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The Kardashians vs. Tristan Thompson · Reality with The King

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  Speaker 2: Reality with the King. Obviously, we need to talk about
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  Speaker 2: this latest episode of The Kardashians on Hulu and another ibby.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do this episode.
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  Speaker 2: Solo because I am back with fan favorite Blue to
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  Speaker 2: She's also a blue to Luzma fan. She told me
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  Speaker 2: to tell you hello. She loves our conversations together. So,
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  Speaker 2: how are you gorgeous?
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  Speaker 3: I'm doing well. I slept like a baby this weekend,
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  Speaker 3: so I feel exceptional.
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  Speaker 1: You told me that somebody said you look like an
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  Speaker 1: adult baby, too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know how to receive that. It feels
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  Speaker 3: like a backhanded compliment. She's like, you look at an
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  Speaker 3: adult baby, and I was like, okay, it's just my face,
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  Speaker 3: thank you. She could have said baby face. It feels shady.
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  Speaker 3: She does not look like an adult baby, so maybe
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  Speaker 3: she was working through some feelings.
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  Speaker 2: Mmm, so brain drops, let me know if that shade
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  Speaker 2: is somebody refers to you as you look like an
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  Speaker 2: adult baby.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I have great skin, exceptional skin.
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  Speaker 3: You have quaranteers all over your face.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Boo.
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  Speaker 1: So someone called me a doll baby.
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  Speaker 2: I look, I'm kind of vain, so I may take
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  Speaker 2: us a compliment like, oh, the skin is smooth like
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  Speaker 2: a baby's bottom.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but you're a man. There's just so many things
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  Speaker 3: you can say to a grown woman. That she looks
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  Speaker 3: like an adult baby just feels off. Although I will
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  Speaker 3: say I want to know your skincare recgi when we get.
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  Speaker 1: Off, okay, I'll tell you because I need for some
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  Speaker 1: sponsors and sponsored business.
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  Speaker 2: But nonetheless we have to get into the latest episode
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  Speaker 2: of the Card Dash he's on Hulu. I would like
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  Speaker 2: to refer to this episode as Tristan's apology tour.
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  Speaker 3: That's literally what I wrote down on my notes. Oh
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  Speaker 3: my god, we are kindred Okay, see this was meant
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  Speaker 3: to happen. That's literally what I wrote my notes.
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  Speaker 1: Not Kendrick Lamar, we are kindred spirits.
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  Speaker 3: For those of you who are not well read.
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  Speaker 2: Good catch No, it was definitely like Tristan rented out
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  Speaker 2: a bus, okay, and he dropped off all.
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  Speaker 1: The holes he slept with.
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  Speaker 2: And I mean allegedly, I mean allegedly vid he said,
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  Speaker 2: you know what, I'm gonna drive this bus solo, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to apologize to each of.
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  Speaker 1: The Kardashian clan.
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  Speaker 2: So let's catch people up in case they did not
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  Speaker 2: catch this episode and need a little refresher. So, as
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  Speaker 2: you all know, Tristan third Trimester Thompson, as the Neighborhood
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  Speaker 2: Talk blog calls him, he has cheated on Chloe numerous
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  Speaker 2: times and actually had a baby on her yes, okay,
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  Speaker 2: and lied about the baby's paternity until he admitted to
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  Speaker 2: him being the.
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  Speaker 1: Father by before old girl had the baby.
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  Speaker 2: So he is living with Chloe because Tristan, who's a millionaire,
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  Speaker 2: house wasn't ready that he was renovating, and him and
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  Speaker 2: his brother who is handicapped, lived with Chloe because his
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  Speaker 2: mother passed away and makes you rest in peace. So
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  Speaker 2: Chloe has been taking care of Tristan, the brother, true,
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  Speaker 2: the new son, and this entire household. But now Tristan
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  Speaker 2: has moved out. And Chloe said something in this episode
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  Speaker 2: that I want to get your take on Blue. She said, Look,
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  Speaker 2: although Tristan moved out, I made a promise to his mother.
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  Speaker 3: I'm so happy. Oh we're the same person. I wanted
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  Speaker 3: to talk about this. This is exactly what I wanted to
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  Speaker 3: talk about. Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 2: She made a comment and said, although Tristan has moved out,
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  Speaker 2: I made a promise to his mother that I was
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  Speaker 2: still help and take care of them. I'm paraphrasing, but
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  Speaker 2: that's that's that's essentially what she said. And as I
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  Speaker 2: was sitting on my couch eating my old male blueberry
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  Speaker 2: flax seed oil.
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  Speaker 3: Come through healthy king.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, come on, like, I'm all about it, right. I
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  Speaker 2: literally gagged out an oat and could not finish the meal.
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  Speaker 2: What did you think about that statement?
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  Speaker 3: Blue, We're the same person, we have the same title.
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  Speaker 3: That is my first note? That is, okay? Is this
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  Speaker 3: god showing off? I was upset because when she said
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  Speaker 3: Tristan's mom Andrea left, you know, me in charge of
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  Speaker 3: a lot of a Mari's care, and you know they
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  Speaker 3: knew that I would be the one. Wait a minute,
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  Speaker 3: the lady just met you and you the bottom bitch.
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  Speaker 3: That's sorry, excuse my friend that his son is returning
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  Speaker 3: to after the other poet, like, how did you wait?
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  Speaker 1: Wait?
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  Speaker 3: And so my first thought was, oh, so they're all
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  Speaker 3: in on this, like they it's a money grab, right,
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  Speaker 3: That was my first thought because in most let's be honest,
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  Speaker 3: most Caribbean women are not leaving a random white woman
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  Speaker 3: in care of their child unless she's filthy rich and
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  Speaker 3: has so many resources that that supersedes bloodlines, family integrity,
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  Speaker 3: making sense, you know. So I just feel like this
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  Speaker 3: is another statement that accidentally proves that Chloe's a cash cow,
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  Speaker 3: and all of her statements in the confessionals feel very rehearsed,
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  Speaker 3: almost as if they are in conjunction with the edits
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  Speaker 3: that they agree to. Like the storytelling was a little
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  Speaker 3: bit too heavy handed. And while they called me a babyface,
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  Speaker 3: I was also realizing he's aging her because that mug
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  Speaker 3: was cracked the entire episode. I was like, all this money,
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  Speaker 3: you ain't got no moisturizer. Like, he's the suck you gus,
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  Speaker 3: He's sucking the life spirit out of her body and
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  Speaker 3: it's showing up on her face. I was, she's not
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  Speaker 3: an adult baby.
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  Speaker 2: Well, no, this is the thing that I will listen.
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  Speaker 2: I think Chloe is still gorgeazz all of La or
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  Speaker 2: New Tregina.
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  Speaker 3: Or something, please something. That mug was cracked, she was dressed,
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  Speaker 3: she was pressing her out.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's what I wanted to get into me said
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  Speaker 2: that because, and I've said this before, I met Chloe.
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  Speaker 1: Malika is one of my good friends.
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  Speaker 2: I met Chloe through Malika, and Chloe's the sweetest, more
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  Speaker 2: down to earth fun person in the.
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  Speaker 1: World, I believe. I will say, for the past couple of.
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  Speaker 2: Years, I haven't seen light in Chloe's eyes and am
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  Speaker 2: every long time and I do feel sorry for her
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  Speaker 2: because I want her to realize her own worth. And
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  Speaker 2: we'll get into the Kylie and and Courtney conversation of
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  Speaker 2: a lot later, my beloved, because I Fox with Courtney
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  Speaker 2: hard body like the full circle moment.
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  Speaker 3: Courtney's my favorite this episode. Who would have thunk it?
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  Speaker 2: Courtney's my favorite this season, And we'll we'll do a
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  Speaker 2: deep dive into that at I mean, Courney is letting
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  Speaker 2: the girl's abad and I'm low key here for it's.
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  Speaker 3: The house down from the inside.
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  Speaker 1: I told you you did say that. So the thing
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  Speaker 1: with with with Chloe is you're right.
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  Speaker 2: He's a suscabas he he is sucking the life out
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  Speaker 2: of her.
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  Speaker 1: She's not fun.
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  Speaker 2: And in my opinion, based on what started this episode,
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  Speaker 2: I do agree with you that the confessionals are rehearsed.
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  Speaker 2: The Kardashians let it be known they have final edit,
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  Speaker 2: so they get to watch the episode make changes and
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  Speaker 2: cuts before us the audience gets a chance to see.
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  Speaker 1: It, so they approve all of the content.
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  Speaker 2: And what I discovered as I was watching this episode
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  Speaker 2: is this is setting up the reconciliation between Tristan and Chloe,
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  Speaker 2: because I don't understand why any man if that's not
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  Speaker 2: my man, and if that's not the man that I
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  Speaker 2: want to be with, and if that's not the man
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  Speaker 2: who I want to marry, you don't have to apologize
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  Speaker 2: to my siblings. You don't because I'm not invested in
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  Speaker 2: you having a relationship with them. So what did you
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  Speaker 2: think about the fact that this was a conversation that
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  Speaker 2: Tristan had with Chloe where he said, I feel the
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  Speaker 2: need to apologize to your sisters for my actions.
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  Speaker 3: I felt like he was a ventriloquis stummy, and that
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  Speaker 3: Chloe's hand was up his butt making the words come out. Wow,
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  Speaker 3: great rehearsals, beautiful gowns, guys, beautiful gowns.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: None of it felt authentic. I know that we're supposed
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  Speaker 3: to suspend reality with the Kardashians, but this pushed it
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  Speaker 3: really far, even for them. Usually there's a certain level
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  Speaker 3: of fun where I cold feel like they're ad libbing.
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  Speaker 3: This felt like there was a telepromter behind Chloe's head, like,
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  Speaker 3: and I felt like her her mouth was probably mouthing
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  Speaker 3: the words to help him along that little baby voice
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  Speaker 3: in the stank walk. We'll get into that. I don't
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  Speaker 3: Tristan's walk, Honey. I lived in DC for a long time.
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  Speaker 3: I have questions about that walk.
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  Speaker 2: But wait, wait, wait, so everybody's talking about in the.
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  Speaker 1: Previous that we called him a city boy.
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  Speaker 2: But the way Tristan was walking in his swimming trunks, shirtless, he.
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  Speaker 1: Has a high booty, it was it was.
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  Speaker 3: A zesty walk. It was zesty and girls.
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  Speaker 2: The girls were saying it was very It was a stank,
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  Speaker 2: feminine walk.
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  Speaker 3: Can he look Okay for those of you who haven't
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  Speaker 3: seen it, he imagine a stallion that suddenly starts pronouncing
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  Speaker 3: around like a show pony instead, right, it was giving
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  Speaker 3: show pony. It was very high booty activity. I will
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  Speaker 3: say this as someone who has had You know, Carlos,
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  Speaker 3: we're pro Lika, BIGGATICGA, the LGBT community and we love them,
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  Speaker 3: and so this is not being homophobic. This is also
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  Speaker 3: saying I've had several male friends who were rubbing on
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  Speaker 3: everything and then discovered they were rubbing on everything because
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  Speaker 3: they couldn't really commit because they liked something else. And so,
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  Speaker 3: knowing Chloe's like, it would be unfortunate if he realized
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  Speaker 3: that there's a reason why he doesn't know why he's
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  Speaker 3: poking everything walking And I'm just saying that I'm opening
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  Speaker 3: up the floor for us not to be anti and
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  Speaker 3: to open up the floor for the Maybe Tristan's working
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  Speaker 3: through some emotions for real. Right. He also made it
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  Speaker 3: a point of mentioning that he's spend two years in therapy.
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  Speaker 3: I'm nervous about what that therapist is going to find out.
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  Speaker 3: And it was very clear that Chloe said, you can't
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  Speaker 3: come back unless you get your fifty lashings on television
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  Speaker 3: every single week for the next two months. So by
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  Speaker 3: the time you do come back, we have shown how
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  Speaker 3: sorry you are and what really annoyed me. And y'all
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  Speaker 3: know that I only bring up race because I'm breathing air,
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  Speaker 3: and so that's why it's relevant. Right, So some of you,
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  Speaker 3: I want to understand that I'm not an angry black woman.
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  Speaker 3: I'm actually an educated human of the world, and unfortunately
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  Speaker 3: anti blackness works into a lot of things subconsciously. Right,
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  Speaker 3: I don't think that Chloe recognizes for someone from an
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  Speaker 3: academic mindset. It is a little off putting seeing the
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  Speaker 3: stallion who got away getting the fifty lashes publicly to
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  Speaker 3: prove that he has been made a homebound in docile
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  Speaker 3: so that he doesn't leave again like there's some imagery
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  Speaker 3: in that that makes me uncomfortable that if I ever
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  Speaker 3: had a conversation with Chloe off camera, we would have
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  Speaker 3: a conversation. I will say, though, Tristan is doing it
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  Speaker 3: because he said it himself. He lost his mother and
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  Speaker 3: his career all at once. Right, his chips were down,
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  Speaker 3: and unfortunately, there's something slightly predatory about knowing that somebody
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  Speaker 3: is compromised and is a wounded bird, and that's when
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  Speaker 3: you get them to come back into the cage. And
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  Speaker 3: so it really upsets me that while everybody's talking about
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  Speaker 3: poor Chloe, poor Chloe, this is still a man who
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  Speaker 3: lost his mother in his career, and we don't talk
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  Speaker 3: about how it feels when a man is being wounded
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  Speaker 3: because we're so busy prioritizing Chloe's wounds. We don't talk
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  Speaker 3: about the trauma that he objectively is going through. Despite
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  Speaker 3: having a dirty pin, He's still a person. Tristan is
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  Speaker 3: still a person. And that was my son who, in
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  Speaker 3: the middle of mourning and loss, was being groomed publicly
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  Speaker 3: for this apology tour, just so the woman that he
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  Speaker 3: didn't want the first time could have him back without
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  Speaker 3: looking stupid. I would feel a way she better hope
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  Speaker 3: that his ancestors still appreciate her money and don't come
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  Speaker 3: and hunt her in another night, because my answers would
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  Speaker 3: be upset. So I get a trysted to the bad
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  Speaker 3: guy in this, but he's still a person, guys, and
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  Speaker 3: it feels predatory. Objectively speaking, it feels very predatory for
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  Speaker 3: Chloe's benefit and her ego.
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  Speaker 2: So you believe that Tristan is possibly right being used
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  Speaker 2: to consciously for the cameras inflate Chloe's ego because she
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  Speaker 2: wants this man to go national television to expose his
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  Speaker 2: apologies to her in a public form, because she could
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  Speaker 2: not handle the public embarrassment that was at the hands
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  Speaker 2: of him.
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  Speaker 3: Right, it's called the redemption arc.
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  Speaker 1: Redemption arc.
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  Speaker 2: So what you are also saying is the fact that
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  Speaker 2: if we take Chloe aside, right, this this woman who
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  Speaker 2: obviously was cheating on and some people do feel you
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  Speaker 2: read what you sew because allegedly a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: feel that she does this, meaning she takes men away
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  Speaker 2: from the woman they're in a relationship whip. So when
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  Speaker 2: you think about Tristan and his trauma, he did say
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  Speaker 2: this episode that he grew up in a household where
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  Speaker 2: he just didn't see men being faithful and he thought
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  Speaker 2: it was a right of passage as being a man.
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  Speaker 2: And Tristan also lost his job. He's not playing in
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  Speaker 2: the NBA anymore. He lost his mother, which as a
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  Speaker 2: boy who lost his mom, it is the most devastating
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  Speaker 2: thing you could ever experience. And not only oh my god,
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  Speaker 2: I'm getting chills. Not only did this man lose his mother,
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  Speaker 2: he also had to within twenty four hours, be the
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  Speaker 2: caretaker of a handicap brother. And at the end of
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  Speaker 2: the day, and this is not being disrespectful, and I
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  Speaker 2: want people to understand that's not my attention. Tristan did
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  Speaker 2: not sign up to be the sole provider of his
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  Speaker 2: handicap brother because at the end of the day that
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  Speaker 2: was that's not Tristan's responsible ability in the sense of
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  Speaker 2: he did not father this boy. So when the mother's
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  Speaker 2: sole responsibility was taking care of the handicapped child, at
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  Speaker 2: the end of the day, that's her responsibility because she
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  Speaker 2: gave birth to this boy. So all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 2: I lost my job. I'm being called all these names
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  Speaker 2: in the press for my actions, right, but within twenty
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  Speaker 2: four hours, I now have to take care of my
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  Speaker 2: handicapped brother for the rest of his life, and every
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  Speaker 2: decision that I make, I now have to consider my
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  Speaker 2: brother who will need to be taken care of if
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  Speaker 2: I choose to go to Vegas, if I choose to,
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  Speaker 2: like you know, leave the state of California. I now
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  Speaker 2: have this responsibility and no one's talking about that.
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  Speaker 3: And this woman who I did wrong, who I care
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  Speaker 3: about but probably don't know how to love properly, she
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  Speaker 3: and her family that has more money than God has
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  Speaker 3: swooped it and said, we'll take care of all this
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  Speaker 3: for you. Give you a job, help you redeem yourself publicly.
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  Speaker 3: You just have to make sure that you make Chloe hole.
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  Speaker 3: And I think the thing that there's a deal that
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  Speaker 3: was struck come on the same way that allegedly Kim
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  Speaker 3: and Raje did the thing, because Kim o Brandy one
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  Speaker 3: hundred and twenty k It feels like whenever there is trauma,
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  Speaker 3: there's a deal to be made. And christ Jianna's at
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  Speaker 3: the helmet. What did I say the first time I
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  Speaker 3: was on here? The devil works hard, Chris Jenna works harder, okay,
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  Speaker 3: And so I don't think the espn of it all.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think the apology toward it all. None of
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  Speaker 3: it is organic, but some of it is subconsciously predatory
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  Speaker 3: because you know that his chips are down. This is
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  Speaker 3: the perfect time. And let's be honest. What is Chloe
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  Speaker 3: always complained about? And this is the most authentic thing
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  Speaker 3: she's ever said on camera. She always talks about how
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  Speaker 3: deregulated her emotions are. She's a cancer, they have lots
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  Speaker 3: of feelings. She was talking about how deregulated her emotions
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  Speaker 3: are because of the public embarrassment that she's endured from
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  Speaker 3: all the romantic l's that she's taken over the years,
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  Speaker 3: and how her desirability is always being questioned. And I'm
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  Speaker 3: someone who's been in a relationship with someone who what
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  Speaker 3: was a tristan, not as bad as him, but someone dishonorable.
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  Speaker 3: And I realized on the other side of therapy and
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  Speaker 3: us breaking up that I only stayed that long because
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  Speaker 3: I needed to be right. People had been laughing at
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  Speaker 3: me for sticking by him for so long. My ego,
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  Speaker 3: which I mistook from my heart, needed to be right
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  Speaker 3: and say see, it was all worth it in the
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  Speaker 3: end because we still figured it out. I didn't actually
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  Speaker 3: love this man, I just didn't want to be wrong.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think Chloe actually even loves him as much
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  Speaker 3: as she thinks. She just doesn't. She needs a w
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  Speaker 3: she needs a win, and the desire for a win
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  Speaker 3: is being conflated for loyalty and love. Who Yeah, it
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  Speaker 3: broke my heart. It broke my heart.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: You third time to charm You gag me every time
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: you're on my podcast, and I have to sit with that.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Chloe may not be in love with Tristan. She may
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: be in love with just being right and the desire
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: to have a win because she's taken so many l's
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: public And I do agree with you. I don't think
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: anything in that ecosystem called the Kardashians is happenstance. I
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: won thousand percent agree that a meeting was had with
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Chris Jenner at the Helm and there was an exchange
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: of opportunities. You are going to sign this appearance release
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: to be on the show, and on this show, you
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: are going to publicly pretty much getting your knees to
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: beg for Chloe's forgiveness and in exchange for my daughter
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: not being stupid and being right in the end, See.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: He wants me. I don't want him. He wants me,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: I don't want.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: He begged me, guys for five seasons.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I finally gave in, and in exchange for that,
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: I will give you a job on ESPN, which is
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: owned by Hulu and Disney that airs their show.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Huh yeah. Mother.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: Look, I worked in digital media for a long time.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: I've been in the press rooms when we've had to
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: construct things. So I'm speaking from someone who's been at
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: the table having to make some stuff up to create
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: a narrative, like this is not us pie in the sky, guys,
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: this is how the industry works. And Carlos, you know that, right,
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: So it's like interesting when you know how things work
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: and you're watching it, like, oh, I can see the storyboy,
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: this is interesting what happens next and the thing that
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: told on them. And this is where me being a
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: little OCD is helpful. I can tell that Chloe and
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: Kylie had the same talking points because they both made
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: the exact same talking point, we're both we're good with
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: Jordan like they it was almost like a copy and
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: paste that they were both reading the exact same bullet point.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: And what struck me about the we're good with Jordan
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: bullet point, which really felt like a well constructed, curated
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: paragraph both times that had happened in the same episode.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: You guys, if you're gonna have the same talking points,
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: at least make them different episodes so it's not so
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: obvious coming for consultations. But it's interesting that Chloe made
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: it a point of saying she apologized to me, and
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: I accepted it, And my first thought was, where's the rest,
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: where's your apology to her? Because I don't think she's
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: ever really acknowledged that you and your big, big important
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: friends got on television and attempted to bully a young
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: black girl who you thought had no resources until the
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: smith swooped in, And had the Smiths not swooped in,
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: she would not have been in the good place she
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: is now. You could have destroyed her. A failed attempt
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: is still an attempt, right, attempted robbery, attempted murder, They
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: still charge you. Yes, yeah, so just because the attempt
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: failed doesn't mean you don't owe an apology back. And
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: even with Tristan talking about her like she was a
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: young girl I shouldn't have. It was all just very
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: sad to me because at the end of the day.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: We often forget that even holy ass men are people,
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: and I think again, we're seeing how these girls, in
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: their quest for role domination to have a tendency to dehumanize
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: the men around them. They call it the Kardashian curse.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Nobody can replace their father, so everybody else is just
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: an archetype and a stand in and you know, blocking
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: and lighting. It's all very very sad. And what really
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: struck me was the part where they pivoted to Courtney's
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: birthday party and they were like, and you know, Colee's
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: gonna be forty next year. I said, damn, Sis, we're
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: still here. You're gonna be forty next year, and your
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: forty birthday gift is U was watching Tristan move back
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: in when he never moved out.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Baby, Baby, is that next season? I don't. I don't
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: want it.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: I don't want it.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: I I think we can bet everything in our bank
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: account that they're getting back together. Yeah, because because because
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: because common sense shows you that why if all of
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: this happening, if the end goal is just to say, oh,
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: we're good co parenting. I do agree that I do
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: still then getting back together. So what we do, see
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Blue is he and Kylie had a conversation because Kylie
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: kept telling Courtney, I mean not Courtney. Collie kept telling
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Chloe prior to her meeting with Tristan, I just want
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: the best for you, and I just think you deserve better.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: She's the most authentic part of that episode. Courtney was
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: the most fun disaster to watch. But I think Kylie's
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: love for her sister was so evident when she said
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: she's magic. I'm only doing this because Chloe is magic
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: and she deserves to be happy.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Yes, and she was all the truth.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: I believe that, Yeah, And it made me sad for
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Chloe to be like, even your the baby's sister, the
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: family is pretty in her twenties. It's even like, I
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: don't think any woman should deal with what you're dealing with.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: And yes, Tristan is nice and he's cool, but it's
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: not even worth it. So Tristan and his Calabasas accent
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: sat down in that voice, Babe, he's from Canada, right.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: It's like Toronto Calabasas. It's like Drake's leftovers. I don't
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: like it. I don't want it. I don't like it.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: So he's talking to Kylie kinda looks so uncomfortable, like
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: why my force is to this grown ass man about
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: what he does with his penis like out of my want.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: This conversation he apologizes to her, and in the midst
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: of that conversation one thing.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: He said that literally struck me again.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Blue Tristan said, I want to gain the respect back
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: of my family, and I kept rewinding get he said
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: my family, And I thought to myself, the kardash Chance
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: is not your family.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: You're not even married to Chloe. And that's when it
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: hit me.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: And everything you're saying leading up to this point is
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: accurate in the sense of this man really is doing
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: whatever it takes so that next season when he gets
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: down on bended knee and propose it to her, yes,
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: he all of this, Blue is to be in the
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: institution of the Kardashian family. It was a slip of
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: the tongue that really showed me that's the intention.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: My family. They're not your motherfucking family. Dude.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: Do you know where else you hear the terms like
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: my family using correctly When you're watching shows like Selling
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: Sunset and you're seeing people like a Manza, most toxic
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: companies call themselves your family. Isn't that true? Most times,
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: when you're working for a toxic corporation, they get you
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: by convincing you that they are your family. So I
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: think it tracks. He's a company man, just like Scott Disick,
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: who's on the world's longest freaking Goodbye tour? Can they
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: keep bringing them back? And that's, by the way, the
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Redemption of Scott has a has a has a crush
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: on on on Chloe, and Tristan is begging Chloe. The
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: whole episode was, Oh my god, all the men are
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: so we all just want Chloe want clothes so bad.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: It was so sad, y'all.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: And Kim too, Kim saying, oh, Chloe's the most fun.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: I want Chloe to be her hot girl Era you're
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: right there. Oh my god, I blew You're right.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: From Scott to Tristan to Kimberly, everybody is heralding Chloe
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: as no, she's this person because they all know she
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: does not feel that way about herself.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: I wonder if she was in the editing room, because
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: I'm like, did Chloe write the script? Like who's at
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: the bullet points? Because it's ma'am. Sometimes it's a writer.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: You need somebody else to like read it to be objective.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: It felt like she copy and edited the entire thing herself.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: Did The final edit said, yeah, this is the episode
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: Everybody loves Chloe. That's the name of the episodeverybody loves Chloe.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Not everybody loves Ray, but it's everybody loves Chloe.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: Everybody loves Chloe. It was heavy handed. Honey Jesus himself
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: could not get that many compliments in one episode. I
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: was like, my goodness, what else does she do that?
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: She saved a baby? Waial, Like what's happening? Chloe is magical,
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: Chloe is the best thing ever. Oh my god, some
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: residents sets on Chloe. Here comes Tristan. I just want
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: to know. I'm sorry for my penis. You know, I
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: didn't have a full other I was like, wow, this
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: is this is There's a lot of stereotypes being jammed
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: into one episode, which is why I will say this.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: The fun part in all this was Kim Kardashian in
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: the middle of the glory interest in the Paloty Tour.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: Honey is booked, Honey is winning, Honey is sought after. Okay,
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: she didn't even need a storyline. Her real life is
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: the storyline.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Kim said, while you are worried about chasing this community dick,
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: I'm out in the world collecting checks, collecting jobs, not sleep.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: But I Kim showed the badass that she is. Oh,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: and the thing was Scott this season, to me is
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: the fact that Scott is also I don't Scott doesn't
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: look healthy to me, He's.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: The original Tristan. He lost his parents, he was sad,
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: he stayed on the show. Like they've done this before.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: Guys like this is not as being see says like
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: we've seen it with Lamar with Scott, like same thing,
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: an orphaned man who's no longer technically with anybody, but
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: he's still being called family one time as a fluke
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: seven times in twenty seven seasons is a pattern. Let's
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: call a thing a thing. Beloved.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: Scott is the original Tristan. So he understand why Scott's
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: on the show because because.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: Chloe needs him. I used to be Courtney, but now
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: Courtney has gotten the other community dick from down the street.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: So now Courtney like they're just passing it around like
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: a party blunt. He was there to prompt up Courtney.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: Now he's there to prompt up Chloe Kim don't need
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: him sho, Like, what's up? Scott got my own story line.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: She was not into the conversation where they were talking
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: about like her script.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: She's a real life. That's what it looks like when
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: you were even Cotlie had a real life. She's like, Okay,
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: I did my thing. I'm gonna go see Timothy in Paris.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: By guys like the girls with the real lives barely
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: said they're bullet points. They're like, yeah, Cloye's the best. Okay, bye, guys.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: I was sad. It was sad. I'm so happy that
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: Courtney was in this episode, which shows guys the first
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: episode y'all saw me. And it wasn't because I hated Courtney.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: I just saim not someone who can lie, right. So
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: I told the truth about her then, and we're gonna
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: tell the truth about her now because I knew her
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: Ari's recklessness was going to be the part of the
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: programming that I needed. She got the same document, but
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: you could tell she read it in the angry voice.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Oh baby, she took them beats. So in reality TV
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: we call them beats. You when you have a a
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: an attention, when you're when you're filming a scene. They're
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: called beats that you talk about with the talent. So
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Courtney took her beats, and to your point, she made
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: it her own. Yes, it's like what your teacher said,
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: do not copy verbat up from the book, cite your
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: sources and making your own. That's what Courtney did. So
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: then it was Courtney's chance to have her sit down
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: with Tristan, and you could tell that Courtney is not
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: taking this shit seriously. She's laughing upon entry. She has
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: a notebook that she got from Walgreens. She has her
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: big ink pen, and she said, are you nervous And
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: he's like, yeah, betch because I'm pretty sure you're not
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: going to follow the script that Chloe and Chris Jenner
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: bro allegedly. So I am nervous because you already are
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: the wild card and the family. So one thing he
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: says to Courtney that almost made me throw my laptop
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: into the fireplace. This man says every time he cheats,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: he feels disgusted. The next day, Yeah, I was triggered
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: by that too, and I was like, oh, man, I
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: don't know if you're disgusted because of the amount of
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: condoms that's in the hotel brothel where you're sleeping with
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: these women is disgusting. I don't know if you're disgusted
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: because you have a hangover the next day and then
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: you really get to see how this woman.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Looks, who looks good in the club lighting.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you're disgusted because the next day
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: you see all of these misphone calls from Courtney.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Chloe. See I'm like, I'm.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Like Tristan who don't want to bang out of the
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: sisters or Travis.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Oh yes, allegedly allegedly allegedly.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: So are you disgusted because you see miscall some Chloe
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: and you're like, oh my gosh, I'm going to have
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: to go on this show and once again grabble back
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: to her because that's the only way I'm going to
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: get paid income. Because he's not getting paid income to
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: do the NBA job because he no longer has it.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Tristan's getting paid to be on this show. So what
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: do you feel about that? This man saying I feel
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: discussed the next day, if anything discussed me, I'm not
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: going to continue doing it if I feel so disgusted.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: Unless you're contractually obligated by the biggest conglomerate in the
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: world and entertainment. I feel like, honestly, I feel like
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: it's a sex addiction. I feel like Tristan has a
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: sex addiction, a lot of unresolved trauma, and has made
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: a deal with the devil proverbally speaking. And I do
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: feel like sometimes she does probably way to keep feeling
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: disgusted by his choices. But it's not because of the sex.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: It's because of He's like, how did I get myself here?
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: I've cheated on her again, even though on camera pretendent
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: we're not together anymore. I gotta go practice my lines
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: on the Uber ride the black car service over to
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: the set. I gotta go pick up Kim's kids, because
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: that's my storyline with hers, that pick up her kids,
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: because she won't talk to me otherwise. Like, it's a
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: lot to do today. He's probably a little depressed. I
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: do think that you're I'd be able with depressed two friend.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: It's a lot to do on a Tuesday, So I
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: do believe he wakes up disgusted, But I don't think
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: it's because the warm body next to them. It's because
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: of the totality of the deal that he struck and
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: he realizes that this is going to be the next
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: couple of years of his life. He is forever tethered
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: to them, the same way Scott was, the same way
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: Lamar always was, Like almost was. There's so much to
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: be said about how these men are getting trapped during
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: weekend moments, and how the scandals actually create the perfect
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: platform for them to become indungured servants. And so that's
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: why I loved Pete so much, because Pete was such
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: a wild card that you could tell he was only
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: there because he wanted to be there, You know what
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: I mean. You can tell the men who want to
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: be there versus the men who have to be there,
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: they move different.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Pete Davison wanted to be there, and perhaps he saw
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: how the machine was operating and said I got to go.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: He has mental health issues. His stapa is probably told
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: him to get out. To be honest, I always thought
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: that Pete was pulled out by his sturpist or somebody
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: who cared about him, because that machine will eat up
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: somebody who's healthy and he's not interesting.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: I think the only man who wanted to be there
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: and did not succumb to the pressures is also Chris Humphrey.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's his God. Though he's a church boy. Somebody
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: probably laid hands and prayed on him to pull him out.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: But yeah, that makes a lot of sense to me
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: because when you think about the men who have been
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: on the show, the ones who lasted long, and by long,
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: I meaning having a contract to appear on the show,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Scott dis Sick.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Lamar Rob the brother.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Chris Humphreys literally was hated by them because he was
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: the anti Kardashian.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: He called out the bullshit.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: And the integrity. He had integrity. He's a church going
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: man who had integrity, and his God wouldn't let him
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: serve someone else. I'm not even super Christian, and I
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: saw that. I was like, no, he's too god fearing.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: That's not gonna work. The deals you have to make.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: You can't go to church on Sunday after that. I'm
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: not saying they're bad people. I still live for the
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: glamour of it all, but there's a little bit of
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: soul crushing concessions that have to be made to be
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: part of that machine. And it's also a toxic matriarch.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: We talk about toxic patriarchs all the time, but I
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: said previously, because the original Robert Kardashian left, the women
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: Quist took over, right, and there's a toxic matriarch system
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: where the women are actually the ones who are the
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: power structure and the men are the accessories. It's almost
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: like a flip of regular society. And so, yeah, what happens.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: Usually if we flip the genders, we would totally understand it.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: That's what's crazy. If the Kardashians were men, and these
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: dating people, these lovers, these coming in and out folks,
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: were women, who would totally see it as clear as day.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: And because the genders are switched, it's harder and more covert.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: Because we don't think of women as being that that conniving,
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: that strategic, that power hungry, all the things that we
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: associate with men. These women are learning from Chris, and
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: so it's harder for us to pinpoint it and easier
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: for us to see it as endearing.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: I'm blown away by all of this. I'm fascinated as well.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: And that also explains that the Bruce Jenner transitioning into
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: into Caitlin. Mind you, he felt this. Bruce at the
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: time felt this way prior to being married to Chris,
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: but to your point when you are the matriarch of
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: this institution, yep, right, and you're raising these women to
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: follow orders because of the money and the and the
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: amount of access that you have.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: And I'm with you. I love them.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: It's great television. I love the glamor of the access
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: and the hustle bustle. But one thing that you and
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: I do in this podcast is we take it from
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: a psychological standpoint. And I think about that, and I
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: think about the many men who have calm and gone
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: and how I literally and I want you to help
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: me because I may be wrong. I don't know a
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: man that has been a part of that infrastructure that
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: has come out of it unscathed.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and the one who did is very annoyed with them, right,
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: Chris is very annoyed. Steve what's his name, the one
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: from sen now can forget Pete, Steve Simeons. Pete was
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: a free bird, so he was a wildcard to begin with.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: He wasn't part of the game plan. Kim did not
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: expect to be so charmed by him. You could tell
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: it was like, oh, we got work them into the
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: script now because we didn't expect this. So it's It's
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: interesting that the two men who made it out. One
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: is such a wildcard. It was impossible for you to
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: cajun down the other one so god fearing he couldn't
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: stomach it. Yeay, who understands the machine? If you talk
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: to him, or if you heard him talk after he left,
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: some of the stuff he's saying in the middle of
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: those rants is not all wrong. There's a couple of
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: times when you'll hear Kanye rant about stuff about the
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: Kardashians and how they work, where you're like, even though
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: I think you're in the middle of an episode, even
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: a broken clock is right twice a day. So if
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: you really really think about it, there are some themes
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: that all the men have in common. Right, But what
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: happens there is a thing called trauma bonding where the
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: very person who abuses you is also the one who
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: wants to be your salvation. People use that word in correctly.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: Trauma bonding is not bonding about a bad boyfriend in
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: the bathroom at a club. So, because there's so much
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: trauma bonding happening with these women where they are taking
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: advantage of you but then also being your nurture and
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: your savior. When she hits the fan. It makes it
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: really tricky for you to get out because you're like, damn,
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: I don't want to be a part of this. But
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: I'm in a position now where this is all I
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: have left.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: This is all I have left, and this is all
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: I know, And it takes me when I say to you, Blue,
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: you are.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: A bad bit.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: One thing that I just thought about is Robert Kardashian
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: Senior and how And I don't know if a lot
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: of people know this. Yes, they know that that Chris
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: had an affair on Robert, but I don't think a
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: lot of people know this. Robert Kardashian Senior hired a
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: private investigator to snoop on Chris because he was suspecting
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: that something wasn't wasn't right in terms of their marriage.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: He discovered that Chris was cheating on him with a
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: with a young person. He the guy was much younger,
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: like in his twenties. I think a soccer player, soccer
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: not soccer player, soccer coach, tennis coach, one of those things.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: And it took Robert Kardashian Senior, a powerful man, a
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: powerful attorney, to know that my wife cheating on me
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: once and.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: He divorced her immediately.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: And I always thought that was interesting, like, well, why
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: did he make it work? Like, Okay, she made a mistake.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: She made a mistake. Based on this conversation I'm having
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: with you, I think Robert knew you cheating on me
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: has nothing to do with with with a sex thing.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: It was a power move, exactly. It was a power move.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: And I think I don't know what Robert discovered in
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: that private investigation, but I think Robert discovered that this woman,
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: to your point, Blue, you're so smart, this woman plays
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: like the big boys that I that I am in
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: the country club with, that I go golfing with, that
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: I'm in the courtroom with. I think he was so
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: disturbed that who he thought was like this susie homemaker.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that took care of all the kids. Had enough,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: had enough?
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Ooh, she was so secretive and got away with it,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: and she was so maniacal. She did everything that I
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: know men do that I think in his heart of hearts,
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: I could never trust her again.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: He knows he's a lawyer, he knows an adversary when
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: he sees one. And let's be honest, the girls have
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: hinted at this for years they have. They always say
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: that our dad was such a good man, but they
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: got left with the conniving one when he passed, and
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: she groomed them and made them successful and made all
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: their dreams come true. They were the original prototype what
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: they're doing to the men Chris to them, I'm the
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: only thing you got that is gone right, and I
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: have the keys of the kingdom. You're coming or not.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: And they're now giving that same speech. It's like Mary Kay,
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: It's like an mllll skiing the same thing she did
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: to them, they're now doing to other people in a
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: weird way. I feel bad for the whole ecosystem because
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: the head of the snake is really Chris And I'm
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: impressed by her because I like strategy. Like strategically speaking,
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: she's brilliant, right, She's probably one of the most brilliant.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: We always joke Jenner is a brilliant mastermind, but I
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: don't think people sit with it because she's still a woman.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: I don't think people really sit with how much of
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: a mastermind she is.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: Chris Jenner. In my opinion, you can call me on this.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Chris Jenner is the most brilliant person of the twenty
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: first century.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: Not not.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Steve Jobs, not Jeff Bezos, not Elon Musk, not Bill Gates.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: You are right, Blue, the reason why.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Chris Jenner will go down in history as the most
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: brilliant person because I'm with you, if she had a penis,
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: we would be heralding her on covers of magazines and worshiping.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: Her the way they do these men.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Chris Jenner is the most brilliant, whether you call it evil,
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: brilliant or not. She is so brilliant because this woman
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: with no college education. Let's talk about it. Because most
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: of the men that I named went to college and
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: have a degree. This woman with no college education single
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: handedly took her daughters, okay and created a multi billion
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: dollar industry to the point where when when when Bruce
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Jenner at the time he was Bruce, When Bruce Jenner
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: went to E and said, I want I'm transitioning into
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: Caitlyn to a woman, and I want to do a show,
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: and the hit of E said, Okay, I have to
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: talk to Chris first, yep. And And what that meant, guys,
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: is the had of the network. E, all of E
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: could not make a decision about that show without getting
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: Chris's approval, So Caitlyn's show.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: That lasted I think one or two seasons at the most.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: It was weird. It was weird show. I tried to
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: watch it.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: It was not good at all. Chris had to approve it.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: Black China Rob Show was pitched from Black China's attorney, allegedly,
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: and when they brought it to E, E called Chris
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: and said, just so you know, we're being pitched as
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: black and tying a rob show, And all of a sudden,
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Chris Jenna was the EP along with the sisters. So
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: we don't talk about how this woman who was a
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: housewife took her children and made them billionaires. And one
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: thing she said on this season was she looks at
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: her kids and she wonders sometimes if she made a
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: mistake because they're not happy.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Ah. The thing about Chris is I feel people
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: are like, well, you must hate her. No, I actually
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: feel neutral because my shock and awe and mild disdain
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: for the lack of morality and some of it is
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: like a counterbalance by how deeply impressed I am by
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: the brilliance. And I don't know if that says about me,
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: like I'm always gonna in some way clap for talent
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: regardless of how it's being used. And I do think
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: that she was the original prototype. She pulled it off.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: Kim was her two point zero, Kylie was her three
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: point zero. Courtney and Chloe, they just are the mezzanine
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: level they play around with that Rob we didn't even
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: need him because I'm making it in my image. You
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: know how God made Jesus in his image. It feels
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: very much like that. It's a God complex. Chris Jenna's
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: legacy is forever, forever steeped in history because she's made
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: several iterations of herself and spread them out globally with
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: minimal talent. These girls are learning on the job. Working
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: hard and being talented are not the same thing.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: They're learning on the job.
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: They're failing upwards. Usually only men can help their children
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: fill upwards. Chris Jenner cracked patriarchy. Guys like it's a
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: big deal. But because she's a woman, nobody's talking about it.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: So poor Tristan, poor mumble mouthed high booty Tristan never
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: saw a chance and that's why he's on the pology
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: to a full circle.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, so I have to invite you back because we're
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: going I.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Didn't know that at the end of this episode it
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: would be the it would be you and I cracking
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: the cold of Chris Jenner.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: All roads leads back to Chris Jenner.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: You and I need to do a future episode on
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: the mind of Chris Jenner because I'm with you. I'm fascinated,
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: like beyond fascinated by what she's cultivated, and I'm with you.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: I don't hate Chris. I don't hate the Kardashians. I
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: actually love them. Every powerful person in the world they
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: have something interesting about them that you either love or hate.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: Right, it is what it is.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: No powerful person becomes powerful because they always play nice
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: in the sandbox. That is just it doesn't work out
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: that way, right, It just doesn't.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: Power requires concessions to be made. It's impossible to be
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: powered without making concessions. And power is polarizing. So you
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: know you're powerful when you've had to make some deals
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: that made you have to hold your breath a little bit,
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: and some people love you, peopleho hate you. That's power.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: If everybody likes you, you're not powerful. You're power with
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: the water girl, Like, that's not how it works.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: If everybody likes you. You're not powerful. You are the
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: water girl.
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: Crunching a thirst and being powerful two very different things.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: Blue.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, so rain drops tweet Blue an eye and let
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: us know if you want us to dedicate an episode
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: to the mind of Chris Jenner, where she and I
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: will do a deep dive from her childhood to now
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: because every step she has taken, like Blue has intimated,
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: has worked because they learned on the job, and they
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: filled up in some cases. Because we'll get into this
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: credit card that they had.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: That was.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: That's a whole other episode.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: Say, Baby Blue, this was another genius episode brought by you.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: I'm gagging. I'mnav to sit on this for a second.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: But us and for all, let the world know where
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: they can find you, follow you and support you, my love.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: Okay, Well, first thing is my good is telling me
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: the Chris Janner episode should come after the finale because
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: we want to see her endgame for this season. Job.
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: I need to see the board mapped out so I
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: can see, so where did she take us this season?
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: Because mother has a story arc, you know, she has
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: a grand finale for us, and I can't wait to
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: see what that is. I'm nervous. If you guys want
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: to find me, you can find me at Blue Centric.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: I'm an emotional intelligence coach. So there's a link on
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: a Blue Centric on Instagram and Twitter and at blueslusemo
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: on TikTok where you can sign up with me to
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: take emotional intelligence classes. Because what I'm doing with Carlos
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: here is a muscle. Everybody can be this emotionally intelligence.
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: It's just takes practice.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Please follow her like please, she is a pop culture phenomena.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: She's highly educated and like she says, she's a coach
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: and she looks at things from a deep psychological standpoint
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: in addition to astrology.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm having a fun girls. Astrology, psychology, emotional intelligence,
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: let's get into it. I like people, I like humanizing people.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yeah, yeah yes.
• 48:07
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• 48:09
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