for them, but
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: he topped thirty six draggings points in all but one
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: game against ok season in four matchups. He had fifty
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: and a half DK points in one of those games,
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: so he scores really well against them, which makes sense.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: Like I said, okay See does funnel things softball scores,
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: So him and Dante Devincenzo the two guys I'm most
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: excited about on Minnesota. You can always play Ant, but
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: he has not done well. He's basically been below what
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: you would need from him at nine point four K
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: in every game against okay See outside of like two
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: games in his entire career against them, So I'd be
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: okay getting away from Ant saying thing for Randall, just
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: I don't really like the matchup okay See elite rim protection,
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: so don't really like the spot for him. So it's
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: really just Jayden and Dante for me. And then I
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: think it's just SGA for me on okay See, and
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: I actually do like him quite a bit, Like I mentioned,
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: just the pick and roll stuff for Minnesota has been
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: pretty bad this season. He had sixty five and seventy
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: draftings points in two games against Minnesota last season, so
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: it definitely has the upside. He's probably my favorite definitely
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: between him and Giannis. I would say he's my favorite,
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: but not my favorite nine k PUS player.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: I would say he's probably like fourth or fifth.
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we differ here.
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: We've agreed on basically everything so far, so it's nice
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: to see things a little bit differently. I don't like
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: this game really at all from a DFS perspective, Like
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: I get it. Certainly in one fifty settings, I wouldn't
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: be crossing these teams out. But as much as I
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: like the McDaniels call at fifty seven hundred and I
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: think there's like some hidden not in projection stuff in
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: there that I could get on board with, Like you're
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: giving up a bunch of projection to go there, so
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: you can do that in a couple of spots.
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: I'm just not sure i'll do that there.
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: I don't think I want to allocate eleven K and
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: Shay like, I'm fine with it.
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: I don't think he's a bad play it's.
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: Just not someone I don't think I'm gonna prioritize between
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: him and Yiannis coming off the injury.
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: It's close. I do feel like if Giannis plays though
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: he's healthy, So I actually prefer Giannis if I'm playing
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: one of Gianni's or Shay, but I prefer a bunch
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: of the nine K guys like you mentioned over those guys.
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: I'm not on.
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: Ant or Randall as you mentioned, you could always playing it,
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: but I like the history he talked about, and it's
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: just not really an appealing price tag in this matchup.
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: I like the McDaniels called all the guys like McDaniels
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: would be it. I just for me playing limited lineups,
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: I don't think I get to anything here, and I
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: worry most with that stance about it just being like
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: a really really close competitive game that happens to be
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: high scoring and it has a bunch of good players
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: in it, So I recognize that, like you can always
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: get guys to go off in games like that. I
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: just think there's other spots I like more, and we
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: haven't even gotten to a bunch of them yet.
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, Jake did mention Nas always kills okay, see, yeah,
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: looked at it. Last year was great against them, Like,
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: had like a couple of six fifty and sixty points
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: against them. Three of those games, though, came without both
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: Rudy Gobar and Julius Randall. In the one game that
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: he did play, which was on New Year's Eve, he
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: did have a good game. He played more than both
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: Randall and Gobaron that went thirty three minutes. Did have
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: a strong outing with thirty seven draftings points. I do
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: think that he matches up a little bit better against Okay,
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: see if if we see Gobert or I don't think
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: that Randall's minutes are really at risk. I would say
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: it's more coming from Gobert's. I probably don't. I would
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: always be Max one of the bigs. But I think
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: now even more so is like a spot where if
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: you're playing NAS, you don't want Gobert or Randall, I
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: would say, because he's probably taking away offensively from Randall
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: enough where they don't really correlate well, and then taking
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: away minutes from Gobert. So i'd be Max one of
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: those guys, probably a Max.
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: Actually overall, especially also because his price tags up, so
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: you don't get like as much wiggle room there like
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: NAS read's almost six K fifty nine hundred now, So
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: like I think, definitely you don't want to play them together.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and definitely like Nas is always a guy that
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: should be in your playpool regardless because he does have
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: really big upside off the bench. So I'll get to
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: a little bit of him. But he wasn't that good
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: in the playoff series. I'll just say I don't think
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: he topped like twenty two draftings points in any of
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: the games in then against Okay, seeing the playoffs, so
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: but this is you know, regular season could definitely get there,
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: all right. Next game, Memphis at New Orleans. This game
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: has basically no NBA Cup importance, so it's just two
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: bad teams facing off against each other. We are waiting
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: on the Zach ed Q tag, which is somewhat big.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: That could open up a little bit of value in
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: the front court for the Grizzlies, mainly in.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: What's his name? Uh, all right, that's that's in the
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: Kings game. That would be Jock Landell. Yeah, the other
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: the other backup.
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they play and look very similarly, so I don't
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: don't blame you there, but yeah, that would open up
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: some value with Jock Lando, who did have a really
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: big game last time out filling in for Edie against Denver,
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: I believe, and he would be in a really good
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: spot here against New Orleans, who's a team that we
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: always look to attack with opposing centers and just guys
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: that score around the basket.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: We do need to keep an eye on the.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: Starting lineup because had some weird stuff happened last game
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: the Pelicans were on a slate. Derek Queen and Jeremih
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: Fears were obviously the two guys that were starting their
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: you know, two high first round picks last year. We're
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: benched for Missy and Jose Alvarado, And I mean there's
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: a chance that Queen doesn't start here. I don't really
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: know if that would really change much in terms of
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: like playing Missy. Obviously four point one k would be
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: a good tag for someone like him who does have
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: decent permanent upside. But if he's not starting, if Queen's
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: not starting and it's Missy, that's probably going to be
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: like a fifty to fifty split down the middle at
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: the center spot. So I don't really know if like,
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: I'm definitely not playing Queen if that's the case, if
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: he's kind of with the bench, But I don't even
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: know if that would really make Missy that appealing at
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: four point one K definitely better than he looks right now,
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: but nothing like two out of pocket I would I
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: would think, and then the same thing. But it's different
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: for Evarado, because if Alvarado's starting and we know that
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: we're getting like twenty eight to thirty from him, I
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: would be very interested in that. I don't think that
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: he's going to start. I think they go back to
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: Fears and Queen probably, but just on the off chance
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: that those guys do start over them. It's kind of
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: how I would approach it. I would be Max one
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: of Queen and Missy, Max one, Evarado and Fears probably
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: Max two overall. On the Pelicans, I think that there
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: are more appealing games as we get deeper into the slate.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: And then for the Memphis side, I don't know. Edie
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: if he's back is in an okay spot. I would
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: probably not want to play any of these Memphis pieces.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: I would play Jock if Edie were to be out.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: I think that Wells is okay in terms of his
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: matchup being really good. New Orleans does funnel a lot
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: of stuff to the basket, but also their catch and
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: shoot defense has been very poor this season, and he's
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: only four point five K coming off of a pretty
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: good game, so I'd be okay with him. But I
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: think it's kind of a max Max one for Memphis,
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: Max two for No Orleans and just prepare for the
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: next games in two hours.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: What do you think in this game?
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: Man?
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: I want to like this game, but I don't know
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: how much I actually do like this game. From the
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: Memphis side, it's tough. Their tags are up and they're
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: getting a little bit healthier. So like, I think I'm
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: out on most of Memphis, even if Edie's out. Like
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: I think Landell's fine, but like Opportunity Costage Center, he
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: just had his nut game Like it is a good spot.
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: I think he's a fine play, but not like a must.
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: Other than that, I don't really want much from Memphis.
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: New Orleans is interesting. Totally agree with you on Alvarado.
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: If he's starting, he's like a lock for me. I
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: mean the whole often be that if he's starting and
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: he's cheap because he's a guy that can rack up
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: DFS points.
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: But I also don't think that they start.
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: I think that was a one time thing, and in
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: that scenario, I think going back to Queen is interesting.
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: Like price tag up. Obviously, the sentiment around him in
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: the DFS industry isn't great after last time out, but
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: even at this new increased tag, like the three games
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: before that, he had smashed even this tag. So yeah,
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: if Queen's starting, I presume they're gonna go back to normal.
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: That said, like there's more risk because Missy played well,
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: like maybe that earned him even just a couple more minutes.
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: Zion's obviously back, So I don't think there's any priority
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: from this game for me, but I think there's plays
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: that could easily get there. And I think this game
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: could be sloppy and close, and even if it's not
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: high high scoring, sloppy.
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: With a lot of turnovers, and those games rack up
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: the points.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just funny the way the DFS works, I
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: guess just basketball in general, Like the moment you get
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: comfortable playing a player like Derrek, Queen and somebody that
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: they are, you know, very invested in, they just pull
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: the rug out from under you. And you know, don't
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: that's got to hurt a young player's confidence too. I mean,
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: that's I can't imagine that's good for him long term.
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: Just made no sense. That's why I gotta believe they're
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: going to go back to starting him in fears.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so too. But like you said, money,
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: if there's a chance that MESSI did earn some more
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: minutes and we're not getting what we were from a Queen,
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: which was like around thirty two and it's more like
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: twenty eight to thirty, then that does change things a lot.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, he was honestly good, like still pretty good
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: from a per minute standpoint in that last game, only
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: played seventeen minutes, but twenty three points seventy five draftings
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: points is still pretty solid. So I I agree with you,
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: like I'm if the ownership comes down on Queen, like
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: i'd see it projected in the double digits at one place,
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: we have it at.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: At nine.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's probably around like that nine cent mark, like
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: us and Savors him have it. I would imagine so
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: that that'd be fine, Like that that'd be okay. I
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: do think that there are two centers, I mean, maybe
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: even three centers in these next three games that stick
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: out in a pretty big way for me that I
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: would probably land somewhere in that nine percent range in
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: my one P fifty.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: But I mean we've seen.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: The upset from him, so there is a little bit
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: of leverage should be had by playing him.
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: So I talk about just real quick, we didn't really talk.
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: About Potal, but Queen or Potal presuming Queen starting.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: I think I think Pertal just because he's a little
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: bit cheaper, and I yeah, I guess we did kind
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: of gloss over Portal, but it is a good matchup
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: for him against Indy team that is really bad around
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: the basket and also not rebounding the ball the ball
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: that well right now, So I do I do think
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: Proto is a pretty decent spot and I do like
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: him eight hundred cheaper than Queen because we know that
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: the minutes are going to be there for him, assuming
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: that the game stays somewhat close and they're not up
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: by like thirty heading into the fourth.
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: It's hard to get to Queen on this slate.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, our guy Doug, he likes Vince Williams,
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: I would assume. And then Pat Spencer. Pat Spenser's been
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: playing really well lately, so like that call. Yeah, I
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: guess Bay two is a guy that does deserve a
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: little bit of love, But did kind of look over
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: the Zion and Tray and Bay talk because I think
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: that all three of those guys are in play. Probably
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: don't want I mean, you're I think you're staking max
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: two of New Orleans anyway, so you're not getting two
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: of them. But the matchup is pretty so I think
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: Zion's upside is kind of attached to Edie's availability, because
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: taking Edie out, they've been pretty good protecting the rim
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: with him in there. I think taking him out and
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: adding Jock would make this a pretty good spot for Zion,
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: So I would like him a lot more if Edie
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: were to be out. I think he's okay. If Di's in,
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: I'd like the spot for Murphy a little bit. Still
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: a little bit too expensive for me for just the
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: role we've seen with Queen and Zion and all these
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: guys kind of taking away touches from him. He's mainly
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: kind of been asked to do more off ball stuff.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: So I think that matchup wise is pretty good. But
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: you can get the same matchup and not same upside,
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: but like the same type of point per dollar upside
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: in Sadik Bay with the small forward power forward eligibility.
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: I do think that he's pretty good. His three point
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: over under is kind of juice up too, so they're
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: expecting to have a pretty good night.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: You liking anything on those.
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: Guys, Yeah, I think Bay is my favorite. Actually, weirdly enough,
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: I think they all do look kind of similar for
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: how they're priced. And Zion, Yeah, if Ead he's out,
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: like not excited about it, but cheap enough projects well
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: enough where I think he's in play for sure. So
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: I don't want to play a bunch of these guys,
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: but I think any one or I guess two of
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: like the Bay Murphy's Ion Queen, I would throw in there,
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: you know, as we talked about.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, more I look at it.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: Bay does look pretty good, kind of just fills in
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: a fairly weak forward position forty two points forty seven
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: points his last two games double doubles, so he's kind
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: of turned things around, playing a lot better than I
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: thought he was capable of. So don't don't mind City
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: Bay at all, guy, Jordan lux Bay as well. Next
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: game on the slate, Phoenix at Sacramento. Big game for Phoenix.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: Like we said, they will have a lot of information
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: heading into this game on what the Minnesota and OKAC
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: game is looking like. To know, I mean, they're gonna
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: want to win regardless, because they can still get a
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: wild card if they don't win their group. But a
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: really good matchup for the Suns here. King's coming off
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: of two pretty big wins against Denver Minnesota, but still
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: a team I'm not a believer in. There's a lot
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: of talk about the you know, trading like some of
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: these guys I heard Levigne to Milwaukee's potential. And then
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: DeMar de Rosen is a contract that's very tradable and
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: an older guy that which is not surprising to me
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: at all that the Clippers have interest in him because
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: they just essentially are trading out Paula George for an
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: older and less efficient version of himself. So I wouldn't
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: be surprised that the Clippers want Demarta Rosen.
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: The Clippers mind de Mar de Rozen, you know, it.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: Makes the most sense.
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they they just went after John Collins talking about
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: trading him now, even though he kind of fits the
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: new NBA mold, So it makes sense to just slow
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: down the game and play a lot in the half
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: court and take a bunch of mid range jumpers. So
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: it makes a lot of sense there. But yeah, the
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: on ball defense for Sacramento did get a little bit
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: better with Keegan Murray back in the mix. He's gonna
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: play a ton of minutes and we'll be guarding Devin Booker,
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: So you could, like I said, you could poke holes
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: in these nine K guys, and Booker is gonna be
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: one of the higher on guys we've seen at nineteen
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: and a half percent on our site right now, which
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: is a lot for a guy that's not shooting the
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: ball well and also kind of sees his numbers dip
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: in a fairly meaningful way with Grayson Allen off the court.
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, the overall offensive efficiency gets a lot worse
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: with Grayson off the court.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: He's been shooting the ball really well. The assist numbers dip,
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: which is what I meant.
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, the numbers look a little bit worse for
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: Devin Booker in a tough ish matchup. I think he's fine.
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: I kind of prefer some of these other spins and
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: just kind of like shifting around the bill and not
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: having to play multiple nine K guys is kind of
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: how I view and the slate. You can definitely play
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: him because I think that if I had to choose
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: somebody on tonight's slate to play the most minutes, he'd
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: probably be the first or second option maybe between him
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: and Am and Thompson. I could see getting forty or
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: more minutes tonight, So just from that standpoint, he is
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: in play. I really like the spot for Mark Williams.
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: Though the Kings have been terrible, just give him a
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: ton of points. Inside there's talk about them starting Precious Otua,
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: who is an undersized center. So I think Mark Williams
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: is really really good here. The Kings are bottom three
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: and DVP versus centers this season. Really a lot to
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: like about Mark, so he's probably my first, if not
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: second favorite center option on the slate. At five point
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: seven K, I think this could be the spot where
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: we really see him break out. We haven't really had
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: like a huge game from him yet. He's been fine
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: from a points per dollars standpoint, but I think this
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: is a spot where he goes off and then assuming
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: Devin Booker does get somewhat limited and like shut down
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: by Keith and Murray, I think Brooks and Con Gillespie
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: are the two guys that make the most sense as
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: well as Goodwin. He's been playing good minutes five point
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: four K, good price, seg for somebody shooting guard small
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: Ford eligible Jordan Goodwin right around one Fantasy points per minute,
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: should be playing close to thirty minutes to night, so
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: he's actually a pretty strong value play. And then Dylan
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: Brooks is a guy that sees his usage jump up
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: in a pretty big way in the non Grayce and
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: Allen minutes, I think that he's fine. Will be guarding
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: DeMar DeRozan, who got to the line like fifteen times
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: last game, so there is a lot of foul rists,
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: but I think that Booker has some upside. And then
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: the King side, I think it's probably just Keegan and Damar.
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: For me, I think the price eggs are fair on them.
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: I don't love playing Kings just because none of these
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: guys minutes are very safe. Like we've seen Zach Lavine
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: lose minutes to Malik Monk. We're seeing like Damarrow even
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: get bench at times. I think Keegan is the safest
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: because they're the most invested into him. Just signed a
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: massive contract, so I think was a huge overpay in
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: the offseason, so they're going to want to play him
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: a lot. He's like not great from a point from
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: minut standpoint, just under one it's more closer to point
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: nine fantasy points for a minute season than it.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: Is to one.
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: But if he lands like right around thirty five minutes,
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: then that's fine and enough him to payoff. But I
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: think he needs efficient rebounding and scoring to really pay
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: off in a big way.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: So I don't.
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: I don't view these kings as priorities at all. I
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: think that the sun side is a little bit better.
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: Are you viewing anything differently in this game?
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: Not? Really?
• 53:20
  Speaker 5: Mostly the same. I like Mark Williams just as much
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: as you do. I think I like Booker a little
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: bit more than you do, just because you can poke
• 53:28
  Speaker 5: holes in like every extensive player on the slate, basically
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: like I just don't.
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: I just like Booker here. I wouldn't say I like
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: him more than you.
• 53:37
  Speaker 5: I just think, like to your point, you can voke
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: holes in all these guys, so none of them are perfect.
• 53:41
  Speaker 5: I think his floor ceiling combination in this spot is nice,
• 53:46
  Speaker 5: So I like Booker a lot. Mark Williams is likely
• 53:51
  Speaker 5: to be a core play for me, so he looks
• 53:53
  Speaker 5: really good.
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: My favorite center on the slate, I think, and then like.
• 53:57
  Speaker 5: The Goodwins Brooks, H kylein Gillespie's cool with any all
• 54:03
  Speaker 5: of them, none of them in any given lineup good
• 54:06
  Speaker 5: spot against Sacramento, So yeah, I think he definitely wants
• 54:09
  Speaker 5: some Phoenix exposure here. My top two are definitely Williams
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: and Booker, and then from the Sacramento side, I don't
• 54:16
  Speaker 5: like much to your point with Keegan being back. The
• 54:20
  Speaker 5: one guy that I could play though, uh you know
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: it's about as cheap as he'll be forty four hundred
• 54:25
  Speaker 5: coming off a good game is Malik Monk. Projects decent.
• 54:29
  Speaker 5: I don't think he gets any ownership really, and he's
• 54:31
  Speaker 5: got upside of this tag. So Monk is the one
• 54:34
  Speaker 5: guy that's going to stay in my pool from Sacramento.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that call too. I mean, lake Monk
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: is a baller.
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: He deserves to be playing on a team that is
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: in the playoffs and competitive. I would like to see
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: him get traded somewhere I don't know where, but he
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: deserves to be playing for a good team.
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: Wohen not set that rule.
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: I think that it's probably smart to be max two
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: of like the secondary guys, like like the non Booker players.
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: I would say the guys that probably correlate the most
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: negatively would be Brooks, S, Gillespie, Royce, and Goodwin, so
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: you could be max two of those guys. I don't
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: really think that I want to play three sons, but
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: I think there are scenarios where three get there. But
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: I would probably just be max two of those four guys.
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: And then you know, if you have like if you
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: have Goodwin and Mark and Booker. I still think that
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: that three combo pack is is pretty solid.
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: I'm with you.
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: I could easily see three sons getting there, but I like,
• 55:33
  Speaker 5: right now, like looking at my builds, I really don't
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: want to play three in a lineup. I think I
• 55:37
  Speaker 5: want to be at that sweet spot of two and
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: my favorite two are Booker and Williams. I think I'm
• 55:43
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure if I'm more likely at this point
• 55:45
  Speaker 5: right now to play one or three, because I think
• 55:47
  Speaker 5: Phoenix is a really good spot, but there's other good
• 55:50
  Speaker 5: spots on this laye and other just good plays overall.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this was like one of the tougher slates in
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: terms because I like to think about game environments as
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: a whole and like how I can play two to
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: three from a game. This was one where I just
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: I liked a lot of these games, but like, like
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: this game, the Kings and Suns game is a great
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: game for sure, but all the value from it is
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: coming from the Sun's side, Like you don't really write,
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: I don't really want people to think that you need
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: to be forcing a Kings player if you're playing three Sons,
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: because they can still get there. That's and that's the
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: same thing with these other two games, Like I love
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: the Spurs and Portland game, but I'm not really running
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: to play anyone on San Antonio in general, like in particular.
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I think that that makes a good point,
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: like you don't really have to be forcing correlation. We
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: talked about it a little bit, but I think that
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: this late more than others, is like a one that
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: you're just playing your favorite plays.
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 56:39
  Speaker 5: The one game that if I could see that correlating
• 56:42
  Speaker 5: a lot, if I were going to do it, is
• 56:44
  Speaker 5: that Indiana Toronto game.
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, And it's kind of funny because that
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: one doesn't really have any NBA Cup importance, at least
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: for the Indiana side, Like it's just a game that
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: could stay close. And then you also have to think
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: about it in terms of salaries, like the salaries like
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: exactly pretty well for that for that game, so good
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: good call out there, all right. Second, the last game
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: of the slate, really big game, really close spread, one
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: of the higher totals I believe on the slate, san
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: Antonio heading into Portland to take on the Blazers, who
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: could definitely use a win here to when they're grouping.
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: I think that this is a really really good spot
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: for Portland just match up aside, I really could see
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: the minutes game push up here. They seem like a team,
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: you know, younger squad on the whole that really takes
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: the NBA Cup seriously. Could be getting Shaden Sharp back,
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: which is a guy that's going to take away some
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: shots and usage. But just overall, I think it's a
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: pretty good spot for the Portland side. I'll let you
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: kick this one off and tell me if you've seen
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: anything on the San Antonio side in particular, because it
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: looks a little little thin for me.
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think san Antonio looks thin, especially with Harper
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: coming back tonight and price tags like up a little bit.
• 57:51
  Speaker 5: Fox I think would be the top dog in a
• 57:53
  Speaker 5: competitive game. He can get there, but like you're paying
• 57:55
  Speaker 5: full fleet for him at ninety three hundred, and I
• 57:57
  Speaker 5: like book or more, but I think he's like a
• 57:59
  Speaker 5: reasonable pivot, but from the Portland side, like I think
• 58:02
  Speaker 5: I like them over Phoenix, especially if Sharp is out,
• 58:06
  Speaker 5: so off the rip, Like even if Sharp is in,
• 58:09
  Speaker 5: I think Denny is one of the top like three
• 58:11
  Speaker 5: to five plays, maybe even higher than that on the
• 58:14
  Speaker 5: slate overall in what should be a competitive game, a
• 58:17
  Speaker 5: game that they want. I like Denny a ton here,
• 58:21
  Speaker 5: even at that increase ninety five hundred dollars tag. I
• 58:24
  Speaker 5: think Klingen looks really good at fifty nine hundred. I
• 58:28
  Speaker 5: wish he played more minutes, but at you know, under
• 58:32
  Speaker 5: you know, probably fifteen percent ish ownership, I think he's
• 58:35
  Speaker 5: got high upside. Maybe he plays a few more tonight.
• 58:38
  Speaker 5: Jeremy Grant, presuming Sharp is out, I think looks intriguing
• 58:42
  Speaker 5: and then he wasn't great last time out, but he
• 58:45
  Speaker 5: wasn't awful and finished strong. I think that if Sharp
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: is out, Caleb Love is just going to remain in
• 58:49
  Speaker 5: play for me. I think he's like a boomer bust
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: option in tournaments pretty much always price tags.
• 58:56
  Speaker 4: Up a little bit.
• 58:56
  Speaker 5: But I mean, if you're familiar with his game from college,
• 58:59
  Speaker 5: you know that he can shoot you in and out
• 59:01
  Speaker 5: of a tournament any given night. And you know, I
• 59:04
  Speaker 5: think that with guys out, they've clearly relied on his
• 59:07
  Speaker 5: offensive game, and I think they will continue to do
• 59:09
  Speaker 5: so tonight. So as of now, the only like priority
• 59:12
  Speaker 5: piece for me is Denny. But I like a bunch
• 59:15
  Speaker 5: of other surrounding pieces, how about you.
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I like the kid low shout out. Good to
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: see a former tar Heel, and I guess former Wildcat
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: playing well in the NBA right now. I'm a big,
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: big North Carolina guy. I got family out there, so
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: I like seeing Star Hills in the NBA. Yeah, I
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: totally agree with your sentiment on the Blazer side, Like
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: I really really like them. I like all of them,
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: Like I'm cool with Grant, cool with I actually think
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: Klingon is. Yeah, like if one of the best plays,
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: if not the best, I guess him and Mark Williams
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: as like the one A, one B options for me.
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: I kind of want to start with both of those
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: two in my lineup, and then that gives me a
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: lot of salary in these later games to pivot where
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: I need to.
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I.
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: Agree with you, like, I don't think that Denny comes
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: in the slow. I think that's kind of low on him.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: Sabers only got him at five, We've got him at six.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: Another plays has him close to fifteen. I feel like
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: fifteen and maybe lands somewhere in the middle like ten,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: which would be really good. I mean, the role has
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: been outstanding for him in the games that Drew has
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: not played, like the touch times up potential assist or
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: up drives her way up against a team like the
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: Spurs who has gotten a lot worse on defense with
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: obviously no Wemby out there. So I think that Denny
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: is in a really really big spot here. I'm he's
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: probably my favorite spend. I think in the nine ker
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: Rine he's top dog for me. I have him projecting
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: a lot higher than this personally, I think he should
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: be closer to like fifty, then he should be to forty.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: So yeah, Danny, love him tonight, love King Klinging. And
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: then if things just get a lot better for the
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: like Blazers are great regardless if Sharpe is in or out,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: but then if he's in, you're still playing them. But
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: if he's out, then like Danny gets better, Clean gets
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: a lot better. Grant looks really good. Then you can
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: get to ky of Love as a value play. So yeah,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: Blazer's side I think is really good. Agree with you
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: on Fox and he's top dog there, but I don't
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: love the matchup. I think Toomana Kamara probably you know,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: one of the most underrated Definitely if you watch this
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: show the last two years, you know he's not underrated
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: amongst us, but one of the best defenders in the league.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: We just saw him shut down Ryan Rawlins. Obviously Fox
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: is better and more talented than Ryan Rawlins, but it's
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: not like you're playing Deern Fox in a matchup against
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: the Wizards at his max price. You're playing him against Portland,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: who is a really good who has a really good
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: defender in Toomna Kamaras, so I'd be okay getting away
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: from him.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: That's probably it.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, Harper, I think he's probably gonna be pretty
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: limited in his return, but he was really good from
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: a poor perm minute standpoint with Castle on Wemby off
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: the court the season. If there's any chance that he
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: returns close to full like twenty six minutes, I think
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: he's probably closer to like twenty two to twenty three.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: If anything, then he could be a pivot off of
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: Reacheperd who's getting some ownership. That's kind of just like
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: a last ditch effort type thing. If you really missed
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: on some of your plays in the earlier slates and
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: you have Shepard later, then I would look to pivot
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: to Harper. But I think I'm probably gonna be Max one.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: I think two for San Antonio was fine, just because
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: the game environment does look pretty good. So maybe we
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: get a random big performance out of like Vasell, or
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: like two of Vassil Kelden and Barnes and Champagnee or
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: Harpor something like that. I would be okay with that.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: But the Blazer side is I think where all the
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: values coming for for me? All right, last game on
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: the slate, another one with very big importance, I guess
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: not as much. Warriors seem like they're pretty much a
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: long shot to win, so I would say this is
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: more so just a big game environment on the whole,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: and we do get some good value on the Houston
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: side because they will be without Kevin Durant, who apparently
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: is having a baby. I didn't know that, but Kevin
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: Durant will be out tonight for personal reasons, and then
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: Steven Adams will also be out Jayshawn Tate they get
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: called up from the G League, so he'll probably be
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: in the rotation to some extent tonight. Warriors look like
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: they'll be fully healthy. Just missing Al Horford and Minga
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: right now. Man, I wish we had more time on
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: the show because I would have loved to talk a
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: lot about Cominga. I just feel like there was there
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: was no worse destination for him to go than to
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: play with Steve, like under Steve Kerr in terms of
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: like his development as a pro, because he's just got
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: the tightest, shortest leash of all like high potential players.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: It's funny.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 5: I know his agent from around here too, and he
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 5: that guy's also Terry Rozier's agent, so he's going through
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 5: it right now.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, tough tough scene right there for Kaminga inter Rasier's
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: agent for sure. Yeah, wish he locked up a bigger
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: Just just trade him. If you're not gonna play him,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: just fucking trade him.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 4: I don't know, It's freaking crazy.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 5: I hate situations like this where the player just gets
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 5: screwed out. Yeah, already likely to not be like the
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 5: longest career.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: It's crazy.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: My good thing is he's still pretty young. I don't
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: know what he is now, like twenty four or something
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: like that. But you did miss out on a lot
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: of a lot of prime years. But anyways, so, yeah,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: how are you viewing the Houston stuff? Because it does
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: look like a spot that's getting a lot of ownership.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: I think there are ways that it could go wrong,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: but also a lot of ways that could go right.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: We did see Iman Thompson with the big Game last
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: time out, so I think that he's kind of sticking
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: out a big way. But what do you what are
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: you seeing from the Houston side?
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 4: So I think Houston. I like Houston here.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 5: I don't want to get it twisted, but I don't
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 5: know if I like them as much as like the
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 5: Portland's and the Phoenixes of the world. So like I
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 5: like Sengoon, I'm just not sure he's just of a
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 5: priority for me as Denny and or Booker might be
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 5: still some time to decide that. I think Shepherd's my
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 5: favorite piece. I think he fits into like any type
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 5: of roster construction projects. Well, ownership is going to be there,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 5: but nothing crazy on this slate. Where ownership is pretty
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 5: flat all over, and then a'man's like or i'man excuse me,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 5: it's like the mid mid tier piece.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: I like all of them.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 5: I think that Shepherd might be only guy I prioritize,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 5: and I'm fine getting to Amen or Sengoon. I just
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 5: it's like unlikely I'm gonna fall into ninety nine hundred
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 5: dollars Shangoon, like he's the type he kind of got
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 5: to build around and not the same but similar for Amen.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 5: So if I were playing one fifty, I would definitely
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 5: be getting at least to the field of these guys.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 5: But in like two three lineups, I'm just I'm not
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 5: sure who I'm going to be able to get to
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 5: other than Shepherd. But I think that those three guys
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 5: in particular are good plays. And then Joshakogi and Clint
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 5: Capella as like, you know, dumpster dive type guys. I
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 5: never want to play a Kogi, but playing thirty minutes
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 5: and thirty nine hundred shooting guard in small forward eligibility,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 5: you could do a lot worse. And then Capella the
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 5: flat three k he's getting some ownership. Like, what's your
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 5: take on those guys?
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: I agree with you on a Koge, I think that
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: he'd be the one I'm more inclined to play, just
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: because I really like the center position tonight. I don't
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: really think that I would want to play Capella over
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: like a Klingon or Mark Williams, where I think that
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: they have slate breaking point pal upside. And it's not
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: like Copella is not feeling in the Steven Adams role.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: He's feeling in like backup center minutes now, which is
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: probably one to two rotations each half for probably like
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: five or six minutes apiece. So I think that Copell
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: is a little bit worse than Okogi is as a
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: value play, not out of play by any means, but
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: Forferl Kogie there, and then I agree with you on Shepard.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: I think that if I mean he's looking like thirty
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: percent now the most recent ownership, I'm seeing, we see
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: what we have him at.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I could see him gaining big sea people.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah him. Yeah, so he got him twenty nine percent.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: That that feels right like I I was thinking he
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: would be if it was like fifteen to eighteen percent.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: Just because he's a little bit priced up in the
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: box score doesn't look good in his first start, then
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: I would be very excited about playing him. He's playing
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: really well, really good permanent guy. There is more of
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: a case to be made now that he's going to
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: get some ownership against playing him, But I still like,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: I'm I'm a believer in him as a talent, so
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: I'm fine getting to him for sure.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: I do think that like.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: Amen probably has really good upside that we probably still
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: like more more left on the table for him that
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: we saw from him the last game, really close to
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: either one of the bonuses. Seven rebounds, eight assists, but
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: twenty eight points. Very efficient shooting in his last two games,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: and he's just gonna have to take on a larger
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: role offensively with no Kevin Durant. I also think that
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: this could be a spot where we see his steel
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: rates spike in a decently big way. The Warriors give
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: up the fifth most turnovers per game, so it could
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: be one of those spots where he I mean, they
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: run so many back picks and just like just picks
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: in general, that it could be if things aren't like
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: on the right page for the Warriors, than Amen could
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: have like four or five steals, a lot of easy
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: transition buckets in that sense, So I like him the
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: most out of Houston Seng Gooon. Like you said, building
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: block piece. He is powerfuward eligible now, which is good.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: And I do think that the game that we saw
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: from him against Phoenix is probably more of like a
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: down outlier performance than it would be from what we're.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: Seeing from him.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: I bet him to get a triple double tonight because
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: I think that that's you're probably getting pretty good odds
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: considering he hasn't really done it. I don't think he's
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: done it more than once the season, maybe in the
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: first game of the season, but actually I don't think
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: he did it then.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: He hasn't done it once this season.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: But I think that the Ranger up comes is definitely
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: good there for him to get that. So, just from
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: like a betting standpoint, I like the odds there. But
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: you're taking like Steven Adams off the court, so rebound
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: numbers should look better, and then Kevin Durant off the.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: Court, so the usage should look a lot better.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: You don't only have to like Kadie is a guy
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: that can just like score an ISO, where now they
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: it's got to be like a team effort for this
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: team to score. So I think that could lead to
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: more potential assists than we saw from him last game.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: And then Jabari Smith six point two K definitely deserves
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: some love. He's taken on a much larger offensive workload
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: and his look pretty good lately. The rebound numbers have
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: been pretty solid, and he's scoring the ball pretty well.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: I don't really know.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: Who's gonna be match up with. I don't think it's
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: gonna be Draymonds, so he should avoid their best defenders.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: I kind of like Jabari here, but I don't know.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: I like the I like Houston a good bit. I
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: think that, like a lot of my rosters are going
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: to feature Houston, Portland and Phoenix tonight and then yeah,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: just kind of mixing and matching some of the other pieces.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 4: I'm with you. I'm at Jabari call because I'm with you.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: I like him too.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 4: If if Giannis is out, Jabari your portous at this
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 4: basically the same price.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: Man, that's close, I right, I think I would.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: Have, Uh, it'd have to be Portus starting. Yeah he's starting,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: then I would have you'd have to go to him.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, port of starting ports if not Jabari, I think
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 5: that's pretty easy. That's when there could be a lot
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 5: of those on this late it's hard to go into
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 5: each one.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it'd be pretty close though, I yeah, i'd have
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: to be Portus starting if he's off the bench. I
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: would definitely lean Jabari because also the minutes upside for
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: Jabari is so much more appealing.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: Like he does.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: He can't get it to like thirty eight coming off
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: of like an injury where he's I forgot the injury was,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: but he played pretty fully right off the so he's
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: got that like thirty eight to forty minute range of
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: outcomes where I don't think we're I don't know if
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: we're ever gonna see more than like thirty two from
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: Bobby Portis in a game now. I mean, he hasn't
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: top thirty in a game this season, so it's kind
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: of you really just need highly efficient scoring from Portos.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: I agree, Oh all right, I think that's gonna do it.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: Unless you have any any closing thoughts and just you know,
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: we got through the slate a little over an hour.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: Talked a little bit of non DFS stuff in the beginning,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: but yeah, it looks like a really fun slate and
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: I'm very happy that we got those three late night games.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it should be a fun one.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 5: A lot of like you know, DFAs gamesman ship going
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 5: into this one as opposed to some recent ones, just
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 5: because of the length in the in the slate, you know,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 5: time wise, because there's more games, more gap between games.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 4: So it should be a fun one. And I'm with
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 4: you on what.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 5: You said earlier, like there's a lot of good plays
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 5: in the later game, So it's not really the type
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 5: of slate where you can just like jam early and
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 5: then be good. You can do that, but I don't
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 5: think it's likely to work out.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: I would even be a little cautious about the Milwaukee
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: stuff eating into a bunch, Like if we're getting a
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: ton of ownership from Jannis being out on that, I
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: would proceed with a little bit of caution because I
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: think that it's not like we're waiting on news later
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: in the games. But those games just give they provide
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: you a lot more leverage by waiting and having some
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: spots open to pivot.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: But all right, that's gonna do it.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: Appreciate it, Good luck to everybody tonight, and I'll be
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: back tonight actually at seven pm Pacific, so ten pm
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: Eastern for all of our subs, all of our ultimate subs.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: Me and Sheets are gonna do a little Thanksgiving show tonight,
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: So come hang out, Pour up a nice glass of
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: whiskey or some wine, talk some football with us, and
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: then me and Matt will be back on Friday to
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: close out the NBA Cup as he fills in for
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: him this week. Yeah, So good luck tonight, everyone, and
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: I'll catch you later.
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