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• 0:14
  Speaker 1: Hey, do you have a minute. Yeah, we just spent
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: three three and a half hours with Amanda Bowling, Brian's sister.
• 0:23
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 0:24
  Speaker 1: Okay, she told a story which I found heartbreaking. You know,
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: after it all happened, josh was sitting on her parents'
• 0:32
  Speaker 1: bed and he was crying and emotional, and she went
• 0:36
  Speaker 1: in and hugged him and said, don't worry, it's gonna
• 0:38
  Speaker 1: be okay, It'll all work out. And it's heartbreaking because
• 0:42
  Speaker 1: that was a genuine like, she genuinely felt that way,
• 0:45
  Speaker 1: and I think she loved Josh And then she now
• 0:48
  Speaker 1: thinks he did it.
• 0:51
  Speaker 3: You know, at the moment, did she think it was
• 0:55
  Speaker 3: an accident that he had shot Brian or did she
• 0:58
  Speaker 3: think it was.
• 0:59
  Speaker 4: Like by she thought Brian had done it. That's what
• 1:01
  Speaker 4: they're being told. So yes, she believed was Russian roulette
• 1:06
  Speaker 4: or just somehow Brian shot himself, and she did not
• 1:09
  Speaker 4: doubt that. In the aftermath of Brian's death, though, his
• 1:14
  Speaker 4: family did begin to have doubts about what Kan Joshua's
• 1:17
  Speaker 4: story had told them, and investigators would later conclude that
• 1:21
  Speaker 4: Brian's injury had not been self inflicted, that he had
• 1:25
  Speaker 4: instead been shot by someone else. Eventually King would be
• 1:30
  Speaker 4: charged with Brian's murder, but investigators also concluded that he
• 1:35
  Speaker 4: hadn't done this crime alone. They believed that he had
• 1:37
  Speaker 4: to have had help, and that's how Lee Clark ended
• 1:40
  Speaker 4: up being charged in this case as well.
• 1:43
  Speaker 2: Everybody keeps insisting he was there.
• 1:45
  Speaker 5: I don't even understand what Dallas's battle.
• 1:47
  Speaker 2: One of the cops had to physically put him there.
• 1:49
  Speaker 1: They couldn't believe Kane could have done it.
• 1:51
  Speaker 5: It made sense, This makes sense.
• 1:53
  Speaker 1: Of course it was Lee who put him up to it.
• 1:55
  Speaker 6: Of course it was.
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  Speaker 4: They are just certain that Josh had not done this alone.
• 1:58
  Speaker 2: He couldn't have done it.
• 1:59
  Speaker 4: That they can't get passed. So there has to be
• 2:01
  Speaker 4: a Lee or someone likely Lee had have been there otherwise.
• 2:04
  Speaker 7: Josh Wooden Dunod.
• 2:11
  Speaker 8: Hi.
• 2:11
  Speaker 4: My name is Susan Simpson. I'm an attorney and podcaster
• 2:15
  Speaker 4: and previously I hosted the Undisclosed podcast.
• 2:18
  Speaker 1: Hi, I'm just into Davis, and I'm a true crime
• 2:21
  Speaker 1: TV producer. Last year, Susan and I decide to team
• 2:25
  Speaker 1: up and reinvestigate the murder of Brian Bowling. Along with
• 2:29
  Speaker 1: Kevin Fitzpatrick, president of Red Marble Media, we decided to
• 2:33
  Speaker 1: launch Proof. You can listen to Proof like you would
• 2:36
  Speaker 1: any podcast, and you can follow us everywhere with the
• 2:39
  Speaker 1: handle at proofcrime pod and on our website proofcrimepod dot com.
• 2:45
  Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, and welcome to Season one, Episode two
• 2:49
  Speaker 1: of Proof. Floyd County, Georgia, is a little over an
• 3:00
  Speaker 1: hour northwest of Atlanta in the foothills of the Appalachian Mountains.
• 3:05
  Speaker 1: The town of Rome is the county seat, set among
• 3:08
  Speaker 1: seven hills, just like the Italian city it's named for.
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  Speaker 1: Rome is a mid sized town with a cute downtown
• 3:15
  Speaker 1: area with shops and restaurants that line the main street.
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  Speaker 1: The community of Silver Creek, where Brian Bowling and Caine's
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  Speaker 1: story grew up, is about ten miles south of Rome.
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  Speaker 1: It's a rural area and on the stretch of highway
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  Speaker 1: where Brian and Kin lived. There's only one commercial establishment,
• 3:33
  Speaker 1: the Silver Creek Mini Mart. It's a little convenience store
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  Speaker 1: just a quarter of a mile from the Bowlings trailer.
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  Speaker 1: Last year, we met up with Lee's brother Jamie, who
• 3:43
  Speaker 1: showed us around where Cain and Brian had lived, and
• 3:46
  Speaker 1: on our way we stopped by the Silver Creek Mini Mart.
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  Speaker 2: So we're going to drive up on this road here.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, ive is that sign said bitcoin?
• 3:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, a lot of take bitcoin here.
• 3:57
  Speaker 4: Really Yeah, bitcoin live bait, Bitcoin atm and live bait
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  Speaker 4: in one store.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, it's got ding ding in there too. It's got
• 4:06
  Speaker 7: what ding ding? Yep, I ain't never played ding ding?
• 4:09
  Speaker 4: I know what's ding ding?
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  Speaker 7: Oh my goodness, it's so fun. It's gambling. Yeah, let's see. Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: turn left right here. Man, this is so grown up.
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  Speaker 7: None of this was grown up like.
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  Speaker 2: This back then.
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  Speaker 7: It was all flattened grass. I mean, you could see.
• 4:26
  Speaker 7: It's changed so much.
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  Speaker 4: Back when Jamie was a kid, he and his brother
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  Speaker 4: would often hang out in this part of Silver Creek.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so who's older you really?
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  Speaker 2: Lee? He's got me by two years.
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  Speaker 4: Were you guys close growing up?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, it was real close. My name. Let me
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  Speaker 2: hang out with him?
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  Speaker 1: Well, tell me about his friend group.
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  Speaker 2: Had a little group of me.
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  Speaker 7: Doug Don came, which some of them call him Josh,
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  Speaker 7: but most people know him Kane Brian.
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  Speaker 2: We all run together.
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  Speaker 7: We'd hang out in that cemetery around his house and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: We'd go over to Kane's house spend.
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  Speaker 4: Night One Friday evening in October of nineteen ninety six.
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  Speaker 4: It was just Jamie, Lee and Kane hanging out together.
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  Speaker 4: They'd driven around, listen to music, smoked a joint, nothing
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  Speaker 4: too exciting, and then Cainan showed them the Revolver, a
• 5:31
  Speaker 4: Smith and Wesson thirty eight Chiefs Special. Caine said he'd
• 5:35
  Speaker 4: taken it from his father's bedroom that night.
• 5:41
  Speaker 7: I got Lee and Kane had been riding around and
• 5:45
  Speaker 7: they picked me up in Lyndale. Then we pulled in here,
• 5:48
  Speaker 7: dropped Kane off.
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  Speaker 2: He got out of the car.
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  Speaker 7: Lee told Kine and he'd get that gun back to
• 5:54
  Speaker 7: his daddy's state and put it up. Kane said that's
• 5:57
  Speaker 7: where he was going, was going home, and that's the
• 6:00
  Speaker 7: last week's thing came go. He went on the other
• 6:06
  Speaker 7: side of the store. He went behind the store to
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  Speaker 7: the road back here. This road back here goes right
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  Speaker 7: down past Rolph's house.
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  Speaker 4: Should we head over there?
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  Speaker 1: The trailer where Brian lived is still there behind the
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  Speaker 1: Silver Creek Mini Mart, but it's been abandoned for years now.
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  Speaker 1: It's broken down to the point that the first time
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  Speaker 1: Susan and I went there, we couldn't even recognize it
• 6:32
  Speaker 1: from the crime scene photos.
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  Speaker 8: Your destination is on the left that's it.
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  Speaker 4: That's a trailer.
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  Speaker 1: Are we sure that's it?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: But how come nobody puts uh?
• 6:48
  Speaker 4: Why does no one believe in mailboxes?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: I thought he lived across the street from the cemetery.
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  Speaker 9: That could be it.
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  Speaker 4: Right there, that's it.
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  Speaker 1: So I think we go down that road, down the
• 7:02
  Speaker 1: creepy road cemetery. Jamie had no trouble finding. We're recognizing
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  Speaker 1: the place that twenty five years earlier, he, Lee, Kine,
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  Speaker 1: and Brian would all hang out right.
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  Speaker 2: Up here, this first road to the rat Lair's. Ryns
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  Speaker 2: tried to rat.
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  Speaker 7: Lair, I ain't never been up here, and.
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  Speaker 2: Johny sent weird.
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  Speaker 4: Jamie and Lee say that after dropping Caine off at
• 7:37
  Speaker 4: the Silver Creek Mini Mart, they'd driven back together to
• 7:40
  Speaker 4: Lee's apartment in the nearby community of Lyndale. Caine says
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  Speaker 4: that he started walking back home from the mini mart,
• 7:46
  Speaker 4: but on his way there, he passed by Brian's trailer
• 7:49
  Speaker 4: and decided to stop in, with his father's thirty eight
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  Speaker 4: Revolver still in his pocket. According to investigators, though Leam
• 7:57
  Speaker 4: Kine had not actually parted ways that night, they'd gone
• 8:01
  Speaker 4: to the Bowling's trailer together, only Lee hadn't gone inside, so.
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  Speaker 7: He wrapped back here with Rohn's run wrapped back here,
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  Speaker 7: you'd see the window here.
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  Speaker 4: This window was an important part of the murder case
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  Speaker 4: against Jamie's brother Lee. According to investigators, Lee had been
• 8:21
  Speaker 4: standing outside of this window when the shot was fired.
• 8:25
  Speaker 4: Brian's sister Amanda and her husband Kenneth told us why
• 8:28
  Speaker 4: it makes sense that Lee would have used this window
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  Speaker 4: to get to Brian's bedroom that night.
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  Speaker 8: You know, Brian's window was busted, so he had a
• 8:37
  Speaker 8: piece of plywood up, you know, to just cover the
• 8:42
  Speaker 8: bottom part, because that was all that was busted. And
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  Speaker 8: you know, Josh knew it. Everybody knew his little window
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  Speaker 8: was broke, you know, and you could get in and
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  Speaker 8: out without having to go through a door or anything.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 10: That's why when we did hear about somebody being at
• 9:02
  Speaker 10: that black window at his window over the version while
• 9:06
  Speaker 10: the board was down, and so, I mean, it had
• 9:08
  Speaker 10: been easy just to pull that cart back and ba
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  Speaker 10: standing right there.
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  Speaker 4: Jamie confirmed for us that he and Brian's other friends
• 9:15
  Speaker 4: had often gone in and out of the Bowlings trailer
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  Speaker 4: through the busted out window.
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  Speaker 7: I remember sneaking in the house many times. On the
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  Speaker 7: back side. Back there, there's base of wood. Wouldn't move
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  Speaker 7: it out of the way to get it?
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  Speaker 4: How would you move it out of the way.
• 9:30
  Speaker 7: Just slide it out of the way like it in.
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  Speaker 4: His in his room, so it was inside his room
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  Speaker 4: kind and yeah, we.
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  Speaker 7: Just like slide it down. I mean we snuck in
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  Speaker 7: and out that window all the time.
• 9:42
  Speaker 1: How'd you guys get in and out of the window The.
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  Speaker 11: Bab was drafted there.
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  Speaker 7: I mean we leaked in, just leaked in the window.
• 9:48
  Speaker 7: Back then we could leap, Uh Like I couldn't Now
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  Speaker 7: I could like roll over in. There ain't no way
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  Speaker 7: I could leap in that window night.
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  Speaker 4: Heen's story was the the only other person in the
• 10:01
  Speaker 4: bedroom with Brian when Brian was shot, but the busted
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  Speaker 4: out bedroom window explains how Lee Clark could have participated
• 10:08
  Speaker 4: in this murder too, even when everyone agrees that he
• 10:12
  Speaker 4: never set foot inside the trailer that night. According to investigators,
• 10:17
  Speaker 4: the scenario looks something like this. You have Cain inside
• 10:21
  Speaker 4: the bedroom with Brian pretending to stop by for a
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  Speaker 4: friendly visit, when really he's just there to keep Brian distracted,
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  Speaker 4: and then you have Lee lurking outside the bedroom window
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  Speaker 4: and sliding the loose plywood board aside so that he
• 10:34
  Speaker 4: can peer inside the room. And finally there's Brian sitting
• 10:38
  Speaker 4: on his bed, talking on the phone to his girlfriend,
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  Speaker 4: his back to the busted out window, oblivious to what's
• 10:43
  Speaker 4: going on behind him. And then either King or Lee
• 10:47
  Speaker 4: pulls out a gun and shoots Brian in the head.
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  Speaker 4: So that's how Brian Bowling was killed according to the
• 10:54
  Speaker 4: case of trial. But what about the why why would
• 10:58
  Speaker 4: these two teenagers have conspired to murder their friend and
• 11:02
  Speaker 4: why did the community think they were capable of such
• 11:04
  Speaker 4: a crime. To understand that, we need to take a
• 11:08
  Speaker 4: closer look at the three boys involved in this case
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  Speaker 4: and the friendships between them.
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  Speaker 1: When we talked to Amanda Bowling, she showed us some
• 11:23
  Speaker 1: family photos of her brother Brian.
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  Speaker 9: That was.
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  Speaker 8: And that one too, must when he was little thing,
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  Speaker 8: This one cracks look he.
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  Speaker 9: Saw in his.
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  Speaker 4: Proper.
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  Speaker 1: Then Amanda came across what she thinks might be the
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: very last picture ever taken of Brian, and this.
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  Speaker 8: One was taken in August of ninety so that is
• 11:55
  Speaker 8: the last picture we have loving Wow, how don't.
• 12:01
  Speaker 7: You can see he's you know?
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: And boys go through that phase yes, all of a
• 12:06
  Speaker 1: sudden they like grow tall and like.
• 12:08
  Speaker 8: Yeah, started looking like men, and he did. He had
• 12:12
  Speaker 8: slammed up, you know, and he was tall, and he
• 12:17
  Speaker 8: was very handsome. And I didn't realize how handsome my
• 12:19
  Speaker 8: brother was until afterwards.
• 12:26
  Speaker 1: Back in nineteen ninety six, Brian's best friends were Cain,
• 12:30
  Speaker 1: Joshua's story, and another boy named Tommy Hyde.
• 12:35
  Speaker 8: Tommy lived up on the heel.
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  Speaker 4: Oh is he Kain's man or Josh's neighbor.
• 12:39
  Speaker 8: Yeah, Josh's neighbor, so he had been. Brian and Brian
• 12:43
  Speaker 8: were best friends too, all three of them.
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  Speaker 6: They were three peas in a pod.
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  Speaker 1: Kean, Tommy, and Brian all lived on the edges of
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: the Pleasant Hope Cemetery, just a short walk from one another.
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  Speaker 1: Brian's uncle, Michael, who also lived near the cemetery back then,
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  Speaker 1: remembers them hanging out together just about every day.
• 13:02
  Speaker 12: I would say Tommy was his best friend and Josh
• 13:07
  Speaker 12: would have been the second best. Those guys were always together. Now,
• 13:12
  Speaker 12: Lee was his friend, but Deborah and Rocky didn't like Lee.
• 13:16
  Speaker 12: I'm not sure exactly why, so he was supposed to
• 13:19
  Speaker 12: stay away from Lee.
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: Brain's sister remembers that Josh would sometimes bring Lee by
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: their place, even though Brain's mom and died didn't like
• 13:31
  Speaker 1: Lee coming around.
• 13:33
  Speaker 8: Lee. I had never met Lee until probably my I
• 13:39
  Speaker 8: was like fourteen, because he just popped up up here,
• 13:45
  Speaker 8: you know, up at Josh's house. And whenever he was around,
• 13:49
  Speaker 8: he wouldn't come down to the house that much. They
• 13:51
  Speaker 8: would walk by, and my brother was always outside, and
• 13:56
  Speaker 8: you know, and they would he would stop him, you know,
• 14:00
  Speaker 8: and they would chit chat.
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  Speaker 10: For a little while.
• 14:02
  Speaker 8: But when Lee was around, Gosh never would hang out
• 14:05
  Speaker 8: with Brian. He wouldn't hang out with us.
• 14:08
  Speaker 4: So would you say Lee and Brian were friends.
• 14:10
  Speaker 8: Or not so much as friends but friend of a friend.
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: According to investigators, Lee Clark had been in a gang
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: with Brian Bulling, but everyone including Lee, agrees that he
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: and Brian only ever hung out when they were with
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: their mutual friend Kane Slash Josh story.
• 14:34
  Speaker 9: I was friends of Bribe, but I wouldn't I wasn't
• 14:36
  Speaker 9: close with him like Kane was. You know what I'm saying.
• 14:38
  Speaker 9: I can't get right there in the neighborhood with pretty
• 14:41
  Speaker 9: much every day. I would just stay here and there
• 14:43
  Speaker 9: when I went overhere, and they wouldn't. Every time I
• 14:44
  Speaker 9: wouldn't over to stay Kane, I'd go see Brian. It
• 14:47
  Speaker 9: wasn't like it. He was too much for me, that
• 14:49
  Speaker 9: hyperactive stuff. I'm not like it. I'm a laid back,
• 14:52
  Speaker 9: easy going type of guy. I just wanted to do stuff,
• 14:54
  Speaker 9: take it easy, chill. I lot Brian and I lot
• 14:58
  Speaker 9: too much a friend, but I just wasn't close. Wouldn't
• 15:00
  Speaker 9: know what game was.
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: I asked to Lee what he meant about the hyperactive stuff,
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: and he told me a story about one time when he, Brian,
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: and Kane had all been hanging out together.
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  Speaker 9: I mean, I've been with him a game, walking down
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  Speaker 9: the walking down the street from his road, Crane Road,
• 15:20
  Speaker 9: to cross lot More Highway, and we're crossing the highway
• 15:23
  Speaker 9: and I'll see him to get out there the middle
• 15:24
  Speaker 9: highway and laid down in the middle of the highway
• 15:26
  Speaker 9: when now trunks coming down from there and I'm like, man,
• 15:32
  Speaker 9: what hell are you doing? LL not want you to watch,
• 15:35
  Speaker 9: you want you to stop. I said, you stupid, that
• 15:37
  Speaker 9: the men they're gonna wind you over. But he would do.
• 15:42
  Speaker 9: Then you're trying to.
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: Get Other friends of Brian's that we talked to told
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: us similar stories about Brian playing chicken on motorbikes or
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: dodging trains, and Amanda told us that the incident le
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: recalls with Brian on the Rockmart Highway was not the
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: only time her brother had done something like that. You've
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: heard this.
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  Speaker 8: One, Yeah, buy him laying in the road right here.
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  Speaker 8: He used to do that out here all the time.
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  Speaker 8: And I would always be I break with him, you know,
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  Speaker 8: get up.
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  Speaker 13: Get up.
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: Why would he do that?
• 16:18
  Speaker 8: He just could because he couldn't, Yeah, just cause he
• 16:21
  Speaker 8: was just a joker, just always getting in trouble, doing
• 16:26
  Speaker 8: stuff he wasn't supposed to be doing.
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: Queen of the Transcript, Your brother was on home arrest, at.
• 16:31
  Speaker 8: The house arrest. Yeah, he had went off with somebody
• 16:35
  Speaker 8: and got into some trouble after my daddy had a
• 16:38
  Speaker 8: brain in nurism. He had a gun charge because he
• 16:42
  Speaker 8: had stolen the gun out of that house. It was
• 16:45
  Speaker 8: an old gun. You know, it didn't work, but you
• 16:49
  Speaker 8: know he still stole it from that house. So he
• 16:51
  Speaker 8: got that charge. He got a bunch of charges that day,
• 16:56
  Speaker 8: a lot of charges. It was just through the juvenile courts.
• 17:00
  Speaker 8: So the judge he was expecting to get sent off.
• 17:05
  Speaker 8: You know, and now I kind of wish they would have.
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: Sent him are Amanda, like most kids in Silver Creek,
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: had attended the nearby Pepperrell High School. That's where her
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: brother had started off in school too, But because of
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: some of the trouble he had gotten into, Brian had
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: been transferred up to another school in West Rome. Yeah.
• 17:22
  Speaker 8: Well, he rode one of the little short buses got
• 17:26
  Speaker 8: kicked off all the time, but so he rode one
• 17:30
  Speaker 8: of the A school I heard it called, yeah, behavioral school. Yeah,
• 17:35
  Speaker 8: so that would be a school something like that like Alternatives.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: Was while attending a school in Cusa that Brian Bulling
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: had met his girlfriend, fifteen year old Caprice Hyatt.
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: Hi, Hi, Hi, I'm just in the We stop by
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: your mom's earlier.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: When we showed up on Caprice's doorstep, it was October nineteenth,
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: the day after the anniversary of brain shooting.
• 18:11
  Speaker 14: Yesterday was anniversary.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: I already know I'll never forget it. I'm sorry.
• 18:15
  Speaker 14: I've been twenty five years and I was still never
• 18:16
  Speaker 14: forget it.
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: Twenty Yeah, yeah, it was real. It growed me up
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: real quick.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: I bet brain Bullying had been Caprice's first boyfriend.
• 18:31
  Speaker 14: I was detained and he was deftained. And I went
• 18:35
  Speaker 14: to Coast High School and he went to high school
• 18:38
  Speaker 14: which she used to be behind coos and the trailers,
• 18:40
  Speaker 14: and he was on the little short bus that took
• 18:43
  Speaker 14: him home all the way across down and I was
• 18:47
  Speaker 14: walking and we just hollered at me out that he
• 18:49
  Speaker 14: was one of the bus. He was like, hey, can
• 18:52
  Speaker 14: I get your remember? I was like, I was like, sure,
• 18:55
  Speaker 14: he's ye know, but yeah he was.
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: It's kind of like my first lil fu you love thing.
• 19:01
  Speaker 9: And then he called you.
• 19:02
  Speaker 14: He did, and we talked up until to day. All
• 19:06
  Speaker 14: that happened, but it was natural. It was like, I mean,
• 19:10
  Speaker 14: he was head over heels and I was smitten. You know.
• 19:13
  Speaker 14: He asked you to be a boyfriend and girls, oh yeah, yeah,
• 19:16
  Speaker 14: yeah he did that. You know, first time we tell her,
• 19:19
  Speaker 14: he said, I just I've seen you. I just knew
• 19:20
  Speaker 14: that I wanted you to make my girlfriend.
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: The first time you talked to the phone.
• 19:25
  Speaker 14: Yes, I said, well, I mean what can you say
• 19:28
  Speaker 14: to that?
• 19:29
  Speaker 11: But okay.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Because Caprice and Brian didn't attend the same high school,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: and because they were fifteen and couldn't drive themselves anywhere,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: they weren't able to meet in person all that often.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Mostly they talked on the phone, which they did just
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: about any chance they got.
• 19:46
  Speaker 14: You know, like I got out of school, he either
• 19:49
  Speaker 14: call me or I called him, and we were on
• 19:51
  Speaker 14: the phone until until my mama got me off.
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Like, that's what we did.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: On the day that Brian was shot and killed, Caprice,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: like usual, had called him as soon as she had
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: gotten home from school. Brain was usually around to answer.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: He was after all, on house arrest, but had been
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Brain's brother in law, Kenneth, who answered the phone that day.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: He told her that Brian wasn't home yet, she'd have
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: to call back. Leader.
• 20:23
  Speaker 10: Brian was working with the Childers that day. He was
• 20:27
  Speaker 10: working with them because he had got in a bunch
• 20:30
  Speaker 10: of trouble, like the week or so, or a couple
• 20:33
  Speaker 10: of weeks or a month or so before, so he
• 20:36
  Speaker 10: had gotten a bunch of trouble. I got mad with
• 20:40
  Speaker 10: him again and tried to tell him, look, Brian, you're
• 20:42
  Speaker 10: messing up because I done been there, done that. It
• 20:44
  Speaker 10: doesne messed up my life. And I told him, I said, look, man,
• 20:49
  Speaker 10: you're gonna screw your life up, you know, And he
• 20:52
  Speaker 10: went to work with the childers, try to try to
• 20:55
  Speaker 10: get back, you know, doing something, try to not get
• 20:58
  Speaker 10: away from people.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Brian's family told us that in October of nineteen ninety six,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Brian had been trying to turn his life around, but
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: he was still hanging out with friends that his family
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: thought were a bad influence on him. And, as his
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: aunt Melody told us, that's what she thinks led to
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: his death.
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: He just ran with that with the crowd. Brian had
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: never been arrested, not to my knowledge, not unless someone
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: kept it from me. But if they did, they kept
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: it from my mom too. But you know, I mean
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: he wasn't perfect, you know, typical boy fifteen years old,
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: you know, but he had a good heart. And it
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: just really destroyed our family. I divorced, my brother divorced,
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: my mom and dad divorced, Deborah and her husband divorced,
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: and I mean it was just you know a lot
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: of chaos. I mean it, it did.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: It just shatter.
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: And it wasn't about the trial or anything. It's just
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: you know, emotions, I guess.
• 22:09
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 22:09
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: At the time of Brian's death, his family had not
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: considered King Joshua's story to be one of the bad
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: influences in his.
• 22:18
  Speaker 8: Life, because Josh was just Josh was a funny you know,
• 22:23
  Speaker 8: we all goofed with him.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 22:26
  Speaker 8: He was just not the type of person to have
• 22:28
  Speaker 8: any kind of violence in him. He was not a
• 22:30
  Speaker 8: violent person.
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: Josh and Brian had been so close that to the bullings,
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: Josh was basically family as well. Brian's uncle Michael told
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: us that before Brian's death, he hadn't been aware of
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: any conflict or bad blood between the two boys.
• 22:45
  Speaker 12: Josh and Brian were at my house like constantly. You know,
• 22:48
  Speaker 12: they're good friends, so they were there almost daily. Even
• 22:52
  Speaker 12: the day before that happened, Josh and Brian was at
• 22:56
  Speaker 12: my house and I had a barn, and they weren't
• 22:59
  Speaker 12: shooting gun, but there's sheeting water guns, running around, cheating
• 23:02
  Speaker 12: each other.
• 23:02
  Speaker 9: You know.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: We met Kane's mom, June Story, at her home in Rome.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: She lives in a double wide at the bottom of
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: a steep hill, the kind of hill that makes you
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: feel like you're on a roller coaster ride, but somehow scarier.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: We don't have that fiber drive that No, it's like
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: a mile.
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: This makes me real nervous. It's rude.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: Come on, to blow this hill. I can't see a
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: damn leg.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: When we finally made it to her place, you could
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: tell immediately that the years since Kane's arrest and conviction
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: have taken a toll. Kane's dad passed away a few
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: years after the trial, and June says she spends most
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: of her time thinking about the what ifs.
• 23:49
  Speaker 13: I was just hoping he would graduate from high school
• 23:51
  Speaker 13: and go by Bee to college and they won't go
• 23:53
  Speaker 13: to college, just find a nice lady and get married
• 23:57
  Speaker 13: and have children and think just a simple, normal life,
• 24:02
  Speaker 13: normal life. Yeah, and how did it turn out? Trying out?
• 24:06
  Speaker 13: Pretty bad?
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Who did? Now?
• 24:11
  Speaker 13: I mean, that's why I think God will give people
• 24:14
  Speaker 13: knowledge to see the future. If I had seen the future,
• 24:17
  Speaker 13: I would never probably ever been able to bear it,
• 24:21
  Speaker 13: to know that that was gonna happen down the line.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: June showed us pictures of King from when he was
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: in high school. He is tall almost six foot three
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: inches in real thin, and although he was seventeen and
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six, he looks much younger. You can hear
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: the pride in her voice as June describes the pictures.
• 24:41
  Speaker 13: That was in one of his uh Spring concert at
• 24:44
  Speaker 13: Peple High School of the music program. They was singing
• 24:47
  Speaker 13: some song.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: So he was active in school.
• 24:50
  Speaker 9: He was acting.
• 24:51
  Speaker 13: His music goes and you know he uh yeah, he
• 24:55
  Speaker 13: was a He wasn't like in sports, he wasn't like
• 24:57
  Speaker 13: in all that stuff. But he he loved me. In fact,
• 25:01
  Speaker 13: one of the conference, he sang before a crowd about
• 25:04
  Speaker 13: thousand people.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: On paper, Lee and Kane might not have seemed to
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: be the likeliest of friends. They had very different interests
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: and very different personalities. One of those differences was Kane's
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: musical talent.
• 25:23
  Speaker 9: They wanted to be a musicians. They wanted to be
• 25:26
  Speaker 9: a musician. What they want to do, and I'll give
• 25:28
  Speaker 9: it to him. Kane, Hey can play a guitar, he
• 25:30
  Speaker 9: can sing. It's got a beautiful boy. They do.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: So his big plan was to get a band going.
• 25:38
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that's what he wanted to do. That's a dream.
• 25:41
  Speaker 9: They love music, love music.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Lee remembers that Kane and some of his friends put
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: together a garage band.
• 25:49
  Speaker 9: And the man from Caine an little money. It wasn't
• 25:53
  Speaker 9: no big del but it sums up. They getting together
• 25:55
  Speaker 9: over Caine House on the weekends. They lay in their
• 25:57
  Speaker 9: little geared stuff.
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: Told me he didn't know much about the garage band
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: or Kane's other musical pursuits. It wasn't something that Lee
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: shared Kine's interest in.
• 26:07
  Speaker 9: I can't play and don't want to hear many thanks.
• 26:11
  Speaker 9: It's that looking fat being prone on the company em
• 26:13
  Speaker 9: party night wielding.
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: Back in nineteen ninety six, it seemed like things were
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: going well for Kane. He was still attending the regular
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: high school, playing in the band, participating in this church's choir,
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: and before October of that year, he didn't have a record.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's got a record.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: I don't remember.
• 26:36
  Speaker 9: No, he didn't. He didn't have no record. Hey game
• 26:39
  Speaker 9: was gotten. Squaky claim. He was kind of squaky claim at.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: Lee's brother Jamie, told us that when he first heard
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: Kine had been arrested in connection with Brian's death, it
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: never occurred to him that Kane might be accused of
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: doing something to intentionally harm his friend.
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: Do you remember the first time where you heard that
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: Caine was a suspect in Brian's death, because like went
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: on before Lee came in, But do you remember hearing
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: that Kane was a suspect?
• 27:07
  Speaker 7: I do, and I thought Kay was just a suspect
• 27:12
  Speaker 7: for bringing the gun down there. And on the same note,
• 27:16
  Speaker 7: you know, I could have seen Kane accidentally shooting the
• 27:22
  Speaker 7: boy by accident, you know, when that happened. I could
• 27:25
  Speaker 7: have seen that happening, you know, because he was just goofy,
• 27:29
  Speaker 7: like a he trip over Cordo's phone. I mean, that
• 27:34
  Speaker 7: was just Kane.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: A lot of people we spoke to while investigetting this
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: case told us that on his own Kine Slash Josh
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: would never have gotten involved in any kind of murder conspiracy.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: That just isn't the kind of kid that he was.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: In fact, Brian's uncle Michael, believes that it had to
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: be because of Lee's influence that Josh went along with
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: what he thinks was a plan to murder Brian.
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: Everyone describes it as kind of like a follower and
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: sort of a I don't want to say weaker personality.
• 28:02
  Speaker 12: But he was, I mean, and that's what we all
• 28:05
  Speaker 12: kind of thought to you, that Lee had more influence
• 28:09
  Speaker 12: over him, you know, And I think, honestly, like I said,
• 28:12
  Speaker 12: that Lee was either in the room or outside the
• 28:15
  Speaker 12: room kind of making Josh do it, because I don't
• 28:19
  Speaker 12: think Josh would have never, ever, ever Haulem Brian.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Ever, on his own, it wasn't just Brian's family who
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: felt this way. A lot of Ken's and Brian's friends
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: told us something similar, which wasn't something we had expected
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: when we first start looking into this case.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Wow, I mean, it's just.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: The interesting thing is that is that some people really
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: think that Lee is capable of orchestrating all of this,
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: And I guess I didn't expect that going in.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: You know, I didn't either.
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: Meanwhile, came Josh just looks like a goofy wlanky trying mess.
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: He does not look sinister, He does not look like
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: someone capable organizing all this. He looks just like a
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: goofy lanky team.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you were going to cast it as
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: a film and cast like the movie as like a
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: killer and the guy who's his follower, you would cast
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: you know, Lee as the as the lead guy and
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: Kane as the follower.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Like That's how you would cast it.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Lee is well aware that even before Brian's death, there
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: had been people in Kane's life who thought he was
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: leading his friend in a bad direction.
• 29:32
  Speaker 9: Well, he went to school at Purple High School. He
• 29:34
  Speaker 9: always had this old, uh good he too shues persna
• 29:38
  Speaker 9: around him, you.
• 29:39
  Speaker 15: Know what I mean?
• 29:40
  Speaker 9: Yeah, people looked at him and and there's people in
• 29:43
  Speaker 9: high school. I remember when I was still going to
• 29:45
  Speaker 9: school before I quit. Well kept telling him, man, what
• 29:47
  Speaker 9: you hanging out with him for?
• 29:49
  Speaker 15: Man?
• 29:50
  Speaker 9: Like I would just just mad An Floyd, So I
• 29:52
  Speaker 9: would just a straight face the trash.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Since being incarcerated, a lot things have changed for Kane.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: For one, he no longer has that squeaky clean record.
• 30:06
  Speaker 15: Went down the wrong path by hey, he's famous for
• 30:09
  Speaker 15: going down the wrong path over and over again. It
• 30:13
  Speaker 15: kills me.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: In the twenty four years after their arrest and conviction,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Kan and Lee ended up serving time together at three
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: different prisons in Georgia, but it's now been several years
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: since they last saw each other. King's disciplinary record means
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: that he's ended up in higher security facilities. Lee told
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: us more about King's life in prison.
• 30:36
  Speaker 15: Every time I call over and taught my mom or something,
• 30:41
  Speaker 15: I get a little updates jump back Cane un did this,
• 30:44
  Speaker 15: or canes back in the hole this, and that the
• 30:46
  Speaker 15: boy ain't never going to learn forty one years old,
• 30:48
  Speaker 15: still ain't learned shit. I don't think he's got no
• 30:51
  Speaker 15: good comma sins. And that's what I'm thinking is the
• 30:54
  Speaker 15: boy he ain't never had no good commacines much since
• 30:56
  Speaker 15: takes you a long waistness when it comes to books.
• 30:59
  Speaker 15: The boys a genius. He is a genius when he
• 31:01
  Speaker 15: coach to books, when he goes to music. He said, genius,
• 31:03
  Speaker 15: I'll give you my when it cost a good common sense.
• 31:06
  Speaker 15: He ain't got nothing period.
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: When we began working on this podcast, I reached out
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: to Caine through his mother, June. I asked her to
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: let him know what I was doing and to tell
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: him that I was hoping to hear his side of
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: the story about what happened that night in the Bowlings trailer.
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: June got word back to me that Caine was adding
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: me to his phone list, and I was hopeful i'd
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: soon speak to him. He didn't call, though. When I
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: talked to Lee about this, he was frustrated, but not surprised.
• 31:35
  Speaker 9: I mean, I don't make no sense to me me
• 31:38
  Speaker 9: if rose they reversed. As soon as I would have
• 31:42
  Speaker 9: heard about all this, I'd have been trying to find
• 31:44
  Speaker 9: some what kind of what he getting? Caught there with
• 31:45
  Speaker 9: you right then?
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: It sounds like he's found a way to exist right now,
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: and he doesn't care about changing.
• 31:51
  Speaker 9: Yeah, they told me before, hated loved man. He said,
• 31:54
  Speaker 9: we're gonna die here in all this place, I said,
• 31:56
  Speaker 9: love Kan, I said, I'm gonay, you're ruting now, rout.
• 31:58
  Speaker 9: I said, I'm not dying in here. I said, I'm
• 32:01
  Speaker 9: uping to do it, man. I said, I ain't going
• 32:03
  Speaker 9: to sit here and sit er and say that I'm
• 32:05
  Speaker 9: gonna die in prison for something like that. That don't
• 32:08
  Speaker 9: even sound right, man, I said, you just give en
• 32:10
  Speaker 9: up any hope of ever getting out of this place.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: Not long after that, I received a letter from Kin.
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: He said he'd been trying to reach out to me,
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: but the facility that he was at would not let
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: him call. In his letter, he described the events of
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: the night that Brian was shot and closed with the following,
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: we did not kill Brian Bowling. We are two innocent
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: men who have been incarcerated since were teenagers for a
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: murder that never happened. Brian killed himself while playing Russian
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: Roulette with my father's gone. Where Lee was at I
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: do not know. All I know is he was not
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: at that house that night, and I did not kill Brian.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Almost everyone who knew brian bullying and Cain's story, agree
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: that acting on his own, Caine would not have killed
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: his friend Brian. They believe that Kine's involvement in this
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: crime can only be explained by some kind of outside
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: influence by someone who was standing outside of Brian's window
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: and who either shot Brian themselves or who forced Kine
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: to be the one to do it. So what is
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: it about Lee Clark that made people think he could
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: have been the someone standing outside the window that night?
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: We reached out to Lee's dad, Glenn, for an interview.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: He suggested that we meet at the church where he
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: is very active, just a short drive from where he
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: lives in Cave Springs.
• 33:50
  Speaker 11: My name is Daryl Glenn Clark.
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: Tell us where we are today.
• 33:56
  Speaker 11: We are at Live Oak Baptist Church and out of
• 34:00
  Speaker 11: Ca Sprains, Georgia.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: And why did you suggest this location?
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: What does this church mean?
• 34:05
  Speaker 11: Well, this church right here is just there's no better
• 34:09
  Speaker 11: place to be in the House of the Lord home
• 34:11
  Speaker 11: and just thought it'd be a good place to be here.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: When he was growing up, what did you picture his
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: future would be like?
• 34:21
  Speaker 11: Well, I've been in tree business all my life, Okay,
• 34:26
  Speaker 11: and I maintained right away for utility companies.
• 34:30
  Speaker 9: And.
• 34:32
  Speaker 11: I thought maybe he may fall into that, you know
• 34:34
  Speaker 11: what I'm saying, Because there really wasn't nothing else here
• 34:37
  Speaker 11: in this town. You either work in a cotton mill,
• 34:40
  Speaker 11: carpet mill, pants factory. That's what they got here.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Glenn Clark's vision of what his son's future might have
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: been isn't much different from how Lee imagines things would
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: have gone too if he hadn't ended up being arrested
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: for murder when he was seventeen.
• 34:57
  Speaker 15: If it hadn't happened to you, or you think you'd
• 34:59
  Speaker 15: be me, Honestly, I'd probably be out there somewhere right
• 35:04
  Speaker 15: now cutting trees with my dad right now. I like
• 35:07
  Speaker 15: to think that I would have me a little bit
• 35:09
  Speaker 15: of money. Save that, I thank God have me a
• 35:10
  Speaker 15: wife and a couple of kids. By now. I'm fitting
• 35:14
  Speaker 15: to be forty one years old, and I really want kids.
• 35:17
  Speaker 15: I want them bad. I just can't get out there
• 35:20
  Speaker 15: to get any I feel like I'm in a point
• 35:23
  Speaker 15: in my life right now that really got my head
• 35:24
  Speaker 15: on my shoulders good, and I feel like I'll be
• 35:27
  Speaker 15: a great dad.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Back in nineteen ninety six, part of Lee's imagine future
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: had already come to pass. He was already cutting trees
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: with his dad. Was a job as dad helped him
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: get when Lee decided to drop out of high school.
• 35:42
  Speaker 15: Yeah, I was a dropout. I quit that in the
• 35:44
  Speaker 15: ninth grade. Yes, I quit and have my dad signed
• 35:48
  Speaker 15: the papers that I ain't going back. If you don't
• 35:50
  Speaker 15: sign the papers, I'm just gonna skip. And he told me,
• 35:53
  Speaker 15: he said, okay, He said, I got something for you.
• 35:55
  Speaker 15: He said, you want me signing the papers? All right, Hey,
• 35:58
  Speaker 15: sign them. We said. We got back in the house.
• 36:00
  Speaker 15: He said, come here.
• 36:01
  Speaker 9: I said, what's that?
• 36:02
  Speaker 15: He said, that's a job application.
• 36:03
  Speaker 11: Fill it out.
• 36:05
  Speaker 15: I said what I said, mean you're crazy. He said, boy,
• 36:07
  Speaker 15: I'm gonna take you right now. He said, you think
• 36:09
  Speaker 15: you're gonna quit school and you're gonna lay it right here.
• 36:11
  Speaker 15: It ain't having the house building papers out, but you
• 36:14
  Speaker 15: going to work. And he put me to work the
• 36:16
  Speaker 15: next day cutting trees. I thought I was grown. I
• 36:20
  Speaker 15: was literally did. I was working full time, making making money,
• 36:24
  Speaker 15: paying the bills, and thinking that was grown and not
• 36:27
  Speaker 15: knowing the whole time I was long ways from it.
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  Speaker 15: You couldn't tell me nothing. I thought I was a ship.
• 36:33
  Speaker 15: Back then, I thought I had it going on. I
• 36:35
  Speaker 15: love to get it from my buddies with my older girlfriend,
• 36:38
  Speaker 15: hang out with her. Thought I was real cool, thought
• 36:41
  Speaker 15: I was real hip, and so said, I ain't lying.
• 36:45
  Speaker 15: If I could go back and just see my sixteen
• 36:48
  Speaker 15: year old self, I guess that's the way it is.
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  Speaker 15: Us wrong.
• 36:51
  Speaker 10: Boys.
• 36:51
  Speaker 15: We all think we're the ship that we finally figure
• 36:53
  Speaker 15: out we ain't. But then it's too late.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Glend us and disagree.
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  Speaker 4: He says.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Lee thought he had it all figured out and it
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: was starting to get in the way of their relationship.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Now you were saying that when he became a teenager,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: you start to butt ha. Yeah, and Lee started to
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: get into a little bit of trouble.
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  Speaker 13: Tell me about that.
• 37:16
  Speaker 11: I think the most thing that irritated me about him
• 37:19
  Speaker 11: that I would I would give him, you know, a job,
• 37:22
  Speaker 11: I mean our supervisor. I put him on crew and
• 37:26
  Speaker 11: he liable to work one day and not work next
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  Speaker 11: two days. And that would really crawl onto my skin.
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  Speaker 11: And I really stayed mad at him for that. We
• 37:34
  Speaker 11: started butting heads kind of that. I mean I was
• 37:36
  Speaker 11: mad with him, and I said, look, you got to
• 37:38
  Speaker 11: take up some responsibility. Go to work, do your job.
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  Speaker 11: You play after you do your work. That comes later.
• 37:46
  Speaker 11: So that's kind of when we started, you know, kind
• 37:48
  Speaker 11: of drifting away a little bit.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: You know, Lee's parents and King's parents were friends when
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: the two boys were growing up. So Glenn Clark knows
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: Kane's story too. Tell me more about Lee and Kan's relationship.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Have they been friends all their lives?
• 38:09
  Speaker 11: Yes, ma'am. When there they were months apart, and they've
• 38:14
  Speaker 11: been knowing each other all their lives. All their lives.
• 38:17
  Speaker 11: They raised up with him and kids right on up.
• 38:21
  Speaker 11: I think after we, I don't know, six seven years old,
• 38:26
  Speaker 11: we kind of moved away from them. But they've been
• 38:29
  Speaker 11: long life friends.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Even though the boys grew up together and had been
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: close all their lives, Glenn no longer approved of his
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: son's friendship with King.
• 38:41
  Speaker 11: Him and Kan were running around together, and uh, I
• 38:46
  Speaker 11: know Kan's mother brought Kane over to our house one
• 38:49
  Speaker 11: day and dropped him out, and uh, when Kin got
• 38:53
  Speaker 11: out of the car, he was cussing his mama, saying
• 38:56
  Speaker 11: some words that I wouldn't tolerate. And I told Lee,
• 39:01
  Speaker 11: I said, look, you need to quit hanging around whatever.
• 39:04
  Speaker 11: Boy right there, I said. He gonna get you in trouble.
• 39:06
  Speaker 11: I said, he ain't no good. He's no good.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Lee's brother Jimmy, has a slightly different perspective. He thinks
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Lee and King were equally bad for one another.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Lee came, were real close. Uh.
• 39:24
  Speaker 7: I don't want to say the wrong thing about nobody,
• 39:27
  Speaker 7: but they wouldn't best for each other, I'd say, I mean,
• 39:33
  Speaker 7: there was always in the mischief, I guess which I
• 39:35
  Speaker 7: was right along with him most of time.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: What kind of mischief?
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: What kind of trouble did you guys get into?
• 39:41
  Speaker 6: Oh?
• 39:42
  Speaker 7: Just kids stuff doing stuff we get strolling my dad's
• 39:46
  Speaker 7: tools everywhere, you know, stuff like that. Stuff we weren't
• 39:50
  Speaker 7: supposed to be doing things we shouldn't be doing to
• 39:54
  Speaker 7: I'd call it terrorizing the neighborhood, a little bit like
• 39:58
  Speaker 7: we might find dad amma or something said on somebody's
• 40:00
  Speaker 7: ports just from funny giggles. Wasn't nothing funny about it.
• 40:04
  Speaker 7: But we didn't realize that then when we was kids.
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: Not all of what Lee and his friends were up
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: to was just kids stuff.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Though.
• 40:17
  Speaker 9: Now, have I told you how bad I was with
• 40:20
  Speaker 9: distilling those sus and them? I really told you how
• 40:22
  Speaker 9: bad I was with that stuff.
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: How mad were you?
• 40:27
  Speaker 9: Okay, let me tell you. Look, I wasn't.
• 40:30
  Speaker 15: It wasn't.
• 40:30
  Speaker 9: I just still that same from James, Mama and Diddy.
• 40:35
  Speaker 9: I didn't just steal that say from them. Look, I
• 40:37
  Speaker 9: still stuff from my own Diddy, I still stuff from
• 40:40
  Speaker 9: my step dad, my mom's h ex husband. Now, because
• 40:44
  Speaker 9: I thought all that stuff was cold, I was just
• 40:47
  Speaker 9: still the stuff in people all around the neighborhood. People
• 40:49
  Speaker 9: didn't live in the neighborhoods with me. I thought I
• 40:52
  Speaker 9: was just here. I thought I just do whatever I
• 40:54
  Speaker 9: wanted to do. Wasn't thinking about the time people were
• 40:58
  Speaker 9: putting in hours, they were sleeping every week to get
• 41:02
  Speaker 9: this money, to buy these things, to boot in their house,
• 41:05
  Speaker 9: to give their families, to buy stuff for them. I
• 41:08
  Speaker 9: wasn't think about none of that stuff, didn't it. None
• 41:10
  Speaker 9: of that stuff mean nothing to me. I mean, yeah,
• 41:12
  Speaker 9: when I was Yeah, that's as far as it goes. Yeah,
• 41:15
  Speaker 9: that's the worst things I've ever did. I was the
• 41:17
  Speaker 9: thing when I was a kid, I was an idiot.
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: Lee's dad told us that for a while, Lee and
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: his friends had been able to get away with what
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: they were doing.
• 41:31
  Speaker 11: Yes, Detective Battles and some of these other detectives and
• 41:36
  Speaker 11: all they had called on that they knew these boys,
• 41:42
  Speaker 11: that Lee and Kane were doing this, but they could
• 41:45
  Speaker 11: not catch them.
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: Lee's brother, Jamie says, it wasn't just what Lee was
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: doing that caused him to be a person of interest
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: for local law enforcement. It was also what Lee was saying.
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: So you think that Stallas Battles problem with Lee was
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: not so much much the bad kid's stuff he was doing,
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: but his like disrespect.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, disrespect towards the law. Yeah, I mean was disrespectful
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: to and what.
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: Did what did your brother? What are some of the
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: things that your brother would have said to him?
• 42:16
  Speaker 11: Oh?
• 42:16
  Speaker 7: Well, I mean look, they'd walk the cops would walk up,
• 42:19
  Speaker 7: and he'd be like I smelled baking. I smell that,
• 42:24
  Speaker 7: he'd be what the hell you want?
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: Big? What you what you doing?
• 42:29
  Speaker 7: And uh, you know just kind of tell him, uh,
• 42:32
  Speaker 7: you got a problem and walk off from him. Uh.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: There wasn't nothing they could do.
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: There was one officer in particular that Lee often had
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: run ins with Floyd County Police, Sergeant Dallas battle.
• 42:50
  Speaker 9: That was a fact of what got me was the
• 42:53
  Speaker 9: way I felt him.
• 42:54
  Speaker 13: How did you talk to him?
• 42:56
  Speaker 9: I thought him Brew. He asked me about burgers and
• 43:00
  Speaker 9: stuff I was doing. I told him I ain't out
• 43:03
  Speaker 9: here good, no workers. But if I was, I wouldn't
• 43:05
  Speaker 9: let no stupid motherfucker lock you cat me? And how
• 43:11
  Speaker 9: you say it, that's the way I was gam That's
• 43:14
  Speaker 9: the way I would help.
• 43:15
  Speaker 11: How do you react to that?
• 43:16
  Speaker 9: Do you say me back? Oh, Dallas, Yeah, you sell me.
• 43:21
  Speaker 9: Maybe don't give me one day? Yeah, Hey, you got
• 43:27
  Speaker 9: me too, You got me good.
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: On the night Brian was shot, Sergeant Dallas Battle became
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: the lead investigator on the Brian bowling case. Right away,
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: he concluded that Brian's death had been an accidental, self
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: inflicted shooting, a game of Russian roulette in which the
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: odds hadn't gone in Brian's favor. But a few days
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: after the shooting, Sergeant Battle changed his mind and he
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: began to investigate Brian's death as a murder. Next time unproof.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I heard something about a pillow.
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: What did you hear about that?
• 44:10
  Speaker 11: Somebody told me that they found a pillar where it
• 44:13
  Speaker 11: was a pillow was used for a silence or something.
• 44:17
  Speaker 8: Mom had told him that somebody had put something in there,
• 44:19
  Speaker 8: and they said, we'll miss bowl, and the only way
• 44:21
  Speaker 8: we're going to be able to know that is if
• 44:23
  Speaker 8: we are a semispotting.
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: So you don't really know when you're learned about the
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: free birds or when they.
• 44:29
  Speaker 10: Were not may I don't remember. I want to say
• 44:33
  Speaker 10: it was probably after they had dug him back up
• 44:35
  Speaker 10: about the little stuff they had found in the cash
• 44:38
  Speaker 10: get and everything.
• 44:40
  Speaker 12: After the funeral, It's when it actually happened. We were
• 44:43
  Speaker 12: getting in the family car to leave to go to
• 44:45
  Speaker 12: the burial and they were screaming out the window and
• 44:49
  Speaker 12: I was trying to pull them out of the car.
• 44:50
  Speaker 12: We kind of everybody started fighting, you know.
• 44:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah, there was several people throwing punches. I don't know
• 44:56
  Speaker 7: who they were, Okay, I mean, it all happened so quick.
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