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Talks to the fabulous Jim Allenby about his choice of Utopia · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  I'm still a little bump in my to do it quicker.
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  Welcome back to a hamster with a blunt penknife the Doctor Who
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  commentary podcast. It is my great pleasure today,
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  to introduce to somebody, I've been trying to get on this thing
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  for a long time. You know, I've been, I've been
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  spinning, my wheels, trying to get this guy involved, the
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  lovely mr. Jim Allenby.
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  Say hello, Jim. Hello.
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  Jim. Oh, well done, first time out of
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  the gate. Thank you very much.
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  How you doing today? I'm okay.
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  Yeah. Not too bad.
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  Yeah, you do for a robber? Now I have Yeah, couple of hours
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  ago. Yeah, it's very cold out there
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  today. You finally told I was just out
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  there so for all day, you know, I felt that I don't feel bad
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  about that at all. There was a very intriguing
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  series of selfies on Twitter this morning, you know, between
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  you and me, Lucy McCall. And it was like, that, that ham
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  tram all coming together at 58. Yeah, yeah, I kind of boom, u.s.
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  negating that it was great, even else was gotta work.
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  I was just there tapping away. At 4:30 in the morning because,
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  you know, everyone needs to hear my opinion as usual Jim.
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  This is your first time doing an episode of hamster.
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  I'm so pleased to have you may I ask you a few questions straight
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  off the bat? Yes of course no problem.
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  Okay, well I already know the answer the first one because you
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  just told me of Mike during our mini rehearsal.
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  However, today we are going to be watching Utopia and I Sofia
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  Coppola faults initial. Before we go in what you think
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  of it and what you think is Series 3.
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  General. Okay.
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  Okay. So Series 3, I believe for me,
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  it's my personal favorite of Russell's series that he did.
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  And it's absolutely my favorite tenant series.
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  I think people tend to go for serious for and I do think that
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  that is when everything comes together.
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  I think everybody is on top of the game and series for And
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  Catherine, Tate David Tennant. Absolutely fantastic together.
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  Yeah, yeah. But there is something about
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  Series 3, I don't know if it's because we've we've lost the
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  we've lost Billie Piper and it feels fresh and you been talking
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  to Fraser Gregory, all right? It's not clean.
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  It's not clean on baby. Oh I absolutely.
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  I love Billy Piper but I preferred her with Eccleston
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  Robert. Yeah, I think the public
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  preferred over tenant. I think yeah.
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  That's when it hit it off with the public.
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  Yeah, absolutely. And I think this is I think this
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  was a bit more of a test. I mean, it was a test bringing
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  in tenant after Eccleston but they passed with flying colors.
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  Bringing him a risky. Move about that was as risk.
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  Yeah. I've bring it in trout and after
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  home? Yes.
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  Absolutely. I could have all gone sure.
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  Yeah. But it didn't.
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  And so this was really, Another risky move because people had
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  grown to love Billy and David together.
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  Yeah, and and, and obviously, Chris as well.
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  So within within two to three years, you've got an entirely
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  different cast of actors, their family.
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  Exactly a new family Jones's. I'm assuming you're a fan of
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  authors then Martha's family or just Barbara General, pretty
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  much. But I do like, yeah, I love, I
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  love math. Yeah, I And I love her story arc
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  that she goes through in this, you know.
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  I don't know. I think some a lot of us have
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  been in that situation before where with their unrequited.
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  Yeah, Yeah. Boy, by more times than I care
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  to remember you just, you know, in the end you just have to
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  terminate turn around and say, you know, what better than this,
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  you know, are so convinced that is still the best leaving seen
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  it, is you serious, it's so honest.
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  It is. He's so mature and you've been
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  waiting for her to give him the two fingers, or yeah?
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  If I eat it, then they have a bit of a moment over rows in
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  this one that they the doctor Jack.
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  Yeah, they do. Yeah.
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  Yeah. And and and, and I was sad that
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  she'd left because I was like, no.
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  She's just begun. You know?
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  Where she's gone. She's gone already.
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  So, it was a bit, you know, I was a bit sad that she's gone
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  because I would have liked to seen another series with her.
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  And I know at the time there was I believe, I don't have to was
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  Misremembering, but I think there was talk of a moon going
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  into Torchwood and you did some Torchwood episodes.
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  Didn't she really? Yeah.
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  But but I would have liked to have seen another fall series
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  with her. No, I wouldn't say giving a
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  sontaran two-parter and the doctor's daughter was, you know,
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  an acceptable compromise for a whole season.
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  No. No, absolutely not.
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  Would I be okay. I'm gonna Would I be on the
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  money if I said that series 1 was like anything goes.
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  Yeah, so that's exciting. Because they basically, they're,
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  they're feeling their way in and the kind of doing stuff that
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  they don't really do again and they find their formula.
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  At the same time series 2 is almost like the difficult second
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  album. Like, how can it be as good as
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  series one? Is it as good as TV but that's
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  entirely subjective in some ways they go bigger and Bolder in
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  other ways, it's not quite as exciting.
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  And For before tentative that you've got like David Tennant
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  and you've got Catherine, Tate on their a game.
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  And the story Telly is and the Ark storytelling, and the
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  stories themselves are bold and confident, but I think three is
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  where they really found their confidence.
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  Because I think in Smith and Jones, I remember feeling, okay.
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  Rusty Davis is super comfortable.
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  Here he's gone. What a face from dinnerladies
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  playing a vampire sucking blood out, someone's neck with a
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  straw, you know, Wild Many get Mass, go round it.
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  Doing her bidding. Other off all the shows on fire.
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  At this point there isn't. There's a there's a like a style
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  and a confidence to 3. Yeah.
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  And an even think like down to Maury Gold music.
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  I think it was what back in the day when I was buying albums on
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  CDs and it was it was the Doctor Who soundtrack that I would
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  always listen to sirius three. I think there's such a variety
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  of music. There and I think Marie is he's
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  kind of I think he's really relaxed at that point during
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  Series 3 and I think in serious boring, maybe is a little bit,
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  goes a lipstick, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  That's yeah, that's all I'm gonna tell you how to feel gym
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  this week. All right.
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  Yeah. So yeah, so what can I do it?
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  Please? Because I was listening to this
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  week and there's one track. I really like I love singing the
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  music. Do you mind?
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  No, not at all. Do, do, do, do do, do do.
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  And what was I really run. It was it's the they don't play
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  it much in Utopia. They think it's the do it.
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  It's the do. Do, do, do, do.
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  It's one of those stories that I think it's I think it's I think
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  it's a fantastic story, but is it fantastic because of the
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  master or you know, is it is it a story that could have survived
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  without the master? I don't think it could have done
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  personally but I think it's obviously the master that makes
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  the story. It definitely was.
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  Yeah, for, yeah. It's what it's what it's
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  remembered for because I think if you didn't have all that in
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  it, I don't know if it'd be the most exciting story in the
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  world. If it was just about a bunch of
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  humans going off into space to find Utopia and and then
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  something happens in the next episode, you know, but with the
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  master being in it, I think elevates it.
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  Yeah, I don't disagree. I think the what this does that
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  there's never really been done before.
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  Is that the entire story is building up to that Revelation?
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  Yeah, it kind of hoodwinks you in a brilliant way.
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  But you know what the amount of this is what really shocked me
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  watching. This was the amount of
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  exposition and continuity which Russell Davis Kind of shies away
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  from quite a bit, but he's got to bring Jack back and explain
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  where you've been and why the doctor didn't go after him.
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  They've Yeah. What have we Rose in?
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  Doomsday will see. Got to set up the master using
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  the watches from the family of blood?
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  And I but at the same time as dealing with all that stuff from
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  the past, this story is completely setting up.
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  What is to come which is the master going off at the end of
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  this story and together race going to Utopia which if you'll
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  ask me is the darkest fucking twist they ever, did they tell
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  you what happened to the human race with those little balls
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  open up? Up.
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  Absolutely. Absolutely.
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  It's it. I think it's a very strong Bear,
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  right. And one thing that really kind
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  of struck me was there is a lot of exposition in here.
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  This is a lot of energy as well. Yeah, whenever the exposition is
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  delivered, there is something happening.
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  It's not like it's in the one that just stops, right?
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  We're going to tell you everything you need to know and
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  then the plot will kick up again the place constantly moving in
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  this. Yeah the information just keeps
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  coming. I'm thinking a bit of skill.
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  Think. Yeah.
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  Absolutely. Absolutely.
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  And I think it's it's also that I was thinking about this
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  earlier on and it's one of these one of the first stories that
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  because we've always had the doctor, the Tardis Daleks
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  Cybermen. This is the first for me, the
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  first story which starts to delve back slightly more into
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  the into the show to past because not everybody on the
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  general public, really know about the master.
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  They they do they may have got an inkling of it but everybody
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  knows dialects and Doctor Who go hand in hand.
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  This is the This is the first time where they're taking, not
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  not risk but they're taking a slightly deeper it goes back
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  into the past year. I remember in the radio times
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  that Dreadful journalist whose name, I can't remember now
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  because it's Alison something. Yeah, you know I mean she really
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  didn't like this at all. I think she was like she had any
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  sort of new the new series. Whereas I think all the Fanboys
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  out there this over this aired on my birthday, right?
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  And I was at a dinner and I said, two guys.
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  Sorry, I've gotta wrap this up. I don't care if there's a cake,
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  Going out on its get out and see those things happening to my
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  way. I want to piss off over.
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  So I could go through the best birthday present I've ever had.
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  I was so excited when he turned around and did his part in
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  peace. Derek Jacobi and now.
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  Yeah. So I heard so thanks and and did
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  we, did we know that this was going to happen?
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  Did we know that the master was? Because I didn't, don't remember
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  if I'm remembering false memories, I'd heard a rumor but
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  it was around about the same time that we got the rumors of
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  Ben Kingsley being davros and and it's like do you believe it
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  or do you not believe it? So I still believe that's going
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  to happen, you know so well and I had a double whammy that.
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  Yeah, the macra finally came up that's when the mattress here
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  and then I keep saying what a time to be alive.
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  Well, that should we go in and watch this thing?
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  Yes. Yeah.
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  Let's let me just get myself. Queued up, do us the honors of
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  counting as Satan, okay. Okay.
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  You got a and parcel behind you there on that wardrobe.
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  I'm desperate to know what it is.
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  Actually, it's a big finish CDs. I was it, I'll watch.
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  You know what? Just happened to have another
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  podcast, you know about that. Anyway, after that, I thought
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  about that later. Okay, in five, four, three, two,
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  one, go. If we go, oh good, I got the
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  sound on. Sorry, my scarred it.
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  Well card if we're in Cardiff And of course, following on sort
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  of directly from the end of series 1 of Torchwood.
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  Did you watch torch work? We did?
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  Yeah, I did. Watch it.
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  Pause. Then, for a second, I've got
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  feel like, you didn't like it too much, I liked it.
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  I like some of it. It was, it was a little bit.
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  I wasn't, it wasn't what I was expecting.
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  I was a bit surprised at the the, the adult content within
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  it. Now as I'll probably vote.
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  Yeah. The sex gas cloud.
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  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  It was, it was a bit. I enjoyed aspects of it.
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  And I enjoyed. I enjoyed the second.
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  More I do too. Yeah.
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  Did you just like they all turned out some of the Kinks of
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  the characters in the second year?
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  Yeah, definitely. I think they make them a lot
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  more likeable killed. Most of them off the hook.
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  Yeah. And just hope they killed off.
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  Lovely. Tosh.
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  I know I know I love Tosh. Absolutely love the big finish
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  audios. She's terrific.
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  I've been listening to the big finish audios.
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  There's a lot of big finisher need to listen to do you think?
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  Okay we're here you have a question, you dry off.
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  Do you think then? Because Torchwood has slightly
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  adult Content that seeing Torchwood and Doctor Who sort of
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  weaving them in together because it's almost encouraging kids to
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  go off and watch it even possible.
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  Well, it's interesting because I think, when Series 2 of
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  Torchwood came out, they did some cut down versions of them
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  and showed I'm sure they showed them on BBC, Two on like Friday
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  nights, where they cover the more certain.
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  Yeah. So I think it was near enough
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  impossible for him to do any kind of cut down versions from
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  series 1, but I'm pretty certain they did some cut down versions
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  on foods to Supercar prefer to watch those versions.
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  Yes, sex. And swear it.
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  Take it out. Yeah, and I don't know if they
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  did that bit too. So, kind of encase kids did
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  watch it. Because maybe they had the plan
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  to, you know, eventually merge them together at the end of
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  series four, bro, in the Sarah, Jane Adventures.
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  And we do not worry about the kids after that, they were in
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  the office. A safe pair of hands with a
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  little flavor. Yeah, exactly.
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  Exactly. And can I ask you, do you think
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  there's anything finer than a quarry at night?
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  Oh, talk about this being Like classic Doctor Who I know, I
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  know. And is this, it was this the
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  first planet that we really go to or we visited the planet
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  before and no, you know, we may have seen glimpses and I we went
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  to in the Satan pit we were on were on and that was an
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  asteroid. Really?
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  Yeah. Oh an Army of Ghosts, they're
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  standing on and they lie about it like a two second clip
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  Woody's. Yeah.
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  Line about looking very beautiful.
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  The I think you might be right. Yeah, it was something I was
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  thinking about earlier on, it's very cute, but they've gone back
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  to the old methods of night. Let's do a core Parish Rusty
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  pixel saying in the commentary he went.
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  I guys every time I see that quarry r/cringe David, Tennant's
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  going, y goes yeah we're both classic Doctor Who fans you
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  guys. I know he goes but we should be
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  better than this now, you know? And they're just not God.
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  Look what either one, other tiny bit of trivia.
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  I promise, I will not keep jumping back to the commentary,
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  it's so funny. I've got silly but they were
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  desperate to have John Barrowman, clinging onto the
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  Tardis in the title sequence but they said, because I didn't have
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  time to do it. That's why they put in the sort
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  of the Mad Max. Oh, and beings in before that
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  the titles, otherwise it would have cut it just here and clean
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  it on. It's been great.
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  Yeah, absolutely. Okay.
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  Jeff Derek Jacobi is here. Mmm-hmm one of the best turns?
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  Yeah, yeah. Youyou've is wonderful, isn't
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  he? I mean, and to play two separate
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  characters, basically in, in the episode and want to be so
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  lovable. Yeah.
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  And then to be, you know, to be completely changed into such a
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  different person. Okay, think of one other actor
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  that has done that As accomplished and that is such
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  the wrong inspire people. Yes, exactly.
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  I went to watch cherry-picking. The past is exactly the same
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  thing but it's done extremely well.
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  Oh, absolutely. Yeah.
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  Anything else. I saw him an episode of inside
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  number 9. Was it last year?
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  I feel I must have seen him in other things as well.
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  I've never seen that thing up Pompeii there that's not that's
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  not the one that's. It was hardly ever seen.
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  Really fine clothes. Thank you very much.
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  It's Frankie how earn it. Yeah.
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  But I will say this yeah, he is his performances in the war.
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  Master big finish boxes. I mean we were denied a
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  fantastic Master. You see I've heard that so many
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  times and I'm really tempted to dip into those because some
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  yeah, I mean, I've got a bit of a LoveHate Thing with big
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  finish. I absolutely love them and
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  that's perfectly natural but I can't keep up with what they're
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  releasing at the moment. It is know what, what do I
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  listen to what do, what do I leave?
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  What do I, you know. So, but the choice is now, Jim
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  is with you feed yourself or buy every Big Fish Box each month.
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  You know, is that I'm very tempted to dip into the Jacobi.
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  Master boxsets. Well we'll talk our way.
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  I'll give you a couple of recommendation.
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  It's you like and I'll let you know when they're going cheap as
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  well. Pack up your contacts.
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  Okay. Dare I mentioned.
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  John Barrowman, are we allowed? Yeah, I think we can.
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  I think we can. It's a bit of a difficult one,
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  isn't it? Because I love, I absolutely
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  love Jack and I the pairing of pairing the tightest team of him
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  and Eccleston and Piper. I absolutely love that.
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  And I would have loved to have seen more stories of those
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  three. And so, I've always I've always
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  really liked the character But regardless of different of
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  English, like it before every like a sexy sassy bisexual
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  character, you know? Now it is something so good.
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  Was, it was, it was something that it was, it just something
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  so new to the, to the series. I remember at the time, when
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  Jack came into it, it was just after it was not long after.
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  What do we had do? We have an atom?
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  That's right. Darling.
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  Long day. Yeah.
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  And I remember my mom at the time saying to me when Jack came
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  into it she was like preferred the other guy own knowledge.
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  The irony is he's been canceled too.
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  Yeah. I don't know.
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  Clark series 1830? Well you know it's not my God.
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  Chris, he's on Twitter all the time.
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  Swearing his head off about the planet.
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  Yeah, but you know, I can kind of summary table simply for me.
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  That is that John Barrowman, plays Captain Jack, but Captain
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  Jack is not John Barrowman. Yes.
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  So I can separate the actor and the character and enjoy the
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  character. Yeah, I think you can.
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  I think you can so much else goes into creating a character
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  under the it's the performance yet, it's all in the writing,
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  it's the director is the chemistry of the other actors to
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  Discount all of that work and say, well, that's canceled.
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  So you can't watch that anymore. Yeah.
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  What a load of nonsense. Yeah, you can't.
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  You know, you've To eat. It's not right but it's there
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  and it's again that's not John Barrowman there that's Captain
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  popper. No to make a route joke or two
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  on this thing or Ivar do not get my thingy out every single time
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  I'm talking to you, I know there's a line, you know.
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  Exactly beautiful. Special effect of the
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  conglomeration. Hmm.
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  And that's what Rusty Davis says.
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  He wished. The whole lot could look like
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  that. They were walking around that
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  special that they could do it now.
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  Yeah, yeah because, you know, you never you never really get
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  the sense of the rest of that. Do you from this, from this
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  episode? You see the Quarry with them in
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  it and then you see the special effects Shop, but you never kind
• 22:37
  of get that kind of melding of it.
• 22:39
  They do that power of Crossing with are just at the bottom of
• 22:41
  the screen, then looking over the edge.
• 22:43
  Yeah, with the lion source of all, right?
• 22:45
  And they kind of do it, you know, what, in Planet of the
• 22:47
  users, when they go to the snow planet and you've got sort of
• 22:50
  David Tennant and Catherine Tate in a quarry.
• 22:52
  That's been sprayed with snow. Yeah, superimposed into this
• 22:56
  fabulous CGI landscape. And don't get me wrong.
• 22:58
  I'm not gonna piss on those effects.
• 23:01
  No, no. Good effects.
• 23:03
  But yeah, like to. Yeah, television by progresses.
• 23:08
  Yeah, I'm fast now. Oh, I know, I mean, you know,
• 23:11
  you only have to look up what the, what they're making now,
• 23:13
  Now with Doctor Who with Jodi's latest series and it's just, you
• 23:21
  know, you can watch it and I'm just astonished at how it looks
• 23:24
  now, it's, you know, it's absolutely fantastic in that
• 23:28
  fluxes and I just the imagery in that like regardless of what
• 23:32
  anyone thinks that the storytelling the the visuals
• 23:35
  like the yeah, the sort of the visual salt that you got in
• 23:38
  that. Yeah, I think it was covid
• 23:40
  related as well because they couldn't go outside so much.
• 23:43
  So they have to do this. Each our Landscapes.
• 23:44
  Yeah but yeah boy oh boy it was impressive.
• 23:47
  Yeah and I hope they I hope they keep with that same kind of
• 23:52
  visual when they when we move on to the next era.
• 23:56
  What's been done by Bagwell Productions and they create his
• 23:58
  dog materials and that is my say even A Cut Above what Doctor
• 24:02
  Who's doing now. Yeah.
• 24:03
  So yeah. Fingers crossed.
• 24:04
  Yeah. But do you know there's one
• 24:06
  thing that you can that doesn't really age and that is bloody
• 24:11
  good direction. Hmm.
• 24:13
  And this has got like a momentum and energy.
• 24:17
  Yeah. Life, you know, in the
• 24:20
  performers is in how he shot a great heart.
• 24:24
  Great mother's name. He's amazingly good.
• 24:29
  Yeah I mean look at this this is just You know, a baseball is to
• 24:35
  say that you can't always tell who's directing a new series
• 24:38
  episode but you can always tell when Graeme Harper.
• 24:42
  Absolutely. Absolutely.
• 24:45
  I saw the last 10 minutes of this.
• 24:46
  It's just frantic, isn't it? I know it when I first when I
• 24:51
  first saw it and we got to those last 10 minutes.
• 24:55
  I think I think it's the, the first, the first episode, maybe
• 24:58
  the only episode that actually I was Neil hyperventilating
• 25:03
  watching it. I was on the edge of my seat.
• 25:06
  I would like, I felt like that. This one, I felt like that in
• 25:11
  stolen Earth as well, when that was ramping up towards the Cliff
• 25:15
  Hanger and in waters of Mars in the last 10 minutes as well.
• 25:19
  Yes. Does that sort of pace that sort
• 25:23
  of building up of /? Yeah.
• 25:24
  Yeah, you feel it. Don't you feel you feel that
• 25:27
  kind of the tension kind of ramping up What?
• 25:32
  Okay, I'm gonna go back to Classic series.
• 25:34
  Again, you've got the last of humanity, which feels like a
• 25:37
  very Classic series but it's, it's, you know, a handful of
• 25:40
  people that we see in two locations, Joe didn't tunnel
• 25:44
  wasn't going for rocket, and a weird-looking agent.
• 25:50
  So, I was get the Prosthetics prophetic know, how do you say
• 25:54
  Chris Chris? Chris, the Prosthetics these
• 25:57
  tactics. Yeah, I'll get that.
• 25:58
  They're better. But I was thinking of her a bit
• 26:00
  like Alpha Centauri, this Looking aliens back in the
• 26:02
  middle of August, these people. Yeah, I absolutely love her.
• 26:08
  She's she's again. And again, she's one of those
• 26:11
  characters that Russell's created that she's you fall in
• 26:16
  love with her straight away. Like the professor, you fall in
• 26:19
  love with him, straight away. You fall in love with Linda with
• 26:22
  why straightaway fall in love with jab straight away.
• 26:26
  And then he just pulls them away from you.
• 26:28
  I know, I'm not sure what. You don't get time to mourn
• 26:34
  them, you know, it's just and I was like, that is probably
• 26:37
  something the show is missing after us.
• 26:39
  He Davis goes I say from off it right through to chibnall is, is
• 26:42
  they don't have that ability to instantly create a character
• 26:46
  that you really love. No, no, I know.
• 26:50
  He says, you know, the bit where because I think the bit where
• 26:52
  you really fall for her is where Martha convinces her to swear.
• 26:56
  Yeah, and he went back. Got tell you something, David
• 26:59
  Tennant, so it doesn't say Davidson.
• 27:01
  It says baby. I'm sorry, but the choke came
• 27:05
  first, and then offered the chamfer in afterwards and he
• 27:08
  went. And David Holloway, oh my God,
• 27:10
  it was so genius. He goes, I know, but I just
• 27:11
  wanted more for to teach others swear.
• 27:14
  It's such a lovely scene. Those it and that's it.
• 27:18
  It's just, it's just such a little, you know, the they don't
• 27:22
  get much screen time but in those few minutes that they do
• 27:26
  get the screen time, you see relationships being built.
• 27:30
  And you see that kind of The character building there and
• 27:34
  it's just there's not much of it.
• 27:36
  There's I'm also not much of, there's not much screen time,
• 27:39
  but you see the characters and you see the you know the
• 27:44
  building of the character you believe something.
• 27:46
  Are you do believe the relationship took place before
• 27:50
  this story. Yeah, you know.
• 27:52
  Yeah, not not, I don't always believe.
• 27:54
  Sometimes. I feel like carrots are
• 27:56
  specifically built for the Doctor Who story there in, you
• 27:58
  know, whereas Drink she goes, all know.
• 28:02
  I'm, I'm alright drinking my own, lactic fluid.
• 28:05
  Thank you very much. And it's all guys, yes.
• 28:07
  Well, like a real conversation though.
• 28:14
  You feel like she is, you know, I don't know how long.
• 28:18
  Did they say? How long she's been with the
• 28:20
  professor for? I'm not sure.
• 28:22
  I'm not sure if we don't want a long time, it feels like a long
• 28:25
  time. These days lost.
• 28:27
  She's a lot because I chose to die.
• 28:31
  Yeah. Even happened there.
• 28:33
  You know what? So for a little touches where
• 28:35
  their Jacobi goes up to Jack and goes the doctor.
• 28:38
  Yeah. He's like, no.
• 28:39
  It's me. Oh man.
• 28:44
  You know, Derek Jacobi is like an amazing actor but he abused
• 28:48
  so much warmth in Tiana and a sort of a weariness as well.
• 28:53
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 28:55
  I just want to have a whole series with these people.
• 28:58
  No, this is does without spoiling.
• 29:01
  It is, is, is it chunk? Chunk chunk, though, was it
• 29:04
  chunky? Is she in any of the big finish?
• 29:10
  No audios. Now, know.
• 29:11
  So they all set, I believe that's it after know they got
• 29:16
  this it before I can remember. It is with.
• 29:18
  There's a wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey thing, okay?
• 29:20
  Which makes it means a bit nice. She's not doing it, but he is,
• 29:24
  and it's fucking chilling. Hell, I'll tell you yeah, wow I
• 29:28
  like having an antihero in charge of my series you know?
• 29:31
  Oh yeah yeah I got not got it at how sleek and yeah apparently
• 29:39
  that before this every time they had the hand on it was special
• 29:42
  effects guys. Hands that they modeled really
• 29:45
  kind of went sauce my and it's that massive.
• 29:49
  Can you not do a sculpture of my hand?
• 29:51
  But he's so this is the first time it's a sculpture of his
• 29:54
  hand and he went I went through the whole rigmarole, put my hand
• 29:57
  in plaster of Paris, but it still looks bloody massive or
• 30:00
  screen anyway. Fantastic.
• 30:05
  But this is all Exposition and he's talking about.
• 30:07
  Yeah, Christmas invasion in this place.
• 30:12
  Why do we need to know about the hands?
• 30:16
  Is Jax. Got it always in the sound of
• 30:18
  drums, isn't it? Yeah, it is the hand.
• 30:22
  It reveals a hand. At the end of sound of drums, I
• 30:25
  think it does. It use it to a gym?
• 30:26
  I can't remember. Now is something there is a
• 30:28
  reason think, so it's been it's been a while since I've seen the
• 30:33
  finale the two-part finale. And that was a question,
• 30:35
  actually, that I was thought about really one is, is this, is
• 30:39
  this, a three part finale or is it?
• 30:42
  Yes. Yeah, it is, isn't it?
• 30:44
  I always watched it as a Recall. Yes.
• 30:47
  Yeah, you can't switch it off after this, although we'll have
• 30:49
  to. But I think you could absolutely
• 30:53
  watch Utopia. Yeah.
• 30:55
  And then watched on the drums and last of the time it was as a
• 30:58
  separate thing. Hmm.
• 31:00
  But you you can't watch. I think it's not eats more than
• 31:05
  just a prologue to it, isn't it? It's a it's a, it's a full, it's
• 31:10
  an episode 1 of 3. We say that a couple of times
• 31:13
  have a lathe. A yeah, do your doll.
• 31:15
  I see into essential as five men and toddlers children.
• 31:18
  Yeah. What was the one in series 9
• 31:21
  with the Trap streets face to face the Raven?
• 31:24
  Yeah, haven't said into hell. But yeah, and it's like this.
• 31:27
  The only chance we get to have that sort of six-part classic
• 31:31
  Who legs. Yeah.
• 31:32
  Yeah. It is.
• 31:33
  Yeah. But it does give you breath of
• 31:35
  Storytelling because this this is like in the far future.
• 31:38
  Then we have us then we have like a modern tale which is sort
• 31:43
  of like a spy Thriller type Yale.
• 31:46
  And then it's like, Eileen Invasion story.
• 31:50
  But, yeah, a lot it's a lot happen.
• 31:52
  It is. Yeah, it is.
• 31:55
  That is marvelous. Sorry.
• 32:00
  Okay, what's happening now, I've totally got.
• 32:02
  I'm so busy talk to you. I've stopped looking at the
• 32:04
  screen, he's talking about the, the signal that they discovered
• 32:10
  and talking about the Utopia project, the way he says, come
• 32:14
  to Utopia. Mmm.
• 32:16
  Oddly longing so dark, isn't it? Especially as he thinks he
• 32:20
  thinks he's doing it for the greater good.
• 32:24
  So Is it again? There's a whole load of furnaces
• 32:27
  that they're going to end up in believe.
• 32:28
  So, yeah, Rusty Davis, my put on that demeanor of being this
• 32:32
  dolly blow, it's dark as fuck in here is the next story wipes up,
• 32:37
  10% of the population because he is an end and even worse.
• 32:45
  When you see the takla Fain, it's not just a random guy or an
• 32:49
  adult that you saw in Utopia. It's the child, you know, oh no.
• 32:55
  Is that lovely? Child?
• 32:55
  That won the competition. Yeah, sorry.
• 32:59
  Little kids. This is what you're gonna turn
• 33:01
  into a very dark, isn't it? It is.
• 33:05
  It's like, I do. I love Chan, those little
• 33:08
  mandibles. Yeah, twitch on the side of her
• 33:12
  face. She's good though.
• 33:14
  I mean I love the makeup and I make up that Prosthetics.
• 33:18
  It's really, it's very memorable with it.
• 33:21
  They did. Do those are sort of a lot of
• 33:23
  comic looking monster. This in the rusty David.
• 33:26
  Yeah. But you don't forget them.
• 33:28
  No no no you don't I was never keen on the with the Green
• 33:34
  Cactus people. Oh yeah I'll come up with a cold
• 33:38
  now. Yeah the VIN been fought she
• 33:41
  thought she? Yeah I mean I love.
• 33:44
  I love banner bannakaffalatta. I loved him.
• 33:47
  Oh and the red fly. Do you know what?
• 33:50
  It's you. Oh, you know that Feller.
• 33:51
  That Marquesas played in the waiver wedding of river song?
• 33:53
  I can barely remember what you Looks like what I said to you
• 33:56
  the moxx of balhoon. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 33:59
  Which was used before you be like, yeah, that funny little
• 34:02
  fella, but they do it in the chair with the enormous hit, or
• 34:06
  the Slovenian asked. Do you not think as well, the
• 34:10
  Tenon and Jacoby, have fantastic chemistry.
• 34:14
  Yeah, absolutely. They do.
• 34:16
  And I was thinking about it the other day when I was re watching
• 34:18
  this, I thought I would love to have seen him, kind of as much
• 34:22
  as I like John simm. I would love to have seen It
• 34:25
  continued with Jacoby, you hear all the time, you know about
• 34:30
  song sound to you for like you quite like it faster.
• 34:34
  I like I like him in the sound of drums and I do like him in
• 34:41
  last of the time. Lord, I'm not keen on him in the
• 34:44
  end of time. I think he's slightly over the
• 34:48
  top with all these thing and it's always fucking laughing his
• 34:52
  head off. Yeah.
• 34:54
  But I absolutely adored him in Capaldi's finale season, 10
• 35:00
  finale, I think, I believe he had the nerve to suggest that
• 35:03
  Missy and John Sims master. Fucking.
• 35:06
  I mean I was like are we really going there and knew who I know
• 35:11
  we brought a lot of sex but honest to God.
• 35:14
  Next thing, you know, we're gonna have all the doctors
• 35:15
  coming together in a group session.
• 35:20
  Wants to see that grief. Oh well, so this seems vital,
• 35:25
  isn't it where she talks to a little kid because she one that
• 35:28
  opens up the ball and he says, he has filled with diamond this.
• 35:32
  Yeah. So I'd love to play this
• 35:36
  character at this woman with the teeth.
• 35:38
  Yeah yeah she's got to do is walk ons on the set and look at
• 35:41
  the camera go even I could do that.
• 35:47
  She's fantastic. So the suggestion here is
• 35:50
  obviously this is the master so that Ian has gone the Masters
• 35:53
  intellect and he's created this fantastic engine out of lewd of
• 35:58
  paper clips and yeah like he's on the set of blue Peter.
• 36:01
  Yes. And does look a bit rickety
• 36:04
  actually don't he? Yeah, it does.
• 36:07
  He starts feeling very classic. Who doesn't it?
• 36:09
  Oh, yeah. I mean, it's kind of a bit based
• 36:13
  on The Siege a little bit, especially with the likes of the
• 36:19
  form of the small sets. It does kind of feel like it
• 36:24
  could be a, the trout and story. I like, I like stories that are
• 36:31
  in enclosed sets. I like midnight before he can't
• 36:36
  fault midnight. Can you do not at all know?
• 36:39
  Is that another one of my favorites?
• 36:41
  And a lot of them are in this era of Allah bless, you can't be
• 36:44
  that disappointed in season 5 then of the classic series if
• 36:47
  you like a based on the seat story.
• 36:49
  Oh I love, I love season 5 and we can see the majority of it
• 36:52
  now which is fantastic. If you don't dislike doing this
• 36:57
  too much I'll have to get you back to be one of those.
• 36:59
  I've already touched it. Yeah.
• 37:00
  Twice. But I think I think season 5.
• 37:03
  And works better when you dip in to the stories rather than
• 37:07
  watching a marathon. Very repetitive isn't it?
• 37:09
  What you want to share? What after another?
• 37:11
  I actually found that when I when I did, when I did my last
• 37:14
  marathon few years ago, now watching everything in order, it
• 37:19
  got to some point around the the trout and run.
• 37:22
  Probably in season 5, getting towards season 6 where I was
• 37:27
  like ready for this to. I'm ready for Pertwee now and
• 37:31
  that's awful because I think the story Is absolutely fantastic.
• 37:35
  I think there. But I think it works better when
• 37:38
  you, you know, dip in and out of them.
• 37:41
  And mix them up with all the doctors stories because they do
• 37:43
  get a bit samey. I think Doctor Who runs to a
• 37:47
  formula for a lot of his classic run, depending the producer
• 37:51
  that's in all the creative team that I'm making that particular.
• 37:54
  So you don't, you know, kind of what you're going to get with
• 37:56
  English live. Don't you?
• 37:57
  You either know what you're gonna get with paralyzing Terror
• 37:59
  sticks. It's why people have a bit of
• 38:01
  trouble with 15. I I think because it and you go
• 38:04
  from a horror of fang Rock to Invisible enemy.
• 38:06
  To gives you the fender, I'll to the some makers and you're
• 38:09
  totally, it's like, yeah. Yeah yeah, yeah.
• 38:14
  Between comedy and horror every five.
• 38:16
  Yeah which is I think is what the new series does better.
• 38:21
  I think that bounces from one thing to another.
• 38:24
  It's never, it's never the series.
• 38:27
  Now is never say me. I don't think I don't think.
• 38:30
  I think every story is different.
• 38:32
  The eye These did our diversity. I think really well as well like
• 38:37
  different kinds of stories, but unfortunately, the quality was
• 38:40
  very diverse from Storage story as well, so you never quite know
• 38:43
  if you're gonna get Delta a classic.
• 38:45
  Yeah, very offer back-to-back. Yeah.
• 38:49
  Did you see that bit there? Where they're talking over?
• 38:51
  This is the wonderful bit when she sees me, rather swear, but
• 38:55
  but where she said, oh, you were great.
• 38:57
  You fancy the professor, don't you?
• 38:59
  And they've got a shared thing, they're going to see ya.
• 39:03
  Nice. I know.
• 39:04
  And I just want to see more of I want.
• 39:07
  I want to see more of their relationship.
• 39:10
  Do you recognize her in turn left?
• 39:13
  Yes, he has. Yunge, yeah, she's in the market
• 39:15
  place. Isn't she would do?
• 39:18
  And she's big sadhana. That's all right.
• 39:20
  Yeah. So the episode.
• 39:21
  Yeah, yes, you are. Fascinating.
• 39:34
  But at the end of this, you know, she took off all those
• 39:37
  Prosthetics and things, and she went up to David Tennant, and
• 39:39
  she went David. Hi, Ru.
• 39:49
  So this guy who goes into the chamber, he he burns up inside
• 39:54
  his suit. Doesn't he recently as he turns
• 39:57
  into sort of? Yeah, but why doesn't?
• 40:00
  I Know Jack can't die. But when Jack does it later on,
• 40:03
  why doesn't he? I don't see him burning up.
• 40:06
  I know. Well, logistically we can't see
• 40:09
  him burn into a pile of ashes and then come back together or
• 40:13
  anything. But why doesn't that happen so
• 40:16
  fast? Really good question, live.
• 40:17
  Rather? Hoping I think, Rusty, David is
• 40:19
  hoping you're not thinking about ha ha ha.
• 40:22
  I'm just enjoying the great activist.
• 40:25
  John Barrowman, I think, yeah, critically distracted.
• 40:31
  He thinks for his scripts far more than people give him credit
• 40:34
  for Yeah it does. Yeah yeah.
• 40:36
  But yeah that one did rather sleep here boy.
• 40:38
  Mmm. You see that incredible shot of
• 40:40
  light but enormous rocket engine you know.
• 40:43
  The yeah above it. Mmm.
• 40:45
  Yeah. I never noticed that before
• 40:49
  until until the other night, when I watched it, I didn't
• 40:52
  notice that the rocket engines before.
• 40:54
  See, I never know it until just then.
• 40:56
  So, this is a revelation to me, is one thing about those who is
• 41:02
  it? I think it's one of the reasons
• 41:03
  why we go back apartment being Comfort.
• 41:05
  Watching, is you Duty different things?
• 41:08
  Oh, absolutely, I can listen to this.
• 41:10
  It's just a Thrill Ride, isn't it?
• 41:11
  You're like you're loving them. The reference isn't the master
• 41:14
  and the energy. Yeah.
• 41:15
  Yeah. I think you miss a lot of what
• 41:18
  else is going on in the background because you're so,
• 41:20
  you're so caught with with that actual energy and the scene
• 41:24
  that's playing out in front of you that you miss, all the
• 41:26
  little things in the background like they've attended with say,
• 41:29
  you know, all the families that you see, sort of in the corridor
• 41:32
  like, Yay, props Department made it.
• 41:35
  So each family area was distinctive with with like
• 41:39
  details that were unique to that family and he goes.
• 41:42
  All right guys, you got the cameras, go so fast down there.
• 41:45
  You don't notice any of it. They were still they were
• 41:48
  putting in. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, first.
• 41:53
  This is what radiation does to your kids.
• 41:55
  Yeah. Oh, did you say that?
• 41:57
  They're now, she just for a way that's parking wire.
• 42:01
  Hmm. He's showing that those, those
• 42:03
  come loose and they spark up and that's important later on
• 42:07
  important later on. Yeah, mmm.
• 42:11
  My seeing frame regimen and John Barrowman getting off there.
• 42:15
  What's going on? It's it's his line.
• 42:17
  When he wakes up when he comes back to life with somebody
• 42:21
  kissing me. I don't know what, you know,
• 42:23
  what Sage so badly, though. Obviously in the in the wake of
• 42:26
  Revelations about John Burroughs behavior is a his character then
• 42:30
  flirts with every single person in every single story and your
• 42:33
  guy. Oh no, you know, every time yeah
• 42:36
  it's a little bit. Yeah.
• 42:39
  But it was so refreshing at the time, especially that it was for
• 42:42
  men and women, you know. Yeah.
• 42:46
  Absolutely loved Jack. Absolutely.
• 42:50
  Oh my god. Did you realize it doesn't
• 42:53
  affect your clothes? Why are you taking it off or
• 42:55
  what? Speaking when I say I think this
• 43:07
  is one of the best acted scenes in this season between the two
• 43:11
  of them and is because David Tennant's allowed to be
• 43:13
  completely understated. Yeah.
• 43:15
  A bit. So frightening and flirty as
• 43:19
  well. Yeah, II do love, I do love it.
• 43:23
  When tenant goes a little bit darker, a little bit darker, but
• 43:28
  a bit quieter. But yeah, I tenant is not my
• 43:33
  new. He's not, he's not my favorite
• 43:35
  new series doctor. I absolutely love him.
• 43:38
  Yes, right now is the poly offer you the same as me, is there?
• 43:42
  No, we got our punch up. No.
• 43:45
  I mean I do like math. I do to really it's just my
• 43:49
  least favorite. That's all.
• 43:51
  Yeah, yeah he's yeah but I think yeah, Capaldi there was
• 43:56
  something about him. I don't know if it was because I
• 43:57
  was excited that we finally got an older doctor again and but
• 44:02
  he's just there's something different about Capaldi.
• 44:05
  Probably couldn't strided through the Classic Series
• 44:08
  without changing a thing. Oh, absolutely.
• 44:11
  Yeah, absolutely. But 10 and I love it when When
• 44:15
  he gets a little bit little bit darker.
• 44:19
  I love his character in Broadchurch.
• 44:22
  I don't know if he'd ever seen your team broadcasters for
• 44:25
  fantastic turn. Yeah, basically yeah.
• 44:30
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And of course, I can see, I can
• 44:37
  see why he is kind of the public fell in love with him, you know,
• 44:41
  and that's great. And that's what each that's what
• 44:43
  should have happened. And that's, that's what did.
• 44:45
  Happen. But I still would have loved to
• 44:48
  have seen a more of that lie, more, bitter, not, bitter.
• 44:52
  That's not the right word, is it?
• 44:53
  But as slightly. Yeah a quieter.
• 44:56
  It's what makes episodes like. Midnight so amazing when he's
• 44:59
  out of control. Oh yeah.
• 45:00
  Loses control of the crap and and even like Wars of Mars the
• 45:05
  end we're like he's so fucking arrogant.
• 45:08
  He's bought into his own myth and think that things are off
• 45:11
  and I can do what I like and I yeah, yeah.
• 45:16
  I mean I mean that was a point where like now you got to go now
• 45:18
  are you and David Tennant. You have bought into your own
• 45:21
  myth here so I could do anything.
• 45:27
  I can't you see that jacobi's. Got a tear going down his face
• 45:30
  there when he's looking at the Tardis.
• 45:33
  Yeah I just got here was the first time we've all this
• 45:36
  playing out and then this is really isn't it where it really
• 45:40
  starts to build your kind of he's listening in the background
• 45:46
  to them and you're getting all the kind of the exposition of
• 45:50
  what happened and the bitter killed me was when Roger Delgado
• 45:54
  comes in going and you will surrender your power to me.
• 45:58
  Yeah, I know who he is because we didn't we didn't get kind of
• 46:05
  flashbacks to and it's done. It's a sound clip but we didn't
• 46:08
  get flashbacks to the classic series really at this point so
• 46:13
  to hear Roger dog. It's time.
• 46:15
  Jesus Christ every five minutes, a flashback to stomach.
• 46:20
  No, I mean I won't pretend I didn't love it every time, but
• 46:24
  it was a lot. It was a yeah, and II.
• 46:27
  Sorry, good. I was just gonna say, I hear,
• 46:30
  they wanted to have a clip of Eric Roberts, but Fox wouldn't
• 46:34
  allow them to to do it and he does find you and I always
• 46:39
  dress, okay. I don't know.
• 46:52
  This is an ambulance. Wow, you know, it was it was.
• 47:10
  Yeah, I was 14 when that came out and I was The only Doctor
• 47:15
  Who fan in the school and I ran around the school, telling
• 47:19
  people how awesome it was and how fantastic it was and nobody
• 47:24
  was interested. I got Daphne Ashbrook to do one
• 47:32
  of those Cameo things for him. Oh wow, she's amazing.
• 47:36
  She's they're going. Hi Mark, you know, I love the TV
• 47:39
  movie. It all came together was
• 47:41
  amazing. I wish it had gone to Syria.
• 47:44
  Wonderful. Wow, sorry.
• 47:46
  Okay, we go t, take it away from Derek Jacobi.
• 47:48
  Lakhtin talking about Daphne Ashbrook doing a Costco and and
• 47:52
  what I love about this is it's kind of like Martha's sort of
• 47:56
  excitement at seeing that and how she seems kind of excited to
• 48:02
  tell the doctor that. Oh my god.
• 48:04
  There might be another one of your people here.
• 48:06
  Yeah. But he's like yeah but who could
• 48:10
  who? I know what I saw but we've had
• 48:12
  enough of a two and a half. Seasons.
• 48:14
  Now all of your the last of your kind without a hint of you're
• 48:18
  not alone, it's the perfect time to hit with this now.
• 48:21
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 48:22
  It is. Yeah.
• 48:23
  And who else was it going to be? Who the hell else is it gonna
• 48:25
  be? You know, what else he doesn't.
• 48:27
  So sneaky is he gives another reason or human nature deserve
• 48:31
  to exist, just because it's incredible.
• 48:33
  Yeah, but obviously it also exists to make this twist.
• 48:37
  Lance. Yeah.
• 48:39
  Yeah. And look at what we've got from
• 48:42
  this, as well, from from Human Nature.
• 48:44
  We've got this, and then we've got, we've got the Roof Doctor,
• 48:51
  did you do an episode when I won't say that?
• 48:53
  Yeah, okay. Just say a lot of Christian, or
• 48:54
  does cherry-pick the best of this theorem because he does,
• 48:57
  but yet he always pulls it off. Well, I do think he absolutely
• 49:01
  does. It does it in the right way.
• 49:03
  He's a much underrated. I feel, I don't know where you
• 49:06
  language. No, but I feel like he is
• 49:08
  underrated. I'm, I'm a big fan.
• 49:11
  Of his era, I can see its faults but but I'm the sort of person
• 49:16
  who sees the, I try to see the good in every, in every episode.
• 49:23
  So I try to, you can come back on this thing anytime you like.
• 49:28
  Yeah, I love it. And you know, GM the chip
• 49:32
  malaria is been there through a lot of a lot of very different
• 49:37
  parts of my life. So I'm quite Quite I'm not
• 49:42
  looking forward to the Jim Lehrer ending to be fair.
• 49:45
  I've really enjoyed it and flux just topped it off for me.
• 49:49
  I absolutely adored flux sorry.i.
• 49:53
  It was just the best thing in the world and Maybe I'm in the
• 49:57
  minority but I say I had all the time.
• 50:00
  These children as well. Oh my good gravy.
• 50:03
  Honestly, I pray Sir. Gregory's going to buy you out
• 50:05
  for a point. There's a lot of.
• 50:10
  There's a few things I don't, but yes.
• 50:12
  Yeah. Oh yeah.
• 50:13
  Absolutely so. But I will definitely say the
• 50:16
  big hitting moments of Chip nal's.
• 50:18
  Time are generally redone expertly well moments from yes
• 50:24
  this time. Yeah, absolutely.
• 50:26
  And why not? He's looking back to what works
• 50:28
  and God you know I worked I'm going to do it and I'll do it
• 50:31
  even better. I can.
• 50:33
  Oh my God, here we go. Oh god.
• 50:35
  Oh oh no. Watch is about to open.
• 50:38
  Look at his look, his face there.
• 50:42
  It's just You think she's always been the watching that last
• 50:46
  episode? What Jody?
• 50:50
  Mmm. Yeah.
• 50:51
  I think it will be a rather dangling plot point if she
• 50:55
  doesn't. Yeah.
• 50:56
  Because I don't, I don't think Russell's going to pick up any
• 50:59
  of the threads. Now imagine where I'm not even
• 51:02
  the time these children or any of it that you know, I don't
• 51:06
  think I don't think you pick up any of it, the direction here.
• 51:11
  The music. And, you know, it takes an actor
• 51:14
  of some skill to go from being very good.
• 51:19
  The very evil just with the eyes.
• 51:21
  I think I'm getting it, I'm getting children watching it
• 51:23
  now. Oh yeah, there's something I
• 51:26
  suppose. So you are not alone and the
• 51:29
  rockets going up. It is all happening at once, you
• 51:32
  know. Yeah.
• 51:33
  It's like he's Paces episodes so.
• 51:35
  Well, is that would excite was going to hit you in one moment
• 51:38
  and here we go. The turn to the camera.
• 51:42
  I mean, this is Iconic, isn't it?
• 51:44
  This Look at his eyes. He's gonna he's gone on the
• 51:49
  professor is just dumb. Yeah.
• 51:51
  And you know how he plays the be in a minute I think is one of
• 51:54
  the most of adult performance is when he's going.
• 51:57
  But process. Yeah, and then he has that line.
• 52:01
  Oh, now I can say I was provoked, he's essentially
• 52:05
  saying always going to kill you anyway but now I can say I had a
• 52:09
  reason that is so scary. It's cruel, isn't it?
• 52:12
  It's horrible and she's so nice. I know.
• 52:16
  And what Graeme Harper does that, I think is absolutely
• 52:19
  genius is, he's got her holding the gun and that strobe light
• 52:22
  going off in her face. So you just see flickers of her
• 52:25
  fear? Yeah.
• 52:26
  Yeah. Actually sort of try to go into
• 52:28
  the shadows and you kiss, keep seeing house for how great she
• 52:31
  is as he comes to. Also, with eyes, rific,
• 52:34
  desperation as well. In, you know, the person that
• 52:38
  she's fallen in love with his gone.
• 52:40
  Totally gone. Yeah.
• 52:41
  Terrible man Rusty Davis. All right.
• 52:45
  Killing off the favor. Well, honestly, Linda with a
• 52:49
  y-yeah chamfer, but but, but it happens with the with Joan as
• 52:55
  well. Doesn't it in Family Blood?
• 52:58
  She loses him. I'm going to absolutely riveted
• 53:03
  watching this. Now I'll plus they're doing a
• 53:05
  ton of running down corridors, so I'm getting absolute.
• 53:08
  Peter Davison Vibes here. Yeah, I think this is this and
• 53:15
  The Impossible Planet of maybe silence in the library.
• 53:20
  They're the three that feel most like, classic Doctor Who to me?
• 53:23
  Yes, the first various reasons. Yeah, I agree.
• 53:27
  I agree. But this is like classic Doctor
• 53:29
  Who, With new series energy. Yeah.
• 53:33
  And this, this is what else? He's so cruel to her, you with
• 53:36
  your chance and you those, it's like you you can't just kill
• 53:40
  her. You need to put it down as well.
• 53:43
  You know, he goes what's in? The professor was an invention
• 53:46
  so perfect that. Yeah, I even forgot that, you
• 53:51
  know, I did it to myself asked. Great.
• 53:54
  Oh god. Oh, you know this bit here we
• 53:56
  goes. The master.
• 54:00
  Yeah. Well, he said, you know,
• 54:01
  Russians knows, he shouldn't really said that, then really
• 54:04
  the first time you should hear that.
• 54:05
  He's the master is when David Tennant, says it in one of the
• 54:09
  scenes and he goes. But then, I realized that David
• 54:13
  Garrett. Jacoby would never get to say.
• 54:14
  I am the mom and I had an argument with Julie Gardner
• 54:18
  who's going? No David Tennant's call.
• 54:19
  So. Yeah, and he's going.
• 54:20
  No, the Fanboy rules that's gonna say it.
• 54:24
  And so it was a good ol, Russell, that shot.
• 54:28
  Through the glass. I think that's one of his
• 54:32
  signature shots. Graeme Harper is that he goes
• 54:34
  glass or a square ones in every one of his episodes.
• 54:39
  Yeah. Tell you what, the others were,
• 54:40
  but I have heard that. Yeah, there's just so much
• 54:44
  energy. Here is a and then we've had
• 54:46
  that whole transformation from him to the master, and then
• 54:49
  that's beaten by this fucking chilling regeneration in the
• 54:54
  tar, The Scream. And he's kind of like smiling
• 54:59
  isn't it as well as the energy is coming out, you can't.
• 55:04
  I love the fact that he locks the door by just Russell T.
• 55:10
  Davies had a bitter laugh, their heads off Kylie.
• 55:12
  Can you believe that's how we started getting rusty?
• 55:16
  And again, I can't believe we got away with it.
• 55:19
  He's just such a doctor who thing though isn't it?
• 55:24
  But also like we haven't really mentioned motion from Ari Gold.
• 55:27
  We're the beginning, but he's music in the last 10 minutes.
• 55:30
  Oh yeah. Is that kind of, I'm not going
• 55:33
  to do it. But that kind of Do do, do, do,
• 55:37
  do do yeah, that's really great. Say, I'm glad to know we're on
• 55:48
  the same page. Here we go and then the no music
• 55:53
  now, sort of going do no, no, no, don't don't sorry.
• 55:59
  I'm getting very excited. It's a B & Isles.
• 56:09
  Look at that, I energy and it is it's if you notice it's darker,
• 56:13
  the wind Eccleston turned into. Yeah.
• 56:18
  That was all sort of, you know, Angelica like yeah, yeah.
• 56:22
  What about the windows is hardest Windows.
• 56:24
  Yeah. And it's the, it's the eyes.
• 56:27
  John Sims eyes as well. The continue know, the kind of
• 56:30
  did regeneration energy in his eyes as well.
• 56:34
  I've heard very cruel, people say that Jonathan gives his best
• 56:37
  performance in this last second and then after that, it's all
• 56:39
  downhill from there, I don't agree with that.
• 56:41
  Don't get me wrong. No, no.
• 56:43
  You know what? I worked in a nursery one's
• 56:45
  right for about a year and as you can imagine the kids adored
• 56:48
  me but there was this one kid there, I thought was absolutely.
• 56:52
  Psychotic was all manic energy and practical jokes and quite
• 56:58
  violent. I swear to God that's who John
• 57:01
  simm based his master on because he Yeah, little kids.
• 57:06
  Yeah, and he's completely different now.
• 57:10
  You see what I liked about this is that for a long time, I'd
• 57:19
  only seen what Delgado inanely and Eric Roberts, and I'd always
• 57:26
  imagined the master should be a, you know, a dark-haired bearded
• 57:30
  man. And it wasn't until I saw
• 57:33
  Jacoby. And then John Sim that doesn't
• 57:35
  have to be that you know. It's he's a Time Lord like the
• 57:39
  doctor we can look and you can be any way that they want him to
• 57:43
  be so, you know, really since since this, we've had so many
• 57:49
  different kind of versions of the master.
• 57:53
  Do you not think though in new series they do such a good job
• 57:57
  of paralleling sort of the master and the doctor as idea
• 58:01
  for or doing the polar opposite is always such a Herring.
• 58:05
  Yeah, save him. And Tenon.
• 58:08
  Hang on. Let me get her.
• 58:09
  Gomez and Capaldi. Yeah.
• 58:11
  Lambda 1 and Jodie Whittaker. Yeah.
• 58:13
  Yeah. I just Fizzles it Fizzles every
• 58:16
  day at a time. Oh, it ended.
• 58:18
  It's finished. Yeah.
• 58:19
  What happened there at the end? They were stuck trying to hold
• 58:24
  the door closed, the future. Can we trying to get it?
• 58:28
  And regardless of gum Julie Gardner was piss at the end when
• 58:31
  she read the script. And she said, look, I need to
• 58:34
  know how did I get out of it and cross it over?
• 58:38
  That's all we do. We just snapped, Jack sport X
• 58:40
  manipulator enough, they win when she went.
• 58:43
  Are you really gonna go with that?
• 58:45
  If I don't like yeah, we don't want to waste time.
• 58:49
  Trying to resolve Cliffhanger do.
• 58:52
  The better, the better Cliffhangers are the ones that
• 58:54
  you kind of, you put in that Jeopardy and then it's resolved,
• 58:59
  I think because you just don't want to be stuck hanging around
• 59:04
  trying to solve something when you need to get on with the rest
• 59:06
  of the story. But the next story, rather, I'm
• 59:09
  going to steal observation from my good friend.
• 59:12
  Nathan bought me from fly for entirety, but the genius of this
• 59:16
  Cliff Hanger, is that John simm. Now transports back to the End
• 59:21
  of Series 2, and is present throughout the whole series
• 59:25
  free. But we've already watched
• 59:27
  manipulating all the events I think is just Jean.
• 59:31
  Yeah, you know, yeah, it's out muff.
• 59:34
  It muff it before Moffat came along, you know.
• 59:38
  It's wonderful. How do you know like him?
• 59:41
  Yeah, we said there's the, the sort of three parts.
• 59:43
  So, we're face the Raven into. Oh, good grief, Heaven saying.
• 59:48
  Yeah, and Okay grace. Help me out here squab.
• 59:53
  Oh, dear Dottie into as well. I think they are all very good.
• 1:00:01
  Sort of third from the End episodes.
• 1:00:03
  Well, I don't think they're as excited as this tide over your
• 1:00:06
  desperate to see them. No, no, no, no.
• 1:00:09
  No, you're not. No.
• 1:00:10
  Absolutely. You know, do you think It'll
• 1:00:16
  probably know the answer. But do you think the master
• 1:00:21
  reveal was done better in this or in spy for part one?
• 1:00:27
  Because I had no internal things spider one.
• 1:00:30
  You'd have asked me last week are the said, spy fall.
• 1:00:33
  Hmm. Revisiting it.
• 1:00:34
  This week. It's so good.
• 1:00:36
  Yeah, it's a hard call. I'd probably say this by like a
• 1:00:40
  mm. Yeah.
• 1:00:42
  Because I think that Cliffhanger is wife always Sublime.
• 1:00:45
  Yeah, absolutely. I had no idea again.
• 1:00:50
  I think I had an inkling that the master was going to be in
• 1:00:52
  this, so it's so it but the execution of it's probably
• 1:00:59
  better in this episode than in spiteful because I thought it
• 1:01:02
  was more of a surprise for me. Yeah, for me, I chili you jumped
• 1:01:06
  out of my seat and punch the air when the reveal came in
• 1:01:09
  spiteful, because Dhawan was so convincing, yeah.
• 1:01:13
  Oh yeah, yeah. Oh, man.
• 1:01:15
  This guy's lovely Ann. He's so hot.
• 1:01:18
  I hope he goes, he's gonna go with him and I know that.
• 1:01:20
  Yeah, I want to get rid of that free, and I've got a bit of an
• 1:01:29
  unfair question for you, okay? Before we go into our reasons,
• 1:01:33
  as to why to give it a million reasons to recommend this.
• 1:01:36
  But do you imagine that Johnson's Master will do a
• 1:01:40
  better job in government than list Truss?
• 1:01:49
  Well, judging by what's happening at the moment?
• 1:01:52
  Yes. Well, do ya, I mean, have you
• 1:01:55
  say, you know she's got into key positions if she if he just did
• 1:01:59
  that and gas them all like he doesn't sound of drums that big
• 1:02:01
  a star. Wouldn't it application for the
• 1:02:06
  death penalty of the current UK government as a bit extreme?
• 1:02:09
  But sorry, I was being such a gracious.
• 1:02:15
  It's okay. Come on, m, 3 reasons as a male
• 1:02:18
  say, is what he did extremely well in that commentary.
• 1:02:21
  What were you worried about? Nothing, obviously Doctor, Who
• 1:02:27
  is easiest thing in the world, okay, three reasons.
• 1:02:32
  One apiece. You then me.
• 1:02:35
  Let's go. Well, I'm going to have to go
• 1:02:38
  with Derek Jacobi. Damn you.
• 1:02:44
  He's He doesn't, you know, he makes absolutely wonderful,
• 1:02:49
  Professor Yana, and then totally turns and becomes absolutely
• 1:02:55
  fantastic Master. For however, many minutes we saw
• 1:02:58
  him, he makes the character in zone, both characters and the
• 1:03:04
  fact that you can play two characters in one story is
• 1:03:08
  absolutely amazing. I don't fact that he's that
• 1:03:11
  memorable with that little screen time as the master.
• 1:03:14
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, artists are fast a couple
• 1:03:16
  of those Anthony ainley stories. You don't have a bit more Derek
• 1:03:19
  Jacobi. Absolutely.
• 1:03:20
  Absolutely. Okay, well, I'm going to say all
• 1:03:25
  the classic series elements that are in play with us and I know,
• 1:03:28
  Rusty Davis was wincing a little bit as he was writing it,
• 1:03:31
  because he knew it was leaning a bit too much into the classic
• 1:03:34
  series. The Quarry, the end of humanity,
• 1:03:36
  like the high Concept in, you know, in three rooms with a tiny
• 1:03:41
  cast. I am a huge fan of classic.
• 1:03:45
  Who? So when the new series leads
• 1:03:47
  into that, I am beguiled. Yeah.
• 1:03:50
  Absolutely. I think I will go for probably
• 1:03:55
  the return of Jack because it's something that we wanted we've
• 1:04:02
  been waiting for or I'd been waiting for since the end of See
• 1:04:05
  It Cece was one and and it was built up a little bit in
• 1:04:10
  Torchwood and just getting him back there.
• 1:04:15
  And taking him out of that, kind of really kind of gloomy series,
• 1:04:23
  one of Torchwood and putting him back into Doctor Who where the
• 1:04:29
  character clearly suit. It suits got to better the
• 1:04:33
  character because he's fun and Torchwood.
• 1:04:35
  Wasn't always fun in persons, at least I love children of Earth
• 1:04:40
  but that India where they made him kill his nephew.
• 1:04:42
  Yeah. What about Little bit too.
• 1:04:46
  Dark Valium, I'm album one dog. That is dark.
• 1:04:49
  As you know about an issues annoy me but yeah hook them up
• 1:04:54
  and murdered him just like well maybe save the old toy.
• 1:04:57
  They don't listen to this but does nice.
• 1:05:00
  Doesn't he slopped brilliantly with the tenant and a German as
• 1:05:03
  well. Parent was he does and I wish we
• 1:05:07
  could have seen a little bit more of that because we don't
• 1:05:10
  and we see them go into the next two episodes and I absolutely
• 1:05:15
  Lutely, love the sound of drums, where it's the three of them and
• 1:05:18
  then they're walking the streets.
• 1:05:20
  And they kind of just trying to hide hide out.
• 1:05:24
  I love that exciting players kept playing this.
• 1:05:29
  You know, they're currently in my office flat right now and the
• 1:05:31
  sound of drums that bombs about to go off, they're about to go
• 1:05:36
  wheel on stage already and that will do it for a bit, you know,
• 1:05:39
  since they're saying, yeah, I would have, I would have loved
• 1:05:43
  to have seen Some. Some episodes standard episodes
• 1:05:49
  with, with that team, I would have loved to have seen that.
• 1:05:52
  I think really want. Okay, well, I'm gonna go next
• 1:05:56
  1000, of course, are very are bang on about the direction,
• 1:05:59
  quite a lot. In this diagram Harper is the
• 1:06:03
  best. I don't think he's one of the
• 1:06:04
  best. I think he's the best for his to
• 1:06:07
  from classic and the ones he did in new series.
• 1:06:11
  I just don't think there's anyone fire in terms of like,
• 1:06:15
  kinetic energy, And momentum and for making member like those
• 1:06:20
  seems like rose hanging onto the lever.
• 1:06:23
  At the end of dudes day. Yeah, I know the doctors fake
• 1:06:27
  regeneration in the stolen Earth.
• 1:06:29
  Mmm, are those disgusting zombies puking out water in?
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  I mean, you just remember it's episodes to do.
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  Yeah. And I would love to have seen
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  him do more in the new series as well.
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  Like, you know, now episodes now, Maybe some of them off
• 1:06:48
  episodes, but did you not hear? I think that grandmother said
• 1:06:56
  there was somebody he wouldn't work with in and I thought why
• 1:07:00
  stop making them wear them off enjoying?
• 1:07:03
  I don't know if that's the case. I think it's a strange time to
• 1:07:06
  lose the best director the show. Yeah I just made that up, you
• 1:07:11
  know, my schedule a big gossip, you know.
• 1:07:16
  A lot of bullshit. Okay, what is that?
• 1:07:20
  We don't reach was up to. No, I don't think.
• 1:07:22
  I've got one more, we both got one more, I will have to say the
• 1:07:26
  music because I've not I'm not going back on myself because I
• 1:07:34
  love more Eagles music. However, it's not.
• 1:07:38
  It doesn't always, it doesn't always land for me.
• 1:07:41
  The music. I think sometimes it's a little
• 1:07:44
  bit too bombastic in scenes with doesn't need to be bombastic.
• 1:07:49
  However, it works in this episode, it works what it works
• 1:07:54
  with the acting, it works with the visuals that works with the
• 1:07:56
  direction, I think it's absolutely spot-on in this
• 1:07:59
  episode. I know we spoke.
• 1:08:02
  For about music telling you how to feel but this really does
• 1:08:09
  work without was no, I'm saying. I don't know what I think I can.
• 1:08:14
  Oh look an in-service 12. I think he really upped his game
• 1:08:17
  and in episodes like spy for money.
• 1:08:20
  Added energy with his music. It is eleven.
• 1:08:23
  It was all that the ambient and a big wire and I was like, whoa,
• 1:08:26
  whistle the pace got in this show, what's going on?
• 1:08:29
  Yeah, I think gold was probably at his worse, when he was Doing
• 1:08:32
  comedy music. It's like yeah, remember kids,
• 1:08:35
  You Gotta Laugh at this point and when that's Nick walked into
• 1:08:37
  a tree and it goes, don't you know.
• 1:08:40
  Yeah, yeah exactly but but in this story it just works, it
• 1:08:44
  works. Okay?
• 1:08:46
  Then my third one is going to be.
• 1:08:51
  Oh my God. I'm stumped.
• 1:08:53
  Hang on. Got that out of this has ever
• 1:08:55
  happened before. Looking at your pretty face.
• 1:08:58
  I got me think. Let me think, let me think.
• 1:09:03
  Let me think you said, Derek Jacobi?
• 1:09:05
  I'm you. Oh my God.
• 1:09:07
  I mean, how could I forget that? Gorgeous chantho.
• 1:09:11
  Yeah. Who is like a One-Shot alien
• 1:09:14
  character? I absolutely brilliant.
• 1:09:16
  Played to Perfection funny, charming and murdered in the
• 1:09:21
  most obscene manner possible. She's a great characteristic
• 1:09:29
  exemplifies Brasi Davis's. Enormous talent in capturing
• 1:09:34
  like a vivid character economically so quickly.
• 1:09:38
  Yeah, it's just a stick. Well, Jim, that was your first
• 1:09:44
  commentary. How'd it go?
• 1:09:46
  I really enjoyed it. We have.
• 1:09:48
  Absolutely and wanting to do one for a while, but I never had the
• 1:09:55
  kind of the guts to say. Yeah, let me do one.
• 1:10:00
  So I'm glad you asked me. Okay, so I come one, come on
• 1:10:03
  this podcast, you know, but I think that should be the great,
• 1:10:06
  you know, like everyone, everyone's got an opinion.
• 1:10:08
  Everyone should have a sight that met our site often.
• 1:10:11
  You got a fabulous for you. Should be a DJ.
• 1:10:13
  You know, it's reckon that's true.
• 1:10:15
  I'll do. But, can I ask you where we're
• 1:10:19
  going next? Because this has already been
• 1:10:20
  determined. Yes, we are going to watch a
• 1:10:25
  Jody episode. We are going to watch.
• 1:10:30
  Can you hear me? Joe, I'm surprised you Joker's.
• 1:10:33
  I free Rosary at you Punjab. Revolution of the Daleks and you
• 1:10:38
  chose. Can you hear me?
• 1:10:39
  Absolutely. A spoiler for the next
• 1:10:42
  recording. Can you please tell me why?
• 1:10:46
  Well, to be fair, I what I did I was going to pick your teacher.
• 1:10:50
  Would it take you away to start with?
• 1:10:53
  But then can you hear me? Because it's, it's a story that
• 1:11:00
  when I watched it. It kind of affected me quite
• 1:11:05
  deep, man, I didn't affect me deeply but it was a lot of
• 1:11:08
  things in it and elements and it resonated with me, you know,
• 1:11:12
  talking about mental health issues and things like that.
• 1:11:16
  And I've been through a little bit of that.
• 1:11:19
  So I felt it was the right one to do out of out of that you and
• 1:11:27
  me might be kindred spirits in that respect speaking of
• 1:11:30
  somebody who's back. With mental health, black ones
• 1:11:33
  on life that I thought that was a really mature take on within
• 1:11:39
  the Doctor Who for Matt. Yeah, and yeah.
• 1:11:42
  Bit of the end. Everyone seems to criticize.
• 1:11:44
  Well, yeah. Graham talks to the doctor.
• 1:11:47
  Hmm. I think that is beautifully
• 1:11:50
  judged, I dad maybe you might, you might just kick it.
• 1:11:53
  I think it's all kind of subjective on people's own
• 1:11:56
  experiences. But what I've experienced that
• 1:11:58
  when I've tried to talk to people about, yeah, mental
• 1:12:00
  health issues, and things like that.
• 1:12:01
  Absolutely. And I'm the sort of person who I
• 1:12:08
  often struggle to talk about my feelings, not so much.
• 1:12:13
  Now I'm a little bit better now but you know I've always been,
• 1:12:16
  you know somebody if somebody if somebody's came to speak to me
• 1:12:19
  and they you know, they said that they would be there.
• 1:12:23
  Something a died or that they have no illness or something.
• 1:12:26
  I don't know. I mean, just recently A friend
• 1:12:30
  of mine is told me that they've got cancer and I don't know how
• 1:12:35
  to react to that. How are you supposed to do?
• 1:12:41
  Yeah. What can you what can you do for
• 1:12:43
  your the latitude of care? Yeah, but you possibly absorb
• 1:12:46
  that and then yeah bring that is the solution to that.
• 1:12:50
  Yeah, yes it's for me, it was just a bit.
• 1:12:53
  It was a bit like okay, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:13:09
  But as well is one of those episodes where they absolutely
• 1:13:13
  use all the regulars. Poignantly.
• 1:13:16
  Yes and it has that wonderful sequence That animated sequence.
• 1:13:21
  Yes. In that incredible as well.
• 1:13:23
  That was amazing. I first saw that plus, you know,
• 1:13:26
  I'm gonna ask you one more question before we go.
• 1:13:28
  Make sure your blood, but why on Earth would you do if you fell
• 1:13:32
  asleep at night and you woke up and in the Moonlight, coming for
• 1:13:35
  your window, is that I'll get started with his fingers hanging
• 1:13:39
  off his hands. Fucking chilling.
• 1:13:44
  Isn't it terrifying? I couldn't believe that was,
• 1:13:47
  that was on 7:00 on on a Sunday evening at 7:00, my little
• 1:13:52
  guinea pigs, watch. Sure, that, you know, Jesus, the
• 1:13:55
  horror film and, you know, is one of the very few times as
• 1:13:59
  well, where a woman both directs and writes the episode 2.
• 1:14:03
  Yeah, yeah. Is criminally underrated.
• 1:14:06
  Can you hear me? Oh yeah, it is.
• 1:14:08
  It is, I I did a big Jody re-watch earlier in the year.
• 1:14:14
  I rewatched everything, and I forgot how much I enjoyed the
• 1:14:18
  episode. And I think also a lot of the,
• 1:14:22
  the chip, an Woods a better watched outside of the hype.
• 1:14:27
  So, yeah, for sure this. Oh, you wound up ready for
• 1:14:32
  what's gonna happen this time was gonna.
• 1:14:33
  And I think that's what happened with a lot of series 11.
• 1:14:36
  See ya series 11, where people were so hyped for each episode
• 1:14:42
  and then people came away disappointed because it was it
• 1:14:45
  was they were quieter episodes. Whereas I think now a lot of
• 1:14:50
  series 11 has been reappraised by piece.
• 1:14:53
  Because a lot. Yeah, yeah, it's not it's not in
• 1:14:56
  that cloud of, you know, of hype, we're using, every episode
• 1:15:01
  has to be a big Blockbuster, you know, would you know what's even
• 1:15:04
  worse was after 11:00 here, and there was a bit of a muted
• 1:15:07
  reaction to it. So then we've 12, that's all of,
• 1:15:10
  you know, cancellation anxiety here.
• 1:15:13
  Yeah. God, you know the ratings are
• 1:15:14
  down, blah, blah blah. So then it was more important
• 1:15:17
  than ever that every episode had to be the best thing ever.
• 1:15:21
  And that's just not how it works.
• 1:15:23
  No no it doesn't have to be like that like you say later and you
• 1:15:27
  see the layers and things that they're putting into it the
• 1:15:30
  thought and the smarts and the visuals and the performance.
• 1:15:34
  It's yeah. It's a is a goodie yeah.
• 1:15:37
  Yeah absolutely. I'm really looking forward to to
• 1:15:40
  doing it as well or listen Jim you're absolutely Charming Man
• 1:15:44
  as the wonderful evening talking with you now I've enjoyed it.
• 1:15:47
  Thank you very much for inviting me on Joe let's just say until
• 1:15:51
  next time until next I'm bi.