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#202 Wrongful Conviction Podcasts PSA - What to Do When Stopped by the Police (On a Jury - Trial) · Wrongful Conviction

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  Speaker 1: Hi. I'm Jason Flamm, and I'm the host of Wrongful
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  Speaker 1: Conviction with Jason Flamm.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm Robbia Jaudry, attorney and co host of Undisclosed.
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  Speaker 2: So today we want to talk to you about your
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  Speaker 2: civic duty and your responsibility if you are chosen to
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  Speaker 2: be a juror in a trial.
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  Speaker 1: So we know, Robbia, we're all eligible for jury duty.
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  Speaker 1: We all get those notices in the mail time to time,
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  Speaker 1: and it's usually a big imposition. Everybody feels like, oh damn,
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  Speaker 1: I got so many other things to do. But I
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  Speaker 1: want to urge everyone to try to change your attitude
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  Speaker 1: about this. We should all view jury duty as an
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  Speaker 1: opportunity to be a very necessary watchdog for those in
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  Speaker 1: power and to make sure that real justice is done.
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  Speaker 1: And that takes each and every one of us. So,
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  Speaker 1: if you're on a jury, if you're in the jury
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  Speaker 1: box and the case is a heavy one, what are
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  Speaker 1: some of the things that people should remember.
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  Speaker 2: So first of all, I want folks to remember to
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  Speaker 2: be skeptical of expert testimony. One of the problems that
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  Speaker 2: we find now is that there's a CSI effect. People
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  Speaker 2: just think if something is quote scientific, it means it's
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  Speaker 2: actually accurate and factually significant. But a lot of expert
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  Speaker 2: testimony is based on faulty science.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's junk sciences everyone, But what about eyewitness accounts, memories, perceptions?
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  Speaker 1: What about that?
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  Speaker 2: I'm telling you the least reliable source of evidence is
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  Speaker 2: eyewitness accounts and so many of us as faulty memories?
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  Speaker 2: Is really the I would say, the least reliable evidence
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  Speaker 2: in a trial.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Your mind is not a camera, and don't get
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  Speaker 1: confused to thinking that it is. What about confession testimony?
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  Speaker 1: Everyone believes confessions, right, Well.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody believes they wouldn't confess to something they wouldn't do,
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  Speaker 2: But it's not true. Most of us are, in fact,
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  Speaker 2: very susceptible to coercion. Don't accept confession testimony to be
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  Speaker 2: accurate unless you have seen the entire interrogation and you
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  Speaker 2: know that this person was non coerced.
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  Speaker 1: Right, everyone has a breaking point. And we know that
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  Speaker 1: up to thirty percent of exonerations involve false confessions to
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  Speaker 1: crimes that these people didn't commit. So yeah, change your
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  Speaker 1: attitude about that entirely, right now. Okay, and what about
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  Speaker 1: lineup and photo array evidence? Are those reliable?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? You want to be skeptical of lineup and photo
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  Speaker 2: array evidence because sometimes people can say that's that's definitely him,
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  Speaker 2: and then other times, you know, they might be let
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  Speaker 2: on by a cop who's saying, well, look, maybe he
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  Speaker 2: doesn't look like the others, but what about this one.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this is the one that makes my blood boil.
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  Speaker 1: But how about snitch testimony?
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  Speaker 2: Snitch testimony get out of here always almost always incentivized.
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  Speaker 2: You have somebody in prison who's trying to get something
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  Speaker 2: exchange for this testimony.
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  Speaker 1: Not reliable, it's crazy. Wait, they offer people years off
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  Speaker 1: their sentence or even to drop all their charges of
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  Speaker 1: exchange with testifying against somebody else. So that testimony, it
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't even be allowed.
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  Speaker 2: To learn more and get involved. Listen to Wrongful Conviction
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  Speaker 2: Podcasts one of my favorite podcasts.
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  Speaker 1: And don't forget to listen to Undisclosed. There's so much
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  Speaker 1: in that podcast. Every time you listen, you're going to
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  Speaker 1: find some new stuff that you'll be talking about around
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  Speaker 1: the water cooler.
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  Speaker 2: Remember, as a juror, this is your responsibility.
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  Speaker 1: Right, so it's almost like a jurors bill of rights.
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  Speaker 1: And the more you understand, the better the chance is
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  Speaker 1: that we'll get actual justice that will have a fairer
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  Speaker 1: system for everyone.