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Squid Game (S3) | Full K-drama Review / Ep. 96 · Daebak K-Rambles Podcast: K-drama Reviews

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  I'm Jessica and this is Teba K Rambles, where a couple of
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  friends review Korean dramas and we are back to finish off this
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  saga that we started years ago. We are reviewing Squid Game
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  Season 3 and I'm joined by my good friend Miguel once again.
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  Miguel, how are you? How you been?
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  Thanks for having me. How you doing?
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  I'm all right as all right as I can.
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  Right, right. We're as put together as we can
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  be under the circumstances. But yeah, for those who are just
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  joining right now, me and Miguel have basically been reviewing
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  Squid Game each season when it comes out on the Tabak feed.
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  And we've had a long journey. And now that it's finished, we
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  are back to give our conclusion. Thoughts.
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  There will be no more Korean Squid Games.
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  So we figured we would just come back and do this.
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  I fully intended to do this later after my big family
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  vacation, which is several weeks long.
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  But I was like, you know what? I also don't want to leave it to
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  where I'm too spoiled. And as it is, I did get spoiled.
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  We had set the date for this recording, and then I was
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  online, as one does, and I got hella spoiled for the ending of
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  Squid Game season 3. And so I went into it with a
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  little bit of rage at the fandom.
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  And I can say what exactly I got spoiled on in the spoiler
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  section, but suffice it to say, there's a lot of feelings.
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  Tensions are running high, I think, in the community.
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  And by community, I mean world. So we'll just get into it.
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  the show And without further ado, we're going to keep the non
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  spoiler section I think a little shorter.
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  I will read the Asian wiki synopsis and we will go over the
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  cast. But again, it is exactly the
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  same as Season 2, and we went into this in great detail on the
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  Season 2 review, so I don't think we need to belabor the
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  point too much. So this will be a little bit
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  more condensed than usual. The Asian wiki synopsis for
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  Season 3 of Squid Game reads. Sungiyan is returned to the
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  players dormitory by the Pink Guards, but he is baffled by the
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  actions of the Front Man. He is also haunted by the loss
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  of his closest ally, Pakjung Bay, and is even more determined
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  to end the Squid Game once and for all.
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  Meanwhile, the Front Man prepares for the 4th game, which
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  is possibly the bloodiest game yet.
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  VIPs are soon to arrive on the island where the games are held.
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  On the periphery of the Squid Game, Detective Huang Juno and
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  his partners race against the clock to locate the mysterious
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  island where the games are held. Within the ranks of masked
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  officers working the games, Kang Nu UL risks her life to save
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  player PAC Yong Sook. OK, so Season 3 aired several
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  weeks ago. From the time of recording on
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  June 27th, 2025. It is 6 episodes long.
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  Just as a refresher, Season 2 aired December 26th, 2024 Merry
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  Christmas and was 7 episodes long.
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  Season 1 aired all the way back in September of 2021 and it was
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  9 episodes long. So we are getting less episodes
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  as the seasons emerge. And season 3 was basically an
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  just an extension of season 2. It wasn't a whole new story.
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  We're just picking up where we left off.
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  It is season 2.5. It really should have just been
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  Season 2. Yeah.
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  Like, I don't. I was like, OK, well.
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  We're rolling our eyes over here to I haven't.
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  This is anyway director and writer back Huang Dongyuk to do
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  Season 3, obviously. And then we've got a bunch of
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  returning stars. We have E Zheng Zei, he's back
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  as player 456. He is joined by Wea June, who
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  plays the undercover cop Juneau. We've got Eben back as the front
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  man. We have all of the players who
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  are still alive since the final episodes of Season 2 returning
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  for Season 3. So I think at this point, I'll
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  just go ahead and ask you, Miguel, what did you think of
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  Season 3 of Squid Game, the conclusion of this whole giant
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  saga that we've been on? Some of the more inventive games
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  that they've had, like it was really interesting to see the
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  scale of it, but as a whole, maybe a little underwhelmed.
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  Ultimately, I think I think that there was a few decisions they
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  made that they could have just not made.
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  But I think I I'm trying to decide whether or not that was
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  because they split a season in 2 when they really didn't have to
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  and that I just lost momentum. But I think it entertaining, but
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  I think it kind of fell flat, honestly.
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  OK, how about you? So I it's difficult because I
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  feel a lot more positively about it because I'm looking at it
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  technically, intellectually, and from a goal perspective.
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  I see that it hit all of the goals and I see that it set out
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  to do what it wanted to do, and it had A to me, I understood the
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  ending completely. Yeah.
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  Totally understood the ending. I was not mad at the ending.
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  I was not upset with any character that lost their life
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  in the course of the show, but there is something about it,
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  about watching it and the experience of watching it that I
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  was like, can we just freaking like get through this?
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  Like there was? I was exasperated by this point
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  and I think it did have a lot to do with we're back for season 3
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  and why the hell is there a season 30?
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  Just give it a get. Put it all in one season.
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  It makes no sense. It made absolutely no sense.
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  It it was like picking up mid, mid sentence.
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  Yeah, I did. They do you know why they did
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  that? Like were they not finished
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  filming it? Were they not?
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  Is there some kind of logistical reason that they did this?
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  This is Netflix to me. This is a total Netflix playbook
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  move. Yeah, Stranger Things is going
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  on 10 years. Stranger Things.
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  I mean, oh God, if you want to talk Stranger Things, like
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  that's another one where I'm like, just let it die.
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  Just let it die at this point because it's totally dead in my
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  imagination. It's totally dead in the
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  consciousness. Nobody cares anymore.
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  And I just don't. Even if I love any of the other
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  seasons, bringing, trotting out these characters, trotting out
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  these older actors now who are literal children in season 1
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  annoys me, Annoys me. I see the mechanism working, you
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  know what I'm saying? It's like I see the man behind
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  the curtain already. Just shut up.
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  Just stop the. Curtain is sheer like it's and
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  it makes the 80s they brought back the 80s again right by now
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  the 80s have gone and come back and gone again like even in like
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  like trend people are over the 80s.
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  People are over the sci-fi. They're over it.
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  So, so Squid Game pulling this really pissed me off.
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  And it really pissed me off because.
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  Squid Game has all of these lofty ideals and it is heavy on
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  the social commentary. It is heavy on the critique of
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  late stage capitalism, which the director, Huang Dongyu has
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  literally come out and said, yeah, it's a commentary on this,
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  but the Netflix is literally doing this to it.
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  Yeah, dilutes the message, Dilutes the message completely.
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  We stated this in Season 2 in our Season 2 review.
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  We were talking about this how Huang Dongyuk literally made
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  pennies on the dollar for Season 1.
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  Disgusting. In the deal that he made with
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  Netflix, as good as Got conned out of any revenue that Netflix
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  made off of season 1, which was a runaway success.
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  And so he basically had to come back and make another season to
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  just make money on his creative work.
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  So. Which makes sense because you
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  can kind of see it reflected in the show.
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  While he's like, OK, let's go. Like, let's just I want to be
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  done with this. Can I be done with this?
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  Like let's. Just that was the feeling and I
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  don't, I wish that I, we were in a, a place and I was in a place
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  where I could literally shut off my phone for five years and not
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  watch season 3 and not get spoiled and nobody talks about
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  it. And then I can come at it from a
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  better place where I can appreciate it.
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  And not that I don't appreciate it because what I'll say is very
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  positive about it, but like, I was freaking tired.
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  Like I'm sorry, I was tired. I hadn't make fucking had it.
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  Yeah, and you're bracing for impact instead of like waiting
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  for it. You know what I mean?
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  Instead of waiting it unfold, being spoiled for it will
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  completely. And then I got spoiled, which I
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  was raging about for like at least 24 hours.
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  Yeah, and that'll that'll it was like that girl during Euphoria.
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  There was a girl on TikTok who went viral because she was in
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  her car at her lunch break screaming into her phone.
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  Can y'all just let me fucking get home?
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  Let me get home, let me get home to watch it because spoilers
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  were everywhere. Like people will binge it within
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  an hour of it coming out. They'll break the space-time
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  continuum, watch the whole thing in an hour, and by the end of
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  the hour, oh, did you know that this happened and that no, I
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  didn't, I'm at work. Like, no I didn't.
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  I was freaking out shopping for groceries.
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  No I didn't. I had to put air in my tires.
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  No I didn't. I was just reading a book like
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  you name. It I live in a different time
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  zone, I it hasn't even come out here yet.
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  Like there's so many. It's literally like give me a
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  second. Right.
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  Give me a freaking 2nd. And that's a pervasive thing in
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  K drama land and obviously in other spaces as well.
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  And that literally put it oh I got so you have no idea how I
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  was raging. I can I.
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  Almost threw my phone across the room.
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  I can because it's it's unavoidable.
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  It was within the day. I almost got spoiled.
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  I I got this close to coming spoiled.
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  A video came up on my TikTok and as soon as I saw like just a
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  uniform I was like boom gone and the next.
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  Luckily the next squid game thing that came up was very
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  neutral so I just started disliking every squid game.
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  Video so. I could just like pull it from
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  my feed. Yeah, I was barely, I was not
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  engaging with any Squid Game content, so I was barely getting
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  anything on my for you. Then I got this once.
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  This is this video that got spoiled on.
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  I won't say what the spoiler is, but I will say what the video
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  was. So this girl was at some promo
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  event with the cast of Squid Game at a panel, like on stage
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  doing a panel. And she had whether this was
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  true or not, the video made it seem like she was having a
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  moment with Itung TE, the star of Squid Game.
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  Like he was like looking at her and like it was really funny and
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  cute. And I was like Oh my God this is
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  so cute. And I run to the comments
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  because I love looking at comments.
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  And there was a literal spoiler right there in the first
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  comment. I hate it I and it's so embedded
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  in the culture now. I was like every TikTok.
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  Video didn't have nothing to do, wasn't a review, wasn't from an
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  official account from Netflix, from School Dame.
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  It wasn't any official promo. It wasn't anything like that.
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  It was just a cute little video. That'll do it.
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  That was it. That'll do it because people
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  take, you've seen this in the comments, you got to go through
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  the top 4 just to get to an actual original comment because
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  everybody uses the whole copy posit thing like wow, 4 seconds
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  ago is crazy. So once you go through like 3000
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  of those regurgitated comments, but the spoilers have been the
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  comments for everything about Squid Game, the top 2 comments
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  are always a spoiler. So it's so.
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  It is so beyond frustrating. And did.
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  Wait, did you see the spoiler before you saw anything?
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  Man? Dude, it's not a good time.
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  It's not a good time. So anyway, now we're here and
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  we're going to talk about it. We're going to talk about
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  everything that happened. So you you liked it?
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  I liked it. I did like I have.
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  I have way more good things to say about it than bad like way.
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  More right like same for me. Yeah, there's a couple things I
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  didn't like, but in general, like it's not even that it fell
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  flat, it was just. It's almost like going to the
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  theater and watching a good movie, but the theater
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  experience was shitty. That's.
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  This is what it felt like to watch Squiddy and Curry is that
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  you were like, man, people were talking the whole movie.
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  They were on their phones the whole movie.
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  And it took five years for me to see this thing and finally it's
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  here. And the movie was good but like
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  damn. By two days after it came out.
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  It's like the discourse around Squid Game.
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  I'm like, what discourse? What disc?
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  It's been 2 days. This is problematic.
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  I'm like, is it? It's been 2 days but I have more
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  good things to say about them. Bad.
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  But you actually captured the feeling very perfectly.
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  That's exactly how I feel. I feel like I saw a movie I
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  really wanted to see and it was just marred by things
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  immediately outside of my control and I hate it so but but
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  it is good. I do.
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  I did like it. Let me be clear, I did like it,
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  but there are things that we're not.
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  They just don't work for me. Someone I posted a video about
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  the Emmy nominations which came out this week.
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  Squid Game got 0 Emmy nominations.
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  Now mind you, season 3 was not eligible for this cycle of prime
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  time Emmys. So Squid Game season 3, what
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  we're reviewing right now, would have never gotten any Emmy
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  nominations. Wow, that's a tongue twister.
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  But Season 2 was totally within the awards campaign season.
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  Like it was eligible. It was eligible and it got 0.
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  That's crazy. Mind you, Squid Game season 1
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  got 14 Emmy nominations and won six of them.
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  So I was shocked. I made a video about the snub
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  because it is clearly a snub. Yeah.
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  Completely, and someone said season 1 was definitely the
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  strongest of the series. It featured well developed
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  character arcs and the deaths felt meaningful and earned
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  within the narrative. I can agree with that.
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  You can agree with that. Yeah, yes, I can agree with the
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  meaningful death part. I can agree with it felt super
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  self-contained. Yes, if they didn't have.
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  I mean, is it a spoiler to mention any spoilers about
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  season 1 at this point? No, I think Season 1 spoilers
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  are on the table if you're listening to a Season 3 Squid
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  Game review. That's like on you.
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  Bro that's on you bro. But we're for season 3 spoilers.
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  We're keeping it clean in this non spoiler section.
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  I could agree with that because I wouldn't have even expected a
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  Season 2 if they didn't pull that Ronald McDonald wig for
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  Guillen. Like at the very, very end, we
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  got a phone call. It's like if they didn't hadn't
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  just shoehorn that in, I wouldn't have even asked for a
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  season 2. I would have been like, oh, OK,
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  so the entire show kind of operated from that.
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  Very scrappy doesn't feel like the right word.
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  But let's use it because it's such a big budget for a show.
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  That's so, you know, he really put everything into writing that
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  show and you can you can feel it.
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  And the second season feels like, OK, well, we can develop
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  some games and we can kind of do this.
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  Like it was way more focused. So everybody brought their all
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  the next seasons were good, but they weren't as strong as I
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  wouldn't say they were as strong, but to get snubbed
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  completely is crazy. To get snubbed from the Emmys.
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  That's wild. There was plenty of good acting
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  chops like being thrown around there like.
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  Acting not even none of the technicals.
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  It got nothing. Oh, I forgot about the
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  technical. Yeah, that's.
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  That's nothing for production design.
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  Like nothing at all. This is one of the most
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  beautifully produced shows I've ever seen.
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  Like it's so polished. I don't get what they're
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  thinking. I don't know what that's about.
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  The Emmys really swerved this year, but as far as this
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  commenter and talking about Season 1 versus 2 and three, I
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  think I like Season 1 slightly more than two and three because
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  I'm considering two and three a single season, if that makes any
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  sense. Yeah, I I am too.
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  It is kind of, it is so ridiculous to split this season,
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  but OK. Anyway, I went back and
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  rewatched the final episode of season 1 just today and I was
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  like, this is really strong. This is so and the emotions were
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  there and I was like, Oh my God, this is just a different.
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  I don't know what it was about. Season one.
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  It was lightning in a bottle. I remember it being lightning in
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  a bottle and it's still fresh. It's so good.
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  It's so good, so there is something to it.
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  There is some magic sauce in Season 1 compared to two and
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  three, even though two and three are very very strong.
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  It just happens though like that happens with TV in general,
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  especially when you take an idea when you have an idea that's
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  more likely to be self-contained like the bear.
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  Have you watched The Bear of? Course I've watched the.
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  Bear so the first season amazing, really on point,
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  whatever. And then everything else is
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  like, OK, well, yeah. Or like Ted Lasso, like it.
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  It's just so obvious that it wasn't supposed to go that long
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  or that far and they didn't plan ahead.
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  And I think that's what you lose.
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  It's like, oh, Squid Game now featuring this and everybody's
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  kind of on, you know what I mean?
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  Yes, there's something about it that's like, OK, don't muck this
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  up. Yeah, yeah.
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  Like, everybody's kind of like, oh.
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  Because they had nothing. I'm going to draw my inspiration
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  from this. Player, the actors, the crew,
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  the director. There was nothing to lose at
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  that point. No, like he already reached the
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  moon as far as. Afterward, when it lit up
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  everything and everybody watched Squid Game, then it was like,
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  oh, OK, I guess. Then Netflix started funneling
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  money behind it and that's when you got the merch.
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  That's when you got the spin off Squid Game Game show craziness.
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  The Dalgona branded coffee, I see that little girl from Red
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  Light, Green light literally everywhere at the Asian market.
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  As cell charms, as this, as that.
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  Yeah, yeah. It wasn't meant for all that.
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  So I think nobody knew, kind of. They all acted very well,
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  obviously, but the magic's gone 'cause they're like, oh shit,
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  I'm on the global stage. Like they were doing a show
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  thinking they were doing a Korean drama, a Korean like
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  action show that might end up in the USI could.
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  Always I think there's something special about like, you know how
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  you, I don't know how to put it, but like you filter yourself if
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  you think someone's watching you.
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  Yes, and you can see that with the actors.
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  And that somehow is in the DNA of two and three.
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  It feels bigger and bolder, but the things that they made bigger
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  and bolder weren't necessarily something we were asking for.
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  You could see it in the cast, too.
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  They kind of had parallels to the first season of the cast,
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  like the shaman was just like the crazy bitch from the first
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  season, right? Or, you know, they swapped out a
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  lesbian for a trans character so that there's a parallel.
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  They switched out an elderly cowardly like gangster type with
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  an elderly cowardly salary man like office worker type.
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  So it's kind of like they, they didn't really go that far with
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  the characters in that different direction.
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  They they all worked with it but there was a copy paste going on.
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  There is a lot of copy paste. There's a lot of parallel
• 21:40
  characters and archetypes that show up in both season 1 and
• 21:45
  then season 2/3. Someone on TikTok and I think I
• 21:49
  re retweeted. I'm about to say retweeted.
• 21:53
  I reposted the video because I really enjoyed it and I agreed
• 21:58
  completely. I think it, I think it was a
• 22:01
  Korean American who was talking about the structure of Squid
• 22:05
  Game and how it's just a parable.
• 22:09
  And I was like, perfect, perfect way to put it.
• 22:12
  And yes, absolutely, they're 100% right.
• 22:14
  And before I saw the video, I was thinking deeply about The
• 22:18
  Canterbury Tales because I'm visiting Canterbury next week on
• 22:22
  vacation. And I am a former English major.
• 22:25
  So I was like, Oh my God, we're going to fucking Canterbury.
• 22:29
  Like that's a huge fucking deal anyway, so.
• 22:32
  Stop on the Shire on your way there.
• 22:34
  And stop it anyway. We're not going there, but we
• 22:36
  are going to Canterbury. And it made me think of the
• 22:39
  Canterbury Tales. I'm learning the prologue to
• 22:41
  Chaucer and all of those stories that I remember reading and
• 22:47
  studying in school, Him saying, oh, Squid Game is basically a
• 22:51
  Korean parable with all of these characters representing
• 22:55
  different facets of society, and they're not meant to be these
• 22:58
  deep character studies on these people.
• 23:01
  They are meant to represent a very fractured and interesting
• 23:05
  and diverse society. All of these different You have
• 23:09
  the single unmarried mother who's about to give birth.
• 23:14
  You have the crypto guy, the crypto scammer.
• 23:17
  You have the drug addicts, You have the, you know, the gambling
• 23:21
  addicts. You have all of these people
• 23:24
  from the what is perceived as the underbelly of Korean
• 23:27
  society. And there's not supposed to be a
• 23:32
  ton of character development. Yeah, that makes sense.
• 23:35
  Kind of like 5 characters in search of an exit.
• 23:37
  Type. That's what I mean by oh,
• 23:38
  there's archetypes that match the archetypes in season 1.
• 23:42
  Yeah, yeah. And well, that's a spoiler, but
• 23:46
  it's, you know what? I agree with that.
• 23:49
  It is and it is. It is a parable, and it's a
• 23:51
  pretty good one too. And it's an.
• 23:52
  Amazing one. I, I, I love it for that.
• 23:54
  I love it for the message that it's saying.
• 23:57
  Cause again, tons of social commentary, a ton of critique.
• 24:02
  It's, I think the director was like, it's allegorical, it's
• 24:05
  satire, it's whatever. All of these terms that sort of
• 24:09
  kind of mean the same thing, but yeah, it's saying something.
• 24:14
  Yeah. And it's pretty.
• 24:15
  It's it's heavy and familiar. It's very familiar.
• 24:18
  To you're gonna recognize people and because it's from the Korean
• 24:23
  perspective, because it's AK drama, these people are Korean
• 24:28
  society. Yeah, what was cool and what was
• 24:30
  global was that everybody saw maybe something that they could
• 24:34
  relate to. Yeah, people are like all over.
• 24:37
  That's the big take away honestly, especially with the
• 24:41
  crypto guy. The crypto guy yeah let's talk
• 24:45
  about the ending and in non spoiler terms because we got a
• 24:50
  question on Instagram. Someone was like, I want you to
• 24:53
  talk about the ending hate because people fucking hated
• 24:57
  this ending. Yeah, this person said.
• 25:00
  I liked it but I think the majority of people aren't
• 25:03
  consuming K dramas who shit on it.
• 25:07
  Oh. And so that was a different way
• 25:09
  of putting it, of way of like kind of rationalizing why people
• 25:13
  might not have appreciated the ending and what it was doing.
• 25:19
  I can kind of, I can kind of get behind that.
• 25:21
  I can kind of get behind that. I think that the way that they
• 25:26
  set up endings in the West is very different.
• 25:30
  What do you mean by that? Well, I mean, it's a spoiler.
• 25:33
  So like, it's, I guess I just mean they're more pragmatic in
• 25:39
  Korean dramas. They're more pragmatic.
• 25:41
  And it's like, I can't believe this happened.
• 25:43
  And when you really ask that out loud, you look at it, it's like,
• 25:46
  well, why did I think that, 'cause I'm used to the writing
• 25:49
  that we have here against all odds, this, that kind of milieu
• 25:54
  of like, we'll find a way to make it happen.
• 25:57
  Yeah, Deus Ex machina happy. Deus Ex machina, Yeah, there
• 26:01
  ain't no Deus, ain't no machina. I know none of that over there.
• 26:04
  Like nothing, nothing. They're just like, all right.
• 26:08
  Well, it, it kind of forces the viewer, especially I would say
• 26:14
  one that's not in a Korean audience or familiar with Korean
• 26:18
  dramas. It's like, OK, so you're
• 26:20
  disappointed. Why?
• 26:22
  Well, because I thought this would happen.
• 26:23
  And why would you think that you didn't watch the rest of the
• 26:25
  show? That's what it forces you to
• 26:27
  reconcile with. So I can, I can kind of agree
• 26:30
  with that comment because yeah, no, this isn't an American show,
• 26:35
  guys. Like it's.
• 26:37
  Not yeah, I watched a couple Disney movies today and I was
• 26:39
  like, man, we are so not that I hate them, I love them.
• 26:44
  But I feel like as a society, we're so conditioned to want
• 26:48
  the, you know, Avengers end game ending.
• 26:52
  You know what I'm saying? When really it should have ended
• 26:55
  like the Thanos snap. It's like he snapped everyone
• 26:59
  out of existence, guys. Like there's no coming.
• 27:02
  Right, right. There's a there's a don't worry.
• 27:05
  The Prince comes and kisses her and she wakes up.
• 27:09
  Don't worry, We're gonna. We're gonna reverse all of this
• 27:13
  through crazy, fantastical means.
• 27:16
  And it's something that, you know, historically we did
• 27:19
  specifically Disney, right? Because Pinocchio was a
• 27:24
  serialized comic where it was like a sadistic, A serialized
• 27:29
  comic about making fun of the misfortunes of this wooden boy
• 27:32
  who's pathetically thinks he's going to be like a real boy.
• 27:35
  Maleficent holds the Prince until he's like 1000 years old
• 27:39
  and then releases him. Like, it was a really mean but
• 27:43
  realistic form of storytelling. For the longest time.
• 27:47
  We got used to like, the better ending so fast.
• 27:50
  Yeah, doesn't always work either.
• 27:52
  Right. And I think that's the when the
• 27:55
  Western audience sees, you know, their favorite characters going
• 28:00
  through trials and tribulations. And then the the trials and
• 28:03
  tribulations don't end. There's no reversal of fortune
• 28:08
  that makes people upset. Sometimes you're just job guys
• 28:13
  like, yeah, like that's it. Like, I personally really liked
• 28:20
  the ending. I thought it was very powerful
• 28:23
  and I thought it was a lot more positive than people were
• 28:25
  thinking it was. I I could see where you're
• 28:30
  coming. From I found a lot more Nuggets
• 28:33
  of positivity. Yes, then.
• 28:37
  I think most people saw maybe on first watch.
• 28:42
  Oh yeah, yeah. People didn't look at it very
• 28:44
  analytically, the Discourse or whatever we're calling.
• 28:48
  I love when you say discourse. Every time he says discourse
• 28:51
  people, he does air clothes with his.
• 28:53
  Hands it. It just feels like a buzzer now.
• 28:56
  It's like, oh, the narrative around Squid Game, like, just
• 28:58
  stop. We're talking about a show.
• 29:00
  Relax. But I think it's so reactionary
• 29:03
  how people have been commenting about the ending, yeah, that I
• 29:06
  feel like they're missing. They're missing so many little
• 29:09
  things. That's how I feel.
• 29:10
  It's like, oh, you missed it. And you read it in the comments
• 29:13
  too. But these are the same people
• 29:14
  who are like, oh, fan theory. This was actually the game
• 29:17
  leader sneaking into the game. It's like, no, that's not a
• 29:19
  theory, guys. Like that's.
• 29:21
  Yes. So I think they're missing it
• 29:24
  and it makes me feel sad because I don't think people really
• 29:26
  revisit anything anymore. I know.
• 29:28
  So I think they're going to watch it, think that they hated
• 29:30
  it, missed all this stuff. But there is.
• 29:32
  What will come out of it is man, season 3 of Squid Games sucked.
• 29:38
  And that's the whole thing. And that's the whole thing.
• 29:39
  That's scores. Like.
• 29:43
  And then you go, oh, why did you think it sucked?
• 29:45
  And they're they'll give you the ending.
• 29:48
  Yeah. Or they'll give you there was no
• 29:51
  character development. That's not even true.
• 29:54
  First of all. I think it's not even true.
• 29:57
  We got character development like 2 of the episodes of this
• 30:00
  fractured season we got to see they developed.
• 30:04
  It happened. They gave you some, they gave
• 30:07
  you a little bit, but again, this story was never, I think
• 30:12
  built on this character is going to surprise you and do something
• 30:20
  totally different, contrary. Anybody.
• 30:23
  This is my feeling on it when it comes to character development.
• 30:27
  Anybody who voted to proceed after the second game, you
• 30:30
  should know what it's hitting for by now.
• 30:33
  You know what I mean? Like as a viewer, it's like, Oh,
• 30:35
  well, this guy went through these two or three challenges
• 30:38
  and they still voted to keep going.
• 30:40
  There is no development. There's no nothing.
• 30:43
  We're just going to see the worst parts of what they've
• 30:45
  already revealed to us. So that's what I find weird
• 30:49
  about the whole character development thing.
• 30:51
  It's like, oh, how could, for example, how could he have done
• 30:54
  that? It's like, how could he have not
• 30:56
  or she have not? Like they voted through every
• 30:59
  single round. They're watching people die all
• 31:03
  around them, main cast and extras, and they still proceed
• 31:07
  to continue the game. Like what do you want to know
• 31:10
  about this character? Like what is there to develop
• 31:12
  like? It's sending a message, I just
• 31:16
  don't think they like the message.
• 31:20
  Anyways so this is I think as far as you can go is talking
• 31:23
  about the ending without ever actually talking about specifics
• 31:28
  for the ending. This I think we could talk about
• 31:31
  in the non spoiler section. We had someone ask thoughts on
• 31:35
  could the VIPs have just sat there in their masks instead of
• 31:40
  being cringe? That's a question for the ages.
• 31:45
  I think that they should have put them in AVIP room off
• 31:50
  camera, never to be seen. We didn't need them.
• 31:54
  It was horrible. It was horrible.
• 31:58
  No word of a lie. I would out of cringe start
• 32:01
  clicking. I have an Apple TV so it does
• 32:02
  the little like 5 and 10 click by pressure.
• 32:05
  I would just go like and just immediately go to the and I
• 32:09
  would be like no I can't. So I would rewind.
• 32:12
  What was with the ADR voices? Dude they were so the VI PS We
• 32:17
  finally see the VI PS I guess. Minor spoiler.
• 32:20
  We see them in season 3 because after a certain part, once they
• 32:26
  surpass a certain game and there's less players, the VIP
• 32:30
  show up to the island just like in season 1.
• 32:33
  So the VIP show up in season 3. Listen this has got to be some
• 32:39
  of the most cringe worthy goofiest dubbing blatant dubbing
• 32:46
  that I have seen in K drama period.
• 32:50
  And granted, we've been watching K Drive for a long time.
• 32:54
  English speaking characters, always without bail suck.
• 33:01
  They're just the worst actors. Like just got somebody off the
• 33:04
  street who could barely put two sentences together and they're
• 33:09
  like, hey, you can you read? Read this.
• 33:14
  And that is how it feels. And they're not even Korean.
• 33:19
  So like, are they finding Dutch people, like on the street?
• 33:21
  Like what is this accent? What is this?
• 33:23
  Voice look. Or in the Korean dramas, when
• 33:26
  they get back from Princeton or Stanford or Harvard and they
• 33:30
  speak in the most broken English possible, like it's.
• 33:33
  Just. But they've been there for 10
• 33:34
  years, right? Yeah.
• 33:36
  It's just astonishing how bad the VIPs were.
• 33:42
  It distractingly bad. Who okayed that?
• 33:44
  Like, I'm baffled that, like, this is a mega.
• 33:48
  This is Netflix, right? Like nothing gets past them.
• 33:52
  How does even the actors, I had read the actors had actually
• 33:56
  spoken out about that. The VIP actors.
• 33:58
  Yeah. And they saw it.
• 33:59
  And they're like, we don't know why we were dubbed over.
• 34:02
  Like we're all native English speakers.
• 34:04
  Like I don't. Yeah, now they've taken their
• 34:07
  performance out of it. I was because these people are
• 34:10
  swearing. Up and down, I can actually act.
• 34:12
  I don't speak like that. Well, it's a good thing they're
• 34:15
  wearing masks. In like a pantomime of a person
• 34:18
  who speaks English. I heard a rumor that this is how
• 34:23
  people English speak, so I'm basing it off that this is what
• 34:27
  they say English sounds like. It's just, I don't know why they
• 34:30
  tampered with it. It totally diminished the show.
• 34:33
  They took too much screen time. They took up way too much screen
• 34:36
  time. I hated the VIPs.
• 34:39
  I mean, The thing is, they're supposed to be, on some level,
• 34:42
  really cartoonish. Yeah, They're supposed to
• 34:45
  represent the most horrible, elitist, deplorable people.
• 34:51
  Yeah, I mean. So I don't know if he, the
• 34:55
  director, is making fun of these people by making them sound so
• 35:00
  goofy. Goofy.
• 35:03
  Yeah, I mean, I guess the English the script.
• 35:07
  The script also was horrendous for them the.
• 35:09
  Script was. It was a step up just.
• 35:11
  Flimsiest thing I've ever seen. But you know what's crazy?
• 35:14
  I can actually accept because I remember the first season.
• 35:18
  I hate it. But you do the eye roll thing
• 35:20
  where someone in a Korean drama was like, hey, you there because
• 35:23
  you're not expecting English at all.
• 35:25
  So I kind of rolled my eyes there or whatever.
• 35:26
  Then it becomes a global phenomenon and it becomes this
• 35:29
  massive explosion. Surely they can't make this
• 35:32
  mistake twice. Not only did they fuck it up
• 35:35
  again, but they had to dub over it so I'm just and then I could
• 35:42
  forgive all of it. I honestly could fine, but it
• 35:46
  was way too much time on screen. We should have gotten a glimpse
• 35:49
  of them like twice and move on. We get it, rich people are
• 35:52
  watching. It's, I mean, they're the choir,
• 35:55
  right? In a Greek tragedy, they're the
• 35:57
  choir. We don't need a choir.
• 36:00
  They're the ones talking about what's happening, the action
• 36:05
  that's happening. But I feel like they don't trust
• 36:07
  us to, like, derive that nuance from it, you know what I mean?
• 36:13
  Like. I think the director really
• 36:15
  thought I want the perspective of the worst of the worst to be
• 36:23
  commentating like sport commentators throughout the
• 36:27
  Squid Games. And it would have been grueling
• 36:29
  and had the effect he wanted if good.
• 36:33
  If I wasn't laughing ass off every time they were on.
• 36:35
  Me or just like cringing into a new life form just like like an
• 36:40
  Autobot just crunching into myself it's.
• 36:44
  Just. We didn't need it.
• 36:48
  I didn't like it. I didn't like it at all.
• 36:49
  So that's the answer to that question.
• 36:51
  All right. What would you give Squid Game
• 36:54
  season 3 out of five told you bottles. 3 1/2, maybe a four,
• 37:01
  maybe my initial thing here. I think my opinion will change
• 37:04
  as we talk about it more. I haven't talked about it to
• 37:06
  anyone, but for now I'm going to give it a 3.53. .5 OK yeah I'll
• 37:10
  give it a 4 but I'm trying to offset the feeling of a bad
• 37:16
  experience. You know, that's a hard one,
• 37:19
  dude. That's a hard one.
• 37:21
  That's really hard to do. I would love to rewatch this
• 37:25
  down the line when the discourse has died down and nobody.
• 37:31
  Can come back and change the narrative.
• 37:35
  I think it was incredibly unfair for, for, for me, for, for a lot
• 37:41
  of people because yes, I'm a fan of Squid Game.
• 37:42
  Yes, I appreciate it. Yes, I've been doing views on
• 37:45
  Squid Game, but the fact that this feeding frenzy has come
• 37:52
  from my throat and diminish my view is, to me, unacceptable.
• 37:57
  That's fair. O I'm giving it a four out of
• 38:00
  five, kind of against my better judgment because I want to give
• 38:04
  it a 3 1/2, but I'll give it a four because I do feel like the
• 38:07
  craft is there. The story is strong.
• 38:13
  I did have reactions throughout the episodes as they went on.
• 38:17
  It was definitely a heavy show. This is not for the faint of
• 38:20
  heart. This is not for those who are
• 38:22
  squeamish and don't like blood and don't like violence.
• 38:25
  Of obviously all those things still apply for Season 3 and I
• 38:30
  think that the message was really powerful, if only diluted
• 38:36
  by the capitalist machine that is Netflix.
• 38:40
  Yeah, Yeah. That's, you know what, that's
• 38:43
  fair and that's a really generous I.
• 38:47
  But are you doing that for just Season 3 or are you doing that
• 38:50
  knowing that two and three are basically one season?
• 38:52
  No No. For Season 3.
• 38:53
  For Season 3. OK.
• 38:55
  Yeah. All right.
• 38:56
  All right, all right. Fair.
• 38:58
  And I feel like I have a lot of notes, but not that many notes.
• 39:00
  But we'll get into it right after this.
• 39:04
  Excuse me, I can't, you know, I am noting.
• 39:10
  Oh, sorry. All right, we're on the other
• 39:20
  side of spoilers and we are going to talk at length about
• 39:23
  what the hell happened in Squid Game Season 3.
• 39:26
  We're going to talk spoilers. We're going to go into, I think,
• 39:30
  a little bit of detail. I think that's what the people
• 39:35
  want. So let's talk about I.
• 39:39
  Should we go in order? Should we just go in episode
• 39:41
  order? Yeah, sure.
• 39:43
  Episode 1 Keys and Knives we see that 8 managers and 27 soldiers
• 39:49
  died in the melee of the end of season 2, which was the
• 39:53
  insurrection, the rebellion, the uprising, you know?
• 39:58
  The fallout of it all. The fallout it was 8 managers,
• 40:02
  27 soldiers on the Squid Game side, and 35 players died.
• 40:06
  For those doing math at home, that is exactly the same number.
• 40:10
  So 35 Squid Game employees and 35 players died and this game,
• 40:16
  this Quid Games, they're obsessed with fairness.
• 40:20
  Yeah. I think from jump 001 was like,
• 40:23
  oh, if he wants to rebel and play this hero game, I'll let
• 40:28
  him, but it has to be fair. That's pretty cool, honestly.
• 40:32
  I was thinking that was interesting and something of
• 40:36
  note. They string up the rebel players
• 40:41
  as they're heading to the next game.
• 40:44
  They see them hanging up there and I thought that was really
• 40:47
  barbaric. They didn't clean up the walls
• 40:49
  either. They didn't clean up the walls
• 40:51
  or nothing. Terrifying.
• 40:53
  Blood splatter and the bullet holes everywhere.
• 40:56
  Aftermath of the massacre. There was something about the
• 41:00
  rebel players being strung up that I was like, this is very
• 41:03
  like, just medieval. Yeah, very.
• 41:06
  Look at what your insulins got you.
• 41:08
  Let this be a warning to you. Heads on the spikes type it was,
• 41:13
  and even then, I'm really cautious about saying this, but
• 41:16
  I think you'll know what I mean. Even then, that was probably as
• 41:19
  dignified as they could have gotten with it because they were
• 41:23
  hanging by their wrists from a centerpiece.
• 41:27
  I thought they were going to do worse than that.
• 41:28
  Like I thought they were going to make a real big shot.
• 41:30
  I thought they were going to leave the bodies in place, not
• 41:33
  clean anything up. And it's like, walk around.
• 41:36
  You thought they were going to leave the bodies in place?
• 41:38
  See, I thought they were going to do what they usually do,
• 41:40
  which was just drag the bodies off, put them in a casket, and
• 41:43
  then cremate them. Yeah.
• 41:46
  But no, they went the extra mile and they hung them up as a
• 41:49
  message. Yeah, to scare them.
• 41:51
  It was gross and it was really gross.
• 41:56
  We get the 4th game, it's hide and seek.
• 41:58
  I heard someone online saying this is not a fair hide and seek
• 42:03
  because the keys that everybody got who were hiding did not open
• 42:07
  all the doors because the doors had different locks that were in
• 42:13
  the different shapes of the triangle, the square and the
• 42:15
  circle. And to open the final door to
• 42:18
  escape the exit, you needed all three keys.
• 42:22
  And they were like, that's not fair.
• 42:24
  And then some doors led to nowhere.
• 42:28
  They were just death traps. Yeah, like you would fall to
• 42:31
  your death. Yeah.
• 42:32
  Oh my God. I thought it this is like the
• 42:35
  whole thing is that this is a bastardized democratic voting
• 42:38
  process. This is a bastardized idea of
• 42:41
  fairness as well. Because what other game then
• 42:46
  would be fair, right? It's yeah, I don't really.
• 42:50
  I mean, I can see where they're coming from.
• 42:51
  I. Can see why they were upset but
• 42:53
  also like they're they're under 24/7 surveillance.
• 42:56
  There's an entire staff that's dedicated to watching their
• 43:00
  every move, to listening to them, to facilitating the games.
• 43:05
  Yeah, the fact that the keys were not opening every door, I
• 43:09
  was like, this is like, beyond the pale.
• 43:11
  Like I of course of course they don't open every single door.
• 43:15
  Yeah, and isn't that like real high?
• 43:17
  That's like hide and seek in real life too, though, right?
• 43:20
  Because it's like, oh, I thought I found a place to hide, but
• 43:22
  just kidding, I didn't, you know?
• 43:23
  And and it's also a culling game though, isn't it?
• 43:26
  Right. Because it's meant to get the
• 43:28
  most players out of play. We're near the end.
• 43:32
  You thought you found the exit 1800.
• 43:34
  You thought you got. You need two other people.
• 43:36
  They need distinct keys like Oh, I didn't expect Morgan, it was
• 43:40
  1800 you. Thought but in this.
• 43:42
  Episode this is this is a big culling game.
• 43:44
  It was a it's like, OK, we're nearing the end now let's start
• 43:47
  wiping people out so it makes sense why they did it that way.
• 43:50
  And yeah, I mean, in hide and go seek, you can't really hide
• 43:55
  behind a locked door. You can't hide like, you're not
• 43:57
  supposed to do that. You have to hide in a place
• 44:00
  where you could reasonably be found.
• 44:01
  Because I saw criticism about that.
• 44:03
  It's like, oh, that's BS. Like you can't even lock the
• 44:05
  door once you've opened it. It's like, well, yeah, like if
• 44:09
  you were. Saying hide and seek.
• 44:12
  Yeah, like once you open this door, you cannot go back.
• 44:16
  You can't lock it again. It's open forever.
• 44:19
  And it's the same with all of these characters.
• 44:22
  They're not. Even if they win, they cannot
• 44:24
  return to who they were before. There's no winning the games.
• 44:29
  I've had trauma from less. I don't know how they would
• 44:31
  react to society and just like. So, you know, the fact that they
• 44:38
  couldn't lock the door behind them and there was no sense of
• 44:41
  safety, Yeah. I mean, it's a it's a game.
• 44:45
  It's it's for entertainment purposes, to entertain the
• 44:49
  elite, the the VIPs. Exactly.
• 44:51
  That's the whole point. You're there for someone else's
• 44:54
  enjoy. I mean, all things considered,
• 44:55
  the games are very, very fair in a in a very psychotic way,
• 45:02
  right? But they have a logic that all
• 45:04
  the games have a logic that if you're paying attention close
• 45:06
  enough, like it's like, OK, fine.
• 45:08
  Like, but considering it's a game of life and death, it's
• 45:12
  very sophisticated. At least it's not like, I don't
• 45:14
  know, fight to the death. Here you go in an open like
• 45:18
  airspace and they're just giving everybody knives, you know what
• 45:21
  I mean? Like, there's rules, there's
• 45:22
  structure, there's. And it always devolves into
• 45:26
  that. Every time.
• 45:27
  Yeah, it every time. So we get red team, they're the
• 45:30
  taggers. They have to hide.
• 45:32
  Nope, never mind. Have that backward.
• 45:34
  The red team of the Tigers, they have to kill the blue team and
• 45:37
  they're given little toy, what look like toy daggers.
• 45:40
  That was so funny and it's like sailor moans.
• 45:43
  Like the scene where Gian is walking like angrily like a man
• 45:50
  on a mission and they focus on his hand with this little knife.
• 45:54
  Cracked me up. Yeah, it looks like a little toy
• 45:56
  knife. I will say Gian at this point is
• 46:00
  a different man, right? You see how the games have taken
• 46:05
  a toll on him, how the rebellion or the the losses that he took
• 46:10
  has played on his mind, on his spirit.
• 46:13
  He feels guilty. Yeah, he feels.
• 46:16
  Incredibly guilty. He's putting that all on his
• 46:18
  shoulders because he's like, I LED these people to their death.
• 46:21
  And for what? And for?
• 46:22
  What? He took the all the way
• 46:24
  downtown, like the whole like he just got on and never got off.
• 46:28
  I felt so bad for him. I'm like damn, Nope, I got Una.
• 46:31
  Like everything that he does is so.
• 46:34
  Yeah, but he was it. The only I can remember, a
• 46:38
  couple of players basically come together and they're like, hey,
• 46:41
  Kangan Dole, who's player 388 Bao is the name of that
• 46:45
  character. Yeah, he fucked up.
• 46:48
  He came back for the magazines and was in a puddle in the fetal
• 46:53
  position on the floor. Never made it back, just sat
• 46:56
  there and didn't do anything and was cowardly.
• 46:59
  That is all that Kia needs to place blame on somebody else.
• 47:03
  He needs a scapegoat. Yeah, you know, for his own
• 47:06
  psyche. Because even if he would have
• 47:09
  gotten the magazines out there, like let's be so for real,
• 47:12
  they're not going to win. Like they were like they might
• 47:15
  have gotten a couple of more of the pink soldiers down.
• 47:18
  This was. Controlled chaos.
• 47:20
  Yeah, if he wanted to, the leader could have just opened
• 47:23
  fire on everybody and just ended it.
• 47:25
  Yeah. Oh, well, he What about that
• 47:29
  reveal though? I mean, not really a reveal
• 47:31
  because we suspected it. Yeah.
• 47:33
  So next episode is * night and we get this reveal that 388,
• 47:38
  which is Kongano's character, did not serve in the Marines.
• 47:42
  Now, I think a lot of people were upset because the
• 47:45
  translation was off. It made it seem that he had
• 47:47
  never served ever in the military when really he had
• 47:51
  served in sort of like a service personnel capacity.
• 47:55
  He was not in the Marines, but he did technically serve his
• 48:01
  time in the military. Like when someone says they're a
• 48:04
  Marine but they work a desk job in Kuwait or something or like.
• 48:08
  No, it's not even that it was. It was like another like AI
• 48:12
  don't know how to explain it but he did not.
• 48:15
  Like he's never seen combat basically.
• 48:18
  OK, so he served in the military under social services personnel,
• 48:23
  implying that he wasn't considered mentally fit to go to
• 48:26
  the regular military service. So he gets a Marine tattoo even
• 48:32
  though he never was a Marine. That's so sad.
• 48:34
  He's a wannabe, a pretender. A liar.
• 48:39
  A liar because he did go to the. He did serve.
• 48:43
  In the in the military technically, but social services
• 48:48
  personnel is not the same as active duty Marine.
• 48:52
  I still can't help but feel somewhat bad for him, but Oh
• 48:56
  well. He just wanted to play with the
• 48:58
  guys. He just wanted to be accepted.
• 49:00
  The thing is, I do and I don't because the tattoo is like a a
• 49:03
  step too far. Definitely.
• 49:05
  The tattoo. That's like hypey territory.
• 49:07
  Yeah, and him being in that situation, I under, I understand
• 49:10
  him lying through his teeth. Yeah, but also, what the hell?
• 49:15
  He was also lying before he ever entered the Squid Game because
• 49:18
  of the tattoo. Yeah, yeah.
• 49:21
  So stolen valor. I wonder if that's a thing over
• 49:23
  there. Well, people are saying it's not
• 49:24
  technically stolen valor because he did serve his, you know, 2
• 49:29
  year military term, but it was under this this other like
• 49:35
  social services. Yeah, which a lot of people do.
• 49:38
  Yeah, that's fine. It's but it's not he's in.
• 49:43
  There's nothing wrong with the job, but it's the very
• 49:46
  intentional. Like you hear Marine, you think,
• 49:49
  damn, he was on the front lines doing the GI Joe thing and like,
• 49:53
  girl, you weren't GI Joe, You weren't GI anything like you
• 49:55
  were like you weren't doing that.
• 49:57
  No, to represent. Yeah, OK, it's slimy.
• 50:00
  It's slimy but it sucks because the light caught up with them
• 50:03
  and look at what it turned into. Right.
• 50:06
  I was really frustrated with this character at the end of
• 50:08
  season 2 because he is very cowardly and he cowers in a
• 50:15
  corner and he's having this trauma response.
• 50:18
  I understand that, but trauma to nothing.
• 50:20
  He's just scared. Yeah, right.
• 50:23
  It's not. AI wouldn't say it's a trauma
• 50:25
  response at that point. I think it's.
• 50:27
  He's just fucking scared out of out of his mind.
• 50:29
  Yeah, because you would think, OK, my whole thing with him was
• 50:32
  like, all right, this sucks, but you know, we lost another one to
• 50:37
  PTSD. Like, OK, no problem.
• 50:39
  Like, it's lousy timing, but you can't control that.
• 50:42
  He saw combat like he probably. And now.
• 50:45
  So it's like, oh, you were just like, scared.
• 50:48
  Right. And The thing is, I I feel for
• 50:50
  him because yes, it's scary. The situation is awful.
• 50:54
  Of course everyone is afraid. But if this was a military
• 50:59
  operation, he's a deserter. And also how does that?
• 51:01
  But whatever, that's fine. Like.
• 51:05
  The thing is, in episode 2456, Kyun is out for blood.
• 51:10
  He's going directly to 388. He is letting people go on the
• 51:15
  blue team because he wants to kill specifically Kanganol's
• 51:21
  388. Yeah, 'cause they're screaming
• 51:23
  for their lives and he just walks past.
• 51:25
  I actually think I wrote a note about that.
• 51:27
  Let me see. 0456 is crazed. Look, suits him well.
• 51:31
  It's very scary 'cause it's true.
• 51:34
  He's a man on a mission, He's in a, he's in a trance.
• 51:38
  He's like going for it. He doesn't care who's getting
• 51:41
  stabbed, who's in his way. He's just weaving through and
• 51:44
  just looking for him. That was wild.
• 51:47
  What I found interesting with that, we'll just follow through
• 51:49
  with them until the end. Before we talk about other
• 51:51
  things in this episode, 'cause this episode gets wild, but the
• 51:55
  whole reason why the knives were brought out in the first place
• 51:59
  is that people were like, you expect us to kill people on the
• 52:03
  blue team with our bare hands? That's crazy, that's barbaric.
• 52:08
  No, we're not. We can't do that.
• 52:09
  There's no way we're going to be able to do that.
• 52:11
  So then they're like, Oh well, here's a gift for the red team,
• 52:16
  the taggers, and then hand out the knives.
• 52:19
  I think the bare hands thing would have been more
• 52:20
  interesting. And 456 doesn't use the knife to
• 52:24
  kill 388. He uses his bare hands.
• 52:27
  Yeah, to suffocate him to death. It's like real primal rage, like
• 52:33
  real, just very Cane and Abel very back to basics, very like,
• 52:38
  no, I'm going to use my own force to just kill you.
• 52:41
  And he didn't take any handouts from the soldiers to do it.
• 52:46
  Like he's like, I don't need their help in killing you.
• 52:48
  I I got this. It was really intense.
• 52:51
  It was one of the most intense killings in the whole.
• 52:54
  Thing and the fact that Kanga Noel's character and I love this
• 52:57
  acting here, Kanga Noel again, really amazing actor.
• 53:01
  I really, really respect him. His standoff with him is
• 53:04
  fantastic. Even before, you know, he gets
• 53:06
  strangled to death. He's he's challenging 456 and
• 53:10
  saying, no, it's your fault that all of these people died.
• 53:14
  It's not on me. Oh my God that this operation
• 53:17
  failed. The gall of it all.
• 53:20
  Because it's like yeah, but also like no.
• 53:23
  I mean, he's a cornered person. It was never, he was never going
• 53:27
  to say the sanest thing. He was never going to be.
• 53:30
  You're right, I definitely am totally to blame for this thing
• 53:36
  going South. The childish Gambit, one of my
• 53:39
  favorite. It wasn't really a gag, but one
• 53:41
  of my favorite things about that scene is he's hiding behind the
• 53:45
  door. He's just hiding behind the
• 53:48
  door. And just like you do as a little
• 53:50
  kid, it's like, oh shit, they found where I'm hiding.
• 53:52
  So you'll try to like do this thing where you'll hide in like
• 53:55
  a coat in the closet or you'll hide behind a door or whatever.
• 53:59
  That cracked me up. I don't know.
• 54:00
  It's such a small detail. It is a small.
• 54:02
  Detail, but cowering like a child.
• 54:04
  Like a literal child. It's not a bad plan.
• 54:07
  I would do the same thing, but when you butt that up against
• 54:11
  everything else you know about 388, you're like, this guy's a
• 54:14
  fucking punk, like. And and that's what it tells
• 54:16
  you, because anybody who's not a punk would do that same thing,
• 54:20
  Wait till they hear the footsteps, peek over to see, and
• 54:23
  then just slip out the door and run in the other.
• 54:26
  But no, he's too scared to even do that.
• 54:29
  I just I do love how it's mind games before that because 456 is
• 54:33
  staring his ass down. Yeah, the whole time and he just
• 54:37
  keeps looking out of the corner of his.
• 54:39
  And it just, I mean, it riles him up.
• 54:41
  It gets him so anxious. And I, I just love that lead up
• 54:44
  to both of them. But 456 after he strangles him,
• 54:47
  he does come to terms pretty instantaneously with his own
• 54:52
  guilt. And he admits it is my fault,
• 54:56
  even though it's really not his fault.
• 54:59
  He had noble intentions. They came together as a team.
• 55:02
  He went into the games with these intentions to shut it all
• 55:05
  down. He wanted to save people, right?
• 55:08
  Like it wasn't. That was the plan all along.
• 55:11
  Like that was the execution of the whole reason he came back.
• 55:15
  So. And if not, like what's the
• 55:17
  alternative when it comes to blame?
• 55:19
  Like what's the alternative? They were all just going to die
• 55:21
  in the game anyway. Everybody was probably.
• 55:24
  Going to die him raging against this game in all of the the
• 55:30
  whole he doesn't want to be a cog in this machine and die and
• 55:35
  have all of these people die too.
• 55:37
  He's really trying to save people and.
• 55:40
  People died. You got to break a few eggs.
• 55:41
  Like it's like they were going to die.
• 55:44
  I do remember talking about that in the season 2 episode of How
• 55:47
  it is challenging 001. The front man in disguise is
• 55:52
  challenging him and saying, oh, so it's OK that, you know, some
• 55:57
  people die while we're doing this and.
• 56:01
  Yeah. And he said, yeah, the ends
• 56:04
  justify the means, basically. They have to when you're up
• 56:07
  against something like that, Yeah.
• 56:09
  I mean, what's the alternative? People are going to die.
• 56:12
  And it was very damning, I think, for the 456 character.
• 56:16
  And he senses it now when he blames himself and he actually
• 56:20
  tries to commit suicide with the knife and they don't let him.
• 56:26
  That was so vile. They don't let him.
• 56:28
  They shoot the they shoot the knife out of his hand.
• 56:30
  That was vile. And then they tie him to a bed.
• 56:32
  He can't even sleep in a bed waiting for the next game.
• 56:35
  That's wild. I don't it was.
• 56:37
  I love this episode. It's really good.
• 56:39
  But this we haven't even covered the other thing, which is we got
• 56:42
  Team 2, which is the pregnant girl.
• 56:47
  We got player 222, that's Chuni. We have Kumja, which is player
• 56:53
  149, she's the Harmony character.
• 56:56
  And then we have Hyunju, the trans character player 120.
• 57:01
  Icon. Doing A tag team, they're a trio
• 57:04
  trying to help each other out in the game.
• 57:06
  They're all in the blue team. What do you have to say about
• 57:09
  this? I don't even know where to
• 57:11
  start. I just don't even know where to
• 57:12
  start. Her water breaks.
• 57:15
  Yeah, the baby is born inside 15 minutes.
• 57:19
  Like it comes fast. Yeah, I don't know.
• 57:22
  Like it's CGI. Oh.
• 57:25
  Oh, we. Want to talk about how they
• 57:27
  Renes made the baby? Oh.
• 57:31
  And they kept the bit they kept, they kept showing the baby,
• 57:33
  like, show it once, cover it in a swaddle.
• 57:37
  We'll trust that the baby's there.
• 57:39
  You don't have to keep showing us this Cronenberg baby like.
• 57:47
  I agree, I thought the CGI baby. That shit was rough.
• 57:50
  Bro it's the big 20 fives what are we doing?
• 57:55
  Renesme a baby. And for those who don't know,
• 57:57
  Renesme is the name of Edward and Bellis baby in The Twilight
• 58:04
  Saga. You.
• 58:06
  Imprisoned on my baby. Famously in the final Twilight
• 58:09
  movie they have a CGI baby and it's pretty horrendous, but it's
• 58:15
  better than the the animatronic baby that they had developed,
• 58:19
  which was terrifying but I can't believe that they CGI had the
• 58:25
  baby. That was scary like that was
• 58:27
  that was a scary baby. I I love that trio, by the way,
• 58:32
  I got to say I love that trio. Iconic set, perfect skill set,
• 58:36
  perfect everything. We have a beautiful quote from
• 58:38
  the Hellmany, she says. I knew we made a great team ever
• 58:41
  since we went to the bathroom together.
• 58:44
  That's sisterhood that was so iconic.
• 58:47
  I almost I teared up right there.
• 58:48
  But it was so good. Shit's going down.
• 58:51
  They are delivering the baby. Hellmany 149 uses her Pino to
• 58:57
  cut the umbilical cord, which is the little knife that she uses
• 59:01
  as a hairpin. And she ends up using that knife
• 59:06
  just a few minutes later to stab her son because her son
• 59:13
  purposely switched places with her to be on the red team and
• 59:17
  have to basically murder at least one person to pass the
• 59:21
  route. And.
• 59:22
  He couldn't even do that. And he couldn't do it.
• 59:25
  There was a less at least one or two times where it was very
• 59:30
  easy. I don't want to say easy because
• 59:32
  it is. He was perfectly in the position
• 59:34
  where he could take someone out like he it was handed to him and
• 59:38
  he still couldn't do it. So and you learn a lot.
• 59:41
  I mean, that's the thing about the character development,
• 59:44
  right? It's like, oh, there was, of
• 59:45
  course there was this guy who was a total bum who was a shit
• 59:48
  to his mom. We know that.
• 59:50
  He stopped short of murder and stopped short of like, like he
• 59:53
  can't do it. He can't do it.
• 59:54
  We know that he couldn't do it. He was soft, the mother said.
• 59:58
  So multiple times, she said I, I raised him to be this way, to be
• 1:00:02
  better. He was never like his father,
• 1:00:06
  who was abusive toward. Yeah, How about that quote?
• 1:00:10
  That's one of my favorite quotes.
• 1:00:11
  When it's like, Mom, do you think that we really should
• 1:00:14
  switch? Like, you're an old lady and
• 1:00:16
  she's like, your father abused me like routinely.
• 1:00:19
  I don't have the exact quote, but it's like and who's still
• 1:00:22
  alive And she's like you are and she goes exactly like I'm still
• 1:00:27
  here. She's a hard bitch so.
• 1:00:29
  She's hard. She This really rocked a lot of
• 1:00:32
  people. First of all, I think Koreans
• 1:00:36
  really hated this, the fact that the mother killed his son.
• 1:00:40
  Well, if that's where they're going to start drawing the line.
• 1:00:42
  Well, The thing is the Korean audience really lambasting this
• 1:00:48
  choice for the mom to kill her son.
• 1:00:50
  Blood runs thicker than water in Korea.
• 1:00:54
  But it's a mercy killing like it.
• 1:00:58
  It's a beautiful, like I thought it was a beautiful moment.
• 1:01:01
  Right, I was going to ask you how you interpreted it.
• 1:01:04
  Was she killing her son to save the mother, the new mother and
• 1:01:09
  the baby? I think she was doing two
• 1:01:10
  things. OK.
• 1:01:12
  I think, and I think she was doing both.
• 1:01:14
  And I thought, I, I thought it was a really beautiful moment,
• 1:01:16
  as sad as it was, but that was her keeping score.
• 1:01:20
  She's like, I think she calculated it this way.
• 1:01:23
  I'm an old woman. I don't have that much time to
• 1:01:25
  go. My son is not going to survive
• 1:01:27
  this game. This the time's going to run
• 1:01:30
  out. He's not going to survive the
• 1:01:32
  game or he's going to take the life of a mother or of a baby,
• 1:01:36
  whichever that was going to shake out.
• 1:01:39
  And even if he wins, he's never going to make it past this.
• 1:01:43
  So she spared everybody. She very quickly did the older,
• 1:01:49
  wiser person thing and decided, OK, well, he's not going to kill
• 1:01:53
  me because I'm his mom. Can't let him take offered these
• 1:01:56
  people. Yeah, she offered.
• 1:01:57
  She. Said like oh he will kill me
• 1:01:59
  then. Yeah, and he wasn't going to do
• 1:02:01
  it. And she's like, well, at this
• 1:02:03
  point I'm just going to have to kill him.
• 1:02:06
  And then at least I can spare him completely being killed by
• 1:02:10
  the game itself. And I can spare this baby and
• 1:02:13
  spare this baby's mom where they have their whole life ahead of
• 1:02:16
  them. What do you mean by being killed
• 1:02:17
  by the? Game well, because he does get
• 1:02:20
  killed by he gets finished off by the pink soldiers.
• 1:02:24
  Ostensibly they go in and shoot whatever life is left out of
• 1:02:27
  him, but he's as good as dead. She stabbed him in the spine
• 1:02:30
  like he's gone, but she was like, rather than let my son
• 1:02:36
  live long enough to kill someone who really does really, really
• 1:02:39
  doesn't deserve it or get killed by this game because he's not
• 1:02:42
  going to win this game. She knows right off RIP he's not
• 1:02:45
  going to win. I would rather take him out
• 1:02:48
  since I brought him in, Let me take him out.
• 1:02:50
  It's better if it's done by someone who's familiar at least.
• 1:02:54
  It's a very warped thing, but everything in Squid Game is very
• 1:02:57
  war. It's a mercy killing.
• 1:02:59
  She's like, you're not going to survive in this game and I'm not
• 1:03:01
  going to let you kill someone. But also, I'm giving you an L
• 1:03:03
  and you're not taking it, so there's nothing left.
• 1:03:07
  I see. I thought it was a very
• 1:03:08
  dignified, It's a tragic situation, but I thought it was
• 1:03:11
  a very dignified death. I agree with the dignified part.
• 1:03:15
  I am like kind of adjacent to your other feelings about it
• 1:03:19
  because yes, she did in essence save the the new mother and the
• 1:03:25
  baby who she just delivered, right?
• 1:03:29
  That's AI feel like that's a special bond, right?
• 1:03:33
  You know, you just delivered this child.
• 1:03:35
  You just been with this girl. You've given her your food.
• 1:03:40
  You know, in this dire situation that we've seen in Season 2,
• 1:03:44
  like she gave her the egg. Immediately became a mother
• 1:03:47
  figure. She's a mother figure.
• 1:03:48
  She's very caring toward her, been caring and was looking out
• 1:03:53
  for her the whole time and she wasn't going to let anything
• 1:03:56
  happen to her period. But her son, she knew her son
• 1:04:00
  didn't have it in him from jump. She knew that he didn't have it
• 1:04:04
  in him. At some point in the tussle that
• 1:04:08
  happened earlier, he lost his glasses and the glasses get
• 1:04:12
  stepped on. I feel like that is symbolic
• 1:04:15
  because he couldn't see clearly, literally and figuratively after
• 1:04:20
  that. He lost his perspective, his
• 1:04:23
  morality after that, which is why he's just immediately is
• 1:04:27
  going for the most vulnerable person in the room to kill.
• 1:04:33
  When he had plenty of chances, he had chances and he didn't
• 1:04:37
  take any one of them so. Now I took it as the actual
• 1:04:42
  killing like the mother killing him I took it as and this is an
• 1:04:47
  oversimplification but follow me.
• 1:04:49
  I just rewatched Sinners the other day and when Stack kills
• 1:04:55
  Annie before she turns into a vampire, I thought it was the
• 1:05:00
  same thing here. You know, to avoid a calamity of
• 1:05:05
  moral, ethical, spiritual proportions, she preserved her
• 1:05:10
  son's essence by killing him. I could say that.
• 1:05:14
  Yeah, that's why when you said mercy killing, I was like, yeah,
• 1:05:17
  like it, It's it's we're on the same wavelength.
• 1:05:21
  We're on the same wavelength. I think it's more to save him
• 1:05:24
  from being killed because I don't think he would have gone
• 1:05:27
  through with it. But I think but I still agree
• 1:05:30
  with. So you don't think he would have
• 1:05:31
  gone through with killing the mother?
• 1:05:33
  No, I don't. I don't think it was going to
• 1:05:35
  happen. I don't think I think he would
• 1:05:36
  have gotten close enough and it just wasn't going to happen.
• 1:05:39
  Oh no, see, the time was going to run his.
• 1:05:41
  Glasses. He was fucking Velma out there
• 1:05:43
  and he was going to. He's going to do it.
• 1:05:45
  Patting the ground. OK, he's desperate.
• 1:05:51
  I could take. I can honestly take either one.
• 1:05:53
  I think that that's a really good interpretation.
• 1:05:56
  I hadn't considered the glasses and I think that the moms, I
• 1:06:00
  think her perspective was to spare him.
• 1:06:04
  Whichever shape that interpretation takes, it wasn't
• 1:06:07
  a malicious killing, and it wasn't like I'm going to save
• 1:06:10
  this woman I just met over you. It's just like, I think that's
• 1:06:13
  true. I don't.
• 1:06:13
  Think it was explicitly that. Yeah, I don't think so either.
• 1:06:17
  I think it was more of a numbers game and more of like really
• 1:06:20
  soberly looking at the situation.
• 1:06:21
  I mean, like, you know what, I don't know who's going to get
• 1:06:24
  out of here, but this girl and this baby need a chance.
• 1:06:27
  Like this girl was born like 35 seconds ago.
• 1:06:30
  We already we had our time so. I thought it was sad that she
• 1:06:35
  brought in new life. She cut the umbilical cord with
• 1:06:37
  the Benignon, and then she So she brings a new life with the
• 1:06:41
  Pino, but then she also takes her own son's life with it.
• 1:06:45
  And this cruel irony. That was heavy.
• 1:06:48
  Was heavy on me and then someone said hi.
• 1:06:52
  This is not an original thought someone was putting out on
• 1:06:54
  TikTok. 222 gives birth in A room with an under the sea theme
• 1:07:00
  and then there's squids on the wall.
• 1:07:02
  And most species of squid die after they give birth, so it's
• 1:07:05
  kind of fitting or portends the end of 222.
• 1:07:09
  Jesus. And I don't know if the creator
• 1:07:12
  necessarily thought I'm going to put squids on the wall to
• 1:07:17
  represent that the mother is going to die because squids also
• 1:07:20
  die after they give birth. I just think Squid Game squids
• 1:07:23
  see under the sea theme children.
• 1:07:26
  That's that's I think how it kind of happened.
• 1:07:29
  I'm not sure if they read into yeah, this particular sea animal
• 1:07:34
  does die after giving birth. If you didn't, I love it when a
• 1:07:37
  writer gets lucky. It's like, I love what you did
• 1:07:39
  with the squids because, you know, cephalopods, when they do
• 1:07:42
  this and this not, you're like, yeah, totally.
• 1:07:44
  And you just sleep. Now, the death that really
• 1:07:48
  rocked me in this episode was the trans character.
• 1:07:53
  That one, I had to pause the show.
• 1:07:56
  I was really, really emotional after 120 Bit the dust.
• 1:08:00
  Gutted. Gutted, Completely gutted.
• 1:08:02
  How did how did you come across this?
• 1:08:04
  I the writing was on the wall as soon as she was going to walk
• 1:08:08
  through and she's like, wait, I got to go back.
• 1:08:11
  Killed because she was a good person and she went.
• 1:08:13
  Back she thought and she thought about it for a split second, her
• 1:08:16
  instinct, the smallest, the tiniest moment.
• 1:08:20
  She was going to walk into that congratulations room just from
• 1:08:23
  the adrenaline, the relief and everything.
• 1:08:25
  And then she's like, and then she thinks and then she runs
• 1:08:29
  back to get them. I knew from I just knew as soon
• 1:08:33
  as she ran back that that was it.
• 1:08:35
  And of course, like that whole death was really sad and but I
• 1:08:40
  love the respect they gave it because they didn't show her
• 1:08:43
  like bleeding out and all this other stuff.
• 1:08:45
  Like it was a very solemn death. They really treated this
• 1:08:49
  character with so much respect. It was fantastic.
• 1:08:53
  Yeah, I love. The way that Paksungan talks
• 1:08:57
  about the character as well in interviews.
• 1:09:00
  So there's a lot of love there, a lot of respect for the
• 1:09:04
  character and how it's portrayed.
• 1:09:05
  Because I think in one, one clip he says, yes, trans characters
• 1:09:10
  in Korean media are really traded like caricatures.
• 1:09:14
  And I didn't want to do that for this character.
• 1:09:17
  I thought this needed to be different and wanted it to be
• 1:09:20
  respectful and all this stuff. So I really liked this
• 1:09:24
  character. I didn't know how much I loved
• 1:09:26
  the character until 120 died and yeah, killed by this
• 1:09:33
  motherfucker. That guy is such a piece of
• 1:09:35
  shit. I wanted him dead from episode
• 1:09:37
  1. Bro.
• 1:09:39
  I wanted him dead from episode 1.
• 1:09:41
  I'm like, Oh my God, this guy is just, I hate him.
• 1:09:45
  I I hated him since the very I despise cowardice.
• 1:09:49
  I really, really do. But his specific brand of
• 1:09:54
  cowardice was unrelenting. Unrelenting.
• 1:09:58
  I was surprised that 333 had such a high body count.
• 1:10:02
  It was shocking. It was shocking how many people
• 1:10:04
  he was taking out. A proactive coward, just sick
• 1:10:08
  and for for her to diet his hands really pissed me off.
• 1:10:12
  Because you could tell this guy is constantly fucking around.
• 1:10:16
  Constantly not. Failing upwards.
• 1:10:18
  Failing upwards and not keeping his promises because he
• 1:10:22
  promises. The mother promises 222.
• 1:10:26
  I'm going to come find you after I pass the round, she hears on
• 1:10:30
  the loudspeaker. When he passes around, he's
• 1:10:32
  nowhere to be found. He's off fucking slaying people
• 1:10:36
  that, again, he doesn't need to do.
• 1:10:39
  He's doing extra. Yeah, he could have just done
• 1:10:42
  one and been done. And then he's the one that pulls
• 1:10:46
  up, kills Hyundu. That was the only way anyone
• 1:10:51
  could have killed Hyunju because like of course waited for her
• 1:10:54
  back to be turned to just like like, there was no way.
• 1:10:57
  Stabbed her in the back. Horrible.
• 1:11:00
  I hate that character. I hated him.
• 1:11:02
  He hated him. Almost as much as the salary
• 1:11:06
  man. 0100 player 100. Yeah, but someone did want us to
• 1:11:12
  talk about this, person said. Your thoughts on our favorite
• 1:11:15
  soft boy, Imchi Wan, playing a morally terrible character.
• 1:11:19
  Yeah. Player 333 is played by actor
• 1:11:23
  Imchi Wan, who is amongst one of my favorite soft boys.
• 1:11:27
  He's always like a really pleasant, soft, ethereal kind of
• 1:11:32
  good character, and then he does play really unhinged evil
• 1:11:39
  villains sometimes, and this is one of those times where he just
• 1:11:43
  goes full send in the other direction.
• 1:11:46
  That's really funny. Brilliant.
• 1:11:47
  Idol actor. Yeah, I have crazy eyes right
• 1:11:49
  now, but like, yes, he's morally reprehensible in this show and
• 1:11:55
  he does even more than just kill the trans character like.
• 1:11:59
  It's so bizarre. It's so bizarre.
• 1:12:01
  But you know what it is? I've known people like that.
• 1:12:05
  Oh my God, they fail upward in everything.
• 1:12:09
  In everything. And of all the people who could
• 1:12:13
  have killed her somehow, that one pisses me off the most
• 1:12:18
  because of course it was him. And then his baby is there and
• 1:12:22
  he's just like. It didn't matter like, and
• 1:12:24
  nothing mattered to this guy. He really, he thought he was a
• 1:12:29
  good guy, which is so juicy of a thing, yeah, of a thing to write
• 1:12:34
  in is that he thinks, he thinks he's, he's got it all figured
• 1:12:39
  out. He's got it in hand.
• 1:12:40
  It's giving promising young woman casting all those really
• 1:12:44
  like conventionally nice guys to be these horrible.
• 1:12:48
  That's what this is giving. Yes, because I think there's
• 1:12:50
  also a pervasive notion that there's still people that loved
• 1:12:55
  333 and are making excuses for his character.
• 1:13:01
  And I love reading the unhinged rantings of delusional.
• 1:13:05
  Like. People who cling to these
• 1:13:07
  characters. There's still people talking
• 1:13:09
  about the girl who TOP Thanos like shoved in the first one.
• 1:13:15
  Like I've seen edits about this girl.
• 1:13:16
  It's like she was in the show all of like 3 minutes.
• 1:13:20
  Like this is like your Boba Fett for like Squid game.
• 1:13:24
  Is this like girl? Yeah, but pretty privileged is
• 1:13:30
  on full display here because what do you mean you're making
• 1:13:33
  excuses for 3:30? He's deplorable.
• 1:13:39
  Dude ain't shit. Yeah, and look at the way he
• 1:13:41
  treats women and a Chilton. Whatever.
• 1:13:44
  And a newborn? Not only a newborn, it's his
• 1:13:48
  newborn, his flesh and blood. He's the father.
• 1:13:51
  Doesn't even ask to see the baby.
• 1:13:52
  No, no, he's just. Doesn't do anything.
• 1:13:55
  What a piece of shit. Like he's the piece of shit
• 1:13:57
  that's like playing video games in the delivery room and like
• 1:14:01
  taking up the bed in the hospital room while the.
• 1:14:03
  Forgets to bring the car seat to the hospital when they're on the
• 1:14:06
  day they leave the hospital. Ask for an extra warm blanket
• 1:14:10
  for him. Ask the nurse, how long is this
• 1:14:12
  going to take? Drinks his girlfriend, drinks
• 1:14:15
  his wife's ginger ale because like, she's probably feeling too
• 1:14:19
  queasy anyway. Right, right, right.
• 1:14:21
  Oh my God. We could go on and on.
• 1:14:24
  Oh the there's so many cowards in this, but David Lee, who
• 1:14:29
  plays player 125 means sue Ah. OK.
• 1:14:33
  Gets hopped up on drugs, Thanos leftovers and he kills the
• 1:14:39
  shaman. What did you think of the
• 1:14:41
  shaman? Cause the shaman, we talked
• 1:14:44
  about her and what she kind of represents and how the Korean
• 1:14:48
  populace would totally understand this archetype, this
• 1:14:51
  character, this religious extremism.
• 1:14:54
  Yeah, just absolute delusion. That she has all these followers
• 1:14:58
  and she's lying to them. She's lying about knowing what's
• 1:15:01
  going to happen. She has no fucking clue what's
• 1:15:03
  going to happen. She does predict a few things,
• 1:15:05
  but. She gets some things right, but
• 1:15:08
  it's always because she's she knows what to look for.
• 1:15:11
  Like it's one of those game recognized game kind of things.
• 1:15:14
  It's not the spirits. It's like, oh, like I know
• 1:15:16
  someone who's full of shit when I see one and I'm going to wield
• 1:15:19
  that to my advantage. Right, Right.
• 1:15:21
  She's just a master manipulator and she does try and manipulate
• 1:15:24
  456 when she's like, this is what you get.
• 1:15:27
  He's handcuffed to the bed or whatever and she's taunting him
• 1:15:31
  and saying like this is what you get.
• 1:15:33
  There's all these vengeful spirits around you and this is,
• 1:15:37
  you know, basically trying to. Had like a supernatural element
• 1:15:41
  to his suffering to make him feel worse to.
• 1:15:43
  Make him feel worse because he already knows that there's lives
• 1:15:47
  lost here. Yeah, and she's adding fuel to
• 1:15:50
  the fire. I wrote something to that.
• 1:15:53
  And then choking the spirit chick out was iconic.
• 1:15:58
  But because it was like it was so well deserved.
• 1:16:00
  Like he had to, he had to. Like, she was crazy.
• 1:16:04
  I thought she was a really interesting character, though I
• 1:16:07
  never got to the point necessarily where I hated her.
• 1:16:11
  Like hated her hate her because I think they paced her really
• 1:16:14
  well. Her arc lasted exactly because
• 1:16:16
  the thing that would have really made me hate her happened in
• 1:16:19
  this episode. But by the time I would start to
• 1:16:21
  hate her, she was killed in a brutal way.
• 1:16:25
  So one of the things that I loved about it was when she's
• 1:16:29
  guiding her followers through and she opens the door, that was
• 1:16:33
  such a terrifying scene. She opens the door and quietly
• 1:16:35
  closes it and starts scurrying away, and they come out and kill
• 1:16:38
  her followers. That was so scary.
• 1:16:42
  But then taking the arrows out of blood and marking, she's so
• 1:16:47
  committed to the bit because she finds the exit, realizes again,
• 1:16:51
  the like the symbolism that everything about it is so
• 1:16:54
  genius. It's like, OK, you conned your
• 1:16:56
  way. You got here by yourself, you
• 1:16:58
  can't get out. You needed to rely.
• 1:17:00
  She should have had her followers with her.
• 1:17:02
  They all had a distinct key. But I love that she adds these
• 1:17:06
  arrows to a point where she's going and you can tell she's so
• 1:17:10
  used to being a con artist for being a spirit shaman.
• 1:17:14
  Or maybe she's delusional enough to think that she is a shaman,
• 1:17:17
  but she's so committed to this bit that even after getting
• 1:17:21
  these people killed and everything, she wields that to
• 1:17:24
  try to get 100 and tell him, oh, I can hear the spirits, I know
• 1:17:28
  where I'm going. It's this way, It's this way.
• 1:17:30
  It's that way. And he finds the exit.
• 1:17:32
  I thought that was genius. She was a cool character.
• 1:17:35
  Yeah. 100 Leaving her in the room, though that was dirty
• 1:17:38
  work. Dirty work.
• 1:17:41
  That was so scary. I don't think we ever see what's
• 1:17:43
  inside the congratulations, you made it through room.
• 1:17:48
  It made it that much more eerie we never saw.
• 1:17:50
  It we never saw what was in that room 'cause they.
• 1:17:52
  Everyone was a reused room though.
• 1:17:55
  Episode 3 is titled It's Not Your Fault, and here we see that
• 1:18:01
  the VIPs has free reign of the place and they are able to
• 1:18:07
  masquerade as pink soldiers. Yeah, we get the bad English.
• 1:18:12
  We see that they're excited to kill.
• 1:18:14
  I hated everything about it. I hated it.
• 1:18:16
  They're just exhilarated by participating for once.
• 1:18:21
  There's no stakes for them. It's just it's.
• 1:18:24
  Ridiculous. At least it was honest.
• 1:18:27
  Like they're boring people and they're cheesy people.
• 1:18:29
  Like very disconnected from reality.
• 1:18:33
  So it's like funny to see them just like acting like this.
• 1:18:36
  I'm like, oh, you really got nothing else going on.
• 1:18:39
  They're like, wow, look at this one.
• 1:18:41
  It's like. One of the pink soldiers VIPs
• 1:18:45
  says Mamma Mia. It's a me Mario.
• 1:18:50
  What the fuck? The Harmony gives a beautiful
• 1:18:54
  monologue. Player 149 says I'm not going to
• 1:18:59
  read the whole thing. But she says no matter how you
• 1:19:01
  look at it, life is just unfair. Bad people do bad things, but
• 1:19:04
  they blame others and go on and live in peace.
• 1:19:07
  Good people on the other hand beat themselves up about the
• 1:19:11
  smallest things. And she goes on to say like my
• 1:19:14
  kid was like that. My young chic was a soft kid,
• 1:19:17
  foolishly so blamed himself when his employer went bankrupt.
• 1:19:20
  And gives a little back story on the son.
• 1:19:24
  She says one day I got sick of him being so pathetic I couldn't
• 1:19:27
  take it anymore. So I yelled at him.
• 1:19:28
  I regret all the pain I went through to bring you into this
• 1:19:31
  world. I'll just pretend I never had a
• 1:19:33
  son like you. So get out of my sight now, you
• 1:19:35
  useless idiot. And that night he overdoses and
• 1:19:40
  he had even left a a suicide note saying he was sorry for
• 1:19:43
  being such a failure. He took it really bad, really
• 1:19:46
  badly, as one does when their mom says I wish I'd never had
• 1:19:49
  you. Yeah.
• 1:19:51
  And she rushes him to the hospital and prayed to God, this
• 1:19:56
  prayer that I'm sure a lot of people have thought at least in
• 1:19:59
  their lives. That she'd do anything if her
• 1:20:02
  boy was saved, even jump into a pit of fire if that's what it
• 1:20:05
  took. But guess what she says in the
• 1:20:09
  end? I killed him with my own hands.
• 1:20:11
  I killed my own child that. Was really intense.
• 1:20:15
  And I think a lot of people were surprised that the next morning
• 1:20:21
  rolls around and player 149 has hung herself.
• 1:20:24
  She's committed suicide. I wonder why they would find
• 1:20:27
  that surprised. I was.
• 1:20:28
  Not surprised because I was fully expecting that.
• 1:20:30
  Yeah. Like I thought that this was
• 1:20:32
  like her monologue. This is her big send off.
• 1:20:35
  Yeah, I wasn't surprised. It was gut wrenching, yeah.
• 1:20:39
  Don't get me. Wrong, but this lady just said
• 1:20:41
  there was basically never going to be a scenario where she lived
• 1:20:43
  without her son. Yeah, that was so sad.
• 1:20:47
  Everything with those two associates.
• 1:20:48
  I knew they were headed for it, but I like, I'm not like I can
• 1:20:52
  appreciate the way they went out, though in its own, there
• 1:20:55
  was a dignity to the way that they went out.
• 1:20:57
  They're like, you know what, let's go like.
• 1:21:00
  I could see where you're coming from.
• 1:21:02
  I think that her saying that her son wasn't a perfect, her son
• 1:21:08
  was a failure, and she at some point in her life did resent him
• 1:21:13
  and said that said as much to his face.
• 1:21:17
  You know, these people are extremely flawed and imperfect.
• 1:21:23
  And as a mother figure who has been such a beautiful mother
• 1:21:28
  figure throughout the show, for her to give this speech and say
• 1:21:32
  this really sad story about saying I had wish I had never
• 1:21:36
  had a son like you is extremely vulnerable and painful for her.
• 1:21:41
  Yeah. It's it also serves to make 456
• 1:21:44
  feel a little better about himself and not blame himself
• 1:21:47
  because she's like, look, I fucked up.
• 1:21:52
  I fucked up in the worst way a parent can.
• 1:21:55
  I killed my own child. And it makes 456 kind of gain a
• 1:22:00
  new perspective, really. I the fact that even in the
• 1:22:05
  first, even with all his problems, she wasn't even close.
• 1:22:08
  Yeah, she. Loved her son.
• 1:22:10
  That's all it was. So I don't I, I don't see the
• 1:22:14
  reason for the backlash for her killing him.
• 1:22:17
  I think that it was all very well-rounded and very well
• 1:22:21
  explained. So I don't know, powerful
• 1:22:24
  moment. How did they not get an Emmy?
• 1:22:26
  I don't. Know, I don't know.
• 1:22:28
  That, that's one of those. Well, The thing is, this was
• 1:22:30
  this season wasn't up for any Emmys because it wasn't
• 1:22:33
  ineligible. But The thing is, it's a year is
• 1:22:39
  a long time to keep this thing fresh in the campaign cycle.
• 1:22:45
  That's true. So will it get Emmy noms next
• 1:22:48
  year? I don't know.
• 1:22:50
  There's shows we haven't seen and haven't come out yet.
• 1:22:53
  It's. Only July.
• 1:22:55
  It's only July. That's what I'm like.
• 1:22:56
  I'm like Oh my God, this is horrible because this was
• 1:23:00
  released right at the beginning of the next cycle.
• 1:23:04
  Yeah, that wasn't a good idea. So if they were gunning for
• 1:23:07
  Emmys, this is the wrong timing. They should have just released.
• 1:23:10
  Never mind, they should have just released it in one season.
• 1:23:13
  It should have just been season 2.
• 1:23:14
  Release it like 2 weeks into you know, and then but whatever.
• 1:23:18
  I know whatever anyway you. Never listen to us.
• 1:23:21
  I know. So we get to the fifth game, the
• 1:23:25
  jump rope. That was sick.
• 1:23:27
  Just so they have to cross this bridge, which has a hole in the
• 1:23:32
  middle. It's it's broken, it's a
• 1:23:34
  rotating rope, and they have 20 minutes to get across.
• 1:23:39
  Bad news for 222 because she just fucked up her ankle in the
• 1:23:42
  last game. She fractured it really badly.
• 1:23:46
  She was not going to make. It she was not.
• 1:23:48
  Going to make. I had no suspense for that
• 1:23:50
  whatsoever. I'm like even 456 can't carry
• 1:23:53
  this out. She was done.
• 1:23:56
  The fact that the rope spins faster.
• 1:23:59
  And it's a thick ass rope too. It's made of brass, like it's
• 1:24:03
  this brass rope. That was the that was probably
• 1:24:07
  the scariest game. I don't know if you feel.
• 1:24:11
  It was scary because I've never, I think maybe once in my life
• 1:24:16
  I've played like double Dutch. Yeah, which?
• 1:24:20
  I think one of my favorite jokes that you've ever said is like,
• 1:24:23
  let's make other words and slang words.
• 1:24:26
  Like what about double Dutch? Like oh man, she got double
• 1:24:29
  Dutch. Yeah, double Dutch on someone so
• 1:24:34
  erratic, so quick. All these people get double
• 1:24:39
  dutched in this episode. They really did.
• 1:24:42
  They really. Did.
• 1:24:43
  Yeah. And we see, we finally see.
• 1:24:45
  There's so many theories about what the hell was going to be
• 1:24:49
  this game. That was interesting because it
• 1:24:52
  didn't the trailer. The teaser was like a train
• 1:24:55
  light. And.
• 1:24:56
  Then they just abandoned that. I don't know what that was
• 1:25:00
  about. Did was did anything look train
• 1:25:03
  like about that? Yeah, they were on train.
• 1:25:05
  Track, they were on a track, but like it still felt like it was
• 1:25:08
  going to be something else. I thought it was going to be
• 1:25:10
  like the the main theory that was going around.
• 1:25:13
  What is that moral dilemma? Oh, like the chain dilemma?
• 1:25:18
  Yeah, yeah. That was like the main front
• 1:25:22
  runner for a theory of what it was going to be.
• 1:25:24
  Yeah, what it is is, and I think we covered this in the Season 2
• 1:25:27
  review, is the doll is Yonghi, which is based on a character of
• 1:25:33
  the same name from South Korean textbooks from the 70s and 80s.
• 1:25:36
  And then Yonghi has a boyfriend and his name is Tolzu.
• 1:25:41
  And some of these two dolls, Yonghi and Tolzu, are on either
• 1:25:46
  side of the tracks and they're spinning this fuck ass rope
• 1:25:52
  round. Listen, did I think that 222 was
• 1:25:58
  going to make it? No, no.
• 1:25:59
  Was it really sad when she decides to jump off and fall to
• 1:26:03
  her death? Absolutely.
• 1:26:06
  She does have an interaction with the baby daddy.
• 1:26:09
  Fuck ass 333. She says that baby is mine.
• 1:26:12
  The baby has nothing to do with trash like you.
• 1:26:14
  We never want to see you again, not even in our dreams.
• 1:26:18
  Like she reads him for Phil. That's a sick burn.
• 1:26:20
  Yeah, I love that. Because he's saying, you know,
• 1:26:23
  you have to get up. Whatever.
• 1:26:25
  She's like get the fuck away from me.
• 1:26:28
  Like I'd literally rather fall to my death, let her break every
• 1:26:31
  bone in my body, leaving my child an orphan, than to cross
• 1:26:35
  this bridge with. But you know what's funny?
• 1:26:37
  It shows how much more I hate this guy because he doesn't
• 1:26:41
  notice how he doesn't offer to help her at all, or even to like
• 1:26:46
  none of that. He doesn't offer to take the
• 1:26:48
  baby, but he doesn't offer to help her either.
• 1:26:50
  He does the coward thing and waits till the very last minute
• 1:26:53
  when things speed up to give her an out.
• 1:26:56
  So maybe she'll be like, no, you go on without me.
• 1:26:58
  I can't make it like he waited till the last minute.
• 1:27:02
  It wasn't everything he does. He's one of those very
• 1:27:05
  calculating, cowardly people. I, I couldn't cope with it.
• 1:27:08
  I couldn't cope with it. Like, you let another man save
• 1:27:11
  your kid. You're completely disconnected.
• 1:27:14
  What's going on? He's like, I'll come back for
• 1:27:15
  you. Like, 456 is like going off.
• 1:27:18
  Like, I'll be back. Whatever.
• 1:27:19
  He's just standing there. Like, yeah, OK, cool.
• 1:27:21
  As long as I don't have to do it, like, I don't know.
• 1:27:23
  Oh. My God, anyway, so.
• 1:27:26
  I hate that he made it. Through I hate that he made it
• 1:27:28
  through. But anyway, 333 was never going
• 1:27:30
  to be the saving grace for 2/22. And I also love how if you add
• 1:27:36
  11111 to 222 it is 333 for some reason.
• 1:27:41
  I like that. Like.
• 1:27:43
  That's like that. That's how I remember their
• 1:27:47
  numbers too. I love that actually.
• 1:27:52
  It's pretty great because like, this whole thing is is nuts.
• 1:27:57
  I think I want to talk about how the baby inherits the mom's
• 1:28:02
  number. Oh yeah, that was.
• 1:28:05
  It was completely because of the VIP's that they changed the
• 1:28:10
  rules of the game and they considered the baby another
• 1:28:13
  player. That was really weird like even
• 1:28:16
  for the game, I thought that was really weird.
• 1:28:18
  I I don't know why I thought they would be like, OK, hold the
• 1:28:22
  phone, there's a baby out there. At least let's get this baby out
• 1:28:25
  of here. Something.
• 1:28:26
  No, I don't know why I thought that, but the VIP's.
• 1:28:31
  So you gave them more credit? I gave the game runner.
• 1:28:35
  More credit maybe, front man. Front man, I gave front man way
• 1:28:38
  more credit. Especially because you know that
• 1:28:41
  you lost a child. Right.
• 1:28:43
  I didn't think that he would let that happen necessarily.
• 1:28:49
  If the VIPs weren't there, I wonder if he would have had them
• 1:28:53
  collect the baby and be like, you'll get the baby at the end
• 1:28:55
  of the game if you survive something like that.
• 1:28:58
  But I didn't expect him to leave a newborn baby on the field.
• 1:29:03
  But maybe I can't fathom that level of evil.
• 1:29:06
  Like, I don't know. Because if it were me and I was
• 1:29:10
  a sadistic game runner, I would have still been like, you know
• 1:29:14
  what this counts as PTO. Let's get this bitch out of here
• 1:29:17
  and get get her her kid, get her things, send her out.
• 1:29:21
  Let's get her out of this game. Just go away.
• 1:29:24
  But no. Or at least I'm going to grab
• 1:29:26
  the baby and keep it in captivity.
• 1:29:28
  Captivity. Well, one of these pink like
• 1:29:31
  soldier people like will take care of this kid and if the mom
• 1:29:34
  lives then great if not, but I didn't expect them to be like
• 1:29:37
  OK, well the baby inherits the number.
• 1:29:39
  That was crazy. Work The baby is now Player 222.
• 1:29:44
  Horrible. She's got a spot on the roster
• 1:29:47
  because 456 took her across. And what if we freaking?
• 1:29:52
  The IP says this is a bigger twist in the resurrection of
• 1:29:55
  Jesus. I think I threw up a little in
• 1:29:59
  my mouth because it was just. That it's corny and boring, like
• 1:30:04
  they thought they ate with that. The symbolic nature of the baby,
• 1:30:10
  I guess we have to talk about that because someone does want
• 1:30:12
  us on Instagram. Someone did want us to talk
• 1:30:14
  about the baby. Everything about the baby, and I
• 1:30:17
  understand like the baby is so, you know, a wild card in the
• 1:30:22
  show. So the baby inherits some other
• 1:30:24
  spot. And if the baby wins, the baby
• 1:30:27
  would win the money, right? Like, and now if even if they
• 1:30:30
  stop the games now they vote to stop, the baby would get an
• 1:30:33
  equal share. And this enrages the rest of the
• 1:30:38
  players. And they're like, that's not
• 1:30:42
  fair. And they're saying that's not
• 1:30:44
  fair over and over. They're just pissed because the
• 1:30:48
  baby is not a true player. It's totally dependent on
• 1:30:51
  somebody else, is completely helpless.
• 1:30:55
  I mean, there's a lot of things here, Like the creator Pang
• 1:30:58
  Dongyuk is definitely trying to say, yeah, it's not fair that
• 1:31:02
  the baby should inherit the money, But it's also not fair
• 1:31:04
  that the baby is in this hellhole, that the baby is now
• 1:31:08
  paying for the mother's sins. Why do future generations have
• 1:31:12
  to suffer for the sins of the past?
• 1:31:14
  The baby is the future represents the future.
• 1:31:18
  Hands across America, right? Right.
• 1:31:22
  But it's true, though. It's true.
• 1:31:23
  And it's it's funny how in their absolute greed, they don't see,
• 1:31:26
  OK, there's a newborn baby in a clandestine blood sport game
• 1:31:31
  who's freshly an orphan. Both her parents are dead, but
• 1:31:35
  it's not fair that it gets money.
• 1:31:37
  If what? Horrible.
• 1:31:40
  Yeah, they're all horrible, especially 100.
• 1:31:44
  Yeah, especially 100, who's the ringleader on all of this?
• 1:31:47
  And 100. We're just waiting for 100 to
• 1:31:49
  die at this point. The whole time we're just
• 1:31:52
  waiting. Couldn't come fast.
• 1:31:53
  Enough no player 333 still votes, still votes to keep going
• 1:31:59
  even after witnessing his baby Mama jump to her death.
• 1:32:02
  And the baby is now considered a player and can obviously die and
• 1:32:07
  is just helpless. It's hours old.
• 1:32:11
  Because they keep the pot anyway if they all reject it.
• 1:32:15
  That. That's what kills me every time.
• 1:32:17
  I think my brain just doesn't let me acknowledge that rule of
• 1:32:21
  the game because I always I think it would just enrage me to
• 1:32:25
  a point where I wouldn't watch it.
• 1:32:26
  Like they that's enough. There's like 6 of you now you
• 1:32:30
  can stop now. Like you can just like leave and
• 1:32:32
  get your money and go. Right.
• 1:32:34
  How much more? Right.
• 1:32:36
  Like what it because what is it? What is the cost like the bounty
• 1:32:39
  on each person? Isn't it like?
• 1:32:41
  The pot is CN¥45.6 billion, so each contestant is worth
• 1:32:46
  CN¥100,000,000, which is about 67,836 U.S. dollars.
• 1:32:53
  I mean if they went that far I'd leave that much on the table
• 1:32:57
  even out of laziness too. Like just I don't want to play
• 1:33:00
  another game. Let's go home bro.
• 1:33:01
  Like. Yeah.
• 1:33:03
  Hate it? The next scene, I think major
• 1:33:07
  scene, is we have a face off against Ebogen's front man and
• 1:33:11
  4:56 because in the night they're planning on killing
• 1:33:14
  them. Yeah, the other guys are like,
• 1:33:16
  OK, well, we're just going to off the baby and off 456.
• 1:33:20
  Keep going, right? Keep playing.
• 1:33:23
  But now there's two less people to contend with, two less
• 1:33:26
  players, and the front man gives 456A blade and unmasks himself.
• 1:33:35
  I thought this was going to be a bigger moment.
• 1:33:36
  Me too. I thought this was going to be a
• 1:33:38
  lot bigger than it was. They kind of downplayed that the
• 1:33:42
  front man is the man behind the curtain.
• 1:33:44
  Yeah, you know what I'm saying? I thought that it fell flat.
• 1:33:47
  I thought I thought so too. It's like that was they treated
• 1:33:50
  it like it was like this guy killed your best friend and he
• 1:33:54
  was on your team and he's still alive.
• 1:33:55
  Like there's so many shocks that 4-5 sixes, 450 sixes, like
• 1:34:00
  response just didn't click really.
• 1:34:04
  And I'm surprised given the opportunity that he didn't just
• 1:34:07
  kill him. I'm really surprised at that.
• 1:34:09
  But that's the whole thing is that his character is not a
• 1:34:12
  murderer. He's not.
• 1:34:14
  He's a good a good man. What was cool about this
• 1:34:17
  interaction is that he was calling him by his name.
• 1:34:21
  The whole interaction, you know, frontman was calling him, you
• 1:34:25
  know, Kian. Yeah, instead of his number.
• 1:34:28
  Instead of his number, this whole interaction, pleading with
• 1:34:30
  him with very real emotion to kill or be killed this night is
• 1:34:35
  important. You're going to die.
• 1:34:37
  The baby's going to die. Here's this knife.
• 1:34:40
  Do what you got to do. And then he says, as 456 is
• 1:34:44
  walking out, player 456, do you still have faith in people?
• 1:34:50
  And it's very important that he suddenly calls him by his player
• 1:34:55
  number instead of his name. Yeah.
• 1:34:58
  It takes away his personhood, his humanity.
• 1:35:03
  It's meant to convict Ian. Convict.
• 1:35:06
  A naive but good man, you know, make him not kill, perhaps in
• 1:35:11
  the hopes that the other players might.
• 1:35:13
  Maybe he would think, oh, the other players might do the right
• 1:35:16
  thing and not kill me and the baby.
• 1:35:19
  You know, it throws a lot of things in question for. 4
• 1:35:24
  statistics Because he doesn't, I don't think because he is
• 1:35:28
  shocked at just how low people would get every time.
• 1:35:30
  Yeah, he's just like. When he realized they're going
• 1:35:32
  to kill him, he was like, and he's like swaddling the baby.
• 1:35:35
  But I mean, he knew before he went up to see the front man, he
• 1:35:37
  was like, this is they're going to come at my throat.
• 1:35:40
  And that's going to be it, yeah. But I love that interaction.
• 1:35:44
  It is a callback to the Season 1 finale when the old man player
• 1:35:50
  001 Oynam asks After all this, do you still have faith in
• 1:35:56
  people even after everything you've been through?
• 1:35:59
  So you can see the parallel between the original Old Man 001
• 1:36:05
  Oynam and front man the new 001. That's so heavy.
• 1:36:10
  It's so heavy. He was given the same
• 1:36:12
  opportunity. The same question, the same
• 1:36:15
  challenge. What do you believe?
• 1:36:17
  Do you think people are still worth it, worth putting your
• 1:36:21
  faith into? And that that is a heavy
• 1:36:25
  question that hangs over the whole show.
• 1:36:26
  It is like at the thesis of the of the show, I would say we get
• 1:36:31
  in the very first bit of the next episode, episode 5, we get
• 1:36:34
  a flashback to the Front Man's games where he was given the
• 1:36:39
  same ultimatum and a knife, kill or be killed and told to kill
• 1:36:44
  the trash, looking at humans as trash.
• 1:36:47
  That's the original 001 owing them saying this to him.
• 1:36:53
  But in this case, in his scenario, he does do it.
• 1:36:58
  He does commit this mass murder that night.
• 1:37:01
  And brutally, too, yeah. And that was clever that we see
• 1:37:04
  the person we see him killing was the last of all the.
• 1:37:07
  Other people to. Finish Killing.
• 1:37:11
  It's just such a heavy show. Like honestly.
• 1:37:16
  It is. It is a heavy show.
• 1:37:18
  We see 456 hesitating to kill even one person, and it's player
• 1:37:24
  100, the most vile of the bunch. Like we hate player 100.
• 1:37:31
  Hand it to me, I'll do it for you.
• 1:37:32
  Hand it to me, I'll do it. But he has a vision of our North
• 1:37:37
  Korean girl from Season 1 saying don't do it, Adashi, you're not
• 1:37:42
  that kind of person. Stayed pure.
• 1:37:46
  Not that she says that, but that's the sentiment.
• 1:37:47
  Like stay. But I mean, he's rather he
• 1:37:49
  stayed pure in his own way, in a way.
• 1:37:52
  Like in a way. Because he's already killed
• 1:37:55
  Kanganol's character. Yeah, mind you, like he's
• 1:37:58
  already killed someone with his bare hands.
• 1:38:00
  He's already tainted at this point.
• 1:38:04
  He was like, not for me like that was, but that's what's so
• 1:38:07
  funny that he would go out to kill, but he wouldn't kill.
• 1:38:12
  My God, he wouldn't kill the front man.
• 1:38:13
  Still doesn't really make sense to me then, because you know
• 1:38:17
  what I mean? Like that whole thing was a bit.
• 1:38:20
  I still don't know how. Because there is He's calling
• 1:38:23
  him hyung. Yeah, but it's still.
• 1:38:26
  You know, Kyun is calling the front man hyung I believe, which
• 1:38:30
  is older brother in that interaction that they had
• 1:38:33
  earlier in episode 4. That's telling that he still
• 1:38:38
  considers their bond. Their relationship still
• 1:38:43
  considers him an older brother figure.
• 1:38:45
  But this dude literally killed your best friend like Wyatt
• 1:38:48
  like. I don't.
• 1:38:49
  I know. I don't it, but that's the
• 1:38:52
  complexity, right? Yeah.
• 1:38:53
  So OK. But he doesn't do it and then we
• 1:38:57
  he doesn't kill anybody that night and we get the final game.
• 1:39:00
  It is sky Squid Game. I saw this production thing is
• 1:39:05
  behind the scenes production thing where they were hand
• 1:39:08
  painting all of flowers on the floor.
• 1:39:12
  That wasn't like CGI. Interesting.
• 1:39:15
  Yeah, so when they fall off of those pillars, that's all pan
• 1:39:20
  painted flowers. OK, OK.
• 1:39:25
  Just a note that I have. Are what did you think of this
• 1:39:29
  game? This game, well, it's
• 1:39:32
  interspersed with the like the North Korean pink soldier Noel
• 1:39:38
  trying to save that other player trying to save the dad with the
• 1:39:41
  terminally ill child. That whole plot line was crazy.
• 1:39:45
  What did you think of that? I liked it.
• 1:39:47
  I liked it. I I liked it because it's like
• 1:39:50
  this is a woman who her motive was pretty clear, right?
• 1:39:55
  Like she was devastating. Like she was devastated from
• 1:39:58
  living a life in North Korea, leaves now, can't find her
• 1:40:01
  daughter, has to work as a mascot at a theme park, and not
• 1:40:05
  even a very good one. Her life is just falling apart.
• 1:40:08
  She's trying to. So I thought it made sense.
• 1:40:11
  I thought it made sense with her character.
• 1:40:12
  And I do like the resilience she had of just, yeah, I came from
• 1:40:17
  North Korea, like. I know what goes on.
• 1:40:20
  I don't, you know, I can take them, I can take them.
• 1:40:23
  So I really liked it. I like that she saved somebody.
• 1:40:27
  I like that she managed to save somebody, which is really
• 1:40:29
  interesting when you consider Gian can't really save anyone.
• 1:40:34
  Couldn't save anyone at all, you know what I mean?
• 1:40:37
  So I really like that whole story.
• 1:40:39
  It was a good like B story because there's the AB and the C
• 1:40:42
  story, right? Like.
• 1:40:43
  Yeah, I had someone DM me another creator and they didn't
• 1:40:48
  like her story and really thought it was kind of
• 1:40:53
  pointless. I can read what they said.
• 1:40:56
  Let's hear it. They said never understood what
• 1:40:59
  Pacquiao Young's deal was either.
• 1:41:00
  Wants to save a random kids dad dot dot dot yet shoots others in
• 1:41:05
  the face and in the end dot dot dot ends up with nothing.
• 1:41:09
  At least give her the baby and 45,000,000.
• 1:41:12
  Well, you got to draw the line somewhere, right?
• 1:41:15
  Like there's work and then there's life.
• 1:41:19
  You know what? I Yeah.
• 1:41:20
  I draw the line somewhere. She wanted to save this man.
• 1:41:23
  I'm not going to let this terminally ill child become an
• 1:41:28
  orphan. Like she felt some type of way
• 1:41:31
  about the little girl, about the dad.
• 1:41:33
  She didn't want the little girl to die or be left orphaned, but
• 1:41:38
  likely just die because there was no one to care for her and
• 1:41:41
  no one to pay for the hospital bills and and make sure that she
• 1:41:44
  got adequate care. She did everything out of
• 1:41:47
  necessity too. She.
• 1:41:49
  Was a mother. I think this has to do with her
• 1:41:52
  being a mother and not saving her own child or, you know,
• 1:41:58
  bringing her child with her and escaping North Korea and the guy
• 1:42:03
  that was the, like, lesser manager.
• 1:42:07
  Yeah. He brought her on board because
• 1:42:10
  he thought she was similar to him, was just as cold as him,
• 1:42:15
  just as inhuman as him, because he too lost someone close to him
• 1:42:19
  because he couldn't procure a kidney.
• 1:42:21
  Which is why he in turn created the whole organ harvesting side
• 1:42:28
  hustle. It's, and that's what I liked
• 1:42:31
  about it, right? Because it's like we get to
• 1:42:33
  humanize these pink soldiers a little bit.
• 1:42:36
  And it also shows this idea is flawed from the ground up that I
• 1:42:43
  think mercy and grace are very necessary to view the human
• 1:42:46
  condition, right? Because without that, that falls
• 1:42:49
  apart. It's like, OK, everybody in the
• 1:42:51
  arena is trash. It's like, OK, but now you have
• 1:42:54
  people over here doing an entire organ smuggling thing.
• 1:42:58
  Good intentions or not, everybody's trying to get theirs
• 1:43:00
  no matter what level of the run they're on in this whole game.
• 1:43:04
  I found it very believable. And I, I also kind of interpret
• 1:43:08
  it as the girl just kind of going postal.
• 1:43:11
  You know what I mean? She's like, you know what?
• 1:43:13
  I did not lose my family and escape a fucking dictatorship to
• 1:43:18
  come down here and work in a Bunny outfit and be trapped in
• 1:43:21
  some kind of organized crime rate.
• 1:43:23
  I think she just snapped. She this is a person who had
• 1:43:26
  literally nothing to lose and she got to save someone in the
• 1:43:29
  process. So.
• 1:43:32
  Yeah, his quote for the managers quote about her, he says I was
• 1:43:35
  wrong about you. I should have put you in the
• 1:43:38
  game like them. I thought you were different
• 1:43:40
  since you left your child behind.
• 1:43:43
  Stop worrying about someone else's kid and go be with your
• 1:43:45
  own in the sky. I'll give you a painless send
• 1:43:48
  off. And I was like, oh, so she's fit
• 1:43:52
  to kill others as a merciless pink soldier because she's a bad
• 1:43:57
  mother. That's why he thought, oh, she's
• 1:43:58
  perfect. Good job.
• 1:44:00
  She's heartless. She left her.
• 1:44:02
  Childhood, they thought, are sociopaths.
• 1:44:03
  Yeah. So I thought, Oh.
• 1:44:06
  I thought you were different. I thought you were a killer like
• 1:44:08
  us. You're a killer like them, like
• 1:44:11
  the trash. Yeah, that was very telling to
• 1:44:14
  me that she was hired because she was a bad mother.
• 1:44:18
  Do we even know why? I don't remember honestly.
• 1:44:22
  Like what happened to her daughter, She just lost track of
• 1:44:25
  her. She didn't leave her today.
• 1:44:27
  So it's presumed that she's dead, that the her daughter is
• 1:44:31
  dead. But these smugglers who help
• 1:44:35
  people escape from North Korea, we're like, hey, we have a lead
• 1:44:38
  on your daughter. She might be in China.
• 1:44:40
  So there is some semblance of hope.
• 1:44:44
  That's where we leave office. She's like, I'm heading to China
• 1:44:46
  to figure it out. I'm going to maybe reunite with
• 1:44:49
  my daughter. I don't know.
• 1:44:50
  So we don't get an answer to whether or not it in fact is her
• 1:44:54
  daughter. But I mean, was so I'm trying to
• 1:44:58
  remember how she got there. She paid the service to get them
• 1:45:01
  there and I don't think they could have gotten all three of
• 1:45:03
  them. But it's not like she chose to
• 1:45:06
  go by herself and leave her family.
• 1:45:08
  She said what happened? She said I shot my superior.
• 1:45:13
  Oh, that's right. OK, nevermind.
• 1:45:15
  So it wasn't like a planned getaway.
• 1:45:18
  She just got out. She just got the fuck out.
• 1:45:21
  I bet her daughter is in China. It's up to you if you want to
• 1:45:25
  interpret it as yes, she's going to totally have a happy ending
• 1:45:29
  and reunite with her daughter in China who somehow is in China
• 1:45:32
  and they got her out. She's not dead.
• 1:45:35
  I think I could buy that. OK, I'm not going to burst
• 1:45:40
  anyone's bubble if you want to leave that happy.
• 1:45:43
  Happy you got to hope for something like if not, at least
• 1:45:48
  she can adopt this girl who lived by like stalking her at
• 1:45:51
  the theme park. I don't know.
• 1:45:53
  Right blended family. Guess so.
• 1:45:56
  Chosen family. Hey, hey, final game is Sky
• 1:46:00
  Squid Game. As we said, we get a surprise
• 1:46:02
  cameo from TOP, who's back as a hallucination hanging off the
• 1:46:05
  Square tower. I missed him so much.
• 1:46:08
  I was very happy to see him as they knows again.
• 1:46:13
  Of course, kills me every time. Dude, I was confused because the
• 1:46:22
  pink soldier Noel is going around trying to figure out
• 1:46:25
  where the records are that she needs to destroy for the player
• 1:46:29
  that she's rescued and she opens the door and there looks to be
• 1:46:35
  001 taxidermied. The old man is there and I
• 1:46:40
  cannot for the life of me figure out if he was taxidermied,
• 1:46:44
  preserved, or if it was just a wax figure.
• 1:46:49
  A wax figure of him. Madame Tussauds.
• 1:46:51
  Yeah, like Madame Tussauds got up in there.
• 1:46:53
  I think it was AI think it was a taxidermy.
• 1:46:55
  I want to. Believe it.
• 1:46:56
  I genuinely think it's a taxidermy.
• 1:46:58
  They're just crazy enough to do that.
• 1:47:00
  Yeah, that was so fucking scary. When they opened it, I was like,
• 1:47:03
  Oh my God. I was like, Oh my God, is that
• 1:47:05
  him? That was the second scariest
• 1:47:07
  jump scare in the whole series. Yeah, because the top one, I
• 1:47:11
  think you know which one it is. We'll get to it.
• 1:47:15
  I absolutely think it's no coincidence that the finale
• 1:47:19
  players are all men. Yes.
• 1:47:21
  Doing a pantomime of a fair democratic voting process, which
• 1:47:25
  is, I think, a direct quote from Player 100 to decide the fate of
• 1:47:29
  a helpless infant girl. Yeah.
• 1:47:33
  I'm like they. Really clubbed us with that one.
• 1:47:35
  Yeah, clubbed us over the head with that one player, 333 doing
• 1:47:45
  his big one here with him versus 456 and the baby.
• 1:47:50
  And I mean, I was really taken aback that even when 456 places
• 1:47:56
  the baby on the gangway, he doesn't go and pick up the baby.
• 1:48:00
  He uses the pole to pick up the sleeves and move the baby over
• 1:48:05
  to his platform. No paternal instinct.
• 1:48:08
  No paternal instinct, nothing there whatsoever.
• 1:48:12
  No love, his first time holding the baby was to hold it over the
• 1:48:17
  edge and threatened to kill it, threatened to drop it.
• 1:48:20
  Which was so that was like anxiety on 10.
• 1:48:23
  And I'm like, it's a sweater. It's not even a real swaddle.
• 1:48:26
  You don't know if it's tide. I thought that like there was a
• 1:48:30
  moment where it looked like the baby was going to slip and I was
• 1:48:32
  like, I don't. I just, I hated him so much.
• 1:48:38
  I really did like it. Just not a pleasure to watch.
• 1:48:41
  And of course, you know, we have the big moment.
• 1:48:45
  So yes, so a lot of people were upset.
• 1:48:47
  So there's a couple of things that I don't think I've
• 1:48:49
  mentioned. So people, this is going back
• 1:48:53
  earlier, but there's videos of people attempting the jump rope
• 1:48:59
  game one legged or with somebody on their back or whatever to try
• 1:49:05
  and justify that 222 could have lived.
• 1:49:09
  For what? Her ankle was fucked up.
• 1:49:12
  And look, I think you're full of shit and grasping at straws.
• 1:49:19
  This is like the Jack could have made it at the end of Titanic
• 1:49:23
  argument all over again. It feels really useless to have
• 1:49:27
  this conversation. She had just given birth with
• 1:49:30
  nothing, no medical attention whatsoever.
• 1:49:34
  She was sleep deprived. They all were.
• 1:49:37
  They were all hadn't had proper nutrition and water and all the
• 1:49:41
  rest and she fucked up her foot. Even jumping would have sent her
• 1:49:49
  into extreme pain. She literally tried to stand and
• 1:49:52
  was like ah and had to sit down like.
• 1:49:55
  Never mind jumping all the way across like get out of.
• 1:49:59
  That one legged bro I don't see. That's something that makes zero
• 1:50:03
  sense to me. Could that have happened?
• 1:50:06
  Maybe. Is it likely?
• 1:50:08
  No. Sometimes you take the
• 1:50:09
  likelihood this is a very narrow bridge with a hole in the
• 1:50:14
  bridge. Mind you, it look like anywhere
• 1:50:17
  from one to two foot circumference diameter like
• 1:50:22
  brass, fast swinging like she wasn't going to make it across
• 1:50:26
  and 456 putting her on his butt. That wasn't going to work
• 1:50:30
  either. No, he's already compensating
• 1:50:32
  for his own weight and you see him struggling to hold a footing
• 1:50:36
  because of how narrow the path is.
• 1:50:38
  You got to jump straight up. As somebody who watches double
• 1:50:42
  Dutch competition, no, you're here.
• 1:50:44
  I do. I love, I love like I really,
• 1:50:47
  really, really love double Dutch.
• 1:50:50
  I implore anybody who thinks that that's possible to watch
• 1:50:54
  double Dutch fails on YouTube. A narrow quarter inch piece of
• 1:51:00
  twine swinging under your feet and people trip over that and
• 1:51:05
  bust their ass like so hard. You think this girl with a
• 1:51:08
  messed up ankle is going to like Bunny hop over?
• 1:51:11
  This. Never mind she just gave birth.
• 1:51:15
  I mean, I, I was upset about that.
• 1:51:17
  The second-half of that, which is what prompted going back to
• 1:51:20
  that game, is that people were like 456 could have hit the
• 1:51:25
  start button before he shoved 333 off the platform into his
• 1:51:30
  death. He didn't have the chance.
• 1:51:32
  And it's like, I this is reductive.
• 1:51:34
  Like I don't, I don't care to have that conversation that that
• 1:51:37
  is not. Watching the same show, like
• 1:51:39
  there's a baby being held over a ledge about to like, like, no,
• 1:51:44
  he couldn't. Like, could he have?
• 1:51:45
  Yeah, but that's not exactly your first priority when
• 1:51:48
  someone's trying to kill an infant and you.
• 1:51:52
  I was like, very upset about those.
• 1:51:55
  I don't. I don't know.
• 1:51:57
  I don't know, Yeah. I know.
• 1:52:01
  I'm just mad about anything. But anyway, 323 Yum Shi won.
• 1:52:07
  He should get an Emmy nom for best supporting in my opinion.
• 1:52:11
  I agree, I already complain. Whether he gets one next year
• 1:52:14
  considering season 2 was completely snubbed and locked
• 1:52:17
  out. We can hope and it's and you
• 1:52:20
  know what in. The Season.
• 1:52:21
  Namu's kid is in China too, so there you go.
• 1:52:24
  Like, and he'll get the Emmy and then the kid will be found in
• 1:52:27
  China and we're set. We're going for the happy
• 1:52:30
  endings. But anyway, so 333 bites the
• 1:52:34
  dust finally, and we're left with the decision, you know, is
• 1:52:38
  456 going to kill the baby and win the game again?
• 1:52:43
  Or is he going to kill himself and the baby wins?
• 1:52:47
  He saves the baby. And at this point, if you're
• 1:52:51
  still questioning and you're still like, I wonder what he's
• 1:52:53
  going to choose, I think you've missed reading the whole show.
• 1:52:58
  Yeah, there was only one way that was going to end.
• 1:53:01
  Yeah, exactly. There was only one way it was
• 1:53:03
  going to end. He was always, he even said at
• 1:53:06
  some point I was. I was never a good father.
• 1:53:09
  And he knew it. He knew his shortcomings.
• 1:53:12
  He knew he was a bad son. He knew he was a bad father.
• 1:53:15
  And you think this man who has raged against the Squid Games
• 1:53:23
  and tried to save as many people as possible?
• 1:53:27
  It's going to kill. It's going to kill that baby.
• 1:53:30
  Get get out of here. No.
• 1:53:31
  This CGI, this Renesme baby no. He's not going to kill Renesme,
• 1:53:37
  no. So he spends the time, you know,
• 1:53:41
  that is left to him. Yeah.
• 1:53:43
  Staring up at the VIP booth and cradling the baby and he has
• 1:53:49
  this short speech. The lines are we are not horses,
• 1:53:56
  we are humans. Humans are.
• 1:53:59
  And it trails off because he is falling to his death.
• 1:54:03
  He has chosen to commit suicide and save the baby hard.
• 1:54:08
  Way to go. And he falls back in like an
• 1:54:10
  accepting backward cross motion to his death.
• 1:54:14
  Very obviously sacrificial. Kind of a Jesus figure in this.
• 1:54:20
  And I love this ending. Yes, I love this ending.
• 1:54:25
  It is a call back to Season 1, the finale of Season 1, where
• 1:54:30
  the front man takes 456 blindfolded in the limo back to
• 1:54:34
  the city because he's just won the Squid Game.
• 1:54:37
  And 456 is like, incredulous. He's like, how could you do this
• 1:54:41
  to us? Just doesn't take it in at all.
• 1:54:43
  Doesn't care about the money. Doesn't.
• 1:54:45
  No, he's still like, well, how do you how do you figure that
• 1:54:49
  you can do this to us? And the front man says you like
• 1:54:54
  betting on horses. You people are horses, you're
• 1:54:57
  animals. That's.
• 1:54:59
  So horrible. Is what he says.
• 1:55:01
  And so for Kyun to circle back at the end of season 3 and says
• 1:55:06
  we are not horses, we are humans, I just get chills.
• 1:55:12
  It's such a beautiful moment. It's a beautiful moment, and he
• 1:55:15
  trails off. He doesn't finish the sentence.
• 1:55:17
  Humans are, I think that The Hollywood Reporter asked the
• 1:55:22
  director, Huang Dongyuk, what is the end of that sentence?
• 1:55:26
  And he says there is no end. You fill it in.
• 1:55:29
  It's very hard to define humans because we're so capable of
• 1:55:36
  immense joy, immense love and mercy and grace and all of the
• 1:55:40
  rest. But then we're also so selfish,
• 1:55:44
  so greedy, so horrible to each other.
• 1:55:47
  That's true. And you can fill it.
• 1:55:49
  I like that little Rorschach moment where you can fill it
• 1:55:52
  with whatever you want because you're going to get a different
• 1:55:54
  answer from anybody. And it's I just, I can see why
• 1:55:59
  people. So now that we're here, this,
• 1:56:01
  believe it or not, this was not what upset me about the ending.
• 1:56:04
  It was really all about the confrontation with the game
• 1:56:09
  runner game. Front man.
• 1:56:11
  Front man, sorry, I don't like you saying the confrontation
• 1:56:14
  with the front man was really what bothered me more than
• 1:56:17
  anything. But I was really prepared for
• 1:56:19
  this. Like when I saw the big when the
• 1:56:21
  baby showed up, I'm like, that's it.
• 1:56:23
  The baby's the only one that's going to make it out of this.
• 1:56:26
  Like there's no way. And I I love the ending, but I
• 1:56:29
  can see why people would hate it.
• 1:56:31
  But I would have hated even more some kind of like, oh, you
• 1:56:36
  thought he died, but I actually smuggled him out because he's
• 1:56:40
  like the Batman to my Joker and my like, no, he he like, you
• 1:56:44
  know what I mean? Like they could have gotten very
• 1:56:47
  cartoony with it. It's like, no, like he made that
• 1:56:49
  choice. And that I think that for anyone
• 1:56:52
  who didn't like the ending, I would just say this.
• 1:56:54
  It kind of reinforces the theme of humanity and it strengthens
• 1:56:57
  it in a very powerful way. Because if he just lives, what
• 1:57:02
  was it for? Like, that's the point.
• 1:57:04
  He died. I'm human.
• 1:57:07
  Yeah. To live.
• 1:57:08
  And and even if him if, if they would have really cheaped out
• 1:57:11
  and the baby and him lived right where it's like, I'm going to
• 1:57:15
  keep you both alive and da, da, da, like front man.
• 1:57:17
  Because that's how I imagine an American version of this going.
• 1:57:21
  Like, oh, I'm going to keep them both alive so I can keep an eye
• 1:57:23
  on them. Whatever.
• 1:57:24
  That's what makes the ending powerful.
• 1:57:27
  Like he had to die. He had to prove, hey, there's
• 1:57:30
  somebody out here who actually does give a shit and doesn't see
• 1:57:34
  us like animals. Like I thought it was a
• 1:57:37
  beautiful ending. I thought it was a beautiful
• 1:57:38
  ending. This was not the original
• 1:57:40
  ending. The Hollywood Reporter did ask
• 1:57:43
  the director about the original ending because Goon was
• 1:57:47
  originally not going to die. The director said.
• 1:57:50
  And I quote, I don't know if I can call it an original ending,
• 1:57:53
  but in the beginning I had a vague idea about how I would end
• 1:57:56
  the story. And back then it was having Goon
• 1:57:59
  end the game in one way or another and leave alive and go
• 1:58:02
  see his daughter in America. So originally I thought the
• 1:58:05
  person who witnesses the American recruiter would be
• 1:58:09
  Guillen. But as I begin writing the story
• 1:58:11
  and as I begin to think more and more about what do I want to
• 1:58:14
  deliver with the ending of the story and also what should
• 1:58:17
  Guillen's journey and what should his destination be, I was
• 1:58:21
  witnessing more and more what was happening around the world.
• 1:58:24
  And I thought it was more fitting for Guillen to send this
• 1:58:27
  powerful and impactful message to the world with his death.
• 1:58:31
  And that should be how the story comes to a close.
• 1:58:35
  Fair enough, I can get behind the ending.
• 1:58:38
  I thought you were behind the ending.
• 1:58:40
  No, but I mean, like, I can get behind that.
• 1:58:42
  I can get behind him. Choosing this over even seeing
• 1:58:46
  like an American recruiter would have been exhausting.
• 1:58:48
  I don't like it when things end so well and then it's like, oh,
• 1:58:53
  it's the beginning of something new.
• 1:58:55
  Yeah, exactly. It would have been the beginning
• 1:58:56
  of something new. Just the thought of them
• 1:58:59
  conducting another games of comb use, recruiter being in the
• 1:59:03
  subway and doing it all over again this cycle.
• 1:59:06
  It will not end. That alone at the end of season
• 1:59:09
  1 made him not get on the plane and see his daughter.
• 1:59:12
  He was like no I need to use the money to end this fucking thing.
• 1:59:16
  So if he went to America after possibly dismantling the Korean
• 1:59:20
  Squid Game and sees Cate Blanchett?
• 1:59:24
  We have to talk about. Which we have to talk about that
• 1:59:27
  he sees the American recruiter. That would be the start of
• 1:59:31
  another. He has to keep going.
• 1:59:33
  He can't just live his life on the money and be with his
• 1:59:37
  daughter. No, he's a good man.
• 1:59:40
  He's going to take it all down as much as he can.
• 1:59:44
  Yeah, I'm glad that it ended this way because I, I can't
• 1:59:47
  imagine something more tedious like another season of this.
• 1:59:51
  I can't like, it's been a good ride, but like, you know enough,
• 1:59:55
  we can't miss you if you don't leave.
• 1:59:56
  Like, like you got to go. Like you got to go.
• 2:00:00
  Can we please to. Oh I I just wanted to point this
• 2:00:03
  out apropos of almost nothing. A character that cracks me up
• 2:00:07
  every time he's on screen. A much lesser character,
• 2:00:10
  obviously, but Troy will soak, soak.
• 2:00:15
  He just cracks me up. He's such a goofy guy, the one
• 2:00:18
  who's like, I got to go with my gut feeling like there's
• 2:00:21
  something about this, like Fisherman that robs me the wrong
• 2:00:24
  way. Oh my God.
• 2:00:26
  OK, we'll talk about that in a second.
• 2:00:27
  Oh my God, we'll talk about that in a second.
• 2:00:30
  Because that was the whole thing.
• 2:00:31
  That was the C plot. Yeah, that was AC plot, but yes,
• 2:00:36
  so one of the thing that talking about the pink soldier 0 eleven,
• 2:00:40
  who is Noel and she goes to China to see if her daughter is
• 2:00:45
  still alive or whatever. At this point she's hopeless in
• 2:00:49
  the story. She's still in those apartments
• 2:00:52
  and found all of this stuff on her.
• 2:00:56
  She's got a file and there's a photo of her husband, her
• 2:01:01
  daughter in North Korea. It is just an emotional moment
• 2:01:05
  for her because she's like, Oh my God, we're all under
• 2:01:08
  surveillance. This is the rabbit hole is very
• 2:01:10
  deep here. And she feels completely
• 2:01:13
  convicted because she did abandoned her child in North
• 2:01:17
  Korea. Nothing's going to take away
• 2:01:19
  that from her. Yeah.
• 2:01:21
  And so she's feeling the lowest of the low, but she sees 456
• 2:01:28
  make this sacrificial jump, and she takes the finger off of the
• 2:01:34
  trigger because she was going to commit suicide in this moment of
• 2:01:38
  despair. And his act emboldened her to
• 2:01:41
  live that. Was beautiful.
• 2:01:44
  It was so moving. Yeah.
• 2:01:46
  And she just gets the hell out of there.
• 2:01:47
  And then she gets the. Fuck out.
• 2:01:49
  Yeah. As she should.
• 2:01:50
  Yeah, as she should. Somebody, I don't remember if it
• 2:01:54
  was just one person or not, but somebody was like, why does 456
• 2:01:57
  die with his eyes open? I think this is my theory.
• 2:02:02
  I haven't seen anybody talk about this.
• 2:02:04
  So original thought for once. The season 1 old man, 001, Yeah,
• 2:02:12
  also died with his eyes open, just as the clock struck
• 2:02:16
  midnight and a Good Samaritan did come and bring help to the
• 2:02:20
  homeless man freezing to death in the street.
• 2:02:23
  Gian turns to him, his dead body now eyes open, and he says, you
• 2:02:28
  saw that, didn't you? You saw that you lost.
• 2:02:32
  And in the same way that Gian dies with his eyes open,
• 2:02:37
  witnessing that despite technically losing, he won,
• 2:02:42
  Yeah, he proved something that people still have good in them.
• 2:02:46
  He's a witness to his own Good Samaritan moment.
• 2:02:50
  That's beautiful. I hadn't linked that together.
• 2:02:52
  I actually really like that. It's already at a point where I
• 2:02:55
  really like the ending, but now this is just like, oh I got to
• 2:02:59
  see this through, literally. Yeah, I like it.
• 2:03:02
  He's looking on, maybe toward the future, the baby.
• 2:03:06
  And it's interesting that the front man does not close his
• 2:03:10
  eyes. Just leave him there.
• 2:03:12
  He just leaves him there. But he did close the old man's
• 2:03:16
  eyes. Yeah.
• 2:03:18
  At the end of Season 1. It's mercy, right?
• 2:03:20
  Like or respect or something. I think it's it's something the
• 2:03:25
  relationship between Front Man Ebigen's character and 456
• 2:03:31
  Guillen. They're two halves of the same
• 2:03:34
  coin. They've gone through the same
• 2:03:35
  thing, but Front Man has sold his soul.
• 2:03:38
  Yeah, completely vacant. Completely sold his soul.
• 2:03:42
  And so the other thing that I wanted to ask you was, why do
• 2:03:46
  you think the front man participated in the games a
• 2:03:49
  little bit? I think he just wanted to kind
• 2:03:52
  of mess with 456, but at the same time, I think he wanted.
• 2:03:56
  It's that curiosity, right? Yeah.
• 2:03:59
  Like the bully who is ultimately just, like, intrigued by the
• 2:04:03
  person that they're bullying. I.
• 2:04:04
  Agree. Like there's something it's
• 2:04:06
  like, oh, how come he gets to go do this?
• 2:04:09
  And I don't like how he wanted to see it up close and personal
• 2:04:12
  and interact with this interesting person because I
• 2:04:16
  imagine 456 has to be the most interesting person to like, roll
• 2:04:20
  by there in a while. I would agree, yeah.
• 2:04:22
  And somebody coming back into the game, that's a once in a
• 2:04:25
  lifetime opportunity. The front man knows he's in no
• 2:04:28
  real danger. And he gets to see this like,
• 2:04:31
  it's kind of like his Marie Antoinette moment, you know?
• 2:04:33
  Like he gets to be one of the pores, like, hang out in the
• 2:04:37
  field. Do you know what I mean?
• 2:04:40
  Right, right. Because that's how.
• 2:04:42
  I had that Chateau that was like a little farm village.
• 2:04:46
  Yeah, like cosplaying being a. Village, the proletariat.
• 2:04:51
  Yes. She's like, oh, this is how I
• 2:04:53
  buy bread. I think that that was like, I
• 2:04:56
  think that was it. That was his Marie Antoinette
• 2:04:58
  moment. I think he was so intrigued by,
• 2:05:00
  like, here's a person who's going through the same thing
• 2:05:03
  that I did, but he's choosing to do something different.
• 2:05:06
  Yeah. And it makes him, you can't help
• 2:05:09
  but wonder. It's like, damn, did I get it
• 2:05:11
  wrong? Right.
• 2:05:12
  This could have been my chance exactly.
• 2:05:14
  I could have done something good, but I decided to take this
• 2:05:17
  route. Yeah, so.
• 2:05:19
  There's a hubris Yeah 2 front man that I'm not sure if people
• 2:05:25
  picked up on. He is sure that he's right.
• 2:05:29
  Yeah, he speaks with a lot of certainty.
• 2:05:32
  Same with the original 001. I think that would have, I think
• 2:05:37
  that's the kind of like festering prejudice that gets
• 2:05:40
  proven in a like, they don't have a control for their theory,
• 2:05:44
  do they? Like they're getting what they
• 2:05:47
  perceive the worst of the worst, the most desperate people, and
• 2:05:50
  putting them in a room and seeing the depths that they sink
• 2:05:52
  to to kill each other, but they don't have a control of like,
• 2:05:57
  oh, this is what a good person is.
• 2:05:58
  This is what a standard person is.
• 2:06:01
  So it's kind of like an inaccurate experiment that kind
• 2:06:05
  of acts like a false positive to their prejudices.
• 2:06:09
  Oh, like, yeah, see, I knew all these people were trash.
• 2:06:12
  And it's like, well, yeah, but you never stop to consider you.
• 2:06:14
  Got people at the most. Desperate.
• 2:06:16
  Exactly. So I think it just rotted them.
• 2:06:19
  That's why they speak with a certainty.
• 2:06:20
  Like yeah, I knew people were just trash.
• 2:06:23
  Like I knew it, like I knew it was that because that's wave
• 2:06:26
  after wave after wave of seeing all these people kill each
• 2:06:28
  other, the same predictable situations, but they never think
• 2:06:34
  of like the flaw in their game. Like you're setting them up to
• 2:06:40
  do that. That's not something people are
• 2:06:42
  just going to do. Like also frontman, he could
• 2:06:48
  have just done it for the same reason the old man did it, to
• 2:06:51
  have fun, to feel. Something.
• 2:06:53
  To go back to a simpler. Time playing jacks.
• 2:06:57
  Yeah. Marbles.
• 2:06:58
  Marbles. So we get a six month time jump.
• 2:07:01
  Also, man, I could sit here and talk about front man versus 456
• 2:07:06
  all day, but there was some people who were saying there was
• 2:07:11
  no character development. There was nothing there.
• 2:07:13
  It was all wasted potential. And you know, they got hosed
• 2:07:20
  basically on the front man. And I don't believe that for a
• 2:07:25
  second. They were like, why didn't he
• 2:07:26
  react when Guin made this decision not to kill those
• 2:07:31
  people in the room with the knife that he just gave him?
• 2:07:35
  And I was like, what do you mean?
• 2:07:36
  He did react. Yeah, it's.
• 2:07:38
  I saw something on his facial expression.
• 2:07:41
  I did too, and I don't. It's comments like that that
• 2:07:44
  like convinced me that the like the people not to be mean, but
• 2:07:51
  it's like I can see like the phone in the hand, the laptop
• 2:07:56
  and the lap and then the TV playing Squid Game in the
• 2:07:59
  background because I'm like, are we watching the same show?
• 2:08:03
  Like you can see? Oh my God, yeah.
• 2:08:07
  He's. I don't agree with that one bit.
• 2:08:09
  Definitely upset at the very. Least obvious.
• 2:08:13
  It's so obvious because he's like.
• 2:08:15
  That he made a different decision.
• 2:08:19
  He. He.
• 2:08:19
  Wants to prove himself right so bad.
• 2:08:22
  It's like the Joker moment. He wants.
• 2:08:24
  To cope with the two boats. Yeah, he wants to.
• 2:08:27
  Because if he doesn't, that flies in the face of his
• 2:08:30
  worldview even more because his whole view is like, why I didn't
• 2:08:34
  have a choice. So I do this because, and it's
• 2:08:37
  fine that I do this because humans are trash.
• 2:08:39
  And at every turn he's proven wrong and he gets more and more
• 2:08:42
  pissed. That's why he killed 456's best
• 2:08:46
  friend. That's why he did it.
• 2:08:48
  That's why he let like strung everyone along.
• 2:08:51
  He was trying so hard to corrupt him.
• 2:08:52
  Testing him. And it didn't work.
• 2:08:54
  Yeah, yeah. So.
• 2:08:57
  But he respected 456. Yes.
• 2:09:01
  Immensely like a like you might respect a very good opponent in
• 2:09:06
  a game. And I love that, I really do.
• 2:09:10
  Six months time jump. Someone stole 456's winnings
• 2:09:13
  from the Pink Hotel. I wonder who it is.
• 2:09:15
  Obviously it's front man. Front man drops off the winnings
• 2:09:21
  and his belongings to his daughter in LA and people were
• 2:09:25
  like he wasn't very respectful. He was, I thought, very
• 2:09:29
  respectful and the fact that he showed his face.
• 2:09:32
  Yeah. Huge deal that the daughter got
• 2:09:35
  to see the front man's face. He wasn't respectful like the
• 2:09:39
  sociopathic. Like what?
• 2:09:42
  Like, yeah, like he was respectful.
• 2:09:44
  He was like delivering the news. Like to a fall.
• 2:09:46
  It was like a fallen soldier. This is kind of person who
• 2:09:50
  engages with the public anyway, but I that's the exact parallel
• 2:09:54
  I thought. Like the fallen soldier
• 2:09:55
  treatment where they bring the flag and they do the rights and
• 2:09:58
  they do all that. Like that's exactly how I saw
• 2:10:00
  it. I brought a box with a bow and
• 2:10:02
  kind of gross to give him his outfit outside blood.
• 2:10:05
  Yeah. And I wonder if that girl like
• 2:10:08
  is going to pick up on the fact of what the pin number.
• 2:10:10
  Is yeah, I don't know, she didn't seem too sharp, but maybe
• 2:10:13
  she will. She seemed I think the pizza is
• 2:10:16
  here. The fuck bro?
• 2:10:19
  You've been in California for like 9 years girl right?
• 2:10:24
  No. No, I think it was maybe 5.
• 2:10:26
  That's long enough. Oh whatever, that's fine.
• 2:10:30
  Front Man also drops off player 222, the baby with his brother
• 2:10:36
  Wiha June, and the debit card is loaded up with her winnings.
• 2:10:40
  45.6 billion won. Let's talk about Wiha June
• 2:10:43
  really fast because I hated the C plot.
• 2:10:48
  Really. Yeah.
• 2:10:49
  With the cop and the boats and him uselessly driving around the
• 2:10:57
  waters and the islands and trying to investigate and I'm
• 2:11:00
  like, yeah, we're not getting anywhere.
• 2:11:03
  He ignored the bad juju that that guy was feeling.
• 2:11:11
  The guy cracks me up. Yeah, Tay Wusok, as you said, he
• 2:11:16
  was like, yeah, man, I think that captain's in on it.
• 2:11:19
  There's some bad vibes here. Bad vibes.
• 2:11:21
  Yeah, I'm not getting on that boat.
• 2:11:22
  I'll call you later. Like that would be enough.
• 2:11:25
  And I think that did piss me off because it's like you're a
• 2:11:28
  detective. Like what do you mean?
• 2:11:31
  Detect. Yeah, like I it was frustrating.
• 2:11:34
  It was really frustrating. I thought that that absolutely
• 2:11:37
  went nowhere. The fact that we Ojuna actually
• 2:11:41
  gets on the island as it's about to self destruct.
• 2:11:44
  He has very little time and faces off against the brother
• 2:11:49
  only to yell at the front man who's the brother mind you and
• 2:11:54
  say why? Just yell at him and ask why and
• 2:11:57
  never. It was a huge disappointment.
• 2:11:59
  Never get the answer, never reveal that his brother is the
• 2:12:03
  front man. Only too late.
• 2:12:05
  It was like, dude, what is this? I found it.
• 2:12:10
  I found that to fall really, really flat.
• 2:12:13
  Like, really, really flat. That was one of the more
• 2:12:16
  disappointing because in the first season, I love the
• 2:12:18
  detective subplot. Yeah.
• 2:12:20
  Or in the second it was. The first season.
• 2:12:22
  First season I love the detective sublot, a cool like
• 2:12:26
  criminal investigation going on love that.
• 2:12:28
  But it really fell flat. Like I think it really peaked
• 2:12:32
  with the very obvious twist that the fisherman was corrupt even
• 2:12:37
  though it's one of it was. So it's one of the oldest tropes
• 2:12:41
  too. It's like, oh, the sea chanting
• 2:12:43
  mysterious, like fisherman, like whatever, pull the other one.
• 2:12:48
  I don't. OK, let's talk about Cate
• 2:12:51
  Blanchett. Please, I, I need, we need to
• 2:12:54
  talk the way I I fucking cackled.
• 2:13:00
  I cackled. I laughed so hard I had to pause
• 2:13:04
  and regain my composure because Cate Blanchett, just for
• 2:13:08
  context, is a really really big running gag slash respected
• 2:13:14
  actress in our house. Oh, really?
• 2:13:16
  Like, big. It's a big running gag to the
• 2:13:19
  point my siblings don't watch Squid Game.
• 2:13:21
  And I asked them if they ever would.
• 2:13:22
  They said no, that it's too much gore, too much whatever.
• 2:13:25
  So I was like, OK, so I was like, I want you to see this bit
• 2:13:28
  of Squid Game. And they?
• 2:13:30
  Were they busted out? Oh my God, My sister was like,
• 2:13:35
  of course she's like, I don't know anything about this show,
• 2:13:39
  but of course, of course it's going to be her.
• 2:13:42
  Why wouldn't it be the only? Person I would have busted out
• 2:13:47
  laughing more for would have been Tilda Swinton.
• 2:13:52
  That would have rocked my shit. That would have rocked my shit
• 2:13:55
  too if Tilda Swinton was out there in her best metrosexual
• 2:14:01
  suit playing taxi in an alley in LA.
• 2:14:09
  Oh my God. This is so it was so like I and
• 2:14:16
  I caught it pretty quickly because I had I rewatched tar a
• 2:14:20
  couple of weeks ago. Oh really?
• 2:14:21
  So I guess her like silhouette is top of mind.
• 2:14:24
  No, you did not recognize her from the back.
• 2:14:26
  From the ponytail because it's they show her from the side from
• 2:14:29
  a distance. I'm like.
• 2:14:30
  Shut up. Bitch is that Kate where I'm
• 2:14:32
  shut and they zoom in and there she is with her hyper masculine
• 2:14:38
  imposing figure glaring down and then bitch slapping someone.
• 2:14:42
  I'm like, this is so this is so her, this is so her.
• 2:14:46
  And I loved that detail. I loved it.
• 2:14:50
  The only thing I didn't like about it was they were playing
• 2:14:53
  this Korean game. Yes.
• 2:14:55
  I was like, OK, yeah, sure. So the director specifically
• 2:14:59
  said, look, this was not to introduce AUS Squid Game, this
• 2:15:03
  was not to introduce a spin off. This was not for anything in
• 2:15:06
  particular. This was literally for my own
• 2:15:08
  purposes, to end my show, to show.
• 2:15:12
  Basically the Cyclo is repeating the the front man.
• 2:15:15
  Evan's character had always suspected that this thing was
• 2:15:18
  larger and that it was global, maybe.
• 2:15:21
  And then, sure enough, he runs into Kate Blanchett's recruiter.
• 2:15:26
  It's like they didn't trust it is.
• 2:15:28
  Not if they were playing. Jax.
• 2:15:31
  Jax Paper, Scissor, rock. Something else?
• 2:15:36
  Hopscotch. Hopscotch.
• 2:15:38
  Literally anything. Literally anything else I would
• 2:15:41
  have been way better with it. But they're playing the Korean
• 2:15:44
  taxi game, no? Like that take that breaks the
• 2:15:48
  immersion I think. Let me explain to this drunk,
• 2:15:52
  ostensibly homeless, mentally ill man what this Korean game is
• 2:15:59
  like. I, and I didn't.
• 2:16:00
  It also really I saw it as a huge missed opportunity because
• 2:16:04
  if they were playing Jax, like, and I'm going to take it a step
• 2:16:08
  further, if they had trusted the Korean audience enough to know
• 2:16:12
  that whatever they were playing wasn't because that felt like a
• 2:16:16
  very safe play to me, like, oh, showing this Korean game,
• 2:16:20
  whatever, so that the audience can understand that they play.
• 2:16:23
  I think that if you would have trusted the audience enough to
• 2:16:26
  know, oh, they're playing a game that must be popular in America
• 2:16:30
  or must be well known in America, that point would have
• 2:16:33
  been so eerie and so terrifying to end on.
• 2:16:36
  And the impact would have been better instead of like, oh,
• 2:16:39
  that's interesting, The game's widespread.
• 2:16:41
  But why were they playing this Korean folding paper?
• 2:16:44
  Game. Yeah, it shouldn't be called
• 2:16:45
  play. Game even.
• 2:16:46
  If they like look oh like when Cate Blanchett looks over, it
• 2:16:50
  would have been more interesting for the front man to look at her
• 2:16:54
  and slowly deduce what was going on.
• 2:16:57
  Oh, instead of and then being like oh.
• 2:17:00
  Exactly, I would have found that more interesting because it was
• 2:17:02
  by happenstance that he saw her. So it would have been
• 2:17:05
  interesting to see them playing Jacks and then just her bitch
• 2:17:09
  slapping the dude again and then like turning to the camera and
• 2:17:13
  then Cate Blanchett and giving him that really eerie knowing
• 2:17:16
  look. Like that whole thing would have
• 2:17:18
  played out so much better. But apparently now David Fincher
• 2:17:22
  is doing Squid Games. It's rumored.
• 2:17:24
  It's rumored that David Fincher is heading up the USA Squid Game
• 2:17:31
  spinoff. There is no confirmation that
• 2:17:35
  this is happening, but we'll see.
• 2:17:38
  I'd watch that. If Cate Blanchett is the
• 2:17:41
  recruiter, I'd watch that. I don't have high hopes for it,
• 2:17:44
  but I'd watch. It I'm upset because even though
• 2:17:46
  he's like, oh, this isn't setting up a spinoff, you have
• 2:17:49
  set up lore. Right.
• 2:17:52
  And you know how you can prove that you didn't get another bomb
• 2:17:55
  ass actor? Like with ADR vocals you got,
• 2:17:58
  Cape you got. Cape fucking Blanchette.
• 2:18:01
  Like, that was such bullshit. So somebody actually fought me
• 2:18:04
  on this yesterday. Like I just commented online,
• 2:18:07
  like it was in a discussion post about Squid Game.
• 2:18:10
  I was like, this is such great casting.
• 2:18:12
  Like, I know nobody here is thrilled about a potential
• 2:18:16
  American Squid Game, but I mean, come on.
• 2:18:18
  And they're like, Oh yeah. Well, they weren't even setting
• 2:18:22
  up an American one. And they go on this long, like
• 2:18:25
  litany of reasons why an American 1 won't work.
• 2:18:27
  And I'm like, OK, so first of all, like, oh, let's let's take
• 2:18:31
  a seat. But second, you don't hire Cate
• 2:18:34
  Blanchett for literally nothing. Like something's coming.
• 2:18:38
  Like you don't put it would have been a throwaway casting.
• 2:18:41
  They would have gotten any blonde right off the street, You
• 2:18:44
  know what I mean? It's stunt casting and the
• 2:18:46
  director was like, I always wanted someone with presents,
• 2:18:49
  someone who was of her caliber to play the recruiter because
• 2:18:55
  Kong you is of Cate Blanchett caliber.
• 2:18:58
  He was so good. He was so amazing.
• 2:19:00
  He was so good, like he should have gotten an Emmy.
• 2:19:04
  Oh, he was never I made a face, but.
• 2:19:09
  The crash out with the bread and the the.
• 2:19:11
  Hollywood Reporter did ask him, the director about came
• 2:19:15
  Blanchett's casting and how it came about.
• 2:19:17
  Did you write the cameo with her in mind?
• 2:19:19
  He says. In the beginning, I was tossing
• 2:19:21
  around different ideas. I thought, should it be a man
• 2:19:23
  that we see as a recruiter? But I thought that unlike in the
• 2:19:26
  Korean version, having a woman who's a recruiter for the
• 2:19:29
  American system would be a nice contrast and also quite a
• 2:19:32
  powerful, impactful statement. So we were set on having a
• 2:19:35
  woman. Then I thought, who would be the
• 2:19:37
  right fit for that? It's a very short scene, there's
• 2:19:39
  only one line, so we needed someone who had that level of
• 2:19:42
  presence and charisma to completely dominate the screen
• 2:19:45
  in that instant. And that naturally led me to
• 2:19:48
  Cate Blanchett. I've always been a fan of her.
• 2:19:50
  She's someone who can instantly grab your attention with a
• 2:19:53
  single stare. So that's how we set on her.
• 2:19:56
  I honestly couldn't have casted that any better.
• 2:19:59
  I couldn't have casted that any better because it really is
• 2:20:03
  perfect casting. She's such an imposing woman.
• 2:20:07
  Yes, Like, very. Like, they're right about that.
• 2:20:10
  The presence is. I just thought that she just
• 2:20:13
  sleeps in a closet and shows up to intimidate people.
• 2:20:16
  You know, I mean, like, she's kind of like, you remember how
• 2:20:18
  you would think of your teachers as a kid, right?
• 2:20:20
  Like, oh, they sleep at the school.
• 2:20:22
  That's how I feel about Cate Blanchett.
• 2:20:24
  She's a terrifying professional figure who we don't know where
• 2:20:30
  she goes, but now we know she's a recruiter.
• 2:20:34
  Shit, right, Right. Actually, Kate Blanchett, they,
• 2:20:37
  they just went to Squid Game headquarters and said we need
• 2:20:42
  Kate. I know she's out recruiting
• 2:20:45
  right now, but we need her in. Bring her, call her up, call her
• 2:20:48
  in. Call her up.
• 2:20:49
  Yeah. Oh yeah, We saw her on La Brea.
• 2:20:51
  Let's go pick her. Up.
• 2:20:53
  OK, OK. So I think we're at the end of
• 2:20:56
  this. We've been here for a while,
• 2:20:59
  Miguel. Any last thoughts about Squid
• 2:21:01
  Game? This is it.
• 2:21:03
  No more Squid Game. That is, no more squid, more
• 2:21:06
  Korean. Squid Game.
• 2:21:07
  I would urge anybody who didn't like the ending to rewatch, let
• 2:21:13
  some like sit with it for a bit and watch it slowly.
• 2:21:16
  I think that this is probably one of the greatest shows I've
• 2:21:19
  ever seen in my life. Even with its flaws, I think
• 2:21:23
  it's a like phenomenal show. I think it will stand the test
• 2:21:28
  of time. And I like that the fisherman
• 2:21:33
  got killed with a harpoon. That was cool.
• 2:21:36
  Like I I love that. With that, we're gonna wrap it
• 2:21:44
  up. Thank you for coming on the
• 2:21:46
  show, Miguel, and watching Squid Game Three and talking at length
• 2:21:50
  about it. That's it.
• 2:21:54
  That's it. Thanks, Miguel.
• 2:21:55
  That's been our show. I'm Jessica and this has been
• 2:21:58
  the Tebaki Rambles podcast.