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Talks to the Fluxxing brilliant Dylan Rees about his choice of The Halloween Apocalypse · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Here once again with Joe to talk about more Jodie Whittaker Joe,
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  how's it going? Marvelous, thank you very much.
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  Talking about Jodi whiskers. One of our favorite things to
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  do. It's all we ever do or people
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  will think. So, the amount of wants, I
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  believe you're in a quite, a clone cold climate of the
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  moment. I am in a cold climates.
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  I'm up. I'm about two and a half.
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  Thousand feet up in a little ski.
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  It's a town in Austria with work and a podcasting live from there
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  to keep myself out of trouble. This is the most stylish podcast
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  on, you know, it's in a nice. Snowy location.
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  Are you having fun? I'm having a lovely time.
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  It's a lot of hard work. And I'm trying to keep out of
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  trouble in the evenings doing podcast and stuff like that.
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  What what nobody knows is. But well, you'll notice because
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  I missed you last night, but to two floors down, David Bradley's
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  down there. Because he's in the film of
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  Macon. Oh, a giant never thought
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  there'd be a porno of David Bradley but it takes all sorts
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  of, you know. Well, quite wow.
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  I obviously, we can't disclose what you are filming, but one
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  day you'll be able to write. Yeah, it'll be announced in the
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  Press of the next few weeks. I should say guys it's most of
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  you won't even know what this is.
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  They could you won't know the first film.
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  So it's not like I'm just gonna be like what still am working on
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  our its bondage. James Bond, or Doctor Who the
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  movie? It's just a, it's a job.
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  It's an exciting job is going to be a lot of fun.
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  When it's finished, you telling me you're not working on dogs.
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  Hate a movie. Unfortunately.
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  Not one day. One day David.
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  We are here today to talk about. Is this a little bit about the
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  flocks? We're going to be doing all six
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  episodes. I'm so pleased that you agreed
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  to that also. It's episodes of this.
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  You and I are both incredibly fond of this season in the last
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  episode. We recorded, I think we both put
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  it third in when we saw our top three seasons.
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  That's pretty high, you know, giving out a little bit.
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  Do you think that's a sort of consensus point of view?
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  No, I don't think it is, but I also think this is one of those
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  Seasons that as time moves on. I think it'll get re-evaluated
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  and I think people will start to love it more.
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  I think people were far too concerned with the ratings and
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  where it was going and all their theories with different plot
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  points and things like that. And that didn't turn out to be
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  true. So their own sort of their own
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  theories, kind of spoiled what was actually going.
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  The on-screen essentially I think but I think it remains a
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  unique series of Doctor Who there is nothing else like it
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  and I think you give it a few years and when it's you know
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  repeat but not repeated you like the repeats anymore but when the
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  big Blu-ray version that comes out when it's repeated on BBC
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  Two on you can't a gold but no I think when the bells and
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  whistles Blu-ray version of it comes out one day.
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  Everybody will go what a fantastic. 8-bit of Television,
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  that was Okay, so when it comes to season 11 and season 12.
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  Yeah, I understand why a certain portion of yours wouldn't like
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  those two takes on the show. One is, you know, as we said,
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  one is very continuity, light, sort of Sunday, evening, serial
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  type daughter here in the other is going completely downward
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  direction and, you know, throwing a fucking ball models,
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  who continuity and watching. All the debris rain down and
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  fandom cry in the Owner. I have a bit baffled that more
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  people. Don't celebrate this because
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  I've watched this through a good number of times.
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  Now I don't think I'm not critical viewer.
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  Like Jesus. Go listen to me.
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  Talking about Steven Moffat stories but minute by minute, I
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  think this is hugely entertaining.
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  I think it's visually stunning. I think it's got Twist after
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  twist going through it, I think it has lots of plots that are
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  weaved through six episodes, very skillfully.
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  I think it introduces a ton of brilliant new characters, like
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  swarm, and as you and Dan and Kevin McNally's character was
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  just named eustatius Jericho. Yes, yes, exactly.
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  The this snake, man, what's his name?
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  The snake, man. Oh, oh, I've got that upside
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  yet. Yeah, your answer grandma.
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  Office or a bastard. I might have a bit of gas
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  industry gospel. I'm going to wait until we get
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  to his episode about that. Not that he's a bad person or
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  anything like that. Has to Grant serpent, haven't
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  had the Grandpa Grandma serpents but I did, I did hear some
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  rumors about his involvement and who he may have replaced at some
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  garlic, our weight. But so yeah, great original
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  characters, I think it's got fantastic Cliffhangers Oh yeah,
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  I'm not sure. The resolutions are ever pretty
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  spectacular but the Cliffhanger but whenever are they like in
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  Doctor Who have like, how many Cliffhangers can you honestly
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  say that was good resolution? I think it introduces a
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  companion in a brilliant way. I really likable companion.
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  It takes a companion. That was underserved and gives a
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  shit on those to do. Yeah.
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  And it takes an already formed doctor and gives her a best
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  material yet. So I don't understand.
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  I don't get it, I do not get it. I think this Is really fun.
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  We can only assume the Doctor Who fans are wrong.
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  I want to know the time, I do that all the time.
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  So can I ask him before we go into the Halloween apocalypse,
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  sort of what your reaction was to this, as it was going out
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  like your first, I loved it. I as I said before, series 11
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  took a bit of getting used to series 12 hours in right from
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  that first episode and I love the whole thing.
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  So by the time series 12 finished, I was pitching for
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  whatever the next season will be and obviously it took a A little
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  bit longer because of covid, and I guess we'll talk a bit more
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  about the impacts covid, may, or may not have had on this as we
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  go along. But I was, I was in, from the,
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  it was the most excited I've been at about Doctor Who I think
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  in probably since early Moffat, like, season 6, which I know
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  there's not favorite of yours. But it's one of those things
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  where I was just like, right? This is I have to watch it live.
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  I can't miss an episode, I need to, I need to know the
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  resolution to all These plot points and where the story is
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  going to go next a straight away.
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  So I was absolutely hooked. Don't you worry?
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  You me and Luc. Malloy are going to hash out the
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  Impossible Astronaut day of the Moon with a six-pack of beers
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  and three condoms. All right.
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  Thank you, ma'am. I was gonna be a recording to
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  not miss out on. Well, that should we skip into
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  episode one? And see and see just what Chris
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  chibnall has. Has to offer.
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  I really want to talk a bit about covid as well.
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  Impact that has had on this because I think it had primarily
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  positive impact on flux in terms of its visuals and things like
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  that. But what do you count as in?
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  Okay, well let's Press Play in five, four, three, two, one way,
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  In push my button any day. Okay.
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  So what do you think about this? Do you like when we don't quite
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  know what, where the story's been we sort of Jess?
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  I'll fight you. I love this.
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  This sort of cold open and I think I can see.
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  It's exactly the sort of thing that pisses off, hardcore,
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  Doctor, Who fans this, sort of fun, little skit, but I'm just
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  like its peak Doctor Who you've got this tiny.
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  It's just a tiny little adventure and it just says big
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  bold. A Chair.
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  Right from the start menu, really going for the fun.
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  Jugular isn't it in a way that like in series of levity?
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  Did it really very much to him. So it was sort of very, very
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  worthy, a lot of that. Hey, we got boiling acid sees
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  they had tied down by a graph bar.
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  They've been shot at by drones, you know it's going on this is
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  more Saturday night entertainment as well.
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  I do think this is a series that would have sat better in the
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  schedule on a Saturday night but again who watches live apart
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  from people. Like me.
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  How often do you have too many times when dogs who does this or
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  drops us? And I know Mafia did it quite a
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  bit. Yeah.
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  But Moffitt and throw in like good ideas for a story and have
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  them over and done with in like 30 seconds and you.
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  But I start at 30 seconds is more interesting than what's
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  going on on the screen, but it's 45 minutes frequently.
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  Yeah. Oh, the church has in a minute.
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  I've said to you before, I really feel as if someone was
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  taking an eye over these scription own go, and we'll put
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  some jokes in. All right, you make it A bit
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  with the handcuffs in a minute, where she's dying release and
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  she goes, she tries to do it all, Scottish as well, to be
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  like about it. She's fantastic.
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  And I also think this is trying to answer some of the criticisms
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  that are perhaps Jody's. Doctor isn't as funny as people
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  would like her. But I mean, I don't think that's
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  a criticism that really Rings true.
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  If I'm honest bottle, but I think she gets her funniest
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  material in her third year. Absolutely.
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  She's just Like all of them. She's so confident at this point
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  and their third year, they're always just riding High roll and
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  you're just ready to see that that fourth Big Year and we
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  never get it. I think her finest performers is
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  in her of an episode is in her third year and it's in the flux
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  season. I living.
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  It's this one. I mean, I do think she's great
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  in this, we'll get there. All right, amazing.
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  I think I saw somebody slacking off the special effects of this
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  particular seed on Twitter recently.
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  And I just think it looks glorious.
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  It looks incredible. And this is one of the things I
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  think they're covid force them to do.
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  They had to do a lot of green, so they couldn't go out as much
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  because they could go overseas. So, you know, as a result go,
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  and I'm going to say something that my friend, Nathan
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  bottomley, who really dislikes this era, but it's something
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  very positive that he says about this season.
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  It's only It's really weird again.
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  Yeah. Weird and visually interesting
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  and it hasn't for a bear. I was thinking about that when I
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  was watching these first two episodes, the other day there is
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  not there is not a series of Doctor Who like this and many
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  ways, but visually, especially all the mattress when he talked
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  about the mattress. Yeah, come on.
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  Let's talk about this. That made the internet, you
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  know, burst with excitement. Now it could be a perfectly
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  innocent mattress but left there for things like that.
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  But why would you go to the what?
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  Why would you make it up? If it was just there to catch
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  you, when you fall in, they've been doing naughty things on
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  them. Often.
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  They're just having it off. Yeah, sweet stories.
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  We just don't see that stuff and it's just some heavy scissoring
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  in between Adventure. I need to sleep tonight.
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  Okay. So what do you think about the
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  structure of this because The season changed and initially it
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  was a longer run with or guest writers and I think a lot of
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  what's in here was going to be dumb as individual stories.
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  I would imagine sort of Joseph Williams and stuff would have
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  been an individual episodes. Yeah.
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  I mean, from my understanding, what Chris chibnall said, was
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  they made Eight Episodes for the price of 10.
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  So it's these 6. And then the Easter special or
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  the slots that was given to be used.
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  Special. And then the Christmas special.
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  And I guess that kind of brings true either.
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  I'm always a little hesitant when people talk about covid,
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  affecting doctor, whose production because from, I think
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  it was August of the pandemic was in 2019 or 2020.
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  I can't remember. Whichever whichever the first
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  year of the pandemic was always 20/20.
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  Wasn't it television and film were given special dispensation
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  to continue shooting because everybody was trapped in their
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  houses and watching everything. So While it's true to say that
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  covid has an impact on people's budget, not in budgets what it
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  has on the production methods, it doesn't particularly add any
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  more time to how you're shooting something and most companies
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  give you a covid budget separately from your production
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  budget. So I think it was more about
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  them figuring out the safe way to do things, but I don't
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  necessarily believe that they couldn't have made Doctor Who
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  like drawing that. Time the way it was previously
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  was, I think they just saw it as a chance to do something
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  completely different. What's so interesting about flax
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  is he didn't just say right, well, fine, then we're going to
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  do six individual episodes, like we know is like, no other lean
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  into my strength. So what's his big here before
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  this Broadchurch with this sort of long-running story with all
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  these different chapters? And even like the end of this
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  episode, which boy will we get there on?
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  Talk about that. He does the same thing.
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  He does at the end of most broad shows episodes, which is catches
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  you up with every single character and where they are in
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  the narrative, it's absolutely him playing in that same sort of
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  ballpark, I missing anything like this before.
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  No. And you know what the big
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  disappointment for me, when Chris chibnall took over I
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  thought okay, that's what they're going to do.
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  There is good Doctor Who's going to be a ten-part cereal all
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  interlinked? And I think the initial
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  disappointment I have this series 11.
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  It was a lot of, oh, this is just sort of, more of the same
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  and I wanted a big reinvention and he doesn't do it, then he
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  does it now and I think it works spectacularly and I would love
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  Doctor Who to stay in this format.
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  I don't think it will, but what we know about Rusty Davis is
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  era. I just I think this is a one-off
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  but a bloody. Yeah.
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  Yeah, but I love that. They've thrown us at we you know
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  in this what we're five minutes in something like that and we've
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  had this mini adventure with the doctor and As we've had this guy
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  in a tunnel with Liverpool in the past and then we meet Danone
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  is Diana's in it down. And Diane.
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  Yeah. Essentially, apart from a very
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  few characters, like the grand, Serpent and Jericho.
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  Every plot is introduced here. Yeah.
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  You single one and I think, you know, when people first watch
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  this, I watched it. I was like, they are going, what
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  the hell is going on or what who's this, who's that?
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  Well, it and I was getting sort of more most like in and then
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  towards the end of the episode I was going.
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  There's too much going on. I don't think he knows what
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  Going on. And then when he hit will
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  actually Fagor with every character, like this is where
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  they all are in this narrative. I know exactly where they are
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  and where they're going, I'll had goosebumps like narrative
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  Goosebumps of like, okay, this is really exciting, he knows
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  what he's doing. Let's go.
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  All right, you know, perhaps solutely and I think he's very
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  clever at wrong forcing people throughout and I'll come that
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  there's a few of them as you go along, but I the introduction of
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  damn, I know with just sort of missed it, but It's such a
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  lovely day. It's just this guy that just
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  really loves this city and you just know instantly you're going
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  to love him that he's great and that you can trust him.
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  And I think, you know, a lot of the time people say stuff about
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  chip knows characterization that he can't do.
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  Those sort of things that Dusty Davis is very good at, but you
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  get it all in Dan's first scene. He's Charming, isn't it?
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  It's as don't Bishop soldier. I've had people say that he's
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  not given much of a performance. He's just being John Bishop who
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  cares, George? Bush's fucking child.
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  Humming, you know, I'll Tom Baker isn't like, again, this is
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  old-school. Gallifrey, these are to
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  Gallifrey ins like hard the division.
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  It's like, it's all of a sudden. It's this big epic timelord
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  tail. He hasn't forgotten what he's
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  done in the previous season with the time.
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  This child, we're just getting more and more of his version of
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  Doctor Who in his version of Gallifrey.
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  Now, Now, I wouldn't swap. Hi Pac, Camp swarm for anything
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  at the bit where he walks in the room and goes Dan, Lewis.
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  It is quite my favorite entrances ever, but this
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  fellow's playing the earlier swore.
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  Before he kicked his it's not the same actor, is it?
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  I don't think it is. No, he's really scary.
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  He's doing this sort of weird, raspy breathing.
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  Yeah, he's really creepy. I love this idea of this this
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  creature but so powerful that they've had to imprison them for
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  centuries and centuries and just by being there and absorbing the
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  environment around him. He's figured out a way over
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  thousands of years or hundreds of thousands of years to escape.
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  I also I really like the fact you know this is called the
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  Halloween apocalypse and I figured okay so it's just going
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  to be like a old-school Horror Story and he didn't do that.
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  He obviously used as a springboard to tell this
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  enormous narrative but within In it, he had individual scenes
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  that were really creepy. This is one, the one with diving
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  forces, building actual out the door, like they're some serious
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  scares in this one. Absolutely.
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  The camera work as well. Just like all the weird angles
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  they go in on Old swarm here. It's just gorgeous.
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  Amy, Magnus Stone. Was quite a following, wasn't
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  it? Yes.
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  Yeah, and long, may he continue? Is he coming back?
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  I don't know. I feel like is he coming back?
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  I don't know. But I hope he comes back.
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  Yeah, so do I die. I'm going back to Dan for a
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  second, right? Because I like I do, you know,
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  we've got six hours to fill it with I do want to address some
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  of the complaints people have about this, as well.
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  So it's not, you know, we've got to celebrate us because we love
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  it. Oh, my word.
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  That is that is giving me. Hell, Raiser Vibes, know, it's
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  absolutely hideous. You couldn't have done this.
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  You couldn't have told this story in 2005.
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  I don't think people would have accepted this on sort of
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  mainstream television season that it, this is how it started.
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  This is a confident series that's been running for the best
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  part, 15 years, I think. And like you know, the that's
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  that's most shocking thing. Chris chibnall could do with
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  some of the completely broke the format.
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  Yeah. And the like swarming is a they
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  are the best villains to be that.
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  The new series is created. I think that's entirely sure
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  what they're all about. And I don't know, I know what
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  they want to do and I know they're fabulous and they look
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  amazing and you know, this their Sleek as hell.
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  But I've no, I'm not quite sure what their motive action it,
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  that's all. Yeah, but they're amazing that
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  whenever they're on the screen, I cannot take my eyes off him.
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  Yeah. I mean, I think they're just
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  that typical sort of Doctor Who villain in the way that they're
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  just evil bastard to on the destroyer ship because it, they
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  enjoy it to be fair. I'm not sure we ever really got
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  beyond the motivation of like Saudi door people like that, I
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  live, I know, I'm not sure we've ever really got behind the
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  motivation of the master to be honest like I know he thinks
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  he's playing some game with the doctor, or she's playing some
• 20:41
  game with the doctor, but even so, I just like their oversight.
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  After 55 years old, this stuff, now, I wasn't quite sure about
• 20:51
  this, right? So, the Tardis is effectively
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  bleeding, which is a great Visual and I love the gag of the
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  door, Freedom, the pit where they come up through the floor,
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  and he goes, what's a funny old place to come into this room, is
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  it because of the flux? I think so.
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  Yeah, I think it's a combination of the flux and whatever swarm,
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  whatever swarm is doing to try and get to the doctor and they
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  do address the fact that it's been damaged because in either
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  the Daleks she just basic doesn't systems research here in
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  my office are stunning effects sequence.
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  Yeah, one of the best Other people say this is a bit much
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  right that Dan, it works in a food bank, he doesn't take it
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  easy through down for himself, you know, also spend his life,
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  be doing nice things for people. I'll say to those people with
• 21:40
  that criticism we could do of a more a few more people like this
• 21:43
  in life. You know we could but what I
• 21:45
  would say is house down going to pay for the drinks at the pub on
• 21:48
  his date with Dianne. Is she paying for them all I
• 21:51
  guess she is yeah. Agent Bishop yes, it's lovely.
• 21:59
  He just he just feels like a warm dad like figure.
• 22:03
  And I think you know it's the lazy criticism is always just
• 22:07
  Bradley Walsh Mark to but he's not he's lying, right?
• 22:11
  Yeah. Because I don't think John
• 22:14
  Bishop probably has the chops to sell some of those really
• 22:18
  intense scenes of Bradley washed it.
• 22:20
  Yeah but then I don't think Bradley Walsh is as sort of
• 22:25
  effortlessly likable as John Bishop is absolutely.
• 22:32
  He said he's just another lovely little cat.
• 22:35
  I do. Remember when they announced him
• 22:36
  as Dan the plasterer with that little sting at the end of the
• 22:40
  New Year, special and it just being the most underwhelming,
• 22:52
  he's just getting out. You gotta trade, use it and it's
• 23:05
  like no happy. Just although this site hear
• 23:07
  someone say a very nasty thing about what was it, he started
• 23:12
  off, you know, penniless and he couldn't feed himself and he
• 23:15
  ended up the series homeless. What are Rob?
• 23:20
  I mean, it's very kicking keeping with the current
• 23:23
  government. So I don't know, whether it's a
• 23:25
  political commentary right there, Frosty Davison Charles,
• 23:28
  you've been making that point, you know, but you shrink In
• 23:32
  house? Yeah, I love that.
• 23:34
  So that's probably where they go.
• 23:36
  Sorry. But also the shrinking house to
• 23:40
  me is like a little wrong for the audience of a car.
• 23:42
  It could be the master because they bought back the tissue
• 23:45
  compression and lemonade of the Season before.
• 23:47
  So even thought of that, you know?
• 23:50
  Yeah. So I like the setting up that
• 23:52
  gag where she gives him the else in his hand and goes, there's
• 23:55
  your house, you know, that cover the Easter.
• 23:59
  I didn't quite buy the helmet. I think the helmet looks That
• 24:02
  way it. But I'm glad he takes herself
• 24:04
  because I think this is one of the most fantastic characters,
• 24:09
  this right then in a run full of fantastic characters.
• 24:13
  He's always and, and these two together, as well, it is gold,
• 24:17
  these two together. But they've been the subject of
• 24:19
  some very dirty fan art together.
• 24:21
  Then no, I have fun. Yeah, I'll hang on.
• 24:25
  I think John Bishop, see some of that.
• 24:27
  I think he did. Yeah, I think it was like I'm on
• 24:29
  a TV show. But did I want?
• 24:41
  It's such a cute face that. Yeah.
• 24:44
  When he touches his nose and he goes, all you've done really
• 24:46
  well there but it is, it's a cute face.
• 24:49
  We all love dogs, it's playing with that Russell.
• 24:52
  T Davies thing of You know, making animals sort of but the
• 24:57
  least species but also like the guy that plays it plays it
• 25:01
  completely straight. Like I know there's this comedy
• 25:03
  to it and sells our performance from behind this mask, which,
• 25:07
  you know, and he is a, he is a threat, I love the blue and the
• 25:11
  doctor comes in the spaceship layer and he goes, oh God, what
• 25:14
  do you want? Because they're old mates there
• 25:19
  as well. But one point the doctor and
• 25:22
  yeah boy stur used to travel together Yeah.
• 25:24
  He's or I think they say that he was her first companion as the
• 25:32
  the war. She called The Roof Doctor.
• 25:34
  Yeah, the doctor, it's Cannon shattering stuff.
• 25:40
  Just throw it in very casually. I love just the doctor and Yaz
• 25:47
  together. Now, I don't get her.
• 25:49
  I think her yeas and Dan, that's the best combination that they,
• 25:53
  yeah. If I had But it's really nice
• 25:56
  just to say and it kind of shows you what you said in those
• 26:00
  earlier Seasons. There's just too many onions
• 26:02
  there and she really gets a chance to shine.
• 26:04
  Now, there are fantastic Duo and all of a sudden I'm just like, I
• 26:09
  want I need another season of these two together.
• 26:11
  Hmm. And you know, by the time you
• 26:13
  get to the power of the doctor, you really believe you're
• 26:16
  breaking up like a strong friendship /, more being either
• 26:22
  the Daleks where It sounds just stops and she confesses that she
• 26:27
  has for you. I'll come by later.
• 26:29
  I cannot believe they're going here, I'm glad you're pleased
• 26:33
  that they are. Yeah but not lovely scene on the
• 26:36
  beach you get in Legend of the sea levels.
• 26:39
  Yeah. Which is just, and it's, you
• 26:41
  know, in a way it's not doing anything that the doctor hasn't
• 26:45
  said before. But obviously people yeah, heads
• 26:47
  up about it because they're the sort of people who think the
• 26:50
  doctor should be, either a sexual or is straight which But
• 26:54
  I can tell you right from the Hartnell Doctor.
• 26:56
  I don't think that any of these doctors give off big straight
• 26:59
  alpha male energy. I'll tell you.
• 27:01
  All right. Also, William, hartnell's doctor
• 27:04
  and Nero the semi-naked. So that's together.
• 27:08
  And I will, I go out to before, that camera started rolling.
• 27:13
  It's the only time we've seen him in a sauna and it's with a
• 27:15
  map. Very true, very true.
• 27:17
  He never did, never flirt, actually does flirt a bit with
• 27:20
  Barbara, doesn't it? Really hard.
• 27:23
  I'll be turning in his grave right now.
• 27:26
  There's always been rumors about William Hartnell, and Jack pit,
• 27:31
  who was an extra who William Hartnell used to live with when
• 27:34
  he was state was in London. You told me this before I've
• 27:38
  managed to blocks it from my mind cuz I don't want to think
• 27:41
  not having anal sex. You know he did not look at that
• 27:46
  house. Did you see it?
• 27:52
  Don't always think in the first two years channels.
• 27:55
  Comedy here always are, may I remind you of the Wi-Fi family
• 28:00
  which I do think sometimes it worked a tree this year.
• 28:05
  It's like a gag a minute. I know.
• 28:07
  He's just I feel like he's amped everything up to 11 because he's
• 28:11
  largely writing it himself and I think this is the nearest.
• 28:14
  You get to his version of Doctor Who because the other ones are
• 28:18
  obviously his vision. But he's had this writers room
• 28:21
  where he's Ang in loads of different writers with different
• 28:24
  ideas. And we know that some of those
• 28:25
  writers never delivered scripts but they use Concepts like the
• 28:28
  pting. And then here you go, here's the
• 28:31
  lead writer and probably just for scheduling and to get
• 28:34
  himself a breather, he get somebody to write one other
• 28:37
  episode. Did you hear that interview of
• 28:39
  Joy Wilkinson? It was out recently.
• 28:43
  I don't know what I did, but I know Joy quite well.
• 28:45
  So let and she's talking about how they had to sew all the
• 28:49
  episodes of sort of laid out in the writers room.
• 28:51
  He'll letter. A pitch.
• 28:53
  Yeah yeah. So those are there to choose
• 28:55
  like two or three. I don't know if I pass it.
• 28:58
  I don't think it's the best approach of like okay.
• 29:02
  Well you could be writing any one of these you know sometimes
• 29:06
  I do think the episode should be tailored to the ricer you know
• 29:09
  all the right strings. Well this is tailored to
• 29:12
  chibnall strengths but this is yeah is where where his bestest
• 29:19
  I'll say going to say you guys this run, he's got flux, and
• 29:22
  then he has the two to the three specials afterwards and you
• 29:25
  really get to see, okay? He he's really thought about
• 29:28
  what he's doing where he wants to go.
• 29:29
  Because this is Chris, chibnall is Doctor Who for like nine
• 29:33
  episodes. And he knows like, you know
• 29:35
  what, this is where it's ending as well.
• 29:37
  Yeah, I'm just going to throw everything in.
• 29:40
  Yeah, boy does it. Especially when he got to that
• 29:43
  point in Peril the doctor, where he had the Mast up, stars in to
• 29:46
  rescue in, and Cybermen, and Daleks going.
• 29:48
  What the fuck is going on here? Because I don't do comedy.
• 30:06
  In the Dalek quite possibly, that was Jamie McIntyre Stone
• 30:11
  again. Wasn't it.
• 30:12
  It was yeah, yeah. Now this loop re-think with them
• 30:16
  or each having a human. Why isn't the planet overrun
• 30:20
  with Lou Paris? At this point, what he said?
• 30:23
  There is a line. So I was paying attention.
• 30:25
  He said that he's slipped for a worm or something.
• 30:28
  There was a better technobabble and it's how we got here first,
• 30:32
  right? Okay.
• 30:32
  And then they alter basically ended Everyone else turned up
• 30:35
  late. No after this and what happens,
• 30:39
  like, you know, because people are born all the time that are
• 30:43
  the Paris born at the same rate as humans.
• 30:45
  How does it work? Like I'm really nitpicking to
• 30:48
  pull the pull this apart because much like a lot of Doctor Who
• 30:52
  doesn't stand up to scrutiny that this particular idea, but
• 30:56
  it's something that bugged me on original transmission and I
• 30:59
  guarantee you nobody else, nobody know, casual viewer
• 31:03
  sapna, Going. It's the Paris thing, doesn't
• 31:06
  quite work so we're just going to exactly.
• 31:11
  Also, can I just ask, is this the first time we've ever seen
• 31:18
  someone having a dump on dogs are?
• 31:20
  Oh, I think it might be. What is he saying down on the
• 31:25
  low as well? Yeah, it might be able to sit
• 31:27
  down. Moses is down to way.
• 31:29
  Oh I much prefer a sit-down way. Really?
• 31:32
  Yeah. If I'm at home, I see.
• 31:34
  Down way because I don't want to get it on the seat.
• 31:36
  If I'm out, I'll use your own or but I must be close it down.
• 31:39
  Real Dylan recent times filtered on hamster about sit down.
• 31:47
  We are I'll become sold on the internet.
• 31:50
  Next, this is pure Mafia - isn't it?
• 31:53
  This character just popping off who's going to be relevant later
• 31:55
  ago? No doctor.
• 31:56
  Oh, you don't have. All right, I'm really sorry.
• 32:00
  It is. But what a fantastic?
• 32:02
  We haven't had anything like this for two seasons.
• 32:04
  And so, I think it's important to remember that a casual viewer
• 32:07
  who's shooting in, won't remember that they were remember
• 32:10
  that time the timey-wimey version of Doctor Who that was
• 32:13
  on at this point five or six years ago and with really
• 32:17
  trusted as well because, obviously, she gets that amazing
• 32:20
  scene in a minute where the Angel takes her back in time and
• 32:24
  then we don't see her again 2 episode 4, and we're trusted and
• 32:28
  I love it. When the audience is trusted in
• 32:31
  episode 4, to remember from episode 1, It's only a couple of
• 32:35
  weeks ago if you're watching this stuff, you know?
• 32:37
  Oh yeah, that's her. That's what.
• 32:38
  This is where she win. Yeah.
• 32:41
  I also I said to under one of our previous commentaries about
• 32:46
  using Sheffield and here Liverpool just seeing just
• 32:50
  seeing the Tardis in those environments.
• 32:51
  It's like and then you've got, you know, we're in Alaska
• 32:55
  earlier very briefly and it's like it just gives a sort of
• 32:59
  scope to the series that you don't get in.
• 33:03
  I would say as the show, Is finding its feet in sort of
• 33:05
  series 1. 2 3. It's very much, London space.
• 33:09
  Victorian era card, if it's not even planets is space-age.
• 33:13
  That's why didn't this as well? You get, you know, that Silas
• 33:19
  Temple about repulse. Oh my God, you know, in Once
• 33:22
  Upon time, we go into that, Wiggly wobbly place, where the
• 33:25
  doctors floating about all those planets that are hostages
• 33:29
  sucking people to. Sorry there is Huge Scopes is
• 33:36
  all. I think there's a story because
• 33:38
  this is one story really isn't it with this amount of sort of
• 33:43
  geographical Scopes here. Yeah.
• 33:45
  Yeah, not as well. It does.
• 33:47
  This is why a contemporary story and we get a fabulous in the
• 33:52
  future story and we get to brilliant in the past stories so
• 33:58
  it covers the old ground of Doctor Who as well.
• 34:01
  Yeah, it but it's what it does very cleverly Is chop them all
• 34:05
  up for the most part. So you get all the things Doctor
• 34:08
  Who always does but not necessarily in the normal order.
• 34:12
  Yeah, it's fantastic. And I think this Tardis set
• 34:16
  looks brilliant by this point as well.
• 34:18
  I don't think it looked fantastic in the first season,
• 34:21
  but it's her second and third. I think it was great and I both
• 34:25
  they've learned how to shoot it. Yeah.
• 34:27
  And light it really well but also I think they're just really
• 34:31
  comfortable in there. There's a there's a sequence at
• 34:33
  the end where She's banging it with the hammer and, you know,
• 34:36
  and it's just, like, tenant and Smith and all the others doing
• 34:40
  exactly the same thing, you know.
• 34:41
  Yeah. This bit with the angel and I
• 34:45
  think I think this season gives us some of the finest weeping
• 34:49
  angels. Now this leaks did miss this.
• 34:53
  It was like a Set photo of this angel in the street.
• 34:56
  So we knew and then Steven Moffat was like yeah they're
• 34:59
  back and Chip will immediately make made him.
• 35:02
  Take it down from his Instagram. I'm still not entirely sure why
• 35:08
  I was so reluctant. Yeah, I think there's there's
• 35:12
  the biggest misfire of the era for me is sort of, I don't want
• 35:17
  to use the term marketing because it won an award for its
• 35:19
  marketing. But I think its relationship
• 35:23
  with its audience beyond the story, like it's just and it's
• 35:28
  also, we've been used to having Chris chibnall not Christian, or
• 35:30
  sorry with Steven Moffat, and Rusty Davis who was showman who?
• 35:35
  A big names and faces of a brand and Christian over on the whole
• 35:39
  just isn't interested in doing that.
• 35:40
  Which is fine. It's not necessarily part of
• 35:42
  your job as a television show runner, but I just think that
• 35:48
  the lead comes from him in that respect and so there isn't the
• 35:52
  Grandeur and the relationship and the big events that I think
• 35:57
  bringing your audience and get people fight about the series.
• 36:00
  And it's something that here you, you said I'll see the and
• 36:04
  Steven Moffat are they think Steven Moffat hero sort of fluid
• 36:07
  with a lot of that stuff? I thought they sort of fell away
• 36:10
  a bit as time went on Rusty. Davies just a master of that,
• 36:14
  isn't it? I'm going to give you two
• 36:16
  spin-offs. I'm going to put, you know,
• 36:18
  Dalek fruits in your Supermarket, totally Doctor, Who
• 36:23
  Doctor Who confidential, you know, blue Peter.
• 36:28
  He just knew how to play it and he knew how to put it everywhere
• 36:31
  so everyone was aware of it. And I like you know, when he was
• 36:36
  promoting nollie recently and he was doing the rounds of, you
• 36:38
  know, it was on Graham Norton and things like that because
• 36:41
  he's a big enough name that you can do that man.
• 36:43
  But I honestly think that we were used to seeing him as fans,
• 36:47
  but I honestly think in this next era of RTD here, uses
• 36:51
  biggest are almost as the people in it and you will see him do
• 36:54
  the chat, show circuits and things like that, to promote the
• 36:56
  hell out the show. I'll certainly hope.
• 36:58
  So, he's fabulous to it. Also, you know, athletes
• 37:01
  marvelous, isn't it, you know, Could listen to him talk for
• 37:05
  hours, and hours and hours. He's amazing.
• 37:07
  Oh, word. Can I just say instant even do
• 37:10
  is just turn up. That's right.
• 37:12
  Now, things are here in our van, in my head.
• 37:17
  What have you ever seen Great Game of Thrones?
• 37:20
  Yes, I have. Yes, yes.
• 37:21
  It's bits out in that, you know, I thought they got done, they
• 37:24
  get cut off. I'll do, they often are the
• 37:28
  unsullied and they cut their dicks.
• 37:29
  I think they know, isn't he? The one?
• 37:31
  Where is it gets burst? I can't remember, I can't
• 37:34
  remember they all Bill died. Horribly you see, even the
• 37:37
  buffets got enough. He's a, he's a very handsome
• 37:40
  chap. He's also a variant.
• 37:42
  Very talented musician. Well, I think he's also very
• 37:46
  naturalistic actor as well. He's great.
• 37:49
  He is asked to deliver a shit ton of exposition in this scene.
• 37:53
  This is my biggest complaint with the era.
• 37:56
  Is Christian new, Exposition which are through is
• 37:59
  occasionally a little bit awkward and he has to get tired
• 38:03
  next week where he is, what he's doing?
• 38:06
  What's coming is? So he delivers it.
• 38:11
  So Charming me that I'm sold. Yeah.
• 38:15
  Unless he's, yeah, he's an actor that I could see in a different
• 38:22
  time, getting a spin-off because he could lead a show.
• 38:26
  Why easily? Now we've just seen the
• 38:28
  beautiful effect of the flux destroying these planets, but
• 38:31
  this was called Outpost Rose. So, Q Twitter going, oh my God,
• 38:35
  Rose is coming back. Rose is coming back.
• 38:37
  Did it did you think that at any point for a moment?
• 38:39
  No me neither, no, but I did think this scene was really
• 38:45
  fucking scary. If I woke up in the middle of
• 38:48
  the night and that fellow was standing there in the doorway
• 38:51
  like that. And the way she plays is well
• 38:54
  where she starts screaming. This is like a scene from a
• 38:57
  horror movie. Yeah it is.
• 38:59
  Absolutely. And again you couldn't have got
• 39:01
  away with this 15 years ago because the show so confident,
• 39:04
  now it knows the extremes of scares.
• 39:07
  It can go to that are still safe for kids to watch for in series
• 39:11
  of living. When people were saying, ouch, a
• 39:13
  is playing it safe. This is the safest Doctor Who's
• 39:16
  been forever. Almost always.
• 39:18
  Have you read that comment, right?
• 39:21
  Yeah, six episodes interlinked with.
• 39:24
  I'm going to screw continent lie.
• 39:26
  And the way these people we saw it with the people from the
• 39:29
  division earlier just burn a wave like they're literally been
• 39:31
  burnt out of existence but it's a Sci-Fi burn so it's scary and
• 39:35
  you get that, it's an end, but without it, you know, being a
• 39:39
  human in Flames. Yeah, it's a really, really
• 39:43
  interesting effect as well, isn't it?
• 39:45
  Yeah. I don't think there's a line.
• 39:48
  This this is a weakness. There's not a line that explains
• 39:51
  why she's here. I mean, I think it was just to
• 39:54
  keep them heat them as far apart as possible, so he's imprisoned,
• 39:57
  she's basically been hitting it as a human in Alaska and the far
• 40:02
  reaches of Alaska. Like I hope that you need the
• 40:04
  line. I think you can pick it up.
• 40:06
  Well, Chris chibnall provided the line for me in the special
• 40:09
  features on the flux Blu-ray set.
• 40:11
  All right out and got yet. He said that she was she was
• 40:15
  basically in like a Some protection.
• 40:17
  You know, right? That's why they gave of the guys
• 40:19
  and took away our memory and all this.
• 40:21
  So yeah, yeah, effectively what you just said there but I don't
• 40:26
  know. Like because you had those two
• 40:27
  scenes and I'm like, at the end of this camel, the hell was that
• 40:31
  all about? Thank you.
• 40:33
  Yeah. Oh, anything now, on this carbon
• 40:37
  is to ship with the doctor and yeas old, Absolute Comedy, girl
• 40:41
  VC, you know, it's really basic as she gets to say that line
• 40:45
  from Christopher Eccleston. And is she nice to meet you?
• 40:47
  Dan, run for your life? Yeah.
• 40:50
  Now, do you think this is the shows more confident now, but I
• 40:56
  want to know, could you show this to someone that doesn't
• 40:58
  really know what Doctor Who is without some explanations.
• 41:08
  I probably wouldn't choose this. No, I think this is a bit dense.
• 41:12
  Say you are going to introduce you to this fabulous show washes
• 41:15
  F-series, the flux. But I think there are
• 41:18
  explanations in there if you're patient.
• 41:20
  Yeah yeah no I think you're right.
• 41:23
  But I think yeah it's difficult. I think if you'd see if you seen
• 41:28
  the season before then you're absolutely equipped with enough.
• 41:33
  The age of the sort of Canon or the shattered cabin, to kind of
• 41:37
  go forward with it. Because boy, is there a lot of
• 41:40
  exposition in that the time these children and Beyond such
• 41:45
  an argument with Frasier, Gregory about that evil likes
• 41:47
  to, she was wonderful. I'm kind it's a bloody
• 41:50
  PowerPoint presentation for 20 minutes while the doctors banged
• 41:53
  up. I mean, I'm sure I've said this
• 41:55
  to you before, but the fact that they get got the word
• 41:57
  sheboygan's on prime-time British television in the year
• 42:01
  of Our Lord 2020. Or whatever it was.
• 42:03
  I am I am there. I don't care how its position
• 42:07
  is. I'm just like it's a win for
• 42:09
  fandom. I just want the fact that he
• 42:11
  managed to bring in The Morbid stopped watching.
• 42:16
  I was watching that episode when it went out live with a mate of
• 42:19
  mine, who's very staunch, Classic series, doesn't
• 42:22
  particularly loved a lot of the new series and it's surprisingly
• 42:26
  even he was like he's done the fucking morbius doctors, this is
• 42:29
  amazing, we went to the pub afterwards and he would just in
• 42:31
  B, he was like who I would have thought you would see that on
• 42:34
  television ever, even finishing the time, this children,
• 42:38
  knowing, and saying to my partner at the time, that's
• 42:42
  really good. I've really enjoyed that and
• 42:45
  then went lion and I was like, well I still love it
• 42:51
  unapologetically. So I like it a lot.
• 42:53
  I think it's good doctor who I'm not sure.
• 42:58
  It's good television. Yeah, you do.
• 43:01
  You know what? It's the nearest.
• 43:02
  The In series gets to be feeling like extended Universal to stuff
• 43:08
  which I guess is what it appeals to be.
• 43:10
  Like it's almost big finish on TV in a way, I mean, yeah, we're
• 43:13
  going back to Gallifrey and we've got Cybermen and the
• 43:15
  Milestone terribly exotic things going on.
• 43:18
  We could have a dark of infinity again, you know, that's kinda
• 43:21
  Lounge of Rassilon that around. It looks like an advertising
• 43:25
  agency from the 80s. He sort of globe lights.
• 43:28
  They've got enough but the thing is, we're still do.
• 43:33
  In retirement children here and we're still doing Gallifreyan
• 43:36
  myth us but it's just done. Slightly more subtly in a
• 43:39
  different way, so it's not hitting you over the head with
• 43:42
  it. I mean we get Tech taehoon later
• 43:44
  in the series so it's not like it just drops it.
• 43:48
  Now interestingly enough, that's the one point where I thought
• 43:51
  the exposition was really good and that's because Barbara Flynn
• 43:53
  is fucking hit. Give her a big finish box set.
• 43:57
  Give me the adventures of saito's to out all that chippers
• 44:01
  sfx position. Like a box set with the tiny
• 44:04
  little, the young Asian Doctor Who's in the Timeless children.
• 44:07
  For for think he took a drag on a fag at the end as well, you
• 44:10
  know, like, oh this is easy. I'll do cracker, you know, you
• 44:14
  know, but she said initially about, she's after calvinist up
• 44:21
  because he is a man, he was a member of the division and
• 44:25
  that's just left there and then we don't pick that up until we
• 44:30
  go to the division later. Isn't it is in And the Weeping
• 44:33
  Angel episode. Yeah, yeah, example to trust.
• 44:36
  I really love that. I hey, shows that explain if,
• 44:40
  you know, pip and James scripts that explain everything as they
• 44:42
  get along, you know, sometimes twice, you know, they've got the
• 44:46
  correct mcgahren was, not to did not switch on his translator,
• 44:49
  you know, I think. Also at this point Doctor Who
• 44:56
  may not have the world's biggest audience, but it has a solid
• 44:58
  audience and it is 45 million people.
• 45:00
  Tune in every week and I know people Ergo.
• 45:03
  It isn't it, isn't it isn't success, it's a success but I'm
• 45:07
  assuming it's the same four or five million people and like it
• 45:10
  might deprive million one week because everybody's out and they
• 45:12
  watch on iPlayer later but that goes.
• 45:15
  Okay, we've got 5 million people who really want to watch this
• 45:18
  show and they've been with it now for probably 15 years.
• 45:21
  However, long the show's been back, so we can trust people
• 45:24
  with pots because they understand the language of
• 45:27
  Television, which has changed a lot just from when Doctor Who
• 45:30
  came back and I didn't they Austin, No Doctor Who and they
• 45:34
  know it's all going to get wrapped up by the end of the
• 45:36
  season, but they are picking up the bits.
• 45:38
  Like as bigger along, even sort of how fickle and audience can
• 45:42
  be. The fact, the five million
• 45:44
  people offer, 13 series, still world's this because I lo shows
• 45:49
  in there, you know, 10th year that were diving down.
• 45:52
  So we know 1 million viewers, you know, Leslie, even and solid
• 45:58
  numbers. And also, it's not just about
• 46:01
  the overnight. Somebody gets in the first month
• 46:03
  This is something that the BBC are going to sell them.
• 46:05
  People, you continue to watch again and again and again the
• 46:09
  years and years on end. It's about.
• 46:11
  It's an investment of like this is a, this is a product that's
• 46:14
  last for like no. Well, that was expecting to ever
• 46:16
  see the underwater Venice again after it was broadcast.
• 46:19
  It was a made as a bit of disclosure way that we exactly.
• 46:23
  And I've fooled Dylan. It's, you know, people talk
• 46:27
  about the intake of kids and how kids don't watch Doctor anymore.
• 46:32
  It's time Watch television kids watch YouTube Doctor, Who's one
• 46:35
  of the few shows that kids still chewed into and that it's no
• 46:38
  wonder that parties in sent. Yeah, but RTD said recently that
• 46:42
  they can't get the money for a kid spin-off, because kids are
• 46:44
  watching TV. So but the fact that they still
• 46:47
  want to watch this and I know that our TV somewhere is going,
• 46:50
  right, how do we get kids into this?
• 46:52
  And I bet you there's a spin off the ends up being like that
• 46:55
  doomsday, spin-off aimed at kids, five minutes on YouTube.
• 46:59
  Let's see if we get the kids involved and getting watching
• 47:01
  the main show. A Savvy enough, isn't it?
• 47:04
  Yeah. Just that, you know, the kitty
• 47:06
  Doctor Who Tick Tock Channel. Yeah.
• 47:12
  But like what you said about re-watch ability there, I'm not
• 47:15
  lying. When I say, I've watched this
• 47:17
  for about four or five times now.
• 47:18
  Yeah, me too. I think this is such an Eclectic
• 47:21
  sort of portmanteau of ingredients.
• 47:24
  There's so much in this, there's so much comedy and horror and
• 47:28
  drama and collecting moments and Brill characters that are I
• 47:32
  never get bored. There's just too much happening.
• 47:35
  And I tell you what, I think at some point in the next three or
• 47:39
  four years, all of Doctor Who's going to end up on Disney plus.
• 47:42
  And I think, when people, once they've got people in, I think
• 47:45
  with the first few seasons of gas where you'll be able to get
• 47:47
  everything, and I think this is one that people will like
• 47:51
  audiences worldwide. You haven't seen it will Swatch
• 47:53
  and fall in love with the gun. Oh doctor who hasn't just been
• 47:56
  brilliant from you know 20 24. It's been brilliant forever and
• 48:01
  it was doing fantastic. Modern amazing sort of
• 48:04
  Television, like, during the pandemic.
• 48:07
  It's exactly what happened with Deep Space Nine over in the Star
• 48:12
  Trek World in that it was sort of like the Forgotten middle
• 48:15
  child and then it hit Netflix where people could watch it and
• 48:18
  it was all based. Yeah.
• 48:20
  And everyone's just loved it. And they were like this is like
• 48:22
  this was Modern television, 20 years ago.
• 48:25
  You know, we've got to talk about the sontarans coming in
• 48:28
  here. There's some tires.
• 48:31
  Are the new series? That's Sometimes ever, I'm
• 48:33
  saying, they look really isn't and they are that perfect mix of
• 48:38
  Menace and humor and we all knew they were coming up in the next
• 48:43
  episode but nobody expected to see them here.
• 48:46
  So it was just like all of a sudden were like, okay
• 48:48
  everything's a little bit more into link than we thought it was
• 48:51
  going to be, you know, they look, Dylan it, look,
• 48:54
  disgusting, disgusting. I'm about Nathan go oh no, chip
• 49:01
  was doing the sontarans is The make them really serious and and
• 49:05
  then he watched her and he went fuck me.
• 49:08
  They were funny. They are really the line in the
• 49:11
  water sometimes where he goes but I wanted to ride a horse
• 49:15
  it's so funny. I love that bit.
• 49:19
  I think the sort of a lot of misapprehensions about the
• 49:21
  sontarans because if you watch it's a fucking Warrior, they're
• 49:26
  funny the only time they're not funny as the two doctors and
• 49:29
  their shit and that's no hang on wait.
• 49:32
  Among these take it objection to this.
• 49:34
  Did the funniest joke in the two dogs as they're so serious,
• 49:37
  you're right. But in that poor fellow's
• 49:39
  emasculated he's blown up, he's covered in acid his leg flies
• 49:43
  off. So I oh no, this Paul military
• 49:47
  leader. What x can possibly happen to
• 49:49
  him the retreat. Humanism poking that serious
• 49:53
  bubble of it. All, she's gonna do it because
• 49:57
  during our hand thing, yeah, she sort of moves around when she's
• 50:01
  talking. Oh I love the way she moves her
• 50:02
  hands and it's can Trevor its this episode or the next one.
• 50:05
  I think it's the next one. So I'm going to save it when she
• 50:07
  doesn't introduction and just kind of moves moves our hands
• 50:11
  behind the head to introduce in the next one, silence that.
• 50:13
  Anyway, so we got to have this thing where they open the doors
• 50:18
  and the new companion, stared out into space, and long, and
• 50:22
  long way. Last, it's such a simple thing
• 50:24
  as well, but the classics It never did and I think is it when
• 50:28
  do we first? Get it in the new series it's in
• 50:32
  the Runaway Bride, I think. Yeah.
• 50:33
  So on the rack NOS. Yeah.
• 50:36
  So even takes a couple of series for the new series to go.
• 50:38
  Okay, we can do this but visually now that's on the
• 50:41
  camera was going around the Tardis whilst they were standing
• 50:44
  in. It it felt very real.
• 50:46
  Oh yeah, it's gorgeous. At the flux here.
• 50:50
  Now I'm going to try and figure this out as we go along, right?
• 50:52
  Because the flux is, it's a bit like the nothing in The
• 50:56
  Neverending Story. So it goes along and consumes
• 50:59
  everything. Yeah.
• 51:00
  And it's basically going after the doctor, I think so.
• 51:05
  Yeah, I think it's I mean, I think it's going after
• 51:08
  everything, but it's somehow tied into swarmin Azzurri, I
• 51:12
  think Thanks Barbara. Finn says, I basically this
• 51:16
  universe is over. Yeah, the reason is over is
• 51:19
  because you've been fucking everywhere and spoiling
• 51:21
  everything. Well be, have a plan going on
• 51:23
  and you can, they're fucking out.
• 51:25
  So he sent out the flocks to destroy that Universe.
• 51:28
  Do you know what I was? Hoping would happen.
• 51:30
  At the end of Jodie, Whittaker, Sera is that whoever the new
• 51:33
  doctor was, obviously, it turned out to be tenant left this
• 51:37
  universe. This dying universe and went
• 51:40
  into that second universe, and you start again.
• 51:43
  That would be really great. Yeah, as you can you can really
• 51:47
  boost the entire Series without actually read and there could be
• 51:50
  versions of other people before you know.
• 51:53
  Yeah, Earth of course. Yeah, but this is slightly
• 51:56
  different to that because it's not the full reboot.
• 51:59
  It's an in Canon reboot, if you know what I mean, a bit like
• 52:02
  when the doctor goes into the Divergent Universe in the
• 52:06
  eighth, doctor audios when you were stressing doing, you know,
• 52:09
  new versions of old black-and-white stories, you
• 52:12
  know, with a big budget It tax returns.
• 52:14
  My audience had heart attacks. You know, I've numbers dipped a
• 52:17
  bit that way, I'll check it. Look guys, I work in film and
• 52:21
  television just hope that I never get my hands on dr.
• 52:23
  Do you think chibnall fuck things up for you?
• 52:27
  Oh boy. A car long for the day.
• 52:29
  You know, look at swarms makeup. I know it's beautiful.
• 52:35
  Such a cheater. Don't give off big Lawrence Fox
• 52:38
  5's though. Doesn't it?
• 52:39
  It does appear. Yeah, yeah.
• 52:42
  Just as evil as As well. Exactly Justice entitled.
• 52:48
  And just all of the they've got their costume designer, right?
• 52:51
  I wore the sontarans and the amount of detail it gives you
• 52:54
  about all the guess I took me five days to do embroider that.
• 52:58
  So, you know, this feels like a finale.
• 53:05
  This is episode 1 as a finale. And Obviously got this point
• 53:10
  where the doctor tries to hit it, hit the flux with Vortex
• 53:14
  energy and in any other series, that would be had the story
• 53:17
  finished because it's the ultimate sort of
• 53:20
  get-out-of-jail-free card. And I just love that.
• 53:24
  It's sort of going, we all know that you guys think that this is
• 53:27
  what how you end a story but actually, not even the vortex
• 53:31
  energy can stop this. Yeah, I really like that because
• 53:35
  they've used they've color used the heart of the TARDIS a couple
• 53:37
  of times. Now, over there as the calotte
• 53:40
  II, I did like it the first time they used it back in the day
• 53:43
  Boomtown and oh yeah, I thought that was spectacular but the way
• 53:49
  the flux just sort of bats it aside and goes night, I'm still
• 53:52
  coming for you. Yeah, it's I don't know what,
• 53:56
  this take some confidence is what in the middle of this
• 53:58
  Massive Action sequence. We cut to all because I'm going
• 54:01
  to be late for Diane. We come on.
• 54:03
  On this Dark, Lonely Street. And this is really scary scene.
• 54:09
  Number one, two, three, four, four.
• 54:11
  Yeah. Let she can't stop her legs from
• 54:14
  taking her into that creepy ass house.
• 54:16
  But also I don't know how many dates you've ever been on that.
• 54:20
  Over-involved beating outside a dark abandoned house but mine is
• 54:25
  a grand total of zero right? He Parks you know tour Could
• 54:33
  that there without her silhouetted in the light of the
• 54:36
  door? It's fantastic.
• 54:37
  And this doctor who feels at home on a Halloween.
• 54:41
  I know this isn't exactly a Halloween special but forget
• 54:43
  Christmas special give me Doctor Who Halloween specials every
• 54:46
  year. And I just remembered this being
• 54:48
  really freaky because she goes into the house and then she's in
• 54:52
  water. Yeah, some weird Quarry space.
• 54:55
  I know it's just like big Ideas like I really want to compliment
• 55:02
  the what the actress's name that plays as you.
• 55:09
  Yeah that one. Yeah we'll figure out between
• 55:12
  it. She's I think she's the scarier
• 55:16
  of the two. Yeah just how she very quietly
• 55:19
  goes. You know we're going to have fun
• 55:21
  with you. Yeah he creepy and she's about
• 55:25
  to make her life completely hairless just for our own
• 55:27
  enjoyment. Yeah.
• 55:30
  And this is like to all the pieces are kind of in place.
• 55:33
  Now, we've been introduced, the flux, we've been introduced to
• 55:35
  the Lipari, I think the idea that their ships can interlock
• 55:40
  has been juice as well. I mean, look at that affect Star
• 55:44
  Wars. Good.
• 55:44
  That is, I mean, it reminded me of when Doctor Who came back and
• 55:49
  also Battlestar Galactica, the reboot was on and I remember
• 55:53
  watching the reboot Battlestar Galactica and get a doctor who
• 55:56
  doesn't look as good as this top to can't do this.
• 55:58
  And now, here we are. I think it's just going to get
• 56:02
  better as well. Me too me, too.
• 56:04
  I think it has to if it's going to Disney plus it has to sit
• 56:08
  alongside shows like the Mandalorian and things like
• 56:11
  that, but all those Marvel shows.
• 56:14
  So it has to look as good as them.
• 56:16
  But in terms of production value, our think this is the
• 56:19
  best to show has looked to this point.
• 56:23
  Yeah, I don't think, I don't think anybody can argue with
• 56:27
  that. I mean, somebody will is Doctor
• 56:28
  Who fandom, but Yeah, I just don't see it and you don't love
• 56:33
  what you got. Three sets of doors open but
• 56:38
  also bike. Just the Menace of the flock,
• 56:41
  sort of just hurtling towards them, and it's such a, in many
• 56:46
  ways. A simple special effects, but it
• 56:48
  just looks so alien. And we're going to say that a
• 56:52
  lot. You know, it looks weird.
• 56:54
  I Love Weed in science fiction. You know, it's the weirdest
• 56:58
  looking season of Doctor, Who that At some point when we get
• 57:01
  on to the next episode. Like the way that opens is just
• 57:04
  a whole, a whole nother world. This is the pit and, you know,
• 57:10
  we haven't even mentioned a second, a canola, and his music
• 57:13
  for out. Oh my god, I've bought the score
• 57:15
  for this and it I think it's brilliant.
• 57:17
  But the strings that he brings in in this bit, now, we're,
• 57:23
  we're cross-cutting to every single character lining up and
• 57:27
  going. This, it's a real flight mission
• 57:29
  statement of we're back. To take you on a massive
• 57:31
  adventure. With all of these characters in
• 57:33
  the races, you think. This is exciting.
• 57:36
  You haven't seen anything yet, baby.
• 57:37
  Alright. And then bang out with her
• 57:41
  saying, I, you know, I always wondered what the ends of the
• 57:43
  universe would look like. Yeah, absolutely.
• 57:46
  Gu sweet, barely talked about Jodie, Whittaker in that, you
• 57:49
  know, how many miss it? There's a lot to talk about and
• 57:51
  there's a lot going on and it's the big one of the busiest
• 57:54
  episodes because it's setting everything up.
• 57:56
  I think she gets some moments later down the line that are All
• 58:00
  sort of doctor is performance moments will come.
• 58:03
  I'll let you into a little spoiler then for episode 2, go
• 58:06
  on. You remember, I said to you,
• 58:08
  that, I thought Jody whiskers best performers ever was in one
• 58:12
  of the episodes this year. Okay.
• 58:14
  I think it's in water sontarans. I think she's of a brilliant
• 58:21
  episode. She is the best thing in that
• 58:23
  episode. I think you're probably right as
• 58:26
  she gives a fantastic performance, and she does
• 58:29
  throughout the season, but Yeah, shit said her return.
• 58:32
  She's got a big dock energy as I like to call this wi-fi that
• 58:37
  point I should discuss the range.
• 58:39
  That's what I love. The whole red comedy to drama to
• 58:42
  discussed as if you get cheeky, well, till it.
• 58:48
  That's the Halloween apocalypse down the honk, twice, the next
• 58:53
  five hours. You know what we better?
• 58:57
  Get started. Shall we do that?
• 58:58
  Yes, let's do it.