Latest / For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast / #382 - For Azeroth!: “Preeminence"
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- 0:00Back. Welcome back.
- 0:03OK, I had. A good hold on, I'm going to put
- 0:04some nuts in my mouth. We're going to use that as a
- 0:08cold opener. Victory for the Forsaken, for
- 0:11Lauderon for the Karen Tour, for Pandaria.
- 0:19For calendar to the. Burning region for Gilneus, but
- 0:25has not done for the Lich King, for the Sindori, for the
- 0:32Alliance, for the. Horn.
- 0:36For Azeroth. Hello and welcome back to
- 0:41another episode of For Azeroth. I am your host Manny, AKA the
- 0:45Truvan Manny. And joining me is not Lex.
- 0:49She is away this week and will be returning in two weeks time
- 0:54but the show must go on. So joining me from one of his
- 0:58villas in the east we have Sean. Hello Sean, how are you and how
- 1:03is the World of Warcraft cheating you this week?
- 1:06Hi Manny, I'm doing quite well. We actually have had a a banger
- 1:11week. No banner.
- 1:12A banner week. That's the phrase that old
- 1:14people say in Warcraft. This week my Guild killed Crown
- 1:19of the Cosmos Mythic on Sunday. We jumped about 100 world ranks
- 1:24because we were able to kill it much faster than I guess some of
- 1:28our other teams around us and we're getting ready to work on
- 1:32the bird. We're bringing Bella Ren and
- 1:34hopefully we get that down. I am in for Bella Ren because
- 1:39not not because Prot Warrior is especially strong on it, though
- 1:41it is good. The mobility is good, but
- 1:44because arms and Fury do negative damage, I think they
- 1:47actually heal the egg during the egg phase.
- 1:51They do so little damage to the egg face.
- 1:53So. But I'm in for that fight.
- 1:55I, I, I will unfortunately miss our Sunday raid, not this week,
- 2:00but next week because I will be in London for LFG.
- 2:03But we have our DPS warrior who's going to fill in for
- 2:06fraught for me for that week, that night.
- 2:08Yeah. Yeah.
- 2:10So that's, that's how that's been going.
- 2:12It's been going really well. And I've been sort of enjoying
- 2:15my time in Warcraft slowing down a little bit.
- 2:18I have like really pumped the brakes on all of my alts and
- 2:24yeah, yeah. I mean, that's how about you?
- 2:29Well, let's let's say congratulations on the the crown
- 2:33kill. That's great.
- 2:35I'd love to actually talk a little bit about your prep on
- 2:39for like Bellerin, Bellerin, but for people who are listening to
- 2:43this on audio, Sean is streaming.
- 2:46So we're doing this on his stream and after this stream,
- 2:50sorry, rather after the show completes, we're going to be
- 2:53doing more of his stream and he's going to be doing the prep
- 2:55there. So make sure you do check out
- 2:57the VOD and check out Sean's stream.
- 2:59But it's not just one team you're rating with.
- 3:02You've got a number of teams that you're rating with,
- 3:04including your weekend team. And I think they're doing some
- 3:07gangbusters as well. How they doing?
- 3:09Yeah, I, I forgot about them. They also did really well.
- 3:12So we have a, a weekend team. It's one night of Prague a week
- 3:16for two hours. So Saturday night for two hours,
- 3:18that's our Prague. And we just killed Midnight
- 3:23Falls Saturday previous, so like 5 days ago as of recording.
- 3:27Four days ago as of recording, we do like some of us get
- 3:31together on Friday and do a it would be a pug if we ever had
- 3:35not enough people show up, but we've had enough people show up
- 3:38every week. So we do like our farm then and
- 3:41that's still a 2 hour window. So while the Prague is just
- 3:44Saturdays for two hours, you could make the argument that
- 3:48because we clear the raid on farm on Friday that you you
- 3:51could argue that it it's two nights a week.
- 3:53But whether or not people showed up, I would still be pugging.
- 3:56I don't consider the, you know, my, my raid team euphoric is a
- 4:01two night a week Guild, but I play 5 days, I play seven days a
- 4:04week. I don't consider as a seven day
- 4:05a week Guild because I'm doing mythic plus and prep and stuff
- 4:08outside of those times. Our Prague metric tonight.
- 4:10So anyway, our, our, our Rd. team.
- 4:12It was and I'm really proud of that because a lot of the people
- 4:15hadn't rated in a long time and some of them hadn't rated at a
- 4:22really high level before. We do have some that are like
- 4:24former mythic Raiders and some that are coming back that are,
- 4:26are very skilled players. So that helps a lot.
- 4:29But yeah, we we killed Lura. It was one, it took US1 full
- 4:34night of Prague. So we had 20 minutes on her the
- 4:37previous Saturday and then 10 minutes of setting up the
- 4:39Northern sky add on so that we could use the memory game
- 4:45components to that. And then this Saturday it was an
- 4:50hour and a half. I think we we had 30 minutes
- 4:52left in the raid I think when we killed her.
- 4:53So hour and a half of Prague it went super honest to honest to
- 4:57goodness. The hardest part was me not
- 5:00dying while entering the macros for the mini game and tanking
- 5:03the boss. I was the biggest problem.
- 5:06So yeah, it it went really well. It was good.
- 5:09We had a lot of folks. So we're doing one more heroic
- 5:11clear this weekend and then we're we took a poll to see if
- 5:15the team wants to try to dabble in mythic.
- 5:18And if we get, you know, 15 to 18 people that say yes, the 20
- 5:22man team, then we'll probably, we'll probably do some, some
- 5:26light mythic stuff. Not it would be we would cap at
- 5:29like Chimeris and then two or three bosses and void Spire.
- 5:33We would not get higher than that if we do it.
- 5:36So yeah, but it's been good. It's been a good time.
- 5:39OK, lot of fun. So then to answer your question
- 5:42on my end, yeah, we are going through I'm still rating with
- 5:45two teams going to finish out the the tier and then I'm going
- 5:50to drop back down to one team. So that means like back to more
- 5:58manageable hours for my rating. I I'm sorry, doing 5 hours a
- 6:03night for two nights at 10 hours of rating is just like, it's a,
- 6:07it's a little bit much for me. I know after what you've just
- 6:11said with your like 2 nights on one team and two nights on
- 6:14another team is just like. Wait, you raid for five hours in
- 6:18a city? I go from one team directly into
- 6:22the other team if one team ends fast enough.
- 6:28I got you. I was thinking it was 5 hours
- 6:30for each. Like one team was rating five
- 6:33hours straight. That's what I thought you were.
- 6:34Saying, yeah. And so I was doing it on the 2
- 6:37characters because like you had said, you don't want to do the
- 6:40loot lockout. I was exploring the different
- 6:42characters and all of that. And no, I was I was having I was
- 6:47just burning out and then rather going to the point where I just
- 6:51was hating the game. I have just been pulling back.
- 6:54So warlock is officially an alt, which is sad because I do love
- 6:58playing that warlock. I switched the shaman over to
- 7:01elemental in the last couple of weeks as being like re gearing,
- 7:05learning and everything so I can do damage.
- 7:08It's inconsistent. There are I am still trying to
- 7:11learn to pull my my maelstrom to go into the next pool and all
- 7:14that sort of stuff on mythic plus.
- 7:16And the reason I remember this is because Windrunner Spire, I
- 7:21was so focused on some things that like some of the mechanics,
- 7:24I was just like going right out of my head.
- 7:28So getting rid of the curse on the undead boss or like going
- 7:35and getting another arrow to get rid of the the dot when you're
- 7:39doing the final boss. Those were things that I was
- 7:42like forgetting while trying to do my DPS and the T, the T that
- 7:46I ran with because I'm plugging through all of these, they they
- 7:48were not happy with me. They were like, you might not be
- 7:51ready. For 13th, I was on that team,
- 7:54no. No, no, this was a different
- 7:55team. Oh oh I was going to say I we
- 7:58ran everyone winners by together.
- 7:59I definitely did not say that to you. 5 hours at a time rating is
- 8:03not When I was rating with Faith for Forged and Euphoric.
- 8:06My raid days were Thursday, Sunday for both teams and it was
- 8:093 hours for you, faith for Forged and three hours for your
- 8:12fork. But I had a 3 or 4 hour window
- 8:16in between where I could break. But you could do.
- 8:19Syncing them up on the same day. I think is smart because you get
- 8:21all of it done in one day. You basically just block 2 days
- 8:24off of your calendar instead of blocking off 4.
- 8:26But you need going from one rate right into another.
- 8:29That is that. I can't believe you've done it
- 8:31this long in the tier. Yeah, especially when it's like,
- 8:34oh, we get it, just one more pool and I and I have to be
- 8:36like, no guys, I'm the bad guy, I'm out.
- 8:38Yeah, I don't have a choice. I got to leave.
- 8:40Like drop from Discord, like like Cinderella man, just turn
- 8:43into a pumpkin and so don't like that.
- 8:45How far? How far along are those teams?
- 8:47So one team is on Midnight Falls trying to get the AOTC.
- 8:54We've got through phase one fairly consistently,
- 9:00intermission by the end of the night fairly consistently.
- 9:05Phase 2 still, still figuring that out.
- 9:10I would say the other team is working on Bellerin and I think
- 9:15that's because they got crown and then went to Bellerin while
- 9:22one team did Bellerin and then did crown.
- 9:25So like I think by the end of this week both teams will be on
- 9:30be Midnight Falls if not AOTC just because Bellman heroic is
- 9:35not the the monster that it is on mythic.
- 9:39Yeah, I'm going to ask you some questions now, because this is
- 9:41what I do when I hear somebody's progging a boss.
- 9:44What? How are you solving the memory
- 9:46gain from Midnight Falls? So we have one person who is
- 9:51assigned to call it out. They are not using any kind of
- 9:56add on, they are just remembering it themselves and.
- 9:59Just repeating it. And then repeating it.
- 10:02And they've been pretty consistent.
- 10:04I was like, oh, OK, this doesn't seem that bad now in Phase 3
- 10:11when we're back out again, right?
- 10:14Is it only in Mythic where it's in the different layer?
- 10:17So yeah, I think this this should go through just fine,
- 10:20assuming that that person and their backup, there's a backup,
- 10:25don't fall over dead by the time we get there.
- 10:28OK, we tried that. We did.
- 10:31We gave that 20 minutes and I unilaterally made the decision
- 10:37to not do that, that we would use the the tool.
- 10:40I didn't force the tool on anybody, like anybody who didn't
- 10:42want to use it. It wasn't required to.
- 10:44But I think 19 of our twenty players swapped to it and then
- 10:48we had 0 memory game fails from that point forward.
- 10:52Wiping to that mechanic isn't something I'm interested in
- 10:54doing in progging. So that's why we we went with
- 10:56it. But if, if they're calling out
- 10:57is working, that's great. I just think having that visual
- 11:00on the screen for players is good.
- 11:01And it takes a little bit of the heavy lifting off of one person
- 11:04being responsible for the whole thing.
- 11:07Yeah, I, I'm all about cutting down, cutting down poles in P2.
- 11:11Let's talk about P2. I love P2 as well.
- 11:14Are you using the method where you put the four markers down,
- 11:17you assign the groups to them and then just tell them two
- 11:19steps to the right and then the next beam you're just on the
- 11:21marker and then just two steps to the left?
- 11:24Or are you having them move around and try to track them?
- 11:27No, minimize movement on that 'cause then otherwise they might
- 11:30like run over the crystal and ZAP the crystal and that sort of
- 11:33thing. So it is markers down make micro
- 11:37adjustments so that you you line them up.
- 11:40And then the problem with that is that sometimes the person
- 11:46who's got the beam does the micro adjustment and there's a
- 11:49they adjust like left instead of right.
- 11:52So there becomes a gap and then they have to start compensating
- 11:54for that gap. And that's what we're trying to
- 11:56get people not to do. Yeah.
- 11:58So if you if you put the markers down at the four cardinal
- 12:01points, when you look at the map itself, there's 4 spikes in the
- 12:07in the ring in the ground of that map, there's 4 spikes.
- 12:10And if you put the markers down on those spikes, you you never
- 12:15have to guess. The first beam is 2 steps to the
- 12:19right of the marker and it will hit every time.
- 12:22The next beam is directly on the marker and it will hit every
- 12:25time. And then the last beam is 2
- 12:27steps to the left. But there's only one or but for
- 12:29each person at that point. So you should, nobody should
- 12:31ever be left to. And I say this, I guess if
- 12:36people want to play this way, they can.
- 12:37But in my like, it should be a completely controlled dance
- 12:40where it's always a perfect cross.
- 12:42So everybody should be moving the the exact same direction
- 12:45every time. And it's it that if with the
- 12:47markers in those spots, 2 to the right, like 2 steps, it's 2
- 12:50steps, but your your beam is still touching.
- 12:52I could bring up the stream. I'm going to show you you.
- 12:56Don't you don't need to bring up the screen, but like that's
- 12:58true. Like what what we're doing is
- 13:00instead of it being a full cross, we're doing like a very
- 13:05narrow X. So like, you know.
- 13:08The that's ready check pull recommends that it's it's not it
- 13:12it is it's a it's a bad the bad way to do it.
- 13:15The I, I, I don't want to, I don't want to talk about my, my,
- 13:19my raid leader. But when they make up their mind
- 13:21about something, good luck trying to convince them about
- 13:24anything else. There's.
- 13:26A couple of bosses this year were ready check pull I I am a
- 13:29huge ready check pull fan. I, I, you check their videos.
- 13:32I am an Excelsior level patron. At the start of each season.
- 13:36I am usually like a huge advocate, but there have been a
- 13:40couple of bosses this year where the strategy that they advocate
- 13:42for is not the easiest or the best.
- 13:47And they're the one that they advocate for specifically in
- 13:50that one is not either. It's if you do a perfect, the
- 13:54perfect cross is it's. It completely turns off any room
- 13:59for error in that mechanic. I disagree.
- 14:02OK so here's the thing. The perfect cross is good when
- 14:06you have people who are consistent.
- 14:08The people the the perfect cross is good when you have people who
- 14:11are consistent as that consistency waivers the chances
- 14:17of you hitting one of the the orbs as people freak out and
- 14:24make more adjustments than they should right increases because
- 14:27you can't drop the the crystals further away as you can in their
- 14:32X. There's also the thing that we
- 14:33encountered and hi Axe, I see you there don't get don't send
- 14:37that back. There's also the thing where
- 14:38people would run out of their line prematurely, pick up the
- 14:41crystal, not realize they have the crystal because they are
- 14:45focused on other things. And now they run that back in
- 14:47for the next one and it's like, no, no, drop the crystal, drop
- 14:50the crystal. And yeah, we've had a wipe where
- 14:52somebody accidentally ran into the line with the crystal and
- 14:57killed the solve. That I mean you can't fix that,
- 15:00but the the perfect X removes inconsistency because the ray
- 15:03leader just says everybody 2 steps right?
- 15:06And like you, it's not a question of will players
- 15:09consistently do the right thing. They're they're literally only
- 15:12doing what they're told and it like it.
- 15:14I don't know. It's just it is it is much
- 15:16easier it it works in pugs, it works in I've killed that boss a
- 15:20lot and that strategy is by far it's it's it is foolproof.
- 15:25It it it like it it cannot fail as long as everybody just does
- 15:28what they're told to do I I I'm a huge advocate for I I would I
- 15:32would suggest re looking ready check poll.
- 15:33Like I said this week did not do do in that in that fight.
- 15:40I didn't, I don't agree with that that solution that they
- 15:43came up with. It can work but it's but anytime
- 15:45you're progging a boss, whether it's heroic, mythic or normal,
- 15:48whatever your difficulty level is, the 100% best thing is
- 15:52consistent pulls and things removing chance.
- 15:56If you can remove chance you are able to replicate it and get
- 16:00further in the in the fight. So if you remove the the if you
- 16:04remove the chance for people to miss those beams you then P2
- 16:09becomes automatic. Now your crystal people can get
- 16:11better used to dropping crystals and getting in in soaks like
- 16:15you. It's just removing chance,
- 16:17removing RNG the closer you can get to a scripted fight.
- 16:20Is is is going to support that? Nick in chat mentioned that.
- 16:25I mentioned it to them as well face or forge during their
- 16:27progress. So I I helped them out with a
- 16:29bit of some of the Strat stuff and they swapped to it and then
- 16:31never missed another planet. I have to.
- 16:35Say that one of the like hidden joys of rating with two teams is
- 16:41watching the different teams do different strats for the same
- 16:44fight and just seeing like the difference in like how it works
- 16:49out. It's it's pretty.
- 16:51It's pretty cool. So I I do enjoy that.
- 16:55We'll see how it goes. I'm pretty sure I'd love to see
- 16:58what my other team goes with if this gets suggested to the the
- 17:03earlier team and if they adopt it, we'll see see how that goes.
- 17:09I'm not going to say anything. I I'm OK dealing with a little
- 17:12bit more just to see how it goes.
- 17:16But yeah, so that's that's basically been my week.
- 17:19I have also bounced off of 12 point O .5 I every single thing
- 17:30that's offered in 12 point O .5 I have just flipped to the bird
- 17:34and said I'm not dealing with it right now.
- 17:36I'm going to go work on other things other than of course the
- 17:41void forge with the bonus rolls because why would I do that to
- 17:46myself? And I was really happy that
- 17:48after we had finished last episode that they had again made
- 17:53a number of hot fixes and they had done a post apologizing for
- 18:01the state of 12 point O .5. Kyvax went to many different
- 18:04things, including the forums to apologize for that and just talk
- 18:09about how they were going to do better.
- 18:12But it's just a post. It was words.
- 18:15I was hoping to follow up with action.
- 18:18Obviously the mass amount of hot fixes is great, but we got an
- 18:23interview from Taliesin and Avatel where they talked about
- 18:28that more in depth. And so Sean, give us a little
- 18:31bit of a rundown on like 'cause it covered a lot.
- 18:33So let's talk about one part part of it first.
- 18:36Go ahead about the you want. Me to talk specifically about
- 18:40the past rollout and how awful it went.
- 18:43So they they explained 5 XS post explained why and Paul Cubitt
- 18:49goes a little bit more into it in the interview.
- 18:50And it was basically that their internal tests, the internal
- 18:54development servers are not set up the same way that the live
- 18:57realms are. So the PTR isn't set up the same
- 18:59way as the live realms are in that information is stored in
- 19:03different databases. So it's stored on realm servers
- 19:07in one space and somewhere else in another.
- 19:10But this was how they identified that the error was able to
- 19:14happen in the duplicates of bonus loot and all went to great
- 19:20lengths to let us know that, hey, we hear this and we're
- 19:22going to make sure this doesn't happen again.
- 19:25But I didn't hear any actions. I like, like, I would really
- 19:32like to know like I, I, I'm glad that you recognize that, you
- 19:36know now what the error was. I kind of feel like you should
- 19:39have known that they were pulling from different databases
- 19:41from your internal development realms and the live realms.
- 19:44I think that's something that maybe should have been known
- 19:48ahead of time, but I didn't hear any actions and we, we haven't
- 19:52like, I want to know as a, as a, as a player who is really
- 19:56invested in this game and loves this game, I would like to know
- 20:00what you're going to do to ensure this doesn't happen
- 20:03again. Are you just going to implement
- 20:04another layer of checks where you verify that everything is
- 20:08pointing to the right spot? Are you going to change the way
- 20:11that you handle the internal databases so that they mirror
- 20:14the, the, the, the live servers? What?
- 20:17What are you doing? Don't just tell me you're going
- 20:20to do better. It's like, I want to know what
- 20:24you're going to do to improve. And this is, I mean, you can
- 20:26take this back to to rating as well.
- 20:28If you have a player, you say you're progging a boss that will
- 20:31will you. We'll talk about Crown of the
- 20:32Cosmos because I'm familiar with it.
- 20:33We were just progging. They have a player who dies to
- 20:36they get shot by other people's obelisks consistently a couple
- 20:39of times in a row because they're in the wrong spot.
- 20:42I, I, I don't want to come over comms and say to that person,
- 20:45hey, you keep dying to this and have them say, yeah, I know I'm
- 20:48going to figure it out. I want to know what you know by
- 20:51the third death. I need you to tell me what
- 20:54you're going to do differently to make sure you're not dying to
- 20:57the same mechanic. Though I'm glad that they have
- 20:59said, hey, we recognize this isn't up to our standard, which
- 21:01I 100% think was only done because it hit larger media
- 21:05outlets. I don't think this comment if if
- 21:08PC Gamer and and IGN are not picking up these news articles
- 21:13about how bad the patch launched.
- 21:15I don't think we're getting apology.
- 21:17Well, I think. That that itself wouldn't have
- 21:20happened if the community wasn't so loud about it.
- 21:23That PC game was like, oh, this is worth writing about, Yeah.
- 21:27Exactly. But I, I like, I, I'm glad they
- 21:29recognized what caused that specific issue and that they're,
- 21:33you know, hey, we're going to do better.
- 21:36How how are you going to do better?
- 21:38Let tell us because unfortunately at this point, you
- 21:44know, with the track record we have and you know, they say
- 21:46death of 1000 cuts and you never know when that first cut was.
- 21:49Some people would say it was BFA, some would say it was
- 21:52shadow lands with the covenants. But wherever it is, you know,
- 21:55we're at a point now where just telling me you're going to do
- 21:57better isn't enough. You know, I need to know how
- 22:00like I for this relationship to continue.
- 22:03I need to see or be told exact steps you're going to take.
- 22:09We don't have that yet, so we're definitely still in the
- 22:13counselling required phase of our relationship.
- 22:18Yeah, I I think that one of the things that was said in the fast
- 22:23Discord bit dot LY slash fast Discord if you want to join in
- 22:26the conversation, was that your test environment has to mirror
- 22:31your live environment. I, I think that even if you do a
- 22:36checklist of we're going to double check it, we're going to
- 22:39check it three times, there's still things that are going to
- 22:42fall through when you do something like that just because
- 22:46of the, because of the nature of some bugs you've never
- 22:50encountered before. So you don't know to check them
- 22:52at all. And just having the, the
- 22:56environment mirrored means that you, those things will like
- 23:01actually be expressed on your test environment, which is the
- 23:04easiest way to find it. So instead of having one realm
- 23:09as a test realm, spin up two, right?
- 23:13Yes, spinning up two is going to be more.
- 23:17But then at least when they're looking for that stuff, it's
- 23:20it'll happen rather than one round for testing.
- 23:24And so nothing at the higher level is ever touched and
- 23:28anything like that. So I would have loved that.
- 23:31That would have been a quick little line to like it, help
- 23:34ensure that hey, like any bug of this nature is now, it will be
- 23:40way easier for us to catch. I'd also would have liked them
- 23:44to say that like we're hiring additional manpower because one
- 23:51of the things that came up this week was former, sorry, he
- 23:57wasn't president. They they dropped that role.
- 23:59He was the Co lead, the former Co lead and then they dropped
- 24:03the other Co lead. Mike Yabara said that Blizzard
- 24:09needs to do a restart reset to like right the ship which is
- 24:16which was met with the appropriate response from the
- 24:19from most of the player base, which is.
- 24:23Aren't you the guy who said that QA isn't really a career path?
- 24:28Aren't you the guy who like SAT at the helm while they while the
- 24:33team lost 1900 staff, staff members?
- 24:39Aren't you the the guy who like shredded the QA department while
- 24:45your tenure was going? So it really feels plastic.
- 24:50We're going to say plastic for him to stay like, Oh, yeah, it's
- 24:53got to do better than this when a lot of the the issues were
- 24:59compounded by what he did, when he was, when he actually had the
- 25:02power to do anything. Yeah.
- 25:05I would I would suggest everyone do with Mikey Barra what I did
- 25:11when it became super apparent that he was just a corporate
- 25:16shill. And that is block him and stop
- 25:19giving any weight to anything he says because he's a useless 2
- 25:24faced human being and his words aren't worth the effort it takes
- 25:29to read them. He contributed nothing to
- 25:32Blizzard as a company other than to have them be acquired by
- 25:34Microsoft. He made lives miserable for the
- 25:38staff that were there. I don't think anybody misses
- 25:40him. And he was carried to every
- 25:42single title and achievement he ever got in the game by players
- 25:45who were much more skilled than he was.
- 25:47So yeah. Yeah, blocky Barra.
- 25:50I have no desire to to hear anything that that that windbag
- 25:56has to say. He's he might as well be.
- 25:59I almost said Atchison. He might as well be as been gold
- 26:01for me. I spent so little time thinking
- 26:03of Asman gold now that when I reach for the a name of the
- 26:06person who sucks, the first one I thought of was was Atchison
- 26:10who does not suck. Atchison is lovely.
- 26:15Atchison is lovely. I I was going to start going to
- 26:20a conversation about nuance about like levels of bad, but
- 26:23you know what? Toss them all out.
- 26:25We don't need to sort that out. I don't it's.
- 26:27I mean honestly, I it's not. I make extensive use of mute and
- 26:31block on social media. I just don't have the energy.
- 26:35It's bad enough that I get so much force fed into my feed
- 26:39despite my massive firewall from the horrible country to the
- 26:44South of us and their clown show of an administration.
- 26:48I don't need it in my hobbies. I don't let's.
- 26:50So yeah, I with the nuclear precision, and by that I mean
- 26:55all of it, just burn it all that I remove any mention of American
- 27:00politics from my feeds. I do the same with people like
- 27:04Ibarra because not worth it. Well, I, I have to say that that
- 27:09would not work for me. I'm not actively on Twitter
- 27:12anymore. So the way that I came across it
- 27:16was that another game article decided to write about it.
- 27:22And so I saw it and I was like, what?
- 27:24Check this headline, saw it, decided that OK, I'll go check
- 27:28to verify that's true, 'cause like, you know, you can't just
- 27:31go by headlines and articles anymore.
- 27:33And yet it happened. So there we go that.
- 27:37But that that Paul Cuban interview with Taliesin ever
- 27:39tell there was a lot of good gems in there.
- 27:40I'd like to pivot to something positive from that interview.
- 27:44They talked about gearing and how, you know, Taliesin asked
- 27:47how gearing is so much faster this season than it has been and
- 27:51how does how does the team feel about it?
- 27:52Where do they land on it? And Paul Cuban gave some really
- 27:55good insight where he said that at the top end, gearing isn't
- 27:59really much faster than what we've seen in the past.
- 28:01Top end players are gearing at about the same speed that they
- 28:03always have, and it's not until you look at the lower end where
- 28:06you see people are gearing a little more quickly, he said.
- 28:09It's a little more quickly than they expected that it was going
- 28:12to be, but they're not overall unhappy with where it is.
- 28:17And Evitel, you know, echoed how that lets her get into more
- 28:20content sooner that she might not have normally done.
- 28:23That's the way the gearing works.
- 28:24And I hope, because I think gearing this season has been
- 28:26decent. The only complaint I have is
- 28:29that the the best way to gear should never be gear and alt and
- 28:34downgrade their crests to then make your mains gearing easier.
- 28:37That we need to find a fix for that.
- 28:39But I think gearing has been pretty good this season and has
- 28:42contributed to why things like mythic plus and the raid have
- 28:45felt more accessible. So I hope that carries forward
- 28:49into the next the next patch cycle with very minor touches if
- 28:53they slow it down at all. Hopefully they don't though.
- 28:55Paul seems sort of somewhere in the middle of whether or not
- 28:58they would. How do you like is that, does
- 28:59that resonate with you? Do you think gearing is at a
- 29:01good spot? Do you think it's too fast?
- 29:03Do you think it's too slow? I think that the curve is a big
- 29:10thing. So like at the higher end it
- 29:13didn't speed up that much. And so when you are sitting at
- 29:17like, what is your main geared at?
- 29:20282. Right.
- 29:23So you're like at the higher end and it hasn't speed up that much
- 29:26for you. Yeah, I'm.
- 29:28Not at the high like there, there are plenty of people
- 29:31already at 285, which unlocks the myth crests.
- 29:35Yeah. But yeah, so I'm like, I would
- 29:37say I'm average. You would say you're everybody's
- 29:42going to say their average. So OK, so I'm, I'm below average
- 29:45is what you're saying. And as somebody below your
- 29:48words, man. Those aren't mine, those aren't
- 29:50my words. I'm just.
- 29:51Saying I'm below you which is average so therefore I'm below
- 29:56average. I'm sitting at 270-8279 ish
- 30:03right? I know part of that is because I
- 30:07change specs. So a couple of vault trinkets
- 30:11like I don't I have a puzzle box that's just gathering dust in my
- 30:14my bags. I have a crafted weapon that's
- 30:16just gathering dust. So like that hit my item level
- 30:19and it took me a bit to like it catch back up.
- 30:21So I guess I may be a bit behind where I would be, but at any
- 30:25point I'm I'm I'm below average and average at this point is 7
- 30:32out of nine Mythic 3400 IO score item level.
- 30:38What do you say, 280-3280? Two, I think it's a 282.
- 30:42That's, that's what we're going to consider average for the
- 30:45point of this conversation, right.
- 30:47So I would say that people below that point have received more of
- 30:52the curve, right? They're on the the faster point
- 30:55and putting myself in those shoes, I think about like how
- 30:59quickly world content became a joke, how quickly Elevens became
- 31:07whatever. And I, I don't know, I guess
- 31:16because I got to walk away from it, I don't feel that bad
- 31:22because I was running with two characters and saying like, Oh
- 31:25my goodness, this is too much and I need to cut down.
- 31:27It helped me, but in a world where like that was my
- 31:31fulfilling gameplay loop and now I feel like I've got to add more
- 31:35on top just because the stuff that's being offered doesn't
- 31:39last. I I think that they got to be
- 31:43careful about that balance. Yes, things are happening really
- 31:47quickly and after our conversation last week, I did an
- 31:51entire like look into it breakdown of like what what in
- 31:55the world's happening, but gearing is part of it.
- 31:58Like we clear through normal and heroic so quickly because we
- 32:04have access to gear at par, if not better so quickly.
- 32:09Right when you hit that mythic level, it there aren't as many
- 32:14things that help you gear as quickly or over gear.
- 32:17It is in in the case of other things.
- 32:20And so your progression is roughly where it's supposed to
- 32:24be with just like, Hey, you caught up to a mid level as
- 32:27fast. And I think that's kind of what
- 32:28he's talking about. And so I feel like, man, I, I
- 32:35would have loved Lex to be here and to say, and if she in her in
- 32:42her playthroughs has recognized like, oh man, my power level is,
- 32:46is much higher than it would normally be at this point.
- 32:49Or I felt like gear is becoming more easily.
- 32:52But like, just that initial point, I found that like, we
- 32:56cleared through the point where gear from lower levels was
- 33:01relevant at such a incredible rate that I, I feel sad about
- 33:06that. And I, I'm hoping that that part
- 33:08of the bell curve might be adjusted.
- 33:10But I also know that people are going to scream bloody murder,
- 33:13but it's like you're going to slow down my gear and not yours.
- 33:16Yeah, I, I think I like, I, I think it's good for the game
- 33:21that we gear up faster and those bosses that can be beaten by
- 33:25just having more gear can get get rolled over faster.
- 33:29And I think it's good because when we get to bosses like Crown
- 33:32of the Cosmos or Midnight Falls, you're not going to oak gear
- 33:35that. So now it does really come down
- 33:37to can you beat the boss fight? Can you beat the mechanics?
- 33:40Where is your skill level? It's not just, OK, well, you
- 33:44know, it's week 8 and now I'm 30 levels item levels higher than I
- 33:47need to be. Like you're already at that item
- 33:49level now. Like if you look, when Liquid
- 33:51killed those bosses, what item level they were at and where we
- 33:54are now, it's like we're very close.
- 33:56So now you're at a point where it's like, OK, I just have to
- 33:58play better now as opposed to waiting for the gear to get
- 34:01better. But I think I think it, I think
- 34:04bosses to me rating to me feels better when you know, you're not
- 34:10killing the boss because of skill, because of performance.
- 34:14I would rather fail a boss because I mess a mechanic up
- 34:18then fail a boss because I'm just too low item level.
- 34:21I don't ever want you know you're.
- 34:22Killing a boss because of skill, because of performance.
- 34:26So you, you kind of switch that around.
- 34:28Yeah, yeah. But I also feel better about a
- 34:30wipe if I know I wiped because I made a mistake and not I wiped
- 34:34because, you know, in two weeks I'm going to have 10 more item
- 34:37level. So by all of us sort of like
- 34:39that ramp to item level, that ramp to gearing being really
- 34:42fast in the beginning. It it it almost from the
- 34:45beginning puts us on that point of if you're dying, it's because
- 34:48you played poorly, not because you're under geared for this.
- 34:51And I like that. I think that is a strength for
- 34:54the game. I think you're talking about
- 34:57that again though. Because when you're talking
- 35:00about the end bosses and hey, you've gotten to the right gear
- 35:03for that and you're not over gearing it now it's based on
- 35:05performance. But the by the same token the
- 35:08earlier bosses which should be balanced for you having less
- 35:11gear and being more entry, you're now over gearing those
- 35:15way faster and instead of beating those bosses based on
- 35:19your performance it's because you out geared them and you just
- 35:23flatten it like you kill bellerin IN22 phases because you
- 35:26just gear out gear it Bellerin's.
- 35:30A penultimate boss, but I would have to go back to like shadow
- 35:33lands before I could remember a early boss that was difficult
- 35:37and required like the, the, the, the, the, you know, other than
- 35:42the random wall bosses, we've had every tier.
- 35:44The the rule of thumb is early bosses are going to fall over.
- 35:49They're easy. So it, I don't think like
- 35:51there's no mechanical complexity or very little mechanical
- 35:54complexity in a lot of those. Like if you look at Voracius,
- 35:57there's no mechanical complexity in that fight.
- 35:58If you look at Saladar, other than coordinating kicks and
- 36:01kiting the orbs, there's no mechanical complexity though.
- 36:04There's nothing in those fights that would make you, those are
- 36:07gear based fights. You're going to kill Voracius
- 36:09because your item level is correct for the damage check.
- 36:12You're going to kill Saladar because your item level is
- 36:14correct for the damage check. So for those fights, I think it
- 36:17makes sense that you gear up faster because you want you
- 36:20don't want people to be limited by that gear.
- 36:22So you gear up faster to get over that hump.
- 36:24But then as you get to like blinded vanguard, that becomes
- 36:28more of a a mechanical fight. That's a dance.
- 36:30You know, it's coordination. So the gearing gearing levels
- 36:33off at that point. I, I think they nailed I really
- 36:35do. I think this tier they nailed
- 36:37that. I.
- 36:38Think dream roof is a good one for gear levels versus like
- 36:42damage, because like that one, you only get a certain amount of
- 36:47phases and then it that enrage is pretty like pretty much a
- 36:51wall. I think that if people were able
- 36:57to gear that so quickly that they're killing that on week 2IN
- 37:03heroic and and normal when they're not normally it normally
- 37:06doing full clears on for AOTC at that space.
- 37:13That's part of like the gear just pushing it so fast that
- 37:16like I think by the second week we were killing it before he got
- 37:21to do his first strafing run. Not second week, that's probably
- 37:25third week. No, we're at week 4 now.
- 37:29What are we? We're at week 4 now.
- 37:30So yeah, may have been second week.
- 37:34There's I'm gonna UN UN heroic. No, no, normal.
- 37:39Just like before. You got to fly up just like
- 37:41you're gone. And now I think.
- 37:44Well, your team could. Probably do the same thing on
- 37:47Earth and Earth Mother. And Captain Garrick, you could
- 37:49do it on normal. It's normal, normal, normal
- 37:52rating is not there is no normal rating is for people that are
- 37:56like, I don't really have anything else to do today.
- 37:58I might as well normal raid like it's Wow.
- 38:00Wow, the disdain, the casual disdain.
- 38:04But I think that I I. Legitimately think LFR is harder
- 38:06than normal. I I agree LFR, but that's.
- 38:09Because of like the coordination gap that's in LFR, but I think
- 38:14that that people who do friend, friends and family raids, which
- 38:17is where I put normal, right? Just like, hey, we're not, we're
- 38:21not like Uber competitive. We're here for a fun time sort
- 38:26of thing. But like they could have a
- 38:28number of people who also love playing with their friends and
- 38:32family. So are doing normal but also do
- 38:35mythic plus and other things that could that will gear to the
- 38:38point where they will kill it before it goes into they see
- 38:43most of the fight. Yeah, I don't.
- 38:48I'm sorry, I just don't. I don't even know why normal
- 38:50rating exists. I don't know what purposes other
- 38:53than to give us champ track versions of the best trinkets.
- 38:56I don't know what purpose normal raid serves.
- 38:59You can oak your you can oak your it with delves What like
- 39:03what is the other than the the best of slot trinkets?
- 39:06Why do we have normal raid? What is the what is the what
- 39:09purpose does it serve in the Warcraft antheon, I mean.
- 39:13Why do we have like heroic dungeons or mythic dungeons?
- 39:16There seems to be like an entire gap with that where it's like,
- 39:20but that's, that's because we don't cap out at that level.
- 39:25There are people who cap out at that level that that is their
- 39:29target, and for them it exists. And for the people who don't
- 39:35play at that level, whether they're playing below it or
- 39:37playing above it, they like, they don't know 'cause it's
- 39:42like, why would I do that if I can do something easier?
- 39:45Why would I do that if I can do something harder and it doesn't
- 39:48give me the rewards? So like, yes, you and I are
- 39:51going to be blind to it, but that doesn't mean that there's
- 39:54no reason for it except for a big zero.
- 39:56What the hell guys? What did you do?
- 40:01I don't know, man. There's.
- 40:02Didn't you just tell me there's people for everything.
- 40:04There's people who, I don't know people.
- 40:08It's their cat. Yeah.
- 40:10It's easy to get blinded to the fact when you play, all of your
- 40:13time is spent playing with people at a certain level and
- 40:15you're only surrounded by these people.
- 40:17That's obviously how like we get into these situations where I
- 40:19think normal serves no purpose. Yeah, I, if you are somebody
- 40:25who's on a normal raid team and you're working your way through
- 40:29and you're struggling and you're like, hey, listen, asshole, this
- 40:31is hard for some of us. Join the Raid Leader Exchange
- 40:34discord and they're going to give you strats.
- 40:36They're going to make all of those fights much, much easier
- 40:39for your team. And then just tell your team to
- 40:40do what you tell them. Tell them you want to be the
- 40:42raid leader and just give them direction so that they can
- 40:45follow it and clear those bosses easily.
- 40:49It's just so easy to gear it. I don't understand.
- 40:52I don't and there's no mechanics.
- 40:53I don't what I don't I don't even think there.
- 40:56I don't I struggle to I I don't know what purpose normal.
- 41:00I really don't. I really don't.
- 41:04You know what we're going to do? We're going to turn this into
- 41:05something actually useful in a future episode.
- 41:09We're going to talk to people about raid leading and
- 41:11strategies and such so that you can like switch off of that,
- 41:16that ready pull Strat that you can get the more consistent
- 41:21people to follow your directions more consistently.
- 41:23And I think that would be the way of doing this rather than be
- 41:26like, why you all that difficulty?
- 41:28I don't even get it. That just doesn't seem helpful.
- 41:31I want to talk. To somebody.
- 41:32I I honestly, I legitimately want to talk to somebody who's
- 41:34in a raid team that doesn't go above normal.
- 41:36Normal is their cap. They I and I'd like I want to I
- 41:40I if you are out there, if you're listening to this and you
- 41:43exist and and normal raid is your cap, please come to the
- 41:47discord bit that I'll watch slash 5's discord.
- 41:49Tell me I I genuinely want to talk to you and I want to know
- 41:53why. I want to know what benefit
- 41:55there is there. Like how do you enjoy it?
- 41:57How do you prog it? Why?
- 41:58What are the hang ups? What makes it difficult to prog?
- 42:02Because I don't know. I I honestly don't know.
- 42:04And I, if there is somebody listening who is in that
- 42:08situation, please come, come, let me know because I obviously
- 42:12need to have my eyes opened. Yeah.
- 42:14I I'd appreciate somebody educating Sean.
- 42:17That would be greatly appreciated.
- 42:20But that wasn't the only thing that was the topic.
- 42:26In fact, we just went down a rabbit hole about normal
- 42:28difficulty. The gearing itself effects more
- 42:31than just raid. It affects the progress through
- 42:34Mythic Plus, which we've seen a tremendous rush through.
- 42:38It affects the progress through delves.
- 42:40It affects, to a point, PvP. But I feel like that is if
- 42:45everybody's gearing at an accelerated rate, they kind of
- 42:48bounce themselves out. But it also effects how quickly
- 42:52people can switch to like alts or switch specs, in my case, and
- 42:57have those viable for the content that they're running.
- 43:00So does that mean that like more people find it easier to go
- 43:04towards that cookie cutter? Oh, we're missing a hunter.
- 43:07All right, Sean, jump on it. Go go gear up your hunter and
- 43:11have it ready for raid next week is a lot more viable in when the
- 43:16curve at the lower end is so quickly skip through than it has
- 43:22been in the past has. Do you find that like that is
- 43:27good or do you find that like if that it might cause them to be
- 43:31like, yeah, we have 0 issue with you requiring death grip to make
- 43:36this fight easier because it's that much easier for you to go
- 43:40get a death knight. I wish I could.
- 43:43I want what Final Fantasy Fan Fest just announced that a thing
- 43:48where your mains gear, whatever your main job is, jobs are like
- 43:53glasses in Final Fantasy. Whatever your main job is,
- 43:56whatever gear that character has, when you switch jobs, your
- 43:59gear switches to match at the same item level.
- 44:02I want that for alts. If I'd never had the gear and
- 44:05alt again in my life, I would be happy.
- 44:08I would be very happy if I only had to grind gear and do the
- 44:13Crest grind and do all the farm on one character and, and, and.
- 44:17That being said, gearing alts is faster now and better now than
- 44:20it's ever been. We are in a very good spot for
- 44:22alts right now and I I enjoy it greatly.
- 44:24I'm very appreciative of where we are for alt gearing.
- 44:27But if I could just log into a brewmaster and hit a button and
- 44:30get a set of gear that matches what my warrior has that would
- 44:33be ideal for me. I like, I would be happy just
- 44:37playing on tournament realm style servers that the
- 44:40acquisition of gear is not my chase.
- 44:42That's not what I do. I I recognize that it is for a
- 44:45lot of people that power build is what they play for.
- 44:47That's not it for it's boss kills for me.
- 44:49Are we clearing dungeons? Are we clearing raids?
- 44:52Are we clearing them faster? Are we clearing them more
- 44:53efficiently? That's my dopamine hit is, is
- 44:56our pull count lower? That's what I want.
- 44:58I don't care about parses. I don't care about gearing.
- 45:01I don't care about mounts. I don't care about pets.
- 45:03I care a little bit about transmog.
- 45:06Yeah, but that is for me, it's how efficient and how fast can
- 45:09we clear this content. And I recognize that that is not
- 45:12normal, but I don't, you know, I'm speaking what I want.
- 45:15You know, I don't, I would never pretend to imagine what the
- 45:17community wants. I have no idea what the
- 45:19community wants. And so I'm OK with that.
- 45:23I think it's we, I mean, we literally had that happen.
- 45:25We had our Ferrell Druid. Ferrell's in a kind of a rough
- 45:27state this tier. He had a hunter alt that he
- 45:30could play at a good level. He we swapped to it, geared it
- 45:34up to 278 and we used it on our kill pool for paladins because
- 45:38three marksmanship hunters on that fight was very, very good.
- 45:41Not, not necessary. You could kill it without, but
- 45:44it made it so much easier that it doesn't make if you have
- 45:46access to it, why not do the thing that makes it easier?
- 45:49I don't understand intentionally making your life harder.
- 45:52That doesn't make any sense to me.
- 45:53I think the world does a good enough job of trying to make my
- 45:55life hard. I don't need to help them.
- 45:57But yeah, so I'm OK with it. I I think it's good.
- 46:01Again, I think that some people take longer to adapt to new
- 46:05classes and rotations. So that's part of it, right?
- 46:10Some people with that thing might feel pressure to switch
- 46:13off of like they're like underperforming spec to go like
- 46:17I switched off of enhancement to go to elemental specifically
- 46:20because I wanted to like try my best to like see if I could get
- 46:24into that 1% for mythic plus this season.
- 46:27And that could very well be a pipe dream.
- 46:29But in order to give myself the best chance, I switch to a
- 46:32better performing performing spec.
- 46:35If that was much harder to do, would I have stayed enhancement?
- 46:40Probably. If the gear was much harder to
- 46:43like to like get, which would have set me back even further
- 46:48there that would have that resistance would have altered my
- 46:51choice. There's also the fact that like,
- 46:55quite frankly, you can have teams where they they will like
- 47:06bench people based on like what on like, hey, their performance
- 47:11isn't working and that kind of kind of puts on pressure.
- 47:16Like we've heard, let's talk about it where they'll get to a
- 47:19point where they're hitting a wall and they'll be like, OK,
- 47:22we're going to start talking about sitting some people till
- 47:26we can get it down. And then we're going to bring
- 47:27them along with those people being SAT.
- 47:31Start thinking, oh, what if I switch spec?
- 47:34What if I get my alt alt up? There's so like that's the
- 47:39pressure that I think people could have when you make these,
- 47:44these switches easier. And there are people because
- 47:48this is not like fun and fancy where it's the same character
- 47:50and you're just switching roles or switching jobs.
- 47:53This is like a character that I've played since like back in
- 47:56vanilla and everything that now I have to drop because it's not
- 48:00doing well. This is this season.
- 48:02And that that can become sort of a, a resistance and a pressure
- 48:07to people who are switching. I'm like players like you and I
- 48:11where it's like Nah Nah, I'm playing.
- 48:12And like I don't care if I'm on my paladin or my druid or
- 48:16whatever, like it's just me defeating the fight that much
- 48:20more efficiently. In which case, who cares which
- 48:22character you do it on? But I I want to pontificate for
- 48:26a second though go for it just because I have heard like to
- 48:29mention that and if I was on a normal or heroic grade team who
- 48:34sat players to kill bosses I would leave that team in a
- 48:37heartbeat. I, I fully believe that unless
- 48:42you're in a situation where you're roster capped, so you
- 48:44have 30 plus players in the team and you have to fit the comp to
- 48:47work, I don't think there's any reason to sit a player in those
- 48:53team if they're, if they're, if whatever the minimum
- 48:55requirements are laid out by the team, if they're hitting those
- 48:57minimum requirements, I don't see any reason to sit that
- 49:01you're killing these bosses as a team.
- 49:03You're together as a team, you win and you lose as a team.
- 49:06Telling somebody I'm going to sit you so we can kill this
- 49:08because it'll be easier without you.
- 49:10To me, that's telling that player you don't matter as much
- 49:13to this team. And that that was, I mean, when
- 49:16I joined Fates, that was the the number one thing that we like
- 49:22sort of talked about at the very beginning that joined the midway
- 49:24through Prague in a fight and they were discussing this exact
- 49:27thing on that boss. And I was very, very adamant
- 49:31that First off, the reasons you want to sit these people are
- 49:35wrong. The people you should be looking
- 49:37at are different people, some of them in this room.
- 49:40And if that's the position we want to be, if that's the
- 49:45position we want to be in, then like it's, it's just you don't
- 49:49need to do. And they, they were, they are,
- 49:50you know, the officers all, all saw the reason of that and they
- 49:53didn't sit anybody. And they killed the boss the
- 49:54very next week. I I don't you're a team, you
- 49:59know, especially if you're asking your team to not pug
- 50:01things ahead of the team, like you want to kill it as a team
- 50:04when it like we want to kill this as a team.
- 50:06We want to succeed as a team, but not you.
- 50:09That to me, I like I'm not I would leave.
- 50:12I would G quit that day and find a new team.
- 50:17Yeah, at that. Like yeah, it's and this is so.
- 50:21And obviously when we talk about mythic, it's different.
- 50:22You have you're locked in a 20 year Raiders.
- 50:25Performance matters, comp matters, You know, who's going
- 50:28to be in for these later Prague bosses?
- 50:30All of that stuff matters. That's all factors.
- 50:32But if we're talking specifically heroic and normal,
- 50:34whether you had, you can take up to 30 people.
- 50:36I don't think there's any excuse for sitting people for
- 50:40performance as long as they're like, as long as they're hitting
- 50:42like you, obviously, hopefully you're a great team who has
- 50:45like, here's the requirement. You have to do X number of
- 50:48vaults lots per week. You know, you have to be X item
- 50:51level. And if the person is doing that,
- 50:54they're doing all you've asked them to do to be on this team,
- 50:57then sitting them for performance when you don't have
- 51:01to, just to make it easier for yourself.
- 51:04And then looking down on people who want to swap to alts to make
- 51:06a fight easier. No, Lexa.
- 51:09Lexa doesn't look down at anybody.
- 51:10That's Lex doesn't. Look down on anybody.
- 51:13But I wouldn't, I wouldn't want to move it away from Lex's team
- 51:16because yeah, no, I'm just. I well, that's why I shifted to
- 51:18Fates. No, Yeah.
- 51:21But like, I have been on teams, I'm actually currently on a team
- 51:26that is performing well. I'm not going to say to anybody,
- 51:28but they don't keep that minimum standard going.
- 51:33They don't check on it. They don't encourage people,
- 51:37encourage people. And that to me, that's shitty.
- 51:40Leadership, then the leader. That's on the leaders of the
- 51:42team. That to me is a failure of
- 51:46leadership. Like, rather than calling them
- 51:47shitty leaders, let's, let's criticize the, that they are not
- 51:53fulfilling their role, right? Because that then leads to a
- 51:57point where you have people who weren't doing what you asked for
- 52:01and now you're hitting this wall because they weren't doing what
- 52:03you, you asked for. And then you're, you're going to
- 52:07sit them. And sometimes people recognize
- 52:11that soon enough and they're like, hey, listen, we're now at
- 52:13XY or Z. We're now hitting this wall.
- 52:16And I haven't been enforcing this, but the reason that we're
- 52:19going to sit you is because you haven't been doing this and you
- 52:21can't correct this in a week. So congratulations, you're going
- 52:24to be sad is a bit better. And I've been like that, but
- 52:28like the failure is that you weren't correcting it along the
- 52:31way. So now they're stuck in this bad
- 52:33situation. So I don't I don't want to say
- 52:36that like sitting people is a reason for you to quit the
- 52:41Guild. Right.
- 52:43Yes, there is a failure in leadership in like it not making
- 52:48sure that people were following it, but it can fall back to that
- 52:51person who's being sat where it's like you weren't doing it.
- 52:53And because they let you get away with it now you're going to
- 52:56blame the the raid lead. You kind of both failed.
- 53:00Your failed each other there, right?
- 53:02Yeah. If they're not hitting their,
- 53:04like, if somebody's not doing the minimum requirements set up
- 53:06by the Guild, 100%, that needs to be a discussion that needs to
- 53:09be addressed and earlier rather than later.
- 53:12And if a person gets sat because of that reason, I, I fully
- 53:15understand that and support that.
- 53:17But sitting somebody for somebody, somebody who is
- 53:19hitting the requirements you've asked and then sitting them for
- 53:22performance or because you know, the, the boss would be easier
- 53:25with this person in. If you set your minimum item
- 53:28level at 260 and then you're out of boss and you're like, well,
- 53:31if we were all 276, this would all be a lot easier.
- 53:33But if you're not 276 this week, then you should have said it at
- 53:36276. At 90 to 95% of all Guild
- 53:41problems are derived from leadership or direction.
- 53:44Poor execution, poor management, or what's the word that you like
- 53:51to use? Not accountability.
- 53:52Poor accountability, though, is up there.
- 53:54It's expectations, poor setting of expectations that Rolly at
- 53:57me. Rolly knew what I meant.
- 53:59It's all about leadership. I 14 years in the Navy and a
- 54:02year of that, literally revamping and teaching
- 54:05leadership to the next generation of people and being
- 54:09brought in to help to change the way that that worked.
- 54:12It's, it is the biggest unforgivable thing for me and
- 54:15it's why I am such a huge advocate for people that are in
- 54:18bad guilds who leave because there are so many good guilds
- 54:22out there that you just don't know about yet.
- 54:24Go and find one where the leadership is good.
- 54:26Don't stay. I promise you the days of
- 54:29getting screamed at for more dots that doesn't exist anymore.
- 54:32When you see clips of people calling their players dog shit
- 54:35because they're missing arrows in a fight where even the best
- 54:38players in the world are missing arrows that don't, don't settle
- 54:42for that. You don't have to.
- 54:43You can find a spot that's better.
- 54:45And if you can't find a spot, make a spot that's better.
- 54:48There's enough players out there that you can you can bring them
- 54:50in. And Paul Cuba didn't talk about
- 54:52any of this in that. This was a great this was, but
- 54:56it was such a great aside. I I do, I do want to say that
- 54:59like from my project management background that if you do not
- 55:06outline your expectations, that is just premeditated
- 55:09disappointment. You are setting yourselves up
- 55:12for that disappointment. But yeah, let's go back to the
- 55:15interview here. Yeah, what?
- 55:18Else have you been talking about?
- 55:20The last thing I want to well two things.
- 55:22The last thing I want to mention is the second last thing I want
- 55:24to mention is they talked about tank tuning and how brewmaster
- 55:27is so far ahead and the other tanks are so far behind if you
- 55:29look at like mythic plus keys. Now that that being said, if you
- 55:33are any of any of the tank classes right now are capable of
- 55:36doing plus 20s might be harder though it's if it's easier on
- 55:40one, that's why you see that shift, but they're all capable
- 55:43of doing it. You need help, just go.
- 55:44You need proof. Just go and look at the leader
- 55:46boards. They're all due in 20s and 21.
- 55:48But he talked about how they don't want to adjust brewmaster
- 55:53down too far that they would rather use a light touch to
- 55:56bring them down a little and then raise the other tanks up to
- 55:59match. Which means I'm getting buffed.
- 56:02So let's go, let's go. I mean, where was that when
- 56:10druids were having their Guardian day?
- 56:14Where was that light touch? Yeah, exactly.
- 56:17But that it's good to know that they're watching, they're
- 56:19keeping an eye on that stuff. It was a good interview overall.
- 56:21All goes into detail and stuff. There's a lot of nuance are
- 56:23missing here. You know, this is the aggregate
- 56:25version of what happened to that interview.
- 56:28Oh yeah. And.
- 56:28We can only give the aggregate go watch, yeah.
- 56:30Go watch it, it's good. Talia Sammons will do great
- 56:33interviews. And then the last thing I've
- 56:35been pretty happy saying 12.1 is going to be a Talu tech in the
- 56:39island off of Zulaman. Taliesin asked Paul and he said
- 56:44I realize you can't do spoilers, but heading into 12.1 if I
- 56:47wanted to set my Hearthstone in Zulaman would that be a good
- 56:50idea? Paul Kubit responded with do you
- 56:53really like the view off the coast?
- 56:54Is that why you're asking and said yes?
- 56:57And Paul Cuban said, well, if you really enjoy the view off
- 57:00the coast, then yeah, I would say Suleiman is a good spot to
- 57:02set your host over 12.1. So we're getting a troll raid,
- 57:05Manny, let's talking. Go, go, Paul.
- 57:10Cubit in like absolutely reframing that question because
- 57:14that was not a confirmation, but very sly, very sly, definitely
- 57:20paid attention in his PR courses.
- 57:23Yeah, it. Was good stuff.
- 57:25I had a couple of facts to talk about this entire thing 'cause
- 57:32like it's not only fast, it's because of the false start that
- 57:37it also feels faster 'cause it wasn't like we had full rating
- 57:43right away. So like next next tier when it
- 57:47goes when there is no heroic week, right, Those teams that
- 57:52like we're doing pushing through heroic an extra week before the
- 57:56raid really came out. And then we had the launch of
- 58:00March or call Donna, Sorry, that false start is going to be all
- 58:05compressed into one week. And so it'll feel like we we had
- 58:08more time where we were just gearing.
- 58:10So that'll help slow it down for for Raiders as well, right.
- 58:15But with this eight week cycle, that eight week cycle started
- 58:18from the launch of the expansion, we had levelling
- 58:22including early access. We then had the heroic week, we
- 58:26then had the week before the March.
- 58:29So that ate up three weeks right there from the time of March
- 58:35releasing to 12 point O 5 was 4 weeks and 12 point O five had
- 58:43more content than 11 point O 5 and 11.15 combined.
- 58:50Well, it it had more named pieces, I don't know that you
- 58:56could say it had more content. There's exactly 1 ritual site
- 59:00and exactly 2. Sorry.
- 59:02Yeah, two ritual sites, 2 void assaults and decor duels.
- 59:08I guess Abyssal anglers. Yeah, and abyssal anglers.
- 59:11So what? 11 point O .5 had the 20th
- 59:15anniversary celebration. Yeah.
- 59:18So that came with a new RAID. Which came which came with the
- 59:21the revamped anniversary rate, right?
- 59:24Came with the the mount. Mini game you had to like mount
- 59:31your things. You had to get on your mounts to
- 59:33show your mounts off. Right.
- 59:36Yeah, the the amount off the, the, the fair attractions that
- 59:39were in there, Yeah. And then the secret solution
- 59:43puzzle thing where you had to go around and find stuff that you
- 59:47got the the because the girl, remember the girl's name kept
- 59:50getting longer as you did it. Right.
- 59:53Yeah, what it was called. So that.
- 59:55The detective one, yeah, and. It also has a ball island.
- 59:59Of was that. Siren Island as well and point O
- 1:00:0310 point O .5 was anniversary. It wasn't 11 point O .5 that was
- 1:00:07the anniversary. It was 10 point O .5 right two
- 1:00:10years ago. Double check.
- 1:00:11I guarantee you it was. It was definitely two years ago.
- 1:00:1411 point. O it was twenty O 4.
- 1:00:19Oops, I went too far Atchison. Says 11 point O .5 as well.
- 1:00:24O .5 is 11. Point O .5 two years ago.
- 1:00:31Yeah, 2024. We're at 2026 right now, 11
- 1:00:35point. Siren Isles was from
- 1:00:36Dragonflight. Siren Isles is not war within,
- 1:00:39no no. No no no.
- 1:00:40Siren Isles is war within. That is the like where they did
- 1:00:45the experimental note. Yeah, but like crazy by losing.
- 1:00:53It tyrant, I will. No, but like, OK, so I I'm just
- 1:00:59I'm going to go to this. So 11 point O .5 we had the 20th
- 1:01:06anniversary, a celebration, the classic dungeons added to time
- 1:01:11walking yeah additional drag theory classes, new ascendance
- 1:01:19form for shamans, Dragonflight PvP ensembles and changes to
- 1:01:27trans mod collecting. That was 11 point O .5.
- 1:01:32OK, OK. I believe Siren Isles was 11
- 1:01:37point O .7 and that's what you're conflating.
- 1:01:41Dude I thought Siren Isles was from Dragonflight.
- 1:01:43I no, no, I think the. I.
- 1:01:45Think the issue is my brain thinks that 11 point O was just
- 1:01:50last year. Yeah.
- 1:01:52No, it was not, was it not? Years back.
- 1:01:55Yeah, 2 year expansion cycles and no, it's. 18 months, it's
- 1:01:59not 2 years, it's 18 months, OK year.
- 1:02:01And a half then sure. Oh man, I'm losing it.
- 1:02:04All right. I am on a Warcraft podcast.
- 1:02:10But more importantly, you tune in and listen.
- 1:02:19So yeah, Oh my goodness. All right.
- 1:02:20Sorry, Manny, sorry. That's.
- 1:02:22OK, I was so. Confident, Anjali says.
- 1:02:24I do that, she says. I speak with the confidence of a
- 1:02:26mediocre white man on the Internet, and it makes her
- 1:02:27question herself. And you speak with.
- 1:02:32Confidence Luckily I had actually looked this up and I
- 1:02:35wasn't just pulling it from my mind because I could misremember
- 1:02:38and I am willing to admit that I.
- 1:02:43Yeah. OK.
- 1:02:45So yeah. But the 12 point O features are
- 1:02:48the void forge which is if you want to start subdividing it,
- 1:02:51which is the bonus rolls as well as the upcoming turbo boost at
- 1:02:58item levels right? The decor duels, the ritual
- 1:03:04sites which you talked about, the void assaults, the abyss
- 1:03:10Anglers, which you said was delayed or sorry rather, if you
- 1:03:14guys check out the interview that Sean did from Raider IO,
- 1:03:18they delayed the abyss anglers because they wanted to give it
- 1:03:22more time to shine. And I would actually argue that
- 1:03:26it's been buried with the amount of stuff that they threw out and
- 1:03:30things that just people have been looking at more.
- 1:03:33So I feel like that might have also been a good thing to like
- 1:03:37push off to the Talaman when we were looking off the coast
- 1:03:41because we set our Hearthstone. And.
- 1:03:44So when you look at not just like this short period of time
- 1:03:48when we were actually in the full end game to 12 point O 5,
- 1:03:52but the amount of stuff that came with 12 point O five, yeah,
- 1:03:55I can understand why Lex was saying last week, oh, I feel
- 1:03:57overwhelmed or why a lot of people like this is just too
- 1:04:00soon because like this delayed launch has kept things fresh for
- 1:04:05so long that like we didn't really have a time to come down
- 1:04:08from the high. Yeah, yeah.
- 1:04:10I've been high since launch. But yeah, so I know once you get
- 1:04:18through the levelling up, the gearing up, the like launch of
- 1:04:21everything, like, yeah, you're just getting into your stride.
- 1:04:25Yeah, yeah, I, I mean, I, I one thing from the interview
- 1:04:31Taliesin mentioned how he loves the eight week, eight week patch
- 1:04:34cycle. I don't know that I do.
- 1:04:36I think a little slow. I think 10 weeks I think
- 1:04:39probably feels better for me. And week patch cycle, I would
- 1:04:42like a little more breathing room, gives a little bit more of
- 1:04:45a tail for teams once they've killed stuff to relax.
- 1:04:48Gives folks a chance to start and go back.
- 1:04:53Yeah, I don't know I but in saying that I'm Decor duels came
- 1:04:59out. I was done with it.
- 1:04:59In four hours I had achieved all of the rewards I wanted.
- 1:05:03Ritual sites came out and I'll do those once a week with my
- 1:05:06friends. Go to Bega for like just
- 1:05:11instantly jumping me into a rank 54 challenge mode.
- 1:05:15You get a bunch of crests. So that's like a it's not
- 1:05:18something I really have to spend time with.
- 1:05:20I did 1 void assault. I'll do one now that it's in
- 1:05:22ever song and then I'll probably never do those again.
- 1:05:25So there is content there. But yeah, I guess it's OK that
- 1:05:31it comes because I don't. Initially I felt overwhelmed.
- 1:05:33I like I resonated with Lex big time.
- 1:05:36Like, OK, there's still like I'm still working through the raid.
- 1:05:38There's a lot going on. Do I need all this extra stuff
- 1:05:40on top? What do I have to prioritize?
- 1:05:41But after having done it and been like, OK, this is something
- 1:05:44I need to do once or twice, I realized this content is
- 1:05:46actually here for maybe it's there for those people in those
- 1:05:49normal rating guilds who were like, well, we cleared the radar
- 1:05:51normal in a week because it was super easy.
- 1:05:52And now we're spending our time doing whatever it is normal
- 1:05:55Raiders do. Can't wait to talk to a normal
- 1:05:57Raider. It's going to be so much fun,
- 1:05:59gonna be great. They're gonna be like you're an
- 1:06:01idiot. See, normal readers can have
- 1:06:05accurate perspectives. Anyway, I would say that I'm OK
- 1:06:14with the eight week cycle normally, but I think at an
- 1:06:19expansion launch where there are like the heroic week where there
- 1:06:26are people levelling and such that shouldn't fall into your
- 1:06:30normal cadence. Maybe that's where you have the
- 1:06:3310 week sort of set up. And then from there we can do 8
- 1:06:36weeks going going forward because like 12 point O .7
- 1:06:41coming out in eight weeks or seven weeks from now, 8 weeks
- 1:06:44from the patch. I think that'll be OK, right?
- 1:06:48And then we won't get the full next tear until we eight weeks
- 1:06:53after that. I still think that'll be OK as
- 1:06:54well. Just so rather than change
- 1:06:57everything, maybe just a just for start of an expansion, just
- 1:07:00expansion launch, we're going to give more time for people to
- 1:07:04like get into the swing of things.
- 1:07:07I just feel bad for those late CE teams.
- 1:07:09I don't know why. I guess it's probably because I
- 1:07:10was in the late CE team for a long time and I just feel bad
- 1:07:14for them because when you lock us into the eight week patch
- 1:07:17cycle, it really, really puts pressure on those teams.
- 1:07:21There's no break. They're they they spend all of
- 1:07:24their time in Prague mode and that's exhausting.
- 1:07:29And teams split up because of that.
- 1:07:31And you lose players, you have high roster churn because of it.
- 1:07:34And that's who I'm thinking of, what I'm thinking of.
- 1:07:37Like we need like a 10. And my brain still sort of puts
- 1:07:39me in that category even though I know we're not now I'm just
- 1:07:43like, why now? I want a longer break.
- 1:07:44I want a longer farm period, but yeah, I don't know.
- 1:07:48I just think about those teams and there's got to be late AOTC
- 1:07:51teams as well, teams that get it right at the wire, right?
- 1:07:55There has to be, if there's late CE teams, there has to also be
- 1:07:57late AOTC teams. So for those teams as well, I'd
- 1:08:01like for them to have, you know, maybe a little bit more time
- 1:08:04anyway. So I just want more time.
- 1:08:07But just if you shift it to 10 weeks, you just shift now
- 1:08:12there's just new late teams. So yeah, that's not a solution,
- 1:08:16I guess. Yeah, somebody.
- 1:08:19Somebody's going to be getting the short end of stick.
- 1:08:22You try and balance it as much as you can.
- 1:08:25Yeah, yeah. OK.
- 1:08:28Well, I, I think that in general, adding the extra 2
- 1:08:35weeks, maybe we'll give them some more time to test things if
- 1:08:41they're not going to add more bodies to this situation, maybe
- 1:08:45giving the people who are there more time to work on things.
- 1:08:49Because regardless of whether it comes out in eight weeks or 10
- 1:08:51weeks, going right back to the beginning, it's got to come out
- 1:08:55and make a good impression. There's so many people who are
- 1:08:58like going crazy about what Final Fantasy 14 is offering.
- 1:09:01And I think part of that is due to what Warcraft dumped on them
- 1:09:05recently. And be like, you know what,
- 1:09:07maybe I will look somewhere else.
- 1:09:09Typically, other businesses don't gain customers when you're
- 1:09:15doing a good job. You lose customers when you're
- 1:09:19doing a bad job. Yeah, that's how it works.
- 1:09:24That's how it works. It's just like relationships,
- 1:09:26right? They didn't steal your partner.
- 1:09:29You lost your partner how that worked.
- 1:09:32Or maybe your partner never wanted to be, was never your
- 1:09:35partner to begin with. What am I saying?
- 1:09:40Either way, do better do. Either way, yeah, do better.
- 1:09:44Do better. We'll just be happy being alone.
- 1:09:46Being alone is great to do. Miss Angelina, though I.
- 1:09:50Mean yeah like this is this rings hollow from the from the
- 1:09:53guy in a wonderful relationship with a.
- 1:09:56I'm very lucky, a beautiful woman.
- 1:09:58And incredibly. She is incredibly understanding.
- 1:10:03Yeah, I'm not any less opinionated off of camera, so
- 1:10:08she just spends a lot of time rolling her eyes at me and
- 1:10:11telling me I'm wrong. There you go, this.
- 1:10:18Episode is a tribute to Anjali, wonderful person, but I think
- 1:10:23that's going to do it for us today.
- 1:10:24Is there anything else that you wanted to discuss before we go
- 1:10:28that's. Everything Manny, your camera
- 1:10:29just turned off. Well, until next time, may all
- 1:10:33your hits be good.