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Super Tuesdays - Michigan Democratic Primary Goes Down To The Wire · The Chuck ToddCast

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Speaker 1: One of the swingtiest states in the country, looks like
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Speaker 1: it has picked one of the most liberal nominees for
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Speaker 1: Senate it's ever done. Welcome to Super Tuesday. That's shuck
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Speaker 1: down on Chris Eliza. All right, So, Chuck, I don't
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Speaker 1: think a giant surprise about abdul Lsied in the Michigan
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Speaker 1: Senate primary. Most of the data suggested, you know, at
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Speaker 1: least directionally, if not margin wise, that he was going
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Speaker 1: to come in first.
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Speaker 2: Number one. Does the margin matter?
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Speaker 1: You know, he didn't win by twenty as some of
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Speaker 1: these I don't think either of us thought he was
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Speaker 1: going to win by twenty.
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Speaker 2: But he didn't win by twenty. Does the margin matter?
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about that quickly, and then I want to
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Speaker 1: get to kind of like him as a nominee.
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Speaker 3: So look, I think there's a few things that it
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Speaker 3: can explain why the polls are wrong in Michigan, and
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Speaker 3: the poles are almost always wrong on Michigan because there's
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Speaker 3: a lot of people just met It's a tough it's
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Speaker 3: not an easy state to poll with the party registration
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Speaker 3: issue and all that stuff. It is amazing how often
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Speaker 3: pulling its pulling. Primaries are just a mess right. But
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Speaker 3: I will say this, you know a lot of times
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Speaker 3: in primary polling in states with large African American populations,
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Speaker 3: the African American vote is essentially underpolled in the polls
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Speaker 3: higher undecided perhaps, and that's because they you know, there's
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Speaker 3: just less and we know she was going to do
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Speaker 3: well with African American voters. So that explains I think
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Speaker 3: why this was a tighter race than the polling itself
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Speaker 3: seemed to put out there. But again, if you anybody
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Speaker 3: that has followed Michigan politics closely knows there's just even
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Speaker 3: the people that have done this for a long time,
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Speaker 3: you know, our friends at EPICMRA or the Mitchell Research,
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Speaker 3: they it's just tough and they've they've had some clunkers
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Speaker 3: in the past with with with maybe margins out of whack.
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Speaker 3: It's clear that everybody right, if Steven's had a poll
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Speaker 3: that had shown her up, she would have released it, right,
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Speaker 3: and she never totally. So you know, it was no
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Speaker 3: doubt that I do AlSi hat had all the momentum
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Speaker 3: a larger turnout. But I will say this, we forget
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Speaker 3: there is a real organization in that state, and the
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Speaker 3: organization the sort of the more traditional organizations. We're all
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Speaker 3: behind Stevens, so total it would have been a you know,
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Speaker 3: talk about an emperor with no close moment, I mean,
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Speaker 3: had a one by double digits, it would have really
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Speaker 3: been an indictment on the establishment right in many ways. Essentially,
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Speaker 3: the difference here is a duels. I just excited more
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Speaker 3: of his voters than Stevens did.
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Speaker 2: It is it's a great point.
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Speaker 1: It's like, you know, we talk about the death of
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Speaker 1: machine politics and how the establishment in both parties is
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Speaker 1: very much on the outs, but like there are still places,
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Speaker 1: you know, Michigan, it's probably a residue of the strength
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Speaker 1: of unions in the state, right, but there is still
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Speaker 1: a political machine there, particularly in kind of Wayne, and
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Speaker 1: you know in Detroit.
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Speaker 3: Right, and there's still machinee and this layer although labor
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Speaker 3: was between them, labor.
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Speaker 1: Was split, but she had most of that, like she
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Speaker 1: had the Gritch and Whitmer organization, right, she had like
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Speaker 1: and so when we say establishment, yeah, it has become
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Speaker 1: a little bit of a dirt.
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Speaker 3: Look, Benson won a lot of Abdul voters, but I
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Speaker 3: bet you, you know, I bet you some Abdul AlSi
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Speaker 3: Head voters voted for the other candidate in the race
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Speaker 3: versus all of Stevens was with Benson.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk, okay quickly.
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Speaker 1: On one of the issues that we've seen with candidates
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Speaker 1: positioned on the left, like abduls is great with younger
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Speaker 1: white voters, good with affluent white voters, really struggle with
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Speaker 1: black voters. Bernie Sanders being the kind of fer example
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Speaker 1: of that. Right, It's like he wins Nevada, he wins
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Speaker 1: New Hampshire, but he can't win in South Carolina.
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Speaker 2: How much of an issue is that?
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Speaker 1: Because you're right, I mean, if you look at the map, right,
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Speaker 1: she actually did pretty well in central Michigan too. Haley
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Speaker 1: Steven's not then populated, but she did pretty well in
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Speaker 1: central Michigan.
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Speaker 2: But if you look at the.
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Speaker 1: Map, her margin, you know that kept it relatively close
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Speaker 1: through most of the night. Is Wayne right, Detroit, Right,
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Speaker 1: that's her best, which is going to be the largest
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Speaker 1: of the state.
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Speaker 3: I mean, look, it's quite possible when all the votes
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Speaker 3: are counted, she'll technically win those three. The three most
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Speaker 3: important counties to Democratic general election candidates are Mcomb, Oakland
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Speaker 3: and and Wayne. You could already camp which is Grand Rapids.
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Speaker 3: You throw that in there in Ingram, which is Lancing.
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Speaker 3: He's Lancing.
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Speaker 4: So those are those five counties are really.
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Speaker 3: Sort of at the heart of how you win statewide
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Speaker 3: in Michigan, particularly if you're a Democrat. You know, Republicans
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Speaker 3: are just trying to cut the margins there or lesson
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Speaker 3: turnout or things like that, and so you know that,
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Speaker 3: you know, it's interesting, like I think, I think a
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Speaker 3: midterm year, but in general, midterm years are the best
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Speaker 3: time for ideological candidates to win general elections. Presidential years
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Speaker 3: are just harder to for ideological candidates to win general
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Speaker 3: elections simply because you have just you have more sort
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Speaker 3: of you know, once every four year voters who.
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Speaker 2: Are just just usual electorate.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, correct, and they usually go, okay, who's the least
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Speaker 3: you know, who's the least partisan? Right, there's a there's
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Speaker 3: a chunk of those votes perhaps, and and you know,
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Speaker 3: so look, I see virtually no difference in Democrats' chances
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Speaker 3: to win the Michigan Senate race between the two. But
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Speaker 3: the the the asterisk I put there is I do
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Speaker 3: know that the Republican Party is going to throw much
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Speaker 3: more money into Michigan now against Abdul Alsaiah than they
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Speaker 3: would have against Stevens. What does that mean though, because
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Speaker 3: the other sub the other subhead story of the night
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Speaker 3: in Michigan is that the big money, you know, there
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Speaker 3: was sort of there's been some resist, right The biggest
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Speaker 3: spender in the Republican governor's primary was Perry Johnson, not
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Speaker 3: John James. John James lost a lea Stevens at all
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Speaker 3: was the biggest spend sixty.
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Speaker 2: Plus million spent right to L five or eight million.
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Speaker 3: You know, America's favorite most exotic member of Congress Shreeda
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Speaker 3: and uh, you know who spent a ton of his
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Speaker 3: own as he always does, and he spent his own money.
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Speaker 3: And that guy, you know, appears to be been rejected.
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Speaker 3: So you know, you throw all that in there, and
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Speaker 3: you know, maybe there's there's only so much money can
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Speaker 3: do for you. And guess who owns new media or
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Speaker 3: social media or whatever you want to call it. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: I mean Mike Rogers is not native to that. No,
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Speaker 3: and no, and so he may be able to go
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Speaker 3: the legacy media route. I don't know what kind of
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Speaker 3: political athlete he's going to be.
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Speaker 1: And I think there are questions about that, you know,
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Speaker 1: and we heard on the live stream that we did
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Speaker 1: last night. We heard some questions about he's never been
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Speaker 1: a great fundraise, he wasn't a great funders remain in
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four?
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Speaker 2: Is he the right fit form a member of Congress?
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Speaker 1: You know, we'll see. I want to talk about twenty eight.
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Speaker 1: So I look, this is going to be a very
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Speaker 1: twenty six. Michigan was going to be competitive, whether it
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Speaker 1: was Hailey Stevens a Duels. I ed, this is probably
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Speaker 1: the only really at this point, credible chance. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I guess we could argue about John Ossoff in Georgia,
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Speaker 1: but really credible chance. It's an open seat.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, anymore, I think yeah, I think it's pretty I
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Speaker 3: think will.
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Speaker 2: Which is remarkable Chuck that it's off the table.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm just curious if he could cross fifty five,
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Speaker 3: which would be highly impressive and and I think, you know,
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Speaker 3: only strengthened the argument that maybe he is ready to
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Speaker 3: take that I was.
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Speaker 2: Going to say, and would set him up for twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty eight.
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Speaker 3: It would you know, this is the fifty six fifty
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Speaker 3: seven Oh yeah, yeah, in a swing state in the South,
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Speaker 3: as a Democrat state in the South, as a progressive,
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Speaker 3: arguably liberal Jewish candidate. I wouldn't say progressive. I think
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Speaker 3: he would say, now call himself more liberal than progressive.
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Speaker 2: Probably liberal on policy, tonally more moderate.
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Speaker 1: But still yeah, like yeah, and so this Michigan's going
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Speaker 1: to be the one place, and I think you'll hear
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Speaker 1: Republicans talk about I think it would be true with
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Speaker 1: Haley Stephens. I think it's profile.
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Speaker 3: It's funny you say that. So this will be the
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Speaker 3: Senate Platner Collins would have been the national Senate race
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Speaker 3: or Platiner stuck. That race is now going to go
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Speaker 3: super regional. And frankly, I think I think Collins is
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Speaker 3: in big trouble, not small trouble, not not little trouble,
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Speaker 3: right I do.
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Speaker 1: I think because Troy Jackson's just a cipher for the Democrats. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: he's he can't He's hard to get a referendum on him, right.
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Speaker 3: They You know, they had a couple of days go
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Speaker 3: viral about the coustin he married.
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Speaker 2: His second cousin.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, Okay, second cousin is like you know, yeah,
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Speaker 3: not like first cousin.
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Speaker 1: Not first cousin. No, it is super different, exponentially different. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean different second because.
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Speaker 3: It closer to the way all of us are like,
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Speaker 3: we're all within a couple of percentage points, right, you.
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Speaker 2: Know, six degrees of.
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Speaker 3: Of relation there, Right, we're fourth, fifth cousins somewhere along
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Speaker 3: the line, actually.
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Speaker 2: Related, he does, we don't look at But.
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Speaker 3: So this Michigan center race will be the sticky national rate. Right,
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Speaker 3: it's a swing state anyway, Right, you have that totally.
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Speaker 3: It's a really Midwest. The pressure on abdul l Sied
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Speaker 3: not to lose, right, like he cannot like a loss
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Speaker 3: here is a body blow to the progressive movement and
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Speaker 3: their chances to win the nomination and take over the
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Speaker 3: party in twenty eight The hell for Elsie, right.
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Speaker 2: That's right, it is so much stakes.
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Speaker 3: A victory is the other way around. It is a
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Speaker 3: It is a shot in the arm. And you'll be like,
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Speaker 3: who says a progressive can't win a swing state. He's
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Speaker 3: won a general election in the United States center. He's
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Speaker 3: Muslim and he wanted a state the message can sell
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Speaker 3: because you could probably argue is so weird that that
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Speaker 3: you know, he's having to overcome what is some built
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Speaker 3: in prejudice that's that's sort of baked into a lot
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Speaker 3: of voters in America when it comes to the religion
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Speaker 3: of Islam. So, you know, I think it's a huge
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Speaker 3: shot in the arm to the progressive mood to be
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Speaker 3: able to say, hey, he can win in Michigan. Oh gosh,
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Speaker 3: message is selling. You know it's Look, he strikes me
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Speaker 3: as a guy who may jump right, move over Rocanna,
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Speaker 3: totally run.
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Speaker 1: If she does run, there's a massive opening, a vacuum.
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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, Abdul, watch out, Rocana. I don't think you've
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Speaker 3: got the biceps, buddy.
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Speaker 1: And we and we joked, we joked on the Live
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Speaker 1: shom but it's so true. Look, add is not going
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Speaker 1: to be let's say he wins in the fall. He's
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Speaker 1: not settling in to chair the Banking committee in twenty.
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Speaker 2: Years, you know what I mean?
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Speaker 1: Like, yeah, Like it's not what he's interested in.
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Speaker 3: No, So there's going to be that. Look, we've seen this.
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Speaker 3: There's movement politicians, and there's there's sort of the committee
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Speaker 3: chairman politicians right when that run for Senate and House.
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Speaker 3: And you know, you and I have covered these people.
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Speaker 3: We know you know this guy, even if he doesn't
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Speaker 3: run for president twenty eight, he is running for president.
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Speaker 3: Maybe it's thirty two, maybe it's you know, yeah, this
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Speaker 3: he is he is not. You know, this isn't all
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Speaker 3: he's doing.
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Speaker 1: It's totally one hundred percent agree. And you know what's
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Speaker 1: so interesting too, is like just how narratives work. It's
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Speaker 1: like it's probably an overestimation to say that if Abduel
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Speaker 1: Sayad loses, that a liberal candidate can't be the Democratic
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Speaker 1: nominee and win a general election. And it's an overestimation
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Speaker 1: to say if Abduel Siad wins, then electability is totally
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Speaker 1: off the table, and of course AOC will be the nominee.
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Speaker 1: Like it's these two narratives are exactly opposite, and AOC
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Speaker 1: has almost no control or or ro connor anyone else.
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Speaker 1: There's no control over it. And yet like it's, it
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Speaker 1: does have twenty eight implications.
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Speaker 2: Before we move on, I want you to.
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Speaker 1: Make a point you made about this Michigan Senate Democratic
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Speaker 1: primary visa B twenty eight on a tactical county by
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Speaker 1: county level, because you know, the vibes matter, right, like, okay,
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Speaker 1: what does this tell us? But also anyone Pete Footage's
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Speaker 1: campaign is going to get.
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Speaker 3: This matter and study us more. You know, if you're
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Speaker 3: thinking about Gavin newsom you're thinking about running for president. Right,
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Speaker 3: we now know Michigan's in this early window, but it's
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Speaker 3: late in the calendar, so it's likely to be a
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Speaker 3: two or three candidate race by then at best, by
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Speaker 3: that portion of the primary would be my you know,
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Speaker 3: if past just if is any guide here, and this
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Speaker 3: map is going to serve as a pretty good way
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Speaker 3: to at least know, oh this is you know what
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Speaker 3: you know and this is something that's missing. You know,
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Speaker 3: It's pretty easy to find trend lines about oh this
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Speaker 3: is a bloom county, this is a red county, a
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Speaker 3: purple county. Is it a progressive county or is it
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Speaker 3: a a pragmatic democratic county? Is this is this a
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Speaker 3: chamber of commerce republican county or is this an evangelical
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Speaker 3: Republican county? Right, like, it is going to serve as
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Speaker 3: sort of the the a quick a quick guy to
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Speaker 3: be able to say, huh, is this county more left
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Speaker 3: or more or more or more center right? And so
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Speaker 3: this map is going to be a very useful map.
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Speaker 3: And ard over because I promise you this, anybody that
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Speaker 3: voted in this primary.
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Speaker 4: Likely voter in the in the presidential primary.
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Speaker 3: That's hundred February twenty let's talk about I want to.
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Speaker 1: Talk about a few other things that happened on Tuesday.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we apologize, but we thought this one in particular,
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Speaker 3: that we have to wait until because the race was
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Speaker 3: so big it super Tuesdays.
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Speaker 1: The podcast is going to come out on Tuesday almost always,
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Speaker 1: but because we didn't here's what we didn't want.
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Speaker 2: Man, this Michigan race is really important.
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Speaker 3: Wow.
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Speaker 1: And then no one after one twelve hours of the
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Speaker 1: podcast being up, anyone's Everyone's like, why the hell did
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Speaker 1: they spend thirty minutes speculating about race.
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Speaker 3: Over what we're admitting is, don't expect a lot of
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Speaker 3: Francesca Hong David Crost's commentary.
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Speaker 4: Next next week.
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Speaker 1: So normally, yes, Tuesdays, it is not called Super Wednesdays,
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Speaker 1: but we're this week. I want to talk about two
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Speaker 1: other things, Chuck, let's stay in Senate world one and
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Speaker 1: you're we're both I think hot on this because we're intrigued.
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Speaker 1: Adam Hamilton was one of a number of candidates running
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Speaker 1: for the Democratic nomination in Kansas, and Kansas voted on Tuesday. Obviously,
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Speaker 1: Michigan got all the attention. Missouri to a western extent.
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Speaker 1: Can just also voted. Adam Hamilton was like a five
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Speaker 1: or six way primary.
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Speaker 2: He wins.
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Speaker 1: He is the pastor of the largest church in the
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Speaker 1: state of Kansas. He initially considered running as an independent.
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Speaker 1: He decided to run as a Democrat.
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Speaker 2: This race is intriguing, I think.
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Speaker 1: I will note the Cook Report Cook Political Report, where
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Speaker 1: I once worked handicapping site, moved as soon as ADELM.
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Speaker 2: Hamilton won the primary, moved the race from solid.
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Speaker 1: Republican to likely Republican, which means they have an eye
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Speaker 1: on it and it's potentially competitive. Let's talk a little
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Speaker 1: bit about Kansas. You know, I think most people like Kansas.
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Speaker 1: Let's just talk a little bit about why you should.
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Speaker 1: We're not saying it's not it's not the main Senate race, right,
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Speaker 1: but why you should keep an eye on it.
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Speaker 3: Well, look, there's a few things with the Kansas. First all,
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Speaker 3: there's been a bit of a trend line. Some of
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Speaker 3: it goes back to you. You brought it up, you
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Speaker 3: brought up a few times, which is you know Sam Brownback,
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Speaker 3: who was you know Sam brown Back once ran for
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Speaker 3: president people. Oh yes, he was a movement conservative one
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Speaker 3: hundred percent. You know, his political career. I remember he
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Speaker 3: won a House seat in ninety four in the ninety
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Speaker 3: four the famous ninety four Republican Revolution Republican Revolution. Bob
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Speaker 3: Dole decides to resign his Senate seat in ninety six, that's.
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Speaker 2: Right, to run full time for president.
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Speaker 3: Right, and the appointed Senator Brownbeck decides to challenge her.
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Speaker 4: I believe in a primary.
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Speaker 2: Was it Nancy Cassebaum?
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Speaker 4: No, this was this Sheila from Sheila.
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Speaker 2: Fromp That's right.
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Speaker 3: That's right.
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Speaker 2: He beat her in the primary, that's right.
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Speaker 4: I believe that. That's what you know.
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Speaker 3: I think that's exactly what he was like in an
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Speaker 3: accelerated and he was always the outsider, the outside. He
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Speaker 3: was pushing the envelope, pushing the envelope, and he did
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Speaker 3: have his eyes. I mean, I think he was, you know,
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Speaker 3: a little bit more of a religious conservative, and you
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Speaker 3: know that's where he was going first, right, it was senate,
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Speaker 3: it was president, and then it's sort of the presidential
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Speaker 3: ambition sort of pulled back, and then he went to governor.
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Speaker 3: And what he did to the education system so angered
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Speaker 3: particularly Johnson County. In that area, you know, one of
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Speaker 3: the the Johnson County public schools are very popular they're
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Speaker 3: very good. You know they're in that area. And what
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Speaker 3: he did to mess with the with the funding, it
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Speaker 3: was all about the funding of the schools. Frankly, it's
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Speaker 3: it's what's benefits. The same issue is helping Rob sand right.
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Speaker 4: Now in Iowa.
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Speaker 3: That that's part of why he's overperforming in some of
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Speaker 3: these red rural counties because you know the school choice movement. Look,
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Speaker 3: it's it's why Greg Abbott is not a slam dunk
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Speaker 3: in Texas. He's messed around with it. Same thing where
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Speaker 3: and we know governor's races are a little bit more
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Speaker 3: issue focused than they are. Jersey color and things like that.
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Speaker 3: Brown Back really sort of allowed. For first it was
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Speaker 3: just the anti Brownback coalition that he located a governor.
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Speaker 3: That was the first iteration of THEA and then and
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Speaker 3: then there was something a little bit more it. There's
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Speaker 3: suddenly kind of a party now right like the Democrats
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Speaker 3: continue to charise Davids. Wasn't an accidental And when you
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Speaker 3: have the governorship for you build, you know your party
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Speaker 3: contain In the last twenty four when you have Kathleen
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Speaker 3: Sibilius that's Kansas Democratic governor for two terms, you know
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Speaker 3: going into Obama. So it's a Kansas has been on
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Speaker 3: this slow drift, right, Missouri and Kansas. When we first
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Speaker 3: started in politics, Missouri was the swing state. Kansas totally
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Speaker 3: Republican state. Ruby red slippers, you might want to say.
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Speaker 3: And now those ruby red slippers, Uh, the opposite are
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Speaker 3: on the at least yes, ruby red boot and Missouri
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Speaker 3: there and Kansas is.
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Speaker 4: But you know the other thing going on.
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Speaker 3: Here with Kansas is it you know, timing matters in
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Speaker 3: these things, and we've been talking about this. It's not
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Speaker 3: an accident to me that that South Dakota, Iowa, Nebraska,
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Speaker 3: and Kansas are not slam ducks for Republicans to cycle.
18:57
Speaker 4: Now we have various levels of what's competitive. I bring
19:11
Speaker 4: up South Dakota.
19:13
Speaker 1: I was gonna that was the other one I was
19:14
Speaker 1: going to ask about because that we had a little
19:16
Speaker 1: news there. The Democratic nominee in South Dakota did drop
19:18
Speaker 1: out on Tuesday, So you will now have Brian Bangs,
19:24
Speaker 1: who is running as an independent, facing off. It is
19:27
Speaker 1: a one on one race against I believe it's Kurt
19:30
Speaker 1: All me not Kurt No.
19:31
Speaker 2: That's that's Montana.
19:33
Speaker 3: No, that's right, that's what Thans Rounds Bess Rounds, that's.
19:37
Speaker 2: Right, the former governor.
19:38
Speaker 1: So it's a one on one now there and it
19:42
Speaker 1: is South Dakota. But I wanted to talk about that
19:44
Speaker 1: one too, because you we were talking about South.
19:46
Speaker 2: Dakota and Braska, Iowa and Kansas.
19:49
Speaker 3: And there's a few things that I wonder about with Rounds,
19:54
Speaker 3: and that is, is there angry mega Republicans at Thune
19:58
Speaker 3: and Rounds that are angry at Thune kind of take
20:02
Speaker 3: it out.
20:02
Speaker 4: On Rounds by maybe not showing up.
20:06
Speaker 3: Super maga by nature, and they're not, and we know
20:09
Speaker 3: they're you know, we watched this when Christy Noman saw
20:13
Speaker 3: the way the party was moving and she decided to
20:15
Speaker 3: jump on the mega train. Rounds and Thunes did not, No,
20:20
Speaker 3: and they've survived. But we're seeing that it's difficult to
20:24
Speaker 3: be that kind of South Dakota Republican in the Republican primary, right.
20:30
Speaker 4: So I.
20:32
Speaker 3: Throw it out there. I'm curious about that. And obviously
20:36
Speaker 3: one of the other reasons is, look, the ag economy
20:38
Speaker 3: has just been hammered both by his tariffs and the
20:43
Speaker 3: aggressive immigration deportation, which has really harmed the ag economy
20:46
Speaker 3: in these states. Obviously, I was the most vulnerable of
20:49
Speaker 3: those four for Republicans. And then well, it was interesting.
20:54
Speaker 3: We had this debate on our live stream last night,
20:56
Speaker 3: and I think it was Jessica Taylor who thought, there's
21:00
Speaker 3: this sense that even though Nebraska is closer right now,
21:03
Speaker 3: that there's a hard ceiling there for Osby, there's more Rickets.
21:09
Speaker 2: That's right.
21:10
Speaker 1: You you can find a poll that has Osborne and
21:12
Speaker 1: Ricketts within the margin of era. It'd be hard, I
21:14
Speaker 1: think at the moment, to find a poll that as
21:16
Speaker 1: Roger Marshall within the margin of ara with Adam Hamilton.
21:19
Speaker 1: But if you're if you're casting forward, when you're casting forward,
21:24
Speaker 1: it does kind of to your point. It's like, yeah, Osborne,
21:28
Speaker 1: Osborne came out of nowhere, snuck up on deb Fisher
21:31
Speaker 1: and still lost by seven.
21:32
Speaker 3: Look, and I would say this, then you start to go,
21:35
Speaker 3: let's talk about candidate quality here. Okay, So you've got
21:40
Speaker 3: Mike Ground's former governor who sort of and and to me,
21:45
Speaker 3: I don't I think governors that are that turn to
21:48
Speaker 3: senators don't lose touch with their voters as quickly as
21:52
Speaker 3: as those that weren't governors.
21:54
Speaker 2: Yep, uh, you got that. You still have those Yeah,
21:56
Speaker 2: you still have those ties.
21:58
Speaker 3: Yeah, Pete Ricketts the same thing former yep. Right, Roger
22:03
Speaker 3: Marshall not so much, right, No, And so Ashley Hintson
22:09
Speaker 3: I think pretty but you know, her first name is congresswoman,
22:12
Speaker 3: which I don't think.
22:13
Speaker 4: Is the best.
22:14
Speaker 3: You know, she's sort of even though she's not the
22:16
Speaker 3: incumbent senator, she is sort of the incumbent federal office holder.
22:22
Speaker 3: So you know, you start to look at it in
22:24
Speaker 3: those ways. Look, I don't know if I would bet
22:27
Speaker 3: against Ricketts and Rounds. I just think that because as
22:30
Speaker 3: former governors, it does feel as if I think Marshall
22:34
Speaker 3: and Hintson have it hard with.
22:36
Speaker 2: I agree, And look, we know.
22:39
Speaker 1: The fact is we know open seats just tend to
22:41
Speaker 1: be more volatile. And that's why Iowa, I think is
22:44
Speaker 1: Iowa feels to me like a little bit of a
22:46
Speaker 1: category of its own.
22:47
Speaker 2: And then I think we can debate Kansas, Nebraska, and
22:49
Speaker 2: then I think South Dakota.
22:50
Speaker 1: But the point is we're talking about these states, right, Like,
22:54
Speaker 1: there's Michigan on the on the Republican potential to flip.
22:58
Speaker 3: Does Michigan change for you that much between the two, No.
23:02
Speaker 2: Not really. I mean it's a different race. It's a
23:06
Speaker 2: different race, right, I mean, but.
23:09
Speaker 3: Can we can we say that you and I have
23:11
Speaker 3: danced around this, and one of the pledges I've made
23:14
Speaker 3: to myself I'm not going to dance around topics or
23:17
Speaker 3: what do I care exactly? I think that I think
23:21
Speaker 3: you're going to see a really ugly campaign against.
23:23
Speaker 2: Him, against him.
23:25
Speaker 3: Against And the question is, I don't I think it
23:32
Speaker 3: that's one way to try to win. I think this
23:34
Speaker 3: is the wrong cycle for Republicans to try to win
23:37
Speaker 3: that way.
23:37
Speaker 1: When you say ugly, let's just put a name to it,
23:39
Speaker 1: do you think it's I think.
23:43
Speaker 3: There's going to be a ton of Islamophobia and his
23:45
Speaker 3: name does not help, right, I mean, of course, now
23:48
Speaker 3: look back, but I know Brock want I know you
23:53
Speaker 3: know there was plenty upon it. Who thought somebody with
23:57
Speaker 3: the last name who's saying going to get elected president?
24:00
Speaker 2: Yeah?
24:00
Speaker 3: Seven years after nine to eleven, And the answer is yeah, yeah,
24:04
Speaker 3: So I I what I would say is my gut
24:09
Speaker 3: is this is going to be ugly. You're going to
24:11
Speaker 3: see some really you know, the online stuff is going
24:13
Speaker 3: to be super ugly. But I something tells me that
24:18
Speaker 3: this it would it could backfire spectacularly like I'm very
24:23
Speaker 3: curious how they go about this because I would go,
24:26
Speaker 3: you know, there's going to be some of the raw
24:29
Speaker 3: instinct is going to want to go in that direction,
24:31
Speaker 3: and I don't think that's the right direction.
24:33
Speaker 4: I think that could He's he almost would be like,
24:36
Speaker 4: bringing on, you want to do that, let's.
24:38
Speaker 3: Go right, yeah, And I think you're almost playing on
24:40
Speaker 3: his turf if you do that.
24:42
Speaker 1: I'm our friend Logan Dobson, who's a Republican consultant, was
24:48
Speaker 1: on our live stream on Tuesday night and he made
24:51
Speaker 1: the point that a lot of Republicans make, which is, look,
24:53
Speaker 1: Republicans have Republicans super packs up three hundred million dollars
24:57
Speaker 1: more in the bank and committees than Democrat.
25:00
Speaker 3: And Atalie Stevens had a lot of money too, buddy.
25:02
Speaker 1: And I know and that, and I think that they
25:05
Speaker 1: lean on that, and it's like, I don't think that's wrong.
25:08
Speaker 1: I mean, look, you gotta say something. You can't just say, hey,
25:10
Speaker 1: we're going to lose.
25:11
Speaker 2: I wonder like I think there's.
25:14
Speaker 1: Going to be a this will be the marquee Senate race.
25:19
Speaker 1: To your point, this will be the marquee like and
25:21
Speaker 1: by marquee, I just mean the one that gets the
25:23
Speaker 1: most attention and money.
25:24
Speaker 3: Problem well, and and by the way, if it's Hailey, Stevens,
25:28
Speaker 3: Mike Rodgers, this is.
25:29
Speaker 4: Just another center race.
25:29
Speaker 1: It's just another center race, just another Elsie adds. He
25:33
Speaker 1: adds a gigantic there's a star factor, there's the exotic
25:37
Speaker 1: stuff that people But my point in the money thing is,
25:41
Speaker 1: given their lack of real opportunities, North North New Hampshire
25:46
Speaker 1: feels like a little bit of a stretch in this environment.
25:48
Speaker 1: We both agree on Georgia. It's like, Man, if Republicans
25:52
Speaker 1: are going to play offense anywhere with that massive fundraising advantage,
25:55
Speaker 1: it's going to be in Michigan, which makes me think
25:57
Speaker 1: they are literally going to throw the kitchen sink.
25:59
Speaker 3: That's what it's this combination of you know, this is
26:04
Speaker 3: why I've always thought the general was hard to handicap
26:08
Speaker 3: via the polling, not just because it's always hard to
26:10
Speaker 3: step that stuff anyway, but it's just a fundamentally different
26:16
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not convinced Rogers gets full funding of
26:19
Speaker 3: Stevens's denominating totally.
26:21
Speaker 4: I think it's very totally.
26:23
Speaker 3: They throw that that you know that everything is priority, like,
26:26
Speaker 3: don't screw up these little races that they'll be you know,
26:30
Speaker 3: you know, don't screw up Mississippi, which has the runoff provision,
26:33
Speaker 3: which you could easily see you know, a forty nine
26:36
Speaker 3: forty five.
26:37
Speaker 1: Totally, you know, but donors, donors, Republican conservative donors are
26:41
Speaker 1: going to want to spend heavily against abdul And.
26:44
Speaker 3: It gets me to another aspect of why this was
26:46
Speaker 3: such a fascinating primary in the run up to it,
26:50
Speaker 3: because you know, sometimes divisive primaries have Democrats who run
26:55
Speaker 3: and hide, right, the Democratic leaders don't want to take
26:58
Speaker 3: a stand one. It was everybody wanted to make sure
27:03
Speaker 3: every they that anybody with a hint of presidential ambition
27:09
Speaker 3: wanted to make sure they went on the record on
27:12
Speaker 3: this one. And by the way, in either direction. But
27:15
Speaker 3: it was like this felt like a a almost like
27:19
Speaker 3: an identifier, like, Okay, I want to I want to
27:22
Speaker 3: virtue signal that I'm I'm a team Progressive, all right,
27:26
Speaker 3: I want to virtue.
27:27
Speaker 4: Signal that I'm on team.
27:29
Speaker 3: I call it, you know, uh uh electability or whatever
27:33
Speaker 3: you want to call it.
27:34
Speaker 1: They don't want to be called team establishment, I know whatever.
27:38
Speaker 3: You know, that's part of the by the way, that's
27:40
Speaker 3: part of the.
27:40
Speaker 4: Center the problem. What is it?
27:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, you know, even the center right Republicans, you know,
27:47
Speaker 3: they have sort of a label. It's you know, they
27:50
Speaker 3: don't want to say Bush Republicans, just like Democrats don't
27:53
Speaker 3: want to call themselves Clinton. Those Democrats don't want to
27:55
Speaker 3: call them Clinton Democrats anymore, although that is what they
27:57
Speaker 3: were once referred to Clinton Democratic Party wing. And that's
28:02
Speaker 3: kind of what it is, a little bit although there's
28:04
Speaker 3: some Obama Democrats who are who are call themselves.
28:07
Speaker 4: A little bit more.
28:08
Speaker 3: It's I guess you would say it's the governing wing
28:10
Speaker 3: of the Democrats exactly versus the movement wing. And that's
28:14
Speaker 3: just like in the Republicans, it's the government.
28:16
Speaker 2: That's a good way to.
28:16
Speaker 3: Put the moving Yeah, that's a good way to put it.
28:20
Speaker 3: I'm interested about something like that. Write that down.
28:25
Speaker 2: I do think it.
28:28
Speaker 1: I wondered how much Chuck so like, for example, like
28:31
Speaker 1: Alexander custom Cortest did not get involved for Graham Platner
28:35
Speaker 1: at any point, She did not endorse gram Platter, She's
28:37
Speaker 1: not get involved.
28:38
Speaker 2: She did get involved for Abdul said, And.
28:40
Speaker 1: I wondered to your point about everyone every sort of
28:44
Speaker 1: major figure in the Democratic Party being on one side.
28:48
Speaker 1: Is that having to do with the bet that they
28:50
Speaker 1: rightly made that Michigan was going to be in that.
28:56
Speaker 3: Right like well, and I also think if you didn't
28:58
Speaker 3: take a side, what was your problem? What we were
29:00
Speaker 3: going to do?
29:01
Speaker 4: Right? Right?
29:02
Speaker 3: So there was going to be I think yes, without
29:05
Speaker 3: if Michigan hadn't been in an early state, maybe fewer
29:07
Speaker 3: would have felt like they had to take I.
29:09
Speaker 1: Think he probably helped kind of push him over the
29:11
Speaker 1: edge of.
29:11
Speaker 4: A little bit. You had to know where you stand.
29:14
Speaker 2: So keep an eye in Kansas, is what Chuck and
29:17
Speaker 2: I are telling you. It is.
29:18
Speaker 1: Everyone's going to talk about Michigan rightly, so, but just
29:22
Speaker 1: keep an eye.
29:23
Speaker 2: Because it's it is a bear. It is a state
29:25
Speaker 2: that is changing.
29:26
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean it's going to change this election.
29:29
Speaker 3: So let's let's here's a fun little test to find
29:32
Speaker 3: out how nationalized, how nationalized? Which race is going to
29:35
Speaker 3: get the most nationalized? Okay, come November first. In the
29:39
Speaker 3: New York Times, Well, they have done more stories on
29:43
Speaker 3: Tallarico Paxton or on Abdual.
29:45
Speaker 4: I'll sell ed Rogers.
29:47
Speaker 1: I'm going to say Tallarico Paxton only because I think
29:54
Speaker 1: they will write stories about both of them and the race.
29:59
Speaker 1: Whereas I do, I'll say I might get the most
30:02
Speaker 1: coverage out of all four of those candidates.
30:04
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? Like, if we did
30:05
Speaker 2: it just candidate.
30:05
Speaker 1: By candidate, Mike Rodgers is not going to get a
30:08
Speaker 1: ton of coverage.
30:09
Speaker 4: Correct, you know what I mean?
30:10
Speaker 3: So it's cool Rogers made your weak link. Yeah, Paxton
30:14
Speaker 3: at least has his own character. He has can make
30:17
Speaker 3: him a character write about.
30:19
Speaker 1: And you could you could write the story of Like
30:22
Speaker 1: you know, Ken Paxton has been so controversial and yet
30:25
Speaker 1: he's never lost an election. Like there's there's a million
30:27
Speaker 1: ways to go with him. Where it's like Mike Rogers,
30:29
Speaker 1: it's like he was in Congress, used to work for
30:31
Speaker 1: the FBI.
30:32
Speaker 3: Like is it related to Buck Rogers?
30:35
Speaker 2: Now that would be an interesting story. See if you.
30:37
Speaker 3: Buck Rogers, man, i'd be you know that that would
30:39
Speaker 3: op the Republican chances of winning that seat by a
30:42
Speaker 3: couple of points.
30:42
Speaker 1: Right, I got one last Senate question. I want to
30:45
Speaker 1: move on to a quick thing. So we're doing it
30:47
Speaker 1: slightly shorter because it's late for us.
30:51
Speaker 3: Uh, well, we don't have to do manage to baseball
30:54
Speaker 3: talk anymore. Yeah, exactly, the national over the national season,
30:58
Speaker 3: that man, that happened fast.
31:00
Speaker 4: Yeah.
31:01
Speaker 3: Well well look we made it a little longer than
31:02
Speaker 3: we thought. We had over one hundred games, so I
31:04
Speaker 3: appreciate it.
31:04
Speaker 2: That just this right down the tubes.
31:06
Speaker 1: James Wood.
31:06
Speaker 2: Now on the il it's we lost five v to
31:08
Speaker 2: the stupid Philly's on Tuesday.
31:10
Speaker 3: Five steps back. That's a job, guys.
31:13
Speaker 2: Thanks, Which race margin wise do you expect to be
31:19
Speaker 2: closer on November third? Kansas Senate or Nebraska Senate.
31:26
Speaker 4: That's a great question.
31:28
Speaker 3: I guess I'm going to say Kansas because I think
31:32
Speaker 3: I I think Hamilton can win, and I don't know
31:35
Speaker 3: if Osborne can.
31:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the hard ceiling thing.
31:38
Speaker 1: It's like Osborne can get to forty five, like, but
31:41
Speaker 1: can he get to forty seven?
31:44
Speaker 2: Fifty? I think that may be right.
31:45
Speaker 1: It's remarkable Hamilton has a higher ceiling, probably lower, And
31:48
Speaker 1: it is.
31:48
Speaker 3: Worth noting that that most of the forty eight forty
31:51
Speaker 3: seven numbers usually come from Team Blue. Yeah, on that
31:55
Speaker 3: Nebraska side, and it's sort of look, do I think
31:57
Speaker 3: they're going to have the electorate that they want?
31:59
Speaker 4: I do, and that matters a.
32:01
Speaker 2: Lot better year than twenty twenty four.
32:03
Speaker 3: And there's little things like how about no Don Bacon
32:07
Speaker 3: helping in Omaha? Right, Like that's a small thing, but
32:09
Speaker 3: it's not a small thing. So that's a huge thing.
32:12
Speaker 3: It's just a weaker you know, one of the more
32:14
Speaker 3: important Republican organizations on the ground in your largest city,
32:19
Speaker 3: in your swing county is not there. You know, you
32:24
Speaker 3: know it's eighty percent of what it was. Well, that's
32:27
Speaker 3: could be a point a point and a half, and.
32:29
Speaker 2: That's the thing that matter exactly right.
32:33
Speaker 3: But again, I go back to what I said earlier
32:35
Speaker 3: in that don't unders don't underestimate former governors. Right, they're
32:39
Speaker 3: a little bit more in touch with their electorates and
32:42
Speaker 3: they bit they usually have better, slightly.
32:44
Speaker 4: Better political machines.
32:46
Speaker 2: Then that's what I was just going to say.
32:48
Speaker 1: I think they have any have an existing organization that lingers. Yeah, politically,
32:53
Speaker 1: all right, let's make another prediction. By the end of Wednesday,
32:58
Speaker 1: August fifth, is Ohio Congressman Max Miller still on the
33:07
Speaker 1: ballot and the nominee for his Donald Trump, driven him out.
33:11
Speaker 3: I'm I'm trying to figure out what Trump is up to.
33:16
Speaker 3: I think there was momentum to try to push him out,
33:20
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden.
33:21
Speaker 2: He could have closed the deal in this phone call
33:23
Speaker 2: on Monday night.
33:24
Speaker 3: He didn't do it the other way, And now Miller's
33:26
Speaker 3: doubling down. Correct me, when's the deadline at this point
33:30
Speaker 3: for ballot replacement?
33:31
Speaker 1: Five o'clock? I believe it's five.
33:33
Speaker 2: It's in the afternoon Wednesday, August fifth, just.
33:36
Speaker 3: For yeah, so it is, I mean it is in
33:37
Speaker 3: the next it is. It's happening, yes, I you know,
33:42
Speaker 3: like I said, I spent my Sunday looking at you know,
33:44
Speaker 3: getting getting familiar with this process. Assuming it was it
33:49
Speaker 3: kind of not that you know, these things have a way.
33:53
Speaker 3: They're not quite orchestrated, but they're kind of orchestrated, right,
33:56
Speaker 3: Like you get the machinery going, and then it's like
33:59
Speaker 3: Marino fi I think, you know, by the way, I
34:02
Speaker 3: want to.
34:05
Speaker 2: You know why I.
34:05
Speaker 4: Hate social media? Part seven three hundred.
34:08
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's a whole separate podcast.
34:10
Speaker 3: Look, I know that Bernie Marino has is has his
34:17
Speaker 3: own detractors, and certainly the way he behaved with Fauci
34:19
Speaker 3: hearing Is is just not something they even to celebrate.
34:22
Speaker 3: Performance bullshit, very performance crap and all this stuff. Yeah,
34:26
Speaker 3: but you know, people's families are people's families.
34:31
Speaker 1: Your daughter's your daughter, man, your granddaughters, your granddaughter, And
34:34
Speaker 1: there was not presenator or not.
34:36
Speaker 3: There was all this horrible like speculation and rumor mongering
34:39
Speaker 3: and criticism because Marino wasn't saying what he was saying.
34:42
Speaker 3: And our friends at the Atlantic had some sort of
34:48
Speaker 3: unattributed explanations as to you know, from the Marino family
34:52
Speaker 3: and sort of basically saying like they were trying to
34:56
Speaker 3: there there there. You know, he's fearful of his grand
35:00
Speaker 3: their granddaughter in in you know, even spending any time
35:04
Speaker 3: with Meller. He's clearly an explosive figure or there's some
35:08
Speaker 3: fear with him.
35:09
Speaker 2: His track record suggests that's trying to be clear.
35:13
Speaker 1: This women right, and he got arrested for resisting arrest
35:17
Speaker 1: in a bar fight in two thousand and seven.
35:18
Speaker 3: He seems like a figure, Yeah, he's got He seems
35:22
Speaker 3: like a very vulnerable, vulnerable figure. I just sort of think, like,
35:27
Speaker 3: you know, I know, we don't we're not allowed to
35:28
Speaker 3: give anybody grace anymore. I get it, but you know,
35:33
Speaker 3: I think this is sometimes the peron and you know,
35:35
Speaker 3: you kind of sort of I don't you know how
35:39
Speaker 3: you sort of just makes it. You just sort of
35:41
Speaker 3: you think you know the story now, and you're like,
35:43
Speaker 3: did this Max Miller just sort of weasel his way
35:46
Speaker 3: and try to court Bernie Marino's daughter? I know that
35:49
Speaker 3: Bernie Marino would finance his political campaign like it all
35:53
Speaker 3: we don't know is a car dealer, very wealthy, very wealthy,
35:56
Speaker 3: huge dnor to the party over the last few cycles.
35:58
Speaker 3: And it really like that's what this guy looks like.
36:03
Speaker 3: He was trying to scam his way into politics, right,
36:06
Speaker 3: look at you know, he was, you know, finding his
36:10
Speaker 3: way relationship wise into Republican politics, trying to weasel his
36:13
Speaker 3: way into the Trump orbit, trying to he was a.
36:16
Speaker 2: Rubio guy who became a Trump person.
36:18
Speaker 3: And it just.
36:20
Speaker 4: It's a it's.
36:22
Speaker 3: Always even grosser to me when people who are operators
36:25
Speaker 3: use their personal life to continue.
36:26
Speaker 4: Their operator at all.
36:28
Speaker 3: Right, And that's what this wish and and and the
36:31
Speaker 3: whole the whole thing is is gross. This is why
36:34
Speaker 3: nepotism is a bad thing. All this stuff, right, whatever
36:37
Speaker 3: you want, But this guy Miller's just like a pretty
36:40
Speaker 3: low character guy. And it's interesting to me. Eric Erickson's
36:45
Speaker 3: been retweeting people who say, how come Max Miller is
36:48
Speaker 3: not a bigger deal than great Platner or why isn't
36:52
Speaker 3: this being as big of a deal as a Platiner.
36:54
Speaker 3: I think it is starting to take a life of
36:56
Speaker 3: its own. I mean it's which is why this seems
36:58
Speaker 3: like a colossal I can't Yeah, it'd.
37:01
Speaker 2: Be he stays on the ballot, I cannot lose.
37:06
Speaker 3: I think if he stays on the ballot, now yeah,
37:08
Speaker 3: I mean maybe they can't. Maybe he's that volatle right,
37:10
Speaker 3: you know, at the end of the day, you got
37:12
Speaker 3: to get the candidate to cooperate, right.
37:13
Speaker 1: I mean that was always the Platiner thing. It's like
37:15
Speaker 1: he has to remove himself from the ballot. There's no vote,
37:20
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it works, you know, take
37:23
Speaker 1: his hand and go you're si right right, you know,
37:27
Speaker 1: and not how this is going to work. I have
37:29
Speaker 1: two thoughts on what you said. One, uh I I
37:33
Speaker 1: saw uh Bernie Moreno interviewed on Tuesday and he was like, look,
37:39
Speaker 1: I had to pick my granddad daughter up at the
37:42
Speaker 1: police station because I didn't trust to like have an
37:46
Speaker 1: interaction with Max Miller, like outside of that. And now
37:49
Speaker 1: this is courting Bernie Marino, but that Max Miller, who
37:52
Speaker 1: is hurt.
37:52
Speaker 2: This girl's dad kept her.
37:55
Speaker 1: Like stuffed animal and like wouldn't give it back as
37:58
Speaker 1: like a power play. Like man, it's important to remember that, like, yes, Bernie,
38:03
Speaker 1: Bernie Mareno, Emily Moreno, his daughter, and Max Miller are
38:06
Speaker 1: all adults, but there is a kid who is not
38:09
Speaker 1: old two three years ago who was involved in all
38:13
Speaker 1: of this. And it's like it's it's to your point.
38:15
Speaker 1: It's like it's easy to forget. These people aren't just
38:17
Speaker 1: like figures you see on TV.
38:19
Speaker 2: They're like real humans and man like I just and
38:22
Speaker 2: you know, he just made me feel awful.
38:25
Speaker 3: You know who's like sort of exactly, it's Bernie Moreno's
38:28
Speaker 3: daughter and granddaughter that are like they didn't ask for it.
38:31
Speaker 4: Max Miller asked for this. He chose to run for office,
38:34
Speaker 4: He chose.
38:34
Speaker 2: To correct, He put himself in the spotlight.
38:36
Speaker 3: He schemed his way into this. Bernie Marino ran for
38:39
Speaker 3: office and funded this campaign, and he chose to do this.
38:43
Speaker 3: And maybe he did it because he was trying to
38:45
Speaker 3: make his daughter happy. I don't know, right and that
38:47
Speaker 3: you know, look, I would do whatever my daughter. What
38:51
Speaker 3: of course this is what parents do.
38:54
Speaker 4: So I I just.
38:58
Speaker 3: Look, are now our politics are so polarizing, can we
39:02
Speaker 3: just sort of like ache for this woman?
39:05
Speaker 1: It's just awful, right, It's just an awful It's an awful, awful,
39:08
Speaker 1: awful situation. The other thought I had was because I'm
39:22
Speaker 1: with you, I was like, it all, it all is
39:26
Speaker 1: looking like you know, Trump is on Air Force one
39:28
Speaker 1: on Sunday and he says, I'm going to take a
39:29
Speaker 1: look at.
39:30
Speaker 3: Its Trump plus this is a double digit Trump is
39:33
Speaker 3: not ten or eleven.
39:35
Speaker 1: Yes, but they should not lose it. But they will
39:38
Speaker 1: with them, They will with them, and he is. And
39:40
Speaker 1: that's why I wonder That's what I wonder about, is like,
39:44
Speaker 1: so Trump is asked an Air Force one on Sunday,
39:46
Speaker 1: he says, like, I'm going to take a look at it,
39:48
Speaker 1: which is setting up for him to be like you
39:50
Speaker 1: need to get out. He gets on the phone with
39:51
Speaker 1: Miller on Monday and he says it doesn't look good.
39:54
Speaker 2: But is this really like everything about Trump?
39:59
Speaker 3: Well, and like, because what does Trump always do with
40:02
Speaker 3: these allegations when they're denying and insistent?
40:07
Speaker 1: Correct, That's why I think he's not doing it because
40:11
Speaker 1: radically it makes so much sense.
40:13
Speaker 3: Any other type of scandal, Trump would be on board
40:16
Speaker 3: getting rid of him, But he does not accept the
40:18
Speaker 3: premise that accusations of assault are worthy of being forced
40:23
Speaker 3: out because this is a case where about him.
40:26
Speaker 4: God go, that's right.
40:28
Speaker 3: I mean I have to say is that it's shocking
40:31
Speaker 3: the weird consistency he has on this specific topic.
40:34
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and he to your point, he said on Sunday
40:39
Speaker 1: on Air Force One, well, these are just allegations, which
40:42
Speaker 1: is fascinating, right, I mean, it's like it's totally about
40:46
Speaker 1: It was a classic Trump projection.
40:48
Speaker 3: And so here Trump again putting himself before the party.
40:52
Speaker 3: I mean, nobody. I don't know how many times you
40:56
Speaker 3: can say this. And and for those of you just
40:58
Speaker 3: tune in the end and you're like, I don't believe it.
41:00
Speaker 3: Donald Trump does not care about the Republican Party.
41:02
Speaker 2: Not in the least.
41:03
Speaker 3: And not only that, he will love it if the
41:06
Speaker 3: Republican Party loses when he's not in charge. He does
41:10
Speaker 3: not want the Republican Party to succeed when he's not
41:12
Speaker 3: on top.
41:14
Speaker 2: He is so fascinating.
41:15
Speaker 3: I care about the future of the party. He just
41:18
Speaker 3: cares about it only via the prism of how it
41:22
Speaker 3: reflects upon him.
41:23
Speaker 2: Yep, it's so interesting.
41:25
Speaker 3: I was in I was, I don't know how much
41:28
Speaker 3: of his money he's going to spend on this campaign.
41:30
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's why in count I have not bought.
41:35
Speaker 3: You know, there've always been there's this giant It's like, yeah,
41:37
Speaker 3: how much of that money is he willing going to
41:39
Speaker 3: and you know, if he find why did you spend?
41:42
Speaker 3: I didn't tell you you could spend money for Mike Rogers.
41:45
Speaker 3: You know, he's not been sufficiently uh Anti Gordy Howe
41:48
Speaker 3: Bridge enough.
41:49
Speaker 4: I'm just sort of making it up my point.
41:53
Speaker 3: I am not as convinced that all this super Pac
41:55
Speaker 3: money that Trump controls, that he's actually going to spend it.
42:00
Speaker 1: I was talking to a Republican consultant who I will
42:02
Speaker 1: not name because I did not ask if I could,
42:05
Speaker 1: but we both know well and who is not hardcore MAGA,
42:09
Speaker 1: but is definitely a conservative, and he floated this to me.
42:13
Speaker 1: He said, I'm not entirely convinced Donald Trump wants JD.
42:18
Speaker 1: Vance or Marco Rubio to win, or any Republican to
42:22
Speaker 1: win in twenty twenty eight, because it the only reason
42:27
Speaker 1: he would want to is if it reflected poorly on
42:29
Speaker 1: him that they didn't. But it's like your classic situation
42:32
Speaker 1: of like, all right, I have to hire someone to
42:33
Speaker 1: replace me, Let's make sure, like you're subconscious, let's hire
42:38
Speaker 1: someone who's slightly less good than me. Like I would
42:40
Speaker 1: not put that past him, because again, he does.
42:44
Speaker 2: Not care about the Repulican Party one iota.
42:47
Speaker 4: I think the only candidate.
42:51
Speaker 3: Look, I continue I know I'm in the minority here.
42:54
Speaker 2: I know what you're going to say, and I agree
42:56
Speaker 2: with you.
42:56
Speaker 1: Keep going.
42:57
Speaker 3: I continue to believe, especially with how important it is
43:00
Speaker 3: to the financial bottom line of the Trump family, I
43:03
Speaker 3: think somebody with the last name of Trump is running.
43:05
Speaker 1: I totally agree, all right, I totally.
43:07
Speaker 3: And that is that is the only quote other candidate
43:11
Speaker 3: Trump would be willing to go all in for is
43:13
Speaker 3: if they share his last name but bloodline, then it
43:16
Speaker 3: would be about him. Then it is about you know,
43:19
Speaker 3: it's King Donald the first and it's King Donald the second,
43:21
Speaker 3: right like in his own bizarre way. Oh, totally, we
43:25
Speaker 3: assume it's junior. But you know, could be Laura Trump,
43:28
Speaker 3: could be you know, Eric Trump, I'm not rolling out.
43:30
Speaker 4: Could be it.
43:33
Speaker 3: There's somebody who's very prominent in the Democratic Party, and
43:37
Speaker 3: I'll just leave it at that. Again, it was an
43:38
Speaker 3: off the record conversation, very prominent Democratic Party who's convinced
43:44
Speaker 3: that this whole Rubyo Vance thing is a distraction. And
43:48
Speaker 3: when there's a stalemate, it's Avanka and that's he's setting
43:54
Speaker 3: a vodka up, not Junior or Eric. So who knows.
43:57
Speaker 1: So someone pointed this out to me, and I hadn't
43:59
Speaker 1: really noticed it, so I went back to kind of
44:01
Speaker 1: just check.
44:02
Speaker 2: So I followed Don Junior on on.
44:05
Speaker 1: Social media, and he was a you know, constant poster,
44:10
Speaker 1: giant troll.
44:11
Speaker 2: All the time.
44:11
Speaker 1: And they're like, go back to when he gets married
44:14
Speaker 1: ish to Betina Anderson, his second you know, he's now remarried,
44:18
Speaker 1: got married in May.
44:19
Speaker 2: Donald Trump did not attend the wedding.
44:22
Speaker 1: They're like, go and look from then on, and they're like,
44:26
Speaker 1: he definitely has like changed, He's much less engaged with
44:29
Speaker 1: the kind of like day to day combat. And I'm like,
44:31
Speaker 1: oh my god, Like that is exactly what you would
44:33
Speaker 1: do if you wanted to start to type to transition
44:37
Speaker 1: from like frat boy.
44:39
Speaker 3: To a well, you know, if you there there is
44:45
Speaker 3: a there's this, there's a if you follow this sort
44:47
Speaker 3: of that sort of New York Paul Beach gossip world.
44:52
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
44:55
Speaker 1: You know.
44:57
Speaker 3: Somehow the word was that Junior I had decided that
45:02
Speaker 3: that Dad didn't respect Guilfoyle's and that she wasn't the
45:07
Speaker 3: proper she wasn't the right wife, the poor political wife
45:12
Speaker 3: or whatever it was, and so that Junior went out
45:14
Speaker 3: and found somebody who was.
45:16
Speaker 2: More Palm Beach, socialite, old money.
45:20
Speaker 3: What what what Daddy would approve of more as a spouse.
45:24
Speaker 3: Not necessarily, you know, maybe maybe maybe Kimberly gilfil was
45:29
Speaker 3: too politically ambitious for Trump, you know, thinking that that she.
45:32
Speaker 2: Was married to Gavin newsom weirdest political fact in the world.
45:38
Speaker 3: Oh, it's that like beyond the way and talk about
45:42
Speaker 3: a guy's dirty laundry that is everywhere Gavin.
45:46
Speaker 4: Uh you know with the with with Gavin.
45:48
Speaker 3: News, that's with it just did a whole I'm telling you,
45:52
Speaker 3: man that that fair.
45:53
Speaker 2: I think you and I are both less we are.
45:57
Speaker 4: I would take anybody want to give me.
46:02
Speaker 3: I will take anybody's bets about him getting the nomination
46:05
Speaker 3: or being present, are you wyatt? I don't I get
46:07
Speaker 3: another bearish or bullish? I mean, I somebody say to
46:10
Speaker 3: me today or yesterday. How does Gavin Newsom convince the
46:17
Speaker 3: country that that in the largest of the America's fifty states,
46:23
Speaker 3: he took us, he took he took what was a
46:24
Speaker 3: budget surplus and turned it into budget problems, and now
46:28
Speaker 3: you want to give him responsibility for forty one other
46:30
Speaker 3: states that like, you know, the California's fiscal picture is
46:35
Speaker 3: worse than when he was handed the state's keys from
46:38
Speaker 3: Jerry Brown, And like that's the easiest, you know, that's
46:42
Speaker 3: the easiest campaign for somebody to run against him in
46:45
Speaker 3: a general election.
46:46
Speaker 1: Of course, I mean, but not to I mean, my
46:49
Speaker 1: thing about Gavin is forget everything you said, which is
46:51
Speaker 1: one hundred percent right and will be used against him.
46:53
Speaker 1: I just don't know that the Democratic Party is going
46:56
Speaker 1: to nominate another California San Francisco.
47:00
Speaker 2: Oh candidate.
47:01
Speaker 4: I just I don't buy it either.
47:03
Speaker 3: Well, it's also mean, it's so funny right now, and
47:06
Speaker 3: it's like a reminder, you know, I don't know how
47:08
Speaker 3: many presidential primaries we have to have where you there's
47:10
Speaker 3: always one party where you have these candidates who are
47:14
Speaker 3: polling and looking quote unquote like the front runners, and
47:18
Speaker 3: you're like, they're not going to be there. That is
47:20
Speaker 3: a paper tiger candidacy. Right, and Gavin Newsom both look
47:26
Speaker 3: like those candidates to me, I mean.
47:29
Speaker 4: I don't, I don't.
47:30
Speaker 3: I don't want to totally underestimate a former sitting vice president.
47:34
Speaker 2: Well that's the one I was going to ask you about,
47:36
Speaker 2: Chuck is because being more bullrush on her than I have.
47:40
Speaker 1: So are you if you had to choose on Harris's
47:43
Speaker 1: kind of potential, are you more bearish or bullish than
47:46
Speaker 1: kind of conventional wisdom?
47:47
Speaker 4: Do you think, Oh, I'm more bearish?
47:49
Speaker 2: I am?
47:50
Speaker 4: I am?
47:51
Speaker 3: But what if she were thinking, if she were going
47:54
Speaker 3: to if she were preparing to run for president? Why
47:56
Speaker 3: is she living in Malibu?
47:57
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I just did you. Did you
48:01
Speaker 1: see the quote?
48:02
Speaker 2: Chuck? I thought this was so weird it kind of
48:05
Speaker 2: got lost.
48:05
Speaker 1: But she she said, we need to get rid of
48:09
Speaker 1: the electoral College, we need to add Supreme Court justices.
48:12
Speaker 2: I was like, what what.
48:15
Speaker 4: Are you doing here? Well?
48:17
Speaker 3: I don't mean I know what she's doing, right, Like, okay,
48:21
Speaker 3: you know the I will say this, I think, can
48:24
Speaker 3: I just tell you? And this would be a message
48:26
Speaker 3: to my friends on the left who are obsessed with
48:30
Speaker 3: adding Supreme Court seats.
48:32
Speaker 4: I'm like, go win some center races.
48:34
Speaker 2: I know, don't tell me.
48:35
Speaker 3: Adding Supreme Court seats is going to help your help
48:38
Speaker 3: your help your numbers. Like there's this magical thinking here
48:42
Speaker 3: that it's going to help the numbers.
48:43
Speaker 1: It's changing the rules when the rules don't work for you.
48:46
Speaker 1: And that's not a good premise, right. It's what MP's
48:48
Speaker 1: trying to do with the Save America. It's like, you know,
48:51
Speaker 1: it's trying to change the rules because at the trajectory
48:54
Speaker 1: they're going, they can't win under under affair, under under
48:57
Speaker 1: these circumstances. And you know, it's this idea that if
49:02
Speaker 1: your policies can't get a majority support, you know, we
49:07
Speaker 1: have elections that you know, then then then shift your
49:10
Speaker 1: position so that you can get majority support, so that
49:12
Speaker 1: you can get a majority of the Supreme Court.
49:15
Speaker 4: You know.
49:15
Speaker 3: The answer is that, you know, throwing a temper tantrum
49:18
Speaker 3: that there isn't a majority of the country willing to
49:21
Speaker 3: to to elect a progressive majority.
49:25
Speaker 2: I mean, that's my thing.
49:26
Speaker 1: It's like, you want to hold Donald Trump accountable, start
49:28
Speaker 1: winning control of the Chamber right now.
49:30
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just how that's how.
49:31
Speaker 1: Our anyone who proposes like, yeah, see the way we've
49:35
Speaker 1: done things.
49:35
Speaker 2: We got to get rid of that because.
49:37
Speaker 3: Because this idea of a bollis.
49:40
Speaker 2: It's so stupid.
49:41
Speaker 4: It's like, look.
49:43
Speaker 2: I didn't even want to deign that with comment, but yes,
49:45
Speaker 2: go stupid.
49:46
Speaker 4: It's in you know, it's in the constant.
49:47
Speaker 3: Look, I I understand the argument about it, but it
49:49
Speaker 3: was this is not a bug. It was intended to
49:53
Speaker 3: be a correct And you know what the Senate does
49:58
Speaker 3: that has prevented us from having as many up Why
50:02
Speaker 3: we still only have one constitution for the last two
50:04
Speaker 3: hundred and thirty nine years is the Senate prevents us
50:08
Speaker 3: from you know, it's the check and balance on extremism, yep,
50:13
Speaker 3: And you know, yes it is. It's sort of like, look,
50:16
Speaker 3: the country's going to move from time to time and
50:18
Speaker 3: it is going to jerk around, you know, go frustrated left,
50:21
Speaker 3: frustrated right, you know, whatever it is, and the Senate
50:25
Speaker 3: is there as almost this stabilizers the whole point the
50:29
Speaker 3: country from going too far right, and it will yet
50:31
Speaker 3: the country from going too far left. It's literally why
50:34
Speaker 3: is what creators intended correct on that is that they
50:37
Speaker 3: wanted more of a collective. They didn't want to, you know,
50:40
Speaker 3: let one couple of states run rough shot over the others,
50:44
Speaker 3: so create a system to do that. So this gets
50:49
Speaker 3: back to our terrible education system, and we've not you know,
50:53
Speaker 3: it's sort of like explaining why the founders came up
50:56
Speaker 3: what they did and explaining this has been the result,
51:00
Speaker 3: comparing us to basic parliamentary systems or unicameral rules, and
51:04
Speaker 3: you realize, oh, there's a reason where the world's superpower
51:09
Speaker 3: and we've we've had this much stability. We've not had
51:12
Speaker 3: revolutions here in two hundred and fifty years, We've not
51:15
Speaker 3: had multiple constitutions. You know, it is because of the system,
51:20
Speaker 3: the founder's design, that that created this stability.
51:25
Speaker 2: I always say it's the worst except for all the
51:28
Speaker 2: other options. I mean, that's honestly.
51:30
Speaker 3: Let me actually get it. It sucks.
51:32
Speaker 2: It's not you've said many times over it's not. It does.
51:35
Speaker 2: It is not working well for the public. Now. Neither
51:37
Speaker 2: political party in Washington period.
51:40
Speaker 1: We agree on that. But the idea that you throw
51:42
Speaker 1: the baby out with the bathwater and you don't try to.
51:44
Speaker 3: You know, you know, the real issue is is you know,
51:48
Speaker 3: the duopoly is the problem. Yeah, and both parties are
51:51
Speaker 3: blaming the other for it, and that's actually, hey, guys,
51:53
Speaker 3: you know what, you both kind of crash this car.
51:56
Speaker 1: That's when people say to me, like, how can you
51:58
Speaker 1: possibly think that this party? And I'm like, look, man, like,
52:03
Speaker 1: I tend to think both parties suck. Like I think
52:05
Speaker 1: they both of them do a lot of eruption stuff.
52:08
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm rip shit about these bills that that
52:11
Speaker 3: Humor put out because I think this is an important topic.
52:15
Speaker 4: I think it is.
52:16
Speaker 3: It is something that they you know, there are a
52:18
Speaker 3: lot of people upset about this. It's popping up in
52:21
Speaker 3: focus groups.
52:22
Speaker 1: And.
52:24
Speaker 3: It's just so these bills are useless, there's no interest
52:29
Speaker 3: in actually having.
52:30
Speaker 1: They're not meant to actually have a chance of becoming law.
52:34
Speaker 3: No, they're political. They roll out this, They roll out
52:36
Speaker 3: this anti corruption bureau that only targets members of the
52:40
Speaker 3: executive branch, no member of Congress. It's like they don't
52:43
Speaker 3: have an anti corruption agenda to deal with a guy
52:46
Speaker 3: who gets bribed with gold bars for foreign policy decisions.
52:50
Speaker 3: Oh did they not include that because he might have
52:52
Speaker 3: been a member of their own Congress has.
52:54
Speaker 1: Never shown itself to be corrupt. Chuck I don't know
52:56
Speaker 1: what you're about.
52:57
Speaker 3: It is, you know, but the thing is that this
53:00
Speaker 3: is a ripe issue. People are totallysolutely believing the way
53:05
Speaker 3: we address it right, like we should have approached it
53:07
Speaker 3: in an adult serious way and we're not. But do
53:10
Speaker 3: it also in a you know, do your job kind
53:12
Speaker 3: of way. You know, you rolled out of the irony
53:14
Speaker 3: is they roll out this idea, this anti corruption Bureau. Okay,
53:19
Speaker 3: after the Supreme Court essentially gives Trump the green light
53:22
Speaker 3: to fire any independent anybody on an independent agency. And
53:25
Speaker 3: you know what, Chuck Schumer thought it was a good
53:27
Speaker 3: idea to start a new independent agency inside the executive branch. Yeah,
53:30
Speaker 3: and oh and let the president appoint the first seven members.
53:34
Speaker 3: It is. It was sort of like the galactically stupid.
53:37
Speaker 3: It was sort of like, did you did you guys
53:39
Speaker 3: at all? Did you guys at all not pay attention
53:42
Speaker 3: to the Supreme Court rulings? Have you paid any attention here?
53:45
Speaker 3: Get you know, you know what our founders who are
53:48
Speaker 3: founders thought was going to be the anti corruption Bureau. Congress,
53:52
Speaker 3: you know, instead of trying to punt your job, Senate Democrats,
53:57
Speaker 3: why did you do the job and promise voters. But
54:00
Speaker 3: if you get congressional authority back, we're going to do this,
54:03
Speaker 3: do what Congress's job is supposed to do it instead
54:05
Speaker 3: of punting it and hoping that there's an independent FBC
54:08
Speaker 3: or an that is going to solve your problem moving
54:11
Speaker 3: in the your job. But these guys never want to
54:14
Speaker 3: hold their own party accountable.
54:15
Speaker 2: And that's no problem. I think we should end. I'd
54:18
Speaker 2: like to end on a good Chuck Todd rant, so
54:20
Speaker 2: let's end on that. It's yeah, I like a good
54:22
Speaker 2: Chuck Todd rant.
54:23
Speaker 3: I have a lot to say about these damn natz trades, man, don't.
54:27
Speaker 1: We're gonna do that separately. We don't want to end
54:29
Speaker 1: on negativity checks. It's not such a bummer it is.
54:32
Speaker 1: It's you know what I'm gonna write about this. But
54:34
Speaker 1: my younger son, who is now fourteen, and I and
54:37
Speaker 1: I know you have this relationship with your your son,
54:40
Speaker 1: he's gotten He's always played baseball and really liked baseball,
54:43
Speaker 1: but this year, this season, as they've been pretty good,
54:47
Speaker 1: he's gotten real into it. And we'll like watch every
54:49
Speaker 1: game together and stuff, and I'm like, he'll watch he'll
54:52
Speaker 1: sit down and watch the game with me and I'm
54:54
Speaker 1: a little bummed out because I think we're not going
54:56
Speaker 1: to be as competitive in the last three season.
54:59
Speaker 4: We can't score and that's.
55:01
Speaker 1: Gonna be hard, because, like it was, that's one thing
55:03
Speaker 1: that's great about baseball.
55:04
Speaker 2: It's literally almost every night, and so we spend a
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Speaker 2: little time together.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 3: Look, our friend Tony Corneiser talks about our group chat
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Speaker 3: on his podcast.
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Speaker 4: I know, yes, about our group chat too.
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Speaker 2: Much, giving him relentless content.
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Speaker 4: But I really ache for Tony.
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Speaker 3: Tony is genuinely I was telling this to my wife
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Speaker 3: and I was telling this to Harrison. Tony is like
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Speaker 3: really gutted by this totally. He is so like just
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Speaker 3: it's not like anger either. It's like we had this
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Speaker 3: good thing going and you guys just decided because you're
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Speaker 3: worried about with what the team might look like in
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty nine, that you thought, let's not bother to
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Speaker 3: stay competitive now.
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Speaker 4: And you know what, He's got a point, you.
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Speaker 2: Know, at some point always.
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Speaker 3: You know, I get it. The great franchisers are always
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Speaker 3: thinking about the future. No, the great franchises try to
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Speaker 3: win now and win in the future.
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Speaker 1: Who did the Dodgers trade for the single best picture
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Speaker 1: the Dodgers probably are the World Series favorites without well
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Speaker 1: Eric scoubl.
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Speaker 3: But they definitely aren't. Now, you know, there's a part
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Speaker 3: of me that, you know, who the happiest camper is
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Speaker 3: that that the Dodgers got to reak schooble. The Commissioner
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Speaker 3: of Baseball, Rob Manfred, who wants to.
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Speaker 1: Right because of that shut the coming shut down.
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Speaker 3: The fans who many times take the side of the
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Speaker 3: players in these owners disputes because we all almost a
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Speaker 3: millionaires versus billionaires. Well you know we're going to millionaires, right, Yeah,
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Speaker 3: But the salary cap thing. Baseball fans are pissed about.
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Speaker 3: The schoolbl to the Dodgers.
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Speaker 1: I think if the Dodgers win three in a row
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Speaker 1: and it's competitive, I think it's yeah.
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Speaker 3: So what you're saying is that you can't.
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Speaker 2: Work for the Dodger umps.
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Speaker 3: No, the umps are. You know, every every close call
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Speaker 3: is going to the Dodgers during the playoffs, exactly because
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Speaker 3: Rob Manfred wants.
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Speaker 2: His salary cap.
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