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True Crime Podcasters · Artists on Artists on Artists on Artists

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  Speaker 4: Welcome back to Artists on Artists on, Artists on Artists.
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  Speaker 4: Cereal S Town my favorite murder crime junkie. These are
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  Speaker 4: just some of the many true crime podcasts that lead
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  Speaker 4: our industry today.
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  Speaker 5: Dead Bodies plus everyone having access to the Internet equals
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  Speaker 5: a large flow of amateur detectives who have taken it
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  Speaker 5: upon themselves to solve the crime that authorities could not.
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  Speaker 1: Here's something true about true crime. We've gathered for true
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  Speaker 1: crime journalists and podcasters in the studio today to talk
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  Speaker 1: to them.
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  Speaker 3: So let's bury the hatchet in somebody's back and listen in.
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  Speaker 5: Do you guys want to go around and mention our
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  Speaker 5: sponsors up top? Or do you want to wait?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's a great idea.
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  Speaker 1: Let's do Yeah, my pot it's in the name.
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  Speaker 4: So but is there does artists on artists on artists
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  Speaker 4: have a natural sponsor that we should mention? Oh I
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  Speaker 4: don't think so, so just our sponsors?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, we can just mention who is our sponsor? Would
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  Speaker 5: be helpful for me?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I have a bunch, so it might be a bit.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think should we all? I mean, I assume
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  Speaker 1: we all have blue apron?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, yeah, so let's check.
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  Speaker 3: I assume we all have better help?
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  Speaker 5: Yes, better help is mine?
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  Speaker 2: Yes?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, stitch your premium.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah yeah yeah, I mean only for a little bit longer.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, but yeah, we still I think under contra Yes, yes,
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  Speaker 1: in a big way, in a big way, in a
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  Speaker 1: big way.
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  Speaker 4: That's really cool.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Is there any other sponsors that tab toast tab? Yes,
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  Speaker 3: that's another one.
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  Speaker 4: No, I don't really agree with their morals.
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  Speaker 1: Oh god, I have a d T ADT security systems
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  Speaker 1: simply safe.
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  Speaker 4: Sorry, I agreed, So I have my podcast is simply Safe.
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  Speaker 3: I have buy a gun dot com.
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  Speaker 5: Oh were you?
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, sorry, didn't want to rush by yours.
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  Speaker 3: Your podcast is simply safe dot com.
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  Speaker 4: My podcast is simply Safe. Who murdered that girl?
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  Speaker 2: Are you sponsored by simply sa Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Simply Safe present so they know who murdered that girl?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And it is a simply safe podcast. Simply Safe is
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  Speaker 4: now getting into the podcast space and not just sponsoring
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  Speaker 4: them but also producing them.
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  Speaker 5: That's awesome. I mean, yeah, we should go around because
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  Speaker 5: I've seen you guys on my feet constantly.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think we did mention all of our sponsors, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad to know, and not necessarily a positive way,
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  Speaker 1: but we did. We did at least mention them, which
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  Speaker 1: I think is important. It's good to know what not
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  Speaker 1: to step on, what not to talk about exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I have nothing but good things to say
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  Speaker 2: about squarespace.
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  Speaker 5: How do you agree with biagun dot com?
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  Speaker 3: A byagun dot com is fantastic. They need so many free.
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  Speaker 2: Guns, okay, and they have they have like a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Of they have a lot. So legally, you can buy
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  Speaker 3: a gun dot com. You can buy a gun on
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  Speaker 3: buy a gun dot com and it's really great for safety.
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  Speaker 3: And it's like, I'm not crazy about guns, but I
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  Speaker 3: am crazy about your safety. So bygun dot com is
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  Speaker 3: a great sponsorship. I can set you guys up too.
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  Speaker 3: They send me like a gun a week. I don't
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  Speaker 3: think you need that many, No, yeah you don't. At
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  Speaker 3: this point, it's just excessive. I got closets full of guns.
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  Speaker 3: But they're great, a great person to work with, incredible great.
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  Speaker 5: So yeah, I mean we gotta get into it, guys.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: This is like the meeting of the mind.
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  Speaker 4: It's crazy that I know all your but I don't
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  Speaker 4: know any of your faces, Like who are you? I
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  Speaker 4: feel like less shock.
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  Speaker 3: I close my eyes and I picture what I thought
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  Speaker 3: you guys.
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  Speaker 5: Isn't that an interesting thing? Like isn't that interesting in
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  Speaker 5: your brain that that happens? Like that's really interesting. It's
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  Speaker 5: so interestingly something to think about, Like it's really like
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  Speaker 5: what like because then you realize that your brain and
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  Speaker 5: your your ears and your eyes and your mouth are
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  Speaker 5: all doing different things and.
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  Speaker 3: It just.
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  Speaker 2: Never thought about what you guys look like.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, brain, ears, eyes mouth, brain ears, eyes mouth exactly.
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  Speaker 2: That's so interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, because the way you guys, look and the way
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  Speaker 1: your mouth is sounding like, it's so interesting to see
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  Speaker 1: you in person.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, that actually is Wait a second, that's so interesting.
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  Speaker 5: We don't talk enough about that, Like we really don't talk.
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  Speaker 3: Wait a second, that is actually so interesting. Can we
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  Speaker 3: dive into that a little bit more? Because that was
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  Speaker 3: because I wasn't even think.
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  Speaker 2: Talk about it.
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  Speaker 4: Oh sorry, that's my I bring around my uh music guy,
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  Speaker 4: chess chess. We don't need any of that chess chess.
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  Speaker 4: We don't chest chess is chest.
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  Speaker 2: Eating a sandwich?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's he's so good on garage band and he's
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  Speaker 4: also always eating a sandwich chess out. He uses garage
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  Speaker 4: band because it's always it's always chess. You could show
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  Speaker 4: him a little bit of and it always he always
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  Speaker 4: plays it when someone goes, wait, that's really interesting.
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  Speaker 3: So we're good anytime. Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we have to be careful. And I love chess,
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  Speaker 4: and he's paid constantly. I'm constantly, so he'll just be here.
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  Speaker 3: Because but like once every two weeks or something.
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  Speaker 4: No, I literally can't turn off the payroll. It's constant.
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  Speaker 4: So it's just easier for me to just bring him
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  Speaker 4: around instead of turning off the payroll.
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  Speaker 5: Actually think chess is as actually dope.
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  Speaker 4: No, Chess is dope. But be careful because if you say, oh,
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  Speaker 4: that's really intriguing, or like, oh, I'm I don't like that,
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  Speaker 4: will that will that will turn on?
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  Speaker 3: Just stop turn Well, why don't you introduce yourself?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I am Brittany tow in the face of simply
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  Speaker 4: safe present who murder that girl? We've been doing it
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  Speaker 4: for four seasons now, and I'm really, really, really excited.
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  Speaker 4: I have been obsessed with true crime ever since I
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  Speaker 4: graduated sixth grade and I heard about a girl who
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  Speaker 4: got murdered from my middle school. And it's been.
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  Speaker 2: That's awesome because that like predates true crime.
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  Speaker 1: It's as like, I mean, there was true crime, but
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't like no for sure way that it is
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  Speaker 1: no no for sure.
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  Speaker 4: It was before OJ, like it was before a lot
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  Speaker 4: of things. It was before OJ like Orange Juice, So.
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  Speaker 2: Before Orange Juice you would you would think about crime.
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  Speaker 4: Literally, So it was really weird at the time. But
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  Speaker 4: I love that now true crime is accepted as like
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  Speaker 4: interests and accepted as like a cool thing to focus on.
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  Speaker 4: But at the time, my parents were really worried about
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  Speaker 4: me and I had to go to crazy therapy because
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  Speaker 4: I was interested in like I mean, I loved playing
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  Speaker 4: clue and finding where the weapon was and who was
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  Speaker 4: in the house and all that stuff. And my parents
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  Speaker 4: were like, why she is so obsessed with finding out
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  Speaker 4: if it's a dagger or not right? And it was
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  Speaker 4: because that girl when I was in sixth grade got murdered.
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  Speaker 3: Well wow, so is your podcast is just following one
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  Speaker 3: girl's murder or is it multiple?
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  Speaker 4: It's any girl who's ever been murdered.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, that's pretty broad.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, any girl. So every episode, it's a different girl.
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  Speaker 3: Every episode, and you kind of talk about and.
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  Speaker 4: We follow that girl and it's a story of her.
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  Speaker 4: I do some research. We have a full writer's room,
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  Speaker 4: and it's always goes back to if we had better
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  Speaker 4: security systems in our homes, and we always talk about
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  Speaker 4: the house itself. Most of the stories were like in
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  Speaker 4: the eighties or in the seventies, so that's why it
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  Speaker 4: always goes back to if simply Safe was around earlier enough,
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  Speaker 4: we could have been more safe. And it's really one
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  Speaker 4: big ad copy, which is really interesting. It's like what
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  Speaker 4: if podcast? That is interesting interesting.
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  Speaker 2: It's really interesting.
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  Speaker 4: How fast chess? Thank you?
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  Speaker 3: It's gonna be a long podcast if you do that
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  Speaker 3: every time.
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  Speaker 4: Chest, But it's really I N T E R S
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  Speaker 4: T I n G.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and good, I got it.
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  Speaker 4: It is that Yeah, it really is.
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  Speaker 3: Wait, I got it. That's so yeah, that is that.
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  Speaker 5: I got it.
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  Speaker 4: That's so uh yeah, So it's it really is because
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  Speaker 4: I guess in the podcast space, the copy would be
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  Speaker 4: either in the beginning, the middle, or the end. And
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  Speaker 4: simply Safe is doing this new thing where the whole
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  Speaker 4: episode is one big ad copy.
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  Speaker 1: So how what is the percentage of like like, so,
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  Speaker 1: do you have to mention serve save? No, that's the
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  Speaker 1: other thing, simply sa So do you have to like
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  Speaker 1: mention simply save within every sentence or like within like
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  Speaker 1: like how much detailed do.
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  Speaker 2: You have to go in?
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  Speaker 3: Kind of like the opening of the Mark Maren What
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  Speaker 3: wt F show, where like he's telling about his life
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  Speaker 3: then all of a sudden it's a commercial for better
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  Speaker 3: help or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: I love wt It's.
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  Speaker 3: So he just like dives in with them on such
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  Speaker 3: a way I've never heard a person talk to celebrity's
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  Speaker 3: also sick.
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  Speaker 4: No, he's really sick. It's actually my podcast studio is
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  Speaker 4: really fun because there's a mic, but there's a really
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  Speaker 4: big clock that if I don't say simply safe soon enough,
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  Speaker 4: the clock will get red and then and I get
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  Speaker 4: and I get really hot in the room.
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  Speaker 3: Oh they turn up the heat.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so then I have to say it. And it's
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  Speaker 4: a really fun way in my body for me to go, oh, goal,
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  Speaker 4: that's the goal.
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  Speaker 3: Goal.
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  Speaker 2: They've trained you via like negative reinforcement, like a dog.
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  Speaker 3: And it's nice that they did a technique that doesn't
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  Speaker 3: like interrupt it auditorily. It's not just a physical feeling.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, silent, terrifying.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but to the point where I can't take hot showers,
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  Speaker 4: I can't go into a jacuzzi anymore because I'll just
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  Speaker 4: keep talking about simply.
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  Speaker 5: Safe, man, occupational hazard.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 5: I can see why they wanted to build their own
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  Speaker 5: studios for this too.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my god, I literally can't even listen to you
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  Speaker 4: without thinking about your podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Crazy.
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  Speaker 4: Please you don't have to come on, please please.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 5: So my name is Gane Miranda, and I am I
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  Speaker 5: was originally a documentary filmmaker and I started getting into
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  Speaker 5: uh the podcast Realm. I do more uh, serialized episodes
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  Speaker 5: of shows, so I do full seasons and I actually
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  Speaker 5: focused on as as a male who really really really
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  Speaker 5: loves women. I love like it's almost like great geek.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I like to me.
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  Speaker 5: Like women are like women are my Marvel movies, Like
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  Speaker 5: I just like peek out about them, like I know,
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  Speaker 5: ever think about it.
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  Speaker 4: My gosh, I totally get how Old Woman could be
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  Speaker 4: a Marvel.
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  Speaker 2: Movie, you know exactly. It's like that thing you really love.
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  Speaker 5: I stand women like like Women's Ship is.
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  Speaker 2: Like, my got so loud when you said that.
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  Speaker 5: I stand women like I stand them like I stand women.
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  Speaker 4: And I can tell your natural podcast because you backed up.
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  Speaker 5: Exactly, yeah, like you can tell on the microphone on
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  Speaker 5: the video like I I stand women like I like
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  Speaker 5: and I and I won't even say it like that
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  Speaker 5: quiet like that is even quiet for sometimes how I
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  Speaker 5: say it.
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  Speaker 3: At bars crazy.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, isn't that interesting? So so oh sorry, I n
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  Speaker 5: t R I n t e r s c I
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  Speaker 5: n E no, thank you, chess. So yeah, I am
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  Speaker 5: the host of I Had a Feeling, which is a
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  Speaker 5: serialized podcast that I follow men who other people think
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  Speaker 5: maybe are murderers, are bad guys and there's no allegations
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  Speaker 5: about them, but I follow them and I do really
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  Speaker 5: in depth season long reports on them in case they
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  Speaker 5: do come out as criminals or murderers. In some way,
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  Speaker 5: I can say I had a feeling. You kind of
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  Speaker 5: call it first.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, the most interesting thing about your podcast
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  Speaker 3: is the kind of the ramifications of these people's lives.
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  Speaker 5: Totally, I'm opending a lot of people, but so interesting.
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  Speaker 2: It's vague, it's basically.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, totally.
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  Speaker 6: The Vie give off is like it's such as deserving,
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  Speaker 6: like it's and I hear reports it's like, oh, this
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  Speaker 6: person stayed around my party when everybody left and it was
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  Speaker 6: the only person to party, right, Or this person continues
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  Speaker 6: to talk about their mom when everybody else has moved
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  Speaker 6: on to talking about how good the wakamola.
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  Speaker 3: That was such an interesting season.
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  Speaker 4: You're giving women a loaded gun exactly.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I want to buy a gun dot com.
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  Speaker 5: Look, I'm not like a cave man. I think the
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  Speaker 5: women should have the tools. That's what I'm thinking. I
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  Speaker 5: think women deserve tools, Okay, and I think I'm giving
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  Speaker 5: it to them. I I I understand that people can
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  Speaker 5: see this as a witch hunt, but what I would
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  Speaker 5: say is that which is primarily and because I'm such
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  Speaker 5: a nerd when it comes to women facts, which is
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  Speaker 5: were women in the past.
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  Speaker 3: It's actually interesting women were.
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  Speaker 5: So in the past, women were hags, but now men
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  Speaker 5: can be hags. So that's kind of what I'm looking at,
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  Speaker 5: and that's what I'm looking into. And I and I
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  Speaker 5: am stand that people can get mad that I'm like
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  Speaker 5: going after these people, but it's like, don't be weird.
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  Speaker 1: It's so crazy, Like the ethics, of course, are like
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  Speaker 1: so incredibly dodgy. Told every once in a while, you're right.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and that is right.
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  Speaker 3: How many times have you been right about this podcast?
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  Speaker 3: How many seasons have you done? And how many times
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  Speaker 3: have you been right?
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  Speaker 5: So I was right about Phil Spector, But that was
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  Speaker 5: a flashback episode, so I actually already knew.
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  Speaker 1: So you already knew, and then you were using the
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  Speaker 1: information that you had to go back and Okay, I
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  Speaker 1: heard after.
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  Speaker 4: Episode one you had two hundred thousand submissions.
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  Speaker 5: I did a lot of people. A lot of people
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  Speaker 5: thought that I was indeed doing an open call, and
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  Speaker 5: and I got a lot of reports about people that
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  Speaker 5: were a little weird. And we have a big team.
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  Speaker 5: I'm really lucky to employ about twenty five to thirty
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  Speaker 5: researchers and people.
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  Speaker 3: We really you and your research is following the men around.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, we really fis people to make sure that they do,
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  Speaker 5: in fact give off a weird vibe.
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  Speaker 3: What do you credit?
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  Speaker 2: What is that is important?
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  Speaker 4: That's get benefits and to live your life nine to five?
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  Speaker 4: Just like walking the line to see if a guy's
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  Speaker 4: weird or a problematic.
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  Speaker 5: Exactly exactly and like, and I only do this because
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  Speaker 5: I'm just such a nerd for women and women's stuff,
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  Speaker 5: like soon as to be Anthony, not only her, but
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  Speaker 5: also Amelia Earhart, Like.
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  Speaker 2: No, I love her. She's great, She's so interesting.
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  Speaker 3: One of the most famous missing women of all time.
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  Speaker 3: I would say totally. She kind of started the whole genre.
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  Speaker 1: Really without her, we wouldn't be anywhere we really like,
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  Speaker 1: where is she?
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  Speaker 4: And how?
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  Speaker 2: And why?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 2: And in what way?
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  Speaker 3: Exactly?
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  Speaker 2: And that's the question that I have.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you so much for saying that, where the fuck
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  Speaker 4: is she?
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  Speaker 3: Where is she?
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  Speaker 2: And That's what I'm asking.
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  Speaker 4: And if we're walking away with anything today, it's so
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  Speaker 4: where is Amelia Earhart?
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  Speaker 5: Totally?
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  Speaker 2: And we'll never know?
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  Speaker 5: I mean I really want to hear more about you.
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  Speaker 1: Too, of course, please Well, I of course I am
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  Speaker 1: Jessica Robbins, and I host.
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  Speaker 2: Well now I host alone.
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  Speaker 1: I used to host with my comedy partner Jenna Robbins,
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  Speaker 1: my sister, your twins. We used to Okay, well I host,
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  Speaker 1: I could just say it. I host it on my
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  Speaker 1: Cute Crimes, and we follow crimes that are like kind
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  Speaker 1: of cute and adorable and like we sort of like
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  Speaker 1: like crimes are really scary, and so we present them
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: in like a way that's accessible and in a way
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: that like says, guys, don't don't don't get excited and
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: get homicided.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: Right, that's so cute, stay excited, don't get homicide.
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: I can't believe you.
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: Just that's so good.
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: And I have.
• 15:51
  Speaker 5: Literal goose bumps. You saying that like so close to.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: Me, And because I think it's like it's on the
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: t shirts, it's on the billboards, it's on everything. Cute
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: crimes is like and we have different divisions. It's like
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: we are and it's just become this thing that's so big.
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: Like when my sister and I were looking at pictures
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: of crime scenes in our garage, We never expected that
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: so many people would tune in and so many people
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: would want to uh listen, and that cuts would want
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: to sponsor us, and uh we never expected to have
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: so many crime quties walking around.
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: There's so many crime cuties it's like tough to miss
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: them now, you know.
• 16:31
  Speaker 5: One of my favorite seasons is when you because you
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: give nicknames to all the murderers and criminals that you study. Yeah,
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: and go over and I love when you called the
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: BTK killer the the bunny, the bunny Tiara uh t bunny,
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: Tiara carrit like.
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: A diamond.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: Bunny Tiara carrot. Because murder is scary.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: Murder is scary, and we should be talking about it
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: in a way that's accessible so that we don't repeat
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: the mistakes of the past.
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: If you make it cute, you make it approachable.
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I love that you always talk about like
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: not making mistakes the past, like when you did the
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: BTK Killer, like how the women kind of made a
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: lot of mistakes.
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: That was It's like, you know what, no one else
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: can say it besides you and your sister exactly exactly
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: because when you guys just renamed Ted Bunny, Ted Bundy,
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: Hello Kitty.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah, that was so good.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: It was crazy because it wasn't a full rename. You
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: still call them Ted Bundy, but it was Ted Bundy, Hello, Kitty.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: Bunny, Hello Kitty, because it's like, we still want to
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: talk about these guys, but actually saying their names maybe
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: exposes sort of the deep horror that it like shouldn't
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: maybe be said on a podcast. But like if you
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: put a little name on it, it's not as bad.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's cute.
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: And I'm sorry about what went down.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what happened. I mean it's been pretty public, but
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: maybe you can give your side. Yeah, we've heard your
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: sister's side online.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I know and I know and I know.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: I'll just say it. The crime Cuties went overboard. We
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: went over and.
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: We the fans did or you do we did.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Well, we did.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you've seen the articles that we faked Jenna's
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: death to launch a sort of really hands on crime
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: story investigation and then she was found partying in uh
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: in Mikonos and the whole thing kind of fell apart,
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: and well, you really, because we really like she was
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: gone for forty eight hours, and we really for those
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: forty eight hours, we were really good, and we really
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: stuck to the story and we really honestly think that
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: thought that it would work. But then she'd like heard
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: of a party and she had to go to one.
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: And will you address the rumors that s Afora paid
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: you three hundred and fifty grand. Yeah, to do the
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: death with all of the lipstick the makeup.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Well, I can't comment on ongoing legal battles, but what
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: I can comment on is that we regret the amount
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: of lipstick that was found on Jenna when she was
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: discovered alive. We regret that, and we don't we understand
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: why the optics of that are bad. I cannot comment,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: of course, in a legal sense.
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, I just want to like publicly just say that,
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: like I'm sorry for all that and I but I
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: do want to say I think it's unfortunate that your
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: crime cuties were second to a brand deal and that
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: went first. I just want to say that. I just
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: want to say, as someone who hosts a Okay that
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: I think it's I just think I just think, see,
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: this is when Chess goes because I know he knows
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: that the stakes are getting higher and chest no go
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: back to the sandwich.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: This is a big sandwich for him. It's like a
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: big turkey club.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: It's a big HOGI and I'll never apologized.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: I just want to apologize. I want to set the
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: record straight. We never should have faked a death.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: In to make money, Like like you hurt your fans.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: You know we're in the right place when we face
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: to the death, I think, like, because you know, okay,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: because we were going to teach women about the dangers
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: of getting murdered. We so many women are fine with
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: getting murdered, and we were the only ones like actively
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: coming out against that.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: It was saying so many people were just fine with
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: women getting.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: And it's such a bummer.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: It's it like literally bums me out so much when
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: I hear of a crime cutie who gets murdered, because
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: it's like you were one of us, like right, And.
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: For me, it's like every time, it's like it's like
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: I'm losing an iron man. Every time I hear a
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: woman has been.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: Killed and you must take it on pressure, like.
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: It's like they're retiring a character that is a woman's life.
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: Like every time, like it breaks my heart because it's
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: like I don't get to watch that storyline again.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you must go because like your whole thing
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: is trying to prevent that, and I'm trying to constant
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: the ones that get away.
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: And no one will know what I what I've prevented,
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: because I prevented it. That's what's hard for me.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: But anyway, I've been blabbing so hard.
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: And I'm shy. I got a little intense, and it's okay.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: There's a little bit of a rivalry between all the
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: CREWM Gerger Crime broadcasts, but we don't have to get
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: into it.
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: No, I just care about it because I respect you all.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have respect it, and I want to hear
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: this famous voice coming out of that microphone.
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: I literally can't believe you haven't even said your name.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: Mat Hey and Kirsten. In twenty sixteen, I received a voicemail,
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, my friend is missing. I think I
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: was interested. Didn't know what to make of this, so
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: I looked a little deeper. The woman missing Rebecca flat
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: of Ohio County, Ohio, and I knew I had to
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: dive in deeper. This is ooh girl, she gone. So
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: that's thanks for playing.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Thank you for playing it, Thank you for playing your
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: bot playing.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: Now why do you say who you are?
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: So, guys, that was just the beginning of my podcast
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: that I played. My name is Kristin. My name is
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: Did you grab.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: The ox cord or something?
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: I just I am actually just curious how you did that?
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: So because I know Jess has like his garage band
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: set up, but how did you do that?
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: So I basically I just ran the USB right into
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: my phone and press play and it's pretty easy on Spotify.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: So my name is Kirsten bunky My name is Kirsten Bunkie.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: I am a true crime podcaster like we all are,
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: but mine's a little different. Instead of doing a lot
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: of different ones, I'm just following one case to see
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: what happens. And that's the case of Rebecca Flat, a
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: girl who supposedly went missing in Ohio County, Ohio in
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: twenty sixteen. The only person to report her missing her friend,
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: her friend Gwen. Gwen is now one of my good friends,
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: and since then the case has only gotten crazy.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: What I love so much about your coverage of the
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Rebecca Flat case is that, like, I think we've all
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: covered Rebecca Flat, or.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: At least we have multiple times.
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: No, I have all three of us and.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: The Rebecca Flat case, it's about thirty minutes to explain. Yeah,
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: because you have stretched it out.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, because she was found. She was found in
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: like a week.
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: The fact that you are still in productive and that
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: you still have material to draw from for Rebecca Flat
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: is on.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: It's like that, but people don't realize it's like cases
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: go on. You know, yes, she just ended up driving
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: to Vegas with her boyfriend and forgetting to tell her friend,
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: but it's just so much more than that, Like, well.
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: What was super dope is that you have those four
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: episodes where you interview everyone who was in the same
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: rush hour traffic that she was in going to.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: Vegas because they we didn't know where she was and
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: people didn't and so people and that was one of
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: the most heartbreaking, groundbreaking episode.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Can you played that section?
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, I would love it.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you're hooked up anyway to the system.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: Let me just and episode four and thirty two seconds
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: thirty two minutes and twelve seconds in and okay, play.
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: I was in Barstow and I was heading towards Vegas.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: And why were you heading to Vegas?
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: I was going to go for a friends bachelor party.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: And you saw her in her car.
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: You say, no, I didn't see her. I was just
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: in the rush hour traffic.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: I was heading to Barstow from kind of Las Vegas direction.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: I was headed to my mom's wedding.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: Oh and you say you saw her in traffic.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: No, I just kind of was in traffic for a while.
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so I was in Barstow, just headed there. I
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: was headed to the Barstow.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: Why are you going to Barstow?
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: You have to get my permission to record me.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: The last one sounded suspicious. I knew there was something up.
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: And then you followed her for a month and a half.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that season was wild. She was just a
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: lost girl. She was lost.
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: But that woman was illegally selling drugs. But you didn't
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: follow that. You were selling her drama with her sister.
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I did think she was suspicious, heading two Barstow
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: from Barstow.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: You can't cover women.
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: They can't cover women, and it never would but if
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: but that girl iron Man was cool. Yeah, absolutely. I
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: mean I'm just rooting for her and I'm gonn follow her, and.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: She was crazy, and the whole time I just didn't
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: know what to believe because she would say one thing,
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: but then I would feel like another thing. And so
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: that was like a lot of the case with the
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: Rebecca flat thing is one thing and then just feeling
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: like a hunch, like there's something different going on, and
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: I just needed to get to the bottom of it,
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: right right, I mean that's so that woman, her name
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: was Hillary. She was a little emotionally lost. By season four,
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: she finally figured it out. She's in a great place now.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: She's dating a guy named Douglas.
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: We're gonna hear about this on the pod because I
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: don't want toy spoilers.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: Oh, I can maybe play you a little prelim of
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: that episode if you want sure this is okay. Let
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: me just go into my drug box. My editor, Rickard
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: sends this to me. Okay, and it's like, so, Hillary,
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: how has it been?
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: You have to ask Douglas's permission before he goes on Mike.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: I could go on, Mike, babe, what do you want?
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: Put the corona down?
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Doug Noster talk to me.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: She could talk to me. Yeah, So what's up?
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: Where were you on the night of twenty sixteen May second.
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: I'm sick of this slot with her mic and her
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: podcast paying me two dollars.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: I think I was.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: I was a monster truck rally.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: I think monster truck rally, he said, But I didn't
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: believe him. He just had away about him that felt different.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Are you narrating this live in front of me?
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I haven't running monster truck rallies for good. No, no, no,
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: thirty forty years.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: Thirty forty years. That feels like longer than monster trucks
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: have been around.
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: It's not.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Can I just say I'm a monster truck historian, and
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: I can tell you that monster trucks were.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: Invented around the fifties, the nineteen fifties, and you see these.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Sort of models we start to see around then, and
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: so it would have been feasible that he would have
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: been at a monster truck rally.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: This is doctor Edgar white specialist in lustered trucks. I
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: sat down with him and we had tea and he
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: explained all about monsters.
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: So, yeah, tea started a long time ago, thousands of
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: years ago, people have been drinking tea.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: That was doctor white Ford. He is a tea expert
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: I sat down with to talk about tea experts.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: Was a name that we coined in Greece in fifteen
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: twenty nine. When you nixt and when an expert, it
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: really means ah stretch of things.
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: Kirsten, I need to turn this off.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: It was just about to get good. No, but you
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: have to The twist after that. The twist after that
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: is I'm on.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: The edge of my seat.
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: I'm on the I tell you, I just like that twist.
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: I sit in front of a clock every day.
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: That warms me up.
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: If I don't say add copy enough.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: I think it's so amazing the way you stretch it out.
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: It's so cool.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: It's just it's so funny. And I feel like this
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: this season, guys. I don't want to spoil anything, but
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: we really get to some interesting botty. I'm done with you.
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: Well, so I do you want to talk about what
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: it's like to be a true crime podcaster A little bit? Right?
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: One of the big things is a lot of people
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: see us as insensitive. Yeah, a lot of people see
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: us as exploiting dead bodies or crimes or you know.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, I've heard it all.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: I've seen the Facebook page.
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, and I it's a good Facebook page. There's
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: just a lot of women on it. This is where
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: I get conflicted.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, so you don't like the message, but you do
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: like that there are a lot of women.
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: One of the women are voicing their opinions, but I
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: I don't like it that they don't. It's against another woman.
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: I have a lot of that's tough.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: That's tough for you, and that's hard.
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's really hard. It's mostly hard for me. Yeah.
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: I guess my question is, have you guys had encounters
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: with survivors of victims or families?
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: Family families are pain Yeah, they really complain. I've heard,
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: like your podcast, I've heard a lot both of you guys, like,
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: I've heard families come after you for life.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: It's tough. I had to use a special filter.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: We have our it team built a plug in that
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: blocks any message from someone who's had a death in
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: the family of suspicions origin because we just we were
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: getting bombarded.
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: For your mental health.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: To do that, I just wanted to check in and
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: take some time from myself.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: What do they say to you? Like, what's like the
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: emails that you get the.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: F you uh delivered a lot of factually inaccurate information
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: or the information was factual and you delivered it in
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: like a really glib way.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: And I don't like that my murdered sister got like
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: a cute nickname.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: I don't think you should nickname the women either, like
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: I think, like I don't think a lot of them
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: feel that we shouldn't be nicknaming the murderers, but they
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: really feel like we shouldn't be nicknaming the victims.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: I don't get that. I don't get that at all.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: I don't get that because at the end of the day,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: it's entertainment, right, It's like it's something casual that you
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: can listen to in the car, super casual the way
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: to therapy to fix yourself, and then on the way
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: back to get an outside ebowl. You people just want
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: something like it's really just a hang more than anything.
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: It's a hang, especially when we do so many I
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: think you and I like, like my library, my catalog
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: is so big. Yeah, so I have literally like so
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: many victims.
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's I get into a lot of trouble. I mean,
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: I'm just having fun, right, My podcast is just interesting.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: Like so fun. You're following these men around.
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: I saw it coming and it's fun and it's interesting,
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: and I get into a lot of trouble when and
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: usually in the last three episodes of every season, I
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: detail what I think they're going to do when they're
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: going to do it. So they say dates and I
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: say crimes, and I say, I think this guy is
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: going to go to Tahoe and I think he's going
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: to murder a woman this day.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: And are you placing side bets on.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: These or and there is what I saw that there's
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: been like a big booking Vegas thing about your podcast.
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: There really really likes.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Me, and she okay, I'm interested.
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: She wants to do some little side bets. So I
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: actually have a partnership with a resort world down in
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: Vegas and you can ship.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: My God, is that will he do It? Dot Com?
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: I think it is. I think it's will he do it?
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: There's so many side bets to like the main bet,
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: but the side bets are crazy because it's also like
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: their side bets that you're going to do something.
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's great, yeah, yeah.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: And that's actually like popping yeah.
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: And I am announcing we are with DraftKings. Now who
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: is bet on whether or not I'm going to do stuff?
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: And I'm taking I'm reading all of it, and I'm
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: taking it into account and if I like you, I'll
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: probably do it.
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: That is so cool.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: Well that's actually illegal, so cool. You can't do that
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: because if you actually bet on if you're going to
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: do it and then go to it, you'll go to
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: jail for Yeah, because you can't bet on yourself to
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: or bet on yourself to win or lose.
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: That's right, You're not betting on myself. I'm telling them.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: Okay, Well, I'm just letting you know, like if you
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: do bet that you're going to kill you somebody and
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: then murder them, you will go to jail for fraud.
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: Well, it's a lot of my community, a lot of
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: community the primary charge.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, because it's like it's like when there's two
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: items on sale, this this, the item that is the
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: cheapest is the one that's Yeah, okay, I have a
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: question for you because you're just talking about this, like
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: which one you like might work with? Like which uh
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: like a dealer or whatever, sponsor or whatever question for
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: the table and it might because I'm like really.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: Young, Oh my gosh, how young are you?
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: I'm twenty four?
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: Wait, that's so interesting.
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: Sorry, I N T R E S T I G
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: there's three chests, so he got more insta he just
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: added more tracks.
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: Oh god, and I can't turn off their payroll either
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: Chest Best and Wall. No. No, anyway, when when you
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: guys work with these ad companies and they pay you
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: for their ads or these other companies, do they own you?
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: So?
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Okay, you're whimpray, that's okay.
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: No, that's just me sweating.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: No, you're sweating out of your mouth with sound.
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: Okay, So I think that.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: You are being owned right now, and it's not This
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: isn't like common Like I would say that I am
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: beholden to my sponsors and that I'm obsessed with them
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: and that I love them and I love all the
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: products that we talk about on uh Crime Cuties. But
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: I would say that your situation feels a little like
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: do you feel safe?
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: Like?
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: Is like I would No, I don't want to know what.
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: I don't know what you're talking about?
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: In your contract? Like how deep does it go? Like?
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: Are you I am so safe? I'm simply safe.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: How many episodes you get contracted for it?
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: I don't know and have?
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: And for how long.
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: I think it'll go? As long as there are murders happening.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: Okay, so that does sound like they own you. Yeah,
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: in this case, it does sound like they own you.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: So the clock goes where I go, Oh, that's what
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: that is.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Oh the hovering thing behind you.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, I thought that was a new room for Air.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: I also thought that that's a really good guy.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Was a sponsor of mine, and I love that.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just thought they released something for air and yeah,
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: finally clean.
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: Because it's it's the standing room. But because they were
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: releasing those two no, yeah, no, it's uh, I'm a
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: little stuck. And I think I'm curious about your relationship
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: with these sponsors, because I think I got myself in
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: a little bit of ackle.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: I have really positive relationships with sponsors, so I can
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: tell you that it can be a different way.
• 34:57
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: I have sponsored with Lisa Frank to come out with
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: if I go missing, Lisa Frank themed folders, so finally,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: like women can put together folders that contain everything that
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: they would have had that would be helpful for if
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: they went missing. So fingerprints, a contact information list of
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: ex boyfriends, like just literally like like this is a
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: real thing. Like I know that there is a lot
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: of competition on the If I Go Missing market. Yeah,
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: I kind of bought out the competition with the Lisa
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Frank sponsorship.
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: I have the same thing.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if Rebecca Flat goes missing again, has.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Rebecca Flat told you to stop at all?
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Kind of. Yeah, We're not like on super good
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: terms right now.
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: I mean I couldn't imagine like having a really rough,
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: like almost like going missing, being found and then trying
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: to move on with your life, but a podcast still
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: making it about.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: It in a way.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: You are the clock for Rebecca.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: That's so interesting you put it that way. I've never
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: actually thought about that. There was a season that she
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: tried to go missing again just to avoid me, and
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: I had to learn that through the season. It was
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: really interesting.
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: Well, and I only know she's running for senator, so
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: this is just really hard for her.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she's running for senator, which is such an interesting
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: thing that we do not touch at all. You don't
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: touch on that. We're more interested in her missing. I'm
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: more interested in her missing. So that was what happened,
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: Like getting to the bottom of what happened in that week.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: Because people say that are kind of close to her.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: The people that I've talked to on my podcast in
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: like season two or three. Season three say that she
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: came back changed. They say that she came back.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, my daughter came back and she came through
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: the door. She'd been on a trip and she had
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: a nose piercing.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: She had changed her nose really.
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: There was a little little diamond about this big on
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: a note, So she really changed.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: I did a lot of those piercings in two thousand
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: and six. I couldn't tell you one from the other.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: I work at claire You did a lot of notes.
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: Girls come in all the day. They want to get
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: their nose piers. They love getting their nose piers. Yeah.
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: So a zoning permit of a Claire's is really simple.
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: It's just basically a small room.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: So it's just a small room.
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: My name is Jacob Chimboy.
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: I was in the movie room.
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: And I really liked being a part of it. Yeah.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: So what tremble is a physical thing that happens to
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: your body when you're shaking. It's a it's a nerve
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: response or sorry, are you a patient?
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: I can't remember.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: And that's when I realized I would have to tremble
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: my way to the top of this one, turn this off,
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: please please, It was just about to get good. It
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: was just about to get good.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: I hate that I'm on the edge of my sad.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: You guys have no idea. It was just about to happen.
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: Way that makes me feel lost but suddenly found.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: I know that you're about to get somewhere. I can
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: feel it, and I know that you're not, but I really
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: want you to.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: So I have got a question because these are my
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: favorite girlies and one guy, thank you, and I just
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: like because we're on the field, like what is your
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: favorite murder? And what's your favorite case? Like, like we
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: got to talk about we gotta address it, like that's
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: your favorite?
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: Like yes, yeah, okay, are you what are you coming?
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: No, we have to keep that down. We have to
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: keep down how much we like it.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: We have to at least sound a little bit like
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: we don't like it, Like it's not a sex thing.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: What were you doing?
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: I've never seen something like that before? What were you doing?
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: Got me?
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: I've never seen something like that.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: You can I ask you a question? We need to
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: know more about it. Yeah, let's let's just take a second.
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: Actually, women do that?
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: What do you do for sex?
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: What can I ask you a personal question, a couple
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: of personal questions. It's fine. What your are?
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: You?
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: Are you straight?
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: I am?
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: Have you been with a woman?
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: I have not been with a woman because I think
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: it would be disrespectful to bother them in away?
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: Do you feel like you really want to be with
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: a woman though, But being with a.
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: Woman isn't bothering her?
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: Well, I would like, here's my con my conflict. Okay.
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: I love women. I want women to be free, and
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: I feel like if I had a woman that I
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: was connected to, it feels like I would be collecting her.
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: And it's that's wrong. It's not right.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: Let them finish. Let let them finish, Let the finish,
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: let's get to the bottom.
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: Are not So I let her go because I don't
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: want her to be chained by me, because she can
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: do anything she wants to do, and why would she
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: want to stick around with me? So I like to
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: watch them in the wild.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: Okay, So when you watch them, oh, I.
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: Watched them every single day. I interact with women every
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: single day, and I let them go in.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: A natural way, like to make sure they're safe.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: And you and do you remember each one that you
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: talk to? You write it down somewhere.
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: It's my life in a series of ways. Right, You
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: guys all are women toward your life. They came toward
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: my life. You guys are all women that have entered
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: my life in a really exciting way. Sometimes there's a
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: female bag person. Sometimes there's a bad so you know
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: what a store. Sometimes there's a female bus driver. Sometimes
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: there's female doctors. I mean, there's all sorts of women
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: that are so interesting.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: And what makes them so interesting, Well, it's just that
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: they're women.
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: And I just think that's so cool, and I think
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: it's awesome.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: And how is that cool?
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: It's cool because women are awesome.
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: What's your favorite movie?
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: My favorite movie is A League of their Own?
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: And where'd you grow up?
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: I grew up in Maryland.
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: And I'm just curious about you because you're just so
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: interesting and.
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: I'm an open book and I love talking to women.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: Are you profiling him in case he does it? What?
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: See? I was going to But I'm just so busy
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: right now. It was just about.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: It's really interesting and I think this is interesting.
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: No, guys, I would you do anything?
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: Has your podcast ever been done to you?
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: And what's your relationship with your dad?
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: My relationship with my dad is great. He's a military
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: general and I call him sergeant.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: What's the relationship with your mom? The relationship with your mother?
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: Myself dives to myself myself.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: I can't do my own you lies.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: You know why because I'm during my podcast for myself.
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: They don't know this quick before before the big room.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: But here's me.
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: I know that Simply Safe owns me, and I'm doing
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: a podcast.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: From inside my God, he's your sponsor.
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: Myself home deep myself.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: And wait, so you're you are recording You're recording your
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: podcast from inside the podcast?
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, because I know that the.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: I know that.
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: They wait, tell me who is your boss at Simply Safe?
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: What's their gender?
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: Man?
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: I will follow them, figure them out, and I'll start
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: plotting what they could do all these recordings.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: And the thing about you I just gotta say is
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: I know you kill people. I just don't know if
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: it's men or women. No, I don't kill people.
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: What I'm looking on for we were getting so productive. Okay,
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: you need to get your cuties to make sure I'm
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: safe from the walking room behind. You need to find
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: my boss and we will do this. Chess start playing and.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: I'll get to the bottom of Rebecca Flat.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: Yes, I've been Rebecca Flat's dentist for a few years now,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: and I say your teeth look completely normal.
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: Normal. You say, as a dentist, are any teeth ever normal?
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say a lot of them are. If you
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: don't have any cavities.
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: If you no cavity, My name is George. When I
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: played norm on Cheers?
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: How is that for you?
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: So cheers to the bride and groom? You guys, we
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: met and you met in college. I saw you guys
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: fall in love and I'm just so happy. Is that
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: a guy recording a podcast? Is that a girl recording
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: a podcast?
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: In a happy wedding? Uh? You're so happy for them?
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: You would says I'm happy.
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: My name Sorella, and I recorded happy.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: So you were recorded happy? Were you happy or what
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: was the actual emotion you were feeling? Because it doesn't
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: sound like you're happy now happy. It doesn't sound like
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: you're happy at all. Now, where were you? May six,
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: twenty sixteen, Pharrel, Where were you? We goes? I want
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: to know where you were.
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: I'm I'm laughing. Throw him on the room.
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: Yes, we're killing the room. But with my birth.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: We did it. So, what's everybody's favorite murder?
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: I'd have to say John Bana Ramsey.
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna go with jbr John me too.
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: We did it, and I think it's just because she's.
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: So damn cute.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think she's cute.
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: I've been looking at keep an eye on that brother too.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he did it. This has been Artists on Artists
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: on Artists and artists answering the question now that that's
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: why they call it show business.
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: Good Night, Artists on Artists on Artists on Artists is
• 44:06
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• 44:09
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• 44:13
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