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Furness Show 1-15: Corbin Smith, Gregg Bell, Stewart Mandel · The Ian Furness Show

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  Speaker 1: All right, let's see what we got. I'm gonna get
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  Speaker 1: into just a topic here in a second.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: We'll be doing the show we meet will be doing
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  Speaker 1: the show there tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's be let's be specific when we'll be at.
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  Speaker 1: Hawks Peak tomorrow from one to three. We'll have great
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  Speaker 1: co cell on the preview, a play we haven't had.
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  Speaker 1: We haven't had a great co sale playoff preview for
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  Speaker 1: a few years, so we'll looking forward to that coming
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  Speaker 1: up tomorrow. Uh. So that's coming up with Cosel. We'll
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  Speaker 1: have rang on. Uh. We'll also checking with Danny O'Neil,
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  Speaker 1: who wrote a great column today the three. And it's
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  Speaker 1: actually funny because I felt like I was reading to
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  Speaker 1: Calum that Danny and I have discussed a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: times today, uh in the day apostrophe. But we'll talk
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  Speaker 1: to him tomorrow. Basically, it's it's you know, how the
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  Speaker 1: Seahawks got here? The decisions they made, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: and all those things, and and you know, you know,
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  Speaker 1: hiring the right coaches the top of the list, right
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  Speaker 1: like that's it's we all know how that works. And
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  Speaker 1: and you know, Danny and I spent some time last
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  Speaker 1: week talking about that, Mike McDonald, and I saw a
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  Speaker 1: tweet from a guy today, a guy that covers the
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  Speaker 1: NFL for Fox Sports. Greg Allman is his name, and
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  Speaker 1: he so the twenty twenty two coaching class, all right.
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  Speaker 1: That so the coaches that were hired in twenty twenty two,
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  Speaker 1: four years ago, they're one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine. Ten.
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  Speaker 1: Out of those ten guys that were hired to coach,
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  Speaker 1: to start coaching in the fall of twenty twenty two,
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  Speaker 1: four seasons ago, any guests out of the ten, how
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  Speaker 1: many are still coaching right.
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  Speaker 3: Now, still coaching or still coaching with the same.
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  Speaker 1: Team, Well, doesn't even matter. But yeah, with the same
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  Speaker 1: Okay as a head coach.
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  Speaker 2: Jess, go ahead, I'm gonna think about this for a second.
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  Speaker 2: Three Okay, that's kind of where I was thinking. Three
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  Speaker 2: or four, So I'll say four two?
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  Speaker 1: What two? Two?
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  Speaker 3: Wow, here's the list to come in the NHL.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Kevin O'Connell Minnesota, Todd Bowles obviously, Mike McDaniel fired,
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  Speaker 1: Doug Peterson fired, Dennis Allen fired, Josh McDaniels fired, Brian
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  Speaker 1: Dable fired, Matt ebra Flues fired twice. Wow, Nathaniel Hackett fired,
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  Speaker 1: Lovey Smith. So eight of the ten are gone. We'll
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  Speaker 1: talk about this with Danny tomorrow, a little bit with
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  Speaker 1: Mike McDonald because it's I think it's just God making
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  Speaker 1: the right decision is so huge. Or talked about that
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  Speaker 1: with Holmegren yesterday, and you know the decision John Schneider made.
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  Speaker 1: And you can all raise your hand if you like.
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  Speaker 1: How many people were like, man, they didn't get the
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  Speaker 1: guy they wanted, because I think they really needed to
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  Speaker 1: get Ben Johnson. And listen, Ben Johnson's got his team
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  Speaker 1: were in the playoffs, right, they're they're a two seats.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing wrong with that, really good coach. Yeah, I'll take
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  Speaker 1: our guy over him any day of the week. Any
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  Speaker 1: day of the week, I'll take our guy. I like
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  Speaker 1: Ben Johnson do. He's got a little red ass to him.
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  Speaker 1: But like there were people kind of disappointed in this market,
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  Speaker 1: like he's like, we didn't get the guy and we
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  Speaker 1: should have got Ben Johnson. They got the guy they wanted,
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  Speaker 1: and it's been just a hell of a ride, all right.
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  Speaker 1: I tease this with MG in the midday. I was
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  Speaker 1: gonna go a different road today, route today, but I
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  Speaker 1: heard him on what he had Lewis rittickon I heard
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  Speaker 1: just a little bit of that and I think it's
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  Speaker 1: towards the end and I heard him say something and
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  Speaker 1: I thought, wow, that's an interesting way. And we've had
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  Speaker 1: these conversations before. Every sport's different, Every team in this
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  Speaker 1: market's different, every team in every market across the country
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  Speaker 1: is different in terms of expectations. But we can do
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  Speaker 1: some text four nine four five one and the Tacoma
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  Speaker 1: Dodge text line four nine four five one. Big thanks
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  Speaker 1: to Kamba Dodge, or you can go to the iHeartRadio app,
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  Speaker 1: the red microphone and fire away. We had some good
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  Speaker 1: Monday and Tuesday. Just Tuesday, it feels like we've had some.
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  Speaker 4: Tuesday, we had a lot of really good one.
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  Speaker 1: Do we have good ones Monday too? It feels like
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  Speaker 1: a couple of times we've used that this week. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, maybe I'm wrong.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, our listeners have stepped up their game with the talk.
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  Speaker 3: I like it and I like to.
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  Speaker 5: Hear from you.
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  Speaker 3: Pleasease keep me company.
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  Speaker 1: So here's what we're going to ask you. Go to
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  Speaker 1: the red microphone. iHeartRadio apps be for thirty seconds or less.
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  Speaker 1: That's kind of the time limit there. So MJ said
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  Speaker 1: the following beautiful sports cliche, and and it's one. It's
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  Speaker 1: a great sports radio topic. And that's why, thank you, MJ.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate you. I'm taking it and I'm gonna run
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  Speaker 1: with it and take it to the next step, much
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  Speaker 1: like Softy normally does with our show. I'm gonna go withna.
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  Speaker 1: But he said to Lewis Reddick, he says, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's Super Bowl or bust for this team.
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  Speaker 1: And to me, what that implies. And I want to
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  Speaker 1: put words in his mouth and we'll have cross talk
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  Speaker 1: tomorrow we can talk about it more. But I like
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  Speaker 1: that tells me that if they don't get to or
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  Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl, it's a disappointment for Seattle, for
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  Speaker 1: the Seahawks, and I would just me personally, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna disagree with that, but I will tell you this,
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  Speaker 1: if they don't get to the NFC Championship game, I
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  Speaker 1: think it's a disappointment. Yes, I think is the one seed.
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  Speaker 1: You better at least not pull the Detroit Lions and
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  Speaker 1: lose the first game that you play at home. All Right,
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  Speaker 1: I think that my it's I hate to put the
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  Speaker 1: if you don't get to the super Bowl or you
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  Speaker 1: don't win a championship, it's a it's a disappointing season.
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  Speaker 1: We're only a few weeks removed from this team being
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  Speaker 1: effectively second and third place in the division, right, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So like the fact that they were able to finaggle
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  Speaker 1: their way to the top of the division and then
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  Speaker 1: the number one seed. None of us were thinking super
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  Speaker 1: Bowl or bust five weeks ago. Maybe you were. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, God, God bless you. You got your pretty
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  Speaker 1: your your if you if you're that person, man, I
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate your your support and the fact that you
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  Speaker 1: got that much belief optimism, But nobody was thinking that.
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  Speaker 1: So that's why I'm bringing that up. I just I
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  Speaker 1: think it's really an interesting dynamic, like, is it super
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  Speaker 1: Bowl or bust for you like it is for MJ
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  Speaker 1: or what what are the expectations? What would disappoint you? Ill,
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  Speaker 1: We'll all be disappointed if they don't get to the
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  Speaker 1: super Bowl, and then we'll talk about being disappointed if
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  Speaker 1: they don't win the super Bowl. Because my I'm pretty sure.
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that Seattle would be the favorite against
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  Speaker 1: anybody in the AFC and the super Bowl. Like, I
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  Speaker 1: don't think there's any doubt about that. I think they
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  Speaker 1: would be the favorite in the super Bowl if they
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  Speaker 1: get there. I think the Rams would be a favorite
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  Speaker 1: as well in the super Bowl, even though they're a
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  Speaker 1: wild card team. Maybe Chicago, it depends. I mean, the
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  Speaker 1: Nico Collins injury is massive for Houston. If he's not playing,
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  Speaker 1: that's there, that's taken JSNA, your lineup, like, that's that's
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  Speaker 1: a big loss. I think they'd be So, yeah, you
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  Speaker 1: get the super Bowl, you're probably a favorite. You'd be
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  Speaker 1: disppointed if you don't win. But is it a bad season?
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  Speaker 1: We have these discussions a lot. Man, This is taking
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  Speaker 1: me back, honestly to two thousand and fifteen, sixteen seventeen,
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  Speaker 1: when because they went to back to back Super Bowls
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  Speaker 1: and won the one, there were a lot of folks
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  Speaker 1: in this town that they just if they didn't get
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  Speaker 1: to the super Bowl again, it's massively disappointing, and they didn't.
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  Speaker 1: We all know they didn't. We all understand that it's
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  Speaker 1: been a long time, it's been over a decade. We
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  Speaker 1: all know that. But getting there is this is so hard.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, they only in quotations have to win two games.
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  Speaker 1: But this is a franchise. It's been in existence for
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  Speaker 1: fifty seasons. We're celebrating year fifty. They've been to that
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  Speaker 1: big game three times and they've won it once. I
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  Speaker 1: will not be I'm not saying Super Bowl or bust.
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  Speaker 1: I am saying NFC Championship Game or bust. Like they
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  Speaker 1: need to get there, like I would be really disappointed.
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  Speaker 1: I think then we can chalk it up to being
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  Speaker 1: opportunity lost team that prought There's no there's no reason
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  Speaker 1: to lose to this team on Saturday. Not not this
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  Speaker 1: current edition of the San Francisco forty nine ers. Who
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  Speaker 1: are they a shell of what they normally are, a
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  Speaker 1: shell of themselves. No Kiddle, probably no Warner, no Bosa.
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  Speaker 1: They got a couple other big injuries on the defensive line.
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  Speaker 1: No man, this is their wide receiving core is not
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  Speaker 1: good like it is. Like we talked about Seattle's lack
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  Speaker 1: of depth, on the off, on the on the wide,
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  Speaker 1: for the wide receivers, I'm gonna take our guy JSN
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  Speaker 1: all Pro and then take your pick from there of
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  Speaker 1: Rashid Shiheed and Cooper Cup and AJ Barner. I'll take
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  Speaker 1: that group over them any day. This is not your
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  Speaker 1: San Francisco forty nine ers that if you were in
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  Speaker 1: August penciled it out, this is who they'd be. No,
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  Speaker 1: not even close. So yeah, if you don't get to
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  Speaker 1: the into the NC Championship game, to me, disappointing, that's
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  Speaker 1: an opportunity lost. But what do you think? Is it
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  Speaker 1: MJ's going with super Bowl or bust? Do you agree
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  Speaker 1: four nine four or five one or I'd love to
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  Speaker 1: hear your talk backs. What are what would get? What
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  Speaker 1: would you make you content as a Seahawks fan as
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  Speaker 1: we head into this first playoff game, So you can
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  Speaker 1: fire that away, Andrews fire away, what's your thoughts.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna take a step further than you.
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  Speaker 2: I think if they don't make it to the super Bowl,
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  Speaker 2: it would be a massive disappointment for me. I think
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  Speaker 2: that the best team in the NFL. Therefore, I feel
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  Speaker 2: like they should live up to those expectations.
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  Speaker 3: In the playoffs. Pretty simple for me.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely win this game and it's a forty nine ers,
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  Speaker 2: and then I still think you should be feel like
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  Speaker 2: you need to win the next game as well. If
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  Speaker 2: they don't win the Super Bowl, a lot of stuff
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  Speaker 2: can happen in one game. I understand that, but I
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  Speaker 2: still think they need to make it to the Super
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  Speaker 2: Bowl to avoid like kind of a missed opportunity sort
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  Speaker 2: of vibes.
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  Speaker 3: So that's how I feel, Jess.
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  Speaker 4: I'm with Anders. I think just because of the momentum
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  Speaker 4: that they have.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you guys are a tough crowd.
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  Speaker 4: I like it, expect I think that they're that good
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  Speaker 4: that you know that they I think they're the best
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  Speaker 4: team that's still alive right now, and I think it'll
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  Speaker 4: be a disappointment if they don't make it. I'm not
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  Speaker 4: going to say, you know, make it to the NFC
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  Speaker 4: Championship Game and lose, I'm still going to be disappointed.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's a great feat and that doesn't take
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  Speaker 4: away from what the team did this year if they
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  Speaker 4: should lose in that NFC Championship game, but I will
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  Speaker 4: I will be disappointed because I think they have what
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  Speaker 4: it takes to make the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so I know we gets a break. But a
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  Speaker 1: quick twist. Were we saying heading into the al DS
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  Speaker 1: series about the baseball.
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  Speaker 2: Team that they needed to make the Alcs?
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  Speaker 1: The World Series? Wasn't Alcs or bus But if they
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  Speaker 1: don't get the World Series? Were okay with it?
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  Speaker 6: Yes?
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  Speaker 1: It underscores. I agree, because that's what it was. That's
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  Speaker 1: what it was. In general terms. The expectations for the
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  Speaker 1: football team are so far greater than the baseball team
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  Speaker 1: in this town. It's amazing. The hockey team, if they
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  Speaker 1: just get to the playoffs, we're gonna be thrilled. Now
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  Speaker 1: we also know that there's a juggernaut called Colado Avalanche,
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  Speaker 1: and so winning the Stanley Cup might be out of
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  Speaker 1: the question. They're not going to go win as a
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  Speaker 1: one seed by any means, certainly not in the West.
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  Speaker 1: But I get the expectations in this town highest for
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  Speaker 1: the Seahawks in terms of the three pro sports, highest
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  Speaker 1: for the Seahawks, number two of the Mariners and number three.
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  Speaker 3: The crack who had a regular season between the Seahawks
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  Speaker 3: and Mariners.
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  Speaker 1: Eain, Well, it would have been the Seahawks because they
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  Speaker 1: were the number one seed. But barely like bear like
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  Speaker 1: like if you look around, like they had to win
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  Speaker 1: a game. And at the end of the year the
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  Speaker 1: Mariners clinch that Al West. They weren't, they weren't the
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  Speaker 1: one seed, but they were damn close. Yeah right, they
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  Speaker 1: were damn close.
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  Speaker 4: Well, especially considering the lull they had in the summer, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, but they but just in terms of the numbers,
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  Speaker 1: in terms of standings, they were, they were very close.
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  Speaker 1: All right. So that's I want to get some talkbacks,
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  Speaker 1: say just wants to hear your voice super Bowl or bust?
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  Speaker 1: Thanks MJ or is it something else? Are you a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more realistic and nice like me and not
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  Speaker 1: going to start yelling and screaming about how is a
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  Speaker 1: bad season, which these guys apparently will do. I'm kidding.
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  Speaker 1: do you got going on? Corbin?
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  Speaker 6: Worry buddy, I'm good man.
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  Speaker 8: What a bombshell we've gotten now? Sam Donald added to
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  Speaker 8: the Seahawks final injury or questionable with a bleak injury
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  Speaker 8: time out, time.
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  Speaker 3: Out just one minute ago? Thank you, Cordyn.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's holy what? What the hell? Walk me through this?
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  Speaker 1: What the hell did this happen?
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  Speaker 8: This is a completely out of left field situation because
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  Speaker 8: Sam Donald was not on the injury report at all.
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  Speaker 6: This week for the Seahawks, so this is.
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  Speaker 8: New and the fact that they're adding him is questionable.
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  Speaker 8: We'll see what Mike McDonald has to say on that front.
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  Speaker 8: But gosh, could you imagine the circus that would be
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  Speaker 8: in play potentially if Drew Lock has to start this
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  Speaker 8: game in the divisional round?
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  Speaker 1: Holy? Holy cow, Holy cow. Well I'm just I just
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  Speaker 1: saw some some video of him running out onto the
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  Speaker 1: field a second ago using what do you call those things?
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  Speaker 1: A little miss handhelpon? Is what it's called? Theragon?
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  Speaker 3: A gun?
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  Speaker 1: Like they're a gun? They're a gun? Did what time
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  Speaker 1: is it today? Is the fifteenth? Did Sam Donald speak today?
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  Speaker 6: Yes?
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  Speaker 1: He did. Did he say anything about it? He probably didn't.
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  Speaker 4: Well, he's scheduled to speak.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's actually after practice that she's actually.
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  Speaker 1: Supposed to speak right now, Jess, can you make sure
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  Speaker 1: you're on that Yes, okay, thank you? Uh wow, that
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  Speaker 1: is crazy. Yeah, he's supposed to schedule. He's supposed to
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  Speaker 1: be talking a minute ago, open locker room at won
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  Speaker 1: fifty McDonald speaks tomorrow, Corbyn. Let me throw this at
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  Speaker 1: you because well, this is obviously kind of one of
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: those things that's happening in real time is are they
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  Speaker 1: playing games here? Like the whole Fred Warner stuff? Are
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  Speaker 1: we playing games here?
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  Speaker 9: You know?
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  Speaker 8: I wonder if that could potentially be part of the
• 14:55
  Speaker 8: you know, coachman coachmanship that's going on here. But man,
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  Speaker 8: if he has a legit oblique injury that just cropped
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  Speaker 8: up at the end of the week, like as somebody
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  Speaker 8: that is throwing the football, that that starts to go
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  Speaker 8: into the back of your mind like wait a second,
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  Speaker 8: that might not be good. So I'm not trying to
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  Speaker 8: create doomsday for fans.
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  Speaker 6: It might not be anything.
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  Speaker 8: But if there is actually an obleak strain there, I've
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  Speaker 8: had one before and I was not playing quarterback. But
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  Speaker 8: I cannot imagine trying to drive into a throw with
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  Speaker 8: an oblique injury if you have a legitimate one that
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  Speaker 8: you know. I'm thinking about when George Springer for the
• 15:39
  Speaker 8: Blue Jays was trying to play through one in the playoffs.
• 15:43
  Speaker 6: And swinging a bat.
• 15:45
  Speaker 8: So again, I'm not trying to create a doomsday scenario,
• 15:48
  Speaker 8: but this is kind of you know, this is kind
• 15:50
  Speaker 8: of interesting. This is popping up this time of week,
• 15:53
  Speaker 8: going into the biggest playoff game that this franchise has
• 15:56
  Speaker 8: had really since the Legion of Boom.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he Quinck Kubiak spoke a couple of moments ago,
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: said he doesn't want to talk about Sam Jerald. He
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: just said Drew Locke got some first team reps today.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: So McDonald speaks tomorrow, so we'll see what's going on.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: Josh Jones ruled out with a knee injury. Yeah. I
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: don't know, man, that's a what did Gino have? Didn't
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: Gino have an oblique issue for a while or was
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: it shoulder? What was his deal?
• 16:24
  Speaker 8: I don't remember him having an oblique injury.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: Maybe it was like, oh, maybe it's pack. I think
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: it might have been a pack or something as.
• 16:30
  Speaker 6: What Yeah, I think he I think he had a
• 16:32
  Speaker 6: pectoral strain.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds right. I think that was I think
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: it was a pectoral God, you know what I remember,
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think you were recovering these guys yet, Corbin.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: Back in twenty eleven, uh late Tavaris Jackson played through
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: like a pack injury all year, or an oblique injury
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: or a pack injury one of the two all year.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: I mean throwing the football. That's hard. I don't know, man,
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know, buddy. That does not sound good.
• 17:00
  Speaker 8: All the fact that Drew lock is getting first team
• 17:03
  Speaker 8: reps on the final practice leading up to the you
• 17:06
  Speaker 8: know that, look, that creates a different storyline all by itself.
• 17:11
  Speaker 8: If Seattle can't go with Sam Darnold in this game.
• 17:15
  Speaker 8: Like talk about the pressure on Drew Locke, who has
• 17:18
  Speaker 8: not started a game since that Eagles game.
• 17:21
  Speaker 6: A couple of years back for Seattle.
• 17:23
  Speaker 8: I guess he started in New York last season, but
• 17:25
  Speaker 8: hasn't started for the Seahawks since that Eagles game that
• 17:28
  Speaker 8: he orchestrated the win against the Eagles late.
• 17:31
  Speaker 6: So it's I guess. I guess that's the.
• 17:33
  Speaker 8: Positive thing that you could put into this and and
• 17:36
  Speaker 8: it could be a case where they're just being cautious
• 17:38
  Speaker 8: to We'll see what Mike McDonald has to say when
• 17:40
  Speaker 8: he talks to the media, but we're not gonna hear
• 17:42
  Speaker 8: from him till tomorrow. So that's the schedule that we've
• 17:45
  Speaker 8: got this week with the Saturday game. So now everybody's
• 17:49
  Speaker 8: just gonna be kind of hanging on a thread here
• 17:51
  Speaker 8: wondering what the heck is going on until then.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, I mean, we'll see it. Sure feels
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: like this is a day and age where you get
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: the old shot in there and the ware you go.
• 18:07
  Speaker 8: I would, but he's so much different when he can
• 18:11
  Speaker 8: run a little bit, like if he if he's got
• 18:13
  Speaker 8: mobility issues that I mean, man, I've got a lot
• 18:18
  Speaker 8: to write about here in a little bit.
• 18:21
  Speaker 6: This this could potentially be a massive issue from the
• 18:24
  Speaker 6: Seattle Seahawks.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, boy, Yeah, that's that's crazy. I The thing
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: that's that's weird about it is like injured in practice,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Like just that's such a weird like you're because obviously
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: he hasn't played in two weeks. He hasn't been on
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: the injury report until today. So did something twisted something,
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: did something? Man, I'd be looking. I'd be looking internally
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: right now at my strength and training staff going what
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: the hell are we doing? Like what is going on here?
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: That's just is that's just crazy. All right, Let's I'm
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: gonna play doomsday for a second. Let's assume that he's
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: in a situation where they just don't feel comfortable with
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: him starting. What does that mean, Drew Locke you mentioned
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: hasn't played in a while. What does that do to
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: this offense?
• 19:11
  Speaker 8: Well, first and foremost, if he thought they ran the
• 19:14
  Speaker 8: ball a lot in week eighteen, wait till you see Saturday,
• 19:18
  Speaker 8: Which might not be a bad thing, because this is
• 19:20
  Speaker 8: a forty nine ers defense that's had some issues defending
• 19:23
  Speaker 8: the run, and we know Seattle rushed for one hundred
• 19:26
  Speaker 8: and eighty yards in that game less than two weeks ago.
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: But at the.
• 19:30
  Speaker 8: Same time, you know, if you're Robert sala, I think
• 19:33
  Speaker 8: that really changes the way that he's going to coordinate
• 19:37
  Speaker 8: things because and I wrote about this yesterday ironically, I
• 19:40
  Speaker 8: was writing about Stam Darnold having the ball in his
• 19:44
  Speaker 8: court going into this game, because I do expect Robert
• 19:47
  Speaker 8: sala is going to be playing a second his second
• 19:49
  Speaker 8: safety in the box a bit more in this game
• 19:52
  Speaker 8: the way that he did in the second half in
• 19:54
  Speaker 8: that game a couple of weeks ago, when they held
• 19:56
  Speaker 8: the Seahawks of sixty five rushing yards in the last
• 19:59
  Speaker 8: two quarters. Now, I absolutely if I'm Roberts, So I'm like,
• 20:02
  Speaker 8: I'm absolutely doing that.
• 20:04
  Speaker 6: I'm getting rid of my.
• 20:05
  Speaker 8: Two deep safety looks, and I'm not near as worried
• 20:08
  Speaker 8: about the shot plays downfield if Sam Donald's not playing,
• 20:11
  Speaker 8: and I'm gonna try to turn up the heat on
• 20:14
  Speaker 8: Drew Lock and see if I can coax him into
• 20:16
  Speaker 8: a couple of turnovers too. So I think it manipulates
• 20:20
  Speaker 8: what the forty nine ers are gonna do schematically and
• 20:23
  Speaker 8: be more comfortable doing, and that has a ripple effect
• 20:26
  Speaker 8: on Seattle. I I don't know. And Drew Lock has
• 20:28
  Speaker 8: the arm talent to get the ball down field, I
• 20:30
  Speaker 8: just don't know that he is. He doesn't have to
• 20:32
  Speaker 8: touch that Sam Donald has, and it's been a long
• 20:34
  Speaker 8: time since he has started a game, So yeah, you're
• 20:36
  Speaker 8: putting a lot in his plate. But he is a
• 20:38
  Speaker 8: veteran and he has played a lot of football. So
• 20:41
  Speaker 8: Seattle's in a better spot than a lot of teams
• 20:43
  Speaker 8: would be in this case. But if that's where things
• 20:46
  Speaker 8: are going out. It doesn't matter who your backup quarterback is.
• 20:49
  Speaker 8: If you're in the divisional round and suddenly you have
• 20:51
  Speaker 8: to go with that guy starting a game for the
• 20:52
  Speaker 8: first time in the year, that creates a bleach situation
• 20:56
  Speaker 8: game plan wise.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: I'm just glancing. I don't think Sam's even taking a
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: snap ever or Drew locks that are taking a snap
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: in in postseason, right, so because yes, and he's with
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: some bad teams in the Seattle obviously he didn't.
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't think he's ever gotten a playoff rep.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he would have. The only time he
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: probably was I'm just looking through the only time he
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: would have been in the playoffs, right, would have been
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: probably well he would have backed up Gino, right.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, twenty twenty two to three.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, twenty twenty two or twenty three.
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: And he obviously didn't play any in those games.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I mean, well that'd be interesting. I
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: I I feel, I mean, start talking about the guys
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: that you don't want to lose your quarterbacks. Canna bet
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: the top of the list for a game and how
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: it changes things Drew Lock is it's the drop from
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Sam Darnald and Drew lock is significant. There's a lot
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: of teams across football that the drop from the number
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: one to the number two would be a lot worse.
• 21:54
  Speaker 8: This also team built on Yeah, that's the like you said,
• 21:57
  Speaker 8: that's the optimistic take we can take with this, and
• 21:59
  Speaker 8: is that there are a lot of teams in the
• 22:01
  Speaker 8: league where you would be you know, I can't repeat
• 22:04
  Speaker 8: the quote that now retired Tom Moore said about losing
• 22:07
  Speaker 8: Peyton Manning and why they never gave any other quarterbacks reps.
• 22:11
  Speaker 8: I can't repeat that on the air, But there's a
• 22:14
  Speaker 8: lot of teams in the NFL who would share that viewpoint.
• 22:17
  Speaker 8: I can at least say the Seahawks have a guy
• 22:19
  Speaker 8: that they feel they can win games with and believe
• 22:21
  Speaker 8: they can win games with, and.
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: The question is going to be can he win a
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: playoff game for you? And how much is the rest
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: of the team gonna be able to pick him up?
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just now just came out on the other side
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: of the ball, Fred Warner will not be activated for
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Saturday's games, said Kyle Shanahan.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: So okay, there you go. So yeah, I'm just that's
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: being no surprise there. Also, yeah, that's not a surprise
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: That's why I said with the darnold thing, he's you know,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: if he sore, they're taping those practices. The league keeps
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: an eye on those things. If he's feeling something and
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: they want to give some snaps and other stuff and
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: he's gonna be sitting out some some drills. They got
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: a list of his questionable they didn't list him as doubtful, right, Corbyn,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: that's I think that's a that's a pretty if.
• 23:04
  Speaker 8: He's listen as doubtful, like you might as well put out, yes.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's a significant, significant thing that he's not
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: listed as doubtful. The fact he's listening as questionable is
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: certainly not great, but the fact that he's not listed
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: is doubtful is good. Doubt Phil leaves you like that
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: little glimmer of hope. But for the most part, like
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Corbyn said, he ain't gonna play. So if it is
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Drew Locke, we'll have to wait and see that. That
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: makes things really interesting, doesn't it? For this weekend? No
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Fred Warner, though again Kyle Shanahan making that official just
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: a couple of minutes ago for the San Francisco forty
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: nine ers. All right, let's work on the assumption Corbyn
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: that he is playing and all things being kind of
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: what they were two weeks ago, except we know one
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: guy that isn't playing, and that is and that is
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: George Kittle. What does that do for San Francisco?
• 23:48
  Speaker 8: You know, it obviously is a big drop off when
• 23:51
  Speaker 8: you're going from an all pro, a perennial all pro
• 23:53
  Speaker 8: like George Kittle to the other tight ends that the
• 23:55
  Speaker 8: forty nine ers have. I just I don't expect that
• 23:58
  Speaker 8: it's gonna alder how the forty nine offense operates very
• 24:01
  Speaker 8: much though, And you know, the Seahawks figured out Tonga
• 24:04
  Speaker 8: has had the game winning touchdown in Week one, so
• 24:07
  Speaker 8: it's not like the Seahawks don't know about their other
• 24:09
  Speaker 8: tight ends on this roster. Kyle Uschek is that h
• 24:13
  Speaker 8: back fullback that can play some tight end, and they've
• 24:16
  Speaker 8: been using him more in that capacity. Now they're gonna
• 24:18
  Speaker 8: have even more reason to do that with Kittle being out.
• 24:21
  Speaker 8: Farrell's a guy that you can make a few plays
• 24:23
  Speaker 8: if you need him to. I just don't think it's
• 24:26
  Speaker 8: gonna change the way the forty nine ers approach their offense.
• 24:28
  Speaker 8: They're still gonna have their two back sets They're still
• 24:30
  Speaker 8: gonna have multiple tight end personnel groupings, and they're gonna
• 24:35
  Speaker 8: be looking to get some of those tight ends involved
• 24:36
  Speaker 8: in the passing game.
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: Use check maybe a bigger part of that.
• 24:40
  Speaker 8: But it clearly takes away a guy that has been
• 24:42
  Speaker 8: a thorn in Seattle side offensively for a long time.
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: They did hold him down.
• 24:48
  Speaker 8: In Week eighteen, just five catches for twenty nine yards.
• 24:51
  Speaker 8: But you've got Nicki Minwori who's been the equalizer against
• 24:55
  Speaker 8: tight ends. Now you can utilize him against Tongas and
• 24:58
  Speaker 8: the rest of the tight ends that the forty nine
• 25:00
  Speaker 8: ers have, and Christian McCaffrey as well out of the backfield.
• 25:04
  Speaker 8: I don't expect that it's going to all their Seattle's
• 25:06
  Speaker 8: defensive approach very much, if at all, because I just
• 25:09
  Speaker 8: don't expect Shanahan to just suddenly read write his offense
• 25:13
  Speaker 8: and shift things that much with the injury, even though
• 25:16
  Speaker 8: it is a significant one for them talent wise.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: All right, Corbin Smith joining us here on the Beacon
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Plumbing hotline. The Yeah, I brought this up with the
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: guys earlier, and I brought it up for our listeners
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: as well. What is the realistic our buddy, mg in
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: the midday said, you know, super Bowl up rust for
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: this team, anything you know basic which insinuates anything less
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: than super Bowl's a disappointment. I countered with in my
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: opinion would be Corbin a fifty years, they've been in
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl three times. Getting there's really hard. And
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: just a few weeks ago we were talking about this
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: team hopefully getting in as a wild card team. Now
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: they're the number one seed, and obviously that does change
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: probably expectations. Obviously you get home field advantage, get the
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: buy in the first round. But if they don't get
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: to the super Bowl with this particular Seahawk team, is
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: it a disappointing season or or not? I would take
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: it one step further. I said, I think they need
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: to Now this is before Darnold, but I would say
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: they at least need to get to the NFC Championship game.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: If they don't do that and they lose the first game,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: ie what Detroit did last year, then I think then
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: I'll go down the disappointment road. If they lose a
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: great game to the Rams or the Bears next week, like,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: you know what, pretty good time in Mike McDonald's second year.
• 26:29
  Speaker 8: But what do you say, yeah, I think you and
• 26:32
  Speaker 8: I are an agreement on that. I do think if
• 26:35
  Speaker 8: they lose this week, and especially consider in look, the
• 26:38
  Speaker 8: reality is the forty nine ers are missing Fred Warner,
• 26:41
  Speaker 8: they're missing Nick Bosa, they don't have Brandon Au. Trent
• 26:46
  Speaker 8: Williams is playing it well below one hundred percent. Like,
• 26:49
  Speaker 8: you lose this game to San Francisco with all the
• 26:52
  Speaker 8: injuries at George Kittle as well, all the guys that
• 26:55
  Speaker 8: are out for that team, like, this is your window,
• 26:58
  Speaker 8: this is your time. If you lose to the Rams
• 27:01
  Speaker 8: or the Bears, who are much healthier teams in the
• 27:04
  Speaker 8: NFC Championship game, than so be it. If they just
• 27:07
  Speaker 8: outraged beat you, it's a great season. But I think
• 27:10
  Speaker 8: if you lose this game to the forty nine ers
• 27:12
  Speaker 8: with the injuries, now Sam Donald doesn't play, obviously that
• 27:15
  Speaker 8: that's an asterisk that we can put on there as well.
• 27:18
  Speaker 8: But assuming that he is gonna play, and the health
• 27:20
  Speaker 8: that Seattle has coming off the bye week slipping up
• 27:24
  Speaker 8: this weekend, yeah, that would that would be a that'd
• 27:27
  Speaker 8: be a real real bummer at the end of a
• 27:30
  Speaker 8: season that's been historically good for the Seahawks.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Even with Locke. Would you still expect him to win
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: if that has to happen.
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: At that point, it becomes a fifty to fifty for me.
• 27:41
  Speaker 8: Ian, I think Seattle would right now, Seattle would win
• 27:45
  Speaker 8: eight to nine out of ten games between these two
• 27:47
  Speaker 8: teams with Sam Donald.
• 27:48
  Speaker 6: Just because the injuries San Francisco has, I think.
• 27:51
  Speaker 8: It becomes more of a five out of ten fifty
• 27:54
  Speaker 8: to fifty thing. And it's just because Seattle's defense is
• 27:57
  Speaker 8: so good and I think the run game has taken
• 27:59
  Speaker 8: such a big step that they can have that complimentary
• 28:02
  Speaker 8: football to takes some pressure off of Drew Locke.
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: That's why I.
• 28:06
  Speaker 8: Would say fifty to fifty, But it makes it a
• 28:08
  Speaker 8: much murkier situation in my opinion.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: All right, let folks know what you got going on
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: at the Emerald City Spectrum.
• 28:15
  Speaker 8: Yeah, well, right now, I'm getting ready to grab my
• 28:18
  Speaker 8: computer and I'm going to be dishing out some thoughts
• 28:20
  Speaker 8: on what.
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: Sam Donald's new injury news means.
• 28:23
  Speaker 8: That was not something I was anticipating today, But that'll
• 28:27
  Speaker 8: be dropping as soon as I can possibly get it
• 28:29
  Speaker 8: posted on Emerald Cityspectrum dot com.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: All Right, it sounds like Sam Darnald might be talking
• 28:35
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• 28:37
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• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Now here's a let's get in to this right away.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: We uh, the news came out just about twenty five
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: minutes ago. Sam Donald has been added to the injury
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: report for the Seahawks this week. He is listed as
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: questionable with an oblique injury. By the way, tomorrow seven
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• 29:24
  Speaker 1: speaking of Greg Bell, courtesy of Greg. Here is Sam
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Donald moments ago at the podium.
• 29:31
  Speaker 10: Yeah, obviously, you know, just in routes on air, just
• 29:36
  Speaker 10: kind of felt a little a little something out of bleak.
• 29:39
  Speaker 11: Just didn't want to push it.
• 29:42
  Speaker 10: You know, it wasn't the day to push it, so
• 29:44
  Speaker 10: that was That was it. So I just came inside,
• 29:46
  Speaker 10: I got some rehab and you know, feel like I'll be.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Ready to go that way.
• 29:50
  Speaker 9: That was just today, that happened.
• 29:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah. You ever had anything obeaque issues.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Or anything with it?
• 29:56
  Speaker 11: No, No, never had Oblak issues.
• 29:57
  Speaker 10: But it's fun. You know, we'll attack at the next
• 30:00
  Speaker 10: a couple of days and be ready to go for Saturday.
• 30:02
  Speaker 11: It just sounds like a brilliant side.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: You don't you know what I'm saying.
• 30:06
  Speaker 11: It's just on my left side. You know, it is
• 30:09
  Speaker 11: what it is. But yeah, again, like I said, fault
• 30:11
  Speaker 11: on the throw, but you know I'll be ready.
• 30:14
  Speaker 9: To what percent of you thinks you might not play.
• 30:18
  Speaker 10: Us a very low percentage, probably closer to zero.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, that sounds a lot better. I feel better,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: No more dooms day, Ian, I feel better a lot better.
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: Greg also put out a video of him jogging out
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: and I guess he had there. Yeah, like we we
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: had said earlier, he was like, nothing to see here.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: I do want to play Clint Kubiak because there they
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: are having to get Drew Lockes some reps. You have
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: that Andrews ready to go? Yep, all right, here's Clint
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Kubiak offensive coordinator.
• 30:45
  Speaker 11: No, no, never had oblique issues, but.
• 30:48
  Speaker 12: That was Drew's been really impressive throughout OTA's in training
• 30:52
  Speaker 12: camp and in his role. He started a lot of
• 30:55
  Speaker 12: football games, twenty eight games in the league, so confidence
• 30:59
  Speaker 12: and Drew brought him here for.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: All right. Well, yeah, I thought that was more sorry
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: my fault. Yeah, so there you go. That's that's quick, kubyek.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: He talked about getting them reps today and all that
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: kind of stuff. I listen listening to Sam Donald there,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: it doesn't sound nearly as bad as initially it came
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: out like questionable. We've seen guys questionable not play and
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: not be activated for games all season long. As mentioned
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: when we were talking to Corbyn Smith a minute ago.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: You know, when you're listening as doubtful, you might as
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: well just say out because that's that's what it's going
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: to be. Questionable truly is kind of that. It's fifty
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: to fifty a lot of times. But I feel a
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: lot better listening to Sam Donald right there. I'm throwing
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: the football, none of us know. I don't know what
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: he's doing. I think air on the side of caution.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: It's that time of the year. It also feels like
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: because he felt a little twins Beau, I'm gonna go
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: in and get this kind of you know rehab, you know,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: tweaked at mess around with a little bit. It sounds
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: like he did that because he's thrown against air. And
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: then the video with Greg Wor's great. Can you guys
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: see if Greg can come on real quick, just call him,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: don't text him, call him. Let's see we can do
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: that because I want to know the timeline because to me,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: the timeline is important because if he was he said
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: he was throwing against air, which means probably just warming up.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: And that's but the fact that he came back out
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: onto the field, I think with the little gun in
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: his hand, and you know, had already gone inside for
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: the treatment. I don't think they would send him back
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: out if there was a massive, massive concern.
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: If there's any question, really right honesty.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: The fact that he came back out and the video
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: that Greg has has the has the gun in his
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: hand tells.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: Me that seems like just an abundance of caution for me.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so too. Listen, it's the time of
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: the year, paranoia. This is a this is like every
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: injury for a key guy is massive. Nico Collins is
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: probably not going to play for Houston. Didn't practice again today.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: That basically rules him out for Saturday. Fred Warner already
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: has been ruled out for Saturday. They're not gonna activate
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: him this week. So yeah, it's you know, it's the
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: first thing you see, Oh my god, Sam Donald's on
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: on the injury report, and then you think, well maybe
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: after listening to him, it doesn't sound as serious as
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: we once thought, but certainly something to definitely keep an
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: eye on. And I'm trying to get ahold of Greg
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: right now, are we are we calling him? Yes?
• 33:26
  Speaker 9: No?
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you take a break, I got him, yes, okay, perfect, Okay,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: we'll get Greg on a second here and let me
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: know when he's there, and we'll get our guy on
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: the scene. Mister Bell from the Coma News Tribune, if
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: you're just joining us. Just a short time ago. Sam
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Donald added to the injury report this weekend for the Seahawks,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: with Liz being listed as questionable for the game on
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Saturday against the forty nine ers. Listening to Donald, who
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: did go to the podium and speak, he he made
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: it sound like probably a pretty good chance he's gonna
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: play and that's why we have our Greg Bell. You
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: can hear him tomorrow seven pm, twelve man preview show
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: right here on ninety three point three kter FM. We
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: saw the video you posted of Sam walk us. Can you, Greg,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: what do I want to do? Really? Because we only
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: have a couple of this year, walk me through the
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: timeline of this today. Because he said he was thrown
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: against air. Did he come out kind of warm up,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: throw against he air? Go inside and then they let
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: him come back out?
• 34:21
  Speaker 9: Yeah, he came out, but he came out to practice.
• 34:26
  Speaker 9: He came out to practice day holding a there again,
• 34:28
  Speaker 9: one of those oka you have massager things, and he
• 34:32
  Speaker 9: was using it on the right throwing side up near
• 34:35
  Speaker 9: his shoulder in his arm. And he joked to us
• 34:38
  Speaker 9: as we watched him walk jog out the practice walkout,
• 34:40
  Speaker 9: saying nothing to see here. Then he said he was
• 34:43
  Speaker 9: throwing against air during the practice and he felt his
• 34:46
  Speaker 9: oblique tight and it's on the left side, opposite of
• 34:49
  Speaker 9: his throwing side, and he and the team decided, the
• 34:52
  Speaker 9: coaches and the medical stat attrainers just decided to shut
• 34:54
  Speaker 9: it down.
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: Right then, okay, out of precoction.
• 34:57
  Speaker 9: They just shut it down during practice. Then he came
• 34:59
  Speaker 9: in and didn't fin practice, which is why Drew Locke,
• 35:02
  Speaker 9: according to klint Koviak, did get reps with the Ones today.
• 35:06
  Speaker 9: So now it's going to be almost round the clock
• 35:08
  Speaker 9: treatment between now and five o'clock on Saturday. On the
• 35:12
  Speaker 9: oblique of Sam Donald, and I asked him, you probably
• 35:15
  Speaker 9: aired it. What percentage of you thinks that you're not
• 35:17
  Speaker 9: going to play? And he said, pretty darn close to zero.
• 35:20
  Speaker 9: He's going to play. It's going to be maybe less
• 35:23
  Speaker 9: than one hundred percent, Sam Donald, but he is. I
• 35:27
  Speaker 9: would be shocked. I'm already shocked that it came up
• 35:29
  Speaker 9: to this, but I would be shocked if he doesn't play.
• 35:32
  Speaker 9: He has between now and Saturday to get better.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Greg kind of let us let our listeners know the
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: protocol here, because I think that there is the way
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: the NFL is. This is not This is not the
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: National Hockey League where someone has upper body, lower body
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: or undisclosed and we hide behind the veil of secrecy
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: all the time. Not that I'm bitter about that, but
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: that's how it works in the NHL the NFL, you
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: have to have some transparency and in the case of
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: a quarterback or not finishing a practice and the number
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: two guy doing that, they have to list him on
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: the injury report. Correct, And number two with that, I
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: would say is this is also a time of the
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: year where a lot of guys are bumped up and
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: banged up. If this was maybe even a walk through,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: would they even have had to do anything? I mean
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: kind of tell walk us through the protocol here?
• 36:17
  Speaker 9: Well, the same question first, and yes, even if there's
• 36:19
  Speaker 9: a walkthrough, if he wasn't participating in any part of
• 36:22
  Speaker 9: the practice, they have to list that, and they have
• 36:24
  Speaker 9: to list a reason why. And that means one hundred percent.
• 36:26
  Speaker 9: If a guy misses one drill of one of his
• 36:30
  Speaker 9: normal reps of a practice, he has to be listed
• 36:32
  Speaker 9: as limited on the report. And to your point about
• 36:36
  Speaker 9: the injuries, about a dozen years ago they did away
• 36:40
  Speaker 9: with the probable designation. So now if a guy is
• 36:43
  Speaker 9: hurt at all to the point that he's questioned, if
• 36:46
  Speaker 9: there's any issue toward a game, he's listed as questionable
• 36:50
  Speaker 9: unless there is a near certainty of him playing. So
• 36:53
  Speaker 9: anything short of what the term around the league used
• 36:56
  Speaker 9: is virtual certainty. If there's anything less than a virtual
• 36:59
  Speaker 9: certainty that a player's going to plays mean to get
• 37:01
  Speaker 9: on the injured list for what used to be probable.
• 37:03
  Speaker 9: I would guess if there was an old probable, Darnold
• 37:05
  Speaker 9: would be listed as probable. But because there's not a
• 37:08
  Speaker 9: listing of probable anymore, he's listed as questionable. And yeah,
• 37:11
  Speaker 9: they teams can get fine, they can get doc draft picks.
• 37:15
  Speaker 9: It's how much the betting public in the NFL have
• 37:18
  Speaker 9: gone into cohoots. But I don't expect him not to play.
• 37:24
  Speaker 9: This is a surprise, of course, that had come up
• 37:26
  Speaker 9: two days before a playoff game. But I would be
• 37:29
  Speaker 9: very surprised if he doesn't play. And oh, by the way,
• 37:31
  Speaker 9: it doesn't hurt that there's some gamesmanship with a division
• 37:34
  Speaker 9: rival here. I mean in San Francisco. They've been talked
• 37:36
  Speaker 9: to me trying to float the possibility of Fred Warner
• 37:38
  Speaker 9: coming back to speech from an Acchilties, which it doesn't
• 37:41
  Speaker 9: look like he's going to play, but they've tried to
• 37:42
  Speaker 9: make it look like he might. So there's some of
• 37:44
  Speaker 9: that going on too between division rivals.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: We had Corbin and Smith on a little bit earlier
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: and right right when all this stuff is breaking, and
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: I actually mentioned that to him. I said, it's I
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: feel I feel there's some gamesmanship going because the whole
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Fred Warner circus in Kyle Sha came out I think
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: when you guys were in the press conferences and said, yeah,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: we're not activating Fred war this week, so he's not
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: going to play. So that that ends that little that
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: little thing where he practiced yesterday in practice today. But
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: it's your division rival, and yeah, I mean it's so
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Sam Darold. Now there's a seed of doubt and all that.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: But again, you just from what you had the conversation
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: with him, you guys on the podium with him, what
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: he said as he ran by, you fully expect him
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: to play on Saturday.
• 38:25
  Speaker 13: I do.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: It would be.
• 38:28
  Speaker 9: We would know the reason if he doesn't play, but
• 38:30
  Speaker 9: I'd be very surprised if he doesn't.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Great stuff, Buddy, will keep following you in Tacoma News Tribune,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Greg Bell, go follow and listen to him tomorrow night
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: seven o'clock here on the radio station. He'll be with you.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you'll be tom on tomorrow with the boys
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: in the morning at seven. You're a busy man these days.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: I appreciate you popping on last second, my friend, Thank you.
• 38:46
  Speaker 9: No problem, I got something to talk about on the
• 38:48
  Speaker 9: flow tomorrow.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Thank you do. Indeed, that's Greig Bell again. He'll have
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: the special show tomorrow seven to nine pm right here
• 38:54
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• 38:56
  Speaker 1: come back, we are gonna talk some college football. Thank
• 38:58
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• 39:00
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• 39:23
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• 39:29
  Speaker 1: spoke to the media just about fifteen minutes ago and
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: said he expects to play on Saturday, At one point
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: jogging onto the field with the little massage gun, saying
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: to Greg Bell and others, nothing to see here, really
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: nothing to see here. There's a lot to see here, Sam,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: But again Sam Donald from himself, Sam Donald, saying he
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: expects to play on Saturday. Josh Jones has been ruled out.
• 39:55
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• 39:58
  Speaker 1: The forty nine Ers activate Fred Warner on Saturday. That
• 40:02
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• 40:05
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• 40:08
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• 41:23
  Speaker 1: All right, here we go. Stuart Mandel join us normally
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: on Wednesdays, but we got him on a Thursday today
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: because short show yesterday with Krack and playing early in
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: New Jersey. So we did not want to this week
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: to go by without checking with Stuart Mendel because why
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, we got a little thing called the National
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: Championship Game coming up on Monday. We've got some stuff
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: to talk about. Because the last time we talked to
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Stuart it was it was like pre middle I don't
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: even know where the hell we were with the demon
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Williams situation. It was all over the place, but we
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: got a lot to discuss today in the world of
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: college football. High Stewart, how are you.
• 41:56
  Speaker 13: I'm good, Ian, How are you?
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: I'm great? I am great. We're gonna get into my
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: am We'll get in Indiana in a second. But let's
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: let's circle back to to last week. A strange week
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: here in Seattle. Uh, I mean entertaining. I guess unless
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: you're a Husky fan, and then I guess you in
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: the end, you were probably happy. But Demon Williams is gone,
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: Then Demon Williams is back. Jetfish comes on our station
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: on Friday, does an interview with Dave Softy Maller and
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Dick Faane our afternoon show. First interview. We did tells
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: us that, hey, you know, we we were in great
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: communication with Demon and blah blah blah. No one believes it.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: We all think that Demon was gone, but he was
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: forced to come back. But now that it's all kind
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: of wrapped up a little bit. What Stuart Mandel's take
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: on the whole DeMont Williams situation.
• 42:40
  Speaker 13: It was weird, It was interesting. I think you must
• 42:44
  Speaker 13: have gotten some bad advice to try to go into
• 42:47
  Speaker 13: the portal in the first place, given that contract, I mean,
• 42:51
  Speaker 13: I think we're all waiting to see if these new
• 42:56
  Speaker 13: these school revshare contracts can act as a deterrent from
• 43:00
  Speaker 13: keeping players moving around so much because of those buyout clauses.
• 43:04
  Speaker 13: That seems to be certainly what scared demand Williams into
• 43:08
  Speaker 13: going back, But it was also we're talking about a
• 43:11
  Speaker 13: guy who signed a four million dollar contract, and if
• 43:14
  Speaker 13: Washington's threatening to come for all of that, that's a
• 43:18
  Speaker 13: much different situation obviously than most players who are making
• 43:22
  Speaker 13: far less than that. So at some point, I mean,
• 43:26
  Speaker 13: you know, from a pure Washington fans wouldn't want this,
• 43:29
  Speaker 13: but from a pure like interest in the game, it
• 43:32
  Speaker 13: would have been actually quite helpful if it had like
• 43:36
  Speaker 13: escalated to a court case. Short of that, though others
• 43:40
  Speaker 13: will probably test it. There's a case right now about
• 43:43
  Speaker 13: a defensive end who left Georgia last year under similar circumstances.
• 43:48
  Speaker 13: But yeah, what happened with Devon is exactly what schools
• 43:50
  Speaker 13: we're hoping this new system would would bring about. That Hey,
• 43:55
  Speaker 13: if you you want to go in the portal, you
• 43:57
  Speaker 13: want to leave our school, okay, but there's no your
• 44:00
  Speaker 13: price to pay for that, and that's just a question
• 44:02
  Speaker 13: of whether that becomes a president or not.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: You wrote about how this is the House settlement system working.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Explain how the House settlement you know, works, and how
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: it's working in this situation for folks.
• 44:15
  Speaker 13: Up until last July, before the House Settlement, all of
• 44:18
  Speaker 13: these nil payments, these contracts of the players were third
• 44:22
  Speaker 13: party deals, you know, usually with collectives, and the schools
• 44:25
  Speaker 13: had absolutely no control over them. So while those haven't
• 44:29
  Speaker 13: gone away entirely, you know, the main way these guys
• 44:33
  Speaker 13: are being paid now is through these contracts directly from
• 44:36
  Speaker 13: the schools, and the schools are putting in pretty stiff
• 44:39
  Speaker 13: language regarding transferring. I think the fundamental question that needs
• 44:44
  Speaker 13: to be answered, though, is how do you say that
• 44:46
  Speaker 13: these contracts, and I've seen a couple in writings are
• 44:50
  Speaker 13: non employment agreements and they're not paid for play. But
• 44:54
  Speaker 13: at the same time, the schools like Washington are saying, yes,
• 44:57
  Speaker 13: but they bind you to our schools play football for
• 45:00
  Speaker 13: our school, which those two things seem to be at odds,
• 45:04
  Speaker 13: but right now it's working. It worked in this case.
• 45:08
  Speaker 13: It's I just saw yesterday Charlie Baker and say president
• 45:13
  Speaker 13: said that trans kids and that's going into portal is
• 45:15
  Speaker 13: down like twenty three percent from last year, so it
• 45:19
  Speaker 13: is at least for now, having a stabilizing effect.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Suear Mandel joining us. So you're kind of you're basically
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: what a contract employee, like a ten ninety nine, kind
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: of like a freelancer, but you're tied to a particular.
• 45:31
  Speaker 13: You're not you're not an employee at all. You're and
• 45:35
  Speaker 13: this is where you can you know, you kind of
• 45:36
  Speaker 13: have to roll your eyes a little bit, but yeah,
• 45:39
  Speaker 13: the schools will claim that these agreements are just a
• 45:44
  Speaker 13: licensing agreement for their nil rights.
• 45:46
  Speaker 9: That's it.
• 45:47
  Speaker 13: You're an employee. We're not paying you to play football
• 45:49
  Speaker 13: at the University of Washington. We're just licensing your nil rights.
• 45:53
  Speaker 13: But oh, by the way, they require you to play
• 45:56
  Speaker 13: football for our school.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: It's it is still so strange and on a lot
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: of levels. You know, we had a thing here years ago, Stuart.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: You might remember a little thing called the Seattle SuperSonics.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: They used to play in Seattle, and they're a different
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: market now. I'm not sure where they are. I lost track,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: but there there was a lawsuit that would and it
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: was based trying to keep the Sonics here back in
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: two thousand and eight in the law the crux of
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: the lawsuit was specific performance clause which would force them
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: to perform their duties and i e. Stay with the lease.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: The City of Seattle sold out before they had on
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: the day actually the ruling was going to come down.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: I talked to an attorney last week that was involved
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: with that, and he said that he kind of thought that,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe in some ways there are the specific
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: performance clause in these nil contracts. My question would be,
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: and I don't think you know, I'm I'm just throwing
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: it out there. We can discuss it. I wonder at
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: what point did and you see, you've seen a couple
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: of these contracts. If they're a specific performance clause, would
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: it ever include the entire season? I e. Bowl games
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: or college football playoffs. I bring that up because you know,
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: Or was shorthanded in their bowl game. I don't think
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: it matters. I don't think any of us believe it
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: would have mattered if they would have had a couple
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: extra running backs or what have you. But guys going
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: in the portal and not quote finishing out the season.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: Like I wonder if they're ever going to write those
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: in there, Like it's one thing to play twelve games,
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: but then what if you have thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, do
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: you still have you know, because a lot of these
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: kids are still on nil deals.
• 47:22
  Speaker 13: You know, Look, I haven't seen any deals recently, and
• 47:26
  Speaker 13: you know, these things are kind of fluid, They're constantly
• 47:28
  Speaker 13: the language is constantly changing. They might vary from school
• 47:32
  Speaker 13: to school. I do think there are forms of that
• 47:34
  Speaker 13: floating around. I mean the main one just being scheduling
• 47:38
  Speaker 13: the payments. So you've got to stay through the bowl
• 47:40
  Speaker 13: game to get like a huge chunk of it. But
• 47:45
  Speaker 13: if you know you're if you know there's a kind
• 47:48
  Speaker 13: of a you know, perhaps an even bigger payday waiting
• 47:52
  Speaker 13: on the other side, then that might not deter you. Ultimately,
• 47:59
  Speaker 13: Like I said, like we're in the very early stages
• 48:01
  Speaker 13: of figuring out how this is all going to work
• 48:04
  Speaker 13: and whether it's whether it's enforceable. But yeah, I just
• 48:09
  Speaker 13: keep getting back to the schools trying to have their
• 48:11
  Speaker 13: cake and eat it too. These are non employment deals,
• 48:14
  Speaker 13: they're not pay for play. But oh, by the way,
• 48:17
  Speaker 13: I mean I know this. There are contracts that raise
• 48:20
  Speaker 13: or lower the salary based on your performance. Like it
• 48:24
  Speaker 13: can go up if you become an All Conference player,
• 48:26
  Speaker 13: if you win the Heisman. I saw one last year
• 48:29
  Speaker 13: that said they can just kind of unilaterally lower it
• 48:32
  Speaker 13: at any time if you're not performing well. So it's
• 48:34
  Speaker 13: just really this all needs to be tested in court.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and unfortunately Demon bailed out before it got to court.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: You're right, I mean, I know Washington wouldn't want that.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: Maybe the the Williams family wouldn't want it. Although you
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: know the agent who had Doug Hendrickson, his agent dropped
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: him apparently on that day. Yeah, you know, which is
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: wild because you know, if you remember, Doug Hendrickson had
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: a guy by the name of Marshawn Lynch, and you
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: want to talk about high mat and it's that would
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: be at the top of the list. We all love
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Marshaun out here, but if you're able to handle Marshawn
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: Lynch all those years, it shows you how messy this
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: this world of nil is. Of Doug unders and says yeah,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: I'm out, I'm good, I'll move on. Thanks for coming,
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: all right, Stuart Mandel with us.
• 49:14
  Speaker 13: Unfortunately, in these a lot of these kind of nil
• 49:17
  Speaker 13: sagas that I've covered, oftentimes the player himself is not
• 49:21
  Speaker 13: the one driving it. Family members, you know, people, people
• 49:29
  Speaker 13: besides just the player himself. I don't have the specifics
• 49:32
  Speaker 13: of what happened here, but chances are he did not
• 49:35
  Speaker 13: know latterly decide he was going to fail on a
• 49:37
  Speaker 13: contract he signed a few days earlier for an offer
• 49:41
  Speaker 13: then may or may not have materialized.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: Stuart. Does tampering exist anymore in college football? Or is
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: it just a free for all? Can you really get
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: in trouble for tampering? Used to be you could get
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: in trouble for that.
• 49:52
  Speaker 13: Well, is it tampering if everybody's doing it all the time?
• 49:57
  Speaker 13: I mean, it's just yeah, you're operating procedure.
• 50:01
  Speaker 9: You can't.
• 50:01
  Speaker 13: You can't. You're not gonna be able to field a
• 50:04
  Speaker 13: roster without it. Now, that can take many different forms,
• 50:07
  Speaker 13: I think one of the main, don't I don't know
• 50:10
  Speaker 13: that there's that many. Well, I don't want to generalize
• 50:12
  Speaker 13: like that. A common thing is, you know, these guys
• 50:15
  Speaker 13: have agents, and the agents throughout the season are reaching
• 50:18
  Speaker 13: out to coaches and jams and other programs saying, hey,
• 50:22
  Speaker 13: if this guy jumps in the portal after the season,
• 50:25
  Speaker 13: what do you think he might be worth? Would you
• 50:28
  Speaker 13: be interested in what do you think he might be worth?
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 50:31
  Speaker 13: So, I think that's still technically falls on a definition
• 50:34
  Speaker 13: of tampering, But who the heck is enforcing it.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like when you drive. You're driving on
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: the freeway and there's like eight cars all at once,
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: and they're all going seventy five and they go past
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: the trooper. He's like, yeah, everyone's doing it. I'm not
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: gonna I can't pull over one. I can't pull over
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: one and let the other ones go. So why you go?
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: Jed knows about tampering. Jade and Laura, We'll leave it
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: at that. Okay, let's talk about the games. I read
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: your mail bag, listen. I have great respect for people
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: that say this because a lot of people in the
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: media don't. I do because I'm wrong multiple times a day.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: Jessaman will usually point it out to me or someone
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: else will. But Stuart Mandel was wrong. You were wrong
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: about Indiana. Stuart? How dare you? How could you be?
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: I can't believe you were wrong about Indiana. I mean,
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: you got all those years of history behind you. How
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: could you be wrong?
• 51:20
  Speaker 13: Well, specifically, I mean what Indiana has done is just
• 51:23
  Speaker 13: blown up all the entire time of current long history
• 51:28
  Speaker 13: of you have to be of blue blood to be
• 51:31
  Speaker 13: able to not just get the talent, but get the
• 51:34
  Speaker 13: depth to win a national championship. And so what I
• 51:37
  Speaker 13: was saying early in the season was, oh, yeah, they're
• 51:38
  Speaker 13: really good, Like clearly they're really good. But if they
• 51:41
  Speaker 13: get into a playoff and they have to win three
• 51:43
  Speaker 13: straight games and they're playing in Ohio State or at
• 51:45
  Speaker 13: Georgia or whoever it may be, I just don't think
• 51:47
  Speaker 13: they have the depth to I don't think it's possible
• 51:50
  Speaker 13: for a program like Indiana. Well, guess what in the
• 51:52
  Speaker 13: game the other night against Oregon. I mean they've had
• 51:55
  Speaker 13: their top two pass rushers injured at various points that
• 51:59
  Speaker 13: are out. Now the third string guy steps in and
• 52:03
  Speaker 13: gets two sacks and blocks a punt. So clearly Kripnetti
• 52:07
  Speaker 13: has developed depth as well as a blue blood can.
• 52:10
  Speaker 13: And so that just kind of shatters the whole paradigm.
• 52:12
  Speaker 13: And so what I said is winner lose on. This
• 52:15
  Speaker 13: all came up early in the season when before Signetty
• 52:18
  Speaker 13: signed his big contract, about whether they would be able
• 52:21
  Speaker 13: to hold on to him right or whether a Florida
• 52:23
  Speaker 13: or somebody would get him, and I said, well, ultimately,
• 52:26
  Speaker 13: I'm sure he's very happy they're also went. He probably
• 52:28
  Speaker 13: knows he can't win a national championship there. Well, clearly
• 52:30
  Speaker 13: he can. And I and I say that whether or
• 52:33
  Speaker 13: not they went on Monday night, he has proven you
• 52:36
  Speaker 13: can get that program to the top of the sport
• 52:39
  Speaker 13: because the rules have changed and it's a completely different
• 52:42
  Speaker 13: model now.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: It's I think it's interesting to look even at Indiana
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: as a school because you know, for a long time
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: they were probably considered to be a blue blood in basketball.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: They haven't won a championship since the eighties, and then
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: you know, a national championship since the eighties. I've been
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: to the Sweet sixteen in twelve years years, they've missed
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: the tournament more often than they've made it. In the
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: last twelve years, they've only made it twice in the
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: last decade and a half. And yet that's always been
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: thought of as a basketball school. And yet now as
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: we see they've you know, Signette's turned them into a
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: football school. I think it's interesting to see that changing
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: of the guard in a little bit, and it does
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: feel like with his recruiting abilities that maybe this is
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: a guy in a program that that isn't just two
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: and done. You know, they done it with two different quarterbacks.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: Obviously the second one a Heisman Trophy winner. But is
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: Signetti and are Signetti in Indiana? Are they here for
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: a while? Are they going to be a problem for
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: college football and the Big Ten and their teams and
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: the sport as a whole. Are they going to be
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: a problem for a while.
• 53:42
  Speaker 13: I don't see why they wouldn't be. Now may time
• 53:46
  Speaker 13: may pass, and we say that was just a particularly
• 53:48
  Speaker 13: special period and a special group, and you know they
• 53:51
  Speaker 13: couldn't replicate it from there. But the scary thing is
• 53:55
  Speaker 13: only like this program was built on two three are
• 54:00
  Speaker 13: guys who committed to Indiana out of high school and
• 54:02
  Speaker 13: develop and he developed them. Or that transfer class he
• 54:06
  Speaker 13: brought in when he was first hired, which was full
• 54:08
  Speaker 13: of James Madison and other groups of five players who
• 54:11
  Speaker 13: he was a student enough to recognize could play at
• 54:13
  Speaker 13: high level.
• 54:13
  Speaker 9: In the Big Ten.
• 54:15
  Speaker 13: And now that they have all this, you know, proven
• 54:18
  Speaker 13: track record, now they're able to get the best transfers
• 54:21
  Speaker 13: in the country. Josh Uber is coming in the quarterback
• 54:24
  Speaker 13: from TCU. Nick marsh is one of the top receivers
• 54:27
  Speaker 13: from Michigan State, like, they are only now going to
• 54:30
  Speaker 13: be able to bring in even better players than they
• 54:32
  Speaker 13: were before. So as long as he's there, he's been
• 54:35
  Speaker 13: able to hang on to his coordinators. And Indiana's just
• 54:39
  Speaker 13: spending a lot of money, and I think it taught
• 54:41
  Speaker 13: people off guard. Well, how can Indiana have this kind
• 54:43
  Speaker 13: of money to spend on football? Well, if you're in
• 54:46
  Speaker 13: the Big Ten today, everybody in the Big Ten has money.
• 54:50
  Speaker 13: Mark Cuban has come out and said he basically gave
• 54:53
  Speaker 13: them a you know, small fortune for this portal class.
• 54:57
  Speaker 13: So they are operating in every way now any other
• 55:01
  Speaker 13: powerhouse football program.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: Well, they'll take on Miami on Monday the National Championship.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: How's Miami got here, because it's been a long time
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: since we've seen Miami at this level football as well, Stuart.
• 55:13
  Speaker 13: Well, you know, fans in the Northwest remember that Mario
• 55:16
  Speaker 13: Cristobal built his Oregon teams around the trenches and they
• 55:20
  Speaker 13: just didn't get to the point that this Miami team has.
• 55:24
  Speaker 13: And that's true of this team. It's been interesting to
• 55:27
  Speaker 13: see in the playoffs that while they have Carson Beck
• 55:32
  Speaker 13: and he's a big name and he played really well
• 55:34
  Speaker 13: in the in the All This game, Like their identity
• 55:37
  Speaker 13: is We're just gonna bully Volue. And I thought what
• 55:39
  Speaker 13: they did so well in the All Miss game was
• 55:42
  Speaker 13: just keep all this off the field. They had like
• 55:44
  Speaker 13: at one point they had held the ball for like
• 55:47
  Speaker 13: thirty three minutes. To Ole Miss is eleven minutes. The
• 55:53
  Speaker 13: problem is nobody's been able to run the ball Indiana, Like,
• 55:56
  Speaker 13: I don't think you can do that against Indiana. They're
• 55:58
  Speaker 13: going to have to find other ways to meet football.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: It's well in their defensive line is I mean the
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: two defensive lines period. It feels like this is a
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: bet the under game Stewart doesn't. I mean, it just
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: feels like that's along the way is I'll ask you
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: kind of the same question. I mean, Chrystal Baul was
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: here and up in at Oregon didn't get to the
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: same level. You know right now it doesn't appear. But
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: is is Miami in it for the whole? Is Miami
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: football back? I guess that'd be the best way to
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: answer it, because Indiana is here, But is Miami football
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: after a couple of decades, is Miami football back?
• 56:36
  Speaker 13: My good friend and podcast co host Bruce Seldman, Miami alum,
• 56:41
  Speaker 13: author of a big book about Miami football, will tell
• 56:44
  Speaker 13: you that you're only allowed to say that you is
• 56:46
  Speaker 13: back if they win the national team Mike, once they
• 56:49
  Speaker 13: win a national championship.
• 56:51
  Speaker 6: Interesting, I am.
• 56:55
  Speaker 13: I agree that with that to some extent, but they're
• 56:58
  Speaker 13: definitely back in the conversation. When I covered Miami, you
• 57:02
  Speaker 13: know when I was first starting out, and it was
• 57:04
  Speaker 13: those great Ken Dorsey, Andre Johnson, you name it. Team
• 57:08
  Speaker 13: like they just used with slagger, like they were people
• 57:12
  Speaker 13: feared them. They won thirty four games in a row.
• 57:15
  Speaker 13: I don't think that's how people feel about this Miami
• 57:18
  Speaker 13: era just yet. If they were to win a national championship,
• 57:22
  Speaker 13: I don't. I don't think you would see that come
• 57:24
  Speaker 13: out droves. But it's good to have them back on
• 57:27
  Speaker 13: the conversation and you talk about having resources. It came
• 57:32
  Speaker 13: out this week that Ty Simpson, the Alabama quarterback, he
• 57:36
  Speaker 13: already declared the NFL, and but Miami tried to do
• 57:40
  Speaker 13: what they did with Cam Worden Carson Beck, where they
• 57:42
  Speaker 13: basically paid them enough for them to pull out of
• 57:45
  Speaker 13: the NFL, and it was reported that they were willing
• 57:48
  Speaker 13: to give him six point five million dollars next year
• 57:51
  Speaker 13: unprecedented for a college quarterback, and it's a lot of
• 57:58
  Speaker 13: lot to disconnect with, like how the NFL feels about
• 58:02
  Speaker 13: how the NFL drafts experts feel about Ty Simpson versus
• 58:05
  Speaker 13: how I feel about him. With Dante Moore just announcing
• 58:07
  Speaker 13: that he's coming back, like people are saying Ty Simpson
• 58:10
  Speaker 13: might be the second quarterback taken after Mendoza. I don't
• 58:14
  Speaker 13: see it, but that's what they say. So yeah, the
• 58:17
  Speaker 13: fact that they have that kind of money, I mean,
• 58:19
  Speaker 13: Carson back this year was highly pick one of the
• 58:22
  Speaker 13: highest paid, if not the highest paid, tells you that
• 58:25
  Speaker 13: they're in it for the long run. They made a
• 58:27
  Speaker 13: pretty significant shift. I wrote in the mail today about
• 58:31
  Speaker 13: it's kind of lost the history now, but when the
• 58:35
  Speaker 13: Lad of many dias is last year, Kirk Kirkstreet went
• 58:37
  Speaker 13: on game day and just went on this rant of
• 58:39
  Speaker 13: how Miami doesn't the administration doesn't care about football enough
• 58:43
  Speaker 13: and they're they're just going to keep being bad, and
• 58:46
  Speaker 13: that woke some people up there. It was like a
• 58:48
  Speaker 13: one to eighty from that point forward in terms of
• 58:50
  Speaker 13: how much they're investing in football real quick.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: Just I want to get back to im to wrap
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: it up a Dante more in a second, but just
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: the game on Monday. I kind of joked about betting
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: the under, but it just feels like Indiana is destined
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: to get there. But boy, watching Miami, those edge rushers
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: are crazy good. I don't know, what do you expect?
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: How do you think this is going to play out
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: on Monday?
• 59:11
  Speaker 9: Yeah? I see it.
• 59:12
  Speaker 13: You know, I think I think Indiana's a much better team,
• 59:15
  Speaker 13: but I don't think they're going to be able to
• 59:17
  Speaker 13: like march the ball at will like they did against Oregon.
• 59:20
  Speaker 13: So but I think I just I'm struggling to see
• 59:23
  Speaker 13: how Miami even scores. So I think it could be
• 59:26
  Speaker 13: like a twenty four to seven kind of game where
• 59:30
  Speaker 13: Indiana is in control but Mendoz is not, you know,
• 59:34
  Speaker 13: throwing for a thousand yards or they're breaking you know,
• 59:38
  Speaker 13: if I'm Miami. I'm looking at film of when Indiana
• 59:41
  Speaker 13: played Iowa where I would just really muddied it up,
• 59:44
  Speaker 13: and I don't think either team scored twenty points. But eventually,
• 59:49
  Speaker 13: I you, like they always do, you know, broke a
• 59:51
  Speaker 13: big play and set up the game winning field goal,
• 59:53
  Speaker 13: and I think that'll probably happen at some point.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: Dantin Moore coming back. Do you think that's the right
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: to say. I think it's the right decision. I just
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: I never did I think, Wow, that guy's screamed. I mean,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: he didn't look as good as cam Ward or any
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: guys that have come out the last couple of years
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: and been near the top of the draft. But a
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: week quarterback class, just a quick thought on Dante more
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: coming back. Right decision.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I think that was a smart decision, especially coming
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 13: off that nightmare game the other day. I just think
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 13: another year. Remember he's only in a third year of college,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 13: so another year to develop, to put more good tape
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 13: out there. I'm sure if he had turned probably he
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 13: would have been drafted high. But you want to be
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 13: able to be developed enough to succeed once you get there.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 14: Right.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 13: The money's nice, but you don't want to be playing
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 13: out of the league in three years. So yeah, I
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 13: think it's the right decision and obviously huge for Organ.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: I think it's a cam Ward plant. I mean, you know,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: we watched you and I talked about it a couple
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: of years ago. I mean we watched cam Ward for
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: two years at Wazoo, and good quarterback, solid quarterback. Never
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: once did I sit there and think watching him play
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: for Wazoo. You know, God, this guy's this guy's a
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: top five pick, much less number one overall. He he
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: goes to Miami and takes that next step in his
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: career is number one and looked pretty good at times
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: this year in the NFL. It's just it's the right
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: It's kind of the cam Ward plan B quarterbacks needed.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: I love the fact that kids coming back. I know
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: Husky fans and others don't like it because Oregon obviously
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: we'll be talking about them next week when we wrap
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: up the season. That probably puts him right back near
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: the top of the preseason rankings one more time. But
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: in the meantime Stu dan Lanning.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 13: By the way, Dan Lanning has a history of this,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 13: you know, he he he and his staff what they
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 13: did with Bonix, Like nobody would have said when Bonix
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 13: got to Oregon, the no starting quarterbacks in the Timver
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 13: broncos No and Dylan Gabriel. Dylan Gabriel too. Dylan Gabriel
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 13: wanted to turn pro and quickly realized he wasn't going
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 13: to get drafted, so he played that year at Oregon
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 13: and did get drafted. And was at least at one
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 13: point a starter this year, and he.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: Was a Day two draft, which means he made some
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: money and which I guess Antaey Moore will make some
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: money next year for sure. Down in Eugene, Stewart, tell
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: me about the Audible podcast. What you got going on.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: There the Audible.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 13: We'll have another episode on Thursday, and then there'll be
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 13: an extra one down. I'm not going to a championship
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 13: for Bruce and ralphar they'll they'll have an episode from
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 13: there and then we'll be back live after the championship
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 13: game on Monday night.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: You guys do a great job. Check out the Audible
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: where we get your podcast. Those guys, those three guys
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: do a terrific job. I love listening to it, love
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: reading Stuart stuff on the Athletic Theathletic dot com as well.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: We'll put a rap in a bowl on the season.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: It's been fun having you on this year. Stud. We'll
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: put a bowl on it next week. Talk the end
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: of college football National Championship. After math'll look ahead into
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  Speaker 1: the twenty twenty sixth season. We'll do that next next
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  Speaker 1: week to wrap things up, my friend, Thank you.
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  Speaker 13: All right, I look forward to it. Thanks guys.
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  Speaker 5: Now here's the end.
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  Speaker 15: I feel the expectation is get to.
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  Speaker 6: The super Bowl or bust.
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  Speaker 16: The reason being that's what we're conditioned to think.
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  Speaker 15: With the number one seed, two home games, we are
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  Speaker 15: going to the.
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  Speaker 16: Super Bowl year two of Mike McDonald's all.
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  Speaker 6: This is great.
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  Speaker 16: Now. If they're in the same position as they are
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  Speaker 16: right now next year, then I think we should be
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  Speaker 16: having this conversation that if they don't win against the
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  Speaker 16: forty nine ers, this year's a bust. Right year two
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  Speaker 16: of Mike McDonald's regime, this is all gravy.
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  Speaker 14: I wish I could feel the same as Andreers and
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  Speaker 14: Jess but with this offense, I am satisfied with the
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  Speaker 14: one seed. Sure, I'd love to win the Super Bowl,
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  Speaker 14: but I took the under eight and a half because
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  Speaker 14: this offense is just not that good. And twenty five
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  Speaker 14: days until pitchers and catchers report, and before someone starts texting,
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  Speaker 14: and that we have a record number of points and
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  Speaker 14: we average twenty eight points a game. Those are both true,
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  Speaker 14: but I believe it's eleven of those games we play
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  Speaker 14: teams that give up more than twenty one points a game.
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  Speaker 1: Don't be bothering me with your stats. They they don't
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  Speaker 1: fit my narrative. All right, Welcome back in ninety three
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  Speaker 1: we get some more talkbacks, we'll get to we get
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of text as well. We'll get to those
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: in a second before we do that again. If you're
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: just tuning in right now. We had an interesting half
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: hour between about one twenty five till two, a little
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: bit of a scramble, a little scrambled. We found out
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  Speaker 1: that Sam Darnold is now on the injury report Listen
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: is questionable with an oblique injury. He spoke to the media,
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  Speaker 1: which is always a good sign. I can tell you this.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: They don't put guys in the podium that are really hurt.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: That just it's a seahawk thing and it has been
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  Speaker 1: since the beginning of time. Probably goes back to their
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: old PR guy, Gary Wright. So the fact he spoke
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  Speaker 1: is a good sign, really good sign. He said he
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  Speaker 1: expects to play on Saturday. It's still not ideal, like
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: it's whatever it is that caused him to miss some
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  Speaker 1: of practice today and be limited is still not great.
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  Speaker 1: But he is listed as questionable limited today with an
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  Speaker 1: oblique but he said himself he expects to play. Josh
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: Jones is out. Carlos Arroyo also is out. They had
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: to add those guys, he and Chas Surat to the
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: injury list because they have their practice window I guess
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  Speaker 1: open for the forty nine ers. They have Fred Warner
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  Speaker 1: now listed as out. He will not be suited up
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  Speaker 1: coming back off of that broken ankle this weekend. Ricky
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  Speaker 1: Piersall is the other big name right now that they're
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: wondering about. He is listed as questionable, as is the Winters,
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  Speaker 1: who actually is a part of what they do defensively
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  Speaker 1: listened as questionable as well, so there you go. That's
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  Speaker 1: your update. Let a couple more to voice talk tuckbacks.
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  Speaker 17: I think that this next game is a must win
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  Speaker 17: against the forty nine ers, and after that it depends
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  Speaker 17: on who we play in the championship game. If we
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  Speaker 17: play the Bears in the championship game, I think that's
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  Speaker 17: a must win as well, because I think they're a
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  Speaker 17: lesser opponent. If we play the Rams in the championship
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  Speaker 17: game and lose, I will definitely not feel as bad.
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  Speaker 17: I don't think it will be a or bust situation
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  Speaker 17: because the Rams are good there.
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  Speaker 1: We have split the series with them this year. That's
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  Speaker 1: you know, that's a really good team. I still hate them.
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  Speaker 18: Hey, Ian jess Anders, this is Greg and Graham a
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  Speaker 18: long time no talk. It will definitely be a disappointment
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  Speaker 18: if they don't make the super Bowl, just because that
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  Speaker 18: is the franchise standard number one seed you go to
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  Speaker 18: the super Bowl. It will just be disappointed if we
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  Speaker 18: lose a home playoff game.
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  Speaker 6: So all of that, Yeah, it's super Bowl or bust
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  Speaker 6: for sure. Okay, guys, take care either.
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  Speaker 15: Ian Justmann unders for some Gerion, so it's not as
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  Speaker 15: necessarily super Bowl or bust in my opinion for the Seahawks,
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  Speaker 15: we're coming off of the greatest season in franchise history
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  Speaker 15: and we're building from that in only Mike McDonald's second
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  Speaker 15: year as head coach.
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  Speaker 6: So if you lose to the forty nine.
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  Speaker 15: Ers, absolute bust. But let's say it's the Bears. Okay,
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  Speaker 15: bust because they're paper tigers. But if we lose to
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  Speaker 15: the Rams and the championship, I get.
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  Speaker 1: That based on just the conversation we had listen to
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  Speaker 1: MV earlier at Super Bowl or busts. Yeah, I think
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: expectations change depending on what happens, assuming the Seahawks wins Saturday,
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  Speaker 1: which I'm assuming, ye, depending what happens with the Bears
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: and the Rams. But yeah, I'm just still just trying
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: to wrap my head. I just wonder if there's a
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: little bit of gamesmanship going on. I mean, I know
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: we missed. I mean the whole Fred Warner circus this
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: week was silly, wasn't gonna play practice now Ever, practiced
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: yesterday a little bit and you know, next thing, you know,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: it's like, oh, come on, man.
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  Speaker 9: But.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: Like, what's a little old leiaque. Since I don't have
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: a little oblique I got a big o'bliaque. What's a
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: little oblique.
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  Speaker 4: He's got an oblique, he carol, Ease, there's different sections
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: of it, so it's just one little He.
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  Speaker 1: Would just say he's got a little something going on
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  Speaker 1: down there.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, He's just got a little something.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: A knee. Yeah, that our guy, Chuck Knox, Chuck, what's
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: wrong with him? He's got a knee? Well, but I
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: thought I saw Warner carted off on it on a stretcher.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, it's an ecl tear. He's basically his
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: career has changed. He's got a knee. Okay, things gotta
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: love you Chuck knocks, all right.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: I love what Greg and Graham said though, because every
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  Speaker 2: year the Seahawks have been the one seed, they've gone
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  Speaker 2: to the super Bowl. So that's I think another thing
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: to add to the go to the super Bowl US Pope,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: great point everything.
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  Speaker 3: I'm serious.
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  Speaker 5: It's true.
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  Speaker 2: Every time we've gotten a new pope is the year
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  Speaker 2: the Seahawks go to the super Bowl.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: You guys are I'm telling you right now, don't go
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: down that road because because the new pope he's from Chicago.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: I know, you really think that's gonna help. If it's
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: Seattle and the Bears. Do you think that's gonna be? Okay?
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: The Chicago Pope.
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  Speaker 3: He's gonna patrol in the super Bowl.
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  Speaker 19: Well, then don't bring up the Pope. If you want
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 19: to bring up the Pope, if you want to bring
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 19: up I'm telling you the Pope. He ain't the Bush
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 19: come to shove this pulpe and a Seahawks fan.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 5: No he's not.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 6: He's not.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: I mean he's got enough issues because I think isn't
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: he a white Sox fan?
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  Speaker 5: Yes?
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: Yes he is, God helping holidays.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't mean to use the Lord's name in vain there.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: But yeah, that's perfect.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: Come on.
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  Speaker 2: Also, I don't get I understand the Rams are good
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: and we lost them earlier this year. I still think
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: the Bears are really good too. And if I don't
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: feel any differently, if the Seahawks face the Bears versus
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: if the Seahawks face the Rams in the next next.
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  Speaker 1: Round, all right, all right, take a break, come back
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  Speaker 1: soft he's next.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, obviously you know just and routes on air, just
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 10: kind of felt a little little something of bleak.
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  Speaker 11: Just didn't want to push it. Uh you know, it
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 11: wasn't the day to push it.
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  Speaker 1: So that was that was it.
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  Speaker 10: So just came inside. I got some rehab and you know,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 10: feel like I'll be ready to.
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  Speaker 11: Go for Saturday.
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  Speaker 1: That was just today, that happened.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, you ever had anything pleeak issues or anything.
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  Speaker 10: No, No, never had oblique issues. But it's fun. You know,
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 10: we'll attack it the next couple of days and be
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 10: ready to go for Saturday.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 11: This sounding like brilliant side.
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  Speaker 10: You don't feel I'm saying it's just on my left side.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 10: You know, it is what it is.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 11: But yeah, again, like I said, Cultson on the throw,
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  Speaker 11: But you know, I'll be ready to go.
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  Speaker 9: You think you might not play.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 10: Uh, very low center, probably closer to zero.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: There you go. Sam Donald about an hour ago, speaking
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: of the media, questionable oblique, What the hell is going
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: on to? All right, we can all take a deep breath, relax,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: and we move on. All is good in the Seahawks world. Hello, Dave,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: how are you?
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 5: I'm good.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 20: I'm glad that you and I can be here to
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 20: talk about the big news coming out of Seattle. Brandon
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 20: Montour back baby tonight. That's bruins. How about what's going on?
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: I didn't know Donnie's back, Jake jacob bonsa got sent down,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: people are in an uproar, and Sam Donald's got a
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: battle bleak. Have you ever had a battle bleak?
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 5: I've I've I've bruised my ribs before.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 20: I don't know if that counts as an open but
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 20: I have bruised my ribs. I bruised my ribs water
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 20: skiing on Lake Washington about twenty years ago, bouncing up
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 20: and down, which is really ridiculous because twenty years ago
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 20: I was fat as a house and had about eighty
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 20: five pounds of padding.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 5: Around my rib kit.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, houch, you get hurt.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 20: I don't know, dude, I don't know. There's a choppy
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 20: day on Lake Washington, but that'd bean. Bruising your rib
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 20: sucks because every time you breathe, you can feel it.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: It's freaking terrible. You have homegroun on today, right, we do. Yes,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: do you have is Hugh coming on it all?
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 20: He was gonna come on at three oh five and
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 20: we'll get his thoughts on it. From a quarterbacks perspective,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 20: There's there's two things that actually make me feel pretty
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 20: good about this whole thing.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 5: Yes, Number one, the.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 20: Fact that it's his left side, not his right side right,
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 20: which is which is his throwing where I guess where
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 20: his power would come from would be his right side.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 20: And then number two, the fact that he actually spoke
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 20: to the media. I mean, there's a there was a
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 20: guy a couple of years ago.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: I don't god.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 20: Darn it remember who it was, but he's hurt and
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 20: he went out there. I mean it may have been
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 20: a Mariner player. Actually, I remember just thinking, Okay, if
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 20: that guy was really in trouble, there's no way he's
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 20: addressing the media at number one, because number two, he'd
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 20: be in the training room right with forty eight hours
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 20: to go until kickoff on Saturday, getting as much treatment
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 20: as he can on that thing before the game. But
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 20: the fact that Darnold actually addressed the media today, man,
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 20: I mean, I don't know. I'm not saying it's a
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 20: it's a zero I'm not saying it's a nothing burger,
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 20: but I feel pretty damn good about Darnald playing in
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 20: the game on Saturday and playing well by the way.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 20: I mean, I know there's concerned about how much he
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 20: can get in this deep ball, right how much juice
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 20: does he have on those you know, post routes and
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 20: sideline routes and things like that.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 5: But I don't know.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 20: I mean, I first heard the news on your show. Actually, man,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 20: how about that breaking news on the in for show?
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 20: And I was like what, I just doubt out what
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 20: in my car because this came out of nowhere? And
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 20: then I and then I heard you say to Jess
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 20: Sam Donald spoke today.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 5: We're gonna have the audio.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: It's like, okay, what, Yeah, Well, if you've been you've
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: covered this thing, you've been out there a zillion years
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: like I have. Uh. You know that they do their
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: pr staffit. They do a phenomenal job, Jeff and Dave
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: and Rich. They're really good. They do a great job.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: The one thing that they have been consistent with and
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: this goes back to the nineties when I was at
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: Cold One with Bruce King and that was Gary Wright
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: running the show and Pearson was his was his assistant.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: They don't let guys who were hurt talk ever, So
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: to me, as soon as he's on the podium, I'm like, okay,
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: I'm taking a deep breath. And then you hear him
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: say yeah, becausezero, we're airing on the side of caution.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: I'm curious from Hugh though, Dave, this is the weird
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: part about it for me. Have you seen the great
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: belt video?
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he was doing his right side with them.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: Is like top of his right shoulder with the thearra
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: gun and then he's.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 5: Having a little bit of a sore shoulder too. I mean,
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 5: it's James, this is a team forgot.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: Telling you right now. This is a full Hugh Millin
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: bought football in a wind tunnel breakdown of how the
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: Because I heard.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 20: You say on your show today, I don't remember what
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 20: the topic was, but you're like, what does it mean?
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 20: What does it mean when the guy's walking off the
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 20: field on the Thursday before a playoff?
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 5: Got a massage? Guys right shoulder?
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 20: Dude, here's the thing, man, Uh, these guys are all
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 20: nicked up, right, They're all nick right, They're all getting massages,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 20: they're all getting cold tubs they're all in the hot tub,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 20: They're all using the massage gun. I mean, hell, I'm
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 20: fifty two years old. I am not an athlete by
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 20: any stretch of the imagination. I've got three massage guns
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 20: at home, three of them, okay, that I use all
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 20: the time on my ass, my hammy, my quads, my glutes,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 20: the whole freaking thing.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 5: Man.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 20: So those guys are constantly using things like that. And
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 20: if this, if this report hadn't come out, if Sam
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 20: Sam Darnold had not been added to the injury report
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 20: with a oblique injury, nobody's saying buppkus about him using
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 20: a thera gun on his shoulder.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: No, nobody, exactly, exactly nobody. Yeah, I mean, I'm not
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: the guy to tell people to calm down. But calm down, people,
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: calm down, get a hold of yourself. Okay, be honest
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: with you. Nothing to see here, Be honest with me.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: When when Cord and I Cord and I first started talking,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: and in the conversation he said that what happened, you.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 5: Know what happened?
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 20: I actually tuned in right in the middle of Corbin
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 20: talking about if Drew Lock plays, I'm.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 5: Like, what what the hell are you talking about it.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 5: Drew lock plays just not happened.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 20: And then I looked it up and I saw that
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 20: he over and added to the injury updates. So yeah,
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 20: that that that that actually is the first that I
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 20: found out when I heard Corbyn talking about Shanahan and
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 20: Sawid dropping safeties down because I'm not worried about the
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 20: deep ball because two locks.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 5: Playing, I'm like, what did this? Something?
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: The Hell's going on here? Drew locks Playing, You're like, well,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: and here's the problem. Drew Lox slipped on the turf
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: today and his Jalen Milroe will be.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 5: You know what if that happened, I take the Niners
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 5: and the Points.
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  Speaker 20: By the way, the Hawks actually maybe underdogs at that point,
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 20: I think the Niners would be favored.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: Ends up story.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 20: Lord, all right, so you got Millan and holding on today,
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 20: we got Miller, we got Steve mary Ucci from the
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 20: NFL network night Jo.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 5: Said, well, Holme, Grin is gonna be here for.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 20: A couple of segments before we get to cracking ruins
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 20: pregame four thirty from the five twenty bar and grills.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 5: So a lot of oblique talk, a lot of muscle talk.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: With home run two years ago, Homegrod at one point
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: told me Esped told the same thing. We never even
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: had obleaks back.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 5: Then, exactly. Yeah, he's getting back a thing until like
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 5: four years ago. Alright, for the mild mannered and marginally
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 5: objectionable Inverness this paddle day saying so long everyone,