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4 - A "LONG" Premature Ejaculation Into The Final Build For Elimination Chamber · Singlets & Suplexes: A Pro Wrestling Podcast

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  Hello, Welcome to Singlets and Suplexes, a pro wrestling
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  podcast where we talked about the past week in wrestling
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  before diving into sports entertainment nostalgia.
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  I am Pete. And I'm Luke.
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  Evening. Evening, Luke.
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  How are you doing? Yeah, I'm good.
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  Yeah, obviously we're a bit earlier than normal this week.
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  I'll record this on a Monday, normally on a Wednesday.
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  I'm a someone who likes his routine and has thrown us, but
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  I'm ready to go. Yes, this is very much a
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  premature ejaculation from us due to unforeseen circumstances.
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  Basically we usually record on Wednesday because it means we
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  get sort of smack down whatever has happened over the weekend.
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  If it was a pay-per-view, would get Monday night roaring and
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  then we would probably get a. Little bit an exterior.
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  Role and possibly some AW, but we are recording this on Monday
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  evening. So it's basically a smack down
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  stuff that happened last week as well.
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  AW maybe anything that's happened over the weekend, but
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  we promise a bumper episode the week after because we'll have
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  everything we've missed. And then also the Elimination
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  Chamber I talk about on next week's episode.
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  Luke, shall we dive into some housekeeping?
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  Yeah, go for it. Let's get nice and clean.
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  So indeed we get nice and clean. It's very important, especially
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  with all the bugs going around the UK at the minute.
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  I've heard measles coming back. Have you heard that, Luke?
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  I've heard that, and especially with that premature ejaculation
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  as well. Let's get clean before we dive
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  into what we need to do. Definitely clean.
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  I mean, we're not sponsored by anyone, but if Blue Tree want to
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  come and sponsor the show, we can probably peddle that as a
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  cure to premature ejaculation. But we're not that big yet.
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  We are and I quite like tidy in the house was a flora that all
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  anyone like that if they want to get in touch, it'll be a big
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  saving for me. So yeah, we are very clean here
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  and anyone that wants to sponsor that cleanliness, please don't
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  hesitate to get in touch. What's your thoughts on Dude
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  Wipes being an official sponsor of WWE?
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  The official man Wipe of WWE? Have you heard about that?
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  I don't really know what they are and I've just kind of seen
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  it as like a thing AW fans have used a kind of mock WWE fans,
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  but what other? So I believe Dude Wipes is an
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  American brand and it's essentially just a white used to
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  clean things up with, you know, whether it's your face, whether
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  it's the workbench you're working on, whatever it is and,
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  you know, marketed at men. So does that have links to
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  premature attraction? I don't know.
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  But essentially they are the official wipe of WWE and I
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  believe Dominic Mysterio was the the face of this partnership.
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  Well, that sounds like it's quite good synergy that because
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  you know, I mean he looks you know he's dirty dumb, so you'll
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  get yourself clean with some dude wipes.
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  Is that the adverse or I just written that advert for them?
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  I didn't. I did away.
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  It was the face of Dude Wipes. Dirty Dom getting cleaned up
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  with dirt pipes. We've got to keep the mats
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  clean, calm. We're getting staph infections
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  either. So for for me, I don't know why
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  people have been mocked, honest. Like I say, I was unaware of
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  what it was, but for me it seems like a great product.
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  Staph infection. That's that's so 2011 that Luke.
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  Is it? It isn't.
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  Didn't write back. Used to get them all the time.
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  You should ask him because he blocked me on Instagram so I
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  can't ask him but you could ask him.
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  Did you get in touch with the show?
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  I didn't see anything nasty to him, I just commented on the
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  videos tagging my friend and saying just a normal dude when
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  he was barking when he was barking out a woman.
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  It wasn't even that offensive. It did.
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  It took us a little while to realize that he blocked us but I
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  do miss it because he is unhinged.
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  I. Wonder what he's doing?
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  I don't follow him anything. I don't think.
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  So who knows what Rybak is doing?
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  Let's dive in. Obviously we left the pool on
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  our Spotify or what? Episode 3 and the poll was
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  what's in the big crate or the box as we see in the UK, I
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  suppose we left four options for people to vote.
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  We had Y2J, we had gobbledygooga.
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  When I put gobbledygooga, what I meant was like not the actual
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  gobbledygooga, although it could be, but something to that
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  extent. We also put 2K game promo, as we
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  obviously discussed last week. It could be that and I just put
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  generally A debuting superstar and nobody voted Y2J, nobody
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  voted 2K game promo, 33% of people voted Gobbledygooka on
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  that type of thing and 66% people voted a debuting
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  superstar. What's your thoughts on those
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  votes, Luke? Well, yeah, I think a lot of
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  steam seems to have picked up over the weekend, isn't it that
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  it might be Dan Housing, where if it's going to be a debut in
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  Superstar, I think he might be the only person that could
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  survive that type of thing. It kind of works, you know, he
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  could have frozen himself with a curse or something like that.
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  So if it is a superstar, I do hope it's Dan Hausen.
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  And because I am such a big fan of him, I am going to now be
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  disappointed if it is anything but a Dan Hausen debut.
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  What about you? I'm a big fan of Dan housing.
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  I sort of fell in love with Dan housing over the pandemic
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  period. A lot of sort of really cool
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  video content he was making. Then he was obviously signed aw,
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  which was pretty cool and then since sort of not done much
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  there, I suppose you could say obviously I've shared this week
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  on our Instagram at at SAS wrestling pod caught with my Dan
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  housing figures and yes, that would be really cool if he if it
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  was Dan housing. I do feel though, that if it is
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  a debuting superstar, like would WWE be putting this emphasis on
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  somebody like Dan Hausen and I mean that with the utmost
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  respect, or like, would dials go to NXT is what I'm saying?
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  Do you know what I mean? I don't know, because it's it
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  doesn't have to be like game changing, does it?
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  You know? So I think the mice because it's
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  just been comedy skits backstage and if it you know, I don't
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  think it's going to be wheeled out of the ring necessarily, but
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  if the opener backstage and he comes out, it could be a fun new
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  kind of thing for those type of segments.
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  So it's not been overly pushed, Yeah, I think it's only been one
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  segment on Raw, 1 segment on Smackdown.
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  Obviously we've got two more shows before Elimination
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  Chamber. So yeah, I mean, it's not
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  getting pushed as the main event, is it?
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  So I don't think that necessarily means it's not going
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  to be him then. Indeed, it could be.
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  We will find out in just one more week.
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  Basically after the weekend we will know what is in the create.
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  Yeah, and I think someone like him probably doesn't need an XP.
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  Do you know what I mean? It's a character act like a very
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  good character actor in my opinion.
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  But it's not. I think it it either gets over
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  or it doesn't does this. So you might as well just put
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  that straight on the main roster and see how it goes in front of
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  a new audience because he is kind of very, very popular
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  online. But I think it would be a lot of
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  new eyes, especially kids seeing them and see how they react.
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  I mean, look how well in the last year like the Mr. Iguana
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  has done and things like that. So it could be a nice little
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  money spinner for them if they play it right.
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  And it is Dan Housing, obviously.
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  It could indeed. It could indeed be.
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  OK. That was the pool going to go to
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  some comments. We've received some comments on
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  Spotify, so obviously every episode now a post on Spotify,
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  we have the option to people leave comments.
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  Well, thank you for doing that. If you leave a comment in there
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  and it's not sort of abusing us, you know, if it's something
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  constructive and we can talk about it, we will bring it up on
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  the show in this segment. And obviously we'll also talk
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  about the poll results. Those listening on Apple
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  Podcasts obviously doesn't have this feature, but you follow us
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  on Instagram. As I said at SAS Wrestling Pod,
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  it's not sheer uncertain. It is singlets and suplexes.
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  But yes, at SES Wrestling Pod, I usually post in there before we
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  do the episode if anyone's got any questions or you can go in
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  there and get in touch with us there as well.
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  That'll be part of the show. But these are all from Spotify.
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  So Lou got in touch and said loving the episodes and the
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  housekeeping sentiment. Thanks Lou.
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  I want to know, do you have a favorite wrestling moment
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  experienced in person at an event?
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  Oh, that's a good one. Did anything jump in mind for
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  you straight away? So I've got one that involves
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  the Bon Eriks, but I'm going to hand it over you if you've got
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  one. I know you've been a Wrestle
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  Mania. So you've been a Wrestle Mania
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  as in person, Luke, I have not. Yeah, so the big one, it might
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  be cliche, but I was at Wrestle Mania Orlando when the Hardy
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  Boys came out and there'd be a bit of rumor about because I've
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  put the Wrestle the Young books the night before and I just
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  didn't think it will be the case.
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  And after, at the time, I think it was about 8-8 be as deep as
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  well. The night it just turned a night
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  as well. And the new day came out and
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  like when they started to say, oh, we've got an extra team.
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  That was when it kind of hit. And that kind of was this like
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  tent a great tension in the crowd, like, oh fucking hell,
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  this is that might actually be the Hardy Boys.
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  And then the music hits the classic Hardy Boys.
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  The both look great because as you know, you know,
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  unfortunately from time to time they've both had the hardships,
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  but it was like proper fucking great looking Hardy boys coming
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  out at WrestleMania. Massive surprise in a ladder
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  match like it was for that that that's up.
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  There's a really fucking brilliant live moment to say
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  that I was there for. Indeed, I think one of mine was.
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  So obviously I'm a big fan of the Vonorex, just it's as part
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  of wrestling history that I've sort of indulged upon
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  researching just because it's fun.
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  I suppose I'm well, I'm tragic for the one Eric, sadly,
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  obviously the build up to the Iron Claw, the movie coming out
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  about the one Erics live. Obviously me and my wife, she
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  was, you know, she loves movies. We went to the cinema, we
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  watched it. I tore down the build up.
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  You know, it's a tragedy that cursed and just sort of didn't
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  quite believe us. And then she sort of sobbed from
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  sort of minute 30 till the end of the movie, just sobbed all
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  the tragedy. And then we were at WWE, not WE
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  at AAW at Wembley Stadium. And we did see sort of the the
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  two youngest Von Erik's in action.
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  And then Kevin Wyrick come out and he did put the Iron Claw on
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  some people in the ring. And that was just really cool
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  moment of like synergy. Obviously me, me and the wife
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  had spoke about the Von Erik's, you know, gone through that
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  story in the cinema and she reacted to it in a certain way.
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  And then we got to see sort of the surviving Von Erich, Kevin
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  sticking on the Iron Claw to sort of save the the younger
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  generation of his family, which was really, really cool and
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  magical. And, you know, to us sitting
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  there watching it, who'd, you know, been through that one Eric
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  story and I introduced it to her.
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  That was really, really cool. Yeah, I think that's what I
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  thought about, isn't it? It is often it is returns and
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  surprise appearances like that that can kind of make it like, I
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  think as well kind of the first ever live show I went to because
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  it was in Newcastle at the arena.
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  But it was back when WWE used to do those kind of, I guess fake
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  UK pay per views where they were billed as pay per views.
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  They were on Sky box office. But kind of the one Canon
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  either, like nothing ever really happened on them.
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  But I got to see Insurrection as my first live event.
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  And you had a kind of Chris Jericho segment with Austin in
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  the ring on the highlight reel. That's what it's called.
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  And then you had a main event of Triple H, Kevin Nash.
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  And that was probably like what, 11-12 at the time.
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  And that was like, really, really like the first time I
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  ever got to see a live show and those fireworks.
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  And there was Austin and there's Triple H.
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  And like, I still remember that. I bought the actual Insurrection
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  T-shirt off vintage quite recently.
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  It was £50 as well, to be fair. But that's how much of a good
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  memory that was for me. I was like, ask fucking class.
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  That's like AT shirt from the first ever live wrestling event
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  I went to. That's pretty awesome.
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  Are you going to wear it or is it just that of be?
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  No, I'll wear it. Yeah, I've had it on a few
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  times. It'll not be used a lot because
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  it is old but now have wore it. Awesome.
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  Moving on from that, we have Jo 5 Newton, he said.
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  Keep up the great work, Luke and Pete loving the did they really
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  see that segment? Are there any recent promos
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  which you think could feature on this segment in 20 years time?
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  Recent promos. Oh, interesting.
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  What I think of when I not so much promo, I suppose the all
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  promos. But do you remember when the
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  I've probably forgotten the names here Platinum Max Costa
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  and Anthony Bourne. What were they called again?
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  The Acclaimed when the Acclaimed used to do their rap battle
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  their rap promos coming out of the ring.
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  He would see us from really like tongue in cheek stuff that was
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  really fun clever on the line sometimes slightly over the line
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  where you'd have to apologize. Maybe some of that maybe might
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  not date so well. Like there's some references to
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  Vince McMahon and sort of being a sex pest.
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  Obviously, if Vince does actually get found guilty and
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  goes down and. Which isn't looking like it's
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  going to be the case, but we'll see.
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  Yeah, we will see. But you know, I think things
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  like that way, it's like, Oh well, you're making fun of
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  something that like was definitely a crime.
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  I suppose maybe to some people who might say that way.
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  I'm not saying I would. Yeah, it's an interesting
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  question because like, you know, this shows new, it's evolving.
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  So it's it's it's an interesting feature because the quote we've
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  got this week's actually a recent quote.
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  So yeah. But I guess it's about it's
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  something gets said that dates badly.
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  But yeah, I think they're they're promos could be
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  interesting. I suppose anything that gets
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  said back and forth between AW and WE wrestlers when they chip
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  off on Twitter against each other, which doesn't always
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  happen. But I know go by my mate
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  Ricochet. I know him and Javon Evans had
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  one a little while back where Javon Evans essentially ended
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  the argument by saying you wrestle in front of 200 people
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  now for a crackhead. You know, if it comes out he has
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  a crackhead, has he told the future?
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  Like something like that could appear down the line depending
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  on the fate of AW it. Could indeed.
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  One thing that might also appear in this segment is not wrestling
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  related, but it's BAFTA related. And if those Tourette's people
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  keep going after the the black people, then who knows what will
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  happen. Yeah, I mean that that's the
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  type of thing where I can't believe there's never been a
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  Tourette gimmick with Vince McMahon because Or did Matt
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  Morgan have a Tourette gimmick? I can't.
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  Maybe that rings a bell, but I couldn't reference exactly what.
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  Definitely has something I think you might have, you know, there
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  we'll go. That's what I say has done it.
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  But yeah, that's that seems like a prior old school Vince gimmick
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  that doesn't it, given someone with Tourette's, especially if
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  they're saying inappropriate things.
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  So yeah, who does? Indeed we had Rob he said.
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  Love the pod guys. Just want to say that there is
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  absolutely room for for guy's chance.
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  The statement isn't devalued. It's massively important that
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  the people use their voice to fight fascism.
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  Also, Brody was off TV as he was flying to Austria to begin
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  promotion. Meltzer was off the meds again.
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  Fun question for you both. Favorite albums by wrestlers?
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  Yeah, I'm glad someone got in touch about the ice comments.
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  That's what I wanted. I mean, that's that's I think he
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  kind of hit the nail on the head really.
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  Where, yeah, it probably does have a place.
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  I think it was more just the mess it got into, mainly because
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  the melter saying he was kept off TV, but as as he said, there
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  he was off his meds again. Melter Has he ever been on them?
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  But yeah, I think that was the problem that I think people
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  chanting for ice is the right statement but it's just all the
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  mess that came around it where then kind of I thought devalued
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  that political statement. But I'm glad someone got in
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  touch with that. But the other what was the what
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  was the question though? I.
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  Think but I'm not seeing the value.
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  Just to pay devil's advocate and I don't agree what ice I do in
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  America. I'm also not an American
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  citizen, but and maybe you should be trying to fuck ice at
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  ice if that's for that to do, for that message to be a good
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  message. I doubt there's any ice in the
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  building. There's no wrestlers who or ice
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  friend Like do you know what I mean?
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  I just think. Yeah.
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  And then you hadn't. Well, that was my point, because
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  then you had the Australian crowd chatting it as well.
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  And again, tell us if I'm wrong, I don't think there's any ICE
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  agents in Australia at the moment either.
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  So. But again, the political
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  statements, right, That program gets watched around the world,
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  so they don't necessarily have to be there.
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  But yeah, I just think it got messier than it needed to be,
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  mainly because of misreporting by people like Malta.
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  I think that was the initial negative that I drew from it,
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  that I took away the the power of it.
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  Indeed, that appeared there was like to myself, I suppose, law,
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  it's not relevant to what's going on.
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  And there's noise there, you know, the fact that people
• 15:29
  watching the broadcast will hear it, you know, it keeps it in
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  people's minds. You know, that we need to pause
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  this type of activity. That's a good thing.
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  So there we go. I'm even proving myself wrong,
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  just like do you know who else proved himself wrong?
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  2. Stephen Hawking.
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  There we go. I'm as good as him.
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  Believe it. Or not.
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  Yeah, hopefully a little bit. Yeah, hopefully a bit better
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  mortality as well. Hopefully I sound a bit better
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  on this podcast as well and. Hopefully you haven't been to an
• 15:56
  island like he allegedly has or hasn't.
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  I have not been to an island. If I had been, it would be like
• 16:05
  Tracy Island Noel the Thunderbirds live.
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  I do, yeah. I do it well, yeah.
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  After the island I will go to, I want to I want to ride
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  spaceships coming out of the pool as Busted song.
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  Or a desert island where you take your discs with you.
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  Yes, indeed, on the island, but definitely not a naughty Epstein
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  island. None of that.
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  Are you surprised someone asked me that?
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  Are you surprised Vince hasn't been the island because of he's
• 16:29
  not any of the things. I mean, Vince didn't need
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  somebody to like get these things for him.
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  It sounds like he was already doing it just in his office.
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  Yeah, it's like the power thing, isn't it?
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  It's like people said, I can't believe that he's not on the
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  island to say he didn't need 1. He had his own setup.
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  Like, I think that's the things that these people like, Like
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  they're alone to themselves, unfortunately.
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  Yeah, like the people who went to Epstein, I feel when they're
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  like, because they couldn't facilitate these things
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  themselves, so that they go to him to sort it out for them,
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  where people like Daddy and Vince were just already powerful
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  doing these things on their own watch.
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  Did you see the body Cam footage of Vince crashing his car?
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  Why is that a thing though? I don't want to somebody to
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  think because he didn't commit a crime, right?
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  But. Yeah, he was doing 110 mile an
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  hour. Yeah.
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  I mean, that is, that is a crime.
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  You know, I think cynically because in the video of it, he's
• 17:20
  like a damn old fool. Like I haven't drove the car for
• 17:22
  a while. Like I don't know if it's like.
• 17:25
  So they've got body Cam footage of him where he looks a bit old
• 17:27
  and senile in case they need it in the court of law.
• 17:29
  If he does get charged without like they can go, well, yeah,
• 17:33
  you might have found him guilty, but he's really old and he's he
• 17:35
  doesn't know he's doing anymore. So I don't know if it's maybe
• 17:38
  he's a cynical ploy from Vince's side to try and get like images
• 17:42
  of our images out there of a mayor not looking in the best of
• 17:46
  health mentally. It could be watch this space on
• 17:50
  that one the next that we had or Rob also said, oh Dan, housing
• 17:59
  in the box housing. So Rob thinks Don Hausen's in
• 18:02
  the box housing. Yes, and didn't he ask about
• 18:05
  albums? What was the album question?
• 18:07
  Oh yes. So what he said was he obviously
• 18:09
  Rob. I'm familiar with Rob.
• 18:11
  I know he loves his music and he was sort of saying fun question
• 18:15
  for your both favorite albums by wrestlers.
• 18:18
  I was going to start with saying I probably only own one album by
• 18:20
  a wrestler and that was probably You Can't See Me by John Cena.
• 18:23
  So this was obviously in 2005. So when he did his new song, his
• 18:28
  new entrance song, which is what he's used for the Rescue
• 18:30
  creations that was on there, but it was like a full a full album
• 18:34
  as well. I think it was like 17 tracks
• 18:37
  actually. So quite, quite a big album.
• 18:39
  I remember owning that on CD and listening to it.
• 18:41
  I couldn't tell you any of this stuff on there now, but was John
• 18:43
  Cena and that trademark, if you remember that, Luke.
• 18:46
  No, no, I do after that was a fantastic album because like at
• 18:49
  that tight point in time way come out, I was very much into
• 18:52
  dressing like John Cena and like really thought I was really into
• 18:56
  the rap culture. I mean, I was 1415.
• 18:58
  But no, that album's actually fantastic.
• 18:59
  I remember our good friend Matt Viney burnt is a copy of it
• 19:03
  because I think we might have rented it from the library.
• 19:06
  You know, this is dating it. I think we rented John Cena's
• 19:08
  album from the library and burnt copies of it kind of old school
• 19:12
  illegal downloading. And no, it is.
• 19:14
  It's a great album if like critically, probably I didn't do
• 19:18
  that well, but I think it's old enough number numbers to kind of
• 19:21
  justify. It's out there when you see you
• 19:22
  can't remember any songs on it. Bad, bad man and just another
• 19:25
  day in the life I still listen to.
• 19:28
  I remember bad man, I remember that.
• 19:29
  Yeah, well they had the ATM video as well, which was like,
• 19:33
  again, just weird but singing up because that like Samara come
• 19:36
  out. I was watching the ATM every
• 19:38
  morning on UK Gold so it was like I got into the A-Team but I
• 19:42
  was like 40 in in like 2004. And then John Cena I did a video
• 19:46
  with the like A-Team theme so it all linked up for me.
• 19:49
  So it give it a little bit of extra for us.
• 19:50
  But no, I would recommend anyone go listen to Just Another Day in
• 19:53
  Their Life. Really a little laid back
• 19:55
  number. It's a good album.
• 19:56
  Indeed, it was released by Columbia Records and WWE, so big
• 19:59
  record company behind it. It's spawned 3 singles off of
• 20:02
  it. So the time is now obviously,
• 20:03
  which is obviously is everyone song bad man as we discussed and
• 20:06
  right now it got 2 1/2 stars out of five on all music which.
• 20:11
  If five's the greatest album of all time, it's in the middle, so
• 20:14
  not too bad. Concerned It's a wrestler,
• 20:15
  right? Yeah.
• 20:16
  Rock reviews give it 7 1/2 out of 10 so.
• 20:19
  Nah, that's that's really big that because you think there
• 20:21
  might be some kind of pushback of like, who the fuck does he
• 20:23
  think he is releasing this? But honestly, I say I think it's
• 20:26
  a strong album. I say there are a couple of
• 20:28
  songs where like on playlists and stuff I've got where like it
• 20:31
  will, you know, I'll probably listen to a couple of songs off
• 20:33
  it a few times a year. So it's lasted the the test of
• 20:36
  time with me so far. And it was cover mocking because
• 20:39
  the album cover was like the front plate from the new spinner
• 20:42
  belt, if I remember, which was really awesome.
• 20:44
  Really awesome. Done.
• 20:46
  It was, yes. Very good synergy.
• 20:48
  When I think of music in wrestling this comes to my mind
• 20:50
  straight away. It's not an album, but it is a
• 20:52
  single and it is It doesn't matter by Wycliffe Jean
• 20:56
  featuring The Rock. Do you remember this from the
• 20:58
  year 2000 Nuke? I've got 50 Bentleys in the West
• 21:01
  Indies. It doesn't matter.
• 21:02
  I do remember it very well. I remember the video I had it on
• 21:05
  single. I probably bought it from
• 21:07
  Woolworths and yeah, it was massive.
• 21:09
  Like I feel it did that. I feel that might have got a
• 21:11
  number one over here. If not, I think it was
• 21:13
  definitely like top ten, top five.
• 21:15
  Like Wyclef was massive. He was massive at the time.
• 21:18
  The Fugees were huge and Wyclef had like a successful solo
• 21:21
  career and it was, it probably did just as much for him as it
• 21:25
  did the Rock because The Rock was massive at the time.
• 21:26
  It was a good crossover. So in the UK Singles Chart he
• 21:30
  got #3. There you go.
• 21:31
  See, I knew I had done well. In the UK, hip hop and R&B chart
• 21:36
  #1. There, we'll go see number one
• 21:39
  single The Rock. For those listening across the
• 21:42
  world, in the US, they got to the I think he got 80 in the US,
• 21:48
  hot RB hip hop songs, got a 25 in the US, hot rap songs, Mocha
• 21:52
  Charlie's Billboard. Things work, but that's that's
• 21:55
  the stats. I remember buying this one
• 21:56
  because I had this one cassette that I bought from Asda Walmart
• 21:59
  in Bolden. There you go.
• 22:00
  That really did. Is that still rotten cassettes
• 22:03
  then? Still rotten cassettes myth.
• 22:05
  I know I didn't remember it was even on like and now now that's
• 22:09
  what I call music over here as well.
• 22:10
  I remember actually used to have me little boom box when I was a
• 22:12
  great it's a great song. It's another song where like,
• 22:15
  I'll probably still, it'll probably still come on a couple
• 22:17
  of times a year on my rotations. And then just a conf I saw in
• 22:20
  the year end charts. So for the year 2000 in Ireland
• 22:24
  it was the 97th highest sport single and in the UK it was
• 22:30
  120th highest soul album that year for the whole year, which
• 22:33
  is pretty cool. Concerning the Take the Rocks
• 22:35
  in, it doesn't matter, right? No, no, 100%.
• 22:37
  But I say, I think it kind of Wyclef what had that moment, He
• 22:41
  was massive. He had like as I think it was
• 22:42
  911 and that perfect gentleman as well, the kind of test speed
• 22:47
  dollars there. But yeah, Wyclef had his moment
• 22:48
  as well. And something else I spoke to,
• 22:51
  my mind was, and I've never listened this album or owned it,
• 22:54
  and it was more like a myth that I heard about.
• 22:56
  And it is Be a Man, which is the Randy Savage album.
• 22:59
  Have you heard of this, Luke? I have, yeah.
• 23:01
  And I've, I've heard a few songs off it and it's kind of what I
• 23:04
  like about it is if you go Randy Savage did a rap album, what do
• 23:07
  you think it sounds like? That's what it sounds like.
• 23:10
  It's kind of exactly what you'd expected to be.
• 23:14
  And I think because of that it kind of works.
• 23:16
  But I mean, it's awful. But I would recommend anyone who
• 23:18
  hasn't listened to it, like give a couple of songs a spin like it
• 23:21
  is. It's worth a listen.
• 23:24
  What I love about was that like it wasn't done by WE wasn't done
• 23:28
  by WCW like essentially like a regular company come to them and
• 23:32
  they did this like without any like there was no there was no
• 23:36
  wrestling executive like pushing this like for a collaboration
• 23:39
  like which is really cool. But yes, be a man.
• 23:41
  It's the only studio album by American wrestler Macho Man
• 23:44
  Ronny Savage. It was released on October 7th,
• 23:46
  2003 by Big Three Records. It has a song called Perfect
• 23:49
  Friend, which was written as a tribute to Mr. Perfect Curt
• 23:52
  Henning. That's very nice and also has a
• 23:55
  title. The title track is a diss track
• 23:57
  in the whole Corgan. I knew that the diss track did.
• 24:00
  Do you know that a record label came to him?
• 24:03
  Because it reeks of David Brent in the office releasing.
• 24:06
  If you don't know me by now, I'll be honest and I'm a big
• 24:08
  Macho Man fan, but I just feel that like this feels like a
• 24:11
  passion project or the like the did a record label approach him
• 24:15
  just with you saying that? So like, here's what I've found.
• 24:17
  So Randy was offered the opportunity to record be a man,
• 24:21
  Bill Edwards. So Bill Edwards was the chairman
• 24:24
  of Florida based Big Three Records.
• 24:28
  The album's in house production team at the Rascals wrote and
• 24:31
  produced the album. Savage is credited as Co
• 24:34
  composer of Be a Man and his brother.
• 24:37
  You know as you never get a match of man thing without his
• 24:39
  brother involved. Lonnie Poffo.
• 24:40
  The genius. He the genius.
• 24:42
  He wrote the lyrics to Perfect Friend.
• 24:45
  He's had a good career off the bat of Match of Man, the genius.
• 24:48
  I don't not like him. Yeah, so in the 2003 interview,
• 24:51
  Savage said that is feudal Hulk Hogan the subject.
• 24:54
  The title track was genuine, so it's not a word, bro.
• 24:56
  That's genuine, and that is entry into music was earnest.
• 24:59
  I'm just trying to have fun, but I can't trust enough that this
• 25:02
  isn't a novelty act. I'm in this for the long haul,
• 25:05
  Savage said. That's quite sad and I read that
• 25:07
  because obviously. What's the long haul half time
• 25:12
  Super Bowl show? I don't know.
• 25:13
  Where, where? Where was the end game for this?
• 25:16
  If you kept on living, maybe those are maybe he got a lot of
• 25:20
  second album hump and did a good job.
• 25:24
  But in 2003 the album was released as a vinyl LP for the
• 25:28
  first time or for records for the exclusive.
• 25:30
  So I didn't see where that was, but.
• 25:32
  I bet it's worth money. Yeah, definitely, if you pick
• 25:34
  that up. So that's pretty cool.
• 25:36
  But again. He produced a For All, you know,
• 25:38
  it's, I believe it's 14 tracks and it's like 45 minutes long.
• 25:41
  So, you know, he produced a full album, like whether it was good
• 25:45
  or not, you know, I think that's Take your Half to that.
• 25:48
  Oh, I think anything like that, like there's sometimes, like I
• 25:50
  say, if you want to use a David Brent, which I wasn't a real
• 25:52
  person as an example, there's kind of like there's always a
• 25:55
  bit of cringe to stuff like that.
• 25:56
  But then like Bachelor Man didn't need to make an album,
• 25:59
  did he? So I think you've always got a
• 26:01
  kind of respect. Like there was definitely some
• 26:02
  passion there. And fearfully if we're doing it
• 26:04
  because you know, he's released one more album than I probably
• 26:06
  ever will. So firstly.
• 26:08
  Indeed. Moving on, we've got one more
• 26:11
  comment to talk about and this is from Wells Bryson.
• 26:14
  You put the comments towards Kane.
• 26:16
  So he's talking about when we talked about the rock calling
• 26:19
  Kane a big red retard and a lot of a lot of a lot of that word
• 26:23
  being used and sort of in prawns against Kane at the time, as we
• 26:27
  talked about last week on the show, where you put the comments
• 26:28
  towards Kane of its time and are a marker in time, society and
• 26:33
  the cultural zeitgeist. Yeah, attitude, Iraq especially
• 26:36
  was a representation of all pop culture.
• 26:39
  The representation of women was terrible and overly sexualized.
• 26:42
  The deal I tag like the day is now outdated for equality and
• 26:45
  diversity. The women's division has
• 26:47
  flourished because of it. So, yeah, I think he's sort of
• 26:49
  saying that you've got, I think Kane's now a mayor, right?
• 26:53
  He is, yeah. Knox County.
• 26:56
  Yeah, Knox. That sounds right.
• 26:57
  Yeah. So, you know, these things, you
• 26:59
  know, at the time, you know, like these hasn't held these
• 27:04
  people back, right, You know, I think.
• 27:05
  I mean, like technically he was the victim and not though,
• 27:07
  wasn't he? But no, I mean, the rock was the
• 27:09
  one that said it, and it's definitely not held him back.
• 27:11
  I really like that term Wells used of a marker in time.
• 27:15
  That's the right way, which is what we're kind of touched on.
• 27:17
  But yeah, that's like that's kind of if you want to put a
• 27:19
  full stop in that conversation. Yeah, it was a marker in time.
• 27:23
  Indeed. Any other thoughts on any of
• 27:27
  those comments on the pool results, Luke, before we move on
• 27:29
  to our first official segment? Only other thing I would say is
• 27:32
  that kind of going back to the albums, because I think it was a
• 27:34
  great question, is that it's not.
• 27:35
  I don't know if you ever released it as an album, but if
• 27:37
  no one has ever heard William Shatner singing wrestlers and
• 27:41
  and wrestlers entrance music, that's worth a listen as well.
• 27:44
  Ray Mysterio's is a real highlight as well.
• 27:47
  Just Shatner going Boo yakka, Boo yakka.
• 27:50
  It's excellent. And he does triple HS as well
• 27:52
  with definitely went seeking that out.
• 27:54
  Yeah. Where can you find that?
• 27:56
  They're on YouTube again, like I don't drink now, but there used
• 27:59
  to be 1 of me go to is when I was drunk watching YouTube
• 28:02
  William Shatner. That paints, you know, a fun
• 28:04
  picture of depressing image just sitting there drunk watching
• 28:06
  William Shatner sing restless entrances.
• 28:09
  I don't know right in what's your thoughts, depressing or
• 28:11
  positive, But yeah, I think they're definitely on YouTube.
• 28:15
  Check those out guys. We're going to our first
• 28:17
  official segment. It is the week in review.
• 28:20
  This is where we bring you our, you know, up to three favorite
• 28:23
  things that we liked or disliked from the week.
• 28:26
  Obviously it's a bit of a shorter week.
• 28:27
  As we said, we've had a, we've had a premature ejaculation.
• 28:30
  We're having to shoot our shot a bit early here.
• 28:32
  So you know, we're probably talking about Smack Down and
• 28:34
  maybe AW and possibly some TNA. But Luke, what are your three if
• 28:38
  you've got 3 positive things in wrestling?
• 28:41
  Yeah, I've kind of gone bit WE bit TNA bit AW.
• 28:44
  So starting with the WE one, I quite enjoy Keanu James winning
• 28:49
  the women's trouble threat because I thought she had a
• 28:51
  really good show in in the Rumble and it was a surprise.
• 28:54
  I know she was in there with like Charlotte Flair and stuff.
• 28:57
  And I think stuff like Money in the Bank, Elimination Chambers,
• 29:00
  it's always good to have somebody in there who's maybe
• 29:02
  he's not necessarily associated with the main main event scene.
• 29:07
  So it'll be interesting to see kind of where that goes from
• 29:10
  that for her in. She's obviously someone that
• 29:12
  they've got a lot of stock in because I know that she's
• 29:14
  obviously come back from injury in the put over Julia, but I
• 29:17
  believe before that they were going to start like a romance
• 29:20
  angle with her in Adam PS. So she's someone that they've
• 29:23
  clearly got plans for and there's a bit of stock there.
• 29:26
  So it was cool. That was a bit of a surprise win
• 29:28
  and I'm excited to see what our performance is like in the
• 29:31
  chamber because I say our Rumble performance was excellent.
• 29:33
  Actually, it was on the stand out.
• 29:35
  Yeah, I think for me, you know, when you've got the likes of
• 29:37
  Julia who they haven't qualified everything.
• 29:40
  No, but and you know, like NIA Jax hasn't qualified.
• 29:43
  But I think those are superstars who have like they've already
• 29:46
  got some skin in the game that prove themselves a bit.
• 29:48
  They've got some equity. I feel James hasn't like she's
• 29:55
  new and this is going to give her that equity by giving her
• 29:58
  these moments in the chamber. We're already doing it in the
• 30:00
  rumble. Give us some moments here, you
• 30:01
  know, give us some cloud, give us something to build on.
• 30:04
  And you have to really cool thing and build a new stars.
• 30:06
  It's very important to do that. Montis is going to win the whole
• 30:09
  thing, but you put her in there, she has a solid effort, looks
• 30:12
  entertaining, does some good wrestling, some moments in there
• 30:15
  and yeah, job done. Yeah.
• 30:17
  And it kind of obviously saying that you know there's potential
• 30:20
  going to be a storyline with her and Adam Pierce, another kind of
• 30:22
  positive that kind of link it in with this one is there.
• 30:25
  I think Adam Pierce and Nick Aldous have really, really good
• 30:29
  GM's because I think there was a good couple of years where it
• 30:31
  was a bit all over the shop where there was general managers
• 30:34
  yet she and Mark stuff like that and it was a bit all over the
• 30:36
  place. But I think Aldous and PS do the
• 30:38
  job really well. We're kind of they're in the
• 30:41
  background and it just takes everything over.
• 30:43
  But they've both got enough personality about themselves
• 30:45
  where it's like they're not anonymous.
• 30:47
  So I think kind of positive from this week because obviously
• 30:49
  they've both had the create to deal with.
• 30:50
  I think that is really, really strong in that position.
• 30:53
  And I think it's kind of being under the radar good bit.
• 30:56
  Who can buy WWE having them too there?
• 31:00
  Definitely. And I've really enjoyed how
• 31:01
  they're dealing with their issues on the show because I
• 31:05
  think when you look at it as like, take like Jacob this week
• 31:09
  on Smackdown, you know, getting very angry because obviously
• 31:11
  drew custom his his match the week before.
• 31:13
  He wants to get his hands on him.
• 31:15
  And you know, all of us has got to sort that out.
• 31:18
  And he's trying to sort of like man to man and talk him around.
• 31:21
  It's very cool to see that sort of that type of interaction.
• 31:23
  Same with PS, his biggest challenge at the minute, team
• 31:25
  with the vision trying to sort of keep them on side while also
• 31:28
  not not letting them cheat. And it's always been really cool
• 31:31
  to see that it almost has a very real legitimacy to it rather
• 31:34
  than like the heel general managers of the past, which
• 31:36
  worked in the past, don't get me wrong, like Paul Heyman as a
• 31:39
  heel smack on GM. You can see the same for
• 31:41
  Bischoff on Raw. You know, it worked at the time,
• 31:43
  but I think we're in a bit more of a different presentation now.
• 31:45
  What these two are doing is it's adding to the product without
• 31:49
  sort of being about them. And you know, there's no egos
• 31:54
  involved there. They're just doing a great job,
• 31:55
  if that makes sense. No, that's what I mean.
• 31:57
  Yes, it's nothing spectacular. Like you don't mean they're not
• 31:59
  stealing the show, but I think that's that can be quite a good
• 32:02
  quality. Sometimes it's like almost like
• 32:03
  if you go watch stand up site, the MCS job to kind of be good,
• 32:08
  but it's the axi that say, but if the it's still a really
• 32:11
  important role to kind of keep things moving along.
• 32:13
  And I think both of them do that and they've both got a little
• 32:16
  bit of a difference about them where it's not just kind of
• 32:18
  rinse and repeat. Yeah, they definitely make it
• 32:21
  more like a more legitimate program I think is what is what
• 32:23
  they're doing. Yeah.
• 32:25
  And I would, I would, I would love to see oldest get a match,
• 32:27
  some test, some point will be interesting to see how they
• 32:30
  could do that. But I still think we might get
• 32:32
  that at some point. He as clear as he can go, yes.
• 32:35
  He looks great still. So yeah, yeah, I don't think
• 32:38
  there's anything why he can't. I don't think there's any kind
• 32:41
  of injury stopping him from doing that.
• 32:43
  So because that could that you know, it's another Ave. at some
• 32:45
  point, isn't there? Could definitely be done and I'd
• 32:47
  be interested in it. Me too, what's your next thing?
• 32:52
  I really enjoyed MGF and Hangman Adam Page is face to face.
• 32:56
  So kind of the lead up to that is MGF kept his title against
• 32:58
  Brodie King and Hangman won the Namong contenders match against
• 33:03
  Andrade. Because I think I think one of
• 33:07
  the things that like when AW is at its best is that it's like
• 33:12
  when it runs as a true alternative WWE.
• 33:15
  And I think those two are kind of two of the pillars of that
• 33:17
  company where the kind of self-made stars within AW, and
• 33:22
  it's an exaggeration to see it, but it had a kind of Rock versus
• 33:27
  Austin vibe to it, where MGF's whole promo was that like, I
• 33:30
  hate everything about you. I hate that you're a cowboy.
• 33:33
  I hate that you wrestle. I hate that you're holier than
• 33:35
  now. And Hangman was like, well, I
• 33:37
  hate that you're arrogant, I hate your stick.
• 33:39
  I hate everything about you. And it's like, it's really basic
• 33:42
  storytelling, but it's like they just don't like each other
• 33:44
  because they're just complete polar opposites.
• 33:48
  And at the same time, they're probably 2 of the biggest kind
• 33:50
  of homegrown stars that they've got.
• 33:52
  So I think it's, it's good to see that like at the minute,
• 33:54
  that world title picture is kind of two homegrown guys.
• 33:57
  And I thought it was a really strong promo that kind of MGF
• 34:00
  did his kind of usual stick as well where he kind of reeled
• 34:03
  Hangman in to a point where Hangman backed himself into a
• 34:05
  corner where if he now loses, he can never challenge for the AW
• 34:08
  title again. So it's kind of built that
• 34:11
  jeopardy and I think it worked really well because I think his
• 34:13
  character overalls worked best when he's kind of been down and
• 34:17
  out and people doubt him. And now he's going into this
• 34:19
  match with kind of everything hanging on it because if he
• 34:22
  loses, it's done. Indeed.
• 34:26
  And I think, you know, for me, I think it's sometimes it doesn't
• 34:29
  need to be complicated, right? I think when you've got 2
• 34:32
  fantastic wrestlers, you know, in Hangman and in MGF, and when
• 34:37
  I say wrestlers I don't just mean in ring, I mean like the
• 34:39
  promo work, the sudden, the psychology.
• 34:42
  These two guys get it. Or some of the best in the world
• 34:44
  of what they do right. Yeah, 100% and sometimes they.
• 34:48
  Can't just keep it. They can't just keep it as
• 34:49
  simple as like, I don't like you and I don't agree with anything
• 34:53
  you stand for and then vice versa.
• 34:56
  And so does make it so believable, so real, and just
• 34:58
  get us so invested in it. And I think MGF sometimes can
• 35:01
  kind of, you know, go into edge load territory and it goes on
• 35:04
  too long. But like this one was really
• 35:06
  succinct and just hit everything that I needed to hit because it
• 35:09
  didn't need to be anything else. It was simple, simple
• 35:11
  storytelling. Sort of the the cynic in me, the
• 35:16
  guy who wants to make a joke, says does he end up losing then
• 35:19
  coming to WWE in the future just like Cody Rhodes did when he did
• 35:23
  the same thing with MGF. I can't see Hangman in WWE, not
• 35:27
  like is nothing more than a mid Carter.
• 35:30
  I think he's best where he is. So I think he loses.
• 35:35
  But then that's, you know, it's another storyline there and
• 35:37
  then, isn't it? It can be.
• 35:38
  See where it goes. Indeed, the match was sort of
• 35:43
  Cody versus Jarrett robbery. Even if he if he got beat, he
• 35:45
  wouldn't challenge for the world title ever again.
• 35:47
  And it was MGF who through the tower.
• 35:49
  And I believe that's what will cost him the match.
• 35:51
  It was MGF's heel turn right there and.
• 35:53
  Then it was yeah. Referencing yeah, third thing
• 35:56
  that you enjoyed. I finally managed to get like
• 36:00
  the TNA app up and running. So I watched TNA this week and
• 36:03
  the main event was Mustafa Ali versus Elias Elijah as he now is
• 36:09
  in TNA. And it was a guitar casket
• 36:13
  match. And I thought like it was just
• 36:15
  absolutely fun. It was like it was one of those
• 36:17
  matches where it was like it was a spot fest.
• 36:19
  It was overbooked, if you're going to be honest with it.
• 36:21
  But like there was some really hard hitting spots in it.
• 36:24
  Like, you know, we're getting tossed into stacks of chairs.
• 36:27
  He got hit head first with a guitar, absolutely sold it like
• 36:30
  a 450 splash through a table. And then Eliza got the win and
• 36:34
  like, he's massively over and he wasn't WWE as well.
• 36:37
  And it just never kind of really worked out for him.
• 36:40
  So it's cool to kind of see him getting another chance at it.
• 36:44
  Because when he got released, I wondered if like that that would
• 36:46
  be it. Like, is the character 22
• 36:48
  dimensional? But he's managed to kind of take
• 36:50
  it to another company and it it's going well.
• 36:52
  And I could see him as maybe he's the next person that's
• 36:55
  there, take the belt off of Santana at the moment.
• 36:58
  I thought it was just like, really, really good.
• 37:00
  And Ali could be someone that we talked about and cursed by the
• 37:03
  wrestling gods for kind of the unlook unlucky breaks he had in
• 37:06
  WWE. Because like, he's really,
• 37:08
  really good. And it's been a little while
• 37:10
  since I've seen him and he just looks better again.
• 37:13
  And he's another one who's now getting his chance to kind of be
• 37:15
  that main event star. And by all accounts, he's took
• 37:19
  that ball and run with it. No, indeed, I think he is there.
• 37:26
  You know, I think I've just seen Mustafa Ali in the Cruiserweire
• 37:29
  Classic. I believe you can call on the
• 37:30
  main roster. We know we've seen do a few
• 37:32
  different things. It's good to see Tierney out
• 37:34
  there giving these guys a chance.
• 37:35
  And obviously these guys are great workers, so they can build
• 37:38
  a bit momentum. Then who knows where they go
• 37:40
  next, I suppose. Anything that you disliked.
• 37:46
  Yeah, so the match itself enjoyed, but Swift Strickland
• 37:51
  versus Kenny Omega. So what I kind of disliked about
• 37:54
  that was that, like, they did a bump at the end where it looks
• 37:57
  like Kenny Omega is being written off TV again.
• 37:59
  I feel like he's only just being back, really.
• 38:02
  And I just don't know how much gas is left in the tank of Kenny
• 38:05
  Omega, as in like his body. And as far as what he can bring
• 38:11
  to AW, which I think's a bit of a shame because I think because
• 38:14
  of the injuries, it's been a bit stop start.
• 38:16
  He had that good run when he was with Don Callas and he was like
• 38:19
  TNA champion and AW champion. But yeah, it just seems like a
• 38:23
  bit of a shame where I think he's never ever going to get.
• 38:28
  And look, some people say it doesn't matter because he's got
• 38:30
  that amazing body of work anyways, but that he's never
• 38:33
  going to get that real mainstream kind of robe.
• 38:36
  I think especially because I can't see him going to WWE now,
• 38:42
  and part of that is because from what you see and what you read,
• 38:46
  I think his body's starting to break down.
• 38:48
  Like, what are your thoughts on Kenny Omega and what he's got
• 38:50
  left in the tank to give? I think it's hard to know
• 38:53
  because because. Wrestling, we don't know
• 38:55
  absolutely is like. Because because wrestling is
• 38:57
  such a work, obviously, like there is things out there that
• 39:02
  want you to believe that, like his body is breaking down and he
• 39:05
  can't compete on like a full time basis.
• 39:09
  But I believe he was written off telly because he couldn't go to
• 39:14
  wherever they go next. Like the those are the
• 39:17
  pay-per-view. Wasn't there.
• 39:18
  It's all right, all. Right.
• 39:19
  Why can't he go so? I don't know.
• 39:21
  I don't know if he's doing something else for for something
• 39:23
  else. I know he's got with with AW,
• 39:26
  he's got a lot of partnerships that he's part of and he's got
• 39:29
  his own as well. So I don't quite know what it
• 39:31
  is, but apparently like he can't be there because of scheduling.
• 39:34
  So if that's that's what they brought him off, that's why the
• 39:38
  match was early. Like that's why it was on
• 39:40
  television rather than the pay-per-view because that that
• 39:42
  will be a pay-per-view contender, right?
• 39:44
  Yeah, yeah, it was and I say the match was great.
• 39:46
  You know, again some hard hitting spots like the home with
• 39:49
  the chain and any by the looks of it they've turned swerve back
• 39:52
  heel from the back of it. So it did advance things, but it
• 39:55
  was more just the the negative come from my overall thing.
• 39:58
  And if I wonder how much longer we've got left of Kenny Omega
• 40:02
  fully, what that means and what it looks like.
• 40:05
  Yeah, so you could be hurt like we don't know, I suppose, but it
• 40:09
  could be a work as I'm going to say, because this is
• 40:11
  professional wrestling and whether we like it or not, most
• 40:14
  things are, you know, you know, we like the thing that we know
• 40:17
  everything. I think.
• 40:19
  So obviously not just the interviews, but you had that
• 40:22
  that big health scare as well or you had the surgeries and stuff
• 40:25
  that like it was like non wrestling related with his
• 40:27
  stomach and stuff. So like who who knows?
• 40:30
  But you know, if he's gone in there and put on like a can he
• 40:33
  or make a match, that tells me that he's not at risk, right?
• 40:36
  Otherwise the one who put him in there.
• 40:38
  I think it's interesting to see where AW goes to what he does,
• 40:43
  because I think the AWS evolved from sort of where it was with
• 40:46
  the elite. That makes sense when like they
• 40:48
  were the focal point of everything.
• 40:50
  Like now now they're not so much, although I'm going to
• 40:52
  bring up the young bucks in a second.
• 40:53
  But so I think is there a point in time where like before it's
• 40:59
  all said and done, does Tony Khan bring the elite back
• 41:01
  together for like one last hurrah for the company before
• 41:05
  like those guys go their separate ways?
• 41:06
  I don't know. I'd like to say that happening
• 41:07
  because I think that'd be really cool.
• 41:09
  And that's where I would see Kenny sort of be back at least
• 41:11
  like prime time best the game. You know, the AW styles very
• 41:15
  much. It's that sort of independent
• 41:19
  five star hard hitting, you know, big spots, big technical
• 41:26
  hits type of wrestling where if he was to come to WE sort of the
• 41:32
  end of his career, obviously that the style's a lot different
• 41:35
  where I think his body would go through a lot less anyway.
• 41:38
  So if his body was run down a bit, I think I could see WE
• 41:41
  being a good fit to be fair to sort of to to dial things down.
• 41:44
  And you know, Kenny can wrestle many different styles for what
• 41:48
  I've seen throughout his career. So I think you'll be able to
• 41:50
  adapt to the WE style like really easily and his mind for
• 41:53
  wrestling would be a big benefit.
• 41:55
  So I think wherever he ends up after he's finished his entering
• 41:59
  career, I think, you know, he could be a producer till the end
• 42:02
  of time, if that makes sense. I'd like to I'd like to seem to
• 42:05
  have one more run. Definitely AW like is a is a
• 42:07
  main player, and maybe that comes when we get to maybe the
• 42:13
  bringing together of the elite for like one last run maybe, and
• 42:18
  I don't mean they'll all be retired.
• 42:19
  I mean, like just one last run together as the Elite, like
• 42:21
  something happens without they all come back together, they do
• 42:24
  that run and then they disband again at the end and then it's
• 42:26
  like who was left does whatever and then they sort of fizzle
• 42:29
  out, if that makes sense. Yeah, this matches one of my
• 42:31
  favorite things about again, I think it's showed Kenny, Kenny
• 42:34
  at his best, which was great to see from my point.
• 42:36
  Looks like I said, he has been through the health scares in the
• 42:38
  past, so it was great to see him still going.
• 42:40
  Really deliver swerve again. Somebody who since he's come to
• 42:45
  AW has been like on form and fantastic and gave it his all.
• 42:50
  So it was great to see those guys, you know, getting some
• 42:52
  time to really air put in a shift would be showcase what
• 42:56
  they're all about. Like I said, if it does get
• 42:58
  swerved back sort of for being a bit of a heel, which I think
• 43:00
  would work for him right now, that that's a big benefit of
• 43:04
  pushing him forward in future storylines, which is really,
• 43:08
  really good. Yeah, because if, because if you
• 43:12
  have brought them off at least make it mean something.
• 43:14
  So yeah, you know, again, might have brought them off my
• 43:16
  presently PC from my view. Bit of a negative, but at least
• 43:20
  you progressed like someone else in the background are doing
• 43:22
  that. Yeah, and it means like, when
• 43:25
  can he come see Kenny comes back in a month.
• 43:26
  I'm not some who knows how to be like, you can put them back in
• 43:29
  there. So I was like, well, I'm going
• 43:31
  to get revenge like me and you again.
• 43:32
  That's cool. And you know, right itself is
• 43:34
  already like stuff things at stake, if that makes sense.
• 43:37
  And because, you know how good they can work together, you
• 43:39
  know, you're going to get another born burner, which was
• 43:41
  fantastic. Yeah.
• 43:44
  Something else I loved is, and I probably should have brought
• 43:46
  this up last week as well, is Chelsea Green in the
• 43:48
  presentation. So obviously, she's broke her
• 43:50
  ankle, as we all know. When that first happened, I
• 43:53
  remember discussing it with people at work being like, you
• 43:56
  know, will she just sort of be off telly?
• 43:57
  And I said, I doubt it because Chelsea is like, just such a
• 44:01
  star. Where, you know, it's it's all
• 44:05
  character work, It's all emotion that she puts out there.
• 44:08
  She can do that from a wheelchair and she can even make
• 44:11
  that wheelchair like part of it. And like she has guidance Went
• 44:15
  upon point where I said you could you could even have like a
• 44:17
  face on the wheels and things where it hasn't quite gone that
• 44:19
  crazy, but it's almost gone that crazy, right?
• 44:22
  You know where it's great to see Chelsea still on television,
• 44:26
  still driving her storyline forward.
• 44:28
  I think it's given. Is it Alba fire the.
• 44:31
  Yeah, Alba Fire. Yeah.
• 44:32
  Of the former Katie Reid from ICWS, where I remember from Alba
• 44:37
  Fire's getting, you know, some more ring time, which is good,
• 44:39
  good to see. And you know, can can do the
• 44:42
  physical aspects of the storylines while Chelsea's still
• 44:45
  there. I think.
• 44:45
  So Chelsea's still there building her equity, but it's
• 44:48
  given people like Alba Fire more equity.
• 44:49
  And I think the likes of Tiffany Stratton, they need a good foil
• 44:53
  to go against. And if Chelsea wasn't there,
• 44:54
  they'd lose one of those foils. So the fact that she's still
• 44:57
  there getting involved, she's given these people good foils to
• 45:00
  work against. That makes sense.
• 45:02
  And I think they're doing a really good job of it.
• 45:04
  And it means I feel like if they do it right, because I feel like
• 45:07
  a face turn is inevitable where people will massively get behind
• 45:10
  her. That can be the start of that
• 45:12
  one. She is cleared.
• 45:13
  So yeah, just keeps keeps her there.
• 45:16
  It certainly can be and I'm excited at that time when down
• 45:19
  the line when you finally now I think if this works, which it
• 45:21
  is, I can see them keeping the boot on longer.
• 45:23
  Like even when she's cleared, I can see the minute.
• 45:25
  Let's just keep arranged for a bit because it's working.
• 45:27
  And then you'll finally get them almost sure like either like
• 45:30
  kick somebody with with the broken foot and then it works
• 45:32
  fine, which will be probably a shock moment, which will be
• 45:35
  fantastic. Yeah, and if anyone can pull it
• 45:37
  off at? Yeah.
• 45:39
  So like these are the these are the main things that that I
• 45:42
  enjoyed. So that's two things.
• 45:47
  The third thing I sort of have enjoyed about That's also one of
• 45:50
  my dislikes, which might sound crazy in bipolar, but I'll talk
• 45:53
  to you for results. The crate situation in the limbo
• 45:55
  that creates in SO. You're obsessed with this crate.
• 45:58
  I am. I just, I just love, I love
• 46:00
  crates, especially when the I'm an Indiana Jones fan.
• 46:03
  So that scene in Air 51 with all of the crates where the art
• 46:06
  where the covenant goes? Yep, that's that's my, that's my
• 46:09
  Cutler fish. But no you.
• 46:10
  Like Dexter as well he was. He was born in blood in a crate,
• 46:13
  wasn't he? He was, yes.
• 46:14
  I was not Sally. Not Sally, I mean.
• 46:18
  Happily, I was not. Yeah, fro G for fro G and slip
• 46:22
  there. I'm not, I'm not a killer.
• 46:24
  Don't send anyone this way. To be fair, the police are too
• 46:29
  busy with their Mandelson and the former Prince on the SO.
• 46:33
  He has been done the day, hasn't he, Mandelson?
• 46:35
  So I'm in the clear. I'm in the clear, guys.
• 46:37
  I have. But yeah, the create situation,
• 46:40
  it's a bit in limbo. So I think the fact that it's
• 46:42
  getting passed from show to show by the general managers, it
• 46:50
  keeps it fresh and keeps it being talked about.
• 46:52
  So I like that idea. That's cool.
• 46:56
  But the create itself is like, again, it's like gobbledygooka
• 46:59
  territory. So like it is a bit of a force,
• 47:03
  but then the fact that they're passing it from shore to shore,
• 47:06
  not one have to deal with it is fun and fresh and keeps us
• 47:09
  talking about it. But it's also passing off as
• 47:12
  like they don't care about if that makes sense either.
• 47:14
  So like, if they don't care about it, why should we care
• 47:17
  about it? So I am proper Jekyll and Hyde
• 47:19
  on this create is what I'm saying.
• 47:22
  Yeah. And I think it's one of those
• 47:23
  ones where like, I don't think, I think whatever's in it,
• 47:26
  there's going to be backlash. It's, it's, it's very kind of,
• 47:29
  it's a polarizing thing to do, isn't it?
• 47:33
  It is it is because I mean, if it's a person again, like unless
• 47:37
  it's done how he's on someone like that, then like how would
• 47:39
  they have survived in the crate all this time?
• 47:41
  So like, what is it? And if it's just 2K game promo,
• 47:44
  which we talk about, then like, I mean, is there a better way to
• 47:48
  sort of give it television time? Do you?
• 47:51
  Need a promoter that much? That's pretty much helped
• 47:54
  themselves at this point. But then but then did the fun
• 47:56
  shit on it, like once that gets announced because they're hoping
• 47:59
  it's something big and fantastic.
• 48:00
  All right, that's going to drive television forward.
• 48:02
  And if it's not on just game promo, you get that quick pop.
• 48:05
  But then like, soon as everyone starts calling it names and
• 48:08
  someone's melt our thoughts written it apart, then like, do
• 48:11
  you do yourself? You might big the game up, but
• 48:14
  you've devalued your product of your television show.
• 48:16
  Maybe that's what I'm trying to say.
• 48:17
  Possibly, yeah. But yeah, but we'll see.
• 48:21
  We'll we'll see the Saturday at the Elimination Chamber and then
• 48:24
  we'll be here to talk about it afterwards, good, bad or
• 48:26
  otherwise. And then I had one other thing
• 48:28
  which was a dislike and that was so in the young books were
• 48:34
  involved in the segment where the brother got pulled out with
• 48:40
  the crowd and got given the FTR finish, I think in the ring to
• 48:45
  get him out. Stormy's like using like powder
• 48:53
  to distract people in the front row.
• 48:56
  And I just think like, no, like this is FTR.
• 48:59
  Just lean over, give them a couple of punches and pull them
• 49:01
  over the rear end. Like you don't need to be from a
• 49:03
  man in a wheelchair, does not need to be from powder in the
• 49:05
  front row. Like I don't understand the back
• 49:08
  gimmick being used. Like you.
• 49:10
  These are very physical guys FTR right?
• 49:13
  Like just just lean over a hammer and pull them over the
• 49:15
  wing. But to me that's more
• 49:17
  legitimate. It's more evil, it's more
• 49:19
  vicious. Like it shows him as being like
• 49:22
  just just vicious cunts. Do you know what I mean?
• 49:23
  Rather than like store giving evil knievel and form power to
• 49:27
  distract people so they can pull them over.
• 49:29
  Like it didn't the power. I didn't do anything.
• 49:32
  It was just there and looked stupid in my opinion.
• 49:34
  I don't want your thoughts on that, Luke.
• 49:36
  Yeah, it's just hokey, isn't it? It's like, you know, Mr. Fuji
• 49:39
  did it, culture insensitive or not, and it kind of makes sense.
• 49:42
  But yeah, for him to do it, it's just, it's random and like you
• 49:45
  say, it's not needed, is it? It's like it's a young book,
• 49:47
  brother. Like you could you could pull
• 49:48
  the young books over the barricade.
• 49:49
  I'd imagine the brothers not that hard either.
• 49:51
  So yeah, I think it would have been much more effective, like
• 49:53
  you said, if it had just been a pull over the Barry on a
• 49:55
  straight up beat down instead of like starting it with kind of
• 49:59
  hijinks like that. And I think that the way it
• 50:02
  looked, it looked, you know, like the buy in, like it's a
• 50:04
  very vicious thing to do, which is cool.
• 50:06
  Very good storytelling. So the idea of them attacking
• 50:09
  the young books family, I am on board with.
• 50:12
  There's a storytelling tool. But like, yeah, just like just
• 50:16
  lean over. You could like push the woman
• 50:17
  back. Like obviously she would know
• 50:19
  ahead of time, right? Because it's work.
• 50:20
  But like you push her back, then you lean over, you give him like
• 50:23
  4 rights and four over, get him in the ring, then do the power
• 50:26
  driver. Like I don't know why you still
• 50:29
  that not makes you more like a vicious gun rather than like
• 50:32
  stories acting like a Mr. Fuji want to be like, do you know
• 50:35
  what I mean? No, it does.
• 50:36
  And I think that whole storyline needs wrapping up soon as well,
• 50:40
  because we know we'll get a good match out of them.
• 50:41
  But we've seen the young books in FTL before, so yeah, it's
• 50:45
  kind of, it's going on a bit. So I think it needs to be
• 50:47
  wrapped up sooner rather than later.
• 50:50
  Anything you just like from the past week?
• 50:52
  No, I think I'm going to leave it there because I think we
• 50:54
  should talk some backlash 2002 may.
• 50:56
  I think we should hit a pause on the present and dive back into
• 51:00
  the past. Yes.
• 51:02
  So the next segment is a moment in time.
• 51:05
  This is where we look at a wrestling match, which is what
• 51:07
  it has been so far on the show. So a wrestling match, a moment,
• 51:10
  an event, you know, a great act, something interesting that's
• 51:13
  worth looking back on today. But we're trying to avoid the
• 51:16
  big things like everybody remembers rocking Hogan at
• 51:19
  WrestleMania. Everybody remembers a storm
• 51:22
  called Steve Austin, Tyson and Shawn Michaels.
• 51:26
  You know, everybody remembers the Triple threat match, Ben
• 51:29
  Moore, Triple H, sure Michaels, you know those big moments.
• 51:33
  Everyone remembers Hogan, Slam and Andre, for example.
• 51:36
  Everybody knows about those. We're trying to look at things
• 51:38
  that maybe were lower on the card but were fantastic and had
• 51:41
  were big moments in their time. So my trying to pick this year
• 51:44
  and I did pick a match from the year 2002.
• 51:47
  It was April 21st, 2002. It was WWF Backlash and I do
• 51:53
  believe this was the last event to be WWFI.
• 51:57
  Believe the very next night on Raw it is WWEI think that's
• 52:02
  correct. Get the F out.
• 52:05
  Yes, indeed. And the match we're going to
• 52:07
  look at is Edge versus Kurt Angle, who had an awesome feud
• 52:13
  this year, not only putting Smackdown on the map, but also
• 52:17
  Edge's single career sort of gets off to really get out the
• 52:21
  out the blocks this year with this feud with Kurt, it really
• 52:23
  legitimizes Edge. And you could see without this
• 52:26
  feud, does Edge go on to be like the story is like, maybe not
• 52:29
  because it's like the work he does with Kurt.
• 52:33
  I think in this feud and in this match, like prove his chops as a
• 52:37
  as a single star, just a little star little star.
• 52:42
  Before we get going. So the event took place at the
• 52:44
  Kemper Arena in Kansas City, MO. And this is the first pay review
• 52:47
  event to be held in the Kemper Arena since over the Edge in May
• 52:51
  1999, which is obviously where Owen Hart competing as the Blue
• 52:55
  Blazer, sadly died after falling 78 feet from a harness to the
• 52:58
  ring. So they've been away from this
• 53:00
  arena for a while. And this is the first time back
• 53:02
  from that time. Be far and through the card,
• 53:06
  Lucas, anything you want to talk about?
• 53:07
  Yeah, it's quite a big card, isn't it?
• 53:09
  Because you kind of, this is after WrestleMania, Radian.
• 53:12
  So you've had the Hogan, Rock and the main events.
• 53:15
  Hogan beating Triple H for the WA title, which, you know,
• 53:19
  crazy, which would you write? It is the last night that the
• 53:22
  WWF because he becomes the last man, doesn't he?
• 53:24
  Hogan to hold the WWF title. So I think you are right.
• 53:28
  So yes, obviously Corgan beats Triple H.
• 53:31
  Hogan is to be tonight. On this night, we're talking
• 53:35
  about who can becomes the last man to hold the WWF Championship
• 53:40
  and then on Roy becomes the first man to hold the WWE
• 53:44
  Championship. History, baby.
• 53:50
  And then you also had take a who versus Austin, which is you're
• 53:53
  quite interesting because you're getting quite close to Austin
• 53:56
  taking his ball and going home in his own words, because you've
• 53:58
  got the rise of Brock Lesnar on this card as well.
• 54:00
  Obviously Austin didn't want to Blues to Lesnar on Roar, so
• 54:04
  you've got kind of the back end of Austin's career starting kind
• 54:08
  of this year really. And there's also a really good
• 54:11
  match on there with Tajiri and Billy Kidman for the
• 54:13
  cruiserweight championship. I quite do a deep dive on a
• 54:16
  cruiserweight championship at some point, but this kind of
• 54:19
  certain period because I think there was a little golden age
• 54:21
  where especially when you had brand specific shores, you had
• 54:24
  some really, really good cruise out with matches.
• 54:27
  So yeah, that could be interesting as well at some
• 54:29
  point. But would definitely recommend
• 54:30
  given the given the whole card. But yeah, to Giri Kidman, also
• 54:33
  Eddie and RVD for the IC titles. Worth a watch as well.
• 54:37
  Yes, I went through the whole card.
• 54:39
  So on a match I aired on Sunday night heat not on the card was
• 54:44
  Big Short defeated Stevie Richards and just incredible in
• 54:46
  a handicap match. Wow.
• 54:48
  Then had to giri with Tory Wilson, obviously Billy Kidman's
• 54:52
  wife. Of course it was, wasn't it?
• 54:56
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so they defeat Billy
• 54:58
  Kidman. Scott Hall with X Pack defeated
• 55:00
  Bradshaw with Farooq. Jazz was the women's champion
• 55:04
  and she defeated Trish Stratus by submission.
• 55:08
  Brock Lesnar beats Jeff Hardy. Obviously both Paul him in the
• 55:11
  leader or ringside by that. That was defeat by Tiki or
• 55:14
  something. He knocked Jeff out by just
• 55:16
  bullying him. Kurt Angle as we're going to
• 55:19
  talk about Faced Edge, Eddie Guerrero defeated Rob Van Damme
• 55:23
  for the Intercontinental Championship.
• 55:26
  Undertaker defeated Stone Cold Steve Austin.
• 55:28
  This match was a #1 contender for the undisputed WDF title.
• 55:32
  Ric Flair was the referee. We then had billion Chuck with
• 55:35
  Rico defeated Al Snow and Maven. That was AW ref tag team title
• 55:38
  match. So a nice little bit of filler
• 55:40
  in there to bring you back down ahead of Hollywood.
• 55:43
  Hulk Hogan defeating Triple H to become the undisputed and final
• 55:48
  Undisputed WWF champion. But yeah, we're going to talk
• 55:54
  about Kurt Angle and Edge. This match was only 13 minutes
• 55:57
  in 25 seconds, and it's an absolute bond burn.
• 56:01
  That's what I thought. And essentially what's been
• 56:03
  happening on television is that Edge and Angle have been having
• 56:07
  a little feud. It's gotten a little bit
• 56:08
  personal. Edge sort of comes back to Kurt
• 56:11
  in one of the episodes where he sort of says, oh, look at these
• 56:13
  pictures have been you from the past.
• 56:15
  And he's shown Kurt the pitch as in true Kurt comedy fashion.
• 56:18
  This is writing on the back, sort of calling Kurt names, and
• 56:21
  Kurt doesn't realize afterwards. That reminded me of the Bob
• 56:24
  Dylan music video. I don't know what it did you,
• 56:25
  Luke. Yeah, I know what you mean.
• 56:28
  It did have that touch to oppose.
• 56:29
  I quite like the build up because it was kind of a mix,
• 56:31
  wasn't it? Of kind of comedy with Kirk
• 56:33
  getting pissed off and turning a serious?
• 56:35
  So I thought it was quite a good little build.
• 56:37
  Yeah, it was comedy draws in for the entertainment value and then
• 56:40
  like these guys are serious compared as we get that in this
• 56:44
  match, which is really, really good.
• 56:48
  So yeah, it's what I loved is that sort of the beginning of
• 56:50
  the match, it's just sort of really good back and forth.
• 56:52
  It's, you know, it's, it's off the ropes that's linked up, it's
• 56:54
  quick exchanges. No one's really on top.
• 56:57
  As soon as somebody looks like they're going to get on, going
• 56:59
  to get on top, the other one reverses it.
• 57:03
  I really enjoy sort of that fast-paced believability.
• 57:05
  Both these guys wanted to be there, they wanted to sort of
• 57:08
  kick each other's arse and they were both trying to do that.
• 57:11
  Yeah, it was really, it was really hard hitting, Kurt in
• 57:14
  particular. Obviously we'll get to it, but
• 57:15
  the finish, yeah, but I thought it was one thing I like about it
• 57:17
  was quick and it was hard hitting from both of them.
• 57:21
  It was indeed, and there was a bit where I sort of froze Kurt
• 57:24
  Angle to the outside of the back body drop, which I thought was
• 57:26
  pretty cool. Yeah.
• 57:29
  And we get a mix of like both these guys exchange and
• 57:32
  suplexes, drop kicks. The selling is fantastic by both
• 57:36
  these guys, and it's really sells intensity of the
• 57:39
  situation, but also of these guys.
• 57:41
  It's a physical back and forth. What I've got.
• 57:43
  They're both throwing hands, throwing chops, and they're
• 57:46
  going into suplex and drop kicks just, yeah, Edge then gets to
• 57:50
  the upper hand just as Edges get to the upper hand.
• 57:52
  He's met by the suplex by Angle. And this is a time before we've
• 57:55
  seen Brock doing the suplexes where there was such
• 57:58
  presentation on them. But like here, we see Angles
• 58:00
  delivering these suplexes and like, Edges selling the hell out
• 58:03
  of them. And like, yeah, I don't know
• 58:04
  what you thought about. And take a kick in like, like
• 58:07
  Kurt looks like really stiff in this and I like it.
• 58:11
  Like you can see at the end of the match, like edges got Welt
• 58:13
  all over him. So like, yeah, Kurt, Kurt looks
• 58:15
  like a machine in here, which is what he was.
• 58:17
  So yeah, I think it's a really good presentation of Kurt Angle
• 58:20
  in this way. It's especially like, say with
• 58:22
  the build up that kind of hard hitting stuff was almost a lot
• 58:24
  of fuck enough for this little prick.
• 58:26
  Like I'm from Kurt Angle. Let's let's do it.
• 58:29
  Indeed, Edge gets you behind, but that he's sort of met by a
• 58:32
  suplex that leads to a sleep, a submission when we get the old
• 58:35
  school three arm count where Edge's hand goes up twice and
• 58:38
  falls to the ground, goes up a third time and he keeps it up,
• 58:41
  which I love this from Mike wrestling back in sort of, oh,
• 58:43
  Haiti, I love it. She'll bring it back all the
• 58:45
  time. Edge fights out out of the sleep
• 58:49
  app, then is met by a German suplex and Kurt holds on.
• 58:53
  He looks like he's going to bring him back around and try
• 58:54
  and deliver something else. Edge manages to sort of wriggle
• 58:57
  out and he hits him with a belly to belly of his own, sort of
• 59:02
  another back and forth and starts to speed up a bit again.
• 59:08
  Sort of there's a big back body drop by by Edge.
• 59:11
  There's not 2 sort of falls on angle.
• 59:15
  You know that like near falls. So angles selling like Edge now.
• 59:19
  He puts them away twice, which I thought was really cool.
• 59:24
  We then get an awesome, it's an hour.
• 59:26
  I would call it a super belly, a belly suplex off the top rope or
• 59:28
  an avalanche belly. A belly.
• 59:29
  I don't know what you thought of that, that sport, Luke.
• 59:32
  Yeah, it was great because obviously I had Edge doing his
• 59:34
  kind of babyface come back at that point.
• 59:36
  You think he's finally getting the upper hand after I say,
• 59:38
  getting the shit kicked out of him.
• 59:39
  But then Kurt just kind of pops up like, you know, the horror
• 59:42
  movie villain out of Norway. Just amazing athleticism
• 59:45
  straight up into that. So yeah, it was a really cool
• 59:47
  little spot again, that just took the wind right.
• 59:48
  Our Edges sails like I say, like Edge takes a lot in this match
• 59:52
  and Kurt looks like like a monster actually.
• 59:55
  It is indeed, and we do get the point where sort of after this
• 59:59
  could deliver some more suplexes.
• 1:00:01
  Gets some near falls on edge just hit me with an angle slam,
• 1:00:03
  but edge does kick out, which was really cool.
• 1:00:10
  We sort of see on tracking my notes, you know, that I've got a
• 1:00:13
  very, very messy angle ends up on the outside and the edge hits
• 1:00:20
  this crossbody off the top and my cause edge is so long.
• 1:00:23
  This thing just looks like a really, really brutal, doesn't
• 1:00:28
  it? Yeah, well, it was straight from
• 1:00:30
  that belly to belly the outside that you mentioned.
• 1:00:32
  So he hits the belly belt, the outside climb straight or drop
• 1:00:34
  straight on top of him. And yeah, because of his kind of
• 1:00:36
  gangliness, like he looks like a massive weight coming down on
• 1:00:40
  top of him. And Kurt really sells it.
• 1:00:41
  It was part of that kind of babyface comeback.
• 1:00:43
  So yeah, that was kind of one of the big bits of offence Edge
• 1:00:46
  gets in that match. Edge frozen back in and hits him
• 1:00:49
  with a missile drop kick off the top row as well for an EF4.
• 1:00:55
  And then again, Kirk has to bring the chain to the ring,
• 1:00:57
  hits the ropes. Edge gets a bit more momentum
• 1:01:00
  going on that from that. And then he goes for the spear.
• 1:01:04
  And then Kurt just fucking takes his head off Like so it's not
• 1:01:07
  even a reversal of a spear, is it?
• 1:01:09
  As just runs into it and he just essentially tore punch him in
• 1:01:12
  the face. Like it looked absolutely
• 1:01:13
  brutal. Like I've got no memory of that,
• 1:01:16
  like from back in the day. But then he does.
• 1:01:18
  He just like kind of kicks him down.
• 1:01:20
  Angle slam 123. Kurt wins.
• 1:01:24
  And in the build that as well. You've got something after that,
• 1:01:28
  sorry. After he come back in the ring
• 1:01:29
  and he hits him with a missile drop kick.
• 1:01:32
  Kurt ends up coming back. He straps come down after Edge
• 1:01:36
  kicks out of an angle slam gets him in the ankle lock.
• 1:01:39
  Awesome selling by Edge. He's able to sort of roll up
• 1:01:42
  Kurt Angle just escaped. That's when he gets the chair,
• 1:01:48
  goes and gets the chair and he throws the, he throws the chair,
• 1:01:51
  the ring rope and he now he takes himself out with it with
• 1:01:54
  the chair. Do you remember that one?
• 1:01:55
  Yeah. Which is really cool.
• 1:01:59
  But yeah, goes for the spear. And then Angle just give him the
• 1:02:02
  punt I describe as like a Randy Orton type punt.
• 1:02:05
  Yeah, it looks like it's worth watching just for that like
• 1:02:08
  sequence at the end. Is indeed and he gets the angle
• 1:02:10
  slam and sort of angle wins and angle wins.
• 1:02:16
  But like edges gone 13 minutes. These guys have give it all such
• 1:02:19
  a fast-paced bond burner of a match.
• 1:02:21
  Fantastic match and the edges prove he's chops he has like
• 1:02:23
  being able to hang with the best I think.
• 1:02:26
  No 100%. And kind of, you know, we'll
• 1:02:28
  call the segment a moment in time.
• 1:02:29
  I think it's a it's a really good one to pick.
• 1:02:32
  Like if you want to look at kind of the ascendance of Edge
• 1:02:34
  because yeah, he he if you look at it, almost could be seen like
• 1:02:38
  you got squashed a bit that you hung in there.
• 1:02:40
  But ultimately he never was really in it.
• 1:02:42
  But it's what it then needs to. So obviously the face off again
• 1:02:46
  next time. And it's in the infamous hair
• 1:02:47
  versus hair match where Edge gets the victory shaved curve
• 1:02:50
  bald. He then goes on to win the tag
• 1:02:52
  team titles with Hulk Hogan. He then goes on to have like a
• 1:02:56
  good couple of months run with Eddie Guerrero and then you get
• 1:02:59
  the kind of start of the Smackdown 6 with the kind of him
• 1:03:02
  and Ray versus Benoit Angle and the Guerrero's.
• 1:03:06
  So it's kind of this is the kind of breakaway moment where it
• 1:03:10
  really starts where him after this he's in there were main
• 1:03:13
  event guys for the rest of the year and onwards.
• 1:03:17
  He is indeed, and I think anybody who wants to go back and
• 1:03:20
  watch this match, but also just watch the whole feud because it
• 1:03:23
  is very much the evolution of Edge and Edge announcing himself
• 1:03:26
  on the world stage as being like the top competitor.
• 1:03:28
  And I think Angle, doing it with somebody like Angle, I think
• 1:03:32
  just really legitimizes you. Like I said, these guys have
• 1:03:35
  great chemistry, both on the funny side but also in the nitty
• 1:03:38
  gritty big hotspot side as well, which is absolutely fantastic.
• 1:03:42
  I think that's one of the things that kind of some knock goes
• 1:03:46
  like overlooked. But with Kurt that like he could
• 1:03:49
  do the comedy just as well as you could do the serious stuff.
• 1:03:52
  But because of his background and like I say, how stiff he
• 1:03:55
  could look in the ring, you could have him run like a comedy
• 1:03:58
  angle for a couple of months. Then if you need to be a killer
• 1:04:01
  again, he could switch to it and it was still believable.
• 1:04:03
  So I think that's like one of the really kind of impressive
• 1:04:06
  things with Kurt Angle, how he was able able to flip between
• 1:04:09
  kind of both sides of what make kind of, you know, sports
• 1:04:13
  entertainment so good. He had it all.
• 1:04:16
  No, definitely. There's an awesome bit of
• 1:04:20
  commentary at the end where GR says these two meet again.
• 1:04:23
  You can count on that. And obviously, of course you
• 1:04:26
  know they're going to have a kill off you.
• 1:04:27
  That is it, a final moment in Kurtz and Ned's career, which is
• 1:04:31
  the hair versus hair match. It was a big year for hair
• 1:04:33
  because at the WrestleMania previous as well, it was the
• 1:04:36
  infamous him versus Booker T / a Japanese shampoo commercial.
• 1:04:40
  So quite, quite, quite a lot of hair related gimmicks for Edge
• 1:04:43
  that year, which, you know, more than one is a lot really because
• 1:04:46
  that's it's, it's a stretch. His hair is so good to edges
• 1:04:49
  hair, right? I mean, certainly then.
• 1:04:51
  Yeah. I mean that that's kind of.
• 1:04:52
  Umpire, right? Yeah, like at the start with
• 1:04:55
  this kind of Rob Zombie entrance is openly glasses like you look
• 1:04:57
  that kind of new metal skater which was kind of all all the
• 1:05:01
  rage in 2002 GI mean he was very kind of of the time and cool for
• 1:05:05
  that era. Again a moment in time.
• 1:05:07
  That's what kind of cool looked like in a lot of circles.
• 1:05:11
  And I think anybody else wear them glasses in that jacket like
• 1:05:14
  it doesn't work, but he just. Nah, and I've tried it.
• 1:05:17
  Yeah, it doesn't. He's who's and charisma that
• 1:05:20
  brings an end to a moment in time.
• 1:05:22
  We're going to move on. Did they really say that?
• 1:05:24
  This is where we look back at a court either if I'm going to put
• 1:05:27
  a promo from an interview from somebody's book, from the
• 1:05:30
  interview backstage being said later on.
• 1:05:32
  Just a quote from the rest of the world and sort of how it's
• 1:05:34
  aged today. Luke, you've got this weeks.
• 1:05:37
  Did they really say that? So yeah, so I've gone for a
• 1:05:40
  recent quote because it kind of ties in nicely with a lot of
• 1:05:44
  things online saying that like they don't really know what
• 1:05:47
  they're doing with a lot of the stuff at WrestleMania yet.
• 1:05:50
  So it's a call from Bruce Pritchard about the writing
• 1:05:53
  team. So this is kind of Bruce's
• 1:05:55
  description of the current writing team.
• 1:05:57
  So he says that you have a team of highly creative people
• 1:06:00
  pitching. I wouldn't say it's exactly like
• 1:06:03
  Hollywood writers room, but it's pretty close actually.
• 1:06:06
  It's probably similar to more like a Saturday Night Live get
• 1:06:09
  together. So what are your thoughts on
• 1:06:13
  that then is that, you know, these guys who are putting these
• 1:06:15
  shows together that we're talking about.
• 1:06:17
  WrestleMania is a bit unpredictable.
• 1:06:20
  How do you think that that Pacific quote paints the the
• 1:06:25
  whole writing process? I think two things like number
• 1:06:28
  one, I've seen melts. I say that maybe they're not
• 1:06:31
  tied down on me because I ticket sales and I don't necessarily
• 1:06:34
  believe melter like I think ticket sales are going to
• 1:06:37
  certainly because you're back in the same city you were last
• 1:06:39
  year. The tickets are more expensive,
• 1:06:41
  so you're back in the same market.
• 1:06:43
  The reason why I mean it moves every year so that you move the
• 1:06:45
  market. Think that makes sense.
• 1:06:49
  So like all things look in the air.
• 1:06:50
  I don't know, some people are saying it is but and they could
• 1:06:55
  be right, but they could also be wrong.
• 1:06:57
  I think I don't know. When you first hear that quote,
• 1:07:01
  it makes you think is like, you know, when you think of
• 1:07:04
  Hollywood, you think about, you know, a movie or a movie
• 1:07:07
  strategy and it should be locked in.
• 1:07:09
  Like we're going from here to here.
• 1:07:11
  I take The Avengers, right? We're going to spend 10 years
• 1:07:14
  telling the story to get to Avengers end game, right?
• 1:07:17
  So we're not really going to change much.
• 1:07:18
  All things do change. Like that's where we're going.
• 1:07:21
  So it's the same place. When he says SNL, obviously
• 1:07:24
  that's more like on the fly. Things can change depending on
• 1:07:26
  what's happened in the world that day.
• 1:07:27
  It's a live production. And to be fair, WWE is a live
• 1:07:31
  production. What SNL do is like, fantastic.
• 1:07:36
  You know, it's not going to be not be mocked at the fact that
• 1:07:39
  SNL can even happen like it's a credit everybody there because
• 1:07:42
  it is absolute chaos, like in in the best way, if that makes
• 1:07:44
  sense. If you don't believe that, watch
• 1:07:47
  the film Saturday Night. Yeah.
• 1:07:48
  Probably. The first ever Saturday Night
• 1:07:50
  Live. No.
• 1:07:52
  And I think it is. I think it's an interesting
• 1:07:54
  quote because I think, you know, the writing of a wrestling
• 1:07:57
  product and you know, especially the tribalism, you know, AW gets
• 1:08:01
  heavily criticized for the writing of it.
• 1:08:02
  WE gets heavily criticized by like, you know, the, the, you
• 1:08:05
  know, the tribal opposing funds. But I think if I hit the knee on
• 1:08:08
  the head, we're like for all companies, like, you know, this
• 1:08:11
  is TNA included, this is New Japan.
• 1:08:13
  Like this is a live product that's more or less going out
• 1:08:16
  episodically every week. Like the amount of writing that
• 1:08:19
  has to go into that, it is a lot like there's going to be
• 1:08:22
  missteps. There's going to be some stuff
• 1:08:24
  that's good, some stuff shit, but that's kind of why you still
• 1:08:28
  go back because like you could have the worst show in the world
• 1:08:31
  tonight on Raw, but then they could pull it out the bag next
• 1:08:34
  week. So it's kind of what makes it
• 1:08:36
  exciting is that like although you know, it's predetermined and
• 1:08:39
  stuff like that, you still never know what's going to happen.
• 1:08:40
  Like I think I was reading tonight for example, there's
• 1:08:42
  been some bad weather. So I think it's going to be a
• 1:08:44
  lot of people missing from Raw. So who knows what's going to
• 1:08:46
  happen because it's a live show. They haven't pre recorded this.
• 1:08:49
  Yeah, I think that's something else as well.
• 1:08:51
  So I think if you look at obviously these people are
• 1:08:53
  athletes, right? Must have said, you know,
• 1:08:54
  Chelsea Greensbroker Angle. So we managed to keep Chelsea
• 1:08:58
  green on television, but probably different to how it was
• 1:09:01
  originally planned out, right. So you have to be able to do
• 1:09:05
  that on the fly, which is what they're doing, which is really
• 1:09:06
  cool. The same of remember that Raw
• 1:09:08
  when law got stuck in Europe because of the volcano in Italy
• 1:09:11
  and then yeah, NXT a turn up on Raw.
• 1:09:14
  You'll create moments like that where it's like unexpected, was
• 1:09:17
  it good? Was it bad doing all?
• 1:09:18
  But like, everyone remembers that Raw when NXT got a chance
• 1:09:22
  to shine on the mainstage, that you know what I mean?
• 1:09:24
  Yeah. I think, yeah, these athletes,
• 1:09:27
  you know, they can get hurt because it's very dangerous.
• 1:09:29
  Wrestling's very dangerous and they can get hurt and you have
• 1:09:32
  to pivot and change. The same with if you're doing a
• 1:09:34
  gimmick or a storyline and then just say if something happens
• 1:09:38
  real world that ties into that, actually you're dealing with
• 1:09:41
  drugs or crime or or sex or, you know, affairs, whatever it is,
• 1:09:46
  and something breaks in the news that week that like deals with
• 1:09:49
  it, You may have to pivot away from it because you don't want
• 1:09:53
  to have that while you're telling a story.
• 1:09:55
  It's now affecting me in the real world and then you need to
• 1:09:57
  stay away from it, if that makes sense.
• 1:09:59
  Case important be Mohammed Hassan and the London bombings.
• 1:10:03
  No, again, it's live TV, Anything can happen is to say.
• 1:10:07
  And I just think it was quite, quite interesting quote books.
• 1:10:09
  I think every company gets its criticism for the way things are
• 1:10:13
  raw and do they know what they're doing and things like
• 1:10:14
  that. And I think you're right about
• 1:10:15
  the WrestleMania ticket sales. I think it's the fact that
• 1:10:18
  they've gone back the same place twice.
• 1:10:19
  They don't normally do. And there's a lot of stuff going
• 1:10:22
  on in the world, like people for right or wrong reasons, might
• 1:10:26
  not want to travel to America. Like there's a lot of kind of
• 1:10:29
  things up in the air about the World Cup being held in America.
• 1:10:32
  It's it's a similar principle to WrestleMania, you know what I
• 1:10:35
  mean? So you don't fully, fully know
• 1:10:37
  reasons why tickets haven't shifted as well as they have.
• 1:10:40
  And we're still six weeks away probably, if not a bit longer.
• 1:10:43
  So yeah, it's it's one of those ones.
• 1:10:44
  But it's always an interesting quote here.
• 1:10:45
  And someone from the writing team kind of describe what they
• 1:10:49
  think it's like working on it because you know, whether you
• 1:10:51
  like, dislike, agree, disagree with Bruce Pritchard, He's been
• 1:10:54
  part of that backstage process for a very long time on and off.
• 1:10:58
  So if any come here in his opinion is quite interesting,
• 1:11:01
  especially with the criticism that's kind of getting thrown
• 1:11:04
  their way at the moment. Was this on something to wrestle
• 1:11:06
  with, or was it on something else?
• 1:11:08
  Yeah, it was on something to wrestle with, yeah.
• 1:11:10
  So. It was on his own podcast and
• 1:11:12
  Conrad asked him the question. Yeah.
• 1:11:14
  Yeah. Cool.
• 1:11:16
  And I was just wondering what context he would have been asked
• 1:11:18
  about that. That that makes sense.
• 1:11:21
  Yeah, You know, I think plus the days of like WrestleMania
• 1:11:24
  selling out in a day, like long gone here because of how much it
• 1:11:27
  costs now and because of the two nights and how they do tickets,
• 1:11:30
  it's not 1 ticket anymore. Like yeah, some of them are
• 1:11:33
  bundled together as two year tickets from them on.
• 1:11:34
  So yeah, I think as long as you're sold out, almost sold out
• 1:11:38
  by the day of, then it's a success, right?
• 1:11:42
  No 100%. And like I say, I mean it'll,
• 1:11:45
  they'll be fine, I'm sure. And like, one thing I would say
• 1:11:49
  is even just house shows here in the UK, like like the ticket
• 1:11:52
  prices are expensive now, like very expensive.
• 1:11:55
  Oh, I've gone stupid. Like we, we, we normally go to
• 1:11:58
  the Newcastle house shows, but we didn't this year because like
• 1:12:01
  I think it think it did drop closer at a time.
• 1:12:03
  But when I looked at like half decent seats, you don't like
• 1:12:04
  £150, whereas like we've paid that for ringside before.
• 1:12:08
  So yeah, I mean, the price definitely is a factor.
• 1:12:10
  And I do think it's shit how Tikio do seem to be more driven
• 1:12:14
  on that. But you know, if it doesn't
• 1:12:16
  work, they will have to rethink that, which I think they already
• 1:12:18
  sought to have because of, as you've said, they've started the
• 1:12:20
  discounts for the two nights and things like that.
• 1:12:22
  So, you know, you can try these things where people do talk with
• 1:12:25
  the wallets I guess. So hopefully they do get that
• 1:12:28
  message. And they have got time to do
• 1:12:30
  that right and change. They take a price and they get
• 1:12:31
  people in. But I think I think Vince price
• 1:12:34
  tickets are so low, like take you or thought they had to
• 1:12:36
  increase them, but have they increased them too much?
• 1:12:38
  And this isn't just a wrestling problem.
• 1:12:39
  I think one of my favorite bands Franz Ferdinand since I was
• 1:12:43
  like, oh, like the plain Newcastle.
• 1:12:46
  This was last week, I believe, you know, do you want to go?
• 1:12:48
  It's £50 a ticket and I was like 50 LB a ticket which to submit a
• 1:12:52
  magazine. You make a lot.
• 1:12:53
  But to me, to see Franz Ferdinand and 50 lbs.
• 1:12:56
  At that time I didn't want to pay £50 and I really, I really
• 1:12:59
  like them. Do you know?
• 1:13:01
  What I mean no I went so maximum park on Saturday night and they
• 1:13:03
  were about £50 a ticket as well. But I only ended up going and
• 1:13:07
  again I love them. It's because I managed to get
• 1:13:09
  like 2 tickets off Twickets the resale site for £50 for two.
• 1:13:13
  And like the show was fucking unbelievable like like
• 1:13:16
  absolutely unbelievable like hometown crowd excellent but
• 1:13:19
  like I nearly didn't go that purely because of the cost and I
• 1:13:22
  would have missed out. So it is a shame because you are
• 1:13:24
  going to have people who just can't afford it and will choose
• 1:13:27
  even if the they can't afford it.
• 1:13:28
  Just don't you know, it doesn't add up as worth enough, as
• 1:13:31
  worthy enough to spend that kind of money on something.
• 1:13:34
  Indeed, should we move on accursed by the wrestling gods?
• 1:13:38
  Yeah, we can. Yeah.
• 1:13:39
  So I've chosen this this week and it's, you know, mainly based
• 1:13:43
  on his, but it's just based on his wrestling career.
• 1:13:47
  But I've gone for Wade Barrett, everyone's favorite commentator.
• 1:13:52
  So I think he is actually one of the best commentators at the
• 1:13:54
  moment. What what's your opinion on him
• 1:13:55
  as a commentator before we're kind of take a dive into whether
• 1:13:58
  or not he's cursed as far as his in ring career went.
• 1:14:01
  I. Think it's a commentator.
• 1:14:03
  I see him as legitimate commentator.
• 1:14:06
  I Kiran him. I think he works well with the
• 1:14:08
  company as they've got there. He fits in well as part of that
• 1:14:10
  package. So, yeah, I would say very
• 1:14:13
  successful commentator. Like he doesn't, he doesn't
• 1:14:16
  stand out as like, like he stands out less than a Pat
• 1:14:21
  McAfee, for example, or I make a call.
• 1:14:23
  But I think that's probably what he's the corn all stand out,
• 1:14:27
  right. So I think I think he fits in
• 1:14:29
  there nicely and does the bit he needs to do and he adds a bit of
• 1:14:31
  legitimacy to the comedy team as a former pro wrestler.
• 1:14:34
  Yeah, that's exactly what I was just kind of kind of asking
• 1:14:36
  about that. Like, I think do you like it
• 1:14:38
  when they've been wrestlers themselves, which I do, which is
• 1:14:40
  greatest thing for, you know, people who like to kind of get
• 1:14:42
  in touch with the show, Which kind of, you know, current or
• 1:14:46
  retired wrestlers do you think could end up behind the
• 1:14:49
  commentary booth in the future, like, like a Wade Barrett?
• 1:14:52
  So if anyone wants to get in touch with that, that would be
• 1:14:54
  interesting to hear people's thoughts on that.
• 1:14:56
  But yeah, the curse side of it, I wanted to kind of look at his
• 1:14:59
  wrestling career. So a kind of, you know, where
• 1:15:01
  barrage from the UK said his inspiration to get into
• 1:15:04
  wrestling is the most UK answer you can have.
• 1:15:05
  It was by watching Brett and the British Bulldog as Summer Slam
• 1:15:08
  92. That's that's a very British
• 1:15:10
  response, isn't it? It's a very British response,
• 1:15:13
  but it's also like, you know, one of the one of the one of
• 1:15:16
  wrestling's greatest matches, I would say.
• 1:15:17
  And obviously, you know, Brett Hitman heart has a soft spot in
• 1:15:21
  my heart, certainly so. But yeah, I think so.
• 1:15:25
  Muscle 92 was such a big moment for wrestling in Europe and in
• 1:15:29
  the UK because like, you know, until AW came a few years ago,
• 1:15:34
  like they've never been replicated either.
• 1:15:35
  But it was like one of the Big 4 Summer Slam on home soil and the
• 1:15:40
  main events, the IC title match. And it's, you know, British
• 1:15:43
  Bulldog, one of our own against his brother-in-law Brett, the
• 1:15:45
  Hitman Heart, one of the greatest wrestlers of all time.
• 1:15:48
  And it's even more impressive when you think that, you know,
• 1:15:50
  British Bulldogs spent a lot of that somebody taking crack,
• 1:15:53
  which is true, isn't it? I don't exactly crack, but no,
• 1:15:57
  they like, yeah, Brett hotter like.
• 1:15:59
  Brett carries Outback, doesn't he?
• 1:16:01
  Because like, Bulldog really isn't in a good shape, is he?
• 1:16:03
  He knows not his drum. As well And I think he comes to
• 1:16:05
  Brett and Brett says I've got you, don't worry like.
• 1:16:07
  Yeah, he calls him Mr. Hitman, doesn't he, Mr. Hitman?
• 1:16:10
  Mr. Hitman? Yeah.
• 1:16:11
  And then Hitman does what Hitman does, and we're actually safe.
• 1:16:15
  Makes it look believable and gives you a moment which, you
• 1:16:18
  know, is for everyone in attendance.
• 1:16:21
  You're not seeing the bulldog. They're doing that, you know,
• 1:16:24
  again, sort of life to find and also, you know, made a young,
• 1:16:27
  weird Barrett say I'm going to be a wrestler. 100% and as well
• 1:16:31
  as want to be a wrestler, he was a legit Barnacle Barnacle
• 1:16:34
  fighter as well to quite some success.
• 1:16:37
  Kind of starting off with kind of you know who is the recur.
• 1:16:39
  So one of his Barnacle fights in Istanbul, he's walking down a
• 1:16:43
  back lane and he gets stabbed. So apparently he has a massive
• 1:16:46
  scarf from that, but he doesn't talk about it that much legally
• 1:16:49
  as in his words, the other guy ended up a lot worse.
• 1:16:52
  So foot knows what happened there if he got stabbed and has
• 1:16:55
  a 12 inch wound from it. But he seems to think the other
• 1:16:57
  guy got off worse. So again, that kind of ended the
• 1:17:00
  bare knuckle thing where then we're into wrestling where he
• 1:17:03
  was trained by Al Snow. He had he was in all the he had
• 1:17:08
  tryouts with WB when they were over here film and raw and smack
• 1:17:10
  down. He went over VW which then shut
• 1:17:13
  down become FCW. While he was in FCW he was
• 1:17:16
  injured but obviously saw something then because during
• 1:17:19
  his injury the Putman comms with Dusty Rhodes.
• 1:17:23
  So kind of coming full circle there really.
• 1:17:25
  Even back in development, the Haddam doing commentary with
• 1:17:29
  Dusty Rhodes, which must have been a pretty cool moment for
• 1:17:31
  him. And then kind of there's on
• 1:17:34
  screen kind of as we norm Korea kind of begins from then.
• 1:17:37
  So he's on the first season of NXT.
• 1:17:40
  So when I say the first season of NXT, what's your thoughts of
• 1:17:43
  that? What what, what's your memories
• 1:17:45
  of Season 1 NXT? What does that mean to you?
• 1:17:47
  So. This is when NXT was still sort
• 1:17:50
  of it's the game show, NXT. It's not like it's not the full
• 1:17:53
  developmental yet. It's the game show, right?
• 1:17:55
  Yeah, that's absolutely right. Yeah.
• 1:17:58
  So yes, the game show and it's like in the game show aspect of
• 1:18:00
  it is that you have these rookies.
• 1:18:02
  So you had Daniel Bryan was on there as a rookie, which pissed
• 1:18:05
  the end off at the time. We're Barrett just in Gabriel
• 1:18:08
  Heath slate. I was some of that David
• 1:18:10
  Rotonga, some of the bigger names on there and they all were
• 1:18:12
  assigned pros. So Brian had the maze, which
• 1:18:16
  again, just brilliant at pissing off the NF on that.
• 1:18:18
  Isn't it called Daniel Bryan a rookie and given him the mazes
• 1:18:21
  as pro? But Barrett probably had kind of
• 1:18:23
  the most established pro on there is he had Chris Jericho
• 1:18:27
  every week to compete in different things.
• 1:18:30
  Barrett ends up winning NXT Season 1, which was quite
• 1:18:34
  surprising. A lot of people had Brian down
• 1:18:36
  Peg to win that, but Barrett wins it.
• 1:18:38
  I remember watching that kind of a lot and I thought the first
• 1:18:42
  season in particular because it was just so different.
• 1:18:45
  I really enjoyed it and Barrett did stand out from the start as
• 1:18:50
  like someone who was ready to go.
• 1:18:52
  So he wins season one. Season 1 got you a main roster
• 1:18:56
  contract and title shot if you're choosing at any time.
• 1:19:00
  So the win, he wins NXT that week 1.
• 1:19:04
  He then debuts the week after on Raw, but he's not there as
• 1:19:07
  himself. He's there with all of the other
• 1:19:10
  NXT guys. So your Tongas and they
• 1:19:12
  absolutely dismantle John Cena and Sam Punk in the ring as
• 1:19:16
  well. Now, what's your memories of
• 1:19:18
  that, that kind of debut of Barrett and the Nexus on the
• 1:19:20
  main roster? An old debut was like a super
• 1:19:24
  faction because it was like a lot of them.
• 1:19:25
  There's more than 4 and like they do sort of take all one row
• 1:19:29
  in the show and take out obviously you know the the
• 1:19:33
  biggest guy we've got right in wrestling, John Cena. 100% like.
• 1:19:39
  Say again. It was a massive moment like
• 1:19:41
  because obviously the RIP up the ring mark that you can, you
• 1:19:44
  know, the woods exposed, like Daniel Bryan fucking chokes out
• 1:19:48
  the ring announced and gets sacked for it.
• 1:19:50
  Like he goes too far, which you know, is up to you.
• 1:19:53
  I think that's too far. But like it's a huge thing and
• 1:19:55
  loads of things fall out of it. And I think it's one of those,
• 1:19:58
  it's an iconic, raw moment. Like we, but it's it's it's it's
• 1:20:02
  it's up there with different things like, you know, the
• 1:20:04
  Austin Pietro because of just I'd never ever seen anything
• 1:20:08
  like that before. And it was this group of rookies
• 1:20:11
  and it was taken out the top guys.
• 1:20:13
  Yeah, but I just want to say something as well.
• 1:20:15
  You call me silly. Yeah.
• 1:20:17
  I say I'm right, I say I'm wrong.
• 1:20:18
  It's one of the other thing without this moment taking place
• 1:20:22
  and these guys causing so much damage because not just the
• 1:20:24
  damage, the restless, but the damage, the stop the whole show,
• 1:20:27
  right? The, you know, they're attacking
• 1:20:30
  ring crew, they're ripping the the arena apart.
• 1:20:33
  You know, they're really all making a stand for themselves.
• 1:20:36
  I think if they don't do this, NXT doesn't become the brand it
• 1:20:40
  is because this is what got the eyes on what this is what got
• 1:20:42
  NXT. The letters out there is like
• 1:20:44
  NXT mean something. I think to an extent, but I
• 1:20:49
  think what NXT then becomes couldn't be further away from
• 1:20:52
  what this incarceration, incarceration of it is.
• 1:20:55
  But yeah, I mean, I think it definitely gives the idea that
• 1:20:57
  NXT is going to have the the future stars on it.
• 1:21:01
  That was the whole point of it. It's, you know, it's the stars
• 1:21:03
  of tomorrow a day type of thing. So yeah, there is definitely.
• 1:21:07
  No. So like this is the start of the
• 1:21:09
  evolution. So I think without this moment,
• 1:21:11
  I don't think we get the NXT show where then it's like, yeah,
• 1:21:16
  where he had to like be in your face and be legit because we
• 1:21:20
  need to like these guys have been went on the main roster and
• 1:21:23
  done swimming. So like now this sure needs to
• 1:21:28
  represent like the hunger and what these guys are doing more
• 1:21:32
  than just what an XC was, which was essentially tough enough
• 1:21:35
  with a bit. Yeah, it.
• 1:21:36
  Was wasn't it? Yeah.
• 1:21:37
  It was like it was a more it was a more kind of like game show
• 1:21:40
  you tough enough. Yeah, like less reality, more
• 1:21:43
  game show. So.
• 1:21:43
  Yeah and all. But it was I think, like I say,
• 1:21:45
  I've already enjoyed watching it at the time and that debut, like
• 1:21:48
  it is iconic. And I remember I went to raw
• 1:21:52
  tape and in Manchester when the Air Nexus were out and like the
• 1:21:56
  Nexus T-shirts were like fucking NWO Austin 316 T-shirts were
• 1:22:00
  around Manchester that day. So no matter how it ended, like
• 1:22:04
  their debut in that little kind of run that they had, like it
• 1:22:08
  was massive and it hit, it hit a fan base like people could.
• 1:22:11
  Like the I went to buy a Nexus T-shirt at the show that night
• 1:22:14
  and there was none left. Yeah, that's what you want.
• 1:22:17
  Top most has baby. Not 100% and obviously that kind
• 1:22:21
  of them coming on leads to them kind of feuding with everyone on
• 1:22:24
  the roster really because it was them versus the roster.
• 1:22:27
  But Cena in particular, these two, a big kind of multi man tag
• 1:22:32
  match at Summer Slam where obviously it's the Nexus versus
• 1:22:36
  team WWE. What's your memories of that
• 1:22:39
  match? Is this where they kidnap Brad
• 1:22:41
  Hart or Brad Hart saves the days?
• 1:22:43
  Bret Hart's in the match, Yeah. So Bret Hart was Raw GM at the
• 1:22:46
  time, which I've got no memory of.
• 1:22:48
  So yeah, Brett's part of the match, but kind of just the
• 1:22:50
  match itself, like how it went. I remember this is a big thing
• 1:22:55
  in Jarrett was book, I think where obviously like team WWE
• 1:23:01
  win and obviously it does that then maybe stop the rise of Wade
• 1:23:06
  Barrett and the Nexus. 100%, which is where like was for so
• 1:23:10
  sort of look like is the recursive for Wade Barrett
• 1:23:12
  because yeah, you're absolutely right.
• 1:23:13
  Jericho and Edge both went on the day.
• 1:23:16
  See, and the Nexus should go over that doesn't happen, but
• 1:23:19
  it's more the way it happens. So it ends up being two on one
• 1:23:22
  with Cena versus Barrett and Gabriel, which were kind of
• 1:23:26
  Gabriel was like the second in command as far as someone who
• 1:23:28
  could break out. And Cena essentially kind of,
• 1:23:31
  you know, for lack of a better term, maybe buries them, comes
• 1:23:34
  back, super Cena beats both them.
• 1:23:36
  And that's kind of the start where it's like you had this
• 1:23:38
  chance here to really kind of show this group's a team of
• 1:23:42
  killers because they've come up, they've caused havoc and then
• 1:23:44
  they've gone on against the best of the best in WE.
• 1:23:47
  And if that have won, you know, wow, for me, these we really
• 1:23:52
  need to get behind these now. But they don't.
• 1:23:53
  And that kind of kills the momentum of the Nexus as a
• 1:23:57
  group. So kind of what what's your
• 1:23:59
  thoughts? Do you think the Nexus should
• 1:24:02
  have won that much? I think at the time when I maybe
• 1:24:07
  wasn't as like clued up as like wrestling as I am now, I didn't
• 1:24:12
  really like have an opinion on it.
• 1:24:15
  I just thought it was like really cool and like the good
• 1:24:18
  guys wouldn't type of thing. So like good.
• 1:24:22
  But like, yeah, looking back and then looking like reading it and
• 1:24:25
  Jerry was Brukwells a bit like actually, yeah.
• 1:24:27
  Like if they if they win here, even if they win by cheating,
• 1:24:30
  right, That's fine. And then it it extends the
• 1:24:33
  storyline naturally and it gives these guys more legitimacy is
• 1:24:37
  like not just being big stars, but also being like like nasty
• 1:24:41
  bodies, if that makes sense. Yeah.
• 1:24:43
  And I think it kind of killed the momentum, which I think is
• 1:24:45
  the first kind of simmering of Wade and kind of the
• 1:24:48
  unluckiness. Whereas like if they had a one
• 1:24:50
  that it kind of keeps the momentum going, but it kind of
• 1:24:53
  definitely put a bit of cold water on it because he does then
• 1:24:56
  kind of continue feuding with Cena for the rest of the year.
• 1:24:59
  So he beats Cena at Hell in a Cell, obviously the shenanigans,
• 1:25:02
  but he does get a win over John Cena, which means Cena has to
• 1:25:05
  join the Nexus as kind of a slave type character then.
• 1:25:09
  Now this is the kind of first moment for me.
• 1:25:11
  So obviously he's got CNR in his corner.
• 1:25:13
  He gets to face off against WWE Champion Randy Orton for the
• 1:25:16
  title. He loses that match there.
• 1:25:19
  If you're going to have the Nexus lose at Summer Slam to
• 1:25:23
  then have him not win the WWE Title, I think that's where it's
• 1:25:26
  like, right, maybe he's the kind of people behind the scenes
• 1:25:29
  don't have full faith in him because that was the moment
• 1:25:32
  there. Because interesting enough, he
• 1:25:34
  loses that match to Orton. He gets a rematch the next
• 1:25:37
  night, loses again, only for The Miz to cash in money in the
• 1:25:40
  bank. And it's kind of, yeah, you get
• 1:25:44
  muddled now. And I think if Miz is going to
• 1:25:47
  cash in, you could have even had him win and lose straight away
• 1:25:49
  to progress the senior storyline.
• 1:25:51
  Do you know what I mean? Like even though it would have
• 1:25:53
  been, you know, a one minute title reign, I'm surprised that
• 1:25:56
  least didn't give him that. Like, what do you think?
• 1:25:58
  Do you think you should have won the title there, or was it the
• 1:26:00
  right thing not to? I think it seems like they're
• 1:26:03
  not all in. So if they if you have, if you
• 1:26:06
  haven't beat Cena, Hell in a cell and then CNA becomes like
• 1:26:09
  the slave of the group, you need to like extend that right to
• 1:26:11
  make it mean something. So like you probably have seen
• 1:26:15
  her be involved in him winning the title for Moreton like
• 1:26:17
  reluctantly. That's yeah, 100.
• 1:26:19
  Percent it breeds the hero between them more and then you
• 1:26:21
  finally have seen her overcome it down the line.
• 1:26:23
  But what they do here and what they do and RAW, they just sort
• 1:26:26
  of kill that storyline dead next week, no. 100% and then
• 1:26:30
  obviously after that we're like, you know, you've now got Mrs.
• 1:26:32
  the champion, Orton kind of chasing him back.
• 1:26:35
  You have one final match with Cena at TLC.
• 1:26:38
  It's a chair match. Can you remember kind of why
• 1:26:41
  this match is memorable? I cannot know.
• 1:26:44
  So at the end of the chair match, Cena literally buries
• 1:26:49
  Wade Barrett. So you've got loads of chairs
• 1:26:51
  hanging up is part of like the set and Cena hits a chain
• 1:26:55
  reaction after he's beaten Barrett and just buries him
• 1:26:58
  under a pile of chairs. And that's that's the end of
• 1:27:01
  that pay-per-view. Barrett literally get him
• 1:27:04
  buried. Was that a little he he at the
• 1:27:07
  Internet fans or anything or? I feel like it must have been
• 1:27:10
  because I think like, you know, like I love John Cena and but I
• 1:27:14
  think if you're going to ever accuse him of having a peek of
• 1:27:16
  Super Cena, I think this will be it.
• 1:27:19
  Where in like, yeah, I think he's Super Cena.
• 1:27:22
  He's faced this guy, this open Comer, but now, like, he's no
• 1:27:26
  match for me. And I've literally just buried
• 1:27:27
  him at the end of the year. You've got to remember that.
• 1:27:30
  Like this has been something I'm sure I thought John Cena short.
• 1:27:33
  Oh yeah, A. 100% what about Johnson was doing?
• 1:27:35
  Is what he's been told. I like Cena.
• 1:27:36
  It's not a criticism against him as such.
• 1:27:38
  It's just yeah, so. Powers that be, powers that be,
• 1:27:43
  obviously I wanted to show we're in a certain light and that's
• 1:27:46
  what they're doing. 100% and I think that's kind of eight where
• 1:27:49
  it's like he's had that, you know, I think it's about May
• 1:27:52
  time. So you know, he's had an 8 month
• 1:27:53
  runway. You know, he's been in there
• 1:27:55
  with CNA, he's been in there with Orton, you know, Edge,
• 1:27:58
  Sheamus, all them were kind of involved in all this.
• 1:28:00
  He's been in there with the top guys of that time.
• 1:28:03
  And then yeah, like this is the end of that run.
• 1:28:05
  So he's then kind of off TV for a bit.
• 1:28:07
  When he comes back. Punk's taking over the Nexus.
• 1:28:09
  So I think it's probably a bit of a weird time and Punk's
• 1:28:12
  career as well. He ends up getting kicked out to
• 1:28:14
  the Nexus by Punk with Punk, throws him off the top of a
• 1:28:17
  cage, and then he resurfaces on Smackdown where he just reforms
• 1:28:22
  like a really shit version of the Nexus.
• 1:28:24
  Can you remember what that was the?
• 1:28:26
  Core. The core, which had his later
• 1:28:28
  Aaron Gabriel in and Ezekiel Jackson, the last ever ECW
• 1:28:32
  champion. So kind of big Zeke.
• 1:28:35
  And at that point he's kind of, you know, he's not in the main
• 1:28:37
  event anymore, but he does win his first IC championship.
• 1:28:42
  He has a long feud with Jax Ezekiel Jackson over it, which
• 1:28:45
  is kind of also the breakdown of the core drops the belt to
• 1:28:48
  Ezekiel Jackson. Next kind of big moment for him
• 1:28:51
  is he's in money in the bank. So According to him, and this is
• 1:28:55
  from like an inside the ropes tour up until that day, he was
• 1:28:59
  scheduled to win that money in the bank, but the changed it to
• 1:29:02
  Brian on the day. So how do you think it would
• 1:29:06
  have differed if he had been given the bank then the money in
• 1:29:09
  the bank briefcase? I think it would have been like,
• 1:29:12
  look, we've had you up and down, we've put you through some big
• 1:29:16
  moments, then we've took them away and like, right, we're
• 1:29:19
  going to give you the briefcase now and that's all shown all
• 1:29:21
  full faith in you going forward. But then obviously they've
• 1:29:24
  changed their mind, which says that again, they're probably
• 1:29:26
  still not too sure on him. You know, even though he's 6
• 1:29:29
  foot seven £250, you know, he's he's a good, he's a good size
• 1:29:34
  and shape to be a wrestler. There's something that they've
• 1:29:37
  not quite seen in him as getting more with the people, maybe, I
• 1:29:41
  don't know. And then just after that, he
• 1:29:44
  then gets injured again, so he dislocates his elbow and he ends
• 1:29:47
  up being gone for five months. So again, you've had this kind
• 1:29:50
  of stop, start, stop, start. Now he's gone, legitimate
• 1:29:52
  injury. When he comes back, they've kind
• 1:29:55
  of slightly repackaged him because he's on his own and
• 1:29:57
  they're kind of leaning into the bare knuckle.
• 1:29:59
  There's a couple of kind of return vignettes of him kind of
• 1:30:02
  talking about the bare knuckle past and how he's going to come
• 1:30:04
  back more driven. He does come back when second
• 1:30:07
  icy title. So you know, it's not like kind
• 1:30:09
  of totally giving up on him, but that icy title range very
• 1:30:13
  blackluster. It ends up being the pre show of
• 1:30:16
  WrestleMania 29 where he loses the belt to miss on the pre
• 1:30:20
  show. He wins it back the next night
• 1:30:22
  on Raw. So it kind of flip flopping of
• 1:30:23
  the title. Maybe he's for that pop because
• 1:30:26
  it was at a time as well where amazed with the push from his
• 1:30:28
  face and the kind of hard Ric Flair with him because Barrett
• 1:30:30
  taps out to the the Figure 4, which like I love the Miz, but
• 1:30:34
  he's never he's never looked good putting the Figure 4 on.
• 1:30:37
  So again, so at this point, you know, as one of us, he's a three
• 1:30:39
  time IC champion, loses it to Curtis Axel.
• 1:30:43
  He then has visa issues where the quite quite complicated.
• 1:30:48
  So he's gone for again, a couple of months shoot with these visa
• 1:30:51
  issues. So again, it's another stop,
• 1:30:52
  it's another start. This time, though, he comes back
• 1:30:55
  as bad News Bearish. What was your two kind of
• 1:30:58
  memories of Bad News Barrett? I remember it definitely been
• 1:31:01
  over in the UK. So I remember like how shows and
• 1:31:04
  like us going to them, you know, shouting like bad news Barrett
• 1:31:07
  remember being big on social media.
• 1:31:09
  Twitter at the time was obviously taking off like it was
• 1:31:12
  big in the UK. Whether it was big in America, I
• 1:31:14
  don't know if I remember being being huge in all little pocket
• 1:31:17
  of wrestling existence. Yeah, well, it kind of stemmed
• 1:31:21
  from the JBL and Cool show apparently a little short lived
• 1:31:23
  online series. And I think it was over because
• 1:31:26
  he comes back as bad and his Barrett, he big yeah beats
• 1:31:29
  Biggie for his 45-C championship.
• 1:31:31
  So I can't ever remember him having this many IC titles.
• 1:31:33
  So you know he's back. Another kind of gimmick change.
• 1:31:36
  He's on his own four time champion, but then again
• 1:31:39
  separates his shoulder, vacates the title.
• 1:31:41
  So it's another kind of non start.
• 1:31:43
  Always come back. He's got this gimmick.
• 1:31:45
  I think it was over everywhere to be fair.
• 1:31:47
  But he separates his shoulder and he's gone for another five
• 1:31:49
  months. He comes back again, he's back
• 1:31:52
  in the IC title scene. He builds.
• 1:31:53
  He beats Dolph Ziggler for his fifth IC championship.
• 1:31:57
  Again, pretty lackluster. Nothing to write home about.
• 1:32:00
  So then it's kind of back to the drawing board.
• 1:32:02
  He then rins King of the Ring again.
• 1:32:06
  What are your memories of Barrett as King Barrett?
• 1:32:10
  I think at this point I'm robbing a bit checked out by
• 1:32:12
  him. Like I remember us feeling like,
• 1:32:15
  like he's been so close and like being taken away that many times
• 1:32:18
  that like, this isn't going to materialize into anything I
• 1:32:21
  remember. I think like not being too
• 1:32:23
  bothered by it. No, I think you're right.
• 1:32:25
  And it was at that time where it didn't get your world title shot
• 1:32:28
  and the very much leaned into the old Hawkey King Barrett
• 1:32:31
  where he had the DAF crown, he had the Cape.
• 1:32:34
  Obviously he's British. So it's kind of the lean into
• 1:32:37
  the more comedy side of that and the monarchy.
• 1:32:39
  So yeah, it was like not the kind of career revival it would
• 1:32:43
  have been for him, like it had been kind of for other people.
• 1:32:46
  You know, King Buca did it very well.
• 1:32:47
  Obviously it started careers for like Edge and things like that
• 1:32:50
  as a singles competitor. So yeah, it does absolutely
• 1:32:52
  nothing for him. He then as King Barrett from the
• 1:32:55
  short lived tag team called the Lords of Darkness.
• 1:32:58
  Can you remember that? Because I can remember the match
• 1:33:00
  at least 2 but I couldn't remember the tag team name.
• 1:33:03
  Is that where there Cody Rhodes AKA Star Rust?
• 1:33:06
  It certainly is and they have a kind of, again, a high profile
• 1:33:09
  match on the Summer Slam card as they team up to take on Neville
• 1:33:12
  and Stephen Amell. So there, he's in there with the
• 1:33:14
  kind of celebrity game. That's Neville as impact the
• 1:33:16
  bastard. As impact the bastard, yeah, our
• 1:33:19
  our NE favorite. So again, he's had that.
• 1:33:23
  So you know, he's not he's not getting like not used, but he's
• 1:33:27
  kind of it's a big step down, isn't it, from kind of being in
• 1:33:31
  there with seeing, being in there with all and being in kind
• 1:33:33
  of considered, you know, up until the day for Money in the
• 1:33:36
  Bank. He's now kind of wrestling in
• 1:33:39
  the celebrity spot. Like what's what's your opinion
• 1:33:41
  of people who kind of get put in that spot with the celebrities?
• 1:33:47
  It's in, it's needed for the show, right?
• 1:33:49
  And it's a big variety show like to become the world champion and
• 1:33:52
  do that like only so few can do it.
• 1:33:55
  But that's not the Bo and end all.
• 1:33:57
  So like the fact you've said, no, he's a five time
• 1:33:59
  intercontinental champion. You know, he's still on
• 1:34:02
  television. He's getting moments, he's
• 1:34:03
  working celebrities. Stephen and I was a big deal at
• 1:34:06
  the time. Arrowverse was a big deal.
• 1:34:08
  Like he's obviously trusted to work with these people and do
• 1:34:11
  these things and then all they're going to get a certain
• 1:34:13
  thing. It's just a case of the probably
• 1:34:16
  don't see him as like the big thing, but he's a case of you
• 1:34:20
  can do these sort of things throughout the show.
• 1:34:21
  That's what we need to sort of put on, put on a show, if that
• 1:34:24
  makes sense. No, 100%, yeah.
• 1:34:26
  And like I say, it's like you get you obviously a safe pair of
• 1:34:29
  hands on you because they're not going to put you in there with
• 1:34:31
  kind of, you know, a Hollywood celebrity if you're dangerous.
• 1:34:35
  And so I think, you know, there's still faith there.
• 1:34:37
  It's just like, are you going to be happy in that kind of middle
• 1:34:39
  of the card spot, isn't it? Because then kind of after that,
• 1:34:42
  the kind of King Barrett still fizzles out.
• 1:34:44
  And then, in his own words, he then kind of joins the worst
• 1:34:48
  stable in the history of wrestling, the League of
• 1:34:50
  Nations. Yes, I remember this.
• 1:34:53
  Yeah. So, you know, League of Nations
• 1:34:55
  was Rousseff, Del Rio, Barrett in the were kind of there to
• 1:35:00
  prop Sheamus up. So it was when Sheamus won Money
• 1:35:02
  in the Bank and was feuding with Reigns.
• 1:35:05
  So it's kind of a brief little flirt back in the main event.
• 1:35:08
  But at this point he's, you know, he's Sheamus's kind of
• 1:35:10
  muscle to help feign off kind of Superman Reigns again once
• 1:35:14
  Seamus is out the world title picture, all of them are kind of
• 1:35:17
  just not really doing anything. The momentum's gone.
• 1:35:21
  They have a match with the New Day at WrestleMania, the lose,
• 1:35:24
  the three legends come out with Foley, Austin and Shawn
• 1:35:28
  Michaels. They get finishes from all of
• 1:35:30
  them. And then the next week he's
• 1:35:33
  granted an early release after he's turned down a contract
• 1:35:36
  renewal back in August because he's burnt out.
• 1:35:39
  And that is the end of his in ring career anywhere.
• 1:35:43
  He's never wrestled since. So what are your thoughts then?
• 1:35:47
  Is has is he cursed by the wrestling gods?
• 1:35:49
  Where does Wade Barrett's wrestling career sit with you
• 1:35:52
  after kind of that brief recap of it?
• 1:35:56
  I think I think if you just look it on paper and you'll see like
• 1:36:00
  a five time intercontinental champion, king of the ring
• 1:36:02
  winner, whenever he gets injured, he comes back and gets
• 1:36:07
  something to do, gets the work with legends, you know, we say
• 1:36:11
  maybe not cursed, but when you look at the potential and how
• 1:36:14
  hot it was certainly going into that sort of Survivor Series and
• 1:36:18
  then working with Cena, like maybe is cursed because he maybe
• 1:36:22
  should have been a world champion.
• 1:36:23
  And then if he becomes world champion, does he stay in that
• 1:36:25
  pitcher for a bit? You know, maybe not as like
• 1:36:28
  loads of title reigns, but when you need to heal and you need
• 1:36:31
  the babyface to chase somebody, is he a good person to have as
• 1:36:34
  the champion? And he could have been that I
• 1:36:36
  think had the stars aligned a bit differently.
• 1:36:39
  So I think in terms of like being in the world title pitcher
• 1:36:42
  and making that type of heel cursed.
• 1:36:44
  But I think as a career, probably certainly not to be
• 1:36:47
  sniffed at. Like you said, a five time
• 1:36:49
  intercontinental champion. And like we're talking about
• 1:36:53
  them right now, I think, which is important.
• 1:36:55
  And like I said, but I said 6 foot seven, 250 lbs, so much
• 1:36:59
  potential could talk, had the psychology look good in the
• 1:37:03
  ring, like yeah, probably should have been a heel world champion
• 1:37:07
  a few times. I have that baby face chasing
• 1:37:09
  and beat him but that never happened sadly.
• 1:37:12
  No, 100% I think curse definitely not excite.
• 1:37:15
  You say it's career not to be sniffed out.
• 1:37:17
  I think it's just more wasted way a wasted opportunity.
• 1:37:20
  And I think the moments for me that kind of stem down to it is
• 1:37:23
  I think he absolutely should have be Orton for the title,
• 1:37:26
  even if it was them for a quick cash in on miss.
• 1:37:28
  But I think they should have could have at least give him a
• 1:37:30
  little bit of time as WE championship because you've
• 1:37:32
  invested a lot of that year in it and you've really tried to
• 1:37:35
  make a statement with them. I think not getting money in the
• 1:37:38
  bank, if what he says is true, if it was up until the day,
• 1:37:40
  because it was back when money in the bank were all guaranteed
• 1:37:43
  winners. So I mean, he could have been
• 1:37:45
  the first one to not cash in successfully, but the odd say
• 1:37:48
  wouldn't have been. So I think that's kind of that
• 1:37:50
  big kind of sliding doors moment, not getting that.
• 1:37:53
  And then I think it's the injury when the bad news Barrett
• 1:37:55
  stuff's taken off because he never worked as a face.
• 1:37:59
  And I think it was getting that over that he was going into that
• 1:38:02
  territory. So it would have been
• 1:38:03
  interesting to see if that had have led to a face turn or where
• 1:38:08
  that how, how how if that has if they had a glass ceiling is a
• 1:38:12
  gimmick. So for me, I think the three
• 1:38:14
  moments where it's not cursed, but it's kind of, you know,
• 1:38:17
  missed opportunities, bad time and sliding doors would be not
• 1:38:20
  when the WE title, not winning money in the bank and then
• 1:38:23
  getting that injury that takes them off telly for five months
• 1:38:26
  when bad News Barrett is hugely over.
• 1:38:31
  Yeah, I definitely agree with all that.
• 1:38:33
  And then like I say, but like I said, nothing, we sniffed that.
• 1:38:35
  And if we go back to the start, when I say when he got an injury
• 1:38:38
  in FCW, we ended up doing commentary with Dusty Rhodes.
• 1:38:41
  We take that full circle now. And he's like one of the main
• 1:38:43
  commentators on WWE. So he's had he's had a great
• 1:38:46
  career. Do you know what I mean?
• 1:38:47
  Like, it's a lot better than a lot of people.
• 1:38:50
  And he's got to be in there with some absolute legends of the
• 1:38:53
  industry. But yeah, so I think cursed
• 1:38:55
  isn't the right answer for this one.
• 1:38:57
  But I think there's definitely missed opportunity and bad luck.
• 1:39:00
  So yeah, bad luck for bad news, Barrett. 100% agree with that.
• 1:39:05
  Definitely not. Take us into our last segment
• 1:39:08
  and it is the pro wrestling feel good fact of the week.
• 1:39:13
  Yeah, so the kind of because we're going to say fact stories,
• 1:39:15
  it was kind of leading off when, you know, I was reading about
• 1:39:17
  and doing commentary with Dusty Rhodes and being in FCW.
• 1:39:20
  Kind of I think kind of the thing we want to end on this
• 1:39:22
  week was just talking about how cool it was that Dusty kind of
• 1:39:26
  got his final moment in the spotlight before he died.
• 1:39:29
  Kind of being that head coach on an XT where loads of guys like,
• 1:39:34
  you know, Bailey, you know, Bank Barrett puts himself in this.
• 1:39:37
  Corey Graves kind of referenced themselves as one of Dusty's
• 1:39:41
  kids. And I think it's a really nice
• 1:39:42
  moment because we know from kind of Cody finishing his story, you
• 1:39:46
  know, he's talking about Dusty losing all of his money, having
• 1:39:48
  to pawn his watches. I think there was some kind of
• 1:39:51
  people on the fence with him with regards to his booking in
• 1:39:53
  WCW and you might people who if you only watch, WE might only
• 1:39:58
  know him as the polka dot man. So I think it was really cool
• 1:40:01
  for him to be able to come back at the, you know, the back end,
• 1:40:04
  not just career, his life, you know, he died in the job
• 1:40:06
  essentially and have that moment where he kind of proved himself
• 1:40:10
  again, not that he had to that he did have a really great
• 1:40:13
  creative mind. And his kind of touch is still
• 1:40:15
  being felt now from, you know, the superstars that are on telly
• 1:40:19
  today. Yeah, and I think, you know, I
• 1:40:22
  think before he comes to NXT, he's a victim of the winner of
• 1:40:26
  the ball gets to tell the history.
• 1:40:28
  So obviously, because WE wins the wrestling war, you know, WCW
• 1:40:35
  is no more. Vince buys what's left, the
• 1:40:39
  video libraries and, you know, the names and the rings.
• 1:40:42
  But it's pretty much dead, right?
• 1:40:44
  Even the invasion angle is like crap, right?
• 1:40:45
  It's not something real. So obviously all of Dusty's
• 1:40:50
  accomplishments in sort of in booking, in storytelling, you
• 1:40:53
  know, in that company for decades, even before it was
• 1:40:57
  known as WCW, right? Like I sort of never mentioned
• 1:41:01
  and don't get the light of day because he's on the wrong side
• 1:41:04
  of the rest of them all. But then him coming to NXT and
• 1:41:07
  telling stories there allows them to shed light on just how
• 1:41:10
  good he is. And yes, I think 100% right that
• 1:41:13
  without that run, again, it would only be people who deep
• 1:41:17
  dive into wrestling history would know about Dusty's
• 1:41:20
  accomplishments. But because he was such a big
• 1:41:23
  part of NXT getting off the ground and obviously a big part
• 1:41:27
  in these superstars getting over, you know, the likes of
• 1:41:29
  Seth Rollins, Roman Reigns, John Moxley, you know, Wade Barrett,
• 1:41:35
  these guys. Because he was a big part of the
• 1:41:38
  names as well. So I know for a fact Sami Zayn
• 1:41:40
  definitely came from Dusty Rose. Dean Ambrose definitely came
• 1:41:43
  from Dusty Rose as in the name. So yeah, like even though things
• 1:41:46
  like that, you know, I mean, like Sami Zayn still Sami Zayn
• 1:41:48
  on WBTV now. And that was a name that Dusty
• 1:41:50
  gave him. Yeah, so and then that because
• 1:41:53
  he's done that work, then people can so easily go back to what he
• 1:41:57
  did in the past as well. Like you said, I think without
• 1:42:00
  that maybe would just be known as the pop without man for those
• 1:42:02
  who don't want to dive too deep into the animals of history.
• 1:42:06
  So it is a really good feel about that.
• 1:42:07
  He got to give back the business in such a way where all those
• 1:42:10
  people are top stars right now, which is fantastic, but also a
• 1:42:14
  good way where we're talking about him.
• 1:42:17
  It allows to talk about his history before that as well, in
• 1:42:20
  such a good way. Yeah, finish on that will give a
• 1:42:22
  kind of recommendation of people that there's a really good book
• 1:42:25
  by John Robinson called NXT, the Future is Now.
• 1:42:28
  And it's literally about the creation of NXT as a development
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  brand and obviously Dusty sprinkled all over that.
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  And it's actually a really fucking good read.
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  Actually, it's a title book where because of the TKO
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  Takeover. Now, I don't think that still
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  may because there's actually quite a lot of behind the scenes
• 1:42:44
  stuff in it. So anyone's never heard of it or
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  never read it or thinking about doing it.
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  I couldn't recommend that more. So that's the NXT kind of book
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  by John Robinson. Check that out guys.
• 1:42:54
  Print media is not dead. Pick that book up wherever you
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  can. Luke, I think that brings an end
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  to our premature episode of Singleton Suplexes.
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  And we've talked a lot of night. We've talked a lot.
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  We need a bump episode. We're running at nearly one hour
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  45 minutes. Possibly so.
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  Thanks for staying with us to the end if you have.
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  Yes, indeed. Thank you very much.
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  Any last thoughts, Luke? Just that I'm excited for
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  Chamber. I'm, I'm glad you're going to
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  have your mind put at ease one way or another with the create
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  because we will. But the next time we record
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  this, we'll know what's in the create anybody.
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  But I feel that we're going to end up doing 2 hours just on the
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  create. I'll try and rein them in.
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  I'll try and rein in if it goes on too long the create talk.
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  Anybody who's watching Elimination Chamber when they
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  create comes on, just imagine me, but I'm actually Brad Pitt
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  from 7 and I'm going what's in the box?
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  What's in the box? That's exactly what, yeah.
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  And again, just I'm loving people getting in touch, get
• 1:43:54
  back in touch, like I say. A question asked was if who's
• 1:43:57
  kind of currently wrestling or not wrestling, but who do you
• 1:44:00
  think could end up behind a commentary box like where
• 1:44:03
  Barrett has and think they'd be good at it and why, and anything
• 1:44:06
  else you want to get in touch with.
• 1:44:07
  That's the way we grow this. Indeed.
• 1:44:09
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• 1:44:12
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• 1:44:20
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  We'll talk about that on Housekeeping next week.
• 1:44:30
  And also you can comment on Spotify as well in the episode.
• 1:44:32
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• 1:44:34
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• 1:44:44
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• 1:44:47
  So, yeah, at SAS Wrestling Pod, there'll be a post.
• 1:44:50
  Now we can comment your views and we'll bring those up on
• 1:44:52
  Housekeeping. Luke, thank you very much for
• 1:44:55
  joining me today. Thank you, pleasure as ever.
• 1:44:58
  Listeners, thank you very much for listening and remember it's
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  still real to us, damn it. Damn it.