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Former Braves PC Leo Mazzone honors Bobby Cox with epic stories · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: While we get ready for our next guest, I do
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  Speaker 1: want to spend a minute talking about Bobby Cox, who
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  Speaker 1: passed away at the age of eighty four over the weekend.
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  Speaker 1: A legend in our sport in a variety of ways.
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  Speaker 1: Super successful as not just a manager, he was a GM.
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  Speaker 1: He had just an illustrious career, super well respected, real
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  Speaker 1: talk ejections, all time leader in a category that probably
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  Speaker 1: will never be passed because of all the replays. Now,
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  Speaker 1: is anybody going to get to one sixty two? I
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  Speaker 1: feel like iname.
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  Speaker 2: Aaron Boone's is gonna be the closest, and.
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  Speaker 1: He's probably at what like forty I'll look it up
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  Speaker 1: while we're chatting. But anyway, Bobby Cox thoughts on the
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  Speaker 1: late great and obviously you spent some time in the
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  Speaker 1: Braves organization. Was he around?
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  Speaker 2: He was?
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  Speaker 3: He was.
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  Speaker 2: He was awesome. He'd come in and just sit in
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  Speaker 2: Freddigan's Austin Snit's office and talk, come in sit in
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  Speaker 2: the gout with us.
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  Speaker 3: He was.
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  Speaker 2: He was awesome to talk to. He was one of
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  Speaker 2: those guys. I wish I would have got to play
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  Speaker 2: play play for him, because I think it would have
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  Speaker 2: been awesome. The stories I heard about spring training. He'd
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  Speaker 2: come to spring training and he would be around. So
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  Speaker 2: I just I think it would have been really cool
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  Speaker 2: to get the opportunity play for him because the way
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  Speaker 2: he treated the players, and he would literally just say, hey,
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  Speaker 2: just make sure you were ready to go for the game.
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  Speaker 2: That was kind of ready to go for the season.
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  Speaker 2: That was a big spring training speel. The only thing
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  Speaker 2: Bobby and I would have not not agreed on was
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  Speaker 2: he did not like kids in the clubhouse. He was
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  Speaker 2: very anti kids in the clubhous And so I'm thankful
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  Speaker 2: that Freddy eventually let my kid into the clubhouse and
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  Speaker 2: then kind of other guys got to bring their kids
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  Speaker 2: in the clubhouse. Sure, but Bobby was As a matter
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  Speaker 2: of fact, Ken Griffy Junior allegedly was supposed to sign
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  Speaker 2: with the Braves one time, but because of the no
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  Speaker 2: kids in the clubhouse, he did.
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  Speaker 1: Not, right, I remember you told that story.
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  Speaker 3: So listen.
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  Speaker 2: That was the one thing we would have had a
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  Speaker 2: problem with. But other than that, every story I heard
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  Speaker 2: about him. Had to wear your hat forward, had to
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  Speaker 2: show the a, had to put your glasses on the back,
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  Speaker 2: had to wear a VP top for batting practice every
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  Speaker 2: day with pants. You had to look the part. There
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  Speaker 2: were days, trust me, where I was like, gosh, can
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  Speaker 2: we just wear shorts? It's a thousand degrees in Atlanta?
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  Speaker 2: Can we just wear shorts? But it was a brave way,
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  Speaker 2: and so you had to get you know, the short
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  Speaker 2: pants and all that. But nothing but respect for Bobby
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  Speaker 2: Cox and his family, all the people that came after.
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  Speaker 2: You know, a Snit and Freddy Gonzalez. There are both
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  Speaker 2: Bobby Cox disciples. He's gonna be missed. He was an
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  Speaker 2: awesome gentleman and uh truly you know, not only a
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  Speaker 2: blue Jay. People forget he was a blue Jay, but
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  Speaker 2: probably I mean, he'll go down as I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to to mean, the best praise manager of all time.
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  Speaker 2: I would say, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He let the players play like you're saying.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, like he had to.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I had there so many stories ready for
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  Speaker 2: Shipper and those guys, Yes, we have the story Andrew.
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  Speaker 2: They would say, hey, Bobby, he's he said something to me. Bobby,
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  Speaker 2: he wouldn't even know. They were like, Bobby be like
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  Speaker 2: sitting over there, not even paying attention. And some player
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  Speaker 2: would come in and say, hey, Bobby, did you hear
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  Speaker 2: what the Empire said, and he just run out there
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  Speaker 2: and get ejected for no good reason.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's ask Leomazoni about it. I hear he's ready
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  Speaker 1: to go Braves Hall of Fame or longtime pitching coach Leo.
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  Speaker 1: It's great to have you on. Thank you so much
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  Speaker 1: for joining us and for just doing some public appearances
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  Speaker 1: right now to share stories about Bobby. I think it's important,
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  Speaker 1: especially for the youngsters out there, even teenagers who really
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  Speaker 1: didn't experience any bravest baseball with Bobby Cox. So first off,
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  Speaker 1: sorry for your loss, and can you just start it
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  Speaker 1: off with I don't know, maybe your favorite Bobby Cox story,
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  Speaker 1: just to tell everyone how amazing he was.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think that well career rise. My favorite story
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  Speaker 3: is was when he committed said he was going to
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  Speaker 3: turn offensive ore ended organization to a pitching one. So
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  Speaker 3: naturally I like that type of philosophy, right, But you know,
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  Speaker 3: some of the greatest stories were, you know, he had
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  Speaker 3: a feel for everything. You know, it's hard to describe.
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  Speaker 3: You can't teach what he had, you know, and it
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  Speaker 3: was a great communication with players, front office, the farm system.
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  Speaker 3: I worked very closely with him from eighty six to
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  Speaker 3: ninety one or to ninety in the player in the
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  Speaker 3: farm system with pictures developing pictures and this sort of thing. So,
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  Speaker 3: but Bobby was a guy that had a great sense
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  Speaker 3: of humor, you know. I mean there was a lot
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  Speaker 3: of times when uh, you know, well, for example, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we were in Wrigley Field and we had a tough
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  Speaker 3: day and it was knockdown, drag out four four in
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  Speaker 3: the eighth and Bobby said to me, he goes, you know,
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  Speaker 3: Leo goes, I'm gonna have to have a coffee. This
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  Speaker 3: game's driving me nuts. I said, you can't have coffee, Bobby.
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  Speaker 3: I said, you know you're going to have a heart attack.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you don't need caffeine. And he goes, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I do. He goes, what would you like? I said, well,
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  Speaker 3: the way this game is going, I'd like to have
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  Speaker 3: a beer, and he goes, he called up and said,
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  Speaker 3: send me down a coffee. And sending Leo down a beer,
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  Speaker 3: the clubhouse kid said what he goes, put the beer
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  Speaker 3: in a in a paper cup with a lid on it.
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  Speaker 3: You know. So we get coffee and I got a
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  Speaker 3: beer sitting on my hand, you know, and I'm looking
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  Speaker 3: around and Bobby says, we'll drink the damn thing, you know,
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  Speaker 3: And I said, well I will, but I can't chug it.
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  Speaker 3: I said, it's supposed to be coffee. Well, we end
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  Speaker 3: up winning the game five to four, okay, So he
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  Speaker 3: didn't say nothing. I didn't say nothing. Next day, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I know he's superstitious. So the next day we're in
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  Speaker 3: a tie game again, and here he goes, send me
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  Speaker 3: down a coffee, Send Leo down a beer. Here comes
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  Speaker 3: to coffee, Here comes the beer. We brought in Kent
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  Speaker 3: Murker in relief in the bottom of the ninth and
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  Speaker 3: the Cubs back up catcher was Hector Villanueva at the time.
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  Speaker 3: He takes Mark deep, we lose, and Bobby tore up
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  Speaker 3: the lineup card and threw it at me and said,
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  Speaker 3: that's the last beer you'll ever have, and it's duck out.
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  Speaker 3: So you know, I mean, just stuff like that. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: he was the manager that when I first got there, Hey, Leo,
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  Speaker 3: put your thinking cap on. I said, yeah, what's up?
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  Speaker 3: He goes, well, he said pitcher could come up with
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  Speaker 3: the bases loaded to the silver thing with two outs,
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  Speaker 3: we got decide where the pinch hit or not. It
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  Speaker 3: was a fifth inning when he told me that, and
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  Speaker 3: I sat there and went, I'm locked in on the
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  Speaker 3: fifth right. So anyhow, things like that. But here's what
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  Speaker 3: Bobby did extremely well. He made you feel important. He
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  Speaker 3: made everybody feel important, regardless of whether you were a player,
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  Speaker 3: coach man, the farm system, people at the ballpark, the
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  Speaker 3: guys taking the tickets, everything, grounds crew. And he had
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  Speaker 3: time for everybody, so you know, and that rubbed off
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  Speaker 3: on everybody in the clubhouse. And you know, his clubhouse
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  Speaker 3: to me, was the way it should be run. You know,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's it's our place, and I think
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  Speaker 3: it's a personal place. And I don't think anybody, you know,
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  Speaker 3: should stick their nose in it, to be perfectly honest
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  Speaker 3: with you, and that's the way he wanted it. So
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  Speaker 3: you know, if you had music, you know, go ahead
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  Speaker 3: and play music, but put some earphones on. He says,
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  Speaker 3: the guy next to you might not like her, not
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  Speaker 3: like it. The other thing was dress codes. You know,
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  Speaker 3: when I was there, the coaches had to wear sport coat,
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  Speaker 3: tie dress slacks when a play. During the player's time,
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  Speaker 3: it was a sport coat, golf shirt and slacks. And
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  Speaker 3: he says, we play like champions, and we're going to
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  Speaker 3: look like champions, and so that, I mean, that was
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  Speaker 3: just part of it. There were so many different things.
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  Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of time he never he
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  Speaker 3: always had the players backs, you know, a lot of
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  Speaker 3: times when he had something to say to a particular player,
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  Speaker 3: a particular pitcher. You know, we didn't even know it.
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  Speaker 3: Half the time. Most of us didn't even know it.
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  Speaker 3: And the only one that knew it was whoever he
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  Speaker 3: was talking to in himself. And so therefore, if we
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  Speaker 3: lost a game, it was never the player's fault, you know,
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  Speaker 3: it was his. And then if we won, he pointed
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  Speaker 3: direction to all the guys. So just a great, great man.
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  Speaker 3: And I knew he was something special real quick, because
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  Speaker 3: you know, I'd spent twenty four years to minors and
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  Speaker 3: then ended up with eighteen and the Big Lee. And
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  Speaker 3: I had a couple of guys, a couple of people
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  Speaker 3: that were great teachers and taught me a lot, Bobby
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  Speaker 3: being the head honcho, but I also had about two
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  Speaker 3: hundred people that taught me how not to do it.
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  Speaker 3: And uh uh so with Bobby, you knew right away
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  Speaker 3: that you were with somebody special. And how about this,
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  Speaker 3: you know, going to spring training putting the pictures first.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, how many times do we all go to
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  Speaker 3: spring training you guys know, get the pictures off field?
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  Speaker 3: Why get them done to me too? So wait and
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  Speaker 3: get some real work in that, you know. And that
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  Speaker 3: wasn't the case pictures. No shagging in spring training. If
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  Speaker 3: you would, if you went and got your work done,
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  Speaker 3: you were done. You were rewarded for being efficient. No
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  Speaker 3: eye wash, you know, no I washed. No running crazy
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  Speaker 3: things with their with all this stuff that they do now.
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  Speaker 3: I mean even then I knew that they were. Some
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  Speaker 3: teams were running pictures in the outfield with parachutes on
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  Speaker 3: them and all that sort of thing. I mean, none
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  Speaker 3: of that stuff. It was just pure baseball. And every
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  Speaker 3: time a free agent came over and they said, man,
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  Speaker 3: wish we'd have got here earlier, you know. And it's
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  Speaker 3: like mad Dog, you know. And one time we're in
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  Speaker 3: Pittsburgh early in nineteen ninety three when when mad Dog
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  Speaker 3: was with us, and and Bobby saw him in the
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  Speaker 3: in Pittsburgh in the hotel room, you having breakfast. Ob says,
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  Speaker 3: what are you doing? He goes, what do you mean?
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  Speaker 3: What am I doing? He said, get your butty out
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  Speaker 3: of here and go to the golf course. Go play golf,
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  Speaker 3: he goes, You want me to go play? He said,
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  Speaker 3: go play golf, he said, get away from get away
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  Speaker 3: from everything that that that you have to put up with,
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  Speaker 3: and go through and get out and relax for a
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  Speaker 3: you know so those types of things, you know, treated
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  Speaker 3: you professionally, he respected you, he respected the game. But
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  Speaker 3: he could also put the hammer down when he wanted to.
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  Speaker 3: And that's when you want to get out of his way.
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  Speaker 4: Where would where would Bobby if he were a manager
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  Speaker 4: now exactly how you two were on the bench before,
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  Speaker 4: with you rocking and him doing what he did. Where
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  Speaker 4: would he struggle as a manager in today's game? And
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  Speaker 4: where would he excel over other managers that he is
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  Speaker 4: the Hall of Fame manager.
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  Speaker 3: Well, he would excel of handling pitching staffs, There's no
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  Speaker 3: question about that. You know he would in other words,
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  Speaker 3: you know, for example, you talked about pitch counts, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and all this stuff. You know, and you know I
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  Speaker 3: used to have a clicker, you know, and you the
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  Speaker 3: pit the button because Bobby was the last one to
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  Speaker 3: put pitch counts or how hard you were throwing up
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  Speaker 3: on the board. He didn't want it up there, and
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  Speaker 3: so and I loved it too because on that clicker
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  Speaker 3: I used to cheat on it a little bit, you know.
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  Speaker 3: For example, you know, glad to throw first pitch, change up, guy,
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  Speaker 3: pop it up. You know I ain't counting that one,
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  Speaker 3: you know. So it got to be where here's the
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  Speaker 3: genius A max He had a max out inning and
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  Speaker 3: we said, okay, nobody knows what a max out ending is.
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  Speaker 3: I talked to coaches, managers everywhere the max out ending
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  Speaker 3: or what what? He had a max? Yes, that max
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  Speaker 3: out ending was this. Hey, Leo, Gladyn's going out for
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  Speaker 3: the seventh inning, right, is he going to max out?
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  Speaker 3: I said, yeah, he's going to max out. That means
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  Speaker 3: he's going to max out his efforts. Okay, okay, Leo,
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna this is his last inning and we will
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  Speaker 3: Uh pitch count doesn't matter, he said, he really doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 3: He said, he's we're taking him out. Then another example
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  Speaker 3: would be Leo's Gladving going out for the seventh thing,
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  Speaker 3: is he going to max out. I said, no, he's
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  Speaker 3: on normal effort. He goes, okay, then we're not taking
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  Speaker 3: him out and pitchcount doesn't matter. So if you look
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  Speaker 3: at that and the pitch counts and the amount of
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  Speaker 3: effort they put, you know what, wouldn't it be amazing
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  Speaker 3: to tell pitching staff that today and nobody would blow
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  Speaker 3: out and everybody would continue on with her pitch. They
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  Speaker 3: would pitch and not throw. So you know, he had
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  Speaker 3: that understanding about the amount of effort you put on
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  Speaker 3: pitches to make to get the end result that you
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  Speaker 3: wanted and to get some touch on the ball. You know.
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  Speaker 3: So he was a pitcher's manager, but he was also
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  Speaker 3: a player's manager, of course, you know. But he would
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  Speaker 3: nobody could carry his you know what when it came
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  Speaker 3: to handling pitching staffs, which was a blessing to me,
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  Speaker 3: that's for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Leo Wull. Anyone ever get ejected as Bobby as much
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  Speaker 2: as Bobby Cox did. It was the biggest You're like,
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  Speaker 2: we're playing the brains for three games. We know Bobby's
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  Speaker 2: getting run at least once in these three games.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know, you know, a couple of starting pitchers
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  Speaker 3: got him ejected a few times. I know Maddis is
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  Speaker 3: he one time Glavit was pitching and and most of
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  Speaker 3: the time he was about balls and strikes that he
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  Speaker 3: got ejected over. But uh, Maddis was charting charton Glavin's
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  Speaker 3: game and Glavin Bobby goes, Glad, how's his strike zone?
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  Speaker 3: Glab says, ah, I'm working with him. He said, we'll
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  Speaker 3: be all right, and he says, okay. So now he
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  Speaker 3: walks in to talk to Maddox, who's doing the chart
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  Speaker 3: a mad dog. How's glad strike zone? Bobby, this umpire stinks.
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  Speaker 3: He's not calling nothing. He won't give Glab nothing. And
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  Speaker 3: Glavin heard him and he said, you know, you're just
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  Speaker 3: getting him thrown out next inning. You know that, don't you.
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  Speaker 3: Maddix goes, yeah, I know, and he's laughing his butt off,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and sure's heck the next inning, boom ball one.
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  Speaker 3: Here he comes. You know, where was that pitch? Here
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  Speaker 3: we go, here we go. So but then there was
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  Speaker 3: a lot of time. But you know what was amazing
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  Speaker 3: the that the young person hold nothing against him. Everybody
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  Speaker 3: used to say, oh, if you're nice to the umpires,
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  Speaker 3: maybe you'll get some calls. That was a bunch of bs.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you gotta let you don't let somebody know
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  Speaker 3: if you if you're not happy with them. And then
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  Speaker 3: there was you know sometimes when you know, uh, Jerry
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  Speaker 3: Crawford would come over and say, we can hear everything
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  Speaker 3: you're saying in the dugout, Bobby said, and your pictures
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  Speaker 3: are hitting the target except the catcher setting up a
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  Speaker 3: foot outside. So we had a lot of fun with it,
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  Speaker 3: you know. And and the man and the umpires loved you,
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  Speaker 3: so yeah, it was you knew he was gonna it
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  Speaker 3: was coming up sooner or later. And but basically, I think,
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  Speaker 3: as you as well know, it was basically over balls
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  Speaker 3: and strikes.
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  Speaker 4: All those divisions in a row an hour in the
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  Speaker 4: era where the Dodgers are just the best team. Nobody
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  Speaker 4: can beat the Dodgers. Do you feel like the Dodgers
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  Speaker 4: even hold a candle to what your team Bobby's team
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  Speaker 4: did during that span of straight division championships because they
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  Speaker 4: haven't even reached it yet. I think they just reached
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  Speaker 4: ten straight division championships.
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  Speaker 3: Right, No, I think if I think, if you guys
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  Speaker 3: sit down, you you you all are real baseball people.
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  Speaker 3: Look at the pitching rotation stayed together for eleven years,
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  Speaker 3: I mean Maddix, Glavin and Smoltz and then whoever else
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  Speaker 3: came in. You know, do you think you think a
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: pitching can make five hundred starts in a row and
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: not miss a starter with Bobby and I together, that
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: we the starter's average making one hundred and forty one
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: hundred and sixty game starts. I mean, of course not they.
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: They can't stay with you. The read on the pitching
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: end of it, You know, you cannot. You cannot realize
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: for fourteen years in a row and the health of
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: the pitching staff, which the manager has a whole lot
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: to do with. But it was they were never abused,
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: and we use common sense and how we use them so,
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: but it would with Bobby and I. It was more
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: often less exertion, that means, get on the mound, more often,
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: throw with less exertion, make the ball, do something without
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: maxing out your effort than the seventh inning when you
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: need something in your tank. It's there, Okay, Now it's
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: less often rock and fire, throw it as hard as
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: you can and beat the catcher up behind home plate
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: and all this sort of thing. And then I don't
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: know about how you feel as how they say up
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: now would drive those guys nuts. I mean, maddi'sould walk
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: off the mount. I'm gonna tell you that, would they would?
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: Would a pitcher be able to do that nowadays? Would
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: a pitcher be able to come into your organization and
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: you're running and you say, it's okay, less exertion. We
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: know you have it in the tank. We know you
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: can throw ninety to ninety. You know we can throw
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: ninety eight miles an hour. We went, you just sent
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: ninety to ninety two. Can a player in today's game
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: do that and still keep his job? Or he gets
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: sent to trimplea within two starts.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: He didn't get to keep his job because you know,
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: I talked to a couple of the agents who are
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: good friends of mine, and they said that they had
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: a pitcher that came out of college and the kid
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: went twelve and seven in high A ball with low
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: low walks, good strikeouts, hits, printing's pitch underneath it two
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: point eight four era. So he comes to bring training
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: this year looking for a you know, go to at
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: least double A. They send him to low A. Okay,
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: And so then they wanted to know how come you're
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: sending this kid to low A? They said, Well, until
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: he hits ninety two on a consistent basis, he's gonna
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: have to he's gonna have to stay in low A.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: Can't move him up. That's just one example of how
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: lousy pitching is developed today and how it's handled today.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: You try to take a guy, one of the guys
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: out when we were all playing and coaching and they
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: had a no hitter going, you know, I mean, what
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: do you think would happen? There would be a fight
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: on the mound. And the other thing is what really
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: bothers me is they take a picture out four and
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: two thirds five Dings hasn't given up nothing yet, but boy,
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: what a great job. I mean, it's it. It really
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: insults my intelligence, to be perfectly honest with you, how
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: pitchers are handled. Okay. But the other thing is, it's
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: like Bobby and I used to say, and this is true.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: You know you're asking about today's game. He said, Leo,
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: you and I wouldn't last two weeks now, And I
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: think that's very true. But the bottom line is this,
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: I can't understand why people wouldn't listen to how Bobby
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: cocks handled his pitching staff. Besides the team, of course,
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: I'm always about pitching, and also how we work together
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: to keep have a throwing program where you were on
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: the mound more often learning your craft. And then how
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: he handled the pitchers and didn't abuse him. You put
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: that all together and everybody stayed healthy for record a
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: record amount of time. And if nobody wants to listen
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: to that, that's their problem.
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  Speaker 2: What would Bobby have done if John Schultz came in
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: and said, Hey, here's the lineup for today, and I
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: need you to pitch this guy.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: No matter what, what.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Would Bobby have said? If John ure Holl's watching, he goes, Bobby, here's.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: The look leader, Get out of here. He's so easy
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: to get out of here, because I do remember one
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: time where general manager John, who they got along great.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: Believe me, John come in one time early in his
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: when he was with the Braves and after a game
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: and we lost a tough game, and he went in
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: to talk to Bobby and you saw you heard something
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: and then from John left, you know, because he's because
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: he wanted to talk about why this or why that,
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: and Bobby says, you got to give me twenty four hours.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: He said, I'm telling you before you come in and
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: ask me why we did this or why we did that.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: But don't get me wrong. He and Cherles became very close,
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: and it was a chain of command that was hard
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: to bring. You couldn't break third chain of command, that's
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: for sure. And that's another successful thing for the Braves
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: was the chain of command. You had Ted Turner the owner,
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: you had standcasting, you had John Cherls, you had Bobby Cox,
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: you had coaching. Everybody stayed intact for a long time.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: Everybody worked together with the farm system to get to
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: develop pictures, players, et cetera. Okay, so therefore and it
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: was real baseball. I mean, look, I watched the last
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: two games with the Braves and the Dodgers because I
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: always like thought the Dodgers and Braves games were something special.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: And uh, it's a it's a different ball game when
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: it comes to pitching, and you know, it's like Scooba
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: went down, you know, I mean, everybody get broke. They're
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: blowing up because they try to throw the ball, storing
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: hard that they can't see straight. And then when you
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: watch somebody pitch and you look at their mechanics. Agent,
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: I like to ask you, ag when when did if
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: a right handed pitcher is thrown a pitch okay, and
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: his back leg flies to the first base side instead
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: of a follow through to where you're setting up, when
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: did that start? Or a left handed pitcher his left
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: back leg flies to the third base when we we
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: always wanted our head are up going straight to where
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: you were setting up. That's not They don't even come
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: close to that anymore. I mean, and you know what
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: max effort, How hard can you se? Yeah, it's max effort,
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: how hard you can throw? And you know what, I
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: guess nobody cares that there's you know, you set records
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: now for guys blowing out. But here's what the problem is, too,
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: is these kids are being taught that now from the
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: time they're twelve years old all the way up. So therefore,
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: when you asked me earlier that you get your point
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: across with more oftenliss exertionion, they wouldn't know what the
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: hell you were talking about. To be honest with.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: You, true, I'm not even gonna we need small time
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: in on this because he's Tommy John Effort King not me.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just here to listen to the stories. Leo.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: It's been a rough week, and it's been a rough
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: week in Braves Country, not only with Bobby but also
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: with Ted Turner. Do you have any Ted Turner stories
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: you can share?
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: You weren't there yet when he managed, right were you
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: there when he now? Remember he did the cat and
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: people were stuffing the money in their shirts and he
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: did the roll the ball down the line with the
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: nose trick with Tug McGraw.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: You know, it's spring training, you you know, the coaches
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: would sit outside the dugout and uh so we're playing
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: a spring training game. We're getting hammered, you know, and uh,
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: Mike Blecki's getting hammered. Mike Blecki to me, we he
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: revitalized his career in Atlanta, and uh what he did was,
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: uh he had made the club. I mean, he was
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: on the team, but he you know, we're just trying
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: to get him through an inning or so. And I
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: felt this tap on my shoulder and it was Ted.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: He goes hey, Leo, and I said, yeah, Teddy goes
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: in that guy pitch. I said, Ted, he's on our team.
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: He goes, uh, well, all right, okay, you know so anyway,
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: and then one time he came flying across behind the
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: dugout in West Palm Beach and had his entourage with him,
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: and I.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: Heard him holler, okay, nobody picked their nose. We're on
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: TBS today at one o five, so everybody watched themselves.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: But he was a great guy. And before our work
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: First World Series, he said, he came in and told us,
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: he said, I want you guys to go out and
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: have fun because I'm not firing nobody. So things like that.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: And the great owner of a guy that lets you
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: do your job, Bobby Cox, lets you do your job.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: Uh you know, then they didn't tell you how to
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: do it. If you got you get it done. This
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: is what you're here for. This is what we hire
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: you for. So we got it done for a long time.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: And like like you guys said earlier, is that is
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: the Dodgers close to that yet not yet? Not yet,
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: not at all.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just an incredible, incredible run. And and I
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: could listen to the stories all day.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Uh we kind of colors you think if you wore
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: one of those whoop things or like the the orror rings.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: How many colors you think you burned every year with the.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: You know, I didn't even know I was doing it
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: half the time, but you know, TVs made it great,
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: you know, I mean, you know, locked in. I didn't
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: know I was doing it half the time. That half
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: the time Bobby would look at me, Look, you're driving
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: me nuts. Okay, so what am I doing? I don't
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: know what I'm doing any good and so, but we
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: had a lot of fun with it. I didn't know
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: we were doing it half the time, and I did
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: it from the time I was a kid. So it's
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: just when your wheels are turning, people do things different.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: You know. My wheels were always turning, trying to make
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: sure I wasn't missing anything. And the bottom line was
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: I used to tell the pictures all the time. Guys,
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: here's the only goal I have for you. Go to
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: the post when it's your turn, and the rest will
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: take care of itself. And in the meantime, I'd be
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: sitting there work making sure that everybody. The health factor
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: was the big thing for me because I knew with
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: the talent that we had, if they stayed healthy, we
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: weren't going to lose and we weren't going to have
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: a losing streak either with the horses. We were running
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: out there in a five man rotation, you know. And also,
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: can you imagine a picture coming to Bobby or and
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: saying I'd rather come back a day early than be
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: set back a day that's you. You have a picture
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: in mine in today's game, that would ever say that?
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: I don't think so. I think the two best pictures
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: actually in the game today are in Los Angeles. Listen,
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: they're both from Japan. That's true.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, the only one I can think
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: of is Yamamoto, who's like in the postseason. I'll pitch
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: every day if that's gonna win it for us. But
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: it was such a unicorn performance for him. Well, Leo,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: this was great. Thank you so much for sharing the stories.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: I know you pop up on some other shows too.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: And then I know you're gonna deliver some of this
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: at the funeral.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Great, it'll be a light presentation of Bobby's funeral.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: But Bill, we'll get we'll get him, we'll get him laughing.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: I was just down his house two weeks ago and
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: we were telling stories, and you know, and the first
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: thing he said when I got through the door, he
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: was pointing, he was trying to say it, and and
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: his wife Pam said, let Leo get through the door
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: before you get him as vodka and club soda. So
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: we had We had a great time, and I've been
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: I've saw him a lot in the last few years.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: I go down every We drove from South Carolina to
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: his house at least twice a month, and it was
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: great therapy for him. But to be perfectly honest with you,
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: it was great therapy for me.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Oh I can imagine. And also, I mean he overcame
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: a lot in the last I know, five six years
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I've been following and all the health struggles and how
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: he would overcome them. So there's a lot of great
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: articles out there right now too. Leo, thanks again, really
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: appreciate it. Apologies, you know, thinking about you and the
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: whole family there for the loss, but it really means
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: a lot to share.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: Thank you. It means a lot to us too, And
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: you know it's nice talking real
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Baseball exactly, that's what we do.