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Dynasty Sports Life Ep 216 Detroit Sonics, four sport champs · Dynasty Sports Life

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Speaker 1: The In This League Podcast Network.
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Speaker 2: This is Dynasty Sports Life, a podcast about playing fantasy baseball, basketball, football,
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Speaker 2: and hockey.
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Speaker 1: 365 days a year.
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Speaker 3: Here's your host, Jesse Sevier. Welcome to the Dynasty Sports Life.
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Speaker 3: Jesse Sevier here with you to talk to you about
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Speaker 3: the wonderful world of Dynasty Fantasy Sports. Today, man, where
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Speaker 3: are we at in the dynasty sports landscape? Football has started.
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Speaker 3: It is rolling along. It should be through week three
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Speaker 3: as you listen to this. Hockey, you should be on
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Speaker 3: opening night. This episode will actually drop on opening night
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Speaker 3: of the NHL season, and I think NBA is under
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Speaker 3: two weeks away at this point, or about two weeks
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Speaker 3: a day. The NBA season is going to start off
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Speaker 3: in the middle of the afternoon this year, by the way,
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Speaker 3: which is bizarre but hilarious. And then we've got baseball,
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Speaker 3: which just wrapped up. Congratulations on your championship. Consolation on
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Speaker 3: your non-championships. And I hope your dynasty teams are all
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Speaker 3: geared and ready for the year to come. And today
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Speaker 3: we're going to talk about the Four Sport League. Our
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Speaker 3: league happens to end after the baseball season. So today
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Speaker 3: we're going to celebrate our newest champion in the Four
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Speaker 3: Sport League, and we've got both of them on. It's
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Speaker 3: a two-man team. It's the Detroit Sonics because one guy
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Speaker 3: is from Detroit and the other guy is from Seattle
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Speaker 3: and ready to bring back the Sonics.
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Speaker 1: Who knows?
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Speaker 3: That could be happening soon. And so we've got Tony Robinson,
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Speaker 3: we've got Danny Cumming coming on today to talk about
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Speaker 3: their Four Sport Championships. I'm extremely pleased to have on
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Speaker 3: this week the guys who together just won the four-sport
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Speaker 3: diesel championship. It is Danny Cumming and Tony Robinson. How
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Speaker 3: are you doing today, boys?
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Speaker 2: Great. Doing really good. It's good to talk to you.
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Speaker 2: All right.
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Speaker 3: Let's go through it a little bit. I'll introduce each
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Speaker 3: of you to the audience because I know I've interacted
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Speaker 3: with both of you for years in different contexts and
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Speaker 3: just really pleased. You guys... have a lot to teach
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Speaker 3: us about both how you did what you did and
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Speaker 3: then the blind date type partnership that started this thing
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Speaker 3: that you guys have been very successful with. Danny, why
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Speaker 3: don't I start.
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Speaker 2: With you, man?
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Speaker 3: Tell people how you came about deciding you wanted to
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Speaker 3: be in a four sport league and a little bit
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Speaker 3: of your background there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I probably 10 years ago, I started getting into
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Speaker 2: dynasty or keeper leagues. And from there I, always had
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Speaker 2: a thought or dream dream is the right word about
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Speaker 2: doing a multi-sport league and talking about it with friends
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Speaker 2: for years and heard about your league through in this
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Speaker 2: league podcast, probably through the years. And then when you
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Speaker 2: were talking about starting up the diesel, I was like,
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Speaker 2: Oh man, I, this sounds amazing. I have to put
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Speaker 2: in my resume. I think, I think I sent you
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Speaker 2: probably two or three pages on my resume at the time,
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Speaker 2: but yeah, I've, Love fantasy, love dynasty. I've been doing
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Speaker 2: it for decades now. And the opportunity to do something
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Speaker 2: like this, I thought, was once in a lifetime, frankly.
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Speaker 2: And I was really excited to be a part of it. Yeah, man.
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Speaker 3: No, we really appreciate it. You plugged right in. And
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Speaker 3: you guys have really kicked butt there, Danny. So how
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Speaker 3: about you, Tony? I know you came to us. Danny
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Speaker 3: kind of came, it sounds, maybe through the in-this-league side
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Speaker 3: of things. You were a Fantasy Hockey Life guy. You
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Speaker 3: were our lead scout for Fantasy Hockey Life. We plug
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Speaker 3: your name at the end of every show. Tell people
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Speaker 3: how you came about doing all this stuff.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the same thing. I've been doing a lot of
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Speaker 1: fantasy sports around for years. My friends and I in
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Speaker 1: high school used to do it on paper and pencil
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Speaker 1: and look at the newspaper the day after the games
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Speaker 1: and get the stats and stuff. So I've been doing
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Speaker 1: it a long time. And I had to do a
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Speaker 1: four-sport league. It was pretty intriguing. Yeah, and hockey is
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Speaker 1: my big one. I liked it. And I hadn't done
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Speaker 1: basketball in a couple years, but I had, you know,
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Speaker 1: dabbled in it. So, yeah, I just figured I'd give
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Speaker 1: it a shot. And thanks to you put us together.
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Speaker 1: So any blame goes to Jesse for matching us up. And, yeah, no,
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Speaker 1: Danny's been really good to work with. So it's great.
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Speaker 3: One of the things that I always hear from people
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Speaker 3: who play I talk to about it. I won't say
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Speaker 3: necessarily recruit, but people I talk to about this are like, yeah,
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Speaker 3: I'd be great at this sport. I'd be great at
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Speaker 3: baseball and football, but man, I don't know anything about
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Speaker 3: basketball or I could probably do the basketball, but man,
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Speaker 3: I don't know anything about hockey. Then of course, from
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Speaker 3: the hockey side, I get the opposite. The hot guys
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Speaker 3: are ready to roll, but like who's following American football, man?
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Speaker 3: I got things to do with Twitter. So it's a
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Speaker 3: matter of sometimes having this, the partnership, like I kind
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Speaker 3: of teased, It was a blind date. I know, Danny,
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Speaker 3: you came in, and I think if I recall correctly,
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Speaker 3: you said, you're not quite sure about the hockey. I said,
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Speaker 3: I got just the guy for you. But how did
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Speaker 3: you approach that knowing, maybe we'll start with Danny again,
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Speaker 3: how you were going to be able to work with somebody,
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Speaker 3: how you felt comfortable about four sports going this far
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Speaker 3: into it?
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Speaker 2: What do you think? I was pretty nervous about the
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Speaker 2: idea of hockey. I live in Seattle, and so I've
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Speaker 2: watched hockey from afar until the Kraken came into existence
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Speaker 2: a handful of years ago now. So at the time
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Speaker 2: I was following it, I wanted to get into fantasy
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Speaker 2: because that's how I enjoy sports. But I knew that
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Speaker 2: I wasn't going to be strong in hockey. I knew
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Speaker 2: I would put in the work to get there eventually.
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Speaker 2: But when you said you've got a guy that's in
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Speaker 2: Tony that knows hockey really well, I was like, well,
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Speaker 2: that's exactly what I would need to do. round out
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Speaker 2: my significant gap, frankly, in hockey compared to the other sports.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really good. And it sounds like you might've
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Speaker 3: been able, or you probably would have been able to
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Speaker 3: do it yourself. A lot of people, the thing I
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Speaker 3: always feared as a commissioner is you bring somebody in
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Speaker 3: who kind of, they're like, wow, yeah, I can do basketball.
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Speaker 3: I've got experience with people who just are, I can
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Speaker 3: do X sport. And then you find out, okay, you're,
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Speaker 3: you're three and 15 every year because, and you're not
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Speaker 3: really doing much, but set your lineup and that life
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Speaker 3: could be better than this. But anyway, over to Tony,
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Speaker 3: same concept here, man. What did you think about getting
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Speaker 3: into this multi-sport league and how you felt about all
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Speaker 3: these different sports?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the same thing. Danny and I did have a
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Speaker 1: Zoom together just to feel things out, which went really well, obviously.
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Speaker 1: And then, yeah, so we just went from there and
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Speaker 1: We just talk to each other all the time and
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Speaker 1: we try not to, one of us overstep the other one,
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Speaker 1: even if it's in the sport that we think we're
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Speaker 1: weak at or we're strong at or whatever like that.
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Speaker 1: And so, yeah, I try to make sure that I
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Speaker 1: communicate with him. And I know to the chagrin of
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Speaker 1: probably a lot of the other people in the league
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Speaker 1: that run the teams themselves, they're like, hey, how about
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Speaker 1: this trade? I'm like, I have to talk to my
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Speaker 1: co-manager or co-GM and make sure that we buy off
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Speaker 1: on this because it's not a one-person team. which in
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Speaker 1: some cases may be advantageous in that situation, but other
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Speaker 1: ways it's not because you may rush into something. So
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Speaker 1: it's really good to have someone to talk stuff over
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Speaker 1: with in that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.
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Speaker 3: You guys, I've got some of your trades written down.
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Speaker 3: We can talk about some of those a little bit later,
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Speaker 3: but you guys aren't afraid to make multi-sport trades. Some people,
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Speaker 3: if you approach them about a baseball player, they only
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Speaker 3: want to hear about baseball coming back. They don't want
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Speaker 3: to get into multi-sport. You guys have been less worried
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Speaker 3: about that. I do kind of gather... Both of you
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Speaker 3: know all the sports. You just maybe feel different levels
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Speaker 3: of comfort toward different sports just from the years you've
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Speaker 3: spent with them. But, yeah, how do those conversations go
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Speaker 3: with you guys? How do you get together? What are
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Speaker 3: those chats like with you guys?
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Speaker 2: That's funny. Tony, I don't even remember. Did we do
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Speaker 2: a Zoom at the very beginning when we first met?
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: He suggested it. We did a Zoom.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: And we're like, yeah, let's give this a shot.
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Speaker 2: But I remember right from– the first chats and when
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Speaker 2: we started working together we i felt like tony's a
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Speaker 2: really cool dude and i just said let's communicate over
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Speaker 2: communicate things and we'll kind of figure it out and
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Speaker 2: goodness that draft that lasted two months or whatever it
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Speaker 2: was was a really good way to learn how to
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Speaker 2: work together and and yeah we just chat how that
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Speaker 2: usually works we chat in discord and And so if
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Speaker 2: we're making a pick, each of us would say, Hey,
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Speaker 2: I'm looking at this or this and this position or
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Speaker 2: this team, or these are the guys I like. I
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Speaker 2: think we set up a shared Google sheet that we
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Speaker 2: were working on with each of the four sports, a
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Speaker 2: different tab in each one. And we would highlight the
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Speaker 2: guys that we each liked. And so as we're updating
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Speaker 2: the board together, which frankly was really helpful to have
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Speaker 2: two people tackling that instead of one, we, I don't know,
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Speaker 2: it clicked really easily. Tony's a really easy guy to
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Speaker 2: work with and, yeah it was obviously successful here and
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Speaker 2: year what three or four or whatever we just won
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Speaker 2: but yeah from the beginning it was so easy to
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Speaker 2: work together and it was all largely done just by
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Speaker 2: chatting in the discord together how about you what's.
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Speaker 1: Your yeah i would say the same thing yeah it's
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Speaker 1: good to be able to do stuff and especially the
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Speaker 1: sports themselves with the leagues i think the players that
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Speaker 1: are in league it's the prospects that was probably the
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Speaker 1: The most talking we did, especially again for me with basketball,
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Speaker 1: I barely watch any basketball except for Michigan or Michigan
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Speaker 1: State College. And I see it and stuff like that
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Speaker 1: because I'm online all the time. But yeah, so stuff
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Speaker 1: like that, I don't really know much about the prospects.
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Speaker 1: Danny really has that honed in and stuff like that.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, that's what we did. We just talked about
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Speaker 1: everything and kept going back and forth and The other
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Speaker 1: thing is in case for some reason one of us
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Speaker 1: wasn't available, that's also really helpful that we talked a
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Speaker 1: little bit ahead of time so people weren't waiting for
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Speaker 1: a draft or response on the trade or something like that.
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Speaker 2: So yeah. Yeah, really.
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Speaker 3: It's been amazing. The people, I don't, I'm trying to think,
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Speaker 3: I don't know if there's been a single group team
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Speaker 3: who started with this league who has dropped out. I
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Speaker 3: know there've been individuals who've left, but you guys just
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Speaker 3: started out as groups and luckily things seem to have
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Speaker 3: clicked between all the groups that.
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Speaker 2: Have been there.
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Speaker 3: You guys have been very effective. MGM, Marcus is on
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Speaker 3: here frequently. He's part of a three-man team. The two
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Speaker 3: of you have been extremely solid. So, yeah, I can
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Speaker 3: see that.
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Speaker 2: That's great.
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Speaker 3: You've got the Google Doc going behind the scenes. And
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Speaker 3: you're right, that first two-month draft, personally, it's a light
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Speaker 3: peak event to me, but it's also extremely grueling.
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Speaker 2: I feel the same. I still talk about it, and people,
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Speaker 2: friends that don't do Dynasty or they do one draft
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Speaker 2: a year, you explain, yeah, we were drafting for two months,
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Speaker 2: and people just go, how in the world don't you
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Speaker 2: have a, you've got a family, you've got a job,
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Speaker 2: how does that work? We fit it in.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, same thing. But when we did it, I was
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Speaker 1: on vacation up north with our families and stuff like that,
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Speaker 1: and I'm inside and everybody else is out at the
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Speaker 1: beach trying to get in the water and stuff. They're like,
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Speaker 1: what are you doing? I'm like, you're still drafting? I'm like, yes. Yes,
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Speaker 1: I'm still drafting. I still mention Four Sport League and
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Speaker 1: hardly anybody talks about it. No one else is like, what?
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Speaker 1: You do all four sports. It's a unicorn, I think.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: There's a couple people who come in who are part
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Speaker 3: of other Four Sport Leagues. There is something going on
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Speaker 3: out there. I don't know if any of the people
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Speaker 3: from Four sport leagues that I have no knowledge of
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Speaker 3: are listening to this somehow. But if you are, you
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Speaker 3: are people. We love you. Yeah, no. So when you
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Speaker 3: guys get something like a trade offer, how do you
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Speaker 3: process that between you? Obviously, some people might reach out
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Speaker 3: to Tony. Some might reach out to Danny. How do
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Speaker 3: you how do you work together through those types of things?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just, I usually, like I said, I'd look
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Speaker 1: at it. I usually respond to them and say, Hey,
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Speaker 1: I saw your trade offer and I have to talk
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Speaker 1: to Danny and we'll discuss it and see what we
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Speaker 1: think and either come back with a counter proposal or
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Speaker 1: accept it or whatever. But we usually talk first. And
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Speaker 1: then after that, we go back. Sometimes we go back
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Speaker 1: and forth. Sometimes it's like an immediate, like no or immediate.
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Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 1: And we go from there. So that's just how we
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Speaker 1: do it. It seems the most fair and equal way
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Speaker 1: to do it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Why don't I jump to, I've got some of
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Speaker 3: your trades from the past few years. Cause again, we'll
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Speaker 3: talk about the season, but obviously we're coming, we're speaking
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Speaker 3: here on the aftermath of you guys winning the overall
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Speaker 3: four sport championship, the first non Kevin Victor in the
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Speaker 3: history of our league. And we'll talk later too. It
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Speaker 3: was a pretty remarkable run that got you there at
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Speaker 3: the end of the year. It was, it was really
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Speaker 3: an amazing feat, but let's see, you've got, I'm looking
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Speaker 3: one year in the past, Kyler Murray, You traded Kyler
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Speaker 3: Murray away for Baker Mayfield, a first-round pick in baseball,
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Speaker 3: a first-round pick in hockey, three-sport trade right there. That
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Speaker 3: probably worked out pretty well for you. I think this
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Speaker 3: was right before– actually, this is probably right after Kyler
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Speaker 3: got traded to the Vikings, isn't it?
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Speaker 1: I think he was still with Arizona, but he was
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Speaker 1: hurt or something, I think. Okay.
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Speaker 3: I just, I think.
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Speaker 2: It was last season. It's funny. You're mentioning all the trades.
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Speaker 2: I haven't reviewed them myself. So I'm just like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I forgot. We got extra picks with that. I just
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Speaker 2: look at Mayfield and go, man, should we have gotten
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Speaker 2: more for, but we did get some number one. So that's, that's.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: First round pick. And you haven't even taken that. first
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Speaker 3: round pick in baseball yet. I just know Rankin loves
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Speaker 3: him some Vikings. So I was thinking maybe that's why
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Speaker 3: he got Connor Murray.
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Speaker 2: All right.
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Speaker 3: I remember this one, fellas. I remember this one because
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Speaker 3: this is the biggest trade you guys and us. This
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Speaker 3: might've been, I'm not sure. I tried to go through
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Speaker 3: the Discord to pull these. So it's possible I missed one,
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Speaker 3: but I know I didn't miss this one because this
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Speaker 3: was a heck of a one. I traded you guys,
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Speaker 3: Jack Campbell, linebacker, Hawkeye linebacker, but also a lion. Joel Hofer,
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Speaker 3: who's an up-and-coming goalie. Logan Stankoven, who I thought was
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Speaker 3: the prize, I think, with a low contract. Zachary Bolduc,
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Speaker 3: who's looking good now. And a late pick. And this
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Speaker 3: is when I got Evan Bouchard from you guys. I
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Speaker 3: needed that star D, and I got him. And Dan Vladar,
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Speaker 3: who turned out to be a lot better than I
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Speaker 3: was even expecting.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Devin Lloyd, Walker Jenkins, both of whom have come out
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Speaker 3: decent for me. So that was a lot of moving pieces.
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Speaker 3: I would not say that there was a winner or
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Speaker 3: loser for that trade. It was really more both of
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Speaker 3: us addressing strengths and weaknesses. But that's complicated. Did that
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Speaker 3: involve all four sports? I'm trying to see. Maybe there
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Speaker 3: wasn't a basketball piece. But there were definitely three sports involved.
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Speaker 3: Go back in time. Let me know what what was
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Speaker 3: going on at the other end of that, because all
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Speaker 3: I remember was it got quiet for a long time.
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Speaker 3: And then I think Tony was the one who came
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Speaker 3: back and said, we're going to need X, Y and Z.
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Speaker 3: And he turned down like I was like, OK, this
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Speaker 3: is a little more hardcore than what I thought was
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Speaker 3: going to happen. But yeah, Tony, what do you got there?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm going to say my theory in trades
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Speaker 1: is it should benefit both teams. It's not always going
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Speaker 1: to because things turn out different, but I think they
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Speaker 1: should be. It shouldn't be someone needs to be a winner,
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Speaker 1: which some players play that way. I'm going to make
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Speaker 1: this trade and I have to have the best player.
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Speaker 1: I have to win the trade somehow. I think it
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Speaker 1: should be mutually beneficial for both teams. In this aspect,
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Speaker 1: because you have the four sports, it might be not
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Speaker 1: in the sport that you're thinking of, that you're making
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Speaker 1: the trade for or whatever, but it can cover more things.
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Speaker 1: So that's just the way I look at it. So
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Speaker 1: that's what happened. We needed some stuff, we needed some stuff,
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Speaker 1: and it worked out.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember we wanted Campbell pretty bad. We wanted
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Speaker 2: kind of an elite linebacker, and Lloyd was a good linebacker,
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Speaker 2: and we had to give up him to get a
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Speaker 2: better one maybe. And I remember we had... My strength,
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Speaker 2: I think, is in baseball. Tony's is obviously in hockey.
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Speaker 2: And we've been trying to trade out of the prospects
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Speaker 2: that we have. Our best depth is in the minors,
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Speaker 2: probably in those two sports. So anytime we can... trade
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Speaker 2: away prospects in baseball or hockey to improve our major
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Speaker 2: or league rosters, I guess you could say, is what
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Speaker 2: we've been trying to do for the last couple of years.
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Speaker 2: So it doesn't always work out. And yeah, that was
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Speaker 2: a pretty big trade in terms of pieces, but aligned
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Speaker 2: pretty well. And Tony said, I don't, we don't try
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Speaker 2: to win trades. In fact, I don't mind losing trades
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Speaker 2: if it hits a need that we're, we've been trying
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Speaker 2: to win the last couple of years. So if we're
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Speaker 2: losing a trade and giving up a good prospect to
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Speaker 2: fit a need in that roster for that season, I'm
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Speaker 2: okay with that. Yeah, for sure.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that, that was good. And really, yeah, every
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Speaker 3: part of it, I know it sounded complex. Every part
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Speaker 3: of that trade kind of made sense. Most of them,
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Speaker 3: if one, if it was like you didn't want to
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Speaker 3: open up a hole. I was giving you the upgrade
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Speaker 3: on goalie. You were giving me the upgrade. I was
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Speaker 3: giving you the upgrade on linebacker. But then it was
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Speaker 3: all in service of getting Evan Bouchard for me. But
17:06
Speaker 3: you guys got a lot of upgrades. And of course,
17:09
Speaker 3: Logan Stanko, I think is going to be a steal,
17:11
Speaker 3: a low contract. Maybe not last year yet, but he's
17:14
Speaker 3: going to be. But yeah, no, a lot of the
17:17
Speaker 3: other trades you went are a little bit more under
17:19
Speaker 3: the radar. There's no kind of superstar involved in most
17:23
Speaker 3: of these, but you guys haven't been shy to trade.
17:26
Speaker 3: It sounds like you're not trying to necessarily win trades,
17:28
Speaker 3: but you're also, you're making some depth trades to just
17:31
Speaker 3: try to continue to be competitive. Do you like making trades?
17:35
Speaker 3: Are you guys out there to deal? Do you get
17:37
Speaker 3: a lot of nonsense offers that you have to push off?
17:40
Speaker 3: What's the deal?
17:41
Speaker 2: I think everyone gets nonsense offers, I think. That's fine.
17:46
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not a big fan of them, but
17:49
Speaker 2: I think some people like to just throw out... That's
17:51
Speaker 2: their way of introducing an idea or a player into
17:54
Speaker 2: a conversation. So that's fine. But I think we... Honestly,
17:58
Speaker 2: I think we struggle at making trades. And it's... I
18:02
Speaker 2: think the complexity of sport for sports definitely contributes to that.
18:06
Speaker 2: It's hard for us to, or at least for me
18:08
Speaker 2: to wrap my brain around a linebacker versus a goalie
18:12
Speaker 2: versus an outfield prospect in the minors and trying to
18:15
Speaker 2: find the right value there so that you're not, it just, yeah,
18:19
Speaker 2: it's hard to work all of that through. And then
18:22
Speaker 2: between the two of us having to chat with multiple people,
18:24
Speaker 2: sometimes it becomes a little bit slower. In baseball, we
18:28
Speaker 2: were trying to make trades in the first couple of
18:29
Speaker 2: months of the year and just struggled. We reached out
18:32
Speaker 2: to half the teams in the league, trying to find
18:35
Speaker 2: some bats to help our team and couldn't do it.
18:39
Speaker 2: And we tried, it just didn't work out. And, and yeah,
18:42
Speaker 2: it's frankly, it's time consuming, I think. And most of
18:45
Speaker 2: us are in multiple leagues too. And so you get
18:47
Speaker 2: multiple requests on a weekly basis or trade offers. And
18:50
Speaker 2: so managing that I think is the hardest part for
18:54
Speaker 2: any dynasty league and certainly a four sport too. Yeah,
18:58
Speaker 2: I agree.
18:58
Speaker 1: I'm not a, I'm not a trade at all costs
19:01
Speaker 1: and trade to trade person. So yeah, I'd rather think
19:04
Speaker 1: it through and like I said, get depth and stuff
19:06
Speaker 1: like that to keep the team competitive.
19:09
Speaker 3: Yeah.
19:10
Speaker 1: So that's, yeah, I wish I was more of a
19:12
Speaker 1: trader sometimes because it might make things go faster for
19:15
Speaker 1: the team to ramp up or whatever, but yeah, it's,
19:19
Speaker 1: it works out and it just takes time.
19:23
Speaker 2: Yeah.
19:24
Speaker 3: You talk about, this multi-sport you guys really had a
19:28
Speaker 3: balance if you look at the team there were very
19:32
Speaker 3: few I tried to go back through the history there
19:34
Speaker 3: were very few times that you guys have been below
19:37
Speaker 3: 500 in a sport so unlike some people and I
19:41
Speaker 3: myself included I came in trying to push basketball and
19:45
Speaker 3: hockey early I thought maybe there will be some opportunity
19:48
Speaker 3: coming into the league with those sports and and for
19:50
Speaker 3: baseball and football I've been hanging back but in the
19:53
Speaker 3: overall that's certainly not helping me I'm climbing a little
19:56
Speaker 3: bit because I'm at least able to get into the
19:58
Speaker 3: middle ground in those but you guys have been pretty
20:00
Speaker 3: consistently strong you're almost always between fourth and eighth place
20:04
Speaker 3: in the regular season with a couple times that you've
20:06
Speaker 3: jumped up to first in the regular season but I
20:09
Speaker 3: You're not, your team is never at the bottom ever
20:13
Speaker 3: in three years, it feels like. So there must be
20:15
Speaker 3: a real commitment to trying to balance the teams and
20:18
Speaker 3: be competitive with each one of them. Was that a
20:21
Speaker 3: conscious thing that you weren't going to tank? You weren't
20:25
Speaker 3: going to just be awful in a sport for multiple
20:29
Speaker 3: years when you started this or even that? Has that
20:32
Speaker 3: been part of your process?
20:35
Speaker 1: I think so. I think we talked about that, that
20:36
Speaker 1: we wanted to be competitive as much as we could. So, yeah,
20:40
Speaker 1: I would agree with that, that we didn't want to
20:42
Speaker 1: take on anything unless it really came to that for
20:44
Speaker 1: some reason.
20:46
Speaker 2: That was definitely our plan in the draft. We wanted
20:48
Speaker 2: to not fall behind in anything. I think we knew
20:51
Speaker 2: our strengths were in hockey and baseball. And going back,
20:55
Speaker 2: I was looking at our draft the last couple of
20:57
Speaker 2: days preparing for today. But in hindsight, I think maybe
21:02
Speaker 2: we should have spent a little bit more capital on
21:05
Speaker 2: in the NFL and NBA and in hindsight, because we are,
21:09
Speaker 2: I think we, we are so strong there. We could
21:12
Speaker 2: have found more value later and we probably should have
21:16
Speaker 2: spent more on those sports in terms of capital, but
21:19
Speaker 2: we were, the hope was to be competitive the whole
21:22
Speaker 2: way through. And we got lucky, I think in the
21:25
Speaker 2: NBA and got healthy this year, we didn't have very
21:28
Speaker 2: many injuries. And so we kind of had a really
21:30
Speaker 2: good regular season that compared to the last couple of
21:33
Speaker 2: years that, that really helped us get over the top
21:36
Speaker 2: in that sport. Yeah.
21:37
Speaker 3: Let's take a quick break. We're going to come back
21:39
Speaker 3: and talk more about that season. Back talking with Danny Cumming,
21:54
Speaker 3: Tony Robinson of the great Four Sport League. our champions
21:59
Speaker 3: and we're now laying them completely bare making them reveal
22:02
Speaker 3: all of their secrets so that the rest of the
22:04
Speaker 3: league that's listening can defeat them next year obviously the
22:07
Speaker 3: secret subtext of having them on no not really you
22:10
Speaker 3: were talking a little bit about basketball and now you
22:14
Speaker 3: guys have won basketball in the past right it was
22:16
Speaker 3: that two years ago you guys won basketball danny is
22:19
Speaker 3: that right Am I remembering that wrong?
22:22
Speaker 2: I don't think we won basketball. No. Okay. All right.
22:25
Speaker 2: We won baseball a few times now.
22:27
Speaker 3: You won baseball. Okay. But your basketball team has been
22:31
Speaker 3: very successful. And you talked about you had a good
22:33
Speaker 3: run of health last year. I got to be honest.
22:35
Speaker 3: I look at the team and I'm not like this
22:38
Speaker 3: is a team that should have rolled over everybody. But
22:40
Speaker 3: it has been extremely strong over the years. You got
22:43
Speaker 3: Mello and Tyrese. Dyson Daniels had that miracle season. Asar Thompson.
22:49
Speaker 3: Bam at a bio. Jordan Poole has been very good
22:52
Speaker 3: for some reason. A couple other guys. But yeah, no,
22:56
Speaker 3: it doesn't seem overwhelming to me when I look at it.
22:59
Speaker 3: You've even got, yeah, you've got some heavier contracts that
23:03
Speaker 3: don't seem to do as Jordan Poole, for example, but
23:05
Speaker 3: it's been very successful together. You guys, and you're after
23:08
Speaker 3: my own heart because you're excellent in all the counting stats,
23:12
Speaker 3: but you're awful in ratios, just like me.
23:15
Speaker 2: We've had an ongoing ratio problem.
23:18
Speaker 3: So yeah. So talk about the basketball. Is that a
23:21
Speaker 3: little bit more you, Danny, or you said you're more
23:23
Speaker 3: of the prospect basketball guy, but both of you guys
23:25
Speaker 3: probably help handle the pros here, right?
23:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, we work together on all of it, frankly, but yeah,
23:32
Speaker 2: I think every year in the waivers, maybe the first waivers,
23:35
Speaker 2: the beginning of the year, we usually get a player
23:37
Speaker 2: or two that contributes. And I think what we had
23:40
Speaker 2: more than anything last year was just 15 to 18
23:43
Speaker 2: guys that we're happy to put in the lineup every day,
23:47
Speaker 2: even though we, we're not real top heavy, frankly, but
23:50
Speaker 2: Lomelo being healthy for most of the season really helped.
23:54
Speaker 2: And yeah, just having guys we couldn't plug in on
23:57
Speaker 2: a daily basis that get something is usually enough to
24:00
Speaker 2: make the playoffs at least. And that's what we were
24:02
Speaker 2: able to do with all the health. We, at one
24:05
Speaker 2: point we were losing players because everyone was healthy and
24:09
Speaker 2: we were having to figure out who to cut, which
24:11
Speaker 2: is a great problem to have. But yeah, we were like,
24:14
Speaker 2: there were like at one point, no guys on the IR,
24:16
Speaker 2: which when you roster 20 guys in any sport is
24:19
Speaker 2: pretty incredible. Yeah.
24:21
Speaker 3: And especially like, In our contract league, what I've found
24:25
Speaker 3: is I almost count on somebody being on the IL
24:27
Speaker 3: because if everybody gets healthy, I can't afford it. I'm
24:31
Speaker 3: usually running right up against the cap. You guys have
24:33
Speaker 3: always left a little bit of space. At least in basketball,
24:35
Speaker 3: I think you've had some space against the cap, which
24:37
Speaker 3: has been advantageous because then if you do have to
24:40
Speaker 3: drop somebody, in our league what goes on is if
24:43
Speaker 3: you drop somebody, you get 100% of their cap hit
24:46
Speaker 3: for the rest of their NBA contract. unless you perform
24:49
Speaker 3: a buyout, which you get two outs a year. When
24:51
Speaker 3: they're on the IL, you don't have to count their
24:53
Speaker 3: contract at all. You're in better shape almost when somebody
24:56
Speaker 3: gets shut down. We can get into the other teams,
24:59
Speaker 3: but I can't help it. I want to talk about
25:01
Speaker 3: this last season because here is how you guys did this.
25:05
Speaker 3: You got in playoffs in all four sports. Obviously, that
25:10
Speaker 3: made a big difference. In two of the sports, you
25:12
Speaker 3: had buys. I think you didn't in football, but you
25:15
Speaker 3: did in basketball and hockey, if I'm right. You did
25:18
Speaker 3: not win a playoff matchup through three sports. You lost
25:22
Speaker 3: in the first round, as far as I can tell,
25:24
Speaker 3: in all three of football, basketball, and hockey. And then
25:29
Speaker 3: in baseball, you qualified for the playoffs by one game
25:34
Speaker 3: in the last week. You beat me 7-3 to get
25:38
Speaker 3: in the playoffs, whereas the other guy who finished right
25:40
Speaker 3: behind you had a 1-7-2 matchup to fall behind you.
25:44
Speaker 3: And then you went on a miracle run to win
25:46
Speaker 3: baseball this year. and the overall four sport, quite the twofer.
25:51
Speaker 3: I don't know, start with Danny here. That baseball run
25:56
Speaker 3: was something else. That's kind of one of your favorite sports.
25:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've had a kind of an aging roster. We've got,
26:02
Speaker 2: we had Mookie Betts, we've got Yelich, Eugenio Suarez, a
26:06
Speaker 2: bunch of older guys on the team and the hitting side,
26:09
Speaker 2: at least. And we knew we were going to need
26:11
Speaker 2: some younger bats. We tried to trade for first base
26:14
Speaker 2: bats and corner and outfield bats this year. And it just,
26:17
Speaker 2: like I said earlier, it didn't work out, but we
26:20
Speaker 2: were on, on the cusp of the playoffs all season long.
26:24
Speaker 2: We knew we had to beat Kevin and Wakanak, I
26:27
Speaker 2: think is the other team that we need, we need
26:29
Speaker 2: to be ahead of them going into to win the overall.
26:31
Speaker 2: And we just couldn't get over the hump. And they
26:35
Speaker 2: were one and two, I think most of the season
26:37
Speaker 2: we were And at some point that last week of
26:40
Speaker 2: the season, I can't remember who we were looking at
26:42
Speaker 2: on the waiver wire, but we were just chatting, the
26:45
Speaker 2: two of us, and we were almost given up. We
26:47
Speaker 2: were like, should we even, should we grab this guy
26:50
Speaker 2: or off waivers instead? Because this is more of a
26:52
Speaker 2: next year play because we were close to not making
26:55
Speaker 2: the playoffs. And we got frankly, pretty lucky to get in,
27:00
Speaker 2: to sneak into that sixth seed. But the team did
27:03
Speaker 2: start playing very well, obviously during the playoffs to take
27:06
Speaker 2: us all the way to the end.
27:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, we both thought, when I show off my computer,
27:10
Speaker 1: I think the last night or the second to last
27:12
Speaker 1: night of the season, like, okay, that was fun. We
27:15
Speaker 1: didn't make it and whatever and all that kind of stuff.
27:17
Speaker 1: And then I looked at the computer the next day,
27:19
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, wait a second, we're in. So yeah,
27:22
Speaker 1: it was pretty amazing. Yeah, we had a lot of
27:24
Speaker 1: injuries at the beginning of the year, and we were
27:25
Speaker 1: trying to trade out of that, and we couldn't get
27:27
Speaker 1: anything done. So yeah, we got pretty lucky, I would say,
27:30
Speaker 1: on that. Good work by both Danny and I, but still,
27:34
Speaker 1: it was a little bit of luck involved there, I think.
27:37
Speaker 3: And I want everybody to know I was playing hard
27:39
Speaker 3: that last week of the season. I was not slacking off.
27:42
Speaker 2: I pushed Tony.
27:43
Speaker 3: The first time I remember Tony was in hockey when
27:46
Speaker 3: I was trying to get into the playoffs in the
27:48
Speaker 3: last week of the season. And Tony was playing out
27:51
Speaker 3: the string that year. He had a rebuilding team. And
27:53
Speaker 3: he played his butt off.
27:56
Speaker 1: And I forget.
27:57
Speaker 3: He might have beat me. And I always remember that.
28:00
Speaker 3: And I always remarked on it. I admire somebody who's
28:03
Speaker 3: going to play spoiler when they're eliminated in a league.
28:07
Speaker 3: Because so many people just won't do it. And it
28:09
Speaker 3: is such, having competitive people who are going to do
28:13
Speaker 3: the right thing and keep setting their lineup is such
28:15
Speaker 3: a big deal to me. And that's the first I
28:17
Speaker 3: remember of you, Tony. And I probably, I keep talking
28:20
Speaker 3: about it on podcasts because it is the time that
28:22
Speaker 3: I really noticed it. But yeah, I tried to return
28:25
Speaker 3: the favor by playing you hard, but you guys were
28:28
Speaker 3: too good at that point and got yourselves in. But yeah,
28:32
Speaker 3: what a season then to come out on top because
28:34
Speaker 3: that ain't easy in this league. So it was really
28:39
Speaker 3: an amazing run. Yeah, so we talked a little bit
28:43
Speaker 3: about your basketball season. Or no, we talked a little
28:45
Speaker 3: bit about your baseball season. We've talked a little bit
28:48
Speaker 3: about your basketball team. Football usually lags a little bit
28:53
Speaker 3: behind for you guys. And in football, I think you
28:57
Speaker 3: did not have a bye. You were a little bit
28:58
Speaker 3: lower in the ranks there. But what's been your approach
29:02
Speaker 3: in football? How are things looking there? Tony, you want
29:05
Speaker 3: to start?
29:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, we tried to, again, tried to be pretty balanced.
29:09
Speaker 1: I think the defense, the IDP, because I have not
29:12
Speaker 1: played a lot of that and I don't think Danny
29:13
Speaker 1: has either. That was when the draft was hard for
29:16
Speaker 1: us and then also getting started in the first couple
29:19
Speaker 1: years trying to figure out what the trade things are
29:22
Speaker 1: for equal and all that kind of value and all
29:24
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. We didn't really chase after superstars necessarily.
29:28
Speaker 1: We just wanted good players that played and stuff like that.
29:31
Speaker 1: So we've been hurt a little bit by the injury
29:33
Speaker 1: bug sometimes too, but I think that's our football is
29:36
Speaker 1: just again try to be balanced as we can and
29:38
Speaker 1: not necessarily have to have a superstar player but get
29:41
Speaker 1: somebody that's a good player that plays well and is
29:44
Speaker 1: healthy a lot of time and that's why we got
29:46
Speaker 1: rid of murray because he was hurt i think so
29:49
Speaker 1: yeah that's our main focus i think.
29:52
Speaker 2: I think in general, I think in football, neither of
29:56
Speaker 2: us had played an IDP league, as Tony said, and
29:59
Speaker 2: we didn't draft very well for it looking back at
30:01
Speaker 2: it at all. But we did a good job of,
30:03
Speaker 2: I think, building a pretty strong IDP roster just through waivers,
30:08
Speaker 2: just through burning and turning those spots, trying to find
30:12
Speaker 2: guys through the years. And that really helped us because
30:15
Speaker 2: we haven't been strong on offense. We had functional quarterbacks maybe,
30:19
Speaker 2: but We've been weak at running back outside of Kyron Williams.
30:23
Speaker 2: We haven't had much success at wide receiver either. And
30:27
Speaker 2: we drafted older wide receivers in the startup too, Amari Cooper, Diggs.
30:32
Speaker 2: So yeah, we've struggled. And frankly, we're one in three
30:35
Speaker 2: in the new season already.
30:36
Speaker 1: The darn median team.
30:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're definitely a ways away from getting back into
30:43
Speaker 2: the playoffs at this point. But because we were... did
30:47
Speaker 2: well on the IDP side, I think that really was
30:49
Speaker 2: enough to get over the hump and make it into
30:51
Speaker 2: the playoffs and what you really needed to do to
30:53
Speaker 2: win the overall, you can't really drop below a playoff
30:56
Speaker 2: team to compete.
30:59
Speaker 3: I think there's the, yeah, the IDP thing. And I
31:02
Speaker 3: love IDP and probably a lot of people are like,
31:05
Speaker 3: we really have to do this IDP thing. But the
31:07
Speaker 3: thing with IDP is I'm not sure even everybody is
31:11
Speaker 3: adjusted or, maybe they've adjusted, but they haven't been able
31:14
Speaker 3: to adjust the rosters to recognize the importance of the
31:17
Speaker 3: IDP in, in that league, because a whole lot of
31:21
Speaker 3: your points are, I don't, I should compute this at
31:24
Speaker 3: some point, but I bet half the points or close
31:26
Speaker 3: to half the points are computed from your IDP side,
31:29
Speaker 3: because you almost need everybody on your IDP side to
31:33
Speaker 3: get you nine, 10 points every week for you to
31:36
Speaker 3: be competitive, or that's what the most competitive teams are doing.
31:40
Speaker 3: And if you're focusing on scrapping for the running back,
31:42
Speaker 3: who's going to get you seven points instead of five
31:44
Speaker 3: and ignoring the IDP is not going to work. So yeah,
31:48
Speaker 3: you guys definitely adjusted to that and were able to
31:50
Speaker 3: overcome even some people who've played a bunch of IDP
31:53
Speaker 3: in the past. That is pretty good. And still what's
31:56
Speaker 3: the shame if that's the weakest of the four teams
31:58
Speaker 3: you have, that's still making the playoffs.
32:00
Speaker 1: What the heck?
32:01
Speaker 3: That's, that's some pretty good stuff. What, what about, let's see,
32:05
Speaker 3: what about hockey? Tony, that's, that's your baby. And again,
32:08
Speaker 3: Tony is our lead scout. You're grinding tape all the
32:11
Speaker 3: time looking at these prospects and stuff. How have you
32:13
Speaker 3: felt about your hockey work?
32:16
Speaker 1: I think pretty good. There's always room for improvement. The
32:18
Speaker 1: prospect stuff, I think watching some of the tape has
32:20
Speaker 1: helped because they really didn't have access to stat and
32:23
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff before. So more of that was
32:25
Speaker 1: just watching games. And I do live in an area
32:28
Speaker 1: where there's a ton of hockey. Michigan has every level
32:31
Speaker 1: of hockey you can think of. It has good high school.
32:34
Speaker 1: It has college. It's got USHL, OHL. It doesn't have
32:41
Speaker 1: AHL anymore, but yeah. Oh, it's got the Griffins. Yeah,
32:44
Speaker 1: I forgot about the Griffins. Yeah, so AHL and NHL.
32:46
Speaker 1: So it's got it all. And yeah, I've just been
32:48
Speaker 1: following it my whole life. Grew up a Montreal Canadiens
32:51
Speaker 1: and Detroit Red Wings fan. And yeah, I just try
32:54
Speaker 1: to watch as much as I can. And again, try
32:57
Speaker 1: to pick out players that maybe, again, aren't superstars, but
33:00
Speaker 1: are decent and play all the time and put up
33:03
Speaker 1: maybe some more of the peripheral stats, hit some blocks
33:06
Speaker 1: and that kind of thing, shots on goal. instead of
33:09
Speaker 1: necessarily always chasing goals. And I will confess, I am
33:13
Speaker 1: a goalie nerd. I love goalies. So I always want
33:18
Speaker 1: to get the best goalies I can get for the team.
33:22
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think we're doing pretty good. But again,
33:25
Speaker 1: I think we can improve too.
33:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're sitting there with Jacob Fowler in your minors system.
33:30
Speaker 3: That's about to happen. But yeah, I know you guys
33:34
Speaker 3: have had a formidable hockey team. And The contract element
33:38
Speaker 3: of it in three of the four sports, everything but football,
33:40
Speaker 3: because those football people are freaking crazy. Who knows what
33:42
Speaker 3: their salaries are? That's even beyond, I think, what is
33:46
Speaker 3: even fun to play. But you guys, yeah, the contracts
33:49
Speaker 3: of Pavel Zaka, insane value for that. Stankoven, I think,
33:53
Speaker 3: will be. Lane Hudson and Darren Radish are really on
33:57
Speaker 3: below market contracts. Zach Wierenski is now compared to what
34:01
Speaker 3: was jumping up in the league. And then to throw
34:04
Speaker 3: Mikko Rantanen And Nathan McKinnon on top of that, obviously
34:08
Speaker 3: it makes sense why you guys are sitting good in
34:11
Speaker 3: that sport.
34:12
Speaker 1: Yeah.
34:12
Speaker 3: So maybe we should talk about what have been some
34:15
Speaker 3: of your favorite moves over the history of the league.
34:18
Speaker 3: Can you think of any times or maybe moments over
34:22
Speaker 3: the three-year history that that really kind of go back
34:25
Speaker 3: to you. I see a look of recognition maybe on
34:27
Speaker 3: Danny's face here. Why don't we, why don't we start
34:29
Speaker 3: with him?
34:30
Speaker 2: All I think about are all the moves we didn't
34:32
Speaker 2: make or all the mistakes we've made, but yeah, we've
34:35
Speaker 2: had some good success and obviously Tony's made a ton
34:39
Speaker 2: of great moves and pickups in hockey, but our baseball
34:41
Speaker 2: roster is we've drafted pretty well after the initial draft,
34:44
Speaker 2: we drafted prospects pretty well. we've also taken it like
34:48
Speaker 2: just in baseball this year, we needed help at first
34:51
Speaker 2: base and we picked up Rumfeld on waivers, which is
34:54
Speaker 2: not a great first baseman, but he was in the
34:57
Speaker 2: lineup every day and put up numbers and was a
34:59
Speaker 2: good OBP guy. So just little moves like that. I think,
35:03
Speaker 2: I don't know that Tony and I have ever really
35:05
Speaker 2: talked about it officially, but we're just trying to find
35:08
Speaker 2: good players that are playing and creating a team with
35:11
Speaker 2: a lot of depth. And I think we're both good
35:14
Speaker 2: at finding players. those types of guys and it doesn't
35:16
Speaker 2: have to be superstars, but Rumfeld really helped us this
35:19
Speaker 2: year looking through our roster here. I don't know. We got,
35:23
Speaker 2: I think we got Tole on waivers at the end
35:26
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago when he first got his
35:28
Speaker 2: call up, he wasn't on a, wasn't on a team
35:32
Speaker 2: or wasn't rostered. And so when he called up, we
35:34
Speaker 2: won him in a waiver bid, but little moves like
35:37
Speaker 2: that are essentially free additions to your team. I think
35:42
Speaker 2: we've done a pretty good job of finding those types
35:44
Speaker 2: of guys.
35:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd agree with that. Yeah, I can't think of
35:49
Speaker 1: anything in particular right now because it's all, it's constant motion.
35:52
Speaker 1: So you don't get much time to look back and
35:56
Speaker 1: see what we've done. So it's just kind of keep
35:58
Speaker 1: moving forward in my opinion. So I just try to
36:00
Speaker 1: keep going and try to make best moves again that
36:03
Speaker 1: keep our team balanced deep and can compete.
36:07
Speaker 3: Well, this, yeah, this has been, yeah, again, an amazing
36:11
Speaker 3: season and you guys well-earned for the consistent team strength
36:15
Speaker 3: that you guys have had over several years now and
36:18
Speaker 3: your balance and continue to be competitive throughout well-earned, even
36:22
Speaker 3: if it was a miracle run at the end that
36:25
Speaker 3: got you there, the overall title this year. And a couple,
36:28
Speaker 3: I think you've had, again, a couple of individual sport
36:31
Speaker 3: titles also over the course of the years. So it
36:34
Speaker 3: hasn't just all been make the playoffs. You guys have
36:37
Speaker 3: had some breakthrough.
36:38
Speaker 1: Wins as well.
36:39
Speaker 3: I don't know how much of the audience has never
36:42
Speaker 3: played a four sport league or never tried a partnership
36:45
Speaker 3: if they feel weak in some areas or strong in
36:48
Speaker 3: some areas is there any advice that you guys would
36:51
Speaker 3: give to somebody who's maybe on the fence about joining
36:54
Speaker 3: a poor sport league on the fence about strategy or
36:58
Speaker 3: taking on a partner that you you'd like to share
37:01
Speaker 3: with them daniel let's start with you what would you
37:03
Speaker 3: tell people who are thinking about something like.
37:04
Speaker 2: This I think having a teammate has really helped. I
37:08
Speaker 2: think it's, we're all in a lot of leagues. You,
37:10
Speaker 2: I think most of us are, if you're looking at
37:12
Speaker 2: a force feed for sport, you're a, you're in a
37:15
Speaker 2: bunch of leagues and it can be a burden. Frankly,
37:18
Speaker 2: the lineup setting is relatively easy, but responding to trades,
37:22
Speaker 2: doing the research, having someone to chat with and communicate
37:25
Speaker 2: and bounce ideas off of, I think has really helped
37:28
Speaker 2: both of us. And we've, I don't think either of
37:31
Speaker 2: us have real big egos and we, the way we've communicate,
37:34
Speaker 2: we're giving options. If we're in a draft, here's three
37:37
Speaker 2: or four guys. Here's who are you looking at? And
37:40
Speaker 2: we can, between the two of us come up with
37:42
Speaker 2: a consensus. And most of those picks are in general
37:45
Speaker 2: have been pretty successful, but I think having a teammate
37:50
Speaker 2: really helps. And I would, it, I can't imagine doing
37:54
Speaker 2: this without a teammate, and it would be just a
37:57
Speaker 2: lot to handle, especially with vacations, travel, you're sick, things
38:01
Speaker 2: like that. Having a teammate to handle all of that
38:04
Speaker 2: really helps.
38:04
Speaker 3: How about you, Tony?
38:07
Speaker 1: Any thoughts? I'd say the same thing. I never really
38:10
Speaker 1: thought about a co-GM or anything before. And with this, though,
38:13
Speaker 1: it's definitely made a difference. And I'm recommending it whenever
38:16
Speaker 1: I talk to somebody, even in regular redrafts on Yahoo
38:19
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Hey, if you don't think you
38:21
Speaker 1: can do this or you don't think you have enough
38:23
Speaker 1: time to do this, invite a co-GM. It's very helpful.
38:26
Speaker 1: You got to know somebody else or maybe I could
38:28
Speaker 1: recommend somebody for somebody that, you know, in a certain sport,
38:31
Speaker 1: they could help somebody out or something like that. But yeah,
38:33
Speaker 1: I think it's made all the difference in the world,
38:36
Speaker 1: I think so.
38:38
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I know when we started, I kind of
38:41
Speaker 3: tried to pull people to say, because I was getting
38:43
Speaker 3: so much of this, I'd love to play, but I
38:46
Speaker 3: don't feel strong at X sport. And I don't remember,
38:48
Speaker 3: I think, Dan, you came to me at first, and
38:51
Speaker 3: I don't think you said you were weak in any sport,
38:53
Speaker 3: but you were like, I'm going to have to learn
38:55
Speaker 3: and kind of get back into such and such sport.
38:57
Speaker 3: And I was like, I got the guy for you.
39:00
Speaker 3: And so I kind of plugged, because really, honestly, the
39:03
Speaker 3: general pool, like the in this league type pool of,
39:06
Speaker 3: fantasy or dynasty sports players who listen to multiple different
39:10
Speaker 3: sports stuff, it's hockey usually. And then beyond that, it's
39:13
Speaker 3: basketball that people feel weaker at is what I find.
39:17
Speaker 3: And so that fantasy hockey life pipeline, I think I
39:20
Speaker 3: came to Tony second. I was like, Hey man, would
39:22
Speaker 3: you be interested in playing? I've got a guy who's
39:24
Speaker 3: going to be really good, but he probably needs somebody
39:27
Speaker 3: to supplement the hockey knowledge. And luckily I didn't even
39:29
Speaker 3: know you had knowledge for the other sports as well.
39:32
Speaker 3: So you were able to really bring a balance across sports.
39:35
Speaker 3: But that was really cool. And I'm glad that because
39:38
Speaker 3: I get the feeling you guys are confident now in
39:41
Speaker 3: all the sports because of the way. you've worked at
39:43
Speaker 3: it and you should be because you make the playoffs
39:45
Speaker 3: in all the sports.
39:45
Speaker 2: Yeah. I hope I was upfront about my lack of
39:48
Speaker 2: hockey knowledge in the beginning, what I applied to, to
39:51
Speaker 2: be in, but I also hadn't played keeper dynasty basketball
39:55
Speaker 2: on this level. And this is an, even if you've
39:57
Speaker 2: played sports or these other sports doing a 12 team
40:01
Speaker 2: redraft league or a keeper league versus an 18 team
40:04
Speaker 2: dynasty league is completely different. So, um, It's it is
40:08
Speaker 2: a learning experience. And I'd played points leagues and basketball, too.
40:11
Speaker 2: So this was another transition to category based. Yeah, it's
40:15
Speaker 2: a transition. But if you like this sort of stuff
40:18
Speaker 2: like this is fun, right? Like this is the fun stuff.
40:21
Speaker 2: Learning how to. Oh, cool. I need to look at
40:23
Speaker 2: my ratios and be concerned about free throw percentages. I
40:26
Speaker 2: don't know. For me, that stuff is fun. And that's
40:28
Speaker 2: probably why we enjoy this sort of thing. Yeah.
40:32
Speaker 3: Tremendous stuff, guys. I really appreciate your being willing to
40:35
Speaker 3: come on and talk a little bit about your process.
40:37
Speaker 3: I hope that people will get interested and do this stuff,
40:40
Speaker 3: but you make a great point about it is a
40:42
Speaker 3: 365 day a year type of grind. And if you
40:47
Speaker 3: don't set your lineups for a while, you're going to
40:49
Speaker 3: hear from me in this league, especially if I can
40:52
Speaker 3: keep up enough to catch you because we got to
40:55
Speaker 3: have that. So you guys, it's nice to never have
40:57
Speaker 3: to worry about that with you guys. So Yeah, man.
41:00
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for coming on. Congratulations on your victory.
41:03
Speaker 3: I know the whole league is congratulating you on it
41:06
Speaker 3: because it's an amazing accomplishment. And yeah, good luck, but
41:11
Speaker 3: not as much luck as me in the coming year.
41:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, glad we could finally beat Kevin.
41:16
Speaker 1: Yeah it wouldn't.
41:18
Speaker 3: Be so poor kevin he didn't even win this time
41:21
Speaker 3: and he's still catching strays all the guy does is
41:24
Speaker 3: win but sometimes that's what it takes to get a
41:27
Speaker 3: hard time put on you give.
41:28
Speaker 1: You someone to shoot for right you need somebody to
41:30
Speaker 1: chase after so he inspired us so yeah we can
41:34
Speaker 1: inspire the rest.
41:36
Speaker 3: I've i've said it before and all kidding kevin's the
41:39
Speaker 3: best dynasty player i've ever seen and like he didn't
41:42
Speaker 3: know anything about football when he started this or hockey
41:45
Speaker 3: when he joined this league.
41:46
Speaker 2: Wow. That just makes me feel sick, frankly.
41:51
Speaker 3: I knew him from basketball. I've been in a basketball
41:53
Speaker 3: league with him since 2015. And then I brought him
41:56
Speaker 3: over to a baseball league, which he's now won four
41:59
Speaker 3: years or something like that, that started from 30 team,
42:02
Speaker 3: a hundred player roster league that he's won all these years.
42:07
Speaker 3: And I was like, we're bringing him in, but, he's
42:10
Speaker 3: going to win. So I, you love playing the best
42:13
Speaker 3: competition though. And Kevin's always going to be that, but
42:16
Speaker 3: this year you guys are the best competition. Congratulations to you.
42:20
Speaker 1: Thanks.
42:21
Speaker 2: Thank you.
42:25
Speaker 3: Fun times. I love both of these guys. First time
42:32
Speaker 3: I've ever spoken by audio video with either one of them,
42:36
Speaker 3: but I feel like I've known them. I have known
42:38
Speaker 3: them for quite.
42:38
Speaker 2: A while now.
42:39
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43:05
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43:09
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43:12
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43:18
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43:24
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43:28
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43:31
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43:36
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43:40
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43:43
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43:50
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