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Gene Borrello: $40K Months, Mafia Violence & Life in the Bonanno Mafia · money loyalty legacy

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Is there any fear when you're dealing with all violent people?
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Right. Did you have any fear ever?
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Yes. When I was coming up in the
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early 2000s, people were still getting shot like crazy.
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I would walk in with guns, everything.
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Oh shit, pistols on me, money, everything.
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Because we didn't get searched. Next day I might not have no
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money. And then all of a sudden two
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days later I got 50,000 again. You know what I'm seeing?
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Robin's a drug dealer or whatever.
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We're doing good sports week. So it was constant flaw.
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The thing with us is why we drew so much attention is that we
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were actually extremely violent with the money out and crack his
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head open with a baseball bat. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to
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Money and Legacy. We are here with our special
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guest, Mr. Jean Borello Fanner Banano Prime Family Enforcer
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Trend Second Chance Program affiliate turned best selling
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author turned social media superstar Gene Barela.
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What's up, man? Hey, what's going on, guys?
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So I just want to hit you with a serious question right off The
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Batman. I don't want to get I don't want
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to try and get under your skin with this, but I just want to
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get, you know, right to the point.
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He's like a pissed Yeah. I mean, I don't, I'm not trying
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to piss you off, but do you always pull dying piece smoke
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show models for? Yes, I do.
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Every talent of mine. Holy shit.
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I mean, everybody out there watching this, this dude,
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everybody that he's seen a picture with looks like a
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supermodel. Yeah.
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Has it been like that your whole life or what?
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Always been a ladies. Man, yes, I got lucky with that.
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Did being affiliated with the mob in your former life being,
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you know, being in that lifestyle, did that help you
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with the confidence to go approach women?
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If you're willing to go beat out of somebody, are you?
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Are you are you see a hot girl walking down the street?
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Are you who was just going up in cold approaching her or
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something like that? Well, in our neighborhood, they
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drawn to us, so the hottest women like the bad guys were
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from. So it's easy.
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They flock to you. Yeah.
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You know, they want the gang. So that's really what it.
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Is, you know, a lot of guys just in general, they're afraid to go
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up to a random woman on the street.
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No, I take my shot, you know, like out here in Florida.
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No, you know, like I try, you know?
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Yeah, but it's not the same as New York, like I had it, right,
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you know? Yeah.
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Were you like a celebrity with the women?
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Well, in Howard Beach, basically we are celebrities.
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That's it Sounds stupid, but it's true.
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We run the neighborhood so everyone knows who's who over
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there. It's like a soap opera.
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Ozone Park, Howard Beach, all the tiny neighborhoods in the
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five boroughs, that's, you know, mafia communities.
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You all know each other. That's so and so with so and so.
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Right on. So I mean take us back when you
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when you go out clubbing for example, right, like say you
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went out to have a good time, what kind of what, what clubs
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would you go to in New York? Like what?
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What were the spots that you do so?
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When I was growing up younger, it was sound factor, then it
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went to the limelight, the tunnel, and then when you got
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old, it's like body English. Let's see the other ones.
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That was really big. 1 oak. 1 oak.
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I'm sure you know I've been there before, yeah.
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Greenhouse OK, a lot of rooftops in like the city, multiple
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rooftops SDK, all those spots. Now, when I was kind of told
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people, hey, you know, where they would need to be, like,
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what do people want to know? And everyone I asked there was
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like how much cash this guy carried out.
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But like, was it a thing like, you know, like you see these
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movies and this that the other and I don't think like cheesy,
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but you know, like where he was like I'm holding X amount of
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cash. That's a funny story because I
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mimicked the people I work for. So when you work for certain
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people, you do everything they do.
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Like I was sitting like this because Vinnie sat like this and
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everyone's like, why do you sit like that?
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I was like, because I just picked it up from him, You know
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what I mean? So Ronnie G had a habit of
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carrying a wad of cash like this.
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And you keep the low bills on the outside and you go up.
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So it goes singles, fives, tens, 20s, 50s and hundreds.
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So I mimicked him because he was my mentor, right?
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So I started carrying wads of cash.
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All the money you're making and you keep it in your pocket and
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you go into stores and you, you know, take the rubber off and it
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looks ridiculous. So much so civilian.
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Like you have this pot of money like this, you know, and you go
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to like KFC and you're buying like a take, you know, some
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chicken got like 10 grand cash on you, like, you know, 20, you
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know, so that's I'm I mimicked them.
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So yeah, I would carry like when I was in the street, I was
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making like at my high. I never lied about the money I
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make and my high was making 40,000 a month.
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That was my high plus scores. But like I said, if I was making
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40, I'd spent eighty. I was horrible a month.
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I thought it would never end. And you know, so I would say,
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all right, well, I made this much money.
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I'm going out party the next day.
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I might not have no money as in all of a sudden two days ahead,
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I got 50,000 again, you know what I'm saying?
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Robbins, a drug dealer or whatever.
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We're doing good sports week. So it was constant.
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Flow well, thank God you know it wasn't near the skinny jeans
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phase because. Before I went away, everybody's
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wearing like regular jeans. When I came home, I said, what
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the is this? I said you can't.
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It's crazy. I said that's the style now.
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You see someone walk around a fat pocket.
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Now, yeah, yeah. Say for one of them, for
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example, right, take us through your night, right.
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Let's say you don't got anything to do.
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Like what are you wearing? Like when you go to the when you
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go to the door, like the bouncers are afraid of you and
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they just let you no. No, but we have connections.
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Like we had a connection in posh in Garden City.
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It was like the hottest place on like a Thursday night.
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And I was literally hanging out. The New York Mets.
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Criss Angel. Awesome dude.
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He's a woman. He gets so many Broads.
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It's crazy. But I party.
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But Jose Reyes's brother, the Met.
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Yeah. Paul Duke, Cliff Floyd and at
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the mall, nice scat met with Jason Giambi, bought the whole
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place drinks. Yeah, awesome dude.
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So we had a connecting there, a guy in my crew named Mike
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Palacio. He was a big club and he was a
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made guy and he used to get his walking.
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I would walk him with guns, everything on go shit, pistols,
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army money, everything because we didn't get searched.
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So they the certain guys are like, listen, don't come in with
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guns. Certain guys know where was
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carrying. They're like, you know, gonna
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let you just bring the guys in the clock and get a favor
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because if something happens, we let you in well checking it.
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So you know, we had to connect like that.
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We go up to certain bounces. They just let us run into the
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side. I don't feel like you're going
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to a club, stand on the line you're not doing.
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That No, no, we never did. But you still have to hook them
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up. So, Karen, you know what I'm
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saying? How close?
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They know we're going to get a table and you're going to spend
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money. So how about this?
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I probably next to Jr. Smith.
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Yeah. He didn't spend no money.
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They don't want to spend no money to so many celebrities
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don't. So we got a table for 5000 and
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we're spending money and the bottle waitress is telling us he
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only a tip up like he's just like yeah, she bugs and we don't
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want to spend the money so they want us and they fuck the
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celebrities. They're saying, you know, they
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don't want to pay certain celebrities.
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We'll hook them up. KL Smith, tight ass.
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What are you guys drinking? There, so everyone makes fun of
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me about this because I'm a gin and tonic guy so I got that from
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videos out. I mimicked him to obviously
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drink. That's like a 80s drink, right?
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So I drink. I still drink it for this day.
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They call it G and tonic actually.
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No, that's how I'm drinking. Like you first taste this, that
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that. Should I just.
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I don't know. My last name's a ski bro.
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I can drink everything. Yeah.
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But when? It comes to that like it's an
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acquired taste. No, I like that.
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I actually started like it, Yeah.
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But then I was big, like, like Grey Goose, Red Bull, you know,
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like all those mixes. Yeah.
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And then the champagne CI and the champagne was good, but you
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throw up a lot. When you throw up from
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champagne, it's like the actresses, you know, you're
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throwing up as well. It comes out like water, you
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know. So I didn't like the champagne
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the next day, you know? Like 1 Oak for example, one of
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these clubs in New York. I got banned from there.
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You got banned? Well, for a while, yeah, we
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broke. We beat up a guy in there really
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bad. So we end up not going to go to
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1 Oak no more. But yeah, so it was a great spot
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for a little while, but we end up getting banned in there.
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You're touchable base when you walk around, you know some.
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Gosh, we had it like that. Yeah, where they literally knew
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the in there because when we would go out with Ronnie G and
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these guys, you know, remember Ronnie's a skipper, Ronnie's
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uncle's mob royalty and his salad.
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So wow. They know because the bouncers
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get scared if something happens to us and they don't help us
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because then they think they're going to get beat up by her the
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next day letting something happen to us regular people, you
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know, Then they beg. It's not the common weapons like
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they said. Because Ronnie used to always
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look at me when we go out and he goes give it to me.
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I'm like, what are you talking about?
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Give me the fucking gun. You're not going with a gun.
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Give me the gun. All right?
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You put it in the car. All right, whatever I said,
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we're going to need it there. You see, I saved you the last
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time. Those 9 Mexicans with the
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shovels, right? You have done 9 Mexicans.
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I had two shot dunes. I'm like, back up.
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I saved this. Yeah.
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So, so no one knew who you guys are Like it's messing.
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No, I haven't. Something not everyone knows.
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Not everyone knows. And plus, like gang members,
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they don't care. Yeah, they'll go at you.
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Who's coming? Oh, yeah, they will.
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They'll go at. You now now I'll tell you
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getting a fight and you like you know someone calls Ronnie G I'm
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like, oh, this guy just knew almost shared the club are these
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seems like dude. That's a good question.
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I've seen guys get crippled over that.
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So if they're getting money from the place, like I'll tell you a
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perfect place that was getting money, Ronnie taking money from
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real hotspot in Manhattan, Gold ball.
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So gold bar. It's like a hot spot.
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Ronnie was getting money out the place and a guy's not true.
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Got into a fight in there and he said, yo, you guys wrecked my
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place. The next day, Ronnie, Ricky
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Kessler and Patagon met up with them and they blackjacked them.
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I mean, blackjacked Chip. Chip is in skull.
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That's how bad when you mess with their money, you know what
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I'm saying? That's like, you know, you're
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going to, you're representing them.
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So when you go somewhere you're representing your guy right now.
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You go make a mockery or so many, you know, Oh, they can
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throw your beat, and that's 100%.
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For people that don't know what is a blackjack, can you
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describe? A blackjack is like a little
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thing with a piece of lead leather.
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It's really, you don't want to get hit with it.
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You don't want to get hit with it.
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It's breaking things, you know what I mean?
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I used to use the baton. The one that slides out.
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Yeah, I that's that's bad too. That's like your weapon.
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That's yeah, you know, like why? Why is that?
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Because like when they would send me, they would, it depends.
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Because like I, I said this on the shows, they're very
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particular. Like you can't just do what you
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want when they send you. They'll tell you.
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Well, listen, make sure you shoot him in his ass or pistol
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whip them off, break something, do something you have to follow.
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Then he's very particular. And when he told me, you make
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sure you tell him is after you do this, you know, that's how
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they are. So he would tell me breaks on
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mana. So I know if I hit him with that
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baton, something's going to break.
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Oh, it's shattering, you know what I'm saying?
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So it's, you know, I hit somebody in the ankle, I've shot
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his hole and he kind of clipped. Yeah.
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I've shattered people's bones with those things.
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Yeah. So I know what they do.
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Most guys anyways, they tend to carry themselves a certain way.
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Everybody thinks that they're a tough guy, right?
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Was there any fear when you're dealing with all violent people,
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right. Did you have any fear ever?
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Yes, I mean. When I was coming up in the
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early 2000s, people were still getting shot like crazy in that
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life. It died out a lot, but the
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gunplay was still going on. It would be for the Albanians,
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it would be for these guys. And they were coming with
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fucking shotguns, handguns. My house got shot with a machine
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gun, you know what I'm saying? So I was like kind of like the
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real war still. So that's very nerve wracking
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because, you know, I would have my girlfriend in the car.
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I don't think I'd shoot to the car.
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And I realized she's in there. So it was very, I always have
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pistols on me. So that early 2000s when I first
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got involved, it was still like gunplay.
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It died out, the gunplay, but when the gun plays in effect,
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it's very dangerous. So I was nervous.
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Yeah. So it was like obviously the
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parent penalty a parent originally.
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Like, yeah, I was doing that shit right.
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Remember I'm the guy getting sensor.
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You hate me even though Ronnie sent me to hurt you, you made
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you're mad at me, right? Right.
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Not going to get Ronnie. He's a skipper.
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I'm not. So we're going to go retaliate
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on G, bro, you know what I'm saying?
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So that was the problem. Now, another question as far as
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like how things operate, right, Say you do, you're doing your
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own side hustle, right, right. And then you're doing stuff for
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them, right? But say if you see a guy on the
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street and like this dude owes me X amount of money, blah,
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blah. And it's it's beat out of sight
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for you, for your own issue, right?
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And say, you know, just you smash the shit guy.
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And the same thing goes back to Those guys are going to be
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pissed off. Like what?
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The no like, oh, it's film shit. It depends like mafia politics
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is like the worst politics. Even in jail, it's the worst
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politics. We're the most strictest with
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everything times with the with the rules.
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And so if the guy's on record with somebody like he's with a
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pro and I just blatantly go and beat the piss out in front of
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everybody, yeah, I'm going to be in trouble for that.
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Even if he owes money, you do a different you bring it to a sit
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down, they discuss the money. If he chew over then like this a
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date, let's say they're very strict with things like I'd say,
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oh, you owe 20,000 you got to give XYZ on this day.
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If he's not making a payments and you get him, that's
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understandable. You just go off for it to handle
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and start beating up people's, you know, guys, you got to get
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into a situation as long as you don't get locked up and you fuck
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up their money, correct? You know what I mean?
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Then they got to bail you out and get your lawyers in the net,
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you know what I mean? So most guys in our neighborhood
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don't call cops. They don't want to deal with
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that because then you got to move.
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You can't live there no more, you know what I mean?
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So they didn't want to deal with that soap opera.
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Yeah, Mafia soap opera. Kind of the cutthroat thing and
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we're trying to up each other. Yeah, but it's also an ego
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thing, right? Who got the nitrous cars?
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Who got the jewelry? You know, remember I was with
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the wealthiest crow in the whole area.
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Ronnie G was making 400,000 a month.
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I'm saying that's like unrealistic money, right?
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People thought it was exaggerated to the FBI actually
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said no, he's making 400,000 a month like for years, you know,
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so there was only another crew that was making money like us.
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That was our true Gil's crew. That was hoodie, you know my
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friend hoodie. His crew was the other
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wealthiest girl, but they were nonviolent.
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See the thing with us is why we drew so much attention is that
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we were actually extremely violent with the money.
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That's why the FBI says we have to get you up to St. because now
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people are getting shot beat up. This is not the 80s.
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We're not allowing this no more right.
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Their true was more like I'll beat you up, but nothing's
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happening just off a name. Our crew was Ronnie go hop out
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and crack his head open with a baseball bat.
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Well, I'm also sure that's the reason why, you know, like, say,
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if you guys get to say like the loan shark and stuff, like when
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people borrow money from guys, like, hey, what you got to say,
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we're going to come smack the shit out of you.
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You're going to do it. So my, SO my reputation was
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really bad because I was, I was more strict with Ronnie's money
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than my own because I always wanted to please that.
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I wanted to be known as the guy that always got everything done.
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So they would tell me to do things and I'd have it done in a
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couple hours and I'd be like, oh, it's done to be like, I just
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told you to do it. I'm like, yeah, it's done to
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worry about it. So I would make that.
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That's how I became their main guy for that department.
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It wasn't like you're the enforcer.
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It's just that I was good at that.
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And they says, well, we'll just keep on doing that with him.
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He's good at it. He likes to do it.
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And that's how you get straight out faster.
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You know, going into this, obviously doing all sorts of
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crazy, right? Is there any fear of jail or
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death or right any anything going on in your head with that?
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Obviously, you know the life that you chose, right?
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You know what comes with it, but still didn't date.
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Do you really want to go jail for the rest?
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Do you really want? You know what I mean?
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Like, so you're not thinking about that with young.
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So when I was running around, I started at 18 with them.
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I started at 16. But I wasn't, not gonna lie, I
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wasn't a mafia guy at 16, but I hung out with them at 18.
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I just started with them full throttle.
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I'm on record now and I'm collecting.
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I'm doing things right because they look for the worst kids in
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an but obviously that's what we want.
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Me and his nephew Bobby G you were doing stick ups are like 18
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years old bro stitching up guys come out of college games doing
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We should have been killed like 9 times.
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If it was a video, Sarah and me being fattening his nephew, I
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would have been killed 100%. Do you feel like you got away
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with more than? We stuck up alley Shades.
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He's a skipper from the Genovese family.
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His wife. When we shot you with a shotgun,
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I shot at her to get out the yard.
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Yeah. I didn't even know she put a
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little sucky save shotgun on me. Was that where Ronnie came back
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to your house? No, that was Junior.
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That was all right. So, you know, the Mafia a little
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bit. John Gotti's writing him in
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quack, Quack Angelo Rogerio. We stuck up his game.
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Oh, no shit. His son's game.
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And his son was one of the Sounds like one of the most
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toughest guys in the neighborhood, Junior Rogerio
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Angelo. He's a made guy.
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And he liked me, though. Yeah, but I made a mockery.
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I pissed with the guy and everything.
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Yeah, it was bad. Now, did you do that because you
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wanted to assert dominance? No, we didn't even know it was
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his place. Oh, yeah, We just got the we got
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put on to a school. Our guys come on. 50 KA
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Masterpiece Rolex and we got him.
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You and Bobby got him. Doing it like here and there and
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get the money, yeah, cool. You could hide that or whatever
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you got to do, right? If you RIP off like $80,000
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Rolex right? How do you you heard?
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Of that I have fences, Diamond District.
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The guy used to see me to everybody.
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He knew I had something good from you.
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Yeah. He was excited when he seen me
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because we were talking in high end jewelry.
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And you obviously knew a guy, right, Mom?
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Yeah, if you sell that in the store.
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And then some guys like, oh, this.
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Much diamond district is so crooked, bro.
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They break down the pieces, they sell out the country.
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This guy had such a racket going.
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He's like he would tell me literally he would go Gene the
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watch is worth 80. I'm going to get this much for
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it. This is what I'm giving you for
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it. And he would tell me, break it
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down. So how much would you get?
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So watch was 100 Ki would get 50.
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You get hex, you always get half of what it's worth because he's
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taking the risk, but he's probably going to sell it for
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70. He's going to make 20K now watch
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100%. So we would target like iron
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jewelry hot. We'd hit jewelry stores.
16:28
We took a whole jewelry stores in time.
16:30
So I was extremely out of control.
16:31
And at the one point Ronnie was in jail, he was actually getting
16:33
so much word back about me that he was actually starting to get
16:36
mad at his own life. Taps, he's like tell his kid to
16:37
stop now he's way out of control now.
16:40
It's like every day I'm hearing something new.
16:41
He shot this one, he did this, he's representing me.
16:44
He's completely out of he's got to slow down South back in the
16:47
day, what they would do to slow you down is they kill you, not
16:50
no more. So he basically told me slow the
16:51
fuck down. I'm going to get you shelved
16:53
indefinitely, which means you'll never get straightened out.
16:55
There's complaining, you know, this kid just out of control.
16:58
He's walking in with axes in a park chasing people like this is
17:01
this is not the 60s. You know, I'm saying like this
17:02
keeps going to get everyone locked up.
17:03
So I was like, I'll calm down. And then you got the Hades in my
17:06
crew that bolsless guys. They only money guys.
17:08
They're jealous how much Ronnie and Vinnie loves me.
17:11
Vinnie won't talk to you if you're not.
17:12
Vinnie don't respect you. You guys tell them like this.
17:14
You know what I'm saying? Like a dead fish.
17:16
Yeah. You know, with these hugging me
17:18
with laughing. People hated the relationship I
17:20
had with. Them, No.
17:21
Was that relationship based on? Well I was related so my uncle
17:24
Andy and Vinnie Sauer are best friends.
17:25
My and Jenny and Vinnie Sauer, my grandfather grew up on the
17:28
same block together since they're babies so I was very
17:30
close to that family. Me and his nephew are best
17:32
friends. We're real bad guys.
17:33
Vinnie likes real bad guys. He likes guys like him to
17:36
height, skill, shoot, he likes those guys.
17:38
He always tell me, Gene Keep Rotouri, I want his life to keep
17:41
going. He wants bad guys.
17:42
He's just devoted to that life. That's what he was.
17:44
Yeah, full blown. There's guys that are out there
17:46
like, oh, I'm a tough guy, blah, blah, but what do colors be
17:48
like? All right, here's a pistol.
17:50
All right, let's go do excellent.
17:51
You have some questions. So he had a lot of incidents
17:55
like that and then we texted a kid named Frankie Ran and he's
17:59
always talking about how tough he is and everything like that,
18:00
but he's shooting people on the lake.
18:02
So Mike Patavona, he was with Mike Patavona and he goes,
18:06
listen, he goes, you know, you're doing these ass
18:08
shootings. He goes, now it's time to step
18:10
up. It was fixed.
18:11
All right, we need you to kill this guy.
18:13
We want you to shoot him a kill. We're going to make him.
18:15
He always face turned pale wipes.
18:16
He was scared of that and my pad one goes get the fuck out to a
18:20
map. You look like he was scared.
18:21
What do you mean kill him? We what are you talking about?
18:24
This is what you get caught off on.
18:25
You're faced with white. He's a loosely paper.
18:27
We're only 21 years old, 22 years old, you know, but that's
18:30
our heyday. It's when I was the worst of
18:31
2022 years old. I was like a movie bad.
18:34
So and I remember that was a test.
18:36
You know, I mean, because you see what a guy's capability is.
18:39
Even my partner Bobby Gee, when we got sent to kill Chris
18:41
Cagnada, he throws up. I shot.
18:43
He's supposed to be the primary shooter with 16 bullets.
18:45
I shot my six shots. I was the backup shooter.
18:47
He botched the whole hit. It's in your book, right?
18:49
For the touching that when I was reading that book and well,
18:52
first of all, when I finished the book, I texted man.
18:54
And they go, man, I'm sitting here to myself and I go, I
18:56
can't. And honestly, I swear I don't.
18:58
Like I couldn't remember the last time I finished.
19:00
The book Why? And this and I'm not trying to
19:01
blow his team up your ass. I was reading it, reading it and
19:03
all like sitting back and like this kind of, you know, it's a
19:06
true story. It's real life.
19:08
And I'm sitting here like, you know, like I'm fully.
19:09
Invested in it so the kid we went after was the most
19:12
notorious, toughest kid in the whole neighborhood.
19:14
This kid was the worst. Chris Kegnata.
19:16
They put me on. I told Ronnie he says if we
19:18
don't kill this kid he's going to come back full throttle.
19:19
He'll never stop. Remember Ronnie shot his aunt.
19:22
Ronnie shot his aunt in the ass and Ray and the boss to play the
19:24
cracking Phoenix daughters over the bottle got sent to kill her.
19:27
So he already had an exam towards us, but me and him were
19:30
close friends. How do you think I got next to
19:32
him? I pulled the I chose the life
19:35
over my friends. I met up with them and I snuck
19:37
them. Yeah, that's the situation.
19:39
And I said, Ronnie, this guys gonna snug stop.
19:41
You got me shooting a maniac in the arm.
19:43
Like Amy shot my house with a machine gun.
19:45
You know what I'm saying? So.
19:46
You said earlier like I'm just chasing guy with apps in the
19:48
park, right? Yeah, were you just like looking
19:50
around? Here's an actually no I.
19:52
Don't. I don't like tell me if I'm
19:54
wrong, but you know, it's like, OK, someone's like, hey man, do
19:56
this to him with this. But if you got your own beef and
19:58
you're like, or do you still like hit this motherfucker with
20:01
an axe, dude, the next time I see you like.
20:02
So I had a thing, I had a bunch of nice 'cause I had AGL 450
20:05
bench truck, I had a few cars. So I used to have like an
20:07
apartment. And I'm not lying to this.
20:09
People that know me have listened to this sort of a laugh
20:11
of weapons. So I'd have brass knuckles, A
20:13
Taser gun, Billy club, a pistol station where and I would just
20:16
pick something that I'm going to use.
20:18
Literally, I had a weapon draw you in my car.
20:20
But he used to laugh. I had a mini axe I got from
20:22
sports star and there's like a mini axe.
20:24
So I'm dying to put this in somebody's shoulder.
20:25
You know what I'm saying? So I kept saying I'm going to
20:27
use this on somebody. I said, and finally those kids
20:29
at the basketball park, they were like kids from a different
20:32
neighbor and they're acting tough.
20:33
I didn't get to use it. But I guess when they see me
20:35
pull this axe out, they must have said something's wrong with
20:37
this kid. You got an axe in so.
20:42
But like I said, a lot of things were going back to my boss when
20:45
he was in jail and he likes violence, but he's like, listen,
20:49
remember what happened to Tommy? Dean Goodfellas kept not trying
20:51
to tell him that you're doing too much.
20:53
Now I don't bullshit. I tell how it is.
20:54
One thing why everyone likes me on these channels because I
20:56
don't make myself bigger than what I was.
20:59
I was in the bottom with these guys.
21:00
I was working my way up to other people.
21:01
I was the guy all the nug young kids come up to Ronnie and
21:04
Vinnie. I'm working my way up to be like
21:05
they are. But you taking orders, bro, you
21:07
don't you tell you don't say no to these people.
21:10
If you want to prosper, they tell you, listen, go do that.
21:12
You just go do it, you know, and ask questions.
21:13
Slow down. I'm slow down.
21:16
How many times is that? You think that's where you slow
21:17
up a lot? He was Vinny was getting tired
21:20
of the sit downs because they were respect Vinny so much.
21:22
He go to a sit down and they were just happy to be sitting
21:24
there with Vinny. You know what I'm saying?
21:26
Like, wow, I'm meeting Vinny A Sauer, you know what I'm saying?
21:28
It was hysterical, bro. It's a pleasure to meet you,
21:30
Vinny. He's hysterical like a rock
21:32
star. Yeah, he's like a rock star,
21:33
bro, you know what I mean? So later on in his life, you
21:35
know, you say, oh, he's a gambler, he's this and that.
21:37
Nobody's telling that to his face.
21:38
If he was a bomb, no one's saying that it sounds good.
21:41
I mean, Oh yeah. He's just when they see him,
21:42
it's more how Vinny honor to meet you.
21:44
Vinny, right. You know, so I got lucky being
21:47
with that crow, you know, because that would have been
21:48
killed probably. Growing up, when you decided you
21:51
want to get into that life, who did you idolize?
21:53
That was a gangster. That was a mobster like the Al
21:55
Capone's The Lucky. No, my local Andy.
21:58
That that's who, yeah. We all knew about that.
22:00
That was related to him. My cousin Anthony, he was like
22:02
the guy, OK? He was the guy.
22:04
He came up on the ABBA Anastasia.
22:06
He was killing people with ABBA Anastasia, the Mad Dog.
22:08
He was one of ABBA Anastasia's main 7 body guns.
22:11
So he was like the guy Don call aboard him in after they killed
22:14
AB Anastasia. They says no we're taking Andy,
22:16
we're not killing. Supposed to kill Hope crew at
22:18
man station. Well crew supposed to go Don.
22:19
Carlos says no we're taking you in.
22:21
It took him and Tony Lee and it made them in like the fleet 50s
22:24
you know what I'm saying? It's like these guys been
22:26
running shit like the fishies. You obviously spot.
22:29
Or into it. My cousin was killed, you know,
22:30
on a hit. They killed my cousin.
22:31
Johnny boy Bo Cousil killed him. No one hit man for the Columbos
22:35
shot my cousin. They pulled him over on a
22:36
District Attorney van the light. My cousin was sent to kill him.
22:39
They shot him and they shot him and he survived.
22:41
They came back and killed them three weeks later because of
22:43
Johnny Boy. Say you came from a family of
22:46
tech millionaires, right? And you came from money, right?
22:50
Would you still go into that lice had you came from money?
22:53
No, all that about coming from money.
22:55
It's just the area we grew up in.
22:56
There was no tech guys where we're from.
22:57
We had guys that became boys and stuff like that.
22:59
But 9 out of 10 times, it's almost like a fawn system for
23:02
the mafia, right? That's what it is.
23:03
So you're just born. Yeah.
23:05
That we were still in that era of like where we're still around
23:09
a lot. We have 4 bosses living in our
23:11
neighborhood once, which is five families.
23:13
We have four of the five looking in Howard Beach.
23:15
We're saying we have hundreds of people over there and FBI
23:18
everywhere. We don't have NYPD.
23:21
We have Verizon vans everywhere. We're like, all right, every
23:24
block in a Verizon van. All right.
23:25
What the fuck? ATV yeah, everybody's getting
23:30
their their phones done Yeah, standing there like fucking they
23:33
sat on you know, we knew you know what I'm saying, but
23:35
people. Like listening middle of nowhere
23:37
I or yeah, nowhere Michigan they they.
23:40
Don't understand? They don't understand, you know
23:42
what I mean? Like you like.
23:43
It's such a different way of life.
23:44
So we were the five boroughs #1 priority.
23:48
They actually at one time we were over terrorism.
23:50
No shit. Yes, we were over terrorism in
23:52
the state of New York. Wow.
23:54
At one point, organized crime is so bad in five boroughs that we
23:57
were actually a higher priority in terrorism.
23:59
This is coming from the FBI agent.
24:00
Tell me this. Wow.
24:01
They had unlimited funds for the mafia.
24:03
That means they get extra 3% dollars to get us and they'll
24:05
give it to you. Yeah, because we were taking the
24:07
country, right? You have to look, think about
24:09
this. You want a union job, you can't.
24:11
You got to go to them. Sanitation.
24:12
You got to go to them. So they're taking everything.
24:14
They had to just say we have to cripple this.
24:16
We have to. And then the violence, the
24:19
murders, really what's got bad, you know, people going missing.
24:21
You know, my grandfather's there.
24:22
He's telling my mom, you know, like stories, like every day
24:25
somebody be gone missing, this guy's gone.
24:28
This guy's dead every day. So the violence really is what
24:31
he really had to step into. He must get killed now.
24:34
You know when you're going to go beat somebody after you're going
24:38
to shoot somebody, right? What kind of music are you
24:40
listening to? Yeah, you listen to $0.50.
24:42
All robberies we used to listen to, like rap music, like me and
24:45
my partner get pumped up like $0.50 was one.
24:49
I love Meek Mills. I was a big Meek Mills guy.
24:51
So yeah, that that I definitely had.
24:53
For the other things, no, but the violence, it's very nerve
24:56
wracking into violence like that.
24:58
You got to do some because you could sit there for two days and
25:01
get the person. I've sat and slept in my car for
25:03
two days to get this guy, Angelo Giuseppe.
25:05
I sat my car for two days so. You're sitting in the car,
25:07
you're sitting on people or you're like crew sick, right?
25:09
Are you using your personal car 'cause these guys might get the
25:11
car? Right.
25:12
So you guys were like, you guys were like, we should play some
25:14
shit. Yeah, movies have the conception
25:16
very wrong. You don't get paid for this
25:18
stuff when you're with these guys.
25:19
It's not like, Oh yeah, go shoot that guy.
25:21
You get 5 grand. That's not real.
25:22
It's a movie. When you do things for these
25:24
people, it's an honor and a privilege.
25:25
They look at as you're trying to make your way up into the ranks.
25:27
You're not going to say, Oh yeah, I'm going to take care of
25:29
it. You got to tell me 10 grand,
25:30
like get lost. You know what I'm saying?
25:31
That don't work like that. You're working your way up to do
25:33
things. You're using your own money,
25:35
your own car, you're doing your own thing.
25:37
They'll just tell you to go get this done and they're happy that
25:39
you did it. And the only they do, they brag
25:40
about you. They need to brag about me to
25:42
the soldier clubs. We got the next lunatic coming
25:44
up right. Right.
25:45
That's I want the more than the money.
25:47
Yeah, you understand? I wanted that more than the
25:49
money. I.
25:50
Mean it was the whole. Thing the Consiglia is talking
25:52
about me. Are you kidding me?
25:53
These guys are fucking mother. Do you still want me in social
25:55
clubs? My chest is like this you.
25:57
Know I'm saying so you're like. Yeah, yeah.
26:00
This is like, yes, huge speech. Absolutely.
26:03
That was more to me than money because you were chasing that
26:06
life so much in our neighborhood that when you became a make
26:09
Alec, they would say it was the best thing in the world.
26:11
Everyone would say go when you're getting done.
26:12
When you're getting done, they come, wait.
26:14
All the young kids wanted to come with me, you know?
26:16
Speaking of growing up and being part of the mafia growing up,
26:20
did you ever watch Big Fellas or Casino Bronx?
26:24
Tale Bronx tale was no good. It wasn't a real like it was
26:26
slowly, but fiction her fellas is the most real estate accurate
26:30
one because it's directly our neighborhood.
26:32
It's directly house friends and I know all their sons.
26:35
Anthony Stabile, his son's, he's dead now.
26:37
He's tough, motherfucker. His father was in Anthony
26:39
Stabile. Tommy D Small's whole family.
26:41
My grandmother used to hang out with Nicole Cabana, My
26:43
grandfather. He's tall and skinny, you know
26:45
what I'm saying? It's like, yeah, my grandfather
26:47
used to go on. My grandfather got called for
26:49
hijacking in 1969 with all the Goodfellas.
26:52
And I know one story he's do bank robbers them my grandfather
26:55
only need a driver. So they would call my
26:58
grandfather and my grandfather would go, well, who's going?
27:01
Tommy D and Anthony Spiel not going hang up the phone.
27:04
They going like this. OK, I'm not gonna.
27:06
I'm trying to rob money. You want to kill people, you
27:07
know what I'm saying? Because I'm not going.
27:09
So my grandfather's partner was Tommy Wheels.
27:11
He actually got paralyzed from a helicopter on one of the scores.
27:13
And my grandfather didn't go in that because the lunatics were
27:15
calling. So he might have got killed in
27:17
that job, but yeah, he was a driver for like, you know,
27:20
hijacking bank robberies. And whenever Tommy D and Anthony
27:23
Stabile go, he would say I'm not going, I'm not doing it.
27:25
I'm not going to catch Meritus. Yeah.
27:27
So, you know, that was directed like it says, that's all.
27:30
Like we're like, we all know each other.
27:33
That whole movie was so accurate.
27:34
It was so real. Yeah, what about The Sopranos?
27:36
Because like, we're all the same age, right?
27:38
So like, you're in that life already.
27:40
Sopranos is out. You're just sitting down like.
27:43
This is fucking bullshit. Yeah, like the suit thing.
27:45
So nobody wears suits, You know, that's the 60s.
27:48
You know, these guys are all Tony Sopranos.
27:49
What, going on in a button up in dress pants and shoes?
27:52
That's not real, you know what I'm saying?
27:53
These guys don't dress. That's like old times like
27:54
Vinny. So that's all they know is press
27:56
clothes and slacks. You know what I'm saying,
27:58
anyone? If you're born in the 70s and
27:59
not, you're not wearing no suit. You're a trash suit.
28:01
Yeah, attraction. These guys, the John Junior, you
28:03
call it the John Junior. He started that track shit and
28:06
Howard beats the Felix did. You like the show?
28:08
Were you like? No.
28:09
Oh, you didn't even like, no, I've coming from our view.
28:12
We just look at it like, you know, bullshit, bullshit.
28:15
All he known is actually a real guy.
28:16
He's actually really, it's a a mullshot from Brooklyn.
28:19
Oh, no shit. Tony Juice.
28:21
Yeah, he's a real guy. That was funny.
28:23
He was on that show. He was actually a real guy.
28:25
Spin enough and you said, well, sharking, right, you know,
28:28
you're going with so a lot of people don't know how that
28:30
works, right? You know, like can you just
28:32
explain it to people who are listening?
28:35
You'll never know. Like how do you breathe?
28:37
Balance the money type? Thing so so if you're in the
28:39
crew, right so it works like this Ronnie G was the crew
28:42
leader at one time. So what he would do is he would
28:45
give all his guys that were with him on record with him.
28:47
It's his guys, not other guys that want it because you have
28:50
other guys that say Ronnie, I got business opportunity give me
28:52
this much money and I'll put it out oh God, give me two points
28:55
on it. That's $20 and every thousand.
28:57
What else? We got it for one point.
28:59
So we took out 100K. We pay 1000 a week on it.
29:01
We're putting out for three points, right?
29:03
So we're making more money than he is on it.
29:04
But he's got $3,000,000 in the street.
29:07
So it's a little, you know, so he has all these bunch of guys
29:10
that he's putting out. One guy might have 300,000 out
29:13
in, he's giving him 6000 weeks just off that.
29:16
That's consistent every week that don't come off the top
29:18
until you get back to 300 K. You give him 6000 rest of your
29:21
life. And The thing is, he's not going
29:23
out there to get it. He's the he's the loan sharks
29:25
loan shark. Yes.
29:25
So you have loan sharks that come to him to get it at a lower
29:27
rate and then they'll put it out to make money on it.
29:29
It's all just a Ponzi scheme on them.
29:31
Yeah, yeah, it's just this guy, you know, and like he says, he
29:34
always going to get paid. He's always going to get his
29:36
money one way another. He's always going to get it.
29:38
I mean, I had people mortgage their houses because like James
29:41
Jordan, I never forget this story.
29:42
He was took out a sports bet and sheet with us and he's a Jared
29:46
gambler. It was him on all the accounts
29:48
he lost like $160,000, right. I mean, she literally went to
29:51
his family and says you're going to pay me my money, figure out
29:53
how well I'm going to get it from your son.
29:56
In other words, in blood. And they removed their house bro
29:59
and paid him his money. Yeah, so I've seen all kinds of
30:02
shit. You know, they'll, they'll make
30:04
you sell your home, they'll take your stuff.
30:05
I've seen you go. I've done it all with them.
30:07
So I get 13 years total. So I've been on probation jail.
30:11
So I'm 18 now. I'm 39 now.
30:12
I just got off the first time in my life, September 20th, 21
30:15
years. I get in the system total with
30:17
probation, parole and jail. When I first hit jail, I was an
30:20
adolescent, right? He's out.
30:22
And that's like the worst experience you can have for your
30:24
first time in jail. It's like walking to Afghanistan
30:27
with a check now. You knew about that walking in
30:29
it's. Horrible.
30:30
I got my T shipped in the act like I was always in a war zone,
30:32
bro. It's like something you see,
30:34
it's just horrible. And then you know, I was
30:36
remanded. I had no bail at A1 felony
30:38
killer cocaine accessory. So I was, I knew I had to stay
30:40
in there and he just, I just got used to it, bro.
30:43
Yeah. Were you not scared?
30:44
Yeah. No, I was never seen that well.
30:46
Gang memories. Exactly.
30:47
So what do you So what do you do?
30:48
Like your 18 year young dude, your boys aren't with you,
30:51
they're not going in with you, right?
30:53
So say take us through there. You walk through the gates so.
30:56
You gotta adapt and, and at that time, never.
30:58
My neighborhood's all Italian, Irish, Jewish, German, there's
31:01
no Spanish and blacks. And so this is the first time
31:03
for me interacting with them even, right, because in my
31:05
neighborhood they don't come over there really.
31:07
It's we didn't interact with each other really.
31:09
So now I'm in the Rikers Island in these places.
31:11
And actually I got along with him.
31:12
Great. Yeah.
31:13
At first. No.
31:14
Yeah. Well, they're trying to extort
31:15
you. They're trying to take your pin
31:16
number. I wasn't with nothing.
31:17
So I was getting jumped and shit and fighting.
31:19
And they're like, no, the kids not punk, you know, I mean,
31:21
because all the white kids are washing clothes.
31:23
I'm like, well, you got to kill me, bro.
31:24
Yeah, I washed those underwear. You got to scare me, bro.
31:26
I don't care. She goes back to Hollow Beach.
31:28
I'll be washing clothes like I'm done.
31:30
I've also just moved, you know what I'm saying?
31:32
I'm like, you just kill me. I didn't do it that.
31:34
When you first get in like when was your first fight are.
31:36
You fighting like 2 days later they're trying to get my pin
31:38
number. I wouldn't give it to them.
31:40
They take your pin number. Use your phone.
31:41
Yeah, right away, right away. I got punched in the face
31:43
washing my face in the bathroom. OK, while washing my face in the
31:46
bathroom, he punched me in the Max.
31:47
I want to give it to me actually tip my tooth action then yeah, I
31:50
always get it fixed to this deck.
31:51
When do you do you get up and start?
31:52
Playing. Yeah, I was fighting back.
31:53
Yeah. You know, I lost a lot of fights
31:55
in prison. I said that in one interview.
31:56
Like I'm not Bruce Lee, anyone's I'm seeing all in jail.
31:59
I come out, bro. Yeah.
32:00
You got some of these kids that freaks in nature, bro, like man
32:03
child, you know, I mean, so it's like, you know, I lost a lot of
32:06
fights in prison. Especially when you're standing
32:08
on your own. But let me correct that.
32:10
My last time in jail, I was stabbed getting people because I
32:12
was facing life. So at this point I was even
32:14
saying you try something to me, I'm fucking killing you.
32:16
I'm look, I didn't cooperate to two years in.
32:19
So I was in like high classification Rikers Island at
32:21
Federal Florida. I had like my lights were out
32:25
and I said at this point, like I was carrying like knives.
32:27
Like you bother me. I'm in like the worst mood.
32:29
I lost everything. My own cousin put me in jail.
32:32
Don't bother me. I'm going to try to take you
32:34
ahead. Yeah.
32:35
Were you doing a lot of time to hold on?
32:37
Oh yeah, I lived in the hall. How do you get the negative
32:41
thoughts out of your head when you're stuck in a situation like
32:43
that? How do you maintain in in an
32:45
isolated position like the hole or just in jail?
32:47
Like you have to change your mentality.
32:49
And then you also have to realize that there's nothing you
32:52
can do about it. There's no way out of that even
32:54
like it don't matter. You're pin the hole.
32:55
You're not. You could scream on the gate all
32:57
you want. You're not leaving that cell.
32:59
You can say you're having a heart attack.
33:00
You do whatever you want. All right, we'll get to it.
33:02
They don't care. That's it.
33:04
You belong to them. You got to.
33:06
And actually, my grandfather will tell me is because he my
33:08
own family time. He says you just have to accept
33:10
it. You're not going nowhere, right?
33:12
You're in there, That's it. You face it.
33:14
You know what I'm saying? You can't go the way you can.
33:16
Scream, cry, whatever you want to do.
33:17
You're not, you're sitting in that cell, bro.
33:18
You put, you know, you're not going the way.
33:20
That's it. So I just, I just accepted it.
33:22
Yeah, a lot of people, they have the hardest time just control
33:25
living with their own mind. Make a routine in there.
33:27
Yeah. And it helps you to the day.
33:28
I know I woke up this time. I'll do this.
33:30
I'll do that work out at that time.
33:32
So you don't want to break your routine.
33:33
It gives you you look forward to eat it this time, so you break
33:36
down your little schedule and then it makes the day go.
33:38
Now, as far as like working outdoors, you know, in prison,
33:41
out of prison and even like life now, like for me, I get it just
33:44
as fussy, right, Right. Someone Hawks at me.
33:46
I work out. I'm like that.
33:47
I feel a lot better. Is that kind of like how it
33:49
works out? Well, you not work out just to
33:51
love it. Yeah, you know I love working
33:53
out. I never stopped.
33:54
I I've been working out 15 years straight after I stopped.
33:56
Even when I go to the whole, I'm working out in the whole, which
33:58
you don't gain nothing, you lose because you don't eat 3 meals a
34:00
day, right? Nothing.
34:02
What are you doing? Exercise.
34:03
Why is? It you could do just pushups,
34:05
abs. That's why I was doing pushups,
34:07
abs, squats, anything you do just to work out of your body.
34:09
You can't do pull ups in the hole.
34:10
Obviously I try to create some. That didn't work.
34:13
You can't. I tried every invention, it
34:14
didn't work. How long did it take you to get
34:17
their respect from the game? Right.
34:19
So you go in there on your own. They know that.
34:22
Look, this guy's a mob. No, they don't.
34:24
Not the first time. They knew the second or third
34:26
time because of the. Newspapers.
34:27
OK, so then you got some. That I was good the first time.
34:29
They knew nothing. I wasn't really a mob.
34:30
I was just starting out. You know what I'm saying?
34:32
Like I wasn't really anybody. That'll be a lie to say that I
34:35
was on with people, but I wasn't known like that yet.
34:38
When I was 20 to 22 years old is when I made my real name for
34:41
myself. OK, That was like a girl's
34:43
living in the Wall West. Oh, sure, Yeah, My grandfather
34:46
goes. You must have a permit.
34:47
You carry a gun every day. You know what I'm saying?
34:48
This guy, you know, I was pistol on the every day.
34:50
Gun that you like? Yeah, I love the three 80s
34:53
brightest. Why is that?
34:54
I don't know. I just love them.
34:56
Yeah. Awesome gun light, seven shots.
34:58
There's. You could carry it everywhere,
34:59
you know. With the stuff that you carried
35:01
in a car, right? Oh, that would carry big shit.
35:02
Yeah. Hidden compartments.
35:04
No. Wearing the seat.
35:05
Yeah. Yeah, I was wearing the seat.
35:06
Howard Beach is not like you're in the hood.
35:08
It's a rich neighborhood. It's just a corrupt
35:09
neighborhood. So when you get pulled over
35:11
there and go searching it now, if I'm in the Bronx, you can't
35:14
have a gun, you see, 'cause they RIP you out the car every time,
35:16
correct? Scang them.
35:17
They, you know, they don't bother us like that.
35:19
You get pulled over out, you get going.
35:20
They're sleeping half the time. They might be cops outreach.
35:22
Now, how did this work going back to that type of thing, You
35:25
know, like you guys are sitting on something, you're going to do
35:27
a lick. You guys have scanners like oh.
35:29
Everything. I was a pro at that shit.
35:30
Yeah. Scanners.
35:31
I had crash cars. I had everything.
35:33
This case, the cops chase just have so many questions.
35:35
You by accident. I had all kinds of shit set up.
35:37
Yeah. I went from the best.
35:38
Then you told me everything. Yeah.
35:39
Crash scanners, crash cars, all kinds of shit.
35:42
Another car to take the stop. You transfer.
35:43
Go over there. I had the whole thing planned
35:45
out when you were hitting real scores, you know, because we
35:47
were hitting drug dealers and we're on hitting little time
35:49
drug dealers. We're hitting guys, you know,
35:50
300,000 now. Jewelry, drugs.
35:53
One hand or the other, you know you're having that fast life
35:57
right and high, though you keep chasing that high like you know
35:59
the adrenaline. Well, and the reputation you
36:01
start building and that's better than anything anybody says.
36:05
When you gain the reputation that I had at one point, it's
36:08
better than being a millionaire really.
36:10
People just do anything you want for you.
36:12
I could just, I used to call guys like drug dealers.
36:14
It'd be so funny. And I'd be like, what's going
36:17
on? Like, Oh my God, I'm going to
36:18
meet you. Why?
36:19
What do you got? Give it because I'm not doing
36:21
good money right now. And Roxies, give that to me.
36:23
You said you could sell. Come on, give it to me.
36:26
You want to bet? You want me to ban you?
36:28
I'll just go and make 36 grand, 7 grand because I need the
36:31
money. So.
36:33
Yeah, just do whatever you want. But like I but like I said, I
36:37
got away with that when Ronnie was in jail because then he kept
36:40
on getting word and he kept saying you gotta stop now, You
36:43
know what I'm saying? Everybody's complaining about
36:44
you. So I had to call my brakes and
36:46
there was some names that I wasn't in.
36:47
Now they said you can have a serious problem.
36:49
Yeah, Bonnie had my near in his mouth.
36:51
Yeah. He's the boss of the Genovese
36:52
family. This guy's like a legend.
36:54
Yeah. And he called me a walking time
36:55
bomb. And everyone's like, you better
36:56
stop now. You're gonna end up missing.
36:58
How do you combat that? Like, how do you, how do you
37:00
chill out when you're in that life?
37:02
Everybody just kept saying just, you know, all my people have
37:04
just calmed down, you know what I'm saying?
37:05
Cuz you know, that's it. Just relax, you're making money,
37:07
you know, just chill. I actually am, just I can't sit
37:10
still. I'm ADD, ADHD.
37:12
I'm by Paula somewhat. I'm a hot head, you know,
37:14
everyone knows that, you know, I fly off the handle, so it's easy
37:18
for me to get into a fight. I didn't need them all behind me
37:20
to be a nut. I'd be on the road with you
37:22
somewhere in the Bronx. You cut me off.
37:23
I'm rolling with you over the hood.
37:24
That's just the way I was. You know what I'm saying?
37:26
So I was a perfect fit for these people.
37:29
Like this is perfect. This guy loves doing the shit.
37:31
But then I got too out of hand, like I said, started breaking
37:33
rules. So like in the 80s, I always say
37:35
to be real, they would have killed me.
37:37
They would have to. I'm disrespecting made guys.
37:40
Yeah, I'm calling them clowns. Rent the bottoms.
37:42
That's bad. You got to get dealt with.
37:43
You know what I'm saying? In the 80s and 90s, that was a
37:45
dime a dozen. In the 70s, you know, But my
37:47
area there wasn't too. The mob was kind of like getting
37:49
like buying out with the Cowboys.
37:51
I was like a cowboy, you know what I'm saying?
37:52
Like Tommy DS, like those guys. I was rolling around like, and
37:55
you don't want to be those guys because they get killed.
37:58
What about Joey Gal? Is that a good comparison?
38:00
You're well, I wasn't that crazy, but yeah, yeah, like that
38:03
kind. Of mentality.
38:04
I was fearless. Right.
38:05
Like get out there I want. But it says, you know, you beef
38:09
with the wrong guys and they'll try to kill you.
38:10
And they tried to kill me a few times.
38:12
You know, I got my brakes pumped a few times.
38:15
Oh, they tried to kill me in front of my house a few times.
38:17
I had a few close balls. Are you having a hard time
38:18
sleeping at night? Are you?
38:20
Are you worried? Think about how I felt.
38:21
My friend got shot through the neck and they tried to kill me.
38:24
Innocent kid works three jobs. He was found dead twice.
38:27
It went back they said he was like a miracle how he lived.
38:31
They missed everything this shit by this much.
38:32
His boys box. Everything next swelled up this
38:35
big. But he was supposed to be dead.
38:36
They don't even know how he lived.
38:38
Who was that that was coming? Well, I had to be for this kid,
38:41
Phil Galena, and he had put money on me because I shot his
38:44
house. It was a whole war and basically
38:46
he put 10,000 on my head. Albanians.
38:49
So that was a hit team. Yeah, well, they, we didn't even
38:52
know they were in the club or watching this the whole time.
38:54
And we left and they, they had the whole thing planned.
38:56
Yeah. And they didn't get the target.
38:58
They got, you know, they got my industry friend.
38:59
How do you get back at them for this?
39:02
I went after Phil Galena. I we actually made ourselves
39:04
house. Hopefully.
39:04
I may have to leave. Howard Leach.
39:05
OK. Yeah.
39:06
We shot his house three times. What me is we terrorized him.
39:08
Blow up all his cars. He was went to Italy for a
39:10
little while. No shit.
39:11
Oh yeah. Everyone knew that story.
39:12
We went after him hard. Ronnie G said I don't care how
39:14
you have to get him. Get him.
39:16
Yeah. He wants to do gang member
39:17
moves. We're gonna do gang member
39:19
moves. Go terrorize him.
39:21
And. And are you?
39:22
Living every day like to last. No, no, it wasn't that chaotic
39:26
every day, I'm saying. But like, you know, I knew at
39:29
any point I was doing, you see, when you're robbing drug deals,
39:31
they can retaliate and sneak you too.
39:33
I pay someone to kill, you know, I'm saying.
39:34
So I was very aware. Like when I went in my house, I
39:36
would circle. I had cameras everywhere.
39:38
I had a social called my own, you know, I'm saying.
39:41
So I knew they would hit me over there because I was Vinny's club
39:43
basically. But I was mine as Vinny and
39:44
Bonnie. So I didn't think they'd be that
39:45
ballsy to do something that shit at my house.
39:48
So it's very weird. We circled twice.
39:50
If a call came with me, I would make a right.
39:53
And if you made a right, me and I made a right.
39:54
I'm pulling over. And I wonder why you're not
39:56
making rights to me. And I'll get the call and
39:57
staying like this. Yeah.
39:59
Because I wonder why you keep following me.
40:00
Stuck in paranoid. You know what I'm saying?
40:02
And you're. Always on.
40:03
Point, always on point. I see everything, but when I'm
40:05
not watching, I'm watching. They're like, how the fuck do
40:07
you see that? No, I'm watching everything.
40:09
You know, I'm saying I don't like when people walk with their
40:10
hands in their jacket. I don't like people walk with
40:12
their hands behind their back. I still don't like it to this
40:14
deck. No shit.
40:15
Yeah. Signs for me.
40:16
OK, you. Know what I'm saying?
40:17
So. You read people a whole
40:19
different way than just the average jaw on this one, yeah.
40:22
Yeah, absolutely. You're so you're in that life
40:24
for so long, it kind of molds right to this soldier.
40:28
Absolutely. You know, I started so young,
40:30
you know, I dropped out of school at 9th grade.
40:31
Oh shit. You know, so you know.
40:33
I'm sure like right off the bat then you know, you bet us and
40:36
right away like Terminator, I should bring myself and down
40:38
there. Absolutely.
40:40
You know, clothes we wear, Yeah, we'll smile on your face the
40:43
whole time and really just take it on like, you know, like
40:46
examine. You know what I'm saying?
40:48
You know what I'm saying? That's how I know we're doing
40:50
that so many times with people. Do they?
40:51
Train you well, they school you with things for saying how to
40:54
like sit downs, like you guys get trained for sit downs.
40:56
Because you know, if you I was proposing like 27 years old.
40:59
So I was going to become a number I got I got pretty much
41:02
knocked down because of all the shit I was doing, you know, and
41:06
a list was going around. And the first time that they
41:09
were going to put me in is that I had beat up a skipper's nephew
41:13
in his house for his bubble. And they'll put Conrad.
41:16
He's a big captain for Joey's family.
41:17
And that's what Bonnie wanted my head on the stick.
41:19
So if any said it's not a good time to put you in right now
41:21
because he's going to try to block it.
41:22
OK. And they waited and then Ronnie
41:24
and then Ronnie says, well, I want to be there anyway.
41:26
And then Ronnie, we all got locked up and that was it.
41:29
But I was going. Now at 28 years old, everyone
41:31
knows that. It really knows, you know what I
41:33
mean? I was calling him young, but
41:34
they were also nervous to give me the power.
41:36
That was a wide attack. Why is that?
41:38
Ronnie's sitting on a wide attack that he's nervous to give
41:39
me the. Power just because you.
41:41
It's chaotic, bro. I was always, you know, it was a
41:43
drama. I was always shit.
41:45
I'm representing a family now. You're over there fucking
41:48
wrecking things, you know? They don't like that the whole
41:50
time, you know? Was there ever like a long term
41:52
plan in that? Life, yeah.
41:53
So I was so close to Ronnie that I was basically doing everything
41:56
for him. He wouldn't speak to nobody.
41:57
So when he became a skipper, I was basically, he's right at
42:00
man. I was basically me, everybody.
42:02
I was basically straight. I was going to send messages.
42:04
He was proving me to talk to you guys.
42:05
I'm not supposed to. So I was doing everything for
42:09
him. I was just basically becoming
42:10
him. Yeah, as he gets older and does
42:13
this, I'm just taking his spot, that's all it was, right?
42:15
That's it. So you just like the next.
42:17
Generation, that's it. Next generation people on just
42:20
take his spot and you know so about money, keep making money.
42:22
And that was the dream. Yeah, yeah.
42:25
So at what point are you like I'm done with this?
42:28
So when you see the other side of them, how greedy they are,
42:32
that's the bad part because I'm not a greedy person.
42:33
Ronnie was extremely greedy, and I'm not talking bad about him
42:36
because Ronnie was a gangster, but very greedy.
42:39
And I'm agreed to the point where if you order them 50,285
42:43
cents and you didn't give them the $0.85, he'd be like, well,
42:46
where's the $0.85? That's how bad he was.
42:48
You know what I'm saying? Yeah, so and that's where he had
42:50
millions of dollars. His net worth was like
42:52
35,000,001. Time guy came reader, right?
42:55
Want to read? Right.
42:56
Making 400,000 a. Month.
42:57
How do you like present that to the government?
43:00
Like society? Like how?
43:01
Where's the money? Going well, we knew when he
43:04
built that house, we're all going to jail.
43:05
But you can't tell him nothing. If you've ever seen his house on
43:07
Google, it's 8000 square foot home.
43:10
Yeah, it's worth 3.2 million. He's showing 37,000 a year in
43:13
the books. His door cost $37.
43:16
That's it. Is it?
43:17
Does he not know like something I don't know?
43:19
What he thought was going to happen, they were literally, I
43:21
mean, when I did cooperate up there I go, what did he really
43:23
think we were going to do? Let him keep that house?
43:25
Like I mean, it's but the guy don't show no income, nothing.
43:28
He has a mega mansion on the corner, a $3.2 million home.
43:32
Everything's getting imported from Italy.
43:33
His roof was 170,000 alone. This is roof.
43:36
His bricks were probably $200,000, just the bricks.
43:39
So he was out of control with that house and you know, that
43:41
was downfall. Fast forward into, you know your
43:44
laptop looking at all this. Time, right?
43:46
It took me two years. I wouldn't go back.
43:47
One thing about me, I don't bullshit.
43:49
I was trying to take 20 years. Anything over 20, I was
43:52
skeptical. I'll be 100, you guys.
43:53
I try to take 20 years for everything.
43:55
I told my lawyers. Get me 20 everything I take 20.
43:57
I'm happy with that at the moment. 46 years old.
43:59
It was 35 when there 35 years on care player.
44:02
They had too much going on. That's a lot of time.
44:05
And so it's over. And this guy when you pay my
44:06
attorney. And that's about time.
44:08
I had it all over. I was ping pong, state federal
44:10
flaw. I was gonna get ping pong.
44:12
So and if you blow a child, see if you guys understand
44:15
racketeering, that's live. So if you blow, even if you
44:17
shoot a guy in the foot and you blow trial for that, you get
44:19
like in the state, you get 5 years in the feds, you're
44:21
shooting somebody for organization to up your
44:23
position. That's like a 10 to life
44:25
guideline, right? You get natural life for that.
44:27
You blow trial for that. You don't have to kill a guy.
44:29
So the feds have these grimy guidelines.
44:30
So I'm not copping now 35. I said you got to give that to
44:33
me. I'm not taking that.
44:34
I would have got an actual life over the trial.
44:36
So, you know, then I actually paid my attorney.
44:38
Federal boys want $300,000. They're not like state
44:40
attorneys. We give them 10 grand.
44:41
These guys want 300,000 for an organized crime case because
44:44
they're so high profile, they know they're going to get it.
44:46
Come on, I have that kind of money now.
44:47
I told Ronnie, you're a millionaire.
44:48
Just paid a life me. Give me a final chance.
44:50
Oh, when it goes federal, I will.
44:51
He was Carrot. He was dragging me and then they
44:54
came to see me, the agents finally, and that's when I gave
44:56
in. My little brother too.
44:57
I saved my little brother. He got a pistol charge.
45:00
We got them out of. That I got.
45:01
I said you don't drop the gun, I don't talk.
45:03
So I got him out of seven years. I sent them somewhere to do
45:06
something and he had a fucking gun.
45:08
And then he got busted because they were watching me.
45:10
I felt horrible. He was out at $200,000 bail.
45:13
He looked up to me. I felt horrible.
45:14
I said no, I'm gonna get you out.
45:15
It's I got him. I didn't do a day in jail.
45:17
I took it basically. So you know there's a situation,
45:21
you know is there? Any regrets with the ass like?
45:26
I heard a lot of people, you know, I feel bad for something.
45:28
I'd be the friends, you know, people that had to get dealt
45:30
with. I turned on a lot of people for
45:31
that, those people. But everybody kind of knows the
45:34
rules that. Well, signing up for, right?
45:36
Well, but we were taught this like if you're a civilian, you
45:39
go borrow money from when thanks.
45:42
It's sports for the casino. When you start borrowing money
45:44
off us and doing squatters, what are you now?
45:46
You're in our world, you're not a civilian.
45:48
So that's how I was taught by these people, right?
45:52
Yeah. This civilians until they come
45:53
into our world. Not civilian more.
45:54
Go want money? Go for our bank then, right?
45:56
Why coming us? You gotta deal without
45:57
consequence now. You don't pay for the fucking
45:59
hurt you right? Not gonna seize it.
46:00
We're gonna hurt you. So that was the difference that
46:02
I was taught? No.
46:03
This podcast money, loyalty and legacy, right so so for the kids
46:08
out there, people that want to glamorize the mob because they
46:12
see casino too many times and they want to do that right in
46:15
the in the end, it's not worth. The error now, they would never
46:18
have to worry about things that I did because the mafia is
46:20
washed up right now. But when I was coming up and
46:22
they put the gun in the hand and say, go shoot your friend,
46:24
right? See if they want to do that
46:25
right, Because I did it right. It's pretty.
46:28
Yeah. Trust him.
46:28
He met me. I clap him, right?
46:29
You know what I'm saying? That's, you know, that's the
46:31
world you're going to live in. That's my best.
46:32
My good friend Tyler Barker, this guy was a harmless guy,
46:36
nonviolent, not not a tough guy. Comes out, he killed his best
46:41
friend for the life. This guy.
46:42
Now we didn't think he ever had a fight.
46:45
And when the when he kept kept looking at me and I'm going, oh,
46:47
you're just going to get gambling, Todd, Don't worry
46:48
about it. He looked at me.
46:49
He goes, yeah, just gambling news, murder.
46:52
So you never know, Like, you know, back then it was just they
46:55
put that in a situation people nowadays, these kids can't
46:57
understand. You're lucky that era.
46:59
But now you're not gonna really do murder, no more violence, the
47:02
mafia. But in my era, you got put to
47:04
the test. Right.
47:05
I hurt your own friends, right? Now when you were like, okay,
47:08
I'm done. I closed this chapter in my life
47:10
like, was it a hard transition to be like?
47:13
Yeah, yeah, it's the money. The money.
47:15
So you go from that's great money to, you know, regular
47:18
money sucks, you know, making big money, you know what I'm
47:22
saying? It's, you know, it's a lot of
47:23
different. I'm going from driving the
47:24
nicest cars. So, you know, you can't have
47:26
that no more, you know what I'm saying?
47:27
You know? So what's the next chapter for
47:29
Gene Barrella? You got the book here.
47:31
But which, by the way, I will both blow smoke because that
47:33
thing is king. Awesome.
47:35
Anybody that reads that, I'm telling you right now that I'm
47:37
not just because Gene's here. We both talked about it.
47:39
I sent Ross it. Yeah.
47:42
Non-stop action from beginning to.
47:44
End. And that's like a small version
47:46
of what I, I, I mean, I couldn't make about 600 pages of all my
47:49
stuff, but there's so much more. I, you know, like the screenplay
47:52
would be great like you. Know absolutely absolutely
47:54
absolutely I mean and The thing is this is real life we really
47:58
live this shit this is not some. Fictional bullshit.
48:01
Most of my friends are dead. Life in prison.
48:02
You know, I still was in that cowboy era, Leslie Mohegan says.
48:05
They call me no. Shit.
48:06
Yeah. See, that's the treachery that
48:08
comes with the life, you know? So at the end of the day, it's
48:10
not worth it. That's not what I mean.
48:11
Like no, no. You only live once you don't
48:14
realize that. So like, you know, you live in
48:16
this crazy life and then you see all your friends gone life
48:19
prison, they lose everything. They it's so funny.
48:21
Like you could be the most respected guy.
48:23
You get like 30 years, 40 years. You're away for two years.
48:26
No one sends you no more forgets about you like kids.
48:28
He's gone for 30 years. What you going to do right?
48:30
It all becomes. There's zero.
48:32
Loyalty again, it's all, it's all good as your last dollar.
48:35
You know what you could do for them.
48:36
I started learning that, you know, as you get older, you see
48:39
it. You know what I mean, right?
48:40
What's the future? Basically, I'm trying to get
48:41
into anything in social media. I'm trying to, you know, make my
48:44
book a success, make it into ATV show or anything.
48:47
I feel like they have these shows and these crappy stuff.
48:50
Why not use something like this where I could bring into so much
48:53
stuff in my neighborhood. It's not even just about my
48:55
book. I could add in so much stuff
48:57
that we will all combine with each other, right?
48:59
It would be a hit show. I know it would be.
49:00
You know, nobody really knows about the modern day, right?
49:03
Only about the 70's, the 80's, the Gotti's, all that shit's
49:06
played out. This shit's all new.
49:08
This is what we were doing. The same shit, almost.
49:10
And for those that are watching it, this is the first time
49:12
you've seen Gene. There's no other Young X models
49:14
out there, you know what I mean? Like that's that.
49:16
That's what was intriguing to us about him, right?
49:19
We're all 80s babies. Right, you know what I mean.
49:21
Don't have that. From there, there's nobody else.
49:23
No one not operating like I was at least.
49:25
No, it's a fresh perspective. Yeah, it's a modern twist.
49:29
Obviously the mafia has been around for decades and decades.
49:32
You know what I mean? Yeah, this is like a fresh.
49:34
Outlook. Yes, new Vantage point.
49:36
So the book is out now. Where can people get to that?
49:39
Amazon. Amazon is the best seller.
49:41
On the best selling Amazon, yeah.
49:43
And any other outlets we're. On my Instagram you can contact
49:46
me Gigarallo. And do you still do autograph?
49:48
Yeah, autograph copies of my Instagram.
49:50
Yeah, OK, You could DM me and, you know, send it to myself.
49:52
Are you gonna make a second book or what?
49:54
I don't know. I'm debating.
49:56
Yeah, if I could just get the movie or the TV show, it'd be
49:58
better. I can put everything.
49:59
We'll see what happens. So being a movie producer,
50:03
potential for you in the future, that's something that you'd be
50:05
into, yes. And what about acting yourself?
50:08
Yeah, I mean, you know, I mean, I have to play a bad guy.
50:10
How could? He symbol.
50:11
Could this guy be? It'd be symbol.
50:13
I mean, you know, act. I don't have to act on it.
50:16
Just put me in the fucking sit down.
50:19
I'll make these guys look silly. Just put me in the scenario and
50:22
I'll make it look so real for you guys.
50:23
I never. Describe that.
50:24
Yeah. Talk about a method actor, man.
50:26
Yeah. You wanna play?
50:27
You wanna, you wanna gangster somebody play monster.
50:29
Well, my favorite actor is Johnny Depp, and he's a method
50:31
actor. Yeah, that's my favorite.
50:33
I think he could play any role. To me, he's the best.
50:36
Maybe he'll be you. Oh man, he plays.
50:38
He did Whitey Bulger great. He looked just like all his
50:42
roles. He does John Dillinger.
50:44
You should have got an Oscar for that, bro.
50:45
He's so talented. He's awesome, bro.
50:46
That's my favorite actor, yes. Super talented.
50:48
Yeah. Alright, Gene, we won't keep you
50:50
around all day. We appreciate your time, Max.
50:53
Thank you. Awesome.
50:53
Yeah. Good times you.
50:55
Guys, check the book out, ladies and gentlemen, is fucking
50:58
amazing. Thank you, Barella.
50:59
Thank you, man. Thank you.
51:00
Bye.