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Credlin | 8 July · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 2: tonight on Kredline. Any wonder those anti Israel thugs had
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Speaker 2: free reign on Friday night in Melbourne. Revelations today that
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Speaker 2: Victoria police were under orders not to confront protesters. A
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Speaker 2: former vic Pohl detective will join me and try and
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Speaker 2: explain what the heck's going on in Victoria. Bad news
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Speaker 2: too for Chris Bow and fresh data out today is
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Speaker 2: showing his climate targets are slipping, but that doesn't stop
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Speaker 2: him spending billions millions of dollars sending one hundred bureaucrats
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Speaker 2: to yet another climate talk fest. Last Tony Abbot's in Melbourne.
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Speaker 2: He joins me at the desk he spent the day
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Speaker 2: at that synagogue at East Melbourne was five bombed on
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Speaker 2: Friday night. Now while he's here, I'm asking what does
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Speaker 2: he recommend to help labor fix the problem with the
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Speaker 2: US relationship? And the Reserve Bank's done nearly everyone today
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Speaker 2: with its decision to leave the cash rate on. Expert
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Speaker 2: analysis coming up and what the decision means for those
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Speaker 2: hoping for a bit of mortgage relief, but also our
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Speaker 2: economy more generally that.
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Speaker 3: We don't want to end up having to fight inflation again.
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Speaker 3: We want to make sure we've nailed it.
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Speaker 2: But first the evidence is mounting all the time. The
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Speaker 2: obinezy government will not achieve its ambitious emissions reduction targets,
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Speaker 2: but it will effectively de industrialize Australia. Today's Financial Review
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Speaker 2: reports that Labour's current target, which is to cut emissions
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Speaker 2: by forty three percent twenty thirty via an eighty two
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Speaker 2: percent renewable energy target within just five years, is increasingly unlikely.
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Speaker 2: And this is because the wholesale replacement of coal fired
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Speaker 2: power with wind and solar is simply not happening at
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Speaker 2: anything like the required speed. And that's because the economics
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Speaker 2: of it are all dodgy, and people are waking up
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Speaker 2: to the environmental damage it comes with wind turbine in
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Speaker 2: our oceans and national parks, and the land degradation that
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Speaker 2: these big, massive solar farms bring. But what is happening
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Speaker 2: here is the continued skyrocketing cost of power, with increasingly
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Speaker 2: desperate cries for help from the industries which can't survive
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Speaker 2: without the sort of cheap and reliable electricity that Australia
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Speaker 2: was once renowned for the world over. Indeed, part of
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Speaker 2: the reason our country has been so prosperous to date
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Speaker 2: is that where we couldn't compete with Asia odd wages,
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Speaker 2: we certainly could compete when it came to the input
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Speaker 2: cost of energy, because we're rich in natural resources in
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Speaker 2: a way that so many countries to our north are
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Speaker 2: not not anymore. We're now both a high wage economy
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Speaker 2: and a high energy cost one as well, and that's
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Speaker 2: why ur iconic Australian heavy industries steel at Wiela, Olminium
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Speaker 2: a tom Ago plus smelting at Mount aer Porpirian Hobart
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Speaker 2: simply won't survive with power prices at current levels. And
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Speaker 2: all of these industry players are currently in negotiation with
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Speaker 2: state and federal governments over the subsidies needed to keep
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Speaker 2: them afloat and to keep heavy manufacturing and jobs alive
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Speaker 2: in this country. But much better than hitting up taxpayers
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Speaker 2: to subsidize these industries would be the removal of the
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Speaker 2: policies that are making them unviable in the first place.
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Speaker 2: As I said, these industries only came to Australia because
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Speaker 2: of an abundance of cheap and reliable colified power that
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Speaker 2: made them profitable despite our high wages, our small domestic market,
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Speaker 2: and of course the tyranny of distance. As the fin
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Speaker 2: reports today, fifty three percent of Australia's electricity it's still
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Speaker 2: generated by coal, but that's supposed to fall under labour
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Speaker 2: to just ten percent within five years. But nothing like
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Speaker 2: the required build of new wind and solar is taking
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Speaker 2: its place. The other big problem is the pushback from
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Speaker 2: regional communities, from farmers in particular over the thousands and
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Speaker 2: thousands of kilometers of transmission lines that yet to be
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Speaker 2: built to carry this new power from the paddock to
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Speaker 2: the city. Now, our farmers don't want their land ripped up.
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Speaker 2: Australians who want to eat food grown here they don't
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Speaker 2: want that either, and tax fires justifiably demand the government
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Speaker 2: explains how we pay for all these mad green schemes,
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Speaker 2: but away over budget and way behind schedule. And that's
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Speaker 2: before we even get to the backup generation, mostly gas
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Speaker 2: that's required to keep the lights on when we don't
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Speaker 2: have the wind.
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Speaker 4: And the sun doesn't shine.
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Speaker 2: Because intermittent power that's cheap wins here has destroyed the
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Speaker 2: economics of power that's on twenty four to seven, and
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Speaker 2: that's meant there's been no new investment for years in
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Speaker 2: colified power, which remains by far the cheapest form of
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Speaker 2: base load power in this country. And the tragedy here
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Speaker 2: for anyone who wants a straight or amount of country that.
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Speaker 4: Makes things, farms things.
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Speaker 2: And is prosperous as a result, is that there's no
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Speaker 2: hope that labor will change any of this state or
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Speaker 2: federal which is why our energy policy is such a
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Speaker 2: slow motion train wreck. And for what ask yourself that
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Speaker 2: when it comes to emissions, whe less than one percent
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Speaker 2: of the global problem, and we're bankrupting ourselves and sending
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Speaker 2: jobs off shore because no one's willing to confess this
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Speaker 2: net zero emperor has no clothes. I mean, can you
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Speaker 2: believe what's been revealed today? The taxpayers were forced to
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Speaker 2: spend some one point five million dollars to fly seventy
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Speaker 2: five public servants to last year's UN climate talkfest in Azerbajan.
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Speaker 4: What a shocking waste of your money. Now, sure I've
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Speaker 4: worked on.
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Speaker 2: These conferences before, maybe send two or three public servants,
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Speaker 2: but seventy five. What possible benefit could there be in
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Speaker 2: sending seventy five bureaucrats to a global conference or flying there.
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Speaker 4: I might add adding.
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Speaker 2: Two emissions, but it's still as I say, not as
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Speaker 2: I do. It's no wonder our systems incapable of coming
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Speaker 2: up with smart policy that means officials not only bucking
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Speaker 2: the party line, but getting themselves off their gravy train.
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Speaker 2: If it really was necessary for Australia to be represented
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Speaker 2: at this conference, or send a minister, one or two
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Speaker 2: senior public servants and one media staffer, but seventy five
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Speaker 2: officials at a conference the PM didn't think was good
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Speaker 2: enough to attend himself.
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Speaker 4: Well that's outrageous.
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Speaker 2: Well you know parltical parties are in trouble when they
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Speaker 2: keep clutching at straws. As you've heard me say before.
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Speaker 2: The senior left wing liberals now advocating for quotas for
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Speaker 2: female candidates, Well that's Labour's policy. They'd rather copy their
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Speaker 2: opponents and come up with a principal way to take
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Speaker 2: women seriously. The later side of desperations from New South
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Speaker 2: Wales liberals, and this is from the front bench of
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Speaker 2: Julian Lisa, who's arguing his state branch should embrace US
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Speaker 2: style primaries. In order to select new candidates. Now, Lisa's
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Speaker 2: idea at the general public, so not just liberal party members,
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Speaker 2: that the general public tells the party who their candidates
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Speaker 2: should be, and that this would somehow produce he reckons,
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Speaker 2: candidates who better reflect.
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Speaker 4: The wider community.
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Speaker 2: Right, sure, but it's not going to produce candidates, is it,
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Speaker 2: who are instinctively liberal? I mean, this is a stupid idea.
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Speaker 2: The whole reason people join a political party is to
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Speaker 2: have a saying policy sure, and have a saying who
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Speaker 2: represents them and their values. So why outsource that to
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Speaker 2: people who also vote green and labor and teel and independent.
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Speaker 2: I mean, what's the point of a political party that
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Speaker 2: doesn't trust itself to pick its own candidates because it's
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Speaker 2: totally lost faith in its supposed convictions.
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Speaker 4: I don't get it.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Lisa's idea is not even a particularly accurate
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Speaker 2: version of the American system over there. In most states,
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Speaker 2: voters have to be a registered Democrat or a registered
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Speaker 2: Republican before they participate in their party's primary. They're at
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Speaker 2: least people are picking in the candidate that broadly supports
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Speaker 2: their values in the party. But Lisa's ideas nuts. He
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Speaker 2: reckons that the opponents of the Liberal Party get us say,
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Speaker 2: and who becomes a Liberal candidate? Can you imagine Labor
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Speaker 2: letting a Liberal choose their candidate win?
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Speaker 4: No way, is it any.
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Speaker 2: Wonder Lisa and others in the opposition are not in
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Speaker 2: government lost the way they lost. If this is their
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Speaker 2: idea to rebuild the liberals, how about supporting more democracies
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Speaker 2: for signed up Liberal Party members right now? Gee, that'd
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Speaker 2: be nice in New South Wales. Less of the factional
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Speaker 2: string pulling, because internal democracies what's lacking in New South
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Speaker 2: Wales and what's needed desperately if the party is ever
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Speaker 2: going to produce the strong, truly liberal candidates that they
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Speaker 2: need to win at the next election. Now, honestly, this
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Speaker 2: stuff is now mainstream liberal thinking, and I reckon the
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Speaker 2: party really does face an existential crisis. Never forget the
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Speaker 2: electoral reality. Labor light liberals lose.
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Speaker 4: Goodness me.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's go to camn out the Headlines' go
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Speaker 2: and use a political reporter, Camredden Good evening.
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Speaker 5: In a move that shocked the market and surprised the government,
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Speaker 5: the Reserve Bank has kept interest rates on hold.
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Speaker 3: We don't want to end up having to fight inflation again.
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Speaker 6: I don't second guest decisions taken independently by the Bank
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Speaker 6: or its board.
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Speaker 5: But a third of its own members did. Publishing voting
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Speaker 5: outcomes for the first time. Three members of the Reserve
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Speaker 5: Bank voted to cut rates two three point six percent,
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Speaker 5: while six voted to hold. Shouldn't Australians know who is
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Speaker 5: arguing for them to have lower mortgages and where the
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Speaker 5: governor sits on that.
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Speaker 7: I think this is an appropriate level of transparency.
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Speaker 5: A new report from the Productivity Commission has found Australia
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Speaker 5: could be better off overall under Donald Trump's package of tariffs.
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Speaker 1: The outlook around the global economy and the issue related
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Speaker 1: to tariffs isn't as bad as what the Reserve Bank
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Speaker 1: was sort of suggesting six weeks ago.
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Speaker 8: The tariffs lower than ten percent.
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Speaker 5: No, the Opposition leader has visited an East Melbourne synagogue
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Speaker 5: which was targeted in an arson attack at the weekend.
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Speaker 9: The rising tide of anti Semitism in this country has
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Speaker 9: reached an unacceptable level.
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Speaker 5: Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's bring him my pad on that to
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Speaker 2: get across that and a whole lot of other issues,
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Speaker 2: joining me now the host of the Power Out the
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Speaker 2: Wonderful Skynies Gab Power and columnists with the Spectator, Tarry Barnes,
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Speaker 2: Welcome to you both.
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Speaker 4: Well.
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Speaker 2: I have to say, finally we saw the PM today
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Speaker 2: front the media and take on those questions in relation
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Speaker 2: to why there's been all this talk but no action
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Speaker 2: on anti Semitism after a horror weekend yet again in Melbourne,
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Speaker 2: and rather than respond to the fifteen point practical plan
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Speaker 2: for this Executive Council of Australian Jury, the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: instead insisted we've got an envoy.
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Speaker 4: That's enough.
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Speaker 10: What we're doing is working with the Special Envoy on
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Speaker 10: any Semitism and we'll have more to say.
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Speaker 7: About that incoming days.
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Speaker 10: But of course we have responded substantially.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Gab, I mean, these Jewish organizations say they
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Speaker 2: want practical change, they're sick of the talk.
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Speaker 4: They should be listened.
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Speaker 11: To absolutely, I mean, what an insulting response. It's so
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Speaker 11: disappointing to hear that response from the Prime Minister, but
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Speaker 11: not at all surprising. I mean, look at his actions.
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Speaker 11: He hasn't visited the synagogue over the weekend, he didn't
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Speaker 11: bother holding a press conference and now he's defending his
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Speaker 11: track record and dismissing calls from the Jewish community to
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Speaker 11: implement this fifteen point plan. Now, this fifteen point plan
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Speaker 11: is a thoughtful one. It's one that would actually make
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Speaker 11: a meaningful impact in reducing antisemit and Peter, we're coming
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Speaker 11: up to nearly two years since October seven, twenty twenty three,
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Speaker 11: and in that time right here in Australia, there has
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Speaker 11: just been such a dramatic rise of horrific, horrific anti
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Speaker 11: Semitic incidents and I just don't know how many more
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Speaker 11: we need to see for the Prime Minister to do more.
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Speaker 11: I mean, we've seen childcare centers being targeted, We've seen
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Speaker 11: Jewish Australians being targeted, and right now members of the
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Speaker 11: Jewish community wondering and asking whether Australia is a safe
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Speaker 11: place for them.
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Speaker 4: I mean, can they.
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Speaker 11: Go to their place of worship without it being attacked.
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Speaker 11: This is multiple attacks now on synagogues. It is absolutely heartbreaking.
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Speaker 11: It's devastating for the Jewish community and it's just so
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Speaker 11: disappointing that we have Anthony Albanesi in a position of
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Speaker 11: leadership where he has the option to really take the
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Speaker 11: Jewish community seriously and act, and he's failing to do
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Speaker 11: that once again. So unfortunately no surprises are hearing his
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Speaker 11: response today.
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Speaker 2: You make the point that Prime Minister has not been
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Speaker 2: to Melbourne to the synagogue. I note that the opposition
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Speaker 2: to Leader Susan Lee was there today. She went to
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Speaker 2: the East Melbourne Synagogue and she pushed hard for calls
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Speaker 2: and joined the support for National Cabinet to sit tabolism.
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Speaker 9: There are issues around this which require the policing authorities
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Speaker 9: across the different states to come together so we don't
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Speaker 9: have failures of laws and law enforcement.
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Speaker 4: And we've also got.
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Speaker 9: Issues that we have separately identified in a childcare center
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Speaker 9: in Melbourne. So the Prime Minister should be looking at
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Speaker 9: national cabinets on a regular basis.
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Speaker 2: Yes now, I wasn't that long ago the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: couldn't get out of bed without calling a meetian national cabinet,
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Speaker 2: and now when it should sit, he's refusing to hold
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Speaker 2: a meeting. I'll tell you what terry that admission yesterday
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Speaker 2: from the Victorian Premier that despite everything happening on Friday
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Speaker 2: and Saturday and again on Sunday, by Monday she had
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Speaker 2: still not had a conversation with the Prime minister just.
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Speaker 8: Beggars belief, doesn't it. Peter, And look, I'm ashamed to
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Speaker 8: actually be a Melbourne and I don't know about you,
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Speaker 8: but this is now the anti Semitic capital of the
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Speaker 8: Western world.
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Speaker 4: It is awful.
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Speaker 8: And we've got to Cindra Allen, the Victorian Premier and
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Speaker 8: the Prime Minister. Basically every time something happens, it's the
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Speaker 8: same platitudes rolled out again and again, but yet nothing
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Speaker 8: is happening. Oh, task forces, that's wonderful. Oh yeah, talk talk,
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Speaker 8: talk talk, but no action. And particularly if the police
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Speaker 8: are being pulled back from intervening in situations such as
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Speaker 8: the Mizdon restaurant on Friday evening. I mean there is
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Speaker 8: a real problem there. What the Executive Councilor of Australian
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Speaker 8: Jury's fifteen point plan talks about, amongst other things, is
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Speaker 8: getting national coordination national consistency in relation to anti semitism
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Speaker 8: and racism and terror incidents. And why the Prime Minister
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Speaker 8: thinks that he can't say that's a good idea, call
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Speaker 8: national cabinet together, I do not know. And as for Victoria,
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Speaker 8: I would like to actually see the Victorian opposition take
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Speaker 8: some leadership here, because I think we need to have
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Speaker 8: a bipartisan response to this and show some real initiatives
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Speaker 8: and some real force in responding to incident and outrage
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Speaker 8: after outrage.
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Speaker 2: That's got a couple of other issues, and I touched
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Speaker 2: on here, the climb and targets. I mentioned them at
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Speaker 2: the top of the show. Financial review says we're not
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Speaker 2: going to meet them. We're only growing our renewable power
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Speaker 2: generation about half the rate needed to meet this twenty
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Speaker 2: thirty target gap.
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Speaker 4: But it's also worth.
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Speaker 2: Noting that more than half of our electricity right now
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Speaker 2: in this country still comes from coal.
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Speaker 11: That's right, around fifty three percent of the nation's electricity
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Speaker 11: is still coming from coal. So at this point it
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Speaker 11: is very hard to see how LABOR is going to
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Speaker 11: meet its twenty thirty emissions reduction target. We know with
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Speaker 11: this new analysis that renewable energy has grown at half
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Speaker 11: the rate required to meet Labour's target, and so for
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Speaker 11: Labor to meet its target, it will need to triple
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Speaker 11: the rate of decline in coal power. So here we
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Speaker 11: are halfway through twenty twenty five. We're relying more on
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Speaker 11: coal and less on renewables than expected, and part of
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Speaker 11: the Paris Climate Agreement, Australia has agreed to release around
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Speaker 11: four thousand million tons of carbon between twenty twenty one
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Speaker 11: and twenty thirty, so we're essentially eating into that budget.
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Speaker 11: We are not at all on track. We're well behind,
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Speaker 11: and ultimately we need some transparency from the government here
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Speaker 11: and some honesty that we're not going to be reaching
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Speaker 11: this target. And Peter, this comes as Australian so forking
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Speaker 11: out more for their energy bills during a cost of
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Speaker 11: living crisis.
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Speaker 2: But last night I was pretty tough on Paul cam
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Speaker 2: Redd and over this suggestion by the Chinese that AI
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Speaker 2: artificial intelligence should be on the table and trade negotiations.
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Speaker 2: They want to enter our systems in Australia. I think
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Speaker 2: it would be crazy to let that happen. But I'm
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Speaker 2: not the only one. Here's David little Proud.
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Speaker 12: You look at what's happened with soul panels and batteries.
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Speaker 12: If we do that with AI with China, that has
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Speaker 12: potentially the capacity to lock us in even closer and
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Speaker 12: to rely even more on Chinese supply chains.
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Speaker 4: I'll tell you what, terry.
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Speaker 2: There were all these clowns that said Huawei should be
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Speaker 2: the underpinning of our five G network. But we're all
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Speaker 2: happy that didn't happen now, but this is the new
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Speaker 2: battlefront now. Prime Minister's on his way to Beijing. He
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Speaker 2: loves to bow and scrape with the Chinese. I hope
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Speaker 2: we don't go down this path.
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Speaker 8: I certainly don't hope your cowtowns on this one, actually, Peter,
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Speaker 8: because I really do think that, as you say, artificial
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Speaker 8: intelligence is the next battlefront. I mean, the hostile powers
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Speaker 8: or potentially hostile powers to know how to use AI
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Speaker 8: can actually potentially destroy economies, destroy communications.
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Speaker 7: To destroy armed forces.
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Speaker 4: We just can't risk this.
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Speaker 8: And in terms of the Chinese wanting to put digital
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Speaker 8: technology on the table terms of trade talks, I mean
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Speaker 8: it's basically trying to overturn decisions like Huawei and ensuring
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Speaker 8: that Chinese have an end to our communications networks, I mean,
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Speaker 8: now vital communications networks. We're talking about national security. I
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Speaker 8: think the Prime Minister has really got to actually show
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Speaker 8: a bit of well bit of backbone here and actually
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Speaker 8: stand up to Jijiping and actually say very forcefully it's
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Speaker 8: staying to the Americans that but out of our defense spending,
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Speaker 8: Defen's decision making butt out China out of our communications
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Speaker 8: decision making and stay away from Australia's communications network, and.
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Speaker 2: I think we've got a resilient cyber system here in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Listen to this report from the Order to General in
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Speaker 2: New South Wales and says the lesson two thirds of
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Speaker 2: the government departments there they don't even have the basic
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Speaker 2: and mandatory, so they're not even meeting the requirements in
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Speaker 2: terms of cyber protection. The Premiere was pushed about this.
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Speaker 4: Let's have a listen.
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Speaker 13: Look, it is a concern. I'm going to be honest.
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Speaker 13: I would like to see meet all the criteria immediately
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Speaker 13: that the Order to General identify it. That's not possible though.
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Speaker 13: I mean most of the funding for cybersecurity in New
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Speaker 13: South Wales had been cut or put on a funding
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Speaker 13: cliff by the previous government.
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Speaker 2: I mean, come on, mate, two thirds behind this is
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Speaker 2: not a little bit here. You're two thirds behind your
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Speaker 2: manitary requirements. And I'm sick of the excuses. I mean,
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Speaker 2: it is just not good enough. When you think of
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Speaker 2: all of our private information that government makes us give them.
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Speaker 4: It's all at.
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Speaker 11: Risk, absolutely all that information, all that sensitive private information.
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Speaker 4: But I'm just as.
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Speaker 11: Shocked as you are about this, and I'm just as
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Speaker 11: shocked to hear that response from the premiere. I mean,
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Speaker 11: what country are we living in and what decade are
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Speaker 11: we living in? This report is absolutely shocking. Around seventy
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Speaker 11: percent of New South Wales government agencies do not have
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Speaker 11: the basic protection. So we're not talking about the most
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Speaker 11: sophisticated protections here.
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Speaker 4: These are just the.
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Speaker 11: Most basic ones, and let's look into it. Most department
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Speaker 11: and government agencies are operating on computer systems from two
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Speaker 11: thousand and eight and would have no idea if they
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Speaker 11: had been breached. And learning about this as cyber attacks
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Speaker 11: are on the rise, as hackers are carrying out more
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Speaker 11: sophisticated attacks. This of course comes after Quantas had its
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Speaker 11: cyber attack last week with six million customers compromised. But
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Speaker 11: any organization that wants to take itself seriously is putting
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Speaker 11: cybersecurity as a top priority. And you would hope that
20:19
Speaker 11: the state government would be doing the same thing.
20:23
Speaker 2: Tea what two thousand and eight, that's the day of
20:25
Speaker 2: the BlackBerry back then. I mean, this is crazy that
20:28
Speaker 2: we're that far behind Terry. Just before we go a
20:31
Speaker 2: lot of poles around about Victoria some of them have
20:34
Speaker 2: got Brad Batten opposition leader headers preferred premier. The Libs
20:38
Speaker 2: are languishing. This one's interesting though. This is about the
20:41
Speaker 2: Suburban Rail League Carli controversially in Victoria. The Pole today
20:45
Speaker 2: says that fifty nine percent of Victorians so they either
20:47
Speaker 2: strongly supported or somewhat support it. But you dig a
20:51
Speaker 2: bit deeper, seventy eight percent, So almost eighty percent of
20:54
Speaker 2: people say, geez, we're worried about the state debt in Victoria.
20:57
Speaker 2: When you consider this project is around two hundred billion dollars,
21:02
Speaker 2: it makes me pretty skeptical about the polling.
21:05
Speaker 8: Well, I think a lot of people don't actually understand
21:08
Speaker 8: the complexities move and rail. If it sounds good, it
21:10
Speaker 8: sounds sexy, but really, when it comes down to it,
21:14
Speaker 8: we can't afford anything like it. And given that the
21:17
Speaker 8: cost seems to go up and up and up every
21:19
Speaker 8: ten minutes in terms of estimates, I mean that enough
21:22
Speaker 8: said look today I took my six year old too
21:26
Speaker 8: the Science Works Museum down here in Melbourne and we
21:28
Speaker 8: went through the gift shop and she wanted to buy everything,
21:31
Speaker 8: everything with a price tag that now fifty sixty dollars.
21:34
Speaker 8: I said, look, I don't have that kind of money.
21:37
Speaker 8: We can't afford to do this. This is exactly what
21:39
Speaker 8: a responsible debt minded government needs to do, not just Victorians,
21:45
Speaker 8: but with Australians in general. I think explain to them
21:47
Speaker 8: that you can only have so much, that free stuff
21:50
Speaker 8: actually has a price, because I think many voters simply
21:53
Speaker 8: aren't getting it.
21:54
Speaker 2: I think a lot of my viewers agree with you
21:56
Speaker 2: that the Labor Party in Victoria is like a greedy.
21:58
Speaker 4: Little six year old leiave that there. Thank you both.
22:01
Speaker 2: Now to the RBA decision that's shocked almost everyone today
22:05
Speaker 2: when that outsaid leave the cash rate on hold at
22:07
Speaker 2: three point eighty five percent and joined me in our
22:09
Speaker 2: Judo Bank's chief economist Warren Hogan. Well, first off, forgot
22:12
Speaker 2: to ask you, why were you one of those in
22:14
Speaker 2: the shocked camp or the expected camp? And what do
22:17
Speaker 2: you think drove today's decision?
22:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, good evening, Peter. It's I think surprised is the
22:23
Speaker 1: characterization for me, certainly not shocked and somewhat pleased because
22:28
Speaker 1: this is our central bank doing its job, that is
22:30
Speaker 1: standing up to the mob, taking the long view and
22:35
Speaker 1: doing things that occasionally are unpopular. I've been critical that
22:38
Speaker 1: they haven't done enough of that in the last few years, and.
22:41
Speaker 7: It's good to see it.
22:42
Speaker 1: But it did surprise everyone, especially given how much concern
22:45
Speaker 1: they showed at their last meeting in May, particularly in
22:48
Speaker 1: relation to the tariffs and what they were going to
22:50
Speaker 1: do to the economy down the track. It's a more
22:53
Speaker 1: settled sort of view there given giving us, and I
22:57
Speaker 1: think that's good for our community.
23:00
Speaker 2: Yeah. I've got to tell you, the more I hear
23:02
Speaker 2: from the RBA Governor Mishoe a lot more. I like
23:04
Speaker 2: her tone, I like the way she pulls apart some
23:08
Speaker 2: of the decision making. She made it clear today that
23:10
Speaker 2: the board was split on this decision. Six were in favor,
23:13
Speaker 2: three were against. Here's her explanation for the split.
23:18
Speaker 3: The difference between the two camps really was down to
23:23
Speaker 3: slightly softer reading those who wanted to cut a slightly
23:26
Speaker 3: softer reading of the data than those that wanted to
23:29
Speaker 3: hold just for the time being, and also a little
23:32
Speaker 3: bit more concern about the downside risks, particularly on the
23:36
Speaker 3: international side, for those people who wanted to ease.
23:42
Speaker 4: How to find her remarks after.
23:44
Speaker 1: The decision, Yeah, well, I agree with you that she's
23:48
Speaker 1: doing a great job and no nonsense, it's exactly what
23:52
Speaker 1: we need in this role. But I think what we're
23:54
Speaker 1: seeing in front of us right now is this new
23:56
Speaker 1: operating model of these reforms, so called reforms to the
23:59
Speaker 1: RBA in action, and of course we're feeling our way.
24:02
Speaker 1: We're learning as we go, both us as outside is
24:05
Speaker 1: looking in and the RBA trying to do it more.
24:08
Speaker 1: Transparency is a difficult thing, particularly in a country like Australia,
24:13
Speaker 1: where there is so much focus on what interest rates
24:15
Speaker 1: are doing. Because we have all this household debt, they're
24:18
Speaker 1: all at variable mortgage rates, and no other country in
24:20
Speaker 1: the world has the kind of intense focus on their
24:23
Speaker 1: central bank and interest rates like we do.
24:25
Speaker 7: So look, I'm a.
24:27
Speaker 1: Little bit concerned that it's a bit clumsy, but at
24:31
Speaker 1: the moment, I think the governor is doing a great job.
24:35
Speaker 1: And I'm worried about this vote. They just said six
24:39
Speaker 1: favor three against. They didn't even tell us what they
24:42
Speaker 1: would have done otherwise. They rate hikes, right cuts and
24:45
Speaker 1: presumably rate cuts, And of course the lack of a
24:48
Speaker 1: tribute attribution worries me because you sort of can't be
24:52
Speaker 1: halfway there with transparency. I understand why they don't want
24:56
Speaker 1: to a tribute, but it also leaves a lot of
24:59
Speaker 1: unanswered question for everyone to think about. I'm not convinced
25:02
Speaker 1: the votes being revealed is a good thing, but what
25:04
Speaker 1: it's telling us is that they were close to cutting
25:07
Speaker 1: they just didn't do it this month, and that's a
25:08
Speaker 1: signal they're probably going to do it next time.
25:12
Speaker 4: Look, I'm with you on the votes.
25:14
Speaker 2: I mean, I think the whole point of something like
25:17
Speaker 2: cabinet solidarity is whether you were for or against the decision,
25:21
Speaker 2: you're bound by whatever comes out of the room. And
25:23
Speaker 2: no one knows where anyone was, or publicly knows where
25:26
Speaker 2: anyone was. Reently, you can get a gist of it
25:28
Speaker 2: in the room from colleagues, but here we've got, you know,
25:32
Speaker 2: I think one of the most important decisions that gets
25:34
Speaker 2: made on a monthly basis in this country, given how
25:36
Speaker 2: indebted we are in terms of housing costs, And yet
25:39
Speaker 2: you've got it's neither fish nor foul.
25:41
Speaker 8: Right.
25:41
Speaker 4: You've got the idea that.
25:42
Speaker 2: There's a split, but you don't know where the split's
25:44
Speaker 2: coming from, all the reasons for the split. She did
25:47
Speaker 2: a bit of an attempt there to explain it. I
25:49
Speaker 2: think this is where I'm not very comfortable with the
25:53
Speaker 2: Treasurer's changes, but we'll see what happens. Talk to me
25:55
Speaker 2: about the Donald Trump taff's two parts here. He's hit
25:58
Speaker 2: a whole lot of other countries today, Japan, South Korea, Malaysia,
26:01
Speaker 2: others at fourteen all up with a twenty five percent
26:05
Speaker 2: tariff hike or sorry rate, it's not a hike. Everyone
26:09
Speaker 2: else gets to the first of August to try and
26:12
Speaker 2: get a deal. We'd be lucky if we get at
26:15
Speaker 2: a meeting by the first of August.
26:18
Speaker 4: The PM today.
26:19
Speaker 2: Was asked about a special carve out for Australia.
26:22
Speaker 4: Here's what he had to say.
26:24
Speaker 10: No country has a better deal than Australia. Now, we'll
26:28
Speaker 10: continue to put our case that tariffs are an active
26:33
Speaker 10: economic self harm and that we should be entitled to
26:38
Speaker 10: reciprocal tariff, which is zero.
26:42
Speaker 2: It seems like he's given up right. He's sort of
26:44
Speaker 2: saying we've got a terrific outcome. Anyway, no one's got
26:46
Speaker 2: a better deal than us because it can't get a meeting.
26:49
Speaker 4: Warren as this ship sailed.
26:53
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean the ship now we can't report
26:56
Speaker 1: and look, the reality is we are getting a good
26:59
Speaker 1: deal in the in the Trump world at that baseline,
27:02
Speaker 1: and of course, as you will know, Australia is one
27:05
Speaker 1: of the foremost advocates of free trade and a living,
27:07
Speaker 1: breathing example of its benefits. But we have to face
27:10
Speaker 1: the realities of what this administration, indeed the US government
27:13
Speaker 1: wants to do. So today we saw Trump lay down
27:17
Speaker 1: some of the new rates which were lower than where
27:20
Speaker 1: they were, and of course extend looking for negotiations with
27:23
Speaker 1: some other nations. We've got to distinguish between the geopolitical dimension,
27:27
Speaker 1: which is all important in this, and the economic which
27:31
Speaker 1: is about making sure that massive trade imbalance with the
27:34
Speaker 1: rest of the world, particularly China, is getting better in
27:37
Speaker 1: the future. I think what we're seeing is a fairly
27:41
Speaker 1: in diplomatic terms, clumsy sort of process, and we're all
27:44
Speaker 1: watching and waiting. But I think the governor today highlighted
27:48
Speaker 1: that and various others that we're in a good position
27:51
Speaker 1: as a nation. The question is whether our trading partners
27:56
Speaker 1: are in any sort of trouble over the next five
27:58
Speaker 1: years or so, and it's not clear at the stage,
28:00
Speaker 1: but those are big numbers for countries like Japan and
28:03
Speaker 1: Korea where they have businesses selling at very tight margins.
28:07
Speaker 1: It will change where investment goes and where trade flows.
28:11
Speaker 1: So everyone's watching and it's unknown territory.
28:16
Speaker 4: And look, you're right.
28:17
Speaker 2: Potentially our opportunities inside the United States will increase. Given
28:21
Speaker 2: you know we're at ten percent, there are twenty five
28:22
Speaker 2: others at forty.
28:23
Speaker 4: Thank you Warren. That's great.
28:25
Speaker 2: After the rate reports today that Victoria police will given
28:28
Speaker 2: orders not to confront protesters the very same night the
28:31
Speaker 2: thugs set upon that Melbourne City restaurant last how does
28:35
Speaker 2: this anti semitism look from Afar, we'll cross live to
28:38
Speaker 2: the UK. We'll speak with someone who's long called out
28:40
Speaker 2: the rise of radical Islamists. What's this all doing to
28:44
Speaker 2: our international reputation? Welcome back still to come Tony Abatt
28:52
Speaker 2: live at the desk with me. But here's take on
28:54
Speaker 2: the Australia US relationship and how he reckons we get
28:58
Speaker 2: it back on track. The first Victoria's Police Chief Commissioner,
29:02
Speaker 2: the New Blope just over from New Zealand, Well These
29:05
Speaker 2: launched a review into the handling of a shocking attack
29:07
Speaker 2: on Israeli restaurant in Melbourne on Friday night. Three people
29:10
Speaker 2: have now been charged with a soul to Frey righteous
29:13
Speaker 2: behavior and criminal damage. And this comes after report in
29:17
Speaker 2: The Age today that Victorian police officers had been given
29:20
Speaker 2: orders earlier on Friday not to confront protesters at an
29:25
Speaker 2: anti police demonstration in the city. Now that protest was
29:28
Speaker 2: promoted online by pro Palestinian and hard left activists John
29:33
Speaker 2: Been no. How to discuss this and what the heck's
29:35
Speaker 2: going on? Former homicide detective Charlie Pasina. You know, Victorians
29:40
Speaker 2: watched these scenes increasingly the fire bombing, the violence in
29:45
Speaker 2: urban areas, and in this case it's small business, and
29:48
Speaker 2: they think, where are the police? And then you read
29:51
Speaker 2: this report of the Age today that the police are there.
29:53
Speaker 2: The police are on the beat, but they've been told
29:55
Speaker 2: by they're higher ups not to go near the protesters,
29:58
Speaker 2: not to confront them. Let them have our affair crack
30:00
Speaker 2: at there. What's the point of the police.
30:03
Speaker 7: Well, exactly right. I understand they were sitting in buses
30:05
Speaker 7: around the corner. And this is not unlike when Gagosulus
30:08
Speaker 7: was on the run.
30:09
Speaker 14: Look at the result of that, when senior officers were
30:11
Speaker 14: saying the don't make an arrest, don't make an arrest exactly,
30:15
Speaker 14: and they become over risk adverse. Sure, there's a lot
30:18
Speaker 14: of planning because you're going to say, well, are we
30:20
Speaker 14: going to inflame it? How many demonstrators were there. But
30:24
Speaker 14: the whole real issue was this splinter group twenty splinter
30:27
Speaker 14: group that actually were the.
30:28
Speaker 7: Ones that attacked the restaurant.
30:29
Speaker 14: Imagine the fear of those restaurant tours and the people
30:33
Speaker 14: going there. It's no good in this police forces. A.
30:36
Speaker 14: It's a bad look. B. It creates an injury mentally
30:42
Speaker 14: and physically to these people.
30:45
Speaker 7: Doing it after Marth is not good enough.
30:47
Speaker 14: They've got to react on the spot. Now we are
30:49
Speaker 14: paying the legacy since two thousand and this was brought
30:52
Speaker 14: in by Christine Nixon, the Chief Commissioner.
30:54
Speaker 4: Then that's soft policing exactly.
30:57
Speaker 14: Her attitude was, do not make arrests. So this is
31:00
Speaker 14: twenty two thousand, remember the G twenty riots and that's
31:05
Speaker 14: where it was and heard instructions were do not make
31:08
Speaker 14: a rest. Well, there were task force and catch up
31:10
Speaker 14: later and it's fermented twenty five years later. Look where
31:14
Speaker 14: we are. And another aspect is years ago we had
31:18
Speaker 14: what we called the Special Branch and they had all
31:21
Speaker 14: this intelligence on these particular political groups, and the government
31:26
Speaker 14: of the day said Nope, disbanded straight away.
31:29
Speaker 7: All the intelligence we lost.
31:30
Speaker 14: So we need to have the intelligence and we need
31:32
Speaker 14: the government on side to get permits and make these
31:36
Speaker 14: people a cannabal.
31:37
Speaker 4: Well, just on that.
31:38
Speaker 2: That's a good point. I was going to make the point,
31:39
Speaker 2: and I made it last night. You know, my headdress
31:42
Speaker 2: is next door to this restaurant, so know the area
31:43
Speaker 2: well Highway Lane as.
31:45
Speaker 4: A little lane.
31:46
Speaker 7: Yeah, I know it.
31:47
Speaker 2: You could put policity the end and round up your
31:50
Speaker 2: proturles and throw them in the divvy van. But it's
31:52
Speaker 2: also very narrow too, so all the other people out
31:55
Speaker 2: there on a busy Friday night will have suffered the
31:57
Speaker 2: same sort of career as those people inside the rest did.
32:01
Speaker 2: But talk to me about those permit laws. I'll get
32:03
Speaker 2: to the move on laws at a moment, because Victoria
32:06
Speaker 2: you used to have them till Dan Andrew's got rid of.
32:08
Speaker 2: But what they have in your South Wales the permit
32:10
Speaker 2: system now. She's pushed almost every day, the premier in Victoria,
32:14
Speaker 2: to say, why don't you have this in place in Victoria?
32:17
Speaker 4: Why don't we Well.
32:18
Speaker 14: I don't know what affiliation the government of the day
32:21
Speaker 14: has with these particular groups.
32:22
Speaker 7: Is your some association.
32:24
Speaker 14: There's got to be a reason why they then enacted
32:26
Speaker 14: because okay, I've had this permit.
32:29
Speaker 2: I mean a left wing government in kot left wing.
32:32
Speaker 7: It may well be the case.
32:34
Speaker 14: Now you've got to say this, You've said why why
32:37
Speaker 14: haven't they enacted it every other state and we're the
32:39
Speaker 14: only ones left standing without it. My view is, okay,
32:43
Speaker 14: apply for a permit to protest. Okay, that's your right,
32:48
Speaker 14: but you've got the Spinner group. Go back to the
32:50
Speaker 14: permit hold and say all right, this Spinner group came
32:53
Speaker 14: from your group.
32:54
Speaker 7: You're the one accountable.
32:55
Speaker 14: Now when you apply for another permit, you're not going
32:57
Speaker 14: to get it because you're not controlling your own peace.
33:00
Speaker 7: It's not for us. So ultimately there is no accountability.
33:04
Speaker 14: They run right, And my particular question is what have
33:07
Speaker 14: you achieved, what apart from inconveniencing the community, the good
33:11
Speaker 14: people of this state, what have you achieved globally internally?
33:16
Speaker 7: But go and demonstrate in the middle of the botadaical
33:19
Speaker 7: guard because we.
33:19
Speaker 2: Don't worry anything about these people unless they're arrested direct
33:23
Speaker 2: right where was in New South Wales? You know the organizations,
33:26
Speaker 2: you know how.
33:26
Speaker 7: Many to exeget the intelligence.
33:28
Speaker 4: Yet you can resource it according each other.
33:30
Speaker 14: But I think that they didn't have intelligence on that restaurant,
33:33
Speaker 14: but they should have been proactive.
33:36
Speaker 7: We are a reactive.
33:37
Speaker 14: Police force, but we've got to become smart and become
33:39
Speaker 14: proactive and then have our people in stealth and say
33:43
Speaker 14: all right, we've got to twenty spind a group, have
33:45
Speaker 14: thirty of us, and let's storm them and arrest them
33:48
Speaker 14: and then we'll sort it out later. The community will
33:50
Speaker 14: say fantastic. They'd be pumped and we need the powers.
33:54
Speaker 14: They had this anti valification laws back in December. It
33:58
Speaker 14: hasn't been passed in that law, so the police have
34:01
Speaker 14: really got no powers. But they've got to be seen
34:03
Speaker 14: to be doing, not sitting in a bus around the corner.
34:05
Speaker 14: So it'll be interested to see what Mike Burns a
34:08
Speaker 14: Bush comes up with about with his review. Hopefully things
34:13
Speaker 14: will change and having more in the face of these
34:16
Speaker 14: people and saying no, we run this state.
34:19
Speaker 7: You don't tell you what.
34:20
Speaker 2: We didn't need to go to New Zealand for a
34:22
Speaker 2: new police commissioner, Charlievicenta, you could have had that job,
34:24
Speaker 2: muche recruit from our own I tell you fantastic.
34:26
Speaker 4: Thank you all right. Australia's a scourge of anti seventies
34:30
Speaker 4: and we know is a national shame.
34:32
Speaker 2: I think as a Melbournie and I feel enormous shame
34:34
Speaker 2: about it, but bad for Australia. It's making headlines all
34:38
Speaker 2: around the world for all the wrong reasons. Israeli p
34:42
Speaker 2: and Benjamin and Yao who's condemned the attacks in Melbourne,
34:44
Speaker 2: including the arson attack that is synagogue and called on
34:47
Speaker 2: the Australian government to deal with the writers to the
34:49
Speaker 2: full extent of the law and prevent similar attacks in
34:52
Speaker 2: the future. To've been out to discuss this. Author and
34:55
Speaker 2: Sky News contributor Ian Hersiali from London, thank you. I've
35:00
Speaker 2: got to get your take from afar. What do you
35:02
Speaker 2: make of Australia's response to these increasing and shocking incidents
35:08
Speaker 2: of anti semitism.
35:13
Speaker 7: Hi, Peter.
35:14
Speaker 15: What I make of it is that Australia is treating
35:18
Speaker 15: these horrible and horrifying attacks as criminal activity fast and foremost,
35:25
Speaker 15: that is a discussion that the domestic politicians and policy
35:30
Speaker 15: makers and the police are having. But this is much
35:33
Speaker 15: bigger than just a criminal activity. This is a political movement.
35:39
Speaker 15: It's political subversion. We're looking at political violence and we
35:43
Speaker 15: need to get to the bottom. We need to know
35:45
Speaker 15: where the mother be of this is. And I think
35:48
Speaker 15: it's been going on for many, many years, and I
35:50
Speaker 15: don't know if it's any comfort to Australians, but it's
35:54
Speaker 15: not happening just in Australia. It's happening all over the
35:57
Speaker 15: Western world. And somehow the Anglow world is a more
36:00
Speaker 15: affected than the rest. It's the United Kingdom, it's in
36:04
Speaker 15: America that we're seeing these marches and this targeted violence
36:08
Speaker 15: against Israel, against Jews, against Zionism. But these attacks and
36:13
Speaker 15: Jews are just the appetizer. If you look at the
36:16
Speaker 15: ideology of the political activists, they come for the Jews first,
36:21
Speaker 15: but they really are after eventually, after America and after
36:24
Speaker 15: the system. So I think that we have to look
36:27
Speaker 15: this in the right perspective, which is, yes, find the
36:32
Speaker 15: criminal perpetrators and punish them to the full extent of
36:35
Speaker 15: the law. But the more important step is to understand
36:39
Speaker 15: who these people are and what their political motivations are
36:43
Speaker 15: and how they got to where they are.
36:46
Speaker 2: Right, you pick this up and pace the courage media
36:50
Speaker 2: because you talk about how we're basically producing these socialists
36:55
Speaker 2: in the universities. You point to man Dami, this is
36:59
Speaker 2: the New York Democrat in the mayoral race, and you
37:02
Speaker 2: point out that he fled at Uganda. But he's the
37:05
Speaker 2: sort of person who came and profited from living in
37:07
Speaker 2: the United States. But now he's waging a campaign against
37:10
Speaker 2: the very system you say that gave him his freedoms.
37:14
Speaker 4: I mean, is he an example of more to come?
37:20
Speaker 15: He is obviously the big, shining example of what we
37:24
Speaker 15: have produced in our universities. And again, I want to
37:28
Speaker 15: keep repeating the word the subversion. It started with the
37:31
Speaker 15: subversion of our educational institutions, so that we are not
37:34
Speaker 15: providing education anymore in these universities. We're not teaching the
37:38
Speaker 15: disciplines of math and science and history and civics and
37:44
Speaker 15: Western civilization and humanities and classics. Now we have something
37:49
Speaker 15: called studies, and these are all grievance studies. You get
37:52
Speaker 15: a degree in resentment and in anger against the very
37:57
Speaker 15: system and against the very society that has provided someone
38:01
Speaker 15: like Mamdany with stability to become who he is. And
38:06
Speaker 15: I think that this is the what you're seeing. The
38:09
Speaker 15: anti Semitism, the resistence as they call it, that you're
38:13
Speaker 15: seeing on the streets. It's not We're not having a
38:18
Speaker 15: sudden onset socialism. This is rooted in years and years
38:22
Speaker 15: of quote unquote education. But it wasn't education. It's indoctrination.
38:26
Speaker 15: And I think there is no way of justifying it
38:28
Speaker 15: because I've had, you know, the Oili podcast. I was
38:31
Speaker 15: responding to Friedberg's where he was trying to think that
38:35
Speaker 15: maybe there's a material reason for this, but that maybe
38:38
Speaker 15: it's the student loans and things like this, and I'll
38:40
Speaker 15: tell you again that is just part.
38:42
Speaker 4: Of the story.
38:43
Speaker 15: But the real story is that our educational system, our
38:47
Speaker 15: educational institutions have been infiltrated and they've been subverted, and
38:52
Speaker 15: we're looking at impressionable young minds whose minds and hearts
38:56
Speaker 15: have been twisted to come out against the system. Wants
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Speaker 15: to bring up the empire. They talk about white supremacy
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Speaker 15: and this has to stop. And that's really where the
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Speaker 15: root of the problem lies.
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Speaker 2: Spot On, Ianna, I urge all of my viewers at
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Speaker 2: home who have not read your piece to go to
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Speaker 2: Courage Media and read it, because you know it's a
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Speaker 2: clarion call to the West, but to Australians about what's
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Speaker 2: happening with so you call it indoctrination infrastructure on our campuses.
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Speaker 4: So true.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Anne, thank you all right after ray Tony
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Speaker 2: Avittle joined me after spending the day to day at
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Speaker 2: the East Melbourne Synagogue. Last a bit later on the
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Speaker 2: IR decision that will have massive ramifications not just in
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Speaker 2: mining but across a lot of workplaces.
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Speaker 4: Welcome back.
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Speaker 2: Coming up the take on the unions today who want
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Speaker 2: a showdown in case with BHP, I have the same
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Speaker 2: work saying pay rules. It's a big precedent for business.
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Speaker 2: But first to the anti Semitic attacks in Melbourne on
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Speaker 2: the weekend. Former Prime Minister Tony Abbott days visited the
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Speaker 2: synagogue at the scene at the horrific events in miss
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Speaker 2: Melbourne that was targeted by arsiness, one of many attacks
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Speaker 2: across the city targeting Jews.
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Speaker 4: Tony Appa joins me. Now, I know you went.
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Speaker 2: To the synagogue to day at Albert Street and you
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Speaker 2: met with Rabbi Goodnick.
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Speaker 6: Why did you think it was important to do that, Peter,
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Speaker 6: I thought it was important to make my own personal
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Speaker 6: statement of solidarity with Jewish Australians who have been under
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Speaker 6: a relentless attack. Really ever, since the October the seventh atrocity.
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Speaker 6: It must stop, and all we've had up till now
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Speaker 6: is largely impotent hand ringing.
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Speaker 7: From people in authority.
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Speaker 6: I wouldn't so much have a fifteen point plan, I'd
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Speaker 6: have a one point plan to stop this. Just as
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Speaker 6: the police cracked down hard on the freedom protests during
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Speaker 6: the pandemic, there's nothing to stop them cracking down on
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Speaker 6: these prohamas due hatred protests. They've been going on for
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Speaker 6: far too long. This is not a question of freedom
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Speaker 6: of speech and the right to protest. This is blatant
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Speaker 6: intimidation of decent, law abiding Australians. We can't tolerate it.
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Speaker 7: They must be stopped.
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Speaker 6: They must never be allowed to happen again. And if
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Speaker 6: the police object, the Premier should just say I'm sorry.
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Speaker 6: This is an instruction from the elected and accountable government
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Speaker 6: to officialdom, go and carry it out.
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Speaker 2: I think the problem, if you've talked to Charlie Person
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Speaker 2: and others in the police force, is less about the
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Speaker 2: actual rank and file street it's move on laws in
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Speaker 2: Victoria being repealed by Daniel Andrews. It's the lack of
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Speaker 2: a permit system in Victoria, unlike New South Wales. It's
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Speaker 2: a lack of ticker from our leaders and we saw that.
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Speaker 7: That's the essential point.
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Speaker 4: But that's what.
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Speaker 2: Happened from that very Sunday before there had been a
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Speaker 2: strike by Israel in retaliation to the hostage taking and
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Speaker 2: the murders and the deaths and the depravity. Before Israel
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Speaker 2: had even responded, you've got these hate preachers basically screaming
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Speaker 2: on the steps of the Opera House. Now two years on,
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Speaker 2: almost from October seven, it's only got worse.
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Speaker 6: It's a bad attack of moral ambivalence on the part
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Speaker 6: of our leaders. What's happening on our streets, What's been
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Speaker 6: happening on our streets repeatedly since October the ninth, since
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Speaker 6: October the eighth, twenty twenty three. It's just wrong and
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Speaker 6: the only way now, after months and months and months
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Speaker 6: of equivocation and half hearted statements and more reviews and
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Speaker 6: more committees and more talk, it's not new laws, it's
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Speaker 6: new and decisive will on the part of the authorities
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Speaker 6: to do the same thing to these utterly wrong headed protests,
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Speaker 6: as was to the.
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Speaker 7: Freedom protest during the pandemic.
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Speaker 6: The Victoria government had the power to do it against protesters,
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Speaker 6: then it's got the power to do it.
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Speaker 2: Now, I've got to ask you about the fact that
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Speaker 2: the PM is going it is fourth trip to Beijing
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Speaker 2: to meet President G and we haven't had a meeting
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Speaker 2: with the US president. We've got to obviously, the tariffs
43:21
Speaker 2: with had an extension now until the first of August.
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Speaker 2: I mean, people who have observed this space for a
43:27
Speaker 2: long time, like Greg Sheridan say this isn't now just
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Speaker 2: about a relationship between two men. He thinks the alliance
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Speaker 2: itself is at risk. We know G wants to take
43:39
Speaker 2: back Taiwan. People talk about twenty twenty seven as a
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Speaker 2: key to eight. We are in very treacherous times. Our
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Speaker 2: whole military posture is banked on the fact that if
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Speaker 2: we got into trouble, the US had come to our right.
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Speaker 2: We can't even get a phone call, let alone a meeting.
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Speaker 2: Do you think Greg's points fair?
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Speaker 6: I think they're There is a fundamental difficulty right now,
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Speaker 6: and I think that the US Alliance, it's been the
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Speaker 6: bedrock of our security for the last seventy years, is
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Speaker 6: potentially at risk because at the end of the day,
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Speaker 6: it's hard to know whose side this government is on.
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Speaker 6: Is the Albanese government more on the side of communist
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Speaker 6: China or is it more on the side of the
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Speaker 6: country that's been the leader of the free world all
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Speaker 6: these decades?
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Speaker 2: Now, So imagine if you were in the prime minister's
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Speaker 2: shoes today, how do you fix it?
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Speaker 7: Well, I think you've got to do two things.
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Speaker 6: First of all, you've got to swiftly lift our defense spending,
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Speaker 6: our military spending to the three percent of GDP that
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Speaker 6: people like Kim Beasley and the authors of the government's
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Speaker 6: own Defense Review have said is essential. And second, you've
44:53
Speaker 6: got to make it crystal clear that in any conflict
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Speaker 6: between communist China and the leader of the free world,
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Speaker 6: we'll be on America's side. Now, we hope that there
45:05
Speaker 6: will never be any conflict because it would be diabolical,
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Speaker 6: but the best way to avoid conflict is de terrence
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Speaker 6: through strength, peace through strength, And we'd be making it
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Speaker 6: clear not that we're against the Chinese people, but that
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Speaker 6: in any choice between dictatorship and democracy, we know where
45:29
Speaker 6: we stand.
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Speaker 4: Tony, have it be careful with words like that.
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Speaker 2: You might find yourself in Washington knocking on Trunk's door
45:37
Speaker 2: and replacing Kevin Right.
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Speaker 4: A pity if you've got that job with you what
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Speaker 4: all right? Believe it?
45:41
Speaker 2: There after the break us primaries for the Liberal Party
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Speaker 2: in your South Wales. God to help us with that
45:47
Speaker 2: one plus public servants.
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Speaker 4: At a climate conference. Welcome back.
45:56
Speaker 2: Let's bring in my panel straightaway, skin is contribute our
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Speaker 2: former Liberal Party Vice president Tina McQueen and Jared Holland,
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Speaker 2: the chief executive of the Page Research Center. Help me
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Speaker 2: understand what's going on in New South Wales amongst the Libs.
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Speaker 4: Please, Tina.
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Speaker 2: A crowd of moderates want US style primaries to help
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Speaker 2: choose the new Liberal candidates for the future. But in
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Speaker 2: that it's not just Liberal members who'll get a vote.
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Speaker 4: They want Labor and Green's.
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Speaker 2: Supporters to choose the Liberal I reckon, this is absolutely nuts.
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Speaker 16: It's total madness, Peter, I can't believe it being pushed
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Speaker 16: by Julian Lesso, who's the champion branch stacker so good
46:35
Speaker 16: at a branch stacking enforced Philibroddock out of his seat.
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Speaker 16: It's insane. Also the petition that was made public regarding quoters.
46:43
Speaker 16: I mean, all this give us democracy in New South Wales.
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Speaker 16: Let every member have a vote and all problems will
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Speaker 16: be solved. But this is absolute lunacy and if we
46:52
Speaker 16: continue with this, we will become irrelevant.
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Speaker 2: I have to tell you too, A petition that's only
46:58
Speaker 2: got about five hundred names saying they want female quote
47:01
Speaker 2: as tells me dead Dodo. No one wants it. No
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Speaker 2: one that's stupid other than a few moderates.
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Speaker 4: I suspect. Let's go to other stupidity.
47:09
Speaker 2: Chris Bowen spending one point five million dollars to take
47:12
Speaker 2: seventy to five public servants on an aircraft with emissions
47:17
Speaker 2: all the way to Azerbajan last year. I'll tell you what, Jared,
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Speaker 2: this is just a gravy train.
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Speaker 17: Well, the big irony of all of this, Peter, is
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Speaker 17: the big takeaway from Baku was that renewables can't do
47:28
Speaker 17: it all, and if the world wants to decarbonize its
47:30
Speaker 17: electricity grid, it has to go nuclear. So clearly they
47:33
Speaker 17: weren't paying much attention and were at the same conference
47:35
Speaker 17: as everyone else. But now, if this government's priority was
47:38
Speaker 17: how do we have as cheap electricity as possible, they
47:41
Speaker 17: might have found themselves at another conference in February in London,
47:44
Speaker 17: the Art Conference, and heard from the Energy Secretary in
47:46
Speaker 17: the US Chris Wright talking about how unlocking and harnessing
47:50
Speaker 17: all of their fossil fuels is the key to getting
47:52
Speaker 17: prices down, making the grid reliable, and ending energy poverty.
47:56
Speaker 17: And I think this seems to be where the government
47:57
Speaker 17: prioritizes if it's actually serious about transfer lives, and it
48:01
Speaker 17: won't come from performityve aactions conferences in AZERBA Giant.
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Speaker 2: You're not wrong, And of course Chris Bayne wants Australia
48:08
Speaker 2: our hosted and our bill will not be one point
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Speaker 2: five million.
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Speaker 4: Let me tell you hell of a lot more than that, Tina.
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Speaker 2: This decision by the Fairwell Commission, it's ruled in favor
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Speaker 2: of the unions against BEHP and it says that the
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Speaker 2: two hundred labor higher firm mine workers. So these are contractors,
48:27
Speaker 2: they're not employees. They've all got to have their pay
48:30
Speaker 2: lifted to the same as someone who is a full
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Speaker 2: time employee. This could be about thirty thousand dollars per worker.
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Speaker 2: This is under the.
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Speaker 4: Whole same job, same pay law regime.
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Speaker 2: Now business are worry this basically wipes out labor higher firms,
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Speaker 2: which has long been the holy grail.
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Speaker 4: Of the unions.
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Speaker 16: That's right, Peter look and BHPS may sort of cost
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Speaker 16: about five thousand jobs. It will also cost you one
48:59
Speaker 16: point seven billion dollars to all the people that have
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Speaker 16: shares in BHB, either directly or through their you know,
49:09
Speaker 16: through their.
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Speaker 4: Super fun yeh super fund exactly. So this is a tender.
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Speaker 16: Constable who's been a great champion of this is absolutely
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Speaker 16: disgusted with the role. Result is incredibly disappointing and will
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Speaker 16: change this industry forever.
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Speaker 2: Let's stay with resources because the investment firm Baron Joey
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Speaker 2: says the uranium market has exploded because there's a whole
49:30
Speaker 2: lot of people around the world not here of course,
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Speaker 2: who want to build nuclear power stations, and that there's
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Speaker 2: a real shortfall in uranium supply. We're abundant with it,
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Speaker 2: of course, and it'll make the commodity more expensive, which
49:43
Speaker 2: is good for Australian exports. But I'll tell you what
49:46
Speaker 2: not good for our own energy market, Jared. I mean,
49:49
Speaker 2: you must feel like you bang your head against a
49:50
Speaker 2: brick wall. I mean, we're going to keep digging it
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Speaker 2: up like we dig up our coal, like we mind
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Speaker 2: our gas.
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Speaker 4: But we'll ship it for others to use, but not
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Speaker 4: use it here.
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Speaker 17: That's exactly right, Peter, and that's exactly what I was
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Speaker 17: going to say when you're reading out the story is
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Speaker 17: there's other commodities that we love to dig up here
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Speaker 17: and are very happy for others to burn on the
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Speaker 17: cheap and sell us back the products that we don't
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Speaker 17: want to touch. Look on the uranium point, I think
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Speaker 17: what's interesting we just talked about cop the world is
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Speaker 17: recognizing that energy reliability and especially energy security is going
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Speaker 17: to be essential coming into the next decade, especially with
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Speaker 17: all the geopolitical turm world that we've been witnessing around
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Speaker 17: the world. Nuclear rods they're pretty reliable stuff. You can
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Speaker 17: stick them in a well, they'll sit there for decades
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Speaker 17: on end, and then you can pull them out and
50:32
Speaker 17: then use them when you need them. And so when
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Speaker 17: other countries aren't blessed with the resources that we have,
50:36
Speaker 17: it's a really smart way to make sure they're shoring
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Speaker 17: up their grids. The fact that we're not doing this,
50:40
Speaker 17: that we're importing solar panels and wind turbines from China
50:43
Speaker 17: that only last five, ten, fifteen years, or a couple
50:46
Speaker 17: of years if there's a haalstorm, is absolute madness. But
50:49
Speaker 17: look hopefully call their heads, prevail and there's still a
50:51
Speaker 17: couple of hours works for labor to really turn this
50:53
Speaker 17: around and shure up our country.
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Speaker 4: Oh, we've wrote them ount which would be the nice
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Speaker 4: way to go. Thank you to you both. That's it
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Speaker 4: for me tonight. Up next, Andrew bought with Jeneka to Georgio.