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Credlin | 8 September · Credlin

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  Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
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  Speaker 2: on a very big show tonight on Kredline. Tonight's to
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  Speaker 2: a big business audience at Sydney. The Prime Minister look
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  Speaker 2: set to try and woo the top end of town
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  Speaker 2: with tax cuts as a way of buying their support
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  Speaker 2: for Labour's new emissions targets for twenty thirty five. So
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  Speaker 2: the question is will business toe the line as they've
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  Speaker 2: done in the past or actually speak up against some
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  Speaker 2: of the policies that are sending many of them to
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  Speaker 2: the wool. Another horror weekend in Melbourne, two young boys
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  Speaker 2: dead following a horrific machete attack in the suburbs. You
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  Speaker 2: know things are bad when senior detectives front the cameras
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  Speaker 2: and break ranks with the government, saying that the Victorian
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  Speaker 2: community has had enough. Former Detective Charlie Persina will join
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  Speaker 2: me here and discuss what must happen to fix the crisis.
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  Speaker 2: Last says we hit forty season, forty finals. At least
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  Speaker 2: you calls to limit the length of any of these
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Country ceremonies as a PM to copter frosty
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  Speaker 2: reception at an AFL match on the weekend, and it's
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  Speaker 2: one battle after another for the coalition, with senator just
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  Speaker 2: sent a nambajimpro Price pushing back on demands from some
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  Speaker 2: moderates within the party. She'll join me here tonight to set.
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  Speaker 3: The records straight.
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  Speaker 2: In direct response to these comments from Alex.
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  Speaker 4: Hauk, I didn't buried anybody and I have no I
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  Speaker 4: rang somebody at random and said can I speak to
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  Speaker 4: your boss? I think if an apology was offered early
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  Speaker 4: on and just a quick walk back, that would have helped.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go out of Canberra for tonight's political headlines with
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  Speaker 2: Skintese reporter Ruven.
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  Speaker 5: Spargo, Coalition colleagues are calling on to Center nampigympro Price
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  Speaker 5: to apologize to Indian migrants as the Opposition deals with
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  Speaker 5: the fallout of her comments. Last Wednesday, the Liberal senator
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  Speaker 5: appeared to suggest Labor was bringing people from India to
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  Speaker 5: Australia to secure Her remarks received backlash from the Indian
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  Speaker 5: Australian community.
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  Speaker 6: You make mistakes and politics all the time, and the
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  Speaker 6: best thing to do is apologize.
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  Speaker 1: Move on.
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  Speaker 5: Political editor Andrew Clenell first reported that Liberal MP Alex
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  Speaker 5: Hawke privately requested Miss Nampajimper Price distance herself from the comments.
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  Speaker 5: It triggered a fierce response from the Senator. She described
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  Speaker 5: mister Hawk's conduct as cowardly and inappropriate, and accused him
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  Speaker 5: of berating a staff member, a claim he denies.
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  Speaker 4: If an apology was offered early on and just a
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  Speaker 4: quick walkback, that would have helped, but there's still time.
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  Speaker 5: Miss namperjimper Price says her comments have been wrenched from context.
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  Speaker 5: Opposition leader Susan Lee is working to contain the damage,
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  Speaker 5: holding a private roundtable today with members of the Australian
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  Speaker 5: Indian community. The Prime Minister is preparing to visit the
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  Speaker 5: Solomon Islands this week for the region's most significant political meeting.
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  Speaker 5: The Pacific Islands Forum brings together leaders, diplomats and hundreds
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  Speaker 5: of officials. Climate change and regional security are expected to
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  Speaker 5: dominate discussions. On his way, Anthony ALBERNII will stop in
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  Speaker 5: Vanuatu tomorrow, where he's widely anticipated to sign a new
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  Speaker 5: pact between the two nations.
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  Speaker 2: All right joining me now, as he does every Monday.
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  Speaker 2: Scar's political contributor Chris Yelman Chris welcome, I had some
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  Speaker 2: remarks then just to really get into the grunt of
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  Speaker 2: the Prime Minister's speech. It was briefed out to the
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  Speaker 2: media this morning, and there was a particular focus, as
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  Speaker 2: I said, on the Prime Minister basically offering up on
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  Speaker 2: the table support for his carbon policies and the possibility
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  Speaker 2: only a possibility at this stage, that he might put
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  Speaker 2: business tax cuts on the table. What was interesting over
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  Speaker 2: the weekend the Business councilor it self released some modeling.
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  Speaker 2: They say that the cost of all these net zero
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  Speaker 2: policies from state and federal governments is somewhere between three
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  Speaker 2: hundred and five hundred and thirty billion dollars. Now, this
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  Speaker 2: is about the first time, isn't it the whole debate
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  Speaker 2: that we have seen some sort of a costing on
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  Speaker 2: climate costs. We haven't had that from Labor up until now.
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  Speaker 7: No, we've never had from Labor what a total system
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  Speaker 7: cost on its electricity system would be. And remember that's
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  Speaker 7: just a part of all of this, because we get
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  Speaker 7: caught up on the transition of the electricity system. But
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  Speaker 7: we're talking about changing all of our energy systems and
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  Speaker 7: that's a.
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  Speaker 1: Much bigger project.
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  Speaker 7: In the five hundred billion dollar figure that Business Council
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  Speaker 7: of Australia put on it at a seventy percent target
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  Speaker 7: by twenty thirty five, I think is a vast underestimate.
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  Speaker 7: I think you could easily double it. And why do
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  Speaker 7: I think that. We'll look at every single electricity project
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  Speaker 7: that we've done takes snowy Hydro two point zero is
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  Speaker 7: one of those things was going to cost two billion
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  Speaker 7: dollars and be delivered by twenty twenty one. As I
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  Speaker 7: first recalled the figures, Well it's gone up six times
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  Speaker 7: and it's nowhere near finished yet. So when we look
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  Speaker 7: at these kinds of projects, they are blowing out all
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  Speaker 7: over the place, and the Business Council Australia doesn't seem
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  Speaker 7: to understand that what it's signing up to is the
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  Speaker 7: de industrialization of Australia.
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  Speaker 2: You would think, given the big businesses around the table
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  Speaker 2: and how dependent they are on competitive energy and competitive
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  Speaker 2: labor markets, well they're not going to ever be able
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  Speaker 2: to compete in the labor markets with the likes of Vietnam,
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  Speaker 2: Thailand and in China. But we used to be able
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  Speaker 2: to be competitive in terms of energy. Are they going
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  Speaker 2: to find their voice given we're now in a phase
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  Speaker 2: as we get closer to the twenty thirty targets and
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  Speaker 2: obviously these new ones due for twenty thirty five, that.
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  Speaker 3: They are going to the wall.
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  Speaker 2: This is not just a esoteric fall luck tugging to
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  Speaker 2: the green gods the UN. This now has real impacts
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  Speaker 2: on businesses and jobs in Australia. Will they find their voice.
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  Speaker 7: No, Peter, I don't think they will find their voice.
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  Speaker 7: They will argue at the margins. But one of the
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  Speaker 7: problems that they have now is that they're investors, particularly
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  Speaker 7: large soup of funds attached to the union movement, are
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  Speaker 7: driving a lot of the desire for this. Now we
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  Speaker 7: set targets, but they're meaningless. We aren't going to hit
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  Speaker 7: our twenty thirty targets, let alone whatever targets they set
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  Speaker 7: for twenty thirty five, and nobody is going to hit
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  Speaker 7: net zero. Let me use an analogy, because these things
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  Speaker 7: get bewildering. Say in two thousand and five Australia is
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  Speaker 7: a little fat kid at one hundred kilos and the
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  Speaker 7: doctor said, you know what, by twenty thirty, I want
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  Speaker 7: you to be fifty seven kilos. That's a big ask.
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  Speaker 7: So after eighteen years of tried. We've lost fifteen kilos,
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  Speaker 7: less than a kilo a year. We now have to
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  Speaker 7: move at five kilos a year to hit the twenty
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  Speaker 7: thirty target, and by the way, keep that up for
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  Speaker 7: another five years. If we're going to hit the twenty
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  Speaker 7: thirty five target, that is simply not going to.
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  Speaker 1: Happen, Peter.
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  Speaker 3: So what do we do?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we go to elections and labor gets return
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  Speaker 2: and the numbers it did back in May. We've got businesses,
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  Speaker 2: as I say, feeling firsthand now the ramifications of these
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  Speaker 2: very very high policies, policies at the rest of the
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  Speaker 2: world are not adopting. If business won't speak up, if
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  Speaker 2: the voters keep voting for labor, it's almost inevitable that
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  Speaker 2: we will de industrialize ourselves.
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  Speaker 3: Chris. What's got to happen, Well.
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  Speaker 7: We're in the process of doing it now, Peter, and
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  Speaker 7: I think that there has to be catastrophe.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: What has to.
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  Speaker 7: Happen is that the system has to fall over and
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  Speaker 7: the price has to get so expensive that we lose
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  Speaker 7: an enormous amount of business, So enormous damage can be done.
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  Speaker 7: And I guess the problem in the end is that
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  Speaker 7: most people in cities do not have the foggiest idea
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  Speaker 7: whether it's sources of wealth, their sources of food, and
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  Speaker 7: their sources of power come from. They want to do
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  Speaker 7: something to make sure that the environment's protected. They are
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  Speaker 7: worried about climate change. And now we have a slogan
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  Speaker 7: that goes with that net zero. Now it's all been
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  Speaker 7: wrapped up into a package that if you believe in
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  Speaker 7: net zero, then you're doing something about the climate. But
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  Speaker 7: here is the rub and all of that sort of
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  Speaker 7: stuff too. We could erase all the emissions in Australia
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  Speaker 7: and have absolutely no effect on the climate.
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  Speaker 1: We are one.
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  Speaker 7: Percent of global emissions, but.
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  Speaker 1: The world isn't doing that zero Peter.
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  Speaker 7: Carbon emissions rise every single year. I mentioned this many times.
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  Speaker 7: We burn more oil, coal and gas last year than
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  Speaker 7: we've burned as a planet ever before in human history
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  Speaker 7: in a single year, and only bigger than the year
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  Speaker 7: before that. All we've done is changed where this stuff
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  Speaker 7: is getting burned, because you know what that energy is,
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  Speaker 7: what makes the world go round. It is embedded in
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  Speaker 7: everything that we do. So we can talk a good
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  Speaker 7: game on this stuff, actually delivering that's much harder.
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  Speaker 8: You know.
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  Speaker 2: One of the things I've always done as a campaigner
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  Speaker 2: is put myself in the shoes of the opponent, try
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  Speaker 2: to get my head around the opponent and understand the
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  Speaker 2: main game.
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  Speaker 3: Right and clearly for the hard.
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  Speaker 2: Left that the Marxist types, it's always been a long
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  Speaker 2: term objective to wipe out the middle class, to have
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  Speaker 2: everybody brought down to the same level where they can
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  Speaker 2: and it's dependent upon the state as possible energy sort
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  Speaker 2: of doing this for the left, I mean, this is
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  Speaker 2: the great level. It's a wiping out small business. It's
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  Speaker 2: got as all dependent mostly on union jobs in terms
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  Speaker 2: of job creation over the last couple of years. We're
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  Speaker 2: indoctrinated through the schools. You rightly make the point that
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  Speaker 2: our ASX two hundred companies are basically owned and sold
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  Speaker 2: by the big industry super funds pushing their particular climate Barrow.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't this Hasn't this, Chris, always been the plan?
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  Speaker 7: Well, Peter, you nail I think a little bit earlier
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  Speaker 7: when you said that we were a high labor cost
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  Speaker 7: economy during the twentieth century, but we were a low
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  Speaker 7: energy cost economy which which added up and I think
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  Speaker 7: it was a great thing that Australia is a high
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  Speaker 7: wage economy.
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  Speaker 1: It was a good decision by our country.
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  Speaker 7: Unfortunately, in twenty first century we cannot be a high
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  Speaker 7: labor cost and a high energy cost economy. That is
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  Speaker 7: simply not going to add up. There will be nothing
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  Speaker 7: made in Australia under that scenario, and we will be
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  Speaker 7: simply out competed by others, and will be out competed
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  Speaker 7: by others who have decided they're going to use the
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  Speaker 7: fossil fuel that they have, because that's what the United
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  Speaker 7: States of America is doing. Don't forget that, completely unplugged
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  Speaker 7: for this. China was never.
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  Speaker 1: On this track.
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  Speaker 7: They now burned fifty seven percent of the world's cold Sure,
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  Speaker 7: they make lots of solar panels, and they make lots
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  Speaker 7: of wind turbines which they sell to us, but when
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  Speaker 7: they come to running their own grid, sixty percent of
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  Speaker 7: that is cold powered. So you know, it's clear what
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  Speaker 7: decisions China's made. India is the same. We're going to
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  Speaker 7: see all of Africa has to come on board. So
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  Speaker 7: the world is going to use the resources it has.
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  Speaker 7: Australia's made the decision it will not use the resources
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  Speaker 7: that it has, which means that we'll pay a price
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  Speaker 7: for that. It's as simple as that. And I agree
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  Speaker 7: with you that some in this movement, not all. There
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  Speaker 7: are lots of really well intentioned people who believe they're
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  Speaker 7: doing something about the climate, but some in this movement
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  Speaker 7: absolutely hate the idea of their being cheap and abundant energy,
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  Speaker 7: because if they liked that idea, they'd be in favor
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  Speaker 7: of nuclear power.
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  Speaker 2: Well, just I've got to grab now from Dan Tea
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  Speaker 2: and who happens to me in the United States. And
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  Speaker 2: for all the talk that the coalition is reviewing everything
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  Speaker 2: and they will not give us in the media a
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  Speaker 2: position on net zero or twenty thirty or twenty thirty
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  Speaker 2: five targets, Dantean has had this to say about nuclear power.
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  Speaker 9: I want to visit a couple of the big national
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  Speaker 9: laboratories here in the US, Idaho and oak Ridge, and
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  Speaker 9: have a look at what's happening both with nuclear When
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  Speaker 9: it comes to SMRs in particular, there is no doubt
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  Speaker 9: that every major industrialized country apart from Australia, is either
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  Speaker 9: seriously considering nuclear or is adopting nuclear technology at pace.
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  Speaker 3: All Right, if they.
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  Speaker 2: Can take as the minister shadow minister an in principal
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  Speaker 2: position on nuclear then surely they can take an in
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  Speaker 2: principal position on net zero, because the longer they sit
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  Speaker 2: on the fans, the longer they do this piecemeal as
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  Speaker 2: it would appear there with those comments from Dante, and
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  Speaker 2: they go back to all the mistakes in the Peter
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  Speaker 2: Dutton era of not doing enough until they get to
• 12:01
  Speaker 2: the campaign and then trying to do too much in
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  Speaker 2: that six week period.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, Peter, look, and I like Dan, and I like
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  Speaker 7: a lot of people in the Coalition, and I think
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  Speaker 7: that they're well intentioned. They all have different ideas, but
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  Speaker 7: I wouldn't trust the Coalition to do up it's own
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  Speaker 7: shoelacers at the moment without dripping over. Quite frankly, it's
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  Speaker 7: a tiny fraction of the Parliament now, it still manages
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  Speaker 7: to make itself a news story. It should forget about
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  Speaker 7: talking about net zero and have one target. That target
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  Speaker 7: should be Chris Bowen. That's a pretty big target on
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  Speaker 7: quite frankly, that guy, every time he opens his mouth
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  Speaker 7: says something which is challengeable, and all around Australia there
• 12:37
  Speaker 7: are examples of where his programmer is going off the rails.
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  Speaker 7: All around Australia there are examples of higher costs, slower delivery,
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  Speaker 7: the fact that this system won't work, It will not
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  Speaker 7: function as an electricity grid. It will depower Australia. You
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  Speaker 7: could do one of those stories a day for the
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  Speaker 7: next couple of years and wonder about putting out your policy.
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  Speaker 7: Then I think that they just need to focus on
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  Speaker 7: the government and all talk of the same song sheet.
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  Speaker 7: Just give it a year, Just give it a year
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  Speaker 7: of making the government the target. Stop talking about yourselves.
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  Speaker 3: Words of wisdom there from Chris Yelman. I like that.
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  Speaker 2: Make Chris go on the target to see if anyone
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  Speaker 2: in the coalition's listening. Thanks Chris, now for the break.
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  Speaker 2: Yet another horror weekend for crime in Victoria. Two young
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  Speaker 2: boys killed brutally slaughtered in a machete attack. Last just
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  Speaker 2: Er Price, she'll join me here straight after the break
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  Speaker 2: to set the records straight with the moderates in her party.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back still to come, Senator just sent an amateur
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  Speaker 2: proprize will join me for her say. After a tumultuous
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  Speaker 2: a few days, but first mushroom murderer Aaron Patterson received
• 13:42
  Speaker 2: her sentence in Melbourne today. Our reporter Holly Stearns filed
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  Speaker 2: this report.
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  Speaker 10: Peter a history making moment as justice is served to
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  Speaker 10: the killer cook. Aaron Patterson has been sentenced to life
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  Speaker 10: behind bars with a non parole period of thirty three
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  Speaker 10: years minus the time that she's already served, meaning she'll
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  Speaker 10: be at least eighty years old before she gets a
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  Speaker 10: chance at freedom, and even then.
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  Speaker 3: It's not certain.
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  Speaker 10: Miss Patterson sat emotionless in the dock wearing a brown jumper.
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  Speaker 10: Justice bill summarizing her offending is the worst category of murder,
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  Speaker 10: carrying out an enormous betrayal of trust, deliberately poisoning good people,
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  Speaker 10: and then watching them suffer a cruel and slow death.
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  Speaker 10: Miss Patterson murdered her former in law's Don and Gail Patterson,
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  Speaker 10: Gail's sister Heather Wilkinson, and then tried to kill Heather's husband,
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  Speaker 10: Ian Wilkinson, after serving them a deadly beef Wellington dish
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  Speaker 10: laced with deathcap mushrooms. In twenty twenty three, Ian Wilkinson
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  Speaker 10: addressed media shortly after the sentencing, thanking those involved in
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  Speaker 10: the prosecution of the case and now asking for privacy.
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  Speaker 11: We're grateful for their skills that brought this truth to light,
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  Speaker 11: and I'm also very grateful for the kindness and compassion
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  Speaker 11: they showed us, me and my family throughout the long
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  Speaker 11: process that has brought us to this day.
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  Speaker 10: As for the mushroom killer, Aaron Patterson, she is back
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  Speaker 10: at her home the Dame Phyllis Frost Maximum Security Prison,
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  Speaker 10: isolated for twenty two hours a day for her own safety,
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  Speaker 10: allowed only to speak to one other inmate, a terrorist
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  Speaker 10: who's been known to attack. Miss Patterson has chosen to
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  Speaker 10: keep to herself. The murderer has always maintained her innocence,
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  Speaker 10: claiming that it was all just a tragic accident and Peter,
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  Speaker 10: this might not be the final stop. Miss Patterson's legal
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  Speaker 10: team has twenty eight days to lodge an appeal.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll watch that in the next three or four
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  Speaker 2: weeks as to whether there is an appeal, Thank you, Holly.
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  Speaker 3: I will turn to that in the moment.
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  Speaker 2: But I sadly want to go to some horrific incidents
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  Speaker 2: at a Curne in Melbourne over the weekend first, if
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  Speaker 2: I can. One man has died after what police believe
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  Speaker 2: was a targeted drive by shooting right near the very
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  Speaker 2: busy Queen Victoria market and out in the suburb. Moms
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  Speaker 2: and dads and kids and everyone leaves what is should
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  Speaker 2: be an Australian dream of a life. Two young boys
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  Speaker 2: were also killed in a brutal machete attack, with concerns
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  Speaker 2: today that it was a case of mistaken identity. Gentlemen,
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  Speaker 2: our former homicide detective Charlie Assina, you know you can
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  Speaker 2: be mistaken as a Melbournian.
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  Speaker 3: Do you almost get.
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  Speaker 2: Immune to the headlines we're seeing on the NEWSS every night?
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  Speaker 2: But when you see the pictures of these kids, you know,
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  Speaker 2: both very young teenagers and the blood left on the street,
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  Speaker 2: I think one wasn't even a teenager, one was twelve
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  Speaker 2: years of age and they look from what we can
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  Speaker 2: tell today to be unconnected to gang behavior.
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  Speaker 3: When is it enough for Albertians?
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's our problem. It's a complacency.
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  Speaker 12: We are getting complacent and I think even the government
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  Speaker 12: of getting complacent because that's who we look upon. Here
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  Speaker 12: we have two kids involved in sport, coming home from
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  Speaker 12: sport and to be attacked and mutual to the degree
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  Speaker 12: that they were. I haven't seen the footage and I
• 17:02
  Speaker 12: don't want to see the footage. But Melbournion shouldn't get
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  Speaker 12: immuneto it. They should be sending allowed clear message to
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  Speaker 12: this government and it really depends on.
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  Speaker 1: The justice system. It's all about penalty.
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  Speaker 12: We've got to get tougher put aside the children like
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  Speaker 12: Queensland adult Crime adult time. My view is if and
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  Speaker 12: when the police are lucky enough to catch these people
• 17:25
  Speaker 12: amongst other ones, they get disheartened, they're let out and
• 17:29
  Speaker 12: they're a child that don't understand this. We had an
• 17:31
  Speaker 12: incident last week that I read about a judge. There
• 17:34
  Speaker 12: was one thirteen year old offender done multiple offenses and
• 17:38
  Speaker 12: they said, oh, don't understand right from wrong and the
• 17:41
  Speaker 12: judge wish him a happy birthday.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: That's the attitude we're getting from the bench. When are
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: these people going to be held to account the judges we.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: Don't often see the frustration you obviously have as a
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: former police detective be exhibited from current serving officers. They
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: tend to toe the orderly line and be very careful
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: in their commentary, but not on the weekend. Some mountainspoken
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: comments from one of the detectives.
• 18:08
  Speaker 13: Have a listen well, police and positions always be The
• 18:13
  Speaker 13: needs to be a stronger trent for this type of behavior,
• 18:16
  Speaker 13: for carrying weapons, for people who break into homes with weapons,
• 18:20
  Speaker 13: for people who can't ajack, for people who assault people
• 18:23
  Speaker 13: with weapons. As I stand here before you, I think
• 18:26
  Speaker 13: the penalties aren't in balance with what community expectations.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Are or mine.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: So two targets there. One the lack of penalty. Well,
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: that's the government who makes the laws and touches penalties.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: And two obviously the judiciary for enforcing those penalties.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Yep, well a natural fact. The penalties are there.
• 18:48
  Speaker 12: Robbery twenty five years, the carjackings Homer, there a maximum
• 18:53
  Speaker 12: and no one gets the maximum because we've got a
• 18:55
  Speaker 12: sensory a Sentence Advisory Bureau commission that look at it.
• 19:00
  Speaker 12: Manslaughter for an example, the range for a manslaughter it's
• 19:04
  Speaker 12: twenty five years is maximum. The range six to nine years,
• 19:08
  Speaker 12: rape twenty five years, imprisonment around the same range, ten
• 19:11
  Speaker 12: to fifteen years. I call it the costco factor. The
• 19:13
  Speaker 12: more offenses you commit, the cheaper penalty you will get.
• 19:17
  Speaker 12: So the penalties are there. What it need just for
• 19:19
  Speaker 12: the legislators to say that these judges do it way
• 19:24
  Speaker 12: with precedent. I've spend in court and I've listened to
• 19:27
  Speaker 12: defense barristers dictate to the judge and say your honor,
• 19:31
  Speaker 12: my client is in the range of this particular sentence.
• 19:34
  Speaker 12: A defense barisser telling a judge, now, that's where we're at.
• 19:38
  Speaker 12: And every case isn't taken on its own merits. And
• 19:41
  Speaker 12: when there's multiple offenses, one offense carries x amounts, say
• 19:44
  Speaker 12: twenty five years. Then there's multiple offenses, and what does
• 19:47
  Speaker 12: a judge do. They incorporated into one aspect and they
• 19:51
  Speaker 12: give them a probably an eight year sentence for these
• 19:53
  Speaker 12: multiple offenses. The legislators have to go to the judiciary
• 19:58
  Speaker 12: through the Attorney General, make these judges accountable and say, well,
• 20:02
  Speaker 12: you've got the maximum sentence and.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: That's what we need to look at. That is how
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: you're going to keep the community safe.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Shure there lives run on the campaign ahead of the
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: next election where they say we're going to start removing
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: some of these people from the beach. Just sack some
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: of them on the beach.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: One hundred percent that went it hands down.
• 20:17
  Speaker 12: We had some ones on the bench going again unidentified
• 20:23
  Speaker 12: as they should. And so we have got a group
• 20:26
  Speaker 12: of magistrates and judges that are too soft. And each
• 20:30
  Speaker 12: judge runs his own court or his or her own
• 20:32
  Speaker 12: court the way they want to run it. Without accountability
• 20:35
  Speaker 12: to anybody. Bring back what the old school inspectors used
• 20:38
  Speaker 12: to be. Sit in the back of the room. Have
• 20:39
  Speaker 12: these people are cannible and say, you know what, we
• 20:41
  Speaker 12: have got a judicial commission that deals with complaints against
• 20:45
  Speaker 12: the judges and magistrates. They're run off their feet, but
• 20:48
  Speaker 12: there's specific ones. We're in the families and the victims
• 20:52
  Speaker 12: come out and say how many times you see them
• 20:55
  Speaker 12: on the steps of the Supreme Court.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Justice wasn't done.
• 20:58
  Speaker 12: They didn't get this and didn't get that, So ultimately
• 21:01
  Speaker 12: start locking these people up and having a mandated sentence.
• 21:05
  Speaker 12: But even with mandated sentences, it's like the one post,
• 21:08
  Speaker 12: for example, carries ten years mandated. One person has got
• 21:11
  Speaker 12: that because the legislators leave an escape clause all the
• 21:14
  Speaker 12: time for these mandated sentences and judges don't like it.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Hey, quick comment on Aaron Patterson. I hope after today
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: we're don't have to talk about her ever again. But
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: was that the sort of sentence you wanted to see?
• 21:26
  Speaker 12: Well on you, she'd certainly get three lives and plus
• 21:29
  Speaker 12: the attempt at twenty five years on the attempted murder,
• 21:31
  Speaker 12: but I thought she would have got a higher a
• 21:33
  Speaker 12: higher parole date given that given these.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: Longer than the thirty three.
• 21:38
  Speaker 12: Exactly probably wear thirty eight years. Sure, the main component
• 21:43
  Speaker 12: that the judge took into play was the hardship that
• 21:46
  Speaker 12: she's going to face.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Well, so bad luck.
• 21:50
  Speaker 12: You've made the decision to do what you do. You've calculated,
• 21:53
  Speaker 12: you've taken three lives, even though the pastor has forgiven her.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: In laster to that. But what the two is that?
• 22:00
  Speaker 12: Sure, she's going to be eighty, but we don't want
• 22:02
  Speaker 12: are out and things will change. Seems we'll get softer
• 22:05
  Speaker 12: for her in jail, but she's sentence on today. I
• 22:08
  Speaker 12: would have expected a higher parole period to go up
• 22:12
  Speaker 12: right over out thirty eight years.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: See my email will be full of people tonight, Charlie
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: percent and say that bloke has got to get the
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: uniform on again.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: Out the VIC police. Thank you for your time.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Thanks all right, just into Nampa, jimpro Price. Well, she's
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: never shied away from plane speaking. It's one of the
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: reasons she rose to prominence during the No campaign. And
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: she joins me now after a pretty tumultuous few days
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: in around the Parliament and beyond, welcome toe at a price.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: I wanted to start if I.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Can tonight, I want to lay out a brief chronology
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: of advantage, because a lot's been said in relation to
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: comments you've made, and then other things have happened over
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: the weekend. So let's lay it out through my audience.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Last Wednesday afternoon, you're on the ABC and suggested that
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Labor was importing too many migrants, some of them especially
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: from the Indian community, because of a propensive to vote Labor.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Let's remind everyone of exactly what were said.
• 23:06
  Speaker 14: There is a concern with the Indian community, and only
• 23:08
  Speaker 14: because there's been large numbers, and we can see that
• 23:10
  Speaker 14: reflected in the way that the community votes for Labor
• 23:13
  Speaker 14: at the same time, So if they're going to see
• 23:15
  Speaker 14: a reflection that, okay, these individuals are going to vote
• 23:18
  Speaker 14: for us more more so than other parts of the community, well,
• 23:21
  Speaker 14: then of course they're going to express a view that
• 23:24
  Speaker 14: will get those sorts of individuals into our communities.
• 23:30
  Speaker 15: All right.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: The next day, a good twelve hours on from that,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: on Thursday, Susan Lee's powerbroker, your colleague, Alex Hawk, called
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: your office looking for you. He spoke to one of
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: your staff. Later that same day, you were in contact
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: with Hawk, and then on Sunday, my colleague Andrew Klenow reported,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: presumably because Hawk or someone from his office had briefed
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: out the whole exchange, that Hawk had called you and
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: told you to apologize to the Indian community. That then
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: caused you to go public on Sunday claiming that Hawk
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: had berated your staff and told you that if you
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: didn't apologize, you would go the way of other liberal
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: women recently sacked from the front bench. Today on Laura
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Jay's program this morning on sky News, Alex Hawk had
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: this to say.
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: She was upset that I hadn't called her direct, but
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: I called her office and asked to speak to her,
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: and I might have had a one to two minute
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: conversation with her staff, and I advised her that if
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: she was told that was angry, that wasn't correct. She
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: got a version of our conversation that I said, Look,
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: I told her, I said, that's not what happened. I
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: simply asked for you, and you know, could we get
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: some video from you? And I didn't bate anybody, and
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: I have no you know, I ran somebody at random
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: and said, can I speak to your boss?
• 24:39
  Speaker 14: Did you make that inference to just well, look, she
• 24:42
  Speaker 14: didn't what I wanted to want might.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: Affect her political career.
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: No, so I didn't make that point at all.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: And I have the weekend when asked if you should
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: apologize for those comments on the ABC Wednesday last week,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Susan Lee side stepped the issue. She did not say
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: publicly that you should apologize. So dall you watch US
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Enterprise tonight? Where do things stand?
• 25:08
  Speaker 14: Well, firstly, I again the regret that I have is
• 25:13
  Speaker 14: that I wasn't clearer in terms of my comments on
• 25:16
  Speaker 14: the ABC, and since then, you know, created those made
• 25:20
  Speaker 14: those points very clear and made a clarification and also
• 25:26
  Speaker 14: on Friday spoke to Australia Today and India Indian media
• 25:31
  Speaker 14: outlet in order to make those clarifications and had a
• 25:34
  Speaker 14: very lovely conversation with them after they reached out to
• 25:38
  Speaker 14: me to do so.
• 25:40
  Speaker 15: But yes, look, my concern is that my colleague did.
• 25:46
  Speaker 14: Brate my staffer, and which was the reason for why
• 25:51
  Speaker 14: I contacted him in the first instance, because of that conversation,
• 25:55
  Speaker 14: which took about five or six minutes with my staff
• 25:58
  Speaker 14: and not wanted to and I found it highly inappropriate
• 26:05
  Speaker 14: to have that kind of conversation with another colleagues staff,
• 26:11
  Speaker 14: and also you know, to suggest to bring another colleague
• 26:17
  Speaker 14: circumstances into that into the picture was certainly viewed as
• 26:23
  Speaker 14: a threat and that I wanted to call that out.
• 26:27
  Speaker 14: And again, as you mentioned, Andrew Clanell had obviously been
• 26:31
  Speaker 14: briefed and that prompted me to respond to that.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, there's a couple of issues related, but a little
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: bit distinct the substance of what you said on the
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: ABC and as you say that, the subsequent commentary you've
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: had and the points you've tried to make about the
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: misreading or the inference read from what you said.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: We'll get to that.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: And then there's how it's been dealt with inside the coalition.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: What surprises me if the leader or anyone saying you
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: in the party had a view about what you said
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: on Wednesday, Why they didn't contact you on Wednesday and
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: sort it out Wednesday? Why this has led on for
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: four or five days. Did you speak to Susan Lee
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: herself on Wednesday, on Thursday, on Friday, over the weekend,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: have you had that conversation with her? Has she expressed
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: concern to you before today about what you said?
• 27:34
  Speaker 14: No, I had not had a conversation with the leader
• 27:39
  Speaker 14: specifically about that issue.
• 27:43
  Speaker 15: I suppose you know that surprising?
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: Why send out?
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Why send out a colleague? Sorry to interrupt you, but
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: why send out? Does sur Why send out a colleague?
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Look?
• 27:57
  Speaker 14: Absolutely, I suppose it did, and I guess I would
• 28:02
  Speaker 14: expect that I would hear directly from the leader herself
• 28:06
  Speaker 14: effort was of huge concern. It didn't appear to be
• 28:12
  Speaker 14: of huge concern, And I suppose I made that clear
• 28:16
  Speaker 14: also to understand from Alex why it was that he
• 28:22
  Speaker 14: was he felt the need to call me and talk
• 28:26
  Speaker 14: to me in quite an aggressive tone.
• 28:29
  Speaker 15: Yeah, No, I hadn't received any such call.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: All right, let's go to the substance of your comments.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: In empirical terms, if you look at the ABS data,
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: there has been a considerable increase in the quantum of
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Indian born migrants in Australia.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: That is a statement of fact.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: It's roughly doubled from twenty thirteen to the latest stats
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: we've got in twenty twenty three.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: So that's a statement of fact.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Also a statement of opinion from a lot of pollsters
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: that a lot of this community, the Indian community, and
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: it's not just this community, many migrant communities are similar
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: that they vote for labor. Let's listen to Cause Samarus.
• 29:17
  Speaker 13: Eighty five percent of the Indiandia Asprit voted for the
• 29:20
  Speaker 13: Labor Party at the last election.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: They're abounds. It varies across the country.
• 29:25
  Speaker 14: What was the number, so, Cause about eighty five percent.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Now there's a difference there between what your inference was
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: that Labour bring in Indians because Indians vote for labor.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: We have a non discriminatory policy. I am assuming you
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: accept that that inference is wrong. But to the fact
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: base comments you made those comments there from CAUs Samaras
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: about the recent voting intentions of this community and also
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: the large numbers of this community. Isn't it a fact
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: that the reason I a lot of them vote for
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: the Labor Party is because the Liberal Party has completely
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: dropped the ball with a lot of these multicultural communities.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, the Liberal Party goes and knocks on their
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: door during an election campaign, but doesn't go anywhere near
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: these communities at all.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: And if you look in the broader part.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Of the term, and if you look at the Indian
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: community in particular, you couldn't find a community better aligned
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: to liberal values. They believe in small business and the
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: family and the rule of law. A lot of them
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: come here speaking English. They're hard working. I mean, these
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: are just the sort of Australians that the Liberal Party
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: should be absolutely going out of their way to make friends.
• 30:43
  Speaker 15: Oh look, absolutely that is correct, Peter.
• 30:47
  Speaker 14: And you know, I've always recognized members of our migrant
• 30:51
  Speaker 14: community who are doing a remarkable job. I've got a
• 30:54
  Speaker 14: great relationship with Indian members within my own community that
• 30:57
  Speaker 14: I have supported and including business people in my community
• 31:01
  Speaker 14: over the years in my role as counselor and of
• 31:04
  Speaker 14: course Deputy Mayor. And I suppose the point that I
• 31:08
  Speaker 14: wanted to make was the way in which labor does
• 31:11
  Speaker 14: aggressively caught the migrant community.
• 31:14
  Speaker 15: As they do the indigenous community.
• 31:16
  Speaker 14: I mean, those points I laid out quite clearly, and
• 31:20
  Speaker 14: that is of a concern of mine and the points
• 31:23
  Speaker 14: that I wanted to make.
• 31:25
  Speaker 15: But also I wanted to make the point that math
• 31:29
  Speaker 15: migration is of huge concern and that it.
• 31:32
  Speaker 14: Does apply pressure on Australian families on our infrastructure and
• 31:38
  Speaker 14: our hospital, schools, are housing and why you know, another
• 31:44
  Speaker 14: thing that I disappointed me was the fact that some
• 31:48
  Speaker 14: of my colleagues chose to ignore those elements of this
• 31:54
  Speaker 14: entire argument, but instead adopted the left wing media's approach
• 32:00
  Speaker 14: to I suppose, you know, applying pressure to me instead
• 32:05
  Speaker 14: of pointing out those very facts. I mean, I'm coming
• 32:09
  Speaker 14: from somebody who's part of a minority community. I know
• 32:14
  Speaker 14: the aggressiveness with which labor goes after Indigenous voters, and
• 32:20
  Speaker 14: that is a point that I was certainly making as well.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: So you're not going to back down from continuing to
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: pursue the issue, you know, I saw you out there
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: very strongly about the flag, but continuing to prosecute the
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: case that the Australian migrant intake is too high, too much,
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: too quickly, and too high at the moment. Is that
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: still going to be a feature of your ad advocacy?
• 32:47
  Speaker 15: Oh?
• 32:48
  Speaker 14: Look, absolutely, It's not about who's coming in. It's about
• 32:51
  Speaker 14: how many migrants are coming and the pressure that the
• 32:55
  Speaker 14: fact that we just can't, we simply can't provide for
• 32:59
  Speaker 14: such great numbers. And I will also execute the issues
• 33:03
  Speaker 14: across my portfolio and any other issues that are of
• 33:08
  Speaker 14: concern to.
• 33:08
  Speaker 15: The Australian people. I will continue to do that.
• 33:11
  Speaker 14: And you know, I have asked our leader if she
• 33:17
  Speaker 14: would ask Alex Hark to apologize to me for his conduct.
• 33:22
  Speaker 15: You know again a liberal woman, and liberal women.
• 33:26
  Speaker 14: Need to be able to feel like they're being supported wholeheartedly.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: All right, well, we'll see what happens with that one.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Just Enterprise, thank you for joining me tonight. I might say, say,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: would you like about Julia Gillard? But if she wanted
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: to deal with a colleague, if she had an issue
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: with a colleague, she picked up the phone and called
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: that colleague. And I've worked for three liberal leaders, all
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: of them had those conversations direct Susan Lee, don't send
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: you bother a boy out your problem with a colleague,
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: pick up the phone, do it yourself. All right after
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: the break well, the resignation of the UK Dewney Prime
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: Minister and the subsequent pretty.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: Difficult.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: I'd have to say, Catherine Shovel put a dent in
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: the rising popularity of reform UK last not long after
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: the election, already the PM receiving a frosty reception at
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: the AFL over the weekend, welcome back. Just before we
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: go to the UK. I want to clarify something.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: I've got a.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Message from Just Enterprise who said, just please make it
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: clear that this morning I did get a call from
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Susan Lee, but that's the first time they have spoken
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: since this all blew up last Wednesday. Well being used
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: to the UK of the weekend on tea what I
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: was glued to the television as we watched the resignation
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: of the Deputy Prime Minister over a tax scandal. Nigel Farage,
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: leader of Reform UK, of course took full advantage of
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: the timing of this as he addressed his parties and
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: your conference.
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: But you simply can't get away, can you from being
• 34:59
  Speaker 6: the housing second terry and avoiding forty thousand pounds of
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: council tax? And it screams to entitlement. It screams to
• 35:10
  Speaker 6: a government that, despite all the promises that this would
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: be a new, different kind of politics, is as bad,
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: if not worse than the one that went before.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: He was on fire.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: He was as equally scathing of the Labor reshuffle as
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: he was of Conservatives yet another reset.
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: They are not fit to govern. The Conservative Party are riven.
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: In fact, Nadeen Doris said overnight, the Conservative Party are dead.
• 35:46
  Speaker 6: They will not be forgiven for their betrayals over the
• 35:49
  Speaker 6: course of the last five years. Mass migrations, illegal immigrants
• 35:54
  Speaker 6: crossing the Channel, sky high taxes, so.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: Much to discuss.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: Joining me now, Conservative commentator, columnist for The Times, former
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: advisor to to Boris Johnson before he sensationally quit the
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Conservative Party as now joined a former UK a good
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: friend of mine, Tim Montgomery. Well, Tim, I tell you what,
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: you wouldn't want to be anywhere if you're in politics
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: other than London. Over the weekend, so much happened. People
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: here in Australia have watched Angela Rainer. She's a poster
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: child for the hard left. She was tipped to be
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: on her way to roll the Prime minister. This is
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: a big setback for not just the Labor government, but
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: I'm assuming the Labor Party.
• 36:40
  Speaker 16: Absolutely. And first of all, picture, it's lovely to be
• 36:42
  Speaker 16: back on your show. It's been a little while and
• 36:45
  Speaker 16: a lot has happened in British politics since we were
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  Speaker 16: lasting conversation and to paint the big picture for your audience,
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  Speaker 16: the extraordinary thing that has happened in British politics is
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  Speaker 16: for all of my sort of adult life. The two
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  Speaker 16: main parties, Labor and the Conservatives, have won seventy to
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  Speaker 16: eighty percent of the vote, at the moment, the vote
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  Speaker 16: of those two parties combined is only about forty percent.
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  Speaker 16: What we are seeing in British politics is a collapse
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  Speaker 16: of the center. The main two parties that have dominated
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  Speaker 16: British politics are in retrieve because historic is historic moment. Really,
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  Speaker 16: we are seeing them simultaneously fail. They're failing to deliver
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  Speaker 16: and also they're being engulfed by the kind of ethics
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  Speaker 16: scandals of the kind that you've just highlighted with Angela
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  Speaker 16: Reiner and Nigel Farage is a very impressive politician. He
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  Speaker 16: is definitely taking advantage of the opportunity. But it is
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  Speaker 16: the simultaneous collapse of Labor and the Conservatives that's created
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  Speaker 16: this opportunity and the significant moment in British politics that
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  Speaker 16: can see British politics reshaped in a way that we
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  Speaker 16: haven't seen in the post war period.
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  Speaker 2: I want to get to the race shuffle at the moment,
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  Speaker 2: but let's stay with this point. Because you were at
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  Speaker 2: the Reform conference on the weekend, I'll say this for
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  Speaker 2: people at home. Labor, the Tories and Reform have annual
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  Speaker 2: conferences in a way we don't in Australia. We had
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  Speaker 2: them sort of every three or so years. You do
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  Speaker 2: them every year you're at the Reform conference. The timing
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  Speaker 2: couldn't have been better for the Reform Party. But you
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  Speaker 2: made some observations and I picked them up online about
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  Speaker 2: the nature of the modern Tory Party and what they want.
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  Speaker 2: They're chasing votes, whereas Reform wants to change.
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  Speaker 3: The country, and I thought that was very profound.
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  Speaker 16: Yeah, well, I spent a lot of time in the
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  Speaker 16: bars weekend better and it will work, of course, just
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  Speaker 16: to meet people. It wasn't just because they enjoy a
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  Speaker 16: drink or two. And I spent a lot of time
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  Speaker 16: talking to Reform members, and it suddenly sort of clipped
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  Speaker 16: in my head the contrast of having been lots of
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  Speaker 16: Conservative Party conferences. When I talk to Conservative members and politicians,
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  Speaker 16: there's always you know, we've got to control immigration because
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  Speaker 16: if we don't control immigration, we won't win this vote,
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  Speaker 16: or we won't win this constituency. And actually, the extraordinary
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  Speaker 16: difference why I was with the Reform people was they
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  Speaker 16: just said we need to control immigration, or we need
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  Speaker 16: to tackle this crime problem. There wasn't because it was
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  Speaker 16: going to get us votes. It was just like raw belief,
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  Speaker 16: and you know, and perhaps in ten or fifteen years
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  Speaker 16: time and the Reform Party will be a different beast.
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  Speaker 16: Perhaps it will be influenced by being immersed in politics,
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  Speaker 16: but I think what the British people sense is that
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  Speaker 16: both Labor and the Conservatives have become political operations primarily
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  Speaker 16: run by politicians, staff by politicians completely obsessed by politics,
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  Speaker 16: and Reform is a new movement.
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  Speaker 1: It's people who just had.
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  Speaker 16: Enough of the small boats crossing the English Channel, had
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  Speaker 16: enough of seeing sort of anti Israel marches in London
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  Speaker 16: every single weekend, and fed up with the tax burden
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  Speaker 16: that they face. The want to change the country, regardless
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  Speaker 16: of what it means politically. They want their country back.
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  Speaker 16: And it was a fascinating conference to be part of.
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  Speaker 2: Just A quick comment on the new Home Affairs secretary
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  Speaker 2: because almost an immediate backlash that she's been put in
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  Speaker 2: charge of immigration. If you've got to comment there for me,
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  Speaker 2: Tim before we go.
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  Speaker 16: I think she's actually a really impressive person. She's certainly
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  Speaker 16: not my politics, but I think she because she is
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  Speaker 16: a Muslim, and perhaps because she is on the letster,
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  Speaker 16: she may be able to do more to change the
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  Speaker 16: immigration issue than some white politicians.
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  Speaker 1: It shouldn't of course, be that way, Peter.
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  Speaker 16: But that's how modern politics works.
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  Speaker 2: Oh well, watch what plays out. Thank you very much
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  Speaker 2: to Montgomery. Let's go out of the panel and joining
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  Speaker 2: me in our deputy executive director at the Istitute of
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  Speaker 2: Public Affairs, Daniel Wild in One Nation chief staff James
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  Speaker 2: Ashby Gentz. We'll start with a quick one on tobacco text.
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  Speaker 2: This is incredible. The tax is booming, the tax collected
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  Speaker 2: is booming.
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  Speaker 3: It's gone up and up and up and up.
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  Speaker 2: Consumptions remaining static, but a lot of people are going
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  Speaker 2: into the black market to buy their tobacco. It hasn't
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  Speaker 2: solved the problem of increased smoking rates or sorry, continuing
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  Speaker 2: smoking rates, Daniel Wild. But what it's done is absolutely
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  Speaker 2: turbo charge the drug cartels and the bikes and that
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  Speaker 2: whole underworld crime market.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, I think this is really a case study
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  Speaker 8: in public policy failure. You've got billions of dollars that,
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  Speaker 8: instead of going into the government coffers, is going into
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  Speaker 8: the hands of gains and criminal activities. It seems that
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  Speaker 8: every second week, at least in Victoria, certainly, there's a
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  Speaker 8: fire bombing of one of the tobacco shops and as
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  Speaker 8: you say, it doesn't even appear now to be pushing
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  Speaker 8: down rates of nicotine consumption, if indeed we believe that's
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  Speaker 8: a worthy public health goal. And you know, you're getting
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  Speaker 8: a lot of younger people also that are transitioning to
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  Speaker 8: things like vaping, which you know, I think you could
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  Speaker 8: at least argue to toss on whether that's more or
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  Speaker 8: less preferable than smoking cigarettes, as it potastes to health outcome.
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  Speaker 8: So I think that if they were actually to cut
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  Speaker 8: the excise rate, you've probably actually get more revenue at
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  Speaker 8: this point because people would transition out of the black
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  Speaker 8: market back into the lawful market.
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  Speaker 2: Dan, doesn't it strike it was absolutely absurd that you
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  Speaker 2: can walk into the hero and injecting room in Melbourne
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  Speaker 2: or into Sydney. You could inject your arm with heroin
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  Speaker 2: that you've bought illegally off the street from a dealer
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  Speaker 2: that everyone knows is outside the door, but they turn
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  Speaker 2: a blind eye to it, but you couldn't light up
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  Speaker 2: a cigarette in that same injecting room.
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  Speaker 8: Well, you've hit the nail on the head about the
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  Speaker 8: hypocrisy of this, and you know so much is done
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  Speaker 8: under the guise of public health and we've seen really
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  Speaker 8: how far that can go throughout the COVID era, where
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  Speaker 8: basically everything was justified under that rubric. But you're quite
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  Speaker 8: right to point out the the sort of paradoxical nature
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  Speaker 8: of saying, well, it's basically cart blanche when it comes
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  Speaker 8: to hard drugs and the sort of message that sends
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  Speaker 8: to the community, while at the same time you, I mean,
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  Speaker 8: we're really quite close to prohibition. We're getting close to
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  Speaker 8: prohibition on tobacco in this country, which I think is
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  Speaker 8: just an astonishing state of affairs.
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  Speaker 2: I love to read this report today, James Ashvie that
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  Speaker 2: says mentions of diversity, Environmental Social Governance ESG all of
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  Speaker 2: the DEI stuff in and your report says dramatically fallen
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  Speaker 2: away some fifty four or eighty one companies that have
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  Speaker 2: basically left a blank page. Are we finally waking up?
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  Speaker 3: Well?
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  Speaker 17: Maybe, but the truth is, Peter, it's hard enough to
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  Speaker 17: find staff as it is for a business without having
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  Speaker 17: the cherry pick these little that want to make implications
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  Speaker 17: for a job today. And I might just point out too,
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  Speaker 17: some of these stereo groups that we're talking about here,
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  Speaker 17: some of the highest rates of mental health issues in
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  Speaker 17: the country. So as an employer, I don't want to
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  Speaker 17: hire those people who are going to create more problems
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  Speaker 17: for me as an employer with productivity. Not these little
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  Speaker 17: unicorns as I like to call them, come out of
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  Speaker 17: thin air. It should be the best person for the job.
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  Speaker 17: Move on and thank goodness big business are starting to
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  Speaker 17: wake up to that.
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  Speaker 2: The PM copped at the aflover the weekend of the
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  Speaker 2: Hawthorn and Giants game a bit of a boo now
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  Speaker 2: he's only just won the election in May. I'm surprised
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  Speaker 2: that the booig started already, but that's where we are.
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  Speaker 2: But it comes as there's calls Dan to really cap
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  Speaker 2: the time for these welcome to countries. One went for
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  Speaker 2: nearly five minutes on the weekend popular saying, look if
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  Speaker 2: we have to have them, and they I don't love them.
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  Speaker 2: They want to stand in script or they want something
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  Speaker 2: done pretty promptly so they can get onto the game.
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  Speaker 3: What do you think.
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  Speaker 8: I just get rid of them? Is what I think
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  Speaker 8: Australian has had a gutful of it. I mean, does
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  Speaker 8: anybody feel welcomed by Welcome to country anymore?
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  Speaker 1: Is it just me?
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  Speaker 8: Or have these become much more aggressive in recent times.
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  Speaker 8: You know, they're supposed to include us, they're supposed to
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  Speaker 8: make us feel more welcome, but what they've done is
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  Speaker 8: divided us and alienated Australians from their own country, and
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  Speaker 8: they're now used as a cudgel against mainstream Australians. They
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  Speaker 8: are demeaning and I just think it's time to end
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  Speaker 8: the practice, certainly at sporting sporting matches. Now, yes, there's
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  Speaker 8: a time and a place if you're visiting an indigenous community.
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  Speaker 8: I think it's entirely appropriate. But for heaven's sake, I mean,
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  Speaker 8: the community is just completely over this. It casts a
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  Speaker 8: shadow over what should be an enjoyable evening. Just get
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  Speaker 8: rid of them.
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  Speaker 2: What about your report that's come out today from the
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  Speaker 2: IPA that says forty five percent of Australians believe that
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  Speaker 2: Camber does not understand the needs of regional Australia.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, well, I mean I think this reinforces what a
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  Speaker 8: lot of Australians understand, which is that the policy makers
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  Speaker 8: and the bureaucrats who live and work in Canberra don't
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  Speaker 8: understand the bush. But it's the bush that generates the
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  Speaker 8: well for our country, you know, the revenue to pay
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  Speaker 8: for the schools, the rows, the hospitals and welfare and
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  Speaker 8: everything else we need as a country. I mean, you've
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  Speaker 8: led the debate on the net zero imposition, which is
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  Speaker 8: designed by inner city activists, but it's those in the
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  Speaker 8: regions that pay the price. And I think mainstream Australians
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  Speaker 8: understand that this is a big problem and they well
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  Speaker 8: and truly want our policy makers to back the Bush
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  Speaker 8: and the industries and the jobs that are there.
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  Speaker 2: And here here I want to say to a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people in the city, contact me and they get it.
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  Speaker 2: They want to support the Bush. This idea that just
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  Speaker 2: the urban voter doesn't care about the Bush is wrong.
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  Speaker 2: The green left voter don't, but a lot of people do.
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  Speaker 2: They know where their food comes from. Jens have got
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  Speaker 2: to leave it there. We've had technical issues. Go law tonight.
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  Speaker 2: We got through the show. Great to have your company
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  Speaker 2: as always, big weak ahead Updecks.
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  Speaker 3: James McPherson filling in for Anchibolt