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Chandra Levy's mom demands new DNA technology be used could help solve daughters DC murder · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: the day that I first learned that this beautiful DC
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  Speaker 1: intern had gone missing, and I saw the first picture
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  Speaker 1: of her. She had beautiful, long, curly black hair, these
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  Speaker 1: piercing eyes, tall, thin, perfect skin. I'm like, where is Chandra?
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  Speaker 1: Nothing makes sense to me. Joining me right now in
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  Speaker 1: a fight for justice is Chandra Levy's mother, Susan Levy.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us. We all know that at the beginning,
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  Speaker 1: it became public knowledge, much to the pain of Chandra's parents,
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  Speaker 1: who were happy when their daughter got this prestigious DC internship,
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  Speaker 1: you know, which is supposed to open all kind of
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  Speaker 1: doors for you. When it was first reported that she
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  Speaker 1: had somehow become part of a relationship with a very
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  Speaker 1: much married US congressman, and then she goes missing. As
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  Speaker 1: the facts began to unfold, much speculation occurred. Today we
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  Speaker 1: are at the impass. The prosecutors in DC have outright
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  Speaker 1: refused miss Levey's request to retest the evidence in Schandre
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  Speaker 1: Levy's murder case. They have outright refused Miss Levy to
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  Speaker 1: retest the evidence with state of the art DNA such
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  Speaker 1: as touch DNA, in fact, familial DNA analysis anything. Why
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  Speaker 1: what happened to the evidence? Has it been compromised, has
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  Speaker 1: it been lost? Or are they just tired of the
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  Speaker 1: case's no more headlines left to ring out of Chandra
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  Speaker 1: Levy's investigation? Why was missus Levy turned down? Why was
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  Speaker 1: I turned down? And my request for her evidence to
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  Speaker 1: be retested? Joining me right now is Chandra's mother, who
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  Speaker 1: has never given up the fight for justice for her daughter, Chandra.
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  Speaker 1: Missus Leviy, thank you for being with us. Thank you
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  Speaker 1: tell me why it's so important for you to have
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  Speaker 1: the evidence in Chandra's case. I'm referring to her jogging tides,
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  Speaker 1: the other items that were found near her remains, and
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  Speaker 1: the part where she was jogging. Why is it so
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  Speaker 1: important to you that this evidence be tested. First of all,
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  Speaker 1: this the me too movement and the me too movement.
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  Speaker 1: Most people can talk about their situation, but my daughter,
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  Speaker 1: who is deceased, is part of that me too movement,
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  Speaker 1: and I am a voice because she cannot speak. And
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  Speaker 1: there are questions that have never been answered. There's been
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  Speaker 1: no understanding and what really happened. There is new ways
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  Speaker 1: of doing forensic testing, and there's always that possibility, that
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  Speaker 1: slight possibility that there might be something that can be
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  Speaker 1: found within the new technology that is there. Even though
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  Speaker 1: I've been told by prosecutors that everything has been touched
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  Speaker 1: and contaminated. Are they experts in the area of technology
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  Speaker 1: and biology to know? My question is there are a
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  Speaker 1: lot of loose ends. I'll never get my daughter back,
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  Speaker 1: but are there are things that don't match up? And
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  Speaker 1: that's my question that if someone may have gotten my
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  Speaker 1: daughter in the park, they took time to make knots
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  Speaker 1: in her clothing kind of makes me wonder why they
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  Speaker 1: had the time to do that and why they were
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  Speaker 1: interested in nodding such as an S and M type
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  Speaker 1: attack or a bondage attack on her. You mentioned to
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  Speaker 1: me earlier about zip ties or zip ties found anywhere
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  Speaker 1: near her remains. I don't know, because when it came
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  Speaker 1: to the forensic part, I walked out and went to
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  Speaker 1: a horse show. That was because you did not want
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  Speaker 1: to hear it. I didn't want to hear it. But
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  Speaker 1: we certainly told Susan when you asked to have her evidence,
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  Speaker 1: for instance, her leggings or running leggings retested. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: think about it, Susan, whoever tied those knots had to
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  Speaker 1: touch the leggings at on the inside of the knots,
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  Speaker 1: just like when you tie your shoe, you're leaving behind
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  Speaker 1: DNA with new touch technology. I don't understand why there
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't be DNA unless it's being compromised in the evidence room. Well,
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  Speaker 1: they said that everything was left out for a year,
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  Speaker 1: out in the open, but the knots were still tied,
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  Speaker 1: so what's within those knots would still be there. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if they ever untied the knots, or maybe
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  Speaker 1: they will untie that we asked for it to be retested.
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  Speaker 1: What were you told, Susan. I was told that most
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  Speaker 1: of the evidence has been compromised because of the being
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  Speaker 1: in the element for a year, and also it was
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  Speaker 1: compromised because to me. Other people have touched it and
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  Speaker 1: doing their testing. Well, you know what does Cheryl McCollum,
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  Speaker 1: the director of the Cold Case Research Institute. We certainly
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  Speaker 1: won't know that unless we try, Cheryl, we will not
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  Speaker 1: know unless we try to see if we've been asking
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  Speaker 1: for years. Number one, they need a knot what expert
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  Speaker 1: to examine those not and then they need to use
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  Speaker 1: the impact it test those tents. If it turns up nothing,
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  Speaker 1: so much, at least we tried, Nacy. They love to
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  Speaker 1: say we're gonna leave no stone unturned. Well, buddy, you've
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  Speaker 1: left one unturned on this one. You know, Cheryl, the
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  Speaker 1: types of technology that's now available, from familial DNA to
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  Speaker 1: the use of an impact what could be done, What
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  Speaker 1: tests could be run on Chaundra's clothes? And I've got
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  Speaker 1: to tell you, I mean, I've got an email right
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  Speaker 1: here in front of me that was sent to me
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  Speaker 1: that they that prosecutors had reviewed all the evidence and
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  Speaker 1: think that it's all been done. Well that was at
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  Speaker 1: the time of the trial. Says then so much DNA technology.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, look at Golden State Killer for Pete's sake,
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  Speaker 1: look at the impact, Look at all that has developed
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  Speaker 1: since that time, Cheryl, What could be done now that
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  Speaker 1: may make a difference in this case, Nancy. They could
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  Speaker 1: absolutely use the imbat which is the latest greatest capability
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  Speaker 1: that we have to extract DNA again from the inside
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  Speaker 1: of the Knight. They could also do phenotyping, which would
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  Speaker 1: give you a picture literally of the suspect. You know.
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  Speaker 1: An interesting thing the way, this whole thing unrivaled was
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  Speaker 1: after a series of investigative reports by the Washington Post,
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  Speaker 1: police finally get a warrant to arrest a guy named
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  Speaker 1: Ingmar Guandc. He was an illegal immigrant from El Salvador.
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  Speaker 1: We all know about the speculation before that. Gary Condent,
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  Speaker 1: the congressman, reportedly had had a romantic relationship with Seandre
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  Speaker 1: led to this day. He still denies that or will
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  Speaker 1: not answer. However, all eyes returned on him until the
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  Speaker 1: Washington Post articles that led to the search warrant that
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  Speaker 1: led to the arrest of ing margun dc. Gundc was
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  Speaker 1: tried and found guilty. Why because he told multiple people
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  Speaker 1: behind bars and pen pals foam pals that he killed
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  Speaker 1: Schandra Levy. He described her, he has a tattoo on
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  Speaker 1: himself that looks like Chandre Levie. He had clippings he
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  Speaker 1: had saved in his gel cell that are about Chandra Levy,
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  Speaker 1: and he had attacked multiple other women in the same
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  Speaker 1: part in the same way as they were jogging, the
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  Speaker 1: same m O motorcyperendi method of operation as we think
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  Speaker 1: happened to Schandra. That's not the end of the story.
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  Speaker 1: He's trying to convict it. And then one witness, one
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  Speaker 1: witness says, oh, I was lying. I made that story
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  Speaker 1: up about him confessing. So they dropped the whole case.
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  Speaker 1: They dismissed charges and send Gondique back to El Salvador. Cheryl.
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  Speaker 1: I've never heard anything like that in my life. Why
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  Speaker 1: not rework the case? How do I know the witness
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  Speaker 1: wasn't lying when he said it was lying? I would
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  Speaker 1: just tell the jury that, Nancy. It is the most
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  Speaker 1: maddening situation because again, you were my prosecutor. So this
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  Speaker 1: to me is the most unfathomable result I've ever seen
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  Speaker 1: in my life. First of all, you would never pain
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  Speaker 1: everything on a case with one witness. Ever, you work
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  Speaker 1: it from the ground up. Everything you told us a
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  Speaker 1: long time ago in a meeting, Nancy, let's get our
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  Speaker 1: hands dirty with facts and evidence. How Can you just
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  Speaker 1: let one small person dissolve this entire case that took
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  Speaker 1: seven years to build? It makes no sense. Take a
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  Speaker 1: listen to this with our friend Deborah Roberts at NBC's
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  Speaker 1: Dateline documentary. I called up and called up, and then
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  Speaker 1: should answer. Bob Levy, an oncologist, and wife Susan, are
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  Speaker 1: expecting their twenty four year old daughter back home in Modesto, California.
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  Speaker 1: She was shy. She really liked being at home. Yet
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  Speaker 1: her daughter was ambitious, dreaming of a career in law
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  Speaker 1: enforcement programming. Oh yeah, she'd even volunteered in her local
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  Speaker 1: police department before heading to the nation's capital. She got
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  Speaker 1: the internship it's Department of Prisons there. Yeah, I think
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  Speaker 1: she was interested in going to the FBI with me today,
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  Speaker 1: A woman I feel that I've known for a very
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  Speaker 1: long time. When I would see her cry on a
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  Speaker 1: TV screen, it would break my heart. Chandra Levy's mother,
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  Speaker 1: Susan Levy, who is joining us. She has traveled from
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  Speaker 1: California and is with me here in the studio now.
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  Speaker 1: Also with me my colleague Cheryl McCollum, director of the
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  Speaker 1: Coal Case Research Institute. Miss Levy when the DC prosecutors
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  Speaker 1: told you they had absolutely no intention of using the
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  Speaker 1: latest DNA technology on the evidence in Chandra's case. How
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  Speaker 1: did that affect you when they basically slammed the door
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  Speaker 1: in your face. Well, it made me feel unhappy. Though
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  Speaker 1: I'm unhappy anyhow, regardless which way, because I don't have
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  Speaker 1: my daughter. But I just feel when I've caught the
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  Speaker 1: police department in Washington, DC and asked for them to
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  Speaker 1: take a renew interest in the case, and they said
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  Speaker 1: that they are still working on it. And though I
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  Speaker 1: don't believe it, I've never heard from them working on
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  Speaker 1: at how I mean they had and they said did it?
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  Speaker 1: And then they cut him loose and let him get
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  Speaker 1: deported to El Salvador. What am I working on? And
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  Speaker 1: one day he supposedly was up for murder in case
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  Speaker 1: El Salvador. I don't know if that's true, but I
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  Speaker 1: just never seen anything unraveled so fast after this particular
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  Speaker 1: lady that talk to the star witness. And I don't
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  Speaker 1: understand how someone who is a prime witness, who is
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  Speaker 1: under victim's protection, I think, and he was not guarded
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  Speaker 1: in his room and he could just go everywhere, and
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  Speaker 1: this lady gets involved and and somehow, unbeknownst to him,
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  Speaker 1: has five hours of tapes that is talked about that
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  Speaker 1: he made a lie and but miss Levy, the case
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  Speaker 1: against gund K was not based on just the one
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  Speaker 1: witness who he Gundk confessed to. There if you look
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  Speaker 1: in the file, as you well know, there are multiple
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  Speaker 1: people behind bars, his cell mates that he bragged, two
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  Speaker 1: that he had kills Chandra. There is a penpal that
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  Speaker 1: he would talk to regularly, a woman on the phone
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  Speaker 1: that he talked to about the murder of Schandre Levy.
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  Speaker 1: There are many people, not just this one star witness.
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  Speaker 1: Why does he have a tattoo with Schendre Levi's face
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  Speaker 1: on his body? Why does he have all the clippings
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  Speaker 1: from Schandre Levy in his jail cell and Sharyl McCall
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  Speaker 1: him e Even more damning is not one, not two,
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  Speaker 1: but three that we know of similar transaction, females that
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  Speaker 1: he attacked in the same part, just yards away from
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  Speaker 1: where Shaundre's remains were found. Of course he's involved. Was
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  Speaker 1: it him alone? I don't know. Did someone pay him
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  Speaker 1: or suggest that he do this? I don't know that,
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  Speaker 1: but I know he was convicted. Why would the state
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  Speaker 1: just drop the case and send the guy away to
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  Speaker 1: El Salvador and Cheryl McCollum keep the star witness under
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  Speaker 1: protective custody. The According to reports, why would they get
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  Speaker 1: ugly with miss Levey needs when I called? When you called?
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  Speaker 1: What other people call and say, hey, y'all, why don't
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  Speaker 1: you review everything and re chance the evidence now were
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  Speaker 1: the latest, greatest stuff, instead of saying, wait a minute,
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  Speaker 1: maybe that's a good idea. Let's, you know, get back
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  Speaker 1: in the war room and work this thing from the
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  Speaker 1: ground up again. No, no, they call miss Levey angry
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  Speaker 1: at her that she's got people reaching album our behalf.
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  Speaker 1: They ignore the fact there's not one, but two similar transactions.
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  Speaker 1: And Nathan, you and I both know if you've got
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  Speaker 1: very similar crimes and a five mile radius, that looks
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  Speaker 1: good all day. If you've got it within a mile,
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  Speaker 1: you can pretty much guarantee it's the same person. In
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  Speaker 1: this situation, you're talking about yards yards, just yards. You know,
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  Speaker 1: the investigation was bungled at the get go. There was
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  Speaker 1: evidence that in Shaundre's apartment of building that they had
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  Speaker 1: surveillance videos. She goes missing, nobody gets the tape. They
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  Speaker 1: tape over it every seventy two hours or something like that,
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  Speaker 1: and they lose the tape. They get into her computer
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  Speaker 1: and destroy all the evidence. They manage at some point
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  Speaker 1: to you know, re access much of the computer evidence.
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  Speaker 1: But just one thing after the next, after the next.
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  Speaker 1: They ignored some nine one one call. There was a
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  Speaker 1: scream in a park and complex. And this doesn't make sense.
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  Speaker 1: My daughter would scream if someone was to take her
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  Speaker 1: out of there. She doesn't run by the way in parks.
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  Speaker 1: She is not a park runner. That's interesting. On her
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  Speaker 1: computer there was evidence she had looked up there's a
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  Speaker 1: mansion in Rock Creek Park, as if that's where she
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  Speaker 1: were going. That part sounds like an elaborate setup to
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  Speaker 1: plant that and have her go there to what meets someone?
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  Speaker 1: Why would she go there if she didn't typically jog there,
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  Speaker 1: Miss Levy, that's true. Prosecutors are declining to comment on
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  Speaker 1: recordings that seemed to indicate Armando Morales was lying. He
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  Speaker 1: was recorded by a neighbor stating he lied about Gone Dek,
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  Speaker 1: his one time sealmate in a Kentucky prison. But what
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  Speaker 1: about all the other evidence, Cheryl McCullum, not just Morales.
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  Speaker 1: There's hours and hours of tape that they won't release
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  Speaker 1: that she won't be able to hear. There are two
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  Speaker 1: similar transactions. Well, those are just the two that he
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  Speaker 1: was serving time for, cheryld. We're more than just those two.
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  Speaker 1: Those two women are the two that he was actually
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  Speaker 1: doing jail time for attacking them in Rock Creek Park,
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  Speaker 1: just yards from where Schaudra's remains were found. There are
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  Speaker 1: others that he wasn't prosecuted for. Absolutely, but let's break
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  Speaker 1: that down. The other two women were the same general
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  Speaker 1: height as Chardre, same stature, build, dark curly hair, running
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  Speaker 1: in Rock Creek Park with a walkman at the end
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  Speaker 1: of their route, so they're fatigued and they're tired. That
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  Speaker 1: is not just an m back damn near a signature,
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  Speaker 1: Miss Levy. I heard someone ask you just recently, why
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  Speaker 1: don't you quote move on? Well, when I heard the question,
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  Speaker 1: it just as my son said, it was cringey. It
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  Speaker 1: literally made me physically cringe. When I heard some one
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  Speaker 1: ask you, miss lady, why don't you just move on
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  Speaker 1: from this? I have to turn every stone. It is
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  Speaker 1: my belief that even there's a very possibility that sunder
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  Speaker 1: may have never been killed in that park or may
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  Speaker 1: have been taken away and replaced there. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: why I feel that it is such like like deep
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  Speaker 1: inside me. But you don't move on when you lose
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  Speaker 1: a child. Yes, you go out and live in your
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  Speaker 1: life the best you know how. But someone out there
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  Speaker 1: knows what really did happen, the truth. And I do
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  Speaker 1: not want to have my daughter's death forgotten, and that
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  Speaker 1: if her death meant to open up an avenue for
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  Speaker 1: other people to get to their truth quicker, that would
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  Speaker 1: be great. I can't say one hundred percent sure that
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  Speaker 1: this case is closed, and it's code again. The me
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  Speaker 1: too movement involves those people who have us, have lost
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  Speaker 1: their lives, and in my case, my daughter had been manipulated,
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  Speaker 1: had lost your life, and I am her voice. Oh
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  Speaker 1: willing with me. Schandra's mother, Susan Levy, who has traveled
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  Speaker 1: from California. Also with me the director of the Cold
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Case Research Institute, Cheryl McCullum. Cheryl, I tried with the
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: prosecutors to get them to retest the evidence. I had
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: a stonewall, and I kept trying it with all diplomacy
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: I could muster. Miss Levey tried. That's the outrage that
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: a victim's mother was treated that way, and it hurts me. Cheryl,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: I was a felony prosecutor. I am a crime victim.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: I feel like I'm still part of the justice system
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: as we all are, and it hurts me about what
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: is going on right now. When you tried, Cheryl McCollum,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: to get the evidence retested, essentially I got the message, well,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: I'm about to retire. You know, I'm not touching this case.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: It's over as far as I'm concerned, forget about it.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Basically is that the nutshell of what you got pretty
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: much what I got. The first thing she wanted to
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: do was correct how I addressed her. Each state and city,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: they you know, they have different things they call their prosecutor,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: so it could be an attorney general, you know, whatever.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: So she wanted to be sure that I had the
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: right title and so I knew at that point it
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: was going to go south. But here's the thing that
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: do You and I both started our careers really as
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: victim advocate, whether it was in the courtroom or the
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Fatter Woman's shelter or RT crisis, that's what we did.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: And in this case, when you look at what miss
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Levy has been through, her daughter goes missing, they do
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: not find her for a year, even though they supposedly
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: search fat areas. After that, there was a period of
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: seven years Nancy where she didn't hear a word from
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: the police or prosecutors or anybody. Seven years of not
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: knowing what the heck of going on with this case.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: And now she's asking for something very small. It's nothing
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: to get this tested. We even offered the freaking pay
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: for well, I didn't know that part, Cheryl. You offered
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: to use your own facilities and equipment that you can
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: access to retest the evidence in the Sean Leevie case.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: And even though it would not cost their office one penny,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: they declined, they won't even respond. And they again they
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: got very ugly with her, not knowing why she had
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Nancy Gray's call up there. Well, she had Nancy Gray's
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: call up there because Cheryl the call up couldn't get
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: it done. Well, I'm sorry to say you and I
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: are frying in the same pan right now. We're stilling
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: in the same pot. I couldn't get it done either.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: But what really burns me up is talking miss Levy
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: like that, Miss Levy, when you called for Shaundrew's evidence
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: to be retested. What was their demeanor? They just didn't
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: give me any answer. Is it any way that they're
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: still working on this? And the police, you know, they
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: kind of beat around the bush and and they really
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: said there's nothing more that can be done. Really, they
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: haven't heard about the MVAC and touch technology, and that's
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: what I told them. And then they they they stood out,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: you know, it's all been washed out. That's what we did,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: is washed the stuff out or something I guess they
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: figure as a wet vacuum, and it washed up all
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: the evidence out. It's not my understanding what technology is,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: but I know that there have been cases like the
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: California Killer serial killer that was they were able to
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: find out who that man was. And it's always that
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: chance that may be we can find out a little
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: bit more than than what we know already. What I'm saying,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Miss Levy is that star witness. And I'm saying that
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: with air quotees liar or no liar, I would argue
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: to the jury he was lying when he said he
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: was lying. Okay, if I believed in my case, But
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: forget about him. If there is DNA there, you don't
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: need him. And what skin off their back is it
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: to have it retested? What have they lost it it's
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: somewhere lost in the evidence dream or worse, what would
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: how would it hurt them to take the evidence with
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: their own little, hot little hands to the crime lab
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: and have it. In fact, maybe they don't know where
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: they put the evidence at. I'm not sure. It's just see,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: I hate to say that I went to pick up
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: my daughter's clothing belongings that she had, and I went
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: to an awful part of town and they have thousands
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: of other murdered boxes of people's remaining clothing, and knowing
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: the way the government works, maybe they don't know what
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: they're always doing. Well, I've got to tell you, you
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: know that strikes me to the core because my whole
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: world has been built on being part of the system.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: But I know that the system fails, and that's very
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: hurtful but also very true. And Klinga Mansion. One time
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: I went on my own investigating what Kalinga mansion is about,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: and I found all kinds of advertisements. You know, they
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: do weddings, they do children's part parties. But at that
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: time that I was investigating on my own, they say,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: we can do everything that your heart desires. Imagine, and
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: then it makes me wonder if there's more to Kalinga
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: than we all know regarding why she was there, right
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: she was near that as hostile is kind of like
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: a well, i'll say, a mansion in the middle or
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: near Rock Creek Park where shaundres remains were found. We
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: are talking with Seandre Levy's mother, Or who is back
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: in the fray now after being absent processing the loss
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: of her daughter, the trial and the shocking aftermath after
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: the killer, who was convicted by a jury is set
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: free to go home to ol Salvador. I don't understand it,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: she doesn't understand why the case wasn't reinvestigated and tried again.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: I want to go back to something very important, Miss Levy.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: To many people, Sandra's name is now a headline. They
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: don't remember the pain that you suffered. I don't think
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: it's a headline in the same way that it was before,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: because it's a new generation. Ten twenty years. I've gone
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: to schools and speak for the Day of Respect, and
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: it's amazing because this new generation is longer. Did you
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: go the more? The name isn't a headline because people
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: would forget, you know what, Let's remind them the day
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: that Chandra disappeared. Tell me about what was happening that
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: day in your life when you discovered your daughter was missing.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: But my husband first kind of realized before I did,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: because he had made many many calls and didn't get
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: any calls back. And she was supposed to come home
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: for her college graduation and we didn't know what her
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: plans were, and it's highly unlike her not to tell
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: us that when she was coming back, so that my
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: husband kind of knew before I did or suspected. And
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: then later on I wound up calling our congressman, and
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: then what happened, well, actually my husband called the FBI
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: FBI and and the congressman, and then a second time
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: I called and got Musach and finally asked if he
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: knew where Shaundra was and later on we got phone,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: you know phones, because she was an she was an intern,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: and she got phone. We got our phone records, which
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: was very hard to get from Verizon or whatever at
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: and T. I don't know what we had. I think
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: it's Verizon and we had to go through a lot
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: of ropes to get that. And there were many, many,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: many many calls going to his office day and night.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: I don't understand why you were having to do this
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: and not the police. I don't know if the police did,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: but we did, okay, And then what did the sell
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: what did the phone wreckers reveal? That she was calling
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: constantly to a specific number and that number was him.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: It was belonged to Gary Khan, And of course he
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: told me that basically, he gets a lot of calls
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: from interns and people who want to know a vice
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: about like FBI, and you know what, you don't get
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: a second language, you know, so you can get into Okay,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: take a listen to Congressperson Gary Condit talking with our
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: friend doctor Phil. You developed a friendship with her, and
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: you saw her outside the office, correct. I saw her
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: one time, sorry, I saw her one time outside the
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: office at a restaurant, and she came by my conduce
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: any about your condu once, well, maybe twice. Yeah, I
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: think it was twice you came by, Okay, But once again,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: I want to make this clear, there's nothing unusual about
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: someone coming by my conduct. A lot of people did, so,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: you know, people have made some speculation about that means
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: something special. But you know, well, we're the police making
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: something out of that, trying to trying to absolutely Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: well they were trying to make something out everything they could.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Gary Condit, the congress person was actually in a meeting
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: with the then vice president. I know he was not
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: there at the time we think Schandra went missing. But
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: I also know, Cheryl McCollum, that he has waffled on
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: how many times he saw Chandra to explain away all
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: the phone calls, all the messages he left there at
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: her home. As a matter of fact, let's take a
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: listen to Congressman Condent leaving a message with CHANDRAI heard
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: from maybe you're out of the out of the country
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: or something. Anyway, Now, again, Cheryl, we know that at
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: the time we think Schandra went missing, that he was
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: actually in a closed door meeting with the vice president. Okay,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: regarding his relationship with her, he's always been very very
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: unclear at something place. Anyone who is asked not to
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: carry their ID and what with them to me is
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: setting them up. Why do you say that, Well, it
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: just seems like it just seems ironic that if someone
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: didn't have ID and wallet, how you know, if something
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: happened to them, then you would not be able to
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: identify them as fast. I know that I've been told that, oh,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: he didn't want to being you know, criminated. But basically
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: I just can't believe she would not carry ID and wallet.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: And also she left some of her jewelry A hand
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: of God. It's a little necklace I gave to her
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: in Israel. She left it in the apartment and she
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: never takes it off because it maybe showering. It just
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: something doesn't strike me. Do you think someone told her
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: not to carry her ID? Oh, whenever she went to
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: see him? How do you know that? I think either
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Linda or Chounder told me. I guessed that she was
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: seeing him. But why would you go out with out
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: an idea? Why would you go running in if you're
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: going to a park without a phone, without an idea
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: doesn't make sense to Cheryl McCullum. The just for me
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: of what miss Levy is saying is that there are
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: so many loose ends in the case that have never
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: been tied up, never been answered. And I have a
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: couple other questions as far as people in gail, they
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: have killed people, do they always put their tattoos about
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: the women that have been killed that they have killed
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: on their body or the people who are in jail
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: just generally make tattoos of attractive women. You know, Cheryl,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: have you seen the tattoo that gone DK has. It's
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Chandra Levy, it's her face. It's certainly a striking reason.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: What'sa There's no doubt about that. And again they questioned,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: why why would you do that if it's not the
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: brag or to force people that you know ask him
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: about it so that he can tell the stories. Well.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: To hear it from defense attorney Bernie Grimm, he and
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: I got into a fight over it. He says that
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Gundique bragged about killing Chandra to make himself a big
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: guy behind bars. But to me, you don't brag about that.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: He told that to a penpal that he taught to
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: on the phone, he told people behind bars, he told
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: the so called star witness. Morales said that to many
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: other people, combined with keeping clippings about Chandra Levy having
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: her face tattooed on his body, not only that, attacking
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: multiple women within yards of where Schandra's remains were found
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: in the same m o dark headed women jogging in
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: the park from behind. You would have walked right up
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: to him before this trial it ever started, and you
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: would have said, tell me one thing about vaccine. It's
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: never been in the paper. Either he can or he can't.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: You're right if he knew something very specific. Where's her
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: pinky ring? Tell me what kind of knot the pants
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: were tied in? Tell me something, Educate me. I bet
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: he can. Shandrew's mother is with me here, Susan lady,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: do you recall that day you learned Chandra was no
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: longer a missing person but her remains have been identified.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Horrible day. Your world is shattered, nothing's never the same,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: and you ask God why, and it tempts your faith
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: in the belief of God, because God is sleeping on
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: the job. That's how I felt. My husband used to
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: say that Now I feel it more that way. Why
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: such violent Why did this ever have to happen? And
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: how many other people that have god through the same thing.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: And I even think of that people that may have
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: been in my community that went missing and they could
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: find that person's body or remains. So it's not easy.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: This is not easy to be here doing this. I
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: wish we had my daughter ability to be able to
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: tell us, you know, but she'll say, what difference does
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: it make? And I say, it makes a difference for
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: a lot of people. Do you believe, Cheryl McCullum, that
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: there were claims of prosecutorial misconduct, which I don't necessarily believe.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Do you believe that this is just a sore spot
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: for the prosecutors that they don't want to reopen. I
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: can worms is that what they consider this case to be, Nancy,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, again, I'm pretty sculled because
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: you were my prosecutor, and then I had a string
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: of other prosecutors that were extraordinary as well, and they
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: would fight, they would put cases up even if they
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: believed they were going to lose them, because they knew
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: it was the right thing to do. And in this situation,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: I cannot think of a reason that you would not
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: double back, start over, build your case without the one
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: lying witness, or to your point, put him up and
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: make him now talk about it. Why would you lie?
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: And then all these other people didn't lie? You know,
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: the penpal had no reason to lie. The other salemates
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: had no reason to life. His tattoo, don't life his
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: similar transactions, don't lie his criminal history in El Salvador.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Don't lie. Put it up. I don't understand any of
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: this is what I know. I know that this case
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: garnered attention at the beginning because congress then Congressperson Geary
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: Conduct had allegedly been having a romantic relationship with a
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: female intern over twenty years younger than him, a married congressman. Well,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: police say he has been exonerated, that he was in
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: a meeting with the Vice President Dick Cheney at the
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: time Schandra goes missing. But what about gun Dk Why
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: was he cut free? Why hasn't the case been prosecuted,
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: and more to my point right now, why are prosecutors
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: stonewalling Schandra's mother on retesting the evidence. This case is
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: not over. Nancy Grace Crime Stories signing off, goodbye friend,