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Best of Chuck in the Morning 8-12 · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 4: Are you writing this stuff?
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  Speaker 5: Something?
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  Speaker 2: This is Chuck in the morning. Why you people are
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  Speaker 2: beyond Let's go, Let's get the game off. Hey, great
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  Speaker 2: morning to you. Welcome into the radio show on a
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  Speaker 2: home day. It is Chuck Polin Ashley Ryan with you
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  Speaker 2: Sports Radio ninety three point three kh A r f M,
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  Speaker 2: and we do take you till ten o'clock today. We've
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  Speaker 2: got all sorts of things to discuss on today's program,
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  Speaker 2: and yeah, a lot of them.
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  Speaker 4: Great.
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  Speaker 6: I was gonna say we got all sorts huh yeah, all.
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  Speaker 7: Sorts of happy stuff.
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  Speaker 2: No, yeah, I wouldn't call it happy stuff.
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  Speaker 7: We're thrilled.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe we could weave in some happy stuff at some point. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: maybe we could sprinkle it. I don't know if I
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  Speaker 2: have I don't have enough material for a weave. I
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  Speaker 2: might have to sprinkle dust it.
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  Speaker 7: What about tears? We got room for tears.
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  Speaker 4: Oh we do, we do.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the salty tears. Yeah, we can taste each
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  Speaker 2: other's tears later on in the program as well. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: gonna be that kind of day, but we welcome you
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  Speaker 2: into the show. We do have a lot to discuss
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  Speaker 2: here on today's program, and so welcome in as we
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  Speaker 2: get things started here on a Wednesday. And yeah, it
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  Speaker 2: does feel from you know, this is kind of this
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  Speaker 2: is one of the tough I'm gonna say this the
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  Speaker 2: good thing if there's a silver lining about what I'm
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  Speaker 2: ready to discuss, as I have done this before, and
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  Speaker 2: the team two different times has magically turned the baseball
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  Speaker 2: season around like out of nowhere, like just completely out
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  Speaker 2: of no like the moment I said this, then the
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  Speaker 2: team absolutely reached down and found something magical and went
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  Speaker 2: on a run. This has happened twice in the last
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  Speaker 2: five years now. One time they didn't finish it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the other time they did. But yeah, it is Mariner's
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  Speaker 2: funeral day today. That's what it feels like to me.
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  Speaker 2: That team's not going to come back from this. And
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  Speaker 2: they are now eight games under five hundred after losing
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  Speaker 2: to the Yankees last night, a game that they were
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  Speaker 2: leading one to nothing going into the sixth inning, but
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  Speaker 2: once again, absolutely no offense from this baseball team. Once
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  Speaker 2: again a manager that doesn't know what to do once
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  Speaker 2: the starting pitcher is out of the game, and it
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  Speaker 2: results in a one loss to the New York Yankees,
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  Speaker 2: eight games under five hundred, four and a half games
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  Speaker 2: out of first place, with another with two teams between
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  Speaker 2: them and first place, four games out of the wild card.
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  Speaker 2: There are only three teams in the American League right
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  Speaker 2: now that are worse than the Seattle Mariners in the standings.
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  Speaker 2: Only three, I mean, certainly not out of it completely.
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  Speaker 2: The maths suggests that they could pull something out of
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  Speaker 2: a hat and pull this thing off. But the baseball
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  Speaker 2: team that we're watching, even the postgame comments, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I do appreciate Ashley, and you know, there's never ever
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  Speaker 2: going to be a time where we don't like Slash
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  Speaker 2: love cal Rawley, right, never going to be a time.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he's just such a good dude. And then
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  Speaker 2: on top of it, he's given us phenomenal memories in
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  Speaker 2: this city, yep. And he gave us what probably is
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  Speaker 2: the greatest individual season in Mariners history, and a franchise
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  Speaker 2: that had Griffy Junior in it. Cal Rawley authored the
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  Speaker 2: greatest individual season in the history of the franchise last year.
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  Speaker 2: But he's been awful to use his own words, and
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  Speaker 2: last night I appreciate him going out there and meeting
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  Speaker 2: the media head on, and it looks like, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: he could have easily sat in his locker and did
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  Speaker 2: the same three to five minute conversation and gave short,
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  Speaker 2: cliched answers to questions. He went out, he met it
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  Speaker 2: head on. He threw himself under the bus. But it
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  Speaker 2: seems like a really strange time for the captain of
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  Speaker 2: the team, and the manager still hasn't spoken this way.
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  Speaker 2: On August twelfth, eight games under five hundred to have
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  Speaker 2: an entire press conference with both New York and Seattle
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  Speaker 2: media last night and say we got to start playing
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  Speaker 2: with it with an edge. You got to start playing
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  Speaker 2: with an edge. And he might not have said that specifically,
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  Speaker 2: like in those terms, but that was the theme of
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  Speaker 2: his press conference last night. That's what he went out
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  Speaker 2: to tell the media. We got to just play with
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  Speaker 2: an edge. We're not always playing with an edge. What
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  Speaker 2: on earth? So what was the wake up call eight games?
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  Speaker 2: Was it seven wasn't seven games under five hundred, Six
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  Speaker 2: games under five hundred an All Star break in which
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  Speaker 2: you were already being described as the most disappointing team
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  Speaker 2: in baseball. And that's in a league where the New
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  Speaker 2: York Mets have the second highest payroll in the sport
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  Speaker 2: and are the worst team in the National League. And
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  Speaker 2: yet national experts who had your back at the beginning
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  Speaker 2: of the year and said you were going to win
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  Speaker 2: the American League, at the All Star break and at
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  Speaker 2: the trading deadline were describing you as the most disappointing
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  Speaker 2: team in Major League Baseball. And now we're going to
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  Speaker 2: create an edge. Now we're going to set that edge.
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  Speaker 2: And maybe he didn't mean it that way, and maybe
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  Speaker 2: he felt that way a long time ago, but that
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  Speaker 2: seems like a strange time to waltz out in front
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  Speaker 2: of a bunch of cameras and a bunch of reporters
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  Speaker 2: who've been following you all year along some of them,
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  Speaker 2: and announced that we've got to set an it, we
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  Speaker 2: got to play with a greater edge going forward.
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  Speaker 6: Well wow, And I think I do think that this
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  Speaker 6: team thought they were doing that, Like I think they've
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  Speaker 6: had moments where they're like, yeah, we've got this, we're
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  Speaker 6: playing with our edge, we're fighting for this, we want this.
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  Speaker 6: But I think they were maybe going more through the
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  Speaker 6: motions and maybe him coming out because he I mean,
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  Speaker 6: he said that, but he also kind.
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  Speaker 7: Of called all of them out.
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  Speaker 6: He said, we we can't we got we gotta stop
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  Speaker 6: finger pointing.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, it's not about who did this wrong or
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  Speaker 7: who did that wrong.
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  Speaker 6: And so I want I don't know if it was
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  Speaker 6: more of a public display to say like, yeah, we're
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  Speaker 6: having these conversations and this is what's.
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  Speaker 7: Going on and we know we need to be better, or.
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  Speaker 6: If it was just finally his frustration kind of overflowing
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  Speaker 6: in him.
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  Speaker 7: Saying saying like I want to say this out loud,
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  Speaker 7: and I want to about himself.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I want everyone to know that I know I'm
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  Speaker 6: terrible right now.
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  Speaker 7: Awful was his word.
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  Speaker 6: And this team isn't playing how they're supposed to, and
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  Speaker 6: we are we know that.
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  Speaker 7: It is a disappointment to everybody.
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  Speaker 6: And I mean, I I admired that he came out
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  Speaker 6: there because yeah, as you said, he could have easily
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  Speaker 6: just mumbled things in his locker and been like, I
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  Speaker 6: don't know, we've got to be better, gotta try.
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  Speaker 7: We fought hard.
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  Speaker 6: I mean he could have, you know, kind of done
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  Speaker 6: a Dan Wilson and just well it was a tough one. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: I mean even Dan Wilson was a little more irritated.
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  Speaker 2: I like it, but I'll say this, like it felt
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  Speaker 2: like it felt like closing words to the season. It
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  Speaker 2: felt like we don't have an answer. Yeah, we got
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  Speaker 2: six weeks left to come up with an answer, and
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  Speaker 2: we don't have an answer. And of course Dan Wilson's
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  Speaker 2: typical tough one press conference afterwards. I don't you know,
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  Speaker 2: if if fire is required, I don't think that they
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  Speaker 2: have a match. I don't think I don't think that
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  Speaker 2: they know where to pull that spark from. If it occurs,
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  Speaker 2: it's going to come out from you know, the sky.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be a lightning bolt that jolts them
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  Speaker 2: into action. It's not going to be anything that they
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  Speaker 2: can generate themselves. That's how it felt to me. It
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  Speaker 2: felt like a eulogy last night, more so than a
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  Speaker 2: pep talk like this, this thing's dead. I'm sorry that
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  Speaker 2: it's dead. I'm partly responsible for it being dead. I
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  Speaker 2: take a lot of the blame for it. Being dead.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe we can resurrect it, but if we do, we
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  Speaker 2: got to play completely different than what we've been playing
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  Speaker 2: as of late. And that it wasn't inspiring to me,
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  Speaker 2: I can I can appreciate it.
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  Speaker 7: Oh and I don't think he was trying to be inspiring.
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  Speaker 2: He wasn't inspiring. It didn't feel like there. I didn't
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  Speaker 2: see in his eye fight. I kind of saw in
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  Speaker 2: his eye surrender. That's what I saw in that in
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  Speaker 2: his press conference last night. And Dan Wilson just you know,
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  Speaker 2: Just is gonna be him, gonna be him every single
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  Speaker 2: second of every single day, including in games. Yeah, he's
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  Speaker 2: gonna be nervous and fidgety and and then just vanilla.
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  Speaker 2: That's what afterwards. He's just gonna be vanilla and not
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  Speaker 2: give you anything. And so that's where you're at. And
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  Speaker 2: that's why to me, like I mean, I've said this
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  Speaker 2: week that I'm on the other side of the fence
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  Speaker 2: for the first time. I don't think they're gonna be
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  Speaker 2: able to pull this off. And that's very disappointing.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, it really is now.
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  Speaker 2: I really think it's over. It's done.
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  Speaker 6: I've gotten I tell you that every year, if we
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  Speaker 6: are out of the playoffs. Mathematically out of the playoffs,
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  Speaker 6: I still hold on to hope, like, well, something crazy
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  Speaker 6: could happen. We could still end up. And I have
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  Speaker 6: this like certain mentality where I'm like, I haven't fully
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  Speaker 6: given up yet, even though I should have given because
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  Speaker 6: there's no chance. That's kind of how I already feel,
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  Speaker 6: even though we're not mathematically out of it. Oh, not
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  Speaker 6: till we have a chance. But I have that same
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  Speaker 6: kind of like I'm trying to will myself to still
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  Speaker 6: believe that they could do something that kind of seems impossible.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're gonna have to just I mean, in the
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  Speaker 2: last you've got to find a streak, you've got to
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  Speaker 2: find some tear. Yeah, And that's that's I guess that's
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  Speaker 2: my point. Yeah, certainly you've got plenty of time Mathematically
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  Speaker 2: it comes back from this. But we've been waiting for
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  Speaker 2: this team to play good baseball for four and a
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  Speaker 2: half months, right, and it's not getting better. No, the
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  Speaker 2: offense is getting worse. Yep, that's the worst picture you're
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  Speaker 2: gonna face in this series. And he's pretty good, don't
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  Speaker 2: get me wrong. Weather's is pretty good. Yeah, that's the
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  Speaker 2: worst picture you're going to face. In these three games
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  Speaker 2: and you got three hits off of him and then
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  Speaker 2: with a one nothing lead, And I do blame just
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think you know what's coming. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to talk about Dan's decision, but I do
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  Speaker 2: blame the offense. I don't want anybody to get it.
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  Speaker 2: That's the biggest problem. We can't hit right. And so
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  Speaker 2: for all of the people that are worried that the
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  Speaker 2: Mariners are going to have to fire a legend and
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  Speaker 2: Dan Wilson, I got news for you, They're gonna have
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  Speaker 2: to fire two legends because there's no way that this
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  Speaker 2: offensive coaching staff can survive this season in the off season,
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  Speaker 2: and that that legend, that sacred ground right there, Edgar Martinez.
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  Speaker 2: But he can't. He can't stick around after a year
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  Speaker 2: in which you ended up with one of the four
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  Speaker 2: worst records in the American League with maybe the best
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  Speaker 2: roster in the American League. Again, he can't survive that.
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  Speaker 2: As much as I like Kevin Seizer, you know, for
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  Speaker 2: all the Dan Wilson's so nice, Kevin Seitzer's nicer, He's
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  Speaker 2: not gonna survive this. He's not going to and he's
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  Speaker 2: got a much better track record as being a hitting
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  Speaker 2: coach than Dan Wilson does as a manager. He can't
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  Speaker 2: survive this.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, Dan Wilson was never a manager before this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So I do blame the offense. And once
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  Speaker 2: again it was the problem that you can only score
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  Speaker 2: one run on three hits in the game last night,
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  Speaker 2: and once you were down, I mean you could just
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  Speaker 2: see the defeat once you fell behind by two runs
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  Speaker 2: or more. This team's cooked. That's the way that they've
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  Speaker 2: played pretty much all season long to this point. But
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  Speaker 2: we do that does not excuse it. In matter of fact,
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  Speaker 2: it highlights the importance of a manager when you can't
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  Speaker 2: score runs and every single run is precious and you
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  Speaker 2: know you're not going to put many runs on the
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  Speaker 2: board from night tonight. You got to treat this thing like, man,
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  Speaker 2: we've got to win this one. Nothing. And I get that.
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  Speaker 2: Apparently gave Spires not available last night. How he's not available?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, what did you do? Did you in you're
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  Speaker 2: two days off of your suspension? Did you help a
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  Speaker 2: neighbor move? Yeah?
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  Speaker 8: Hardcore, Parkore, I don't get it. Well, yeah, how is
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  Speaker 8: he not available? But I guess he's not available. But
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  Speaker 8: even though he's not available, this is the time of year,
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  Speaker 8: this is the desperation you're in that you have to
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  Speaker 8: break the mold of how you've been doing things for
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  Speaker 8: the long term.
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  Speaker 2: You have to win that night. The only way to
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  Speaker 2: create a streak is to win a game.
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  Speaker 7: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: And Jose Ferrer has not been good as of late,
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  Speaker 2: but last night he looked like he could strike out
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  Speaker 2: the twelve Disciples like he looked like he was locked in.
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  Speaker 2: And they have a lefty dominated lineup, which you know
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  Speaker 2: doesn't take a talk show hos to do a Yankee
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  Speaker 2: preview and tell you they have seven left handed hitters
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  Speaker 2: in their lineup. So you don't have Gabe Spire, You've
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  Speaker 2: got a horse in Ferrer. He's had two three days
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  Speaker 2: off and I know he hasn't been good lately, but
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  Speaker 2: when he's pitching great and you don't have another lefty
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  Speaker 2: in the pen, you ride that horse. And if Aaron
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  Speaker 2: Boone Pinch hits with a right handed hitter, then you
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  Speaker 2: go to Domingez. Dominguez has been phenomenal this year against righty's.
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  Speaker 2: That's when make make them. You dictate the terms. All
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  Speaker 2: season long, he's let the other manager dictate what he's
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  Speaker 2: gonna do. And so you just played right into Aaron
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  Speaker 2: Boone's hands. He didn't have to pinch hit, he didn't
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  Speaker 2: have to do anything. Oh my gosh, you're going to
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  Speaker 2: your mop up guy in the sixth inning up one run,
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  Speaker 2: thank you. Yeah. And I don't have to I don't
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  Speaker 2: have to take my big lefties out of the lineup
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  Speaker 2: at all. And I don't have to face that horse
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  Speaker 2: who was mowing us down for sixteen pitches in the
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  Speaker 2: last half inning. Let him go a couple if they
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  Speaker 2: don't pinch hit now he goes in inning and two thirds?
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  Speaker 2: Is that gonna kill Jose Ferrer. I'll say another thing.
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  Speaker 2: I'll say this about Jerry and Justin Kate Anderson. If
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  Speaker 2: you don't have Gabe Spiers got to be activated for
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  Speaker 2: this series. You're facing a team with seven lefties in
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  Speaker 2: their lineup. You've got a guy down in Double A
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  Speaker 2: who is toying with minor league hitters and is not
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  Speaker 2: getting challenged in any way. You know you're going to
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  Speaker 2: bring him up at some point this season. Why wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: it be now? Why wouldn't it be in this moment?
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  Speaker 2: Is it not desperation time for the Mariners right? Why
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't you bring in if you don't have another lefty
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  Speaker 2: and you're getting ready for a road trip that is
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  Speaker 2: going to determine whether or not you can save this season.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, why are you this secret weapon that you've
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  Speaker 2: been holding up with, holding up with this entire year.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's like getting to the end of the
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  Speaker 2: Avengers and Thanos finally gets the five Stones and then
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  Speaker 2: he just leaves the glove on top of his car
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  Speaker 2: as he's you know, and drives away and it rolls
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  Speaker 2: off into the ditch. Like you have this secret weapon
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  Speaker 2: and you're going to let the season get away before
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  Speaker 2: you ever even use it. Why wouldn't you have used him?
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  Speaker 2: And then let's get to Rucker. I don't get the infatuation.
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  Speaker 2: And look, I'm not saying he doesn't have a spot
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  Speaker 2: on a major league roster. Fine, he's been phenomenal in
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  Speaker 2: mop up situations, not phenomenal, really good. You have to
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  Speaker 2: have mop up guys and then you have leverage guys.
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  Speaker 2: And Michael Rucker has proven to you statistically, I have
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  Speaker 2: the data. He is nothing more than a mop up guy,
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  Speaker 2: a good one. When he enters a game in the
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  Speaker 2: last two months, when the team is out of it,
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  Speaker 2: either they're up big or in most cases, down big.
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  Speaker 2: He's had ten appearances with that ten and a third innings,
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  Speaker 2: he's allowed three earned runs, and he's allowed ten hits
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  Speaker 2: ten base runners. That's less than one base runner per inning. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's that's a mop up guy. Hey, eat some innings
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  Speaker 2: for us so that we don't have to use our
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  Speaker 2: best guys to try to get through this game tonight
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  Speaker 2: that we know we've already won or we know we've
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  Speaker 2: already lost. That's a mop up guy. That's what Michael
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  Speaker 2: Rutger is what he is not. And I implore all
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  Speaker 2: of you that keeps sending me messages about Rutger's numbers
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  Speaker 2: have actually been pretty good. I beg you, I beg
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  Speaker 2: you please look one layer deeper than the surface. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: if you're going to start a fight, I got guns,
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  Speaker 2: don't bring a knife. Michael Rutger in close games this
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  Speaker 2: year in the last month and a half, six and
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  Speaker 2: two thirds innings and seven appearances, eight runs allowed and
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  Speaker 2: fourteen base runners. Now, three of those runs were unearned.
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  Speaker 2: But let's not give Michael Rutcker too much credit there.
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  Speaker 2: If you take away the unearned run, if just say runs.
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  Speaker 2: He'd have an ERA of ten point eight zero in
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  Speaker 2: close games, and he's allowed fourteen base runners and six
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  Speaker 2: and two thirds innings when he's brought in in a
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: close game like that. Is not a high leverage guy,
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: and Dan Wilson has turned him into one. How do
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: you go to Michael Rucker? There? Again, it defies logic,
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: it defies statistics. That's not even analytics. You're not even
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: you're not even banking on your analytics at that point.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: There is no way that Michael Rutgers the choice there
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: getting ready to face two left handed hitters after Brian
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Wu comes out, stick with WU'SCA, you're down a guy.
• 18:38
  Speaker 6: Well, and you're at the point of the season, right,
• 18:40
  Speaker 6: he is at ninety two pitches. Why wouldn't you put
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: him in and see if you can get out of
• 18:43
  Speaker 6: one more inning or two thirds of an inn? Yeah,
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: just something you gotta get twenty seven outs? Yeah, and
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: you you apparently were down a.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Guy, which you never told anybody about. And here's Brian
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: Wu on a roll after the thirty pitch first inning.
• 19:03
  Speaker 7: Finally on a roll on the road.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Yes, if you're that desperate, see if you can steal
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: an out or two. Maybe you have a quick inning,
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: maybe and maybe you get to skip Rucker entirely. But nope.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Dan Wilson loves Michael Rutger. There's no getting around it.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: He thinks he's great and the numbers suggest he's not.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: And I'm sure they're simple.
• 19:30
  Speaker 7: I'm sure he's a nice guy and he thinks he's
• 19:32
  Speaker 7: great because of that.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, But yeah, but that's just it. Nice guy.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: I just keep hearing nice guy. Is that what we're doing?
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: We're just trying to run a nice guy organization here.
• 19:42
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: Let's get some Let's get some ballers in here. Let's
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: got get guys that have already set an edge. Let's
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: get a manager who knows how to set an edge.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: One hundred and twenty five games into the season, and
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: now we're going to start playing with an edge. All right,
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: Let's find out what's on tap?
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• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Yankees win four to one over the Mariners last night,
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: fifty six and sixty four. The record now four and
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: a half games back of the Astros, four back in
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: the wildcard. In this I mentioned only three teams in
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: the American League with a worst record now than the
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Seattle Mariners. And so tonight they'll play again four pm
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: at Yankee Stadium. Bryce Miller will go against Will Warren.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: That is a battle of two right handers. First pitch
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: again at four to five Mariner morning after coming up
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: at six thirty. And of course we're gonna talk more
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: about this later on in the show. What should have
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: been our lead story was the Hard Knocks episode two,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: where some interesting things came out about Terry and Arnold
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: and Nick, Eamon Worri and all sorts of culture. I mean,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: it was just a show about highlighting, showcasing the culture
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: of this organization, which I found fascinating. I don't know
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: of other fans of other teams found it as fascinating,
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: but my goodness, that's what that episode was about yesterday,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: and then the Terry and Arnold story at the very end,
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: we'll ask Greg Bell about it. At seven oh five,
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: it's game week for Seahawks. Training camp. We count down
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: the days till Saturday against the Dallas Cowboys at home,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: and they'll kick that thing off. F five o'clock NFL News.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Kobe Bryant, former Seahawk, now Chicago Bear, looks like he's
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: not even gonna play this year. He is out for
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: the season or at least four to six months, which
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: likely puts his season in peril. And the Vikings named
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Kyler Murray their starting quarterback. Didn't take them very long
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: to determine Murray is better than JJ McCarthy, so he'll start.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: That says a lot too, not just the naming of Murray,
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: but it says a lot about McCarthy that the competition
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: is already over. An Husky's camp continues as well, and
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: we're gonna spend a lot of time on that tomorrow.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Coming up next though, Mariners Morning after the details of
• 22:13
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  Speaker 6: M s.
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: The trajectory of this thy might now where's it at?
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: And the worst leave? I mean it's not good.
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: I'm like, well, uh, you know that's for me, you know,
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: I'm a whole self.
• 22:38
  Speaker 9: That's uh, this is what it just gotta got one
• 22:41
  Speaker 9: way to be better and to hope, you know, bring
• 22:44
  Speaker 9: it off.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: That long, and they, uh, who's got a player?
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: I mean, ultimately we're just playing very very that's.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Well, Hey, great Wednesday morning to you. Happy hum Day.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: It is Chuck Collin, Ashley Ryan with you. That the
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: voice of cal Raleigh being peppered with questions by Ryan Davis.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Very nosy, very nosy person by nature of that guy.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: And cal Raley threw himself on the sword last night
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: after another Mariner's loss. I'm awful, he said, sadly, he's
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: not wrong, which we're going to get into a little
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: bit later on in the hour. But the Mariners did
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: lose the game, and it was a joint effort. They
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: lost to the Yankees four to one. Brian Woo was
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: sensational for five innings but was taken out after the fifth.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Jose Ferrara, even better than the sixth, was taken out
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: after the sixth. Dan Wilson brought in Michael Rucker, who
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: has struggled in these situations since birth, and the Yankees
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: scored four times in the seventh inning, and of course
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: that's way too much for the Mariners offense to over
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: come so it's another loss, four to one the final score.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: We appreciate the audio there. Do I credit anybody for
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: that kind of painting myself.
• 24:09
  Speaker 7: In that corner. This is all over the internet.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Mariners are fifty six and sixty four on the season,
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: now four and a half games back of the Houston Astros,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: four games back in the wild Card. There are only
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: three teams in the entire American League that have a
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: worse record than the Mariners right now. They will try
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: to solve their issues tonight with Bryce Miller taking the
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: mound at Yankee Stadium against right hander Will Warren first
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: pitches at four to five. We will certainly talk more
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: about the Mariners coming up a little bit later on
• 24:37
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• 24:50
  Speaker 2: to six months so could be out for the season.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: The Vikings have chosen Kyler Murray over JJ McCarthy said
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: this before. I think the real story here is how
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: early they we made that decision in camp, not that
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: they did make that decision in camp, and Seahawks training camp,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: of course continues. We get ready for a game, a
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: preseason game on Saturday at five o'clock at home against
• 25:11
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• 25:17
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• 25:44
  Speaker 2: From morning, Greg, good morning, Uh, all right, what'd you
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: think of Hard Knocks last night? Enjoy it, have a
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: good time with it?
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, man, interesting one.
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Probably the most interesting thing for me being out
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: there every day is because of the fans of most
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: of the music, we can't hear when Mike McDonald erupts,
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: we kindly see it, so it's.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: Interesting to hear it.
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And how he says what he says to Derek Hall,
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: and how he makes up to him and smooths it
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: over by the end and turns out I'm.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: The one in charge of the f and practice.
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's all little leadership, Climpson, the Mike McDonald's
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: the news of it.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, no, I'm just gonna say it's kind of
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: like getting like nobody wants to watch movies and close
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: captioning until you reach a certain age, and then all
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: of a sudden, you start watching with close captioning and
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: you can't live without it because you pick up on
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: so much more that you missed from the movie or
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: the television show. And what's odd last night is I
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: was watching Hard Knocks and I, for some reason, I
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: didn't have my close caption I had it on the
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: second TV, and I had the remote was too far
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: away from me, and I was too lazy, so I
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: didn't put on the close captioning, and and so I
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: felt I missed some stuff from the episode last night
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: not having the on, but you getting the audio that
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: goes with Mike McDonald's rants. I would imagine as like, uh,
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: like getting close captioning and realizing a big part of
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: the movie that you wish you could have heard up close.
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: In personal right, and I have a good idea now
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: after this being the third year coroom how he leads,
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: but I don't always see how he acts it out
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: and carries it out and in the moment. Yeah, I
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: definitely don't during the season because we don't have access
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: to any of the practice during the season.
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: So that is interesting to me.
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: And it's it's a carrot and stick approach in real time,
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: within the same realm of the punishment and the mending.
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: It's as a leader studies, leadership has studies, it's for
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: West Point days. It's real fascinating to me because the
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: carrot approach works only if I mean, the stick approach
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: works only if you have a carrot, and the carrot
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: approach works when you have a stick and make Ronald
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: is bitten better by the months at doing both. And
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: he was not that forceful his first year. I'm certain
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: of that, even though I wasn't hearing the practices then either.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: But now he's established one.
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: My system works, my way works, and now he knows
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: the players, and he knows when to push him and
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: how far, and he knows in his teammates for that matter,
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: know how far they can push Derek hall By now
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: he's in his fourth year. They've just given him a
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: forty two million dollar contract. They know him very well
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: and they know how far they can push him before
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: they would lose him, or that he would get ticked
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: off and just tune him out. And they also know
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: how to get him back, and McDonald in particular, and
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: that's frankly one of the reasons they chose him over
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: Boy Moffing. I mean, when you know a guy and
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: that's why you make investments like they just made me
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: off season to be able to have moments like that.
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: It also speaks to the fragility and the value of.
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: Quarterbacks in the NFL, does it not. I mean the
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: second one, he.
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: Wasn't all that close to Sam Darnold on the second one,
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: but because he had already warned him once, he used
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: that as a coaching moment. I bet looking back at
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: the tape he probably thought, well, yeah, he wasn't really
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: putting Dartold in danger that second time, but he just
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: used it as an example for the whole team that
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: if you can call out a forty two million dollars
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: starting Super Bowl champion linebacker and everybody's going to stay
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: clear of getting near the quarterback so they can avoid injury.
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: But yeah, the inside ball stuff, that was interesting. They
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: see it all the time. I just I'm trying to
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: guess at how he's dealing with and now you get
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: to see it.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, Hall has definitely come across as the star
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: of the show so far, and I think se York
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: fans will some out there pretty turned off. I don't
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: see it that way. I don't see any reason to
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: like Derek Hall less than when this show started.
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: What about you no not knowing where he came from,
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: and his whole story of being declared Medica dead when
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: he was born at two pounds nine ounces, and the
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: pass and his mother and as he told us on
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: my show, we can have for two weeks ago, now
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: the dream of buying his mother his home at her
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: new home with his rookie contract. He said, now he's
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: the second contract for the trucks. The first contract was
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: Tomma and getting her house. The second contracts for my truck.
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: And he said, she understands that. But now I find
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: Derek Call to be kind of is being portrayed in
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: these series that there's two sides there on the field.
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: He's one man and off the field, He's entirely different,
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: and I think most of the best players in the.
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: League have to be that way for the job they
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: have to do.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: All right, what was the other thing that stood out
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: to you? I cut you off earlier, and I'm really
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: curious where you were going with that.
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: Well, the news. I always I'm starting to say, Okay,
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: here's the entertainment or the insight part, but then what's
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: the news of it? Last week, the news of it
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: was a camera and Devin Wildspooon's car and he got
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: to just do a monologue about his contract with no
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: questions asked, and we can get through the questions asked
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: yesterday we did.
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think that's maybe that statement right there
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: is all that we're talking about. He doesn't say about it.
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: Tara and Donold they went into depth that I didn't
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: think they were going to go. But now it puts
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: in the context the Mike McDonald comments to me when
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: I asked him in the press conference on Monday about it,
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: he was expansive to us, and we were all surprised
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: that he was that expansive, but he knew it was
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: about to be on national television, So credit him for
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: not giving me and everybody else just well, yeah, we're
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: in on everything.
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: And move on. Watch it on HBO.
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: But I mean, that's basically what Devil Wathers Food said
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: yesterday his contract. If you want to learn about Devin
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: Wiersmon's contract, you have to subscribe to HBO. But McDonald
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: told us before the program pretty much what we found
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: out yesterday.
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: But it was interesting.
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: I thought the Snyder's in the GM's office talking.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: About, Hey, can you dive into.
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: What other controversial acquisitions there have been in the NFL.
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: Snyder's already preparing for the blowback. He's already preparing for
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: the controversy. It was also very interesting and telling. If
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: you had to close captions on, maybe you didn't catch it.
• 32:15
  Speaker 10: Yea.
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: They had a tarry On Arnold magnet on the depth chart.
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: It was the only magnet that the name wasn't blurred
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: out for. That was very intentional by the Seahawks. Remember,
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: the Seahawks get about thirty six hours before the show airs.
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: They get a chance to review it and object to
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: anything they find to be too revealing or losing a
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: competitive edge. They wanted tarry On Arnold's name on that magnet.
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: The magnet is askew diagonal, just immediately to the left
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: of the rest the cornerbacks who are already on the roster.
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: The Seas have gone so far as to make a
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: magnet and project him where he would go on the
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: depth chart, as in the top of it at the
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: right cornerback. I found that very intention all. They want
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: Arnold in his camp to know that the Seahawks are
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: very much wanting him to sign here, and it's also
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: intentional to the rest of the league. And Arnold's representatives
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: have to love that because that's leverage for the New
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: York Giants, who Arnold visiting today, the Saints, who he
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: visited yesterday.
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: To drive up his price.
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: It's been thought, because of his eight felonies he's facing
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: and the fact that he has an arraignment tomorrow, that
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: he would if he does sign is allowed to sign
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: in the legal system allows him to in Florida that
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: he would sign for just above the league minimum or
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: near it. But now the agents can play the Seahawks
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: off of everybody else that they go visit to try
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: to drive his price up, and maybe even drive his price.
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: Up with the Seahawks.
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: But there's no doubt this is not just kicking the
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: tires in this video the film with him doing the
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: workout inside and McDonald watching intently.
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: With that and dirty and all of that.
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: So there's a lot to that, and I thought it
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: was very intentional by the Seahawks on how that was.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Portrayed at this stage in their relationship. Did they have
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: to both be completely on board with something like this,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Mike and John or does John get to make a
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: call because he's technically outranks Mike McDonald in the organization.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Because my read on it, Greg was that John's trying
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: to figure out how to do this and how to
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: do it without rankling the twelves, and Mike's like, I'm
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: not sure we need to do this. That's kind of
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: the look. That's what I read into it. That might
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: be completely unfair, but that's what I read into it.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: So I would just ask, would they both have to
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: just say we both have to be one hundred percent
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: in on this if we're going to do it.
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: In this case, yes, not all cases, but in this
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: case yes. In fact, i'd go so far to say
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: that new ownership needs to be involved in this, yeah,
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: because they're the ones Gonn be inheriting this.
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: What's tricky about that is the new ownership technically is
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: not allowed to be in the building or technically, by
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: NFL rules, not allowed to be involved in anything Seahawks
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: not until the sale is approved, but until the money
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: transaction goes through.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: Un they approved sale. The vote is August.
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: Twenty sixth in Atlanta of all the team owners. It's
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: expected to pass that day. But nine point six billion dollars.
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: You don't just wire this to the local Western Union office.
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: This takes a little bit of time and the lawyers
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: and the vetting of the counts and the investors and
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: the co investors and minority investors, all of that. So
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: it's not gonna be August twenty sixth at five pm
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: that this is done deal and the Cosalis move in
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: and take over. So I don't know how that'll. They
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: have to be be consulted some way. They have to
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: be improving this in some way. You don't allow new
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: owners to pay ten almost ten billion dollars for your franchise.
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: And then, oh, by the way, we just signed a
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: guy that's facing eight felonies in Florida.
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: How do you deal with that? Thanks? No, you have
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: to that have approved by the sale.
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: I think that there's a little bit of fudging of
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: the NFL rules if in fact it's a black and
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: white they can't do anything until the sale's approved and
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: transaction that's done here. But in the foot Snyders knows
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: that McDonald and he's earned this. McDonald already has that
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: anything to do with his defense, McDonald needs to be
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: all on board with He's not going to import anything
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: to that defense without McDonald's approval of it. Not to
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: mention McDonald's culture and what he's built in that locker
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: room that.
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: I think is the overriding factor here.
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: Yes, that his GM wants to make sure his coach
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: is okay with everything that he's built inside that locker
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: room that he doesn't think Arnold upsets that, which is
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: why Snyder went into McDonald's office as portrayed in the
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: episode last night, to say that Jalen Milroe, Arnold's Alabama teammate,
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: vouches for him and thinks it's going to work out
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: great up here. That was the GM appealing to the
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: coach's locker room culture side of this equation.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: Did you learn anything last night about Emon Warrior or
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: did you already have the up to date information.
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: I didn't because what's interesting about The Hard Knocks that
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: everyone gets to see is that the footage is no
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: later than a couple of days before the production before
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: the actual airing, right because it has to go through
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: the editing process. For instance, last week, the viewers saw
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: him in a walking boot and a stroll and a scooter,
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: and fans were alarmed, And in fact, that was about
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: a week and a half old footage, and we had
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: seen him walking around in crocs or he called him canes.
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: They're different than crocs, so we had seen him beyond that,
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: and that's in just a week and a half. Yesterday
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: I saw him in flat court shoes and T shirt
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: and shorts doing pass rush drills on the field. It
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: was spin rip moves and spin moves with an assistant.
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: He hadn't done that before he passed the physical yesterday,
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: which wasn't in the episode. He's now cleared to come
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: back to practice whenever he and the team thinks he's
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: ready to do it. And he was on the field
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: doing football work for the first time, So that's advanced
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: beyond what the editing process of the Hard Knocks was
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: so yeah in this case and this how these seems
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: to be healing well by the day. The Hard Knocks
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: episode is a few days behind reality there.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: All right, what else we got in the Greg Bell
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: notebook here to wrap up our session today?
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: Well, Jackson Smith and Jigba is just proving every day
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: to be a great route runner against some of the
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: best in the league. He is going head to head
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: with Devin Witherspoon every day, and yesterday he beat him
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: again with a beautiful outside release move and a perfect
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: pass by Sam Donald over the outside shoulder of the cornerback,
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: and once again and an adjustment on the ball in
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: the air and body controlled near the goal line. There
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: was an underthrown pass by Donald that Smith and jigbab
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: beat Witherspoon on because of his body control. And I
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: tell you, if he's like a basketball player boxing out
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: for a rebound and he's not that big as a
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: stature and body size to do it. Witherson was slapping
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: his hands together pretty upset about it. Wyersvin didn't want
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: anything to do with my question about where he views
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: the contract situation as it stands right now, so he's
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: going to leave his monologue to hard knocks last week
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: to stand for that.
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: He did talk a little bit about why.
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: He's still practicing full go instead of holding in, and
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: he said that he focused on getting better and he
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: wants to be getting better with his.
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: Guys and all of that.
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: Jake Bobo came back to practice yesterday in full scrimmaging
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: for the first time. Julian Neil, the third round cornerback,
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: was on a side field. He's still been about two
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: weeks from fully practicing the leg injury. Zach Charmonay had
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: a resistance machine rope tied to his waist while he
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: was doing lateral moves on the backfield, and next to
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: him was Jedarian Price, and Price was doing straight line
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: ten twenty yard sprints. He was doing diagonal sprints. The
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: most important action of the practice yesterday happened on a
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: backfield and wasn't even anything to do with the practice.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: I broke up a little bit there at the end.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: But okay, cool, all right, Greg, thank you. I appreciate
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: it what he got. At ten o'clock.
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: Today, you just sounded like my wife when I tell
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: her about my day.
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, cool.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: Well, I was like up against the clock and so
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: I'm like, do I follow because you broke up like
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: a little bit and my headsets there and I'm like,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: did I hear that right at the end? And I mean,
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: do I have time to explore that? And now that
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: I've explained all of this, I probably had time to
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: explore it.
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: That was I know Wendy's listening, honey. That sounds like
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: your eyes gloss over when I tell you about things
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: you don't care about. At eleven o'clock, we're going to
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: talk about our buddy, Wendy's buddy farm Logy TSN Canada
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: at the training camps he's been through and he's heading
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: to more this week, including Kenneth Walker and the Chiefs.
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: We'll talk to him at eleven o'clock and we'll get
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: more into this Terry on Arnold. We'll talk about what
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: I think is a lack of in the clubhouse leadership
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: from the Mariners, and we saw a glimpse of the
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: much needed leadership they need last night by Raley just
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: learning it for the entire organization and impromptu press conference
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: outside the clubhouse at Yankee Stadium will play his comments,
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: including the one that said he's awful right now, I'm
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: sure you've talked about it.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, we've talked about We're going to play at
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: eight thirty, so hopefully that that doesn't interfere with your
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: audience there. All right, man, thank you, We appreciate we'll
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: we'll be listening at ten.
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: Okay, thanks sir.
• 41:22
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Greg Bell our Seahawks insider. Of course I've been covering
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: the Seahawks for the News Tribune for over twenty years.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Of course you should be following him at GBL Seattle,
• 41:31
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• 41:33
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• 41:41
  Speaker 2: So good stuff, a lot of information and of course
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: hard knocks reaction, which Ashley and I have a boatload
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: of more hard knocks reaction coming your way at at
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: eight o'clock. But coming up next, back to those Mariners,
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: ABC's of the MS Sports Radio ninety three point three
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: KJRFM and last night to the New York Yankees four
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: to one, the final score, no offense, questionable managerial decisions.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: The beat just goes on for the twenty twenty six Mariners,
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: who we keep finding new ways to have a low
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: point in their season. Eight games under five hundred right now.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Never dreamt that they would be there. We'll recap the
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: game for you with Baseball Brunch coming up at eight thirty.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: But the alphabet, you never know where it's going to
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: lead you, and so we are at the tail end.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: I'm going to try to get in the last four
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: letters of the alphabet here in the ABCS. We left
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: off of W and W is for Wu, who was
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: really good last night, and it was great to see
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: somebody that had to dig deep in that first inning.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: That's the kind of inning that it might slip away
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: from him. We've seen it slip away from him on
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: the road. He's not these road woes that he has.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: It usually comes down to like one inning where it
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: gets away from him, and it usually follows either a
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: bluep pit or a bad defensive play or a play
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: that maybe maybe not an error, but you know you're
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: sitting on the mountain like you should have had this.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: I should have been out of this inning. Here we
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: go again. But Brian Wu dug deep in that first inning,
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: got the job done, so good for him. And I
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: would just point out this one other thing about it.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: W is for win For those who just entirely go
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: into analytics and don't like anything like wins and RBI
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: and bunting and stuff like that, Yeah, wins don't matter.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: Do you see that Brian Wu handed Randy a rose
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: arena the trident last night at the top step because
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: he knew his day was done and he knew a
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: rose arena gave him a chance to get a win. Yep,
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: it does matter to pictures, So if it matters to
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: active pictures, then it does matter a little bit.
• 43:52
  Speaker 7: I think, yes, it does matter.
• 43:54
  Speaker 6: And I had when he was pitching so well, because
• 43:56
  Speaker 6: that was the thing I was most nervous about.
• 43:58
  Speaker 7: It is Wu going to finally get rid of his road,
• 44:01
  Speaker 7: his road woes, road wows, his road woes. And he
• 44:05
  Speaker 7: did and I was like, Okay, this is great.
• 44:07
  Speaker 6: But then of course, yeah, our offense can't come through
• 44:10
  Speaker 6: and that was so disappointing.
• 44:11
  Speaker 7: He had a different look on his face last night, too,
• 44:13
  Speaker 7: did you.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, he.
• 44:14
  Speaker 6: Looked it was like not a scowl, but it was
• 44:18
  Speaker 6: there was no relaxation in his face. Ever when he
• 44:21
  Speaker 6: was out there on the field, it was I have
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: got to do this, Yeah, I have got to overcome this,
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: and I am I mean, that was focus.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: But I think Dave appropriately pointed out last night that
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: even in that one inning he was missing, he was
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: missing the edges. And that's where Brian wu I mean,
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: he's always at the rails and always at.
• 44:43
  Speaker 7: The edges and keeping the whales.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And so he he wasn't one hundred percent
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: on his game last night, but he got out of
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: that harm yep and then was able to be WU
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: like from that point forward. So that was good to see,
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: certainly the highlight of the low point excess for explanation
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: at this point, I just need an explanation. I mean,
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: I love the challenge ABS challenge system that we have.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: I love the manager as the ability to challenge plays
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: in the field. If you have this technology, you're a
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: fool for not being using I think we now all
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: know that. Now we've been foolish for not using this
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: over the years, and now I can't even imagine life
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: without it. And yet when we launched this, in my head,
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: I thought what a great advantage. I never dreamt that
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: it would be such a disadvantage to our baseball team.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: We are just stone cold horrible at ABS challenge. And
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: look when you look at the numbers, like challenges one
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: fifty two this year versus challenges lost sixty eight, and
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: that that's already indicative of what I'm talking about. But
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: there are teams. There have been seven teams with fewer
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: challenges one than what the Mariners have, So we're not
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: the worst in that area. Challenges lost sixty eight, twenty
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: second ranked. There are percentage forty three percent. This is
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: at home, this is at the plate, twenty seventh, so
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: not bad. Yeah, but there are a couple teams that
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: are worse. League average, by the way, is forty eight percent,
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: which indicates hitters, you're not as good as the umpires.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: After all. Catchers are better, Yeah, but hitters aren't better
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: than the umpires after all at knowing the strike zone.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: So forty eight percent of the challenges have been unsuccessful
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: or have been successful. The Mariners are forty three, so
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: we're five percentage points below. So bad then, and then
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: on the other side, when our catchers and our pitchers
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: challenge things, we're twenty third. We've had sixty eight overturns
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: as opposed to the leader having one hundred and sixteen,
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: which shows you we're not that aggressive at it. Yeah,
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: and when we have been successful, it's usually been Garver
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: because Garver was one of the best at it's very good,
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: and we don't have him anymore. So those are just
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: the factors that they give us. What it doesn't factor in, though,
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: the statistics, because we're new to this abs challenge, or
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: at least I haven't found a site that has these statistics. Well,
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: it doesn't factor in is plays that should have been
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: challenged and weren't, and stupid challenges that were not only
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: missed but poorly timed. And I think we're horrible. We
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: got to be dead last in both of those elements. Yeah.
• 47:49
  Speaker 6: Well, I was thinking last night in the fifth inning
• 47:51
  Speaker 6: when that strike, that was the strike on the lower end,
• 47:53
  Speaker 6: and Cal.
• 47:54
  Speaker 7: Kind of thought about, how do you not challenge?
• 47:56
  Speaker 6: And then he didn't challenge it and luckily we got
• 47:58
  Speaker 6: out of the inning there, I mean luckily they got
• 47:59
  Speaker 6: that out at first and everything was fine, But that
• 48:04
  Speaker 6: was I mean, Cal's got to have more confidence in
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: that in himself.
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: There.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: He doesn't have any confidence in himself at all. Yeah,
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: at anything right now. I know he should be the
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: best in the business at this, but he's even bad
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: at this right now, he wasn't earlier in this.
• 48:16
  Speaker 6: No, I think he's just two in his head over everything,
• 48:19
  Speaker 6: over everything.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, even at the plate. He's terrible at the plate
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: and challenging. But all of our hitters are. We saw
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: cold Emerson again in the ninth inning the other day
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: when we're down two, we've got two challenges remaining. The
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: guy clearly throws a ball outside it's two oh, and
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: he doesn't even challenge it. We've got two. Why are
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: you not challenging that? Last night? You're right, the wo
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: one was egregious. Like we're counting pitches here. If there's
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: any chance of him staying in the game, we got
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: to keep his pitch count low. He had two strikes
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: on the battery, he had two balls on the battery.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: You want to go to a three to two count,
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: that's the time to challenge it. We might have struck
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: that guy out. He's out at the inning, and maybe
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: he can pitch a seton yep, And instead we don't.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: And you could tell Wu was bothered. WU knew it
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: was a strike, but that's Cal's call. And Cal doesn't
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: challenge what was an obvious strike at the knees. We're
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: terrible at it, and I got to get an explanation
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: from someone this offseason.
• 49:18
  Speaker 7: Good luck.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: Why we're so bad at it? Yeah, I mean we're
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: bad at every We're bad at challenging, We're bad at
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: not challenging.
• 49:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah, we're bad at the reason so uncomfortable thing.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're bad at when we challenge. We're we're bad
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: when we don't challenge. I don't understand. Somebody's gonna have
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: to explain it to me. How we could be given
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: this gift from the technology gods and we thought it
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: would help us and it I guess that makes sense.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: Though some teams are good at it and got helped
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: by it, and some teams are bad at it and
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: got hurt by it. We got hurt by it. We
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: got hurt by abs challenge this year because of how
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: terrible we are across the board.
• 50:00
  Speaker 7: Yeah that sounds about right. I hate that.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Why is for year Ender led the show with this.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: It did feel to me like the season's over. It
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: did last night. It's not. I know a lot of time.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: I mean month and a half left, four and a
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: half game deficit, four in the wild Card. It's not.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: But It's just really hard for me to believe that
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: the team I've been watching play baseball as of late
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: is going to suddenly summon a hot streak.
• 50:31
  Speaker 7: I don't know where it comes from.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: Really hard to believe. So it kind of feels like
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: a funeral here this morning for the twenty twenty six Mariners.
• 50:39
  Speaker 7: From my perspective, well, and I understand that.
• 50:41
  Speaker 6: I mean, you know me, I'm gonna be subornly optimistic
• 50:43
  Speaker 6: all the way till the end, even though it's gonna.
• 50:44
  Speaker 7: Kill me all the way till the end.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: Good I want you to be.
• 50:46
  Speaker 6: But I don't know where that hot streak comes from,
• 50:49
  Speaker 6: because I don't know how just all of a sudden,
• 50:52
  Speaker 6: someone's gonna like, let's take Cal for example, how all
• 50:56
  Speaker 6: of a sudden he's gonna walk out tonight and be like,
• 50:58
  Speaker 6: you know what.
• 50:58
  Speaker 7: I figured it out. Let's go.
• 51:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I want that to happen. But I don't know how.
• 51:04
  Speaker 6: I mean, I I don't. There's no magic.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah you can't. There's no pick pixie dust that's going
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: to be sprinkled over this team. They got to do
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: it themselves. Finally, just to close out the alphabet Z
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: is for Zenino earlier this year when Cal came off
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: the injury list and we landed at Z in the
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: ABC's Z was for Zenino, and I said that he's
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: basically no more than Mike Zanino at this point in
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: the season. He wishes he was Mike Sanino at this
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: point of the season.
• 51:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I hate this.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: I do too, and I don't even want to pick
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: on Mike Zanino, but I realized, as I'm putting together
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: the alphabet, what an insult Cal's season this year is
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: to Mike Zanino, who's not a bad player. Cal's been
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: a bad player, and unfortunately, it's time to call him
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: out and reckless. At Breakfast Next Sports Radio ninety three
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: point three KJRFM at Hard Knocks coming up eight o'clock,
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: So we're going to talk about episode two. We'll get
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: away from baseball for a little bit. But Yeah, it
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: just seems like really heavy day to be talking about
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: the Mariners, and maybe it's time to finally call this
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: thing out. We've been ignoring it. It's been an eyesore
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: in our corner. But it's time to call this out.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: And I don't I have some reluctance in doing it,
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: because I do have faith in the long term for
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: the rest of his career. And I do like him
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: so much, and I know that he's precious to the
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: Seattle sports scene. He will remain precious, and I think
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: he will once again be a star. But if we
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: are going to go all in the previous year in
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: regards to how great cal Raley is, and we're going
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: to go have fights in bars and with Yankee fans
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: over he should be the MVP over Aaron Judge, where
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: I spent a lot of time on that, and we're
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: going to say here that he is the best player
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: in the American League in twenty twenty five, and we're
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: gonna do that well with vigor. Then when he has
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: the type of season that he's having this year, then
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: I think I owe it to my conscience to call
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: him out for how bad he's been this season. And
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: it is remarkable how bad he's been this season, Like
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: he might be the worst player in the American League.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: Oh man, to go from the best player in the
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: American League too, I mean, that has never happened in
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: the history of sports. That's never happened that you are
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: the best one year and rock bottom the very next.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: And I do believe he brings some intangibles to the
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: field which separate him from being the worst player in
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: the American League. I think he'll always carry those, and
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: he does carry those. He is hitting one fifty nine.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: He doesn't qualify for the batting title because of the
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: time he missed with injury. But right now, of the
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty one hitters in all of Major
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: League Baseball, only one hundred and fifty one of them
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: would qualify for the batting title. Have enough at bats
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: to qualify for the batting title. The lowest batting average
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: is two oh two. Oh Man, that is a forty
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: three point gap between the worst qualified batting average hitter
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: in the sport and the face of our franchise. To
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: find a gap to go up the ladder, you got
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: to go all the way up to two forty five hitters.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: So there are ninety three hitters ninety four hitters in
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: Major League Baseball hitting two forty six or better. So
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: that means what was a one to fifty one to
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: ninety five, So that's fifty one fifty six hitters, fifty
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: six hitters the lowest batting average hitters this year in
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: Major League Baseball. The gap between the worst and the
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: fifty sixth worst a third of the league. The gap
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: is the same as the worst hitter.
• 55:24
  Speaker 7: And cal Rawley, Well, I don't like that.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: Think about that.
• 55:29
  Speaker 7: No, I don't like it.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: I mean it's atrocious. And then let's tack on the defense,
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: because he hasn't been good to defense either this year.
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: Like right now, Baseball Savant says he is in the
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: lowest one percentage of offensive producers in the entire sport.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: And it doesn't really clarify if he's absolute worst, it
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: just says bottom one percent defensively, he's not much better
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: in the bottom ten defensively metrics, not just of catchers,
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: of all position players. Really his caught stealing because there's
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: caught stealing and a lot of that can be blamed
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: on pitchers, but is caught stealing percentages like, you know,
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: caught stealing above average. You know how they do that
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: with war you know, wins above replacement. So they factor
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: in all the numbers and then they try to figure
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: out just how many bases have been stolen on you
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: and the value you bring in that area. Sixty fifth.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: There aren't sixty five catchers in Major League baseball. That's
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: not sixty fifth, So he's been worse at throwing out
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: base runners this year than many guys that are right
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: now in Triple A, numerous ones. I mean, we love him,
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: We'll always love him. I'm going to keep on loving him,
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: There's no question about it. And I think it will
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: bounce back next year. I think he's going to have
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: an awakening and I think he's going to have a
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: completely different routine, and I think that he will destroy
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: himself before he comes back and has another year like this.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: But how on earth could anyone have planned for this?
• 57:25
  Speaker 7: No one could have.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: I mean he no one. I'm hard on Dan. There's
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: no way that Dan could prepare for cal Raleigh to
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: be the face of the franchise, heart of the order,
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: the heartbeat of the entire organization, and then one year
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: later be talking about, is our catcher the worst player
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: in this league right now?
• 57:44
  Speaker 6: I mean, if anyone predicted that or tries to be like, oh,
• 57:47
  Speaker 6: I knew he was going to fall off, we shouldn't
• 57:48
  Speaker 6: have signed him to it.
• 57:49
  Speaker 7: I mean, that's bs.
• 57:50
  Speaker 6: You absolutely should have given the contract he gave him
• 57:53
  Speaker 6: after last year, I agree, And there's a lot of
• 57:54
  Speaker 6: people that are the same.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 57:56
  Speaker 6: Oh, and this was the guy that was in the
• 57:58
  Speaker 6: argument for you know AL MVP. Yeah he was, but
• 58:01
  Speaker 6: that was on the last season. You don't pick an
• 58:03
  Speaker 6: AL or NL MVP based on a look at two seasons.
• 58:07
  Speaker 7: I mean, that's why it's.
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: He should have won the award last year.
• 58:11
  Speaker 7: And he had a very valid argument.
• 58:13
  Speaker 6: So you can't use that to then talk about what's
• 58:14
  Speaker 6: happening now other than to say it is shocking.
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: It is beyond shocking. It is probably the biggest drop
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: off from one year to the next of anyone that's
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: ever played professional sports.
• 58:27
  Speaker 7: I hate it. I just feel so sad.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: And so when he says, and we will play the audio,
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: I'm awful. He is. He has been awful now. Like
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: I said, he brings other things to the table that
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: can't be measured. And the team, for the most part,
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: I think adores him, and I think he'll bounce back
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: next season, and I think that that contract they signed
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: him signed him to will be worth it in the
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: long run. But it, I mean, in terms of shocking
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: things that have happened in the sports world in my lifetime,
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: this is about as big of a shock as anything
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: I've ever experienced. The best player in the American League.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: One year later is the worst player in the American League. Yeah,
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know, how did that happen? Why did that happen?
• 59:20
  Speaker 7: Wish we had answers?
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: Sad? Yeah, all right, Hard Knocks Next Sports Radio ninety
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: three point three KJRFM. My name is Chuck Powell, Ashley
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: Ryan with you as well til ten o'clock this morning.
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: A lot of baseball things to discuss today, nothing pleasant,
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: and a lot of Seahawks stuff to talk about today,
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: and most of that usually is pleasant. But if there
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: is one thing making people uncomfortable around these here on
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: ponds about our world champs, it is whether or not
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: we should or shouldn't pursue this Terry and Arnold thing.
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: So good morning to you. Hard Knocks. Episode two did
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: the air last night. And again I think I say
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: this because I think some people are like, I'm taping that.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: Don't ruin it for me, Serry, this is like a
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: major even this is like a game. I mean, I
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: can't after a Seahawks game come on Monday morning and
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: be like, just in case somebody wants to watch it
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: later on today. Yeah, well, we want to.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 6: Ask you any questions about how Sam Donald did because
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 6: someone might wanna might not have been able to watch
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 6: it yesterday.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, be careful how you say this year. We don't
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: want to give anything away.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah, we don't want tell him who won or how
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 7: Sam did.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: So yeah, we're gonna have to treat this like a game.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: So here we are talking about hard Knocks, which I
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: think the episode as a whole was really just showcasing
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: Seahawks culture, how great Mike McDonald has made it. The
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: type of leader Mike McDonald is, which right now, I mean,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: who doesn't want that guy? Who doesn't want that guy
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: as your leader? You know, the guy that's going to
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: tell you how it's going to be done. He's in control.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: He makes that very clear. He gives you all sorts
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: of a long rope to be yourself. He will pull
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: it when he needs to. He will be firm about it,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: he will be direct about it, and then he'll circle
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: back and tell you all as well, you know, I
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: got to do this sort of thing. I love you,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: you know that. I mean, that is like as good
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: as it gets. And I don't know how many books
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: he's read, or how many people he's been around, and
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: how many nuggets that he's stolen from other people in
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: his life that have been leaders to him. But whatever
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: he did to get to this point, my gosh, are
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: the Seahawks benefiting from it because.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 6: That is a leader well, and it's so fascinating to
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 6: me too, because he's able to be a leader without
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 6: and exert his authority without seemingly having an ego about it.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 6: I mean even when he says, yeah, it's my practice,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 6: like turns out it I run this, you know, like
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 6: even then, it was like it wasn't like, look at me,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 6: it's my I mean, it's still the way he delivered
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 6: it. It wasn't like, yeah, being a jerk about it. It
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 6: was like, hey, man, get in line, come on.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: It's a fascinating and not overcussing but effective cussing.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 7: Effective cussing, which is what I teach my child.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: Which is great. And then of course the collection of
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: people that he's brought in. I mean, if you've watched
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: two episodes and you're worried about Derek Hall, like they
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: might be a bad teammate, like number one, I disagree
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: with you. That's not what I came away with. It
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: feels like they love him. But he's a little bit
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: like the crazy kid on the playground. Sometimes he gets
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: a little carried away, and you got scold him every
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: once in a while, and he might pout for a second,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: but he's gonna see the big picture. I think that
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: Ad and Dirty said it right, like the things that
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: drive us nuts a little nuts about him are the
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: things that we love about him and why we gave
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: him fourteen million dollars a year. So if that's the
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: if that's the bad character on the roster, I think
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: you're sitting pretty good the way Sam's come off, the
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: way Jsn's come off, the way Leonard Williams has come off,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: the way Emon Warri's like, it's just the culture. You
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: see the leadership first, and then you see the culture
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: and you're like, Okay, I get it. I get how
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: that leader has built this culture, and I get how
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: they've changed their philosophy to make sure the people in
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: that locker room are on the same page and they're
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: not just selfish and they do things the right way
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: and they have their teammates backs and everything else. I mean,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: more than anything else, I think maybe that Mike McDonald
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: has done and that includes bringing the greatest defensive mind
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: in the sport currently to Seattle. The culture he's built
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: in two short years explains why we're already world champions
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: under his leadership, because they have changed the way that
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: they evaluate players and they have shot character way up
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: that list. And for them to have taken Leonard Williams
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: when he's thinking about retirement in New York because he
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: just wasn't having as much upon playing football, and then
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: bring him here to Seattle and we find out how
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: great a player he is, how great a leader he is,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: how great a person that he is. I mean, my goodness,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: what a what a boon for this organization. And John
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: deserves a lot of credit for that too. That's not
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: just that's not just Mike gets the credit for that.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: I mean that's an equal share credit, maybe even more
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: so for John to pull off the trade to get
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: Leonard Williams. But that it's just a very likable group.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: And that might be boring for a Jets fan that's
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: turning into this, but for a Seahawks fan that's sitting
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: on top of the world right now, and you watch
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: Hard Knocks and you get some nitty gritty details from
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: behind the scenes about how just what does make all
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: of these players take I think I like that guy.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: Let's find out more about him, and then you come
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: away liking him even more. I mean, what a magical
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: formula that they've got working here right now.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 6: I mean I even just loved the fight between who
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 6: Mason Richmond and Riley Mills and they get into it
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 6: on the field and everyone's like, and you know, Mills
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 6: gets all pissed, and then to settle it they have
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 6: to hold sledgehammers in front of the whole team, and
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 6: the face of Mason Richmond as he's like, I don't
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 6: want to lose this, you know, and everybody gets to
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 6: be entertained by it. I just I was like, even
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 6: that is it was just it was perfectly done, and.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: Mills didn't look like he was struggling at.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 7: All at all.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 6: Were made of air because he was like, I could
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 6: hold these for seven days.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: Those are some strong shoulders, Yes, those are.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 7: He did not care.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, I don't know if the rest
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: of the country's enjoying it all that much. I'll tell
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: you this, I have not enjoyed the last few hard
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: knocks with other teams, but certainly for us to get
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: a little more insight into how our players tick, how
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: Mike McDonald's operation ticks. It's been fantastic, I mean, can't
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: get enough of it. Two episodes. I've enjoyed every second
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: of both the episodes. And yet there was some news
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: yesterday and that kind of is the big story here today.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: Seahawks are definitely in on tear Arnold. If you didn't
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: already know that, he came to visit twice, so that
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: should give you every indication. And then how are they
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: discussing it behind the scenes. I didn't think we'd get
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: as much information as we did about Terry and Arnold
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: last night, including some John Schneider in his office moment
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: where he's sort of trying to already prepare the organization
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: for the pr hit that they'll have to take if
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: they signed Terry and Arnold. So let's pick it up
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: with leave.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 11: John Schneider is deciding if he can sign Terry and Arnold,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 11: a gifted cornerback facing multiple felony counts. His former team,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 11: the Detroit Lions, cut him after his arrest. He's still
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 11: awaiting a resolution to his case. There's no doubt the
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 11: third year pro could bolster the Hawks secondary, still no
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 11: amount of due diligence will spare the team from criticism
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 11: if he's offered a contract through that.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 10: I remember, like what is Terry and Arnold thing like
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 10: Wobe another controversial signing that's happened, so we could kind
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 10: of like, oh, I can understand that situation.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 7: Situations where someone has like an outstanding thing.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 12: Right, and then all though I.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 10: Am or traded for a choirs acquired, you know what
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 10: I mean?
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know about you, Ashley greg and
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: I talked about a little bit earlier this morning. I
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: mean that is a general manager who still has that
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: talent as talent mentality. Yep, even though drafting for character
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: and making it more important in the last two or
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: three years is as big a reason as to It's
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: not like you didn't draft talented guys. It doesn't bring
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: up a bunch of good guys. You drafted talent guys.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: But you certainly have made character a bigger priority in
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: your last three drafts and in your off season moves.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: And yet there's still this part and John that's like, hey,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: talent is talent and is already getting out ahead of
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: I want to sign him. That's my takeaway. I want
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: to sign him. I want him on this roster. Now,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: you tell me how big of a PR blow we're
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: going to get back on this and are we okay
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: with that?
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 7: Yeah? Find some examples that I could use of where
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 7: it worked out.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's not like he's gonna lose the fan
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: base if he signs Terry and Arnold. No, you forgave
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: him for you know, uh, Frank Clark. It took like
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: one sack before everybody was rooting for Frank Clark, even
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: though at the time I remember taking phone calls on
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: this and everybody was done being a seahawk. Not everybody.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: A lot of people who are there are a lot
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: of people there are a lot of people are done.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: I won't root for a team that signed guy like that.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: He gets two sacks and we love him, so he
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: knows that that's what will happen eventually as long as
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: Arnold is exonerated.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: But there's that Rascal and John Schneider, that general manager
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: that sat there with Pete and had conversations at the
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: table discussing, Hell, let's get him, we'll deal with a PR.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 7: Yeah, they would have done it in a heartbeat.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: And so he's already mapping that out and trying to
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: figure out we'll take the pr hit. I'm not worried
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: about that, but for the sake of everybody else in
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: the organization, how do we lessen it? How do we
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: deal with it? What are some other examples of how
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: teams have done this and didn't come away with didn't
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: come away by angering everybody?
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 6: Right, which shouldn't be surprising to any fans that he
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 6: would make sure that he did all his research before
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 6: he made a move like this, because it is a
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 6: big deal. And even if and again this isn't based
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 6: on if Terry and Arnold is guilty or not guilty,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 6: because we don't know that. It's just it's also a
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 6: it's also I mean, eight felonies. Isn't something like, you know,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 6: he accidentally, you know, fell asleep at the wheel and.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 7: Crashed into a parked car. I mean, this is a
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 7: big deal.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: Could be live in prison, It.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 6: Could be life in prison. So it's it is. It
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 6: seems bigger than anything else. So yeah, you better be
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 6: doing your research if you're going to think about bringing
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 6: this guy in, all right.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: So that was John caught in the office overhead boom
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: mics here he is being interviewed about it.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 13: We have ninety players here right now.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: We're always kind of looking for what's next.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 13: How do we how do we get ready for you know,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 13: a corner that's not here yet. You know, like guys
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 13: that we're going to need at a certain point. You
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 13: want to be strong as healthy as possible. In December January.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 12: Last I was talking about carrying talk to Jail about him. Oh, yeah,
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 12: he was awesome. He's a leash, He's got a buddy,
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 12: nice slice bud. He's like this Swiss be Austoin fore
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 12: just have a baby his wife and von Piers up
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 12: here Malone, Yeah, to be awesome. He's like he's just
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 12: like he's just exploder. Joey thinks he is a being
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 12: able to play in the preseason.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: Sweet might be unfair. I read that as man John
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: is John really wants him because the GM and him
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: is like, I can get a first round talent who's
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: still in his mid twenties and probably get him to
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: play here for league minimum, just selling him on the
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: fact that he can be a part of a world
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: championship culture and be under the guidance of the best
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: defensive mind in the National Football League. He's not going
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: to get some big giant offer from anyone, so that
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: alone should get him here to Seattle. But I haven't
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: yet convinced my head coach we should do it.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 7: Yep.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: That's how I read that. And I know that there
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: was that little quip maybe you heard it, maybe you didn't,
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: where he is like sweet Mike said sweet. Yep. I
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: did not get the impression that Mike is sold on
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: this at all from that episode, and it's really short clips, right,
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: but I didn't get the impression that Mike sold on
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: this idea at all. And I get the impression that
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: John is completely sold on it, and that John is
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: coming into Mike's office, like I talked to college teammate Milroe.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: He thinks he's awesome. He he's the best guy in
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: the world. So he's really trying to like sell him
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: on Mike. That's the impression I drew from there.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 6: And that's the same thing I've seen. I mean, he
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 6: even says, oh, it plays just like spoon and then.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: He's oh, geez, really yeah, that was that.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 6: Little thing, and I was like, okay, and then he
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 6: when he says and he'll be available for the preseason. Well,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 6: I think that When Mike responds with sweet, I mean
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 6: that's for two reasons. One, well, we don't care if
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 6: he can play in the preseason, right, what's his eligibility
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 6: going to be like in the actual year.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 7: Is he going to be in jail or is he
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 7: going to be on a field?
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 6: And when he says sweet, he might as well have
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 6: said neat. I mean it was that kind of like, Okay,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 6: I see what you're doing. I know you want this guy,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 6: so you're going to continue to do the thing the
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 6: thing you're going to do, But I'm not convinced of
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 6: this and he does not fit anything I've been trying
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 6: to put together here.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and if and if you had that same conclusion.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: Ashley and I sort of had the same conclusion.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 4: There.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: Sounds like Leave and HBO had the same conclusion as well,
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: because this is how they ended the episode.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 11: Getting the right fit isn't always easy. Normally, a highly
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 11: skilled player would be a shoe in, but with Terry
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 11: and Arnold a free agent with the legal problems, it's
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 11: not that simple. So Seattle has invited him to the facility.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 11: Mike McDonald has questions will Arnold make the team better.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 11: And equally important, does he understand the culture and what
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 11: Seattle is building?
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: And that's what you weigh with every decision as a
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: professional sports organization. You you weigh reward versus risk. Does
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: Terry and Arnold make our secondary better?
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: Probably, Yeah, I'm sure if he's eligible. Yeah, if he's
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: not in prison and he's on a football field, and
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: the Seahawks will be better for having him on the
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: football field. But at what cost? Certainly nothing cap wise,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: It doesn't feel like or financial wise. And I think
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: there's a pretty decent chance that he blends with the personalities.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: But why run the risk of bringing on someone that
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: would take the law into their own hands and voyeor
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: watch three people be and whether they stole from him
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: or not, and then didn't even take the time to
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: make sure they were the right three people. You really
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: want to introduce that into your perfect World champion. The
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: reason we are world champions is probably because of this
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: culture that we've created in such a short period of time.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: You really want to inject that in there so you
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: can be a little bit better, so you've got depth
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: at the nickel position. That's that's what we're doing. That's
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: what you want to do. I think almost I think
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: almost every NFL franchise in the league would do this,
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: But I don't think the Seahawks should. I don't think
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: they need to, And I don't know why you would
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: risk being in such great position for this upcoming season
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: to defend your title by bringing this into your Chicken Cooper.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 6: And that's the exact thing there is the risk verse.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 6: Is the risk worth the reward? I don't think so,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 6: because you already have a great defense. Yeah, it would
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 6: always be nice to improve. Nobody's ever gonna say, Gosh,
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 6: I don't want We're perfect, we don't want to improve anywhere.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 7: That's no, that's not the case.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 6: But the risk here, with your fan base, with your
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 6: locker room, with your coaching staff, with your legal team,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's just too big.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: And it's not like this is the I mean this
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: is big enough, Like what is this crime? What were
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: you responsible for? Who are these people that you did
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: this to, what did they do to you? Exactly what
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: are we going to find out in a hearing? Because
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: you're certainly going to end up in a hearing. Charges
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: haven't exactly been dropped, so it certainly wasn't just a
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: clear misunderstanding.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 8: Sorry, fellas, he's got court today, I think, yeah, so
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 8: that's not been dropped.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: And and then here's the last piece of information. And
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: I know I've mentioned this a couple of times this week,
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: but the Detroit Lions didn't hesitate.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 7: Nope.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, they've got far more invested in Terry and
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: Arnold than what the Seahawks would have to invest in him.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: They've got millions, they got a first round traf pick,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: they got a week secondary. That has been their issue.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: Probably the reason why they haven't won a Super Bowl,
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: or at least gone to a Super Bowl in the
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: last couple of years is because their secondary two years
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: in a row got devastated by the time crunch time
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: rolled around in the season. And so of all the
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: teams that should let's make sure on this Terrian arm
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: let's not make a rash decision, it would be the
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: Detroit Lions. And they cut him the next morning. Yeah,
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: after the news broke. They may have known it longer,
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: but after the news broke, they cut him the next morning, yep,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: and have not looked back on that. So, and I
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: don't think the Detroit Lions have some jackass organization anymore.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: And I don't think Dan Campbell is some you.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 7: Know, definitely not a pushover.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they decided, you know what, it's not worth it.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: The Jews is not worth the squeeze.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 7: I don't blame him.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: Let's let him go. And now here we are, here,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: we are with this almost perfect culture in sports, sitting
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: on top of the mountain, and we're gonna invite this
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: person to sit at our table with all of this
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: unknown as a not just as a criminal violator potentially,
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: but just as a human being and as a teammate
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: what makes him tick. And we're gonna we're gonna risk
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: that just to improve an already good secondary, maybe an
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: already great secondary. I don't know. I don't know.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 7: Doesn't seem worth it to me.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't do it. No, And I my impression of
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: last night is that John Schneider is really trying to
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: talk Mike into this. That's the that's the impression that
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: I was all right coming up next. Yeah, it was
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: a huge game last night. As ugly as it was,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: it was a huge game. And so we will have
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: the Baseball Brunch. Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ A,
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  Speaker 2: r F M All right, we're gonna hop to it.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 7: It's like my mom used to say, up to it
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 7: and did you ever hop?
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I did as a kid, And then I realized
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: she was just being colorful with the language. I never
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: hopped Yeah. Nine o'clock hour, Chuck and Ashley with you.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: Last week, as I mentioned, Hugh Millan and I got
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: into a very interesting conversation about the salary cap. Major
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: League Baseball is going to try to enforce one on
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: the Players Association and their new collective Bargaining Agreement in
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven. It could cost us a large portion,
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: if not the entire season, because the Players Association says
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: it is not going to Budge well Lo and behold
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: hanging out with you here. Recently I find out that
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: he was there drafting the first ever collective bargaining agreement
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: that included a salary cap and was a major voice
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: inside that room as one of the player reps, and
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: then of course was a player rep for most of
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: his career in the National Football League. And so just
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: when we were getting to the part about the advice
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: that he would give the Major League Baseball Players Association,
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: we started talking about Scott Boris's role in this last
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: week and then for whatever reason, technology interfered and pop
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: he went off the air. He left everybody hanging. We
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: didn't want to wait too much longer to bring him
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: back and finish our conversation. So rejoining us now is
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: our QB one. Hugh Millin is with us here on
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: the radio program.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 4: Hi.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: You great to be with you, Chuck.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 9: Yeah, it's hard to condense in a segment, you know,
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 9: years of negotiation and what have you. There's a lot
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 9: of things here, but we'll see if we can make
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 9: it clear. All right, Well, let's dive in where we
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 9: left off. You were basically you told our audience Scott
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 9: Boris is a donkey? Was the word that you use
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 9: for his reaction to not having a salary cap in
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 9: MLB and that the NFL is wrong to have one.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 9: So go go ahead and pick it up where you
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 9: left off. Yeah, strong words, right, I better have a
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 9: lot to defend that. Well, first of all, I think
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 9: there's a distinction in saying, you know, not calling him
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 9: a donkey, but he sounded like donkey. I think at
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 9: some point we all sound like an ass in our life, right,
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 9: you know, And and that doesn't mean we are necessarily
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 9: an ass or a donkey. I have a tremendous respect
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 9: for what he does as an agent, because his job
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 9: is to get his players a lot of money, and
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 9: he does it, does it as well or better than anybody.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 9: But as as a mouthpiece for uh, the state of
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 9: baseball when he comes on with Softy and Dick Fane
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 9: and he spews these these truths, mistruths, omissions, lies, red herrings,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 9: and I'm just exasperated, and so so you know, you
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 9: you start with he comes on and he says, you know,
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 9: Dick Fane asked him a very reasonable question, well why
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 9: does it? Why does the system work for the NFL?
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 9: And and Boris immediately says it doesn't. And then he
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 9: says uh. And he proceeds to say what percentage of
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 9: NFL teams finished in the top eight in the playoffs?
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 9: This is his defense, right, He says, well, in the NFL,
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 9: it's fifty six percent, it's baseball, and seventy three percent. Now,
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 9: he's right on the seventy three percent for baseball, he's
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 9: wrong on the on the football, it's not fifty six percent,
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 9: is six two and a half percent. But Scott Burst,
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 9: I'll give you I'll give you that Baseball. On that
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 9: metch it sounds like he's walking a plank and trying
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 9: to fit a neel, like why top eight?
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: Why not?
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 9: Why not all playoffs? Why not top four or the
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 9: two or World Series champions?
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 9: He chose a very specific statistic, and then he makes
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 9: the broad leap that that that is going to define competition.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 9: He's going to say that baseball is more competitive than football.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 9: You know, had he said the final four and in
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 9: the last ten years, fifteen years, twenty years, by his
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 9: metric of defining competition, football is more so he shows that,
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 9: and but you know what, I'm going to give him that.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 9: But here's what I'm going to do to show the
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 9: imbalance of football versus baseball. If we say that the
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 9: teams that come from the bottom half of the revenue,
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 9: and this is total revenue for NFL, total revenue for baseball,
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 9: this is just apples to apples his own.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: Window.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 9: He said, the last five years, teams that make the
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 9: final eight, that would be the divisional round in baseball, right,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 9: and football, well, coming from the top ten baseball as
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 9: twelve out of forty thirty percent football, you'd expect if
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 9: it was dead even it'd be twenty out of forty,
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 9: but of football's nineteen out of forty forty eight percent.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 9: You can go through every one of these charts. Here
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 9: these statistics. When you say the bottom half, whether you
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 9: want to say made the playoffs, Final eight, Final four,
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 9: Final two, the champion, whether it's the last five years,
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 9: ten years, fifteen years, twenty years, the football wins in
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 9: every single one by an average of thirty six percent
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 9: more than baseball. And here's glaring to close it. In
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 9: the last fifteen years, football has had eleven of its
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 9: fifteen Super Bowl champions have come from the bottom half
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 9: of payroll. Baseball has had one, and baseball has had
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 9: none out of the bottom third. So there's a lot
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 9: of ways to define what is competition and what is competitive.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 9: He chose a very narrow statistic, and it completely ignores
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 9: all the imbalances I'm suggesting.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: Right, of course, from my point of view, like I
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: can live in a world where somebody's saying baseball's more
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: competitive than you think it is. But my biggest problem
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: is the fans don't feel that way. From a business perspective,
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: if you are running a business and most of your
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: fans won't watch National Baseball games because they think the
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: league's unfair. A salary cap just kind of changes the
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: perspective that your customers have on whether or not your
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: product's fair, And that, to me is important. That, to me,
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: is everything about this collective bargaining agreement coming up well?
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 9: Certainly when a third of the fans feel like their
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 9: owners are punting, when the Dodgers pay more in payroll
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 9: than sixteen teams, more than half of the league, they
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 9: pay more in luxury tax on the payroll than over
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 9: half of the league, and then what does it result in?
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 9: We're the immense imbalance. How is that you go back
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 9: to how is that impacted revenue? So in nineteen ninety two,
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 9: and maybe you'll ask me about the concerns we had
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 9: in the room, but let's just go through this totistics
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 9: in nineteen ninety two. Now that's the year before NFL
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 9: free agency. Reggie White was signed in early ninety three,
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 9: So we can go back and we can look at
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 9: the revenues of all of all three sports. Baseball had
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 9: the lead in revenue at one point five eight three billion,
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 9: then came the NFL at one point four to nine
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 9: to two billion, and then basketball was nine or ninety
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 9: nine million. So now if you look at where they are,
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 9: Baseball has jumped to twelve point five three billion. They've
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 9: gone seven point nine x. Sounds impressive. Football has gone
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 9: to twenty four point one billion, sixteen point one x.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 9: So baseball is under eight and and football is over sixteen.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 9: Football has literally lapped baseball. And so both from us
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 9: a revenue standpoint and from a growth you're basically double.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 9: So you know, from a standpoint of the growth of
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 9: the league, uh, it's it's not comparable and basketball. And
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 9: as I said, basketball, if if if you take the
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 9: NFL the percentage of the growth, basketball has eighty nine
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 9: percent of football, Baseball is forty nine percent. So his
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 9: system that you know, this for this romantic language of
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 9: oh the free market operating, uh, you know, resembling a
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 9: genuine free market. You know, the way they the way
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 9: they have their structure from the the luxury tax and
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 9: with the imbalance in the revenue. You know, what they're
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 9: doing is they're defending He's defending an open, uncapped auction
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 9: that really has produced an aristocracy of about six teams
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 9: that are clustered on the east coast of each of
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 9: the coasts. Yeah, and so you know that's the system
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 9: that he defends. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 5: You.
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  Speaker 2: Millan is with a our QB one talking about the
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: salary cap, finishing our conversation from last week. A lot
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: of people have asked us, we just can't leave everybody hanging,
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: and I felt the exact same way. So we've picked
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: it back up here today. So what were the concerns
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: that you had as you, you know, like a founding
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: forefather of salary caps, you being John Adams, maybe what
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: were some of the concerns that you and your peers
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: had before you did agree to that a free agency
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: and the salary cap would be the future of the NFL.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 9: Yeah, and just to paint the picture, you got the
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 9: twenty eight teams at the time, and you got the
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 9: player reps in the room. Dick Bertleson was the in
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 9: house counsel for the players Association. They would hire Jeffrey Kessler.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 9: He would come in from time to time, but Burtison
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 9: would just sit on the side and he would just say, hey,
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 9: if you guys do this, it's this.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: If you do this, it's this.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 9: He would say, you second person, not we, and you know,
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 9: so the players had to discuss all this. You know,
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 9: we had concerns about what the owner said, Hey, if
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 9: we get free agency, we're all the player, best player
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 9: is gonna go to the Cowboys and the Raiders. There
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 9: was concern about quarterback movement that you know, you know,
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 9: and of course Drew Brees, Jake Dilomas, super Bowl quarterback,
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 9: Kirk Cousins. There's been plenty of quarterback movie parody. Would
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 9: we thought, you know, if we get parody is everybody
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 9: can be bored with nine and seven and eight and eight.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 9: At the time, the Cowboys and the forty nine ers
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 9: had the best rivaly in football that was driving all
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 9: the TV ratings. But you know, you think, well, are
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 9: we going to destroy that the idea that of those
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 9: real those those dominant teams. The Francise tag, would it
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 9: limit the top end of the players? Well, Chuck, if
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 9: you look at and I've got the table right in
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 9: front of me, if you look at the top ten
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 9: players in football right now, the annualized guaranteed value of
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 9: the top ten football players is forty two and a
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 9: half million. For baseball it's thirty eight point nine million.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 9: So the NFL has a nine point one percent advantage.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 9: If you go the top twenty players, NFL has thirty
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 9: six and a half million, and a Major League Baseball
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 9: as thirty four point six million.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: So the concerns that we had at the time, and
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: here's the thing.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 9: Back in nineteen ninety two, Scott Boris could come on
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 9: and say, hey, in theory, this is nonsense and this
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 9: is never gonna work. But we've got thirty three years
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 9: of history of showing. And I'm not saying that the
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 9: growth that I'm describing is because there's a salary cap,
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 9: because you can't make that inference logically, but you can
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 9: say unequivocally that the salary cap did not hinder the league.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 9: And because what we're really talking about, what the players
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 9: should be focused on is the revenue pie and the
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 9: percentage of the revenue new But the in nineteen ninety two,
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 9: baseball players had fifty two percent. Football players had forty
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 9: three point eight percent. Remember those numbers. I know I'm
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 9: throwing a lot of numbers in this. So the football
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 9: players had a much smaller portion of a smaller pie.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 9: So now because of the revenue certainties and the interest
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 9: in the game, now, the football had that you know,
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 9: doubled baseball in terms of the revenue. But now the
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 9: football players, like Scott Pors comes on to KGr and
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 9: he says he used the word cap thirteen times with
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 9: Softy and Dick. He he used the word floor zero.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 9: You're not you're not giving away the cap that I mean.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 9: That'd be a surrender. You are you are saying, hey,
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 9: we'll give you a cap. What are you gonna give us?
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 9: Or we're gonna demand this, X, y and Z. So
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 9: so the players in FOOTB I'll have a forty eight
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 9: point eight percent of a twice a big a pie
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 9: and baseball has forty six point six percent. And here's
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 9: the irony of this. In early twenty sixteen, Scott Boris
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 9: told Baseball Perspective that in the prior year that baseball
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 9: players were getting forty three percent. So they went from
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 9: fifty and he acknowledged that they had gone from fifty
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 9: five percent a decade before. Now they're at forty three percent.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 9: Out of his own mouth, and so, so what does
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 9: that tell you? There is nothing locking the owners into
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 9: paying anything. They can be at fifty five percent, they
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 9: can be at forty six point six percent as they
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 9: are now. They can be down to forty three percent
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 9: in twenty fifteen.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: There's nothing.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 9: So in theory, you're you're gonna have, You're gonna compel
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 9: these owners to spend because you know. Boris comes on,
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 9: he calls the Padres owner a genius because of how
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 9: he spent, and he barks about and he literally tells
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 9: Softie and Dicky says, he goes, the Podres went from
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 9: six hundred million to four billion. Well, it's an agree
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 9: to pray a sale price a three point nine billion,
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 9: which is obviously four billion.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: I'm good with that.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 9: But so we have a clear starting point from the
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 9: August of twenty twelve to now. So that is six
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 9: point five times the value, and he's gonna bark about
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 9: the the increase. Well, what's funny about that is if
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 9: you take the compound annual growth rate of the NFL
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 9: franchise values, the average NFL franchise is conservatively projected to
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 9: be at eight point two eight billion and twenty twenty
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 9: six versus one point one billion and twenty twenty twelve.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 9: So that's a seven point five to three times value.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 9: So Scott, so let me summarize that. Scott Boris comes on,
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 9: He's got thirty teams to pick from to to try
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 9: and be convincing about the economic prosperity of baseball. He
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 9: choose the Podrays and he gives you impressive sounding numbers.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: Guess what it was.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 9: His number one choice was below the average of the
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 9: NFL in growth. So every time he opens his mouth,
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 9: you can hand him his hat. Because think of like
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 9: when you watch the Kentucky Derby a horse race, you know,
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 9: and it's kind of muddy, you know, and the jockeys
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 9: they get the mud on their on their goggles and.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 4: What have you.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 9: You know, baseball might as well just take their goggles
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 9: off because football is so far in the distance a susspec.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 9: They can't even see the football out in front, so
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 9: they're not getting mud on their glasses.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: That was thirty years ago. Yeah, yeah, Would you debate
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: Scott Boris on the air if given the opportunity, Uh yeah,
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: I would welcome that.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 9: Now, if you're sensible, you would be saying, Millan, Scott
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 9: Boris has made mincemeat. He's chopped up every GM in
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 9: all of baseball and contract negotiations. How do you think
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 9: you have the chops to argue with him? Well, my
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 9: response to that would be this. If we had to
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 9: debate what is the best dinner and I got to
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 9: choose a Ribbi at the met and he had to
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 9: choose a Boloney sandwich, I'm gonna win that debate. If
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 9: we had to debate who made the most musical impact
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 9: and I get the Beatles and he gets the Bengals,
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 9: I'm going to win the debate. So look, I would
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 9: know what Land minds not to step on. But certainly
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 9: the uh, he's got a answer to these very central
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 9: questions that players would have. What percentage of the pie
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 9: do we have? Okay, well you've you've shrunk that what
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 9: percent is? How big is the pie?
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: Ground? Well, football's doubled you.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 9: And so he's arguing for something in theory, you know,
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 9: and we haven't talked about a couple of things.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: How about this.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 9: This is baseball's own own analysis. You know, baseball players
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 9: don't get free agency till they're they're in their sixth year, right,
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 9: So the percent the share of the war, the pre
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 9: arbitration players, the share of the war that's wins above replacement.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 9: The pre arbitration players are forty point seven percent of
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 9: the war. They're nine point four percent of the salary. Meanwhile,
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 9: the free agents, they are twenty eight point eight percent
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 9: of the war, but they're sixty one point four percent
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 9: of salary. So the people who are getting paid are
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 9: aren't the players that are are are playing playing the best.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: Baseball, right, So players getting rewarded for how good they
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: were with their previous team and aren't good anymore.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 9: Yeah, So so I would look to I would even
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 9: tell that Bryce Harper. Look, I already gave you the figure.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 9: We have thirty three years of data that the cap
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 9: with a floor that mandates their spending. Remember, now they
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 9: the baseball has to mean football has to spend ninety
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 9: percent over a three year period, and if they don't,
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 9: they're gonna have to write a check to all the
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 9: players in the in the offseason. That's never happened because
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 9: the football owners have always paid it. So so if
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 9: you take if I were to talk to Bryce Harper,
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 9: I'd say, wait a minute, Even you superstars, you're the
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 9: football players have a higher percentage that both in terms
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 9: of gross money and in terms of the percentage of
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 9: the average. So superstars in getting aren't getting suppressed in football.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 9: And so if you do this model, look at the
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 9: growth rate, and look at the franchise valuations and and
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 9: the popularity TV ratings. You want to go through TV
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 9: ratings since.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: Ninety ninety as a baseball fan, I don't.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 9: Well, you know, look you go through the early nine
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 9: the early nineties before free agency, and then the last
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 9: five season that average him and then you say, okay,
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 9: the percent change Football is up five percent because you
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 9: know you got one hundred and thirty million people always watch.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 9: Baseball is down sixty seven percent in.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: Just raw numbers.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 9: In the early nineties, they had thirty point two million
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 9: for the World Series. Now they're at a twelve point nine.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 9: And the same goes for the Championship I mean the
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 9: Championships Championship Series. Football is ten times more in the
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 9: champion Championship Series, specifically ten point zero nine. And you say, well,
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 9: what about Game sevens. There's been five game sevens this decade.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 9: Football still has a six point three x times viewership
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 9: against game sevens in the Championship Series. So the popularyer, oh,
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 9: the attendants they set record here Boris comes on KGr.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 9: He says, well, we're sending setting record attendance.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: No, you're not.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 9: Two thousand and seven was the record. You're down three
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 9: thousand fans per game from two thousand and seven. So
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 9: at any event, uh, he really came on and sounded
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 9: like a donkey. Het a donkey. But I don't know
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 9: if Ashley can get that.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: Uh uh No, you can say jackass, you just can't
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: say a hole. Okay, well all of the above.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you can actually say a hole, just not the
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 7: full yeah say that.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so all of the I don't know.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 7: So look, and I'll make sure next time to have
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 7: a donkey sound.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 9: Yeah every time you talk about him. But look, there's
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 9: so much more of mean, I got spreadsheets going on.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 9: But what's your reaction to that? I mean, what do
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 9: you think is the biggest pushback? Well, my re in
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 9: general is this.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: This is I can sum it up in all of this,
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: when is the last time that a Seahawk fan felt
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: they didn't have a chance against the New York Giants
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: and the Los Angeles Rams? And the answer is probably
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: for some people never where. If I asked what are
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: your chances as a Mariner fan against the Los Angeles Dodgers,
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: ninety nine out of one hundred people would say that
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: we don't have a chance. Against them here in this town.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: And that's not true, by the way. Those numbers that
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: you do have a chance against the Dodgers, but the
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: perception is that you don't. And until they change it
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: with a salary cap and a lot of other little adjustments,
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: then then baseball's not going to be able to catch
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: up on a national perspective. Baseball does fine locally, you know,
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: they fill stadiums and their local ratings are good, very good.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: But nationally you've lost ground because nobody in Seattle wants
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: to watch the Cubs play the Cardinal on Sunday night,
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: no matter how good they are, because they've got money
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: and you don't. That's just, that's just the perception that
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: a that a sports fan has right now of the
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: NFL versus Major League Baseball.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 9: Well, you know, I'll tell you what, because I'm looking
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 9: at this show. You tell me the last five years,
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 9: ten years, or fifteen years. Picket you tell you you
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 9: picket ten.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: We'll go to the mill. Okay, we'll go. We'll go ten.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 9: Okay made playoffs. NFL had seventy. This is out of
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 9: the bottom half of the payroll. And by the way,
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 9: spow Track, the Mariners are in the bottom half in
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 9: every year of this decade. Okay, so this ought to
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 9: get your attention as a Mariner fan. So you're these
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 9: are all coming from the bottom half of the payroll.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 9: The NFL has has seventy out of one hundred and
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 9: thirty fifty three percent to thirty six percent for Major
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 9: League Baseball, making the final eight base of football was
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 9: fifty percent from the bottom half baseball thirty percent, the
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 9: Final four football, This is the championship games football fifty
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 9: five percent coming from the bottom half, baseball twenty three percent.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 9: How about making the Super Bowl and making the World
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 9: Series football sixty percent from the bottom half baseball twenty
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 9: percent and World Series Champion or Super Bowl champions football
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 9: eighty percent in the last ten years from the bottom
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 9: half baseball ten percent. So those are partially picked by you.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 9: In terms of the duration, I could have done five years,
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 9: I could have done fifteen years, twenty football in every
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 9: single category by a as I said, an average of
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 9: thirty six percent. So here the donkey comes on and
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 9: I called him a donkey, sounded like a donkey, and
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 9: he's bragging about an erroneous figures of seventy three percent
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 9: versus fifty six percent. Guess what, even though it's wrong,
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 9: I'll give it to you seventeen percent. Well, what about
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 9: this chart where football is thirty six percent average on
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 9: all of these cells in a spreadsheet pertaining to the
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 9: bottom half of the league, so that they're in lies.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 9: When you say there's a perception, there's a perception because
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 9: there's a reality it when framed when the when the
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 9: argument is framed like that, what do teams? How do
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 9: teams do from the bottom half of the payroll compared
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 9: to football? There is no comparison.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: All right, man, Well, thank you very much. Great stuff
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: here the last couple of weeks. So I'm glad we
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: got to the bottom of Donkey and his adventures with
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: Shrak Yeah, rock and roll. All right, thanks man, all right,
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: by now you villain r QB Willing with us right
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: here on the radio program coming up on the other side. Oh,
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: I know what you're down with. Say it on your
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: face OPQ Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM. It's
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: gonna implicate me in some way, and then I won't
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: ever be able to be honest with your real quarterback
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: ever again.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 7: Oh we show the proof.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I know it seems like you're bragging
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: about something that maybe you shouldn't be proud of. But
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 2: I do know when I take advantage of it. Every
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 2: so often you are down with OPQ other people's quarterbacks.
• 1:44:25
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• 1:44:28
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  Speaker 2: that Kyler Murray will be their starting quarterback, not JJ McCarthy,
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, they got rid of Sam Donald because they thought
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  Speaker 2: Yeat rid of Sam Donald. And now in a span
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  Speaker 2: If you brought in Kyler Murray as a free agent
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's it's wow. So surprising.
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  Speaker 2: That's an abrupt fall.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, So, I mean not surprising that he didn't make
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  Speaker 6: it really, because if you actually paid attention to his
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he won a lot of football games without
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  Speaker 7: Correct.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, that's a very distinct, distinct way to put it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, like I said, I don't think the surprise is
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  Speaker 6: I think it's a little weird because it's you're at work.
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  Speaker 7: That would be strange.
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  Speaker 7: They do have family days.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, so on the family day, like let them practice,
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  Speaker 7: You shouldn't. I don't know. It seems weird to me.
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  Speaker 7: I don't catch you do a problem with it. It's
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  Speaker 2: Don't you do the class thing and sneaker in after
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, you guys can make out in the weight room.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and you can make out on the trainer's table.
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  Speaker 7: Who wouldn't love that?
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  Speaker 2: That's a class move.
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  Speaker 7: That is how real normal people do it.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's ridiculous. I mean, you're you're a professional
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  Speaker 2: football player. It sort of insinuates you need to act
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