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Chuck & Buck 12-29 Hour 4: MMQB with Mike Holmgren and Hugh Millen · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: Grin and Hugh Millin.
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Speaker 2: Here's Chuck and Buck.
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Speaker 3: Ah Yes, nine o'clock hour arrives here on this Monday
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Speaker 3: live radio program. I mean as we react to the
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Speaker 3: Seahawks twenty seven ten went over the Carolina Panthers to
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Speaker 3: move them to thirteen and three on the season, but
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Speaker 3: they still have not secured the number one seed that
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Speaker 3: division championship, and they won't be able to do it
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Speaker 3: if they don't defeat the San Francisco forty nine Ers
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Speaker 3: this Saturday.
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Speaker 2: That's right.
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Speaker 3: They put out the schedule and the Seahawks and forty
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Speaker 3: nine Ers will be showcased on the national stage at
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Speaker 3: five o'clock on Saturday, and so we will finally learn
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Speaker 3: then if it will be the Seahawks are forty nine
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Speaker 3: ers celebrating as division champs, and the number one seed
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Speaker 3: throughout the NFC playoffs. Joining us now is Mike Homron.
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Speaker 3: Hugh Millon, of course, has been with it since eight
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Speaker 3: o'clock Monday morning. Quarterback continues, Good morning, coach, how was
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Speaker 3: your holiday? Did you get to you know, like everything
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Speaker 3: you wanted, like maybe a trampoline for the backyard or Lamborghini.
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Speaker 3: What did you get for Christmas this year?
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Speaker 2: Well, you know what, I got a Tommy Mohammad shirt.
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Speaker 2: Oh I want a real change at Yeah, Bety knows
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Speaker 2: what I like. You know, we kind of went easy
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Speaker 2: on it. We kind of went easy on the presence because, uh,
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Speaker 2: you know, we had we've taken all the kids. I'm
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Speaker 2: in sun Katia right now. We took all the kids
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Speaker 2: there the families here, So that was everyone's Christmas present
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Speaker 2: kind of all right, Well.
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Speaker 3: That doesn't mean that you don't deserve something. I mean,
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Speaker 3: you took them to sun Kadia.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. In fact, I deserve quite a lot
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Speaker 2: because my daughters made all the arrangements and uh, price
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Speaker 2: is no, there's no object. No, no, price didn't matter.
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Speaker 2: You know why because I paid for it.
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Speaker 3: Well it never does when you have to pay for it.
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Speaker 3: All right, Well, let's dive into this, uh, this situation
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Speaker 3: that the Seahawks find themselves in. So a win over Carolina,
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Speaker 3: it ends up on the scoreboard being convincing, but there
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Speaker 3: are a couple of hairy moments in there. So as
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Speaker 3: you come out of this victory, are you more impressed
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Speaker 3: with how dominant the defense was or concerned over the
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Speaker 3: offense being sluggish this close to crunch time?
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Speaker 2: Well, I think I'm a little bit more of the latter,
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Speaker 2: quite honestly. You know, I told you I was Katie.
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Speaker 2: And what they have here at this home is a
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Speaker 2: theater with beautiful comfortable seats. You can put, you know,
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Speaker 2: massage on the seats. And I'm watching the game by
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Speaker 2: myself in there, and I almost fell asleep it was
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Speaker 2: so bad by Carolina and their offense. And I'm sure
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Speaker 2: I don't know if you felt the same way, but
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Speaker 2: I'm looking at them going they have they can't do
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Speaker 2: anything yet at halftime it's three or three. And then
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Speaker 2: if it wasn't for there was a couple of key
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Speaker 2: things in the second half, otherwise the game would have
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Speaker 2: been relatively close, I think. But you got to give
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Speaker 2: the Seaux defense credit. But you know what we got
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Speaker 2: to see because this is a big one coming up
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Speaker 2: and the forty nine ers can put points on the board.
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Speaker 4: Well, Mike, let's drill down on that. You said there's
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Speaker 4: key things. What was key to you in the second half,
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Speaker 4: and then as you're expressing your concern, maybe amplify your
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Speaker 4: thoughts on what concerns you.
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, there was a couple of turnovers in there,
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Speaker 2: Hugh that led to points for the Hawks and the
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Speaker 2: short fields. You know, they started on the twenty one
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Speaker 2: of Carolina's twenty one to get one. But then Carolina
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Speaker 2: somehow the game was still relatively close seventeen to ten
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Speaker 2: after Young made that run in getting him touchdown. But
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Speaker 2: then and then it got to be third and twenty one.
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Speaker 2: You guys, remember the play third and twenty one. They're
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Speaker 2: just handing the ball and they just throw a little
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Speaker 2: They're doing something just to I forget the exact play,
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Speaker 2: but just to kind of get in a little better
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Speaker 2: field position to punt the ball, and the corner for
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Speaker 2: Carolina does that crazy grabs a face mask to get
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Speaker 2: a penalty, and then they go on to kick another
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Speaker 2: field goal to make it twenty to ten, and then
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Speaker 2: at that point it was over. But prior to that
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Speaker 2: those there were a couple of key plays. You know
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Speaker 2: that they fumbled right after getting the ball on one play,
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Speaker 2: so Carolina, you know, they played it close and I
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Speaker 2: don't know, it's just the play selection, Hugh, and I
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Speaker 2: just didn't like how they ran their offense in that game.
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Speaker 2: And I know this Yawks are on defense, but they
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Speaker 2: didn't even give themselves a chance in my opinion, right, Coach.
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Speaker 5: I'm gonna just ask this because it seems absurd to me.
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Speaker 5: But you can either shoot it down or you can
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Speaker 5: tell me that whoever thinks this is right. I mean,
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Speaker 5: I heard a couple of different people say that when
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Speaker 5: people were criticizing the Seahawks offense, which has been stagnant,
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Speaker 5: to some degree compared to what they're ceiling is what
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Speaker 5: they were showed they're capable of. But I heard a
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Speaker 5: couple of people say, well, I think that maybe they're
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Speaker 5: just saving stuff, right the playoffs are coming up, big
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Speaker 5: game against the Niners, they're just saving stuff, Like Clint
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Speaker 5: Kubiak's not calling their best plays because they didn't think
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Speaker 5: they needed it against the Panthers. That to me seems absurd.
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Speaker 5: Is that ever something that would happen in an NFL offense?
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Speaker 2: You know, Bucky, I agree with you, that's absurd. You're
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Speaker 2: playing the game. It's a close ball game. You're playing
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Speaker 2: the game to win. You're not holding anything back. You
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Speaker 2: know you would, you would studied it all week. These
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Speaker 2: are the players that are going to work. These are
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Speaker 2: the plays that you get US points. No, I don't.
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Speaker 2: I don't buy that one at all. So that's probably
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Speaker 2: why I'm not. I mean, they've had a great season
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Speaker 2: and they're going to go in the playoffs. I picked
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Speaker 2: them to go to the super Bowl, honestly, but there's
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Speaker 2: a little hesitation for me now because of what I'm
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Speaker 2: seeing from the offense at times.
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Speaker 3: Mike Comeran Hugh Millan with US It's Monday morning, quarterback
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Speaker 3: here as we react to weight twenty seven to ten
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Speaker 3: win over the Carolina Panthers in the penultimate game of
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Speaker 3: the regular season yesterday in Charlotte. All right, So, how
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Speaker 3: would you describe Sam Darnold's play right now as we
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Speaker 3: get ready for a huge game on Saturday and get
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Speaker 3: ready for the playoffs afterwards. How does Mike Holmbern think
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Speaker 3: Sam's playing right now?
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Speaker 2: Well, he has his us and downs. You know, I'm
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Speaker 2: you know this, I said it from the beginning. I'm
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Speaker 2: in his corner. I think he you know, you get
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Speaker 2: to this point where your record is great, and it's
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Speaker 2: a lot of it's because of how he has played.
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Speaker 2: The other things that make people nervous, of the turnovers
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Speaker 2: and things like that. It usually happens when he gets
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Speaker 2: really rushed and the offensive line has done a poor
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Speaker 2: job in protecting him. But I've got a lot of
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Speaker 2: confidence in him, and when they've needed to score, really
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Speaker 2: needed to score, he's come through for them. In my opinion,
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Speaker 2: I would like to see them spread the ball around
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Speaker 2: just a little bit. Cup got one catch yesterday. Other
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Speaker 2: than the tight end and Jigma, you know, the receiver,
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Speaker 2: they don't catch any passes, and so I think you
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Speaker 2: would be more effective, maybe get the ball out of
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Speaker 2: his hands quicker at times if you involve more people
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Speaker 2: in the passing game. But you can't argue with what
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Speaker 2: Injigma's done and Donald he looks, he's good, you know.
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Speaker 2: I just people worry about the turnovers. It's because sometimes
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Speaker 2: the pressure and the protection breaks down quickly, and then
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Speaker 2: how he handles that at times, like any quarterback would,
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Speaker 2: I think, uh kind of gets people thinking differently.
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Speaker 4: Mike, you said a moment ago that the play calling
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Speaker 4: seemed to have exasperated you. Tell us what now, you
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Speaker 4: just mentioned a few things. There is there anything else
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Speaker 4: from a play calling standpoint that's on your mind?
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Speaker 2: Well, you know what, you know, I was referring to more.
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Speaker 2: I was referring to Carolina's because no, no, no, that was
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Speaker 2: a frustration, you know. You know, look at I'm watching
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Speaker 2: the game, and I'm rooting for the Seahawks, and I
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Speaker 2: want to see him well and I want to see him win,
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Speaker 2: but I'm also looking for good offensive play, and you know,
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Speaker 2: I'm putting myself in a position sometimes of course, because
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Speaker 2: I never made any mistakes. You guys know that. So
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Speaker 2: you know, okay, so but you know they how they
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Speaker 2: did it. They had their longest pass play was eight
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Speaker 2: yards well into the fourth quarter. You know, I mean,
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Speaker 2: it's nuts. I'm going, what is this? You know, maybe
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Speaker 2: maybe I don't know their talent, I don't know their
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Speaker 2: roster well enough, and maybe they're hurting that way. But
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Speaker 2: from the Seahawks perspective, no, I don't have any grap
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Speaker 2: with the play calling. From their end, I think, well,
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Speaker 2: it was interesting to me was how they've played sharbon
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Speaker 2: A and Walker and Charbone had a light He did
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Speaker 2: a great job. He had the lights out game in
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Speaker 2: my opinion, and they're still doing that. They both get
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Speaker 2: to almost the same amount of carrieres and so it's
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Speaker 2: working for them, and so that to me, I thought
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Speaker 2: that was a great job by them play calling.
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Speaker 4: Well, we'll hit more on the running backs, because I
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Speaker 4: think that's an interesting topic. But let me share with
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Speaker 4: you a critique that I had of Clint Kobiak's play
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Speaker 4: calling that I really discovered when I watched the coaches
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Speaker 4: tape they all twenty two, and it was that Mike
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Speaker 4: Jackson and j. C. Horn, the corners for Carolina were
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Speaker 4: squatting just aggressively just sitting on all the short and
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Speaker 4: intermediate routes even though they had no safety over the top.
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Speaker 4: And I can I'll just tell quickly a football lesson
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Speaker 4: I learned Ernie's when I played for Ernie's Zmpzi, who
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Speaker 4: had been the offensive coordinator for the Chargers during Eric Coriel,
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Speaker 4: like when they're they were thrown for four hundred yards
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Speaker 4: when nobody was thrown for three hundred. And I asked Ernie,
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Speaker 4: why is nine eighty nine on their game plan on first?
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Speaker 4: You know, on third and three, third and medium, third
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Speaker 4: and long every single week? Nine eighty nine is always
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Speaker 4: on the game plan and nine eighty nine checking buck
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Speaker 4: nine routes are our go routes. So nine eighty nine
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Speaker 4: would be double go with this with the eight route
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Speaker 4: would be a seam read down the middle MIC And
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Speaker 4: so I why you nine eighty nine is always on
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Speaker 4: every section he goes because if we call the go route,
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Speaker 4: even if we don't get it, then a we might
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Speaker 4: get a pass interference, we might get a completion. But
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Speaker 4: let's say we get an incompletion, we still then come
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Speaker 4: back the next time. And if we throw something in
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Speaker 4: front of the corner, but the corners loosened off because
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Speaker 4: we threw the go route. Now we're one for two.
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Speaker 4: He says, what do you think fifty percent does in
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Speaker 4: third down? Where do you think that ranks well near
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Speaker 4: the top. Yeah, he probably lead the league if you're
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Speaker 4: fifty percent. And that theory could be applied to first
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Speaker 4: time as well.
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Speaker 6: Mike.
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Speaker 4: I just thought there was they should have called some
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Speaker 4: go routes there. They had a lot of quarter quarter
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Speaker 4: a half with quarters to the side. They didn't do that.
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Speaker 4: You know, the Mills concept with the with the post,
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Speaker 4: the double post or anything that the quarters beaters that
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Speaker 4: they've hit earlier in the season when they got those coverages,
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Speaker 4: Why weren't they trying that? I thought that they they
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Speaker 4: didn't try and dial up some home runs either up
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Speaker 4: the sideline on the go routes or on the double
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Speaker 4: post to beat that quarters on that side of the field.
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Speaker 2: Well, I couldn't agree with you more. I think. Uh,
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Speaker 2: then that tells me. I mean, Donald studied a film
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Speaker 2: like you do. But earnyer tame Beas, first of all,
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Speaker 2: was one of the great coaches offensive coordinators ever, and
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Speaker 2: so if he said it, there was there was a
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Speaker 2: reason he said it, And the reason is exactly what
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Speaker 2: how we explained it, and that's that's a valuable tool
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Speaker 2: in your play calling arsenal. And you got to let
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Speaker 2: them know you're going to do that. You got to
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Speaker 2: let the defense know you're going to do that. And
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Speaker 2: it's not the ball is out of his hands. You know,
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Speaker 2: it's a five five step drop. Most of the time
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Speaker 2: the ball's out of his hands, you're not risking anybody's
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Speaker 2: getting sacked, and it really loosens up the defense. So
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Speaker 2: if you saw that on film, you know, maybe they
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Speaker 2: come I hope they're listening. Maybe they come out and
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Speaker 2: try it a little bit. You saw the forty nine
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Speaker 2: ers do it. I watched a little bit of that game,
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Speaker 2: and they hit that tight end right down the middle
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Speaker 2: on exactly that type of play, you know, where they're
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Speaker 2: crowding the outside and the safety's went a little wider
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Speaker 2: boom they hit them, And so I would hope that
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Speaker 2: we'd do that.
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Speaker 5: Coach, Is there any chance that Charbonay starts getting more
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Speaker 5: carries than ken Walker based on just the fact that
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Speaker 5: he had probably his best game of his career. I mean,
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Speaker 5: at least as far as when he's he is a
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Speaker 5: backup coming into the game and he ends up getting
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Speaker 5: a couple more carries and it was far more productive.
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Speaker 5: Is there anything about the way that he's running that
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Speaker 5: you're like, nah, I think we're going to go with
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Speaker 5: that a little bit more. Was it the ken Walker
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Speaker 5: just didn't have as many good opportunities or seems to run.
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Speaker 2: Through I think, you know, that's such a good question, Buck.
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Speaker 2: I think that the personalities factor into this a little bit.
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Speaker 2: And you say, well, that makes no sense. But you know,
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Speaker 2: I don't know if if one guy all of a
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Speaker 2: sudden gets a little bit in the tank because he's
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Speaker 2: not getting his carries or whatever. Sharboney came in with
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Speaker 2: as the second guy, and now that he had more
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Speaker 2: yards and had a really productive game. I don't think
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Speaker 2: they're going to change too much play both of them
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Speaker 2: because we've seen Walker pop things too. But there's different
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Speaker 2: styles and and you see ken Walker every once in
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Speaker 2: a while he'll you know, we talked about it before
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Speaker 2: he goes to one side, goes to the other, and
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Speaker 2: then all of a sudden he's jumping around and he
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Speaker 2: gets the he loses the yard. You never see Charbonay
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Speaker 2: do that. Ever, he's going to hit the hole and
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Speaker 2: in that style of offense that's out of a running game.
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Speaker 2: You know, the zone, the zone blocking schemes. That's what
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Speaker 2: the backs, all the backs I saw at Denver, that's
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Speaker 2: how they played. They hit it, cut boom, and that's
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Speaker 2: how Shardonay plays. But I don't think they're gonna mess
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Speaker 2: with how they're doing it. He who hits it? Yeah,
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Gudd.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I know you're fine, Hugh. I want you
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Speaker 3: to respond to that as well, because I mean, you're
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Speaker 3: a pro Walker guy. I'm a pro Walker host. I've
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Speaker 3: been all about getting ken Walker established. But I wrote
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Speaker 3: down in my notes yesterday, I don't think ken Walker
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Speaker 3: has run where the play's been designed all day long.
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Speaker 3: I'm not sure that he did. I think he jumped
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Speaker 3: out of the play every single time, and I'm sure
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Speaker 3: I'm sure he had terrible blocking in front of him.
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Speaker 3: But I thought he was very guilty Hugh yesterday of
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Speaker 3: just trying to improvise every time he put his hands
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Speaker 3: on the ball.
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Speaker 4: Well, I watched every play, you know, the end zone
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Speaker 4: copy on the sideline copy, and I think one of
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Speaker 4: the things Mike that might have influenced him early in
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Speaker 4: the game, he had to playoff right tackle and it
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Speaker 4: was jammed up and he started to go back to
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Speaker 4: the inside to his left, there's a defender who was
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Speaker 4: coming at him. He had to lose ground and at
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Speaker 4: that point you say, stop and go what in the
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Speaker 4: hell is that running back doing. But he got to
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Speaker 4: the left edge again, the play was off a right tackle.
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Speaker 4: He gets to the left edge, always to the left
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Speaker 4: side land he gets sixteen yards on that play. Well,
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Speaker 4: everybody says, oh hallelujah. You know, and and I'm not
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Speaker 4: in his head, but I can make an inference that
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Speaker 4: that might have influenced his thinking throughout the rest of
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Speaker 4: the game, because there were you know, there were there
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Speaker 4: were you know, I would say three, four, maybe five
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Speaker 4: times where where he could have hit the hole where
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Speaker 4: it was designed to be. Not that there was great
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Speaker 4: yards there, but maybe just you know, jam it up
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Speaker 4: in there. I agree if you're grading him. And then
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Speaker 4: he had that, you know, on the interception, he had
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Speaker 4: a relatively weak past block. You know, it was not
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Speaker 4: his finest game. But I think sometimes, Mike, when you
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Speaker 4: see a guy make a big play off script the
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Speaker 4: way I described, do you think that that influences them like, oh, hey,
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Speaker 4: I can. I can take take this ball wherever I
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Speaker 4: want because I can get sixteen yards.
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Speaker 2: Again absolutely, I mean they say, well, how can you
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Speaker 2: be critical of me on that play when I gained
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Speaker 2: sixteen yards and he had. There's a point to that
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Speaker 2: because he has the ability to do that. I don't,
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Speaker 2: you know, not many backs can do what he did there,
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Speaker 2: you know, but it reminds me of Sean Alexander who
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Speaker 2: was with me, who was a great runner and really
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Speaker 2: a great runner. And then we get down into the
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Speaker 2: red zone and he was he liked to score touchdowns.
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Speaker 2: They all do, but he really liked to score touchdowns.
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Speaker 2: So he'd jump around and do anything he thought he
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Speaker 2: could do. And there were times when I just needed
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Speaker 2: two yards. I didn't need seventeen. So I tell hasseback,
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Speaker 2: I say, tell him not to around, tell him to
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Speaker 2: hit the hole for me. And so, you know, there
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Speaker 2: are times when I'd like to see Walker do that
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Speaker 2: instead of taking in his mind I'm gonna make twenty
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Speaker 2: every time. Yeah, you know, and I think this it's hard.
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Speaker 2: I mean, he's really a good runner, he's a good back,
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Speaker 2: but they're different styles and we saw it, I think yesterday.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure, you're right, coach, and I think he
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Speaker 3: probably feels the same way.
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Speaker 2: I think.
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Speaker 3: You know, at this stage, game number seventeen, you're probably
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Speaker 3: just gonna go with the same plan that you've been using,
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Speaker 3: and Walker's your number one guy. But I do think
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Speaker 3: there's going to be a quicker leash because what we
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Speaker 3: saw to Charbonay yesterday was just more effective than when
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Speaker 3: Ken Walker was running the football. And I'm a pro
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Speaker 3: Walker guy, but Charbonnay was just the better running back
18:46
Speaker 3: yesterday in my opinion. Anyway, all right, we got more
18:49
Speaker 3: with coach, we got more with Hewit's Monday morning quarterback.
18:52
Speaker 3: We certainly have a big game coming up on Saturday,
18:55
Speaker 3: so we'll get some early thoughts from a coach on
18:58
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19:03
Speaker 3: Carolina takes over.
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Speaker 4: Got a handoff to Hubbard, trusta ricorrect.
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Speaker 3: Loose to the football. Ain't Seattle's cutting, Seahawks are running
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Speaker 3: with it.
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Speaker 6: Lawrence, Texas.
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Speaker 3: I didn't stand, didn't stand, sadly yeah, but still forced fumble,
19:24
Speaker 3: fumble recovery set them up on the doors step DeMarcus Lawrence,
19:28
Speaker 3: another big game the poll bowler. DeMarcus Lawrence Seahawks went
19:32
Speaker 3: over the Carolina Panthers twenty seven to ten, thirteen and
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Speaker 3: three on the season, with a chance to go fourteen
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Speaker 3: and three this Saturday when they faced the San Francisco
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Speaker 3: forty nine Ers in Santa Clara. Everything's on the line,
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Speaker 3: the number one seed in the NFC playoffs, the division championship,
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Speaker 3: home field advantaged throughout the postseason, the free will of man.
19:55
Speaker 3: Everything is on the line for this game on the
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Speaker 3: Saturday night, and we got our experts here, you Millan
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Speaker 3: and Mike Holmgren to break it down on a Monday
20:05
Speaker 3: morning quarterback. So, coach, when you think about this game,
20:09
Speaker 3: this matchup with the forty nine ers, what's the first
20:11
Speaker 3: thing that hits you?
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Speaker 2: What a great game. I'm just saying, I'm really looking
20:16
Speaker 2: forward to seeing it because you have two teams. It's
20:20
Speaker 2: kind of unbelievable. It's like when the forty nine ers,
20:22
Speaker 2: excuse me, when the Seahawks played the Rams, that division,
20:26
Speaker 2: the whole division. It's so close, and now so much
20:29
Speaker 2: is writing on it, you know, the division title, first
20:33
Speaker 2: round by those types of things, and so plus it's
20:37
Speaker 2: your rivals, it's everything is there. It's just set up
20:41
Speaker 2: perfectly I think the TV people are very, very excited
20:44
Speaker 2: about this. Mike.
20:46
Speaker 4: I'd like to get your thoughts on Brock Purdy because
20:49
Speaker 4: I think it's an interesting just development that they have
20:55
Speaker 4: had down there in the sense that they draft trade
20:58
Speaker 4: Lance number three. Overall all, they spent two number ones
21:01
Speaker 4: to climb up to get him, and he was a
21:04
Speaker 4: big dude that can run, strong arm, what have you.
21:08
Speaker 4: And yet Kyle Shanahan didn't need to coach him for
21:12
Speaker 4: very long before he just gave up on him and
21:15
Speaker 4: trade him for a mid round pick to the Cowboys
21:18
Speaker 4: in favor of Rock Party mister irrelevant, who's shorter, slower,
21:24
Speaker 4: much weaker arm. So there, there's got to be something
21:28
Speaker 4: in there. I mean, I certainly obviously have my ideas,
21:31
Speaker 4: but I would love to hear from you. Why would
21:34
Speaker 4: a coach is accomplished as Kyle Shanahan go with a
21:39
Speaker 4: Rock Party to be his franchise quarterback, give him a
21:41
Speaker 4: two hundred and fifty million dollar contract and all that
21:44
Speaker 4: when you see some of the limitations with him physically.
21:49
Speaker 2: Well, I think you know what goes to show you
21:53
Speaker 2: is that you have quarterbacks are rated on the things
21:57
Speaker 2: you mentioned. You look at that first rank, maneuverability, accuracy,
22:03
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. But then the tough part
22:07
Speaker 2: to evaluate, and you see it. You see it every
22:10
Speaker 2: year with different teams and guys who are drafted high that.
22:15
Speaker 2: But there's something missing. You know. It's not he doesn't
22:19
Speaker 2: compute properly. He's got the tools, but he doesn't compute properly,
22:23
Speaker 2: whereas Rock Purdy I think computes perfectly. I think he
22:27
Speaker 2: really does that. And for a coach like Shanahan who
22:31
Speaker 2: is coach quarterbacks and offense his life, his entire life,
22:35
Speaker 2: and me I liked it too, that there's an attraction there.
22:39
Speaker 2: And then when you put him in the game what
22:41
Speaker 2: he has done. Okay, you know they decided to make
22:44
Speaker 2: the decision. Let's say he goes in and it doesn't
22:48
Speaker 2: work it for whatever reason, it doesn't work. Now you
22:52
Speaker 2: go another direction. But it has worked with him. You've
22:55
Speaker 2: seen it. You saw it yesterday and you see it.
22:59
Speaker 2: You know he's accurate, he makes good decisions, his teammates
23:02
Speaker 2: love him. He can run. No, it's so they've hit
23:06
Speaker 2: it and you don't always get to hit it. Joe Montana,
23:10
Speaker 2: if you remember he didn't start until his third year, right,
23:14
Speaker 2: you know that Steve de Berg. They had some guys
23:16
Speaker 2: in there and then Joe you know now, but all
23:20
Speaker 2: of a sudden you got the guy for a long time,
23:23
Speaker 2: in fact, one of the best ever. So it's an
23:26
Speaker 2: interesting thing. Quarterbacks are an interesting thing. You don't always
23:29
Speaker 2: hit the ones you think you're gonna had on. Yeah,
23:31
Speaker 2: quarterbacks are weird. Yeah, around so weird. Coach.
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Speaker 5: I'm going to ask you something that I did ask you,
23:40
Speaker 5: and and surprisingly, for the first time of my life,
23:43
Speaker 5: it was something that he hadn't really thought of. Uh,
23:46
Speaker 5: so mission accomplished by me. I'm when you're playing a
23:50
Speaker 5: division foe like they are going to have here, obviously
23:53
Speaker 5: you play them twice a year. Is it, in your experience,
23:57
Speaker 5: was an advantage an advantage for you as the offensive guy,
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Speaker 5: or did you feel like the second time you played
24:04
Speaker 5: somebody it's advantage for the defensive minded guy.
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Speaker 2: Oh that's a good question, Bucket. I think it's I
24:11
Speaker 2: always saw if I the more I knew a team,
24:15
Speaker 2: it was to my advantage. That's what I felt, And
24:18
Speaker 2: I'm sure they felt the same way. And you know,
24:20
Speaker 2: you play the teams all the time, and you know
24:23
Speaker 2: the coaching staff and you know the personnel. Now it's
24:27
Speaker 2: important then to insert into the game and you will
24:30
Speaker 2: see it. We will see it next Saturday. You know.
24:33
Speaker 2: Things so maybe we haven't seen yet, or the other
24:36
Speaker 2: team hasn't seen yet, not a not a lot of things,
24:38
Speaker 2: but some things, you know. And so you know, I
24:42
Speaker 2: remember when I was at the forty nine ers, we
24:44
Speaker 2: played the Rams in the championship game, and that was
24:47
Speaker 2: the fourth game, fourth time we played them that year.
24:51
Speaker 2: We played them in preseason, we played two games in
24:54
Speaker 2: the regular season, and then we played them in the
24:56
Speaker 2: championship game. And I was going, you know, I was
24:58
Speaker 2: new to the forty nine ers. I going, well, this
25:00
Speaker 2: is different now, but we've known him pretty well, and
25:03
Speaker 2: so I think it's I always looked at it as
25:06
Speaker 2: that was a good thing for me if I knew
25:08
Speaker 2: the team and knew kind of what their tendencies were.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
25:11
Speaker 3: I've heard about this my entire life. I've heard it
25:13
Speaker 3: all season long that Mike McDonald is like saving stuff
25:17
Speaker 3: and spreading out stuff that he's saving all season long.
25:20
Speaker 3: How on earth are you able to do that? Can
25:22
Speaker 3: you play sixteen games in the National Football League trying
25:25
Speaker 3: to win every single one of them? Because we know
25:27
Speaker 3: every week's a war in the NFL. How do you
25:31
Speaker 3: save stuff for a certain team or a certain game
25:34
Speaker 3: or a certain situation.
25:35
Speaker 2: Coach, you know, Chuck, you know. It reminds me of
25:39
Speaker 2: when you hear coach speak. A guy gets to the
25:41
Speaker 2: podium and he says all this stuff and you leave
25:43
Speaker 2: and you go, what did he say? What's what's what's
25:45
Speaker 2: you talking about? I don't understand this. It's it's to me,
25:48
Speaker 2: it's writers speak, Okay, you know, talking about Mike, Mike
25:53
Speaker 2: McDonald and then how how he does stuff? And oh,
25:57
Speaker 2: this is going to be a good story because I
25:59
Speaker 2: know saving stuff. So it comes out that way and
26:02
Speaker 2: then people catch on. I don't believe the first second.
26:06
Speaker 2: He's calling the game and he's doing what he has
26:08
Speaker 2: to do to win that game, and you know, he
26:11
Speaker 2: might have some things in his arsenal he hasn't called yet,
26:14
Speaker 2: but he's certainly not saving things for the opportunity of
26:18
Speaker 2: maybe in the NFC Championship game. No, he got to
26:22
Speaker 2: get there. You got to get there, and then you
26:25
Speaker 2: do what you have to do.
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Speaker 4: So, Mike, what are some matchups or some areas that
26:31
Speaker 4: you anticipate being important? I think it's interesting that the
26:36
Speaker 4: forty nine ers. You know, for many years they could
26:40
Speaker 4: generate a pass rush with four guys, highlighted by Bosa,
26:44
Speaker 4: and they had some good guys on the inside as well,
26:47
Speaker 4: but they have really dried up in terms of their
26:51
Speaker 4: four man rush. I think they're second to the worst
26:55
Speaker 4: in terms of producing sacks in the league, and so
26:58
Speaker 4: they got to do it by scheme. Are there some
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Speaker 4: other things that you see as far as some matchup
27:05
Speaker 4: areas that intrigue you, well, I.
27:08
Speaker 2: Think one thing is the forty nine ers lost their
27:11
Speaker 2: two best defensive players, really good defensive players in Warner
27:16
Speaker 2: and Mosa, and so it doesn't surprise me that they're
27:20
Speaker 2: struggling a little bit that way, you know, but they
27:23
Speaker 2: are an aggressive group. As far as matchups, I don't
27:27
Speaker 2: think I wouldn't go into too many matchups. But what
27:31
Speaker 2: I would do for this game is that the forty
27:34
Speaker 2: nine ers are going to have a plan to try
27:37
Speaker 2: and take Enigma away and it's hard to do. It's
27:41
Speaker 2: hard to do even when you're trying. It's hard to do.
27:44
Speaker 2: But that should open up some other things. So in
27:47
Speaker 2: the preparation and thinking about how I'm going to do this,
27:51
Speaker 2: that's what I focus on just a little bit more
27:53
Speaker 2: on the preparation, knowing I'm going to throw the ball
27:56
Speaker 2: at in Jigma, but I'm going to get some other
27:58
Speaker 2: guys involved. But as far as targeting a particular guy
28:03
Speaker 2: on their defense, I don't think. I don't think that's
28:05
Speaker 2: in the cards. I don't think they have those guys
28:08
Speaker 2: necessarily right now. And so I run my offense. I
28:13
Speaker 2: do what I have to do, but I trying to
28:15
Speaker 2: spread it around and again use the play action pass
28:18
Speaker 2: a lot, particularly after the game Sharbone had had last week.
28:22
Speaker 5: Uh, coach, is there anything Did you ever have a
28:24
Speaker 5: time when the offense was sputtering a little bit to
28:27
Speaker 5: start with in games and you just said, Okay, I'm
28:31
Speaker 5: gonna I'm gonna completely flip this thing around. Like maybe
28:33
Speaker 5: you're just like, we're not going to run the ball
28:36
Speaker 5: at all. We're just going and we're not even going
28:38
Speaker 5: to go just try to move the change. We're going
28:40
Speaker 5: to just take maybe a first couple of possessions and
28:42
Speaker 5: we're going to take a couple of shots and and
28:44
Speaker 5: try to get big chunk plays to maybe spark that
28:47
Speaker 5: thing and ignite the offense earlier in the game.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of a famous thing I did when
28:54
Speaker 2: we couldn't We couldn't run a lick, and I said
28:57
Speaker 2: during a game, I said that all the coaches everyone heard.
29:00
Speaker 2: That's it. We're throwing every play. And then all of
29:02
Speaker 2: a sudden, the line coach kind of gave me some
29:04
Speaker 2: static in the phone, and I told him in a
29:07
Speaker 2: nice way, I said, be quiet, we'll never do that.
29:09
Speaker 2: I'm gonna throw the ball. I don't want to hear
29:11
Speaker 2: from you. And then you know that, because because we
29:14
Speaker 2: needed to do something, what we were doing wasn't working,
29:19
Speaker 2: and I didn't see a way out other than okay,
29:22
Speaker 2: let's open this thing up and see if we can
29:24
Speaker 2: hit a couple of loosen things up. So I think
29:26
Speaker 2: that has to be and your you have to have
29:29
Speaker 2: a plan B. You have to have it ready, you know.
29:32
Speaker 2: And this game is going to be unbelievable on Saturday.
29:35
Speaker 2: It really is.
29:36
Speaker 3: I remember that time where Mike Homer was like, all right, Hasselbeck,
29:39
Speaker 3: the rest of the game left handed, We're only going
29:42
Speaker 3: to throw left handed, just to shake it up, just
29:44
Speaker 3: to catch them off guard. All right, I want to
29:47
Speaker 3: squeeze this in real quickly. We do have to go
29:50
Speaker 3: to break, but have how often in your career did
29:53
Speaker 3: you line up in victory formation losing by seventeen?
29:58
Speaker 2: Never ever? And it surprised me, And then it caught
30:04
Speaker 2: me off guard. Maybe it's because I was in that
30:06
Speaker 2: chair that I was massaging, and I was kind of
30:08
Speaker 2: sleepy at that point. What are they doing? What are
30:12
Speaker 2: they doing? But then I saw the coach on the
30:14
Speaker 2: sideline and I think the announcer told me what they
30:17
Speaker 2: were doing, So that was okay. But no, I had
30:20
Speaker 2: never done that. I hadn't seen it. You seen it?
30:23
Speaker 4: Uh No, I'm not seen it in the second half.
30:27
Speaker 3: Especially with time, yeah, time left on the clock for
30:30
Speaker 3: the other team to get the wall backed. It was
30:32
Speaker 3: it was interesting.
30:33
Speaker 2: No, uh yeah, all right, anyone getting hurt? They were
30:39
Speaker 2: looking ahead?
30:39
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true, Yes, they were.
30:40
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right. One last thing next Sports Radio ninety
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Speaker 3: three point three kJ R f M. Probably one last
30:51
Speaker 3: thing for coach Homegren here this morning. We got Hugh
30:55
Speaker 3: Millen here of course, Monday morning quarterback, our final segment.
30:58
Speaker 3: I usually go last than this segment, but I want
31:01
Speaker 3: to go first because we have not touched upon a
31:04
Speaker 3: something that happened in the game that I think is
31:06
Speaker 3: pretty significant, and I don't know if he wants to
31:08
Speaker 3: weigh in on this as well, but at the end
31:11
Speaker 3: of the first half, you want to talk about chaos football.
31:15
Speaker 3: I just got to get your reaction to this, coach
31:18
Speaker 3: and yours, Hugh as well. First of all, horrible officiating,
31:21
Speaker 3: I thought throughout the game, certainly on this drive, this
31:24
Speaker 3: particular drive, they missed a horse collar and a face
31:27
Speaker 3: mask on the same play.
31:28
Speaker 4: I don't know how you missed that.
31:30
Speaker 3: And then you add Sam have that pass that got
31:33
Speaker 3: deflected off of Brown's bicep, then dropped by Cup and
31:38
Speaker 3: then almost gets intercepted by the guy that deflected it,
31:42
Speaker 3: so that added to the chaos. Then Walker catches the
31:45
Speaker 3: ball and then drops it like he didn't drop the pass.
31:49
Speaker 3: He caught it and then drops it and said then
31:52
Speaker 3: we didn't know if he had the first down or not.
31:54
Speaker 3: And then time's ticking down and Mike for some reason
31:57
Speaker 3: doesn't want to use his timeouts ever anymore in the
32:00
Speaker 3: first half, so he's got three timeouts, he doesn't use
32:02
Speaker 3: any of them. Then it's fourth down and one and
32:05
Speaker 3: they they don't even have time to get Barner out there.
32:07
Speaker 3: Who's your normal sneak guy so Sam just sneaks it
32:10
Speaker 3: and then he's short, and then they can't challenge apparently
32:15
Speaker 3: either one of them in the situations. And now so
32:18
Speaker 3: seventeen seconds left on the clock, you had a short
32:21
Speaker 3: fire field goal. You thought at least attempt there that
32:25
Speaker 3: you could make with Myers, you end up coming away
32:27
Speaker 3: with nothing. And then to add to the chaos, Carolina
32:30
Speaker 3: gets the ball and decides, nah, we don't have a
32:33
Speaker 3: quarterback with a strong arm. We're not gonna throw a
32:35
Speaker 3: hail Mary. I mean, so you two makes sense of this?
32:39
Speaker 3: What should have been done in that situation? Coach to
32:41
Speaker 3: handle all of that muck and nonsense.
32:45
Speaker 2: Well, you know what, I'm glad have you settled down
32:49
Speaker 2: today since you saw that? Since no, apparently not. That's
32:53
Speaker 2: the most fired up I've heard you for in a
32:56
Speaker 2: long time. But no, you have a good point. It
32:59
Speaker 2: was crazy, and that was to my point in the
33:03
Speaker 2: when at half time I'm thinking, what in the world
33:06
Speaker 2: did we just see? And you know, I hate the
33:10
Speaker 2: Dutch Hughes button on the officiating, but it was really
33:13
Speaker 2: it was really ego. Come on, you got to see
33:16
Speaker 2: that that on the on those calls. That's the first thing.
33:20
Speaker 2: Then that one play that the big guy, it came
33:23
Speaker 2: off his helmet and then it came back.
33:25
Speaker 6: To him, and oh, you're right. I hadn't seen that
33:28
Speaker 6: in a long time.
33:29
Speaker 2: But to me, that was the perfect ending to a
33:33
Speaker 2: first half like we saw.
33:34
Speaker 6: It was the perfect ending.
33:37
Speaker 4: The cherry on the top well, I mean as far
33:40
Speaker 4: as coach McDonald and the time outs, that's there's a
33:43
Speaker 4: simple reason. I mean, he's just saving it so we
33:46
Speaker 4: can have six in the second half. I mean, but
33:51
Speaker 4: you know, I think the goat Herders had a really
33:54
Speaker 4: really bad day.
33:54
Speaker 2: Yeah.
33:55
Speaker 4: And you know, on a third down in their own
33:59
Speaker 4: territory airline, on their one touchdown drive, they throw a
34:02
Speaker 4: bubble screen and you you know, holding is more holding
34:07
Speaker 4: the closer yard to the ball. Uh And right at
34:10
Speaker 4: the point of attack you got Witherspoon. He gets yanked
34:14
Speaker 4: by his shoulder. He yanks is it's like a corkscrews him.
34:18
Speaker 4: He gets yanks so bad. And he was he was
34:20
Speaker 4: the guy who was gonna make the tackle. And how
34:23
Speaker 4: they don't miss how they missed that. I mean, if
34:25
Speaker 4: they call that now, you're gonna have it third and
34:28
Speaker 4: and and exceptionally long. You're probably gonna get a pun
34:31
Speaker 4: out of that. I mean, that was a seven point missed.
34:34
Speaker 2: Uh.
34:34
Speaker 4: I could go on and on with that. You're right,
34:36
Speaker 4: the whole sequence was a mess. But hey, speed, so
34:41
Speaker 4: they have fast eyes when they show up on Sunday.
34:44
Speaker 4: Guess what, that's what we're gonna get every single week.
34:47
Speaker 4: My trick Uck said, he was Chuck, calm down, you
34:52
Speaker 4: calm down, it's your turn.
34:55
Speaker 5: Go ahead, what's your one last thing talking about squeeze
34:58
Speaker 5: and things. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna go off
35:00
Speaker 5: on the officials. I'm just an ass playing and simple coach.
35:03
Speaker 5: I mean, and this is I think every team could
35:07
Speaker 5: probably say, well, if this happens, you're probably not going
35:10
Speaker 5: to go as far as you want in the playoffs.
35:12
Speaker 5: But it's a trend. There's a the idea of turning.
35:15
Speaker 2: The ball over.
35:16
Speaker 5: We just watched, you know, the Bears play last night,
35:19
Speaker 5: and the fact that they're sitting where they're sitting in
35:22
Speaker 5: the standings is in large part from taking the ball away.
35:25
Speaker 5: If this Seahawks team, who's a legitimate Super Bowl contender,
35:30
Speaker 5: they're they're up there, I think second in the NFL
35:33
Speaker 5: as far as scoring goes, and we know how good
35:36
Speaker 5: and dominant their defense can be. Is turnovers going to
35:40
Speaker 5: be the reason why the team does not get to
35:42
Speaker 5: the Super.
35:43
Speaker 2: Bowl or win it all? I think so, I think,
35:47
Speaker 2: supper Buck. I think turnovers are for years, turnovers usually
35:53
Speaker 2: determine what happens. We've gone through a couple of crazy
35:57
Speaker 2: games this season where was kind of the opposite, you know,
36:01
Speaker 2: but I think, I think when you had two really
36:04
Speaker 2: good teams playing against each other, although although we saw
36:08
Speaker 2: it it didn't work quite that way a couple of
36:10
Speaker 2: weeks ago, it turnovers will decide it. And that's that's
36:16
Speaker 2: that's my worry. I suppose you know, and so well,
36:22
Speaker 2: you know, it might be you might see it. You
36:24
Speaker 2: really might see it playing to the game on Saturday,
36:27
Speaker 2: because you got two really good teams too close, closely
36:30
Speaker 2: know each other. They're they've been playing the same way,
36:34
Speaker 2: and we'll see it on Saturday. But I think that
36:35
Speaker 2: will be the determining factor.
36:37
Speaker 5: I do.
36:37
Speaker 4: All right, here you.
36:38
Speaker 3: Get the last one last thing, question, what do you
36:41
Speaker 3: got for us?
36:42
Speaker 4: Well, you know, Seattle was nine to sixteen on third
36:45
Speaker 4: down fifty six percent. That's that's great, right, Like if
36:48
Speaker 4: that's all you knew, you would assume you had a
36:50
Speaker 4: big day, but Mike first downs there was twenty seven
36:54
Speaker 4: first downs, only six of which did Seattle have more
36:57
Speaker 4: than four yards, only ten of which of the twenty
37:00
Speaker 4: seventy they have more than three. On second downs, twenty
37:03
Speaker 4: two second downs, twelve of twenty two were eight or
37:07
Speaker 4: more yards to go. And that led to this stat
37:10
Speaker 4: with neutral downs Chuck and Buck being described as either
37:13
Speaker 4: first and ten or less or second and six or less.
37:18
Speaker 4: Those are neutral downs. Sam Donold passer rating Mike one
37:22
Speaker 4: hundred and eight on neutral downs, on non neutral downs
37:26
Speaker 4: fifty six. It was cut in half essentially. And so
37:31
Speaker 4: just talk to us about so much is said about
37:34
Speaker 4: about third down, but that kind of I don't know,
37:39
Speaker 4: call it futility, but in insufficiency on first and second
37:46
Speaker 4: down is a problem. How did you what was your
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Speaker 4: mindset about when you're having those type of bad first
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Speaker 4: downs and putting your team behind the behind the chains. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: I get I mentioned earlier. You go to plan B.
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Speaker 4: You know, if you won't go in and all of
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Speaker 4: a sudden it's not happening. You have a plan your
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Speaker 4: first fifteen or your first fifteen of the second half
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Speaker 4: or whatever it is, and it's not going the way
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Speaker 4: you want it to go. Then you either make adjustments
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Speaker 4: on the field with your alignement or or the running
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Speaker 4: backs you know, hit the hole whatever you're saying, to
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Speaker 4: make those adjustments to make it manageable. You know, now
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Speaker 4: to your point, initially nine out of sixteen on third down,
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Speaker 4: that's pretty good.
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Speaker 2: But that was hard doing it the hard way kind
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Speaker 2: of like you know, so you know, you make adjustments.
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Speaker 6: And be willing to change, be willing to.
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Speaker 2: Make those adjustments, and then at halftime, you know they've
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Speaker 2: come out to the second half in a lot of
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Speaker 2: games and done pretty well.
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Speaker 6: But I think I want can I end it? Check
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Speaker 6: on one last year?
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Speaker 2: Go ahead? I don't know if I don't know if
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Speaker 2: you guys were watching it as close as I was
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Speaker 2: in the in the massage chair.
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Speaker 6: But the guy that came on that looked like Sam Arnold.
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Speaker 6: Did you see him?
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Speaker 2: Yes?
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Speaker 5: I did, Yeah, stand Arnold?
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Speaker 6: Now yeah, no, stand Marmald.
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Speaker 2: We'll call himself Donald. You know he is now very
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Speaker 2: famous and can write his own ticket. Did you see
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Speaker 2: how much he enjoyed that? Oh he's the.
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Speaker 3: Guy Gingers are weird. That's quarterbacks and gingers typically Or.
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Speaker 2: I was watching I was watching the game, getting kind
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Speaker 2: of down in the dumps, and then this movie start
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Speaker 2: comes on.
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Speaker 6: I I love it.
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Speaker 3: Hey, Happy New Year to both of you. We'll talk
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Speaker 3: to you later on this week, and then of course
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Speaker 3: on Monday we get to recap this big game. So
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Speaker 3: thank you very much, gentlemen. Awesome as always, talk to
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Speaker 3: you soon.
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Speaker 4: All right, thanks so much having to your guys now.
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