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Two Ts Presents: Two Jersey Js: More Money, More Problems? · Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

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  Speaker 1: Hey guys, I'm Jackie Goldschneiner, I'm Essler, and we are
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  Speaker 1: two Jersey Jays and we have pretty juicy so for
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  Speaker 1: you today.
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  Speaker 2: I think that it's like the episode, in my mind
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  Speaker 2: is like one that I would want to talk about
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  Speaker 2: or hear about. I want to listen to this episode
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  Speaker 2: because I think it's there's so much to say about it.
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  Speaker 2: We're talking about money.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, we're talking about money, and since we are in
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  Speaker 1: the Housewives world, we're going.
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  Speaker 2: To start there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So I think that the Housewives have become synonymous
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  Speaker 1: with having a lot of money, but I don't think
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  Speaker 1: that that's actually so true.
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  Speaker 2: I think that part of the appeal of the Housewives,
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  Speaker 2: and as of viewer, I think I felt this way too,
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  Speaker 2: is watching women who you know, supposedly had it all
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  Speaker 2: a lot of that had to do with money, but
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  Speaker 2: also looks and you know, the perfect husbands and children
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  Speaker 2: blah blah blah, and then sort of watching their demise
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  Speaker 2: because I think we are so caught up in as
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  Speaker 2: a culture money and there's so much that affects us
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  Speaker 2: in terms of like our own self worth in terms
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  Speaker 2: of money. So I almost feel like the Housewives show
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  Speaker 2: that money doesn't buy happiness.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, but I originally thought that like all the housewives
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  Speaker 1: had a lot of money, and that is just absolutely
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  Speaker 1: not the case. And what I have found in recent
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  Speaker 1: years is that people who look like they have a
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  Speaker 1: ton of money a lot of times it's it's just
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  Speaker 1: a lot of spending of money that people don't necessarily have. Now, Listen,
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  Speaker 1: there are people on these shows that legit have a
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  Speaker 1: ton of money, and I have no I have no
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  Speaker 1: privy to anyone's bank accounts, so I'm just guessing. But
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  Speaker 1: if I had to guess, I would say that it's
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  Speaker 1: definitely like Lisa Vanderpom definitely rich, Kyle Rich right, Suntrack rich.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Candy, Yes, of course, yes. And then there are
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  Speaker 2: those of us who are not, you know, flying our
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  Speaker 2: own private jets and are I think comfortable with that
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  Speaker 2: and represent ourselves accurate? And I think there are those
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  Speaker 2: that cry to fake it and.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, well for documented news stories about many people.
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  Speaker 3: And I'll tell you who.
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  Speaker 1: I just in my head, it's so crazy to me
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  Speaker 1: that they don't have much money. Was this whole thing
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  Speaker 1: with cry and Kim. Now I didn't watch Atlanta when
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  Speaker 1: she was on it. I actually there's a few housewild shows.
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  Speaker 3: I don't watch.
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  Speaker 1: Atlanta's one of them, so I don't really know the
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  Speaker 1: people on there, but I know that Kim was on
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  Speaker 1: Atlanta Housewives for what five seasons, and then she had
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  Speaker 1: her own show for I think eight seasons.
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  Speaker 2: He wasn't party for the party, yes to watch that.
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  Speaker 2: I watched a little bit of it, and I definitely
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  Speaker 2: watched when Kim was on it and she was involved
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  Speaker 2: with that older guy. They called him back a daddy,
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  Speaker 2: big daddy daddy or something. And I mean, that's an
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  Speaker 2: interesting study right there.
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  Speaker 1: Right, I mean, she had an NFL contract where I
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  Speaker 1: date him billions of dollars also, and I mean they're broke.
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  Speaker 1: She's selling her wigs on eBay, So how do you
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  Speaker 1: go from all that income?
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  Speaker 2: Isn't it interesting? It's the thing, potentially I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: that brought her so much money, was representing herself as
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  Speaker 2: a rich woman, right, And that's the thing that is
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  Speaker 2: part of what made her so interesting, watching her in
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  Speaker 2: the biggest state, watching her dripping in diamonds, and so
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  Speaker 2: to keep that up. I'm not their financial advisor, but
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  Speaker 2: I guess she put forth too much effort in terms
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  Speaker 2: of like showing and being showy, and then she didn't
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  Speaker 2: have anything to back it up, or it all went
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  Speaker 2: away because she was so busy showing off her wealth.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I think a lot of people think that being on
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  Speaker 4: the show itself is going to bring you the kind
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  Speaker 4: of money that you're presenting, which you don't really have, right,
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  Speaker 4: But that really doesn't happen.
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  Speaker 1: It's very rare. I think to make enough money on
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  Speaker 1: this show that you can catch up to what you're presenting.
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  Speaker 1: You get what I'm saying and why and.
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  Speaker 2: The bigger picture, right, like why does it matter so much?
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  Speaker 1: Why does it matter? Well, I think it used to
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  Speaker 1: matter a lot more than it does now. I think
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  Speaker 1: it used to be that house I was were synonymous
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  Speaker 1: with having a lot of money, maybe not like billion,
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  Speaker 1: like not sudden money, but like living in a really
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  Speaker 1: big house, driving your range Rover, you know, occasionally flying
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  Speaker 1: out a private jet.
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  Speaker 2: Now I think it's different. It is different now, It
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  Speaker 2: definitely has changed. Having said that, I also see a
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  Speaker 2: lot of the housewives representing themselves as down to earth relatable.
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  Speaker 2: I don't have as much money as you guys do,
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  Speaker 2: and the women that are doing that have still beautiful lives.
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  Speaker 2: They may not live in a states with yachts and
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  Speaker 2: private jets, but they live in beautiful homes. They have enough,
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  Speaker 2: they have enough to you know, dress themselves up. And
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  Speaker 2: yet there's this whole I feel like, even just recently
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  Speaker 2: with Salt Lake City, that whole piece of it that
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  Speaker 2: you know, Monica didn't like whatever was happening with the
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  Speaker 2: ring you saw, Yeah, yeah, right, melt it she was
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  Speaker 2: that rubbed her the wrong way and she had to
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  Speaker 2: buy a Louis bag or something so that she didn't
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  Speaker 2: feel inferior when they all went on trip. But this
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  Speaker 2: whole sort of and that people could relate to that, right,
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  Speaker 2: But Monica is still I don't know Monica. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know what she has in her bank, but she still lives.
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  Speaker 2: It looks to me like a really nice life. She
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  Speaker 2: has four kids, there's food on the table, she seems
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  Speaker 2: to take very good care of herself. She's driving around
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  Speaker 2: in a Range Rover. So you know that sort of
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  Speaker 2: feeling that maybe if I have less, that makes me
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  Speaker 2: more authentic and relatable. And I don't think that's true either.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think it's true either, But I will
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  Speaker 1: tell you I think that people love seeing a downfall.
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  Speaker 1: It's part of the whole I cancel culture. But like
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  Speaker 1: when Erin got sued, I have no I'm not taking
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  Speaker 1: a side on who's telling the truth in this one.
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  Speaker 1: But when Erin got sued Erin from New York by
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  Speaker 1: her landlord for unpaid rent and it was all over
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  Speaker 1: the news, I think people love that kind of stuff,
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  Speaker 1: that kind of ooh, maybe she's not who she says
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  Speaker 1: she is. Whenever there's a story about Durie in the news,
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  Speaker 1: whenever there's a story about Erika Jean in the news.
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  Speaker 2: Well that's because I think that it's natural for us. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 2: part of what makes a human human is sometimes feelings
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  Speaker 2: of jealousy, feelings of wanting more, not being content, comparing
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  Speaker 2: yourself to others. I think that is, you know something
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  Speaker 2: I try to fight against it, but it's also I
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  Speaker 2: do the same thing right, Like I can look at
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  Speaker 2: a woman who is so uberwealthy, like a door Rate
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  Speaker 2: or a Kyle Richards, and say to myself, you know, wow,
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  Speaker 2: you know I like my own jet, I like my
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  Speaker 2: own yacht. And the truth is I am blessed above
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  Speaker 2: and beyond. I have everything I need. My kids have
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  Speaker 2: food on the table. You know, God forbids someone get
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  Speaker 2: sick in my family, I'll have enough money to fly
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  Speaker 2: them to wherever the hospital, the best hospital is. That's
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  Speaker 2: what counts, right. Money doesn't buy happiness, But yet still
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  Speaker 2: we covet these things, and whether it's right or wrong,
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  Speaker 2: I think everyone has like a certain degree of that right,
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  Speaker 2: and it's it's hard to fight against it. But specifically
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  Speaker 2: with the Housewives, it's so showy. Everybody is trying so
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  Speaker 2: hard to show so much.
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  Speaker 1: Yes on our cast included, but we won't go into
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  Speaker 1: detail on that. So I think that also, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we live in towns where money is everywhere. People like
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  Speaker 1: to show off. I mean New Jersey. People like their
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  Speaker 1: big cars and their big lives, and they like to
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  Speaker 1: live large, and so it's hard to separate yourself from it.
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  Speaker 1: It's not just Housewives world. It's suburbs, it's in the cities,
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  Speaker 1: it's everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: I grew up in sort of a unique financial situation.
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  Speaker 2: My parents were divorced when I was like three, and
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  Speaker 2: I moved with my mom and my sister to Sugarland, Texas.
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  Speaker 2: My mother was a secretary now we would say assistant,
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  Speaker 2: and we just didn't have a lot. We lived in
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  Speaker 2: a very small house. I remember, you know, kids in
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  Speaker 2: junior high lived in Sugar Creek, and I would go
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  Speaker 2: through these gates and see these homes and I would just,
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  Speaker 2: you know, feel less than And my dad at the
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  Speaker 2: time in the eighties was very, very wealthy, so I
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  Speaker 2: would fly to see him and he was literally his
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  Speaker 2: apartment was across from the met ten ten fifth Avenue
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  Speaker 2: in the city, and then he had a an estate
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  Speaker 2: in Bedford and eventually he ended up living in Trump
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  Speaker 2: Tower for a while. And when I was about nineteen,
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  Speaker 2: we had been named Mitzvah, so I hadn't been bought Mitzvoot.
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  Speaker 2: It was myself and my sister and my half brother. Anyway,
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  Speaker 2: it was on the Queen Elizabeth. It was like on
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  Speaker 2: the front page of the Metropolitan Section and Ivan Boski
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  Speaker 2: like flew brivate jet onto the ship. It was over
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  Speaker 2: the top, right. And then my father didn't have money.
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  Speaker 2: But my point is it was always sort of that
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  Speaker 2: back and forth and that sort of I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: I used to have so much financial insecurity, Like you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'd wake up sometimes in my twenties and be afraid,
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  Speaker 2: like I have these nightmares about like being under the
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  Speaker 2: bridge with nowhere to live, and you know, being or
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  Speaker 2: being being homeless or just struggling, and I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: I am part of why. I think I'm so grateful
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  Speaker 2: that we have what we have now. And again we're
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  Speaker 2: not bazillionaires, but it's just the safety that comes with
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  Speaker 2: having money.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a weird relationship with money. I've always
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  Speaker 1: had a weird relationship with money, and I think it
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  Speaker 1: also stems from my childhood. So when I first got
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  Speaker 1: on the show, I was really uncomfortable showing off my wealth.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't want the producers to know that I had money.
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  Speaker 1: I just wanted to seem like I was like regular
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  Speaker 1: suburban well off, right. I drove a minivan at the time.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't even a new minivan, and it was like
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  Speaker 1: very stereotypical, like oldfish on the floor, shit everywhere, bird
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  Speaker 1: poop in the windows, and you know, my house is beautiful,
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  Speaker 1: but it's not mine no day and it's my house
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  Speaker 1: is beautiful, but it's not like you knowlous house at right.
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  Speaker 1: So I think that my second season, when I took
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  Speaker 1: the ladies to my Hampton's house, which is quite a
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  Speaker 1: beach house. They were like, wait what because everyone assumed
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  Speaker 1: that I was like the poor one on the cast,
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  Speaker 1: and they were like, does Jackie have money? I remember
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  Speaker 1: I was listening to another podcast and they said that
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  Speaker 1: they think that I was like the first house I
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  Speaker 1: was ever to pretend that I had less money than
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  Speaker 1: I actually, which was really funny. But I grew up
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  Speaker 1: with a really weird relationship with money because I grew
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  Speaker 1: up the first part of my childhood it was in
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  Speaker 1: Staten Island, New York, which was very very We were
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  Speaker 1: very middle class. We had like a small home and
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  Speaker 1: you know, like we just didn't have a ton of money,
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  Speaker 1: like me and my friends, like we would play in
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  Speaker 1: our garages. And then my parents their businesses really took
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  Speaker 1: off and they wanted to move out of Staten Island,
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  Speaker 1: so they bought a McMansion in New Jersey and it
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  Speaker 1: was one of the first homes on in the new
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  Speaker 1: development in this new area of the town, and we
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  Speaker 1: were like the only house on the block, and I
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  Speaker 1: was really isolated. My parents, who are wonderful people, but
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  Speaker 1: they dropped me off at this house and they were like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to work full time. And I had no friends,
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  Speaker 1: I had no rides to go anywhere, and I moved
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  Speaker 1: to this mcmahonsion and I was very isolated. I was
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  Speaker 1: very lonely. I had no friends. I would at a
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  Speaker 1: new school, and I money. Essentially, suddenly we were wealthy,
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  Speaker 1: and I was so miserable, whereas I was so happy
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  Speaker 1: in Staten Island, and I was so miserable as friends
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  Speaker 1: and laughing and yes as a kid everything, and I
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  Speaker 1: think I resented all the money. And then to pile
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  Speaker 1: on top of that, my parents continued to make a
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  Speaker 1: lot of money. And when I was in college, one
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  Speaker 1: day the IRS came in and raided my mother's business
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  Speaker 1: and shut everything down. And then I had to watch
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  Speaker 1: my parents go to trial for tax evasion and wonder
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  Speaker 1: how much jail time they were going to get, and
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  Speaker 1: watch them get sentenced, and it was horrific. So I
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  Speaker 1: think that I've felt like when I didn't have the money,
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  Speaker 1: I was so much happier. I was just happier. And
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  Speaker 1: then when I had all the money, nothing about it
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  Speaker 1: brought me happiness. So I was always very very scared.
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  Speaker 1: I want to tell you something really really interesting, So
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  Speaker 1: I never would spend money, right, and I had this
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  Speaker 1: thing where I would always hold onto money and I
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  Speaker 1: never wanted to spend it on anything. And so when
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  Speaker 1: I a few years ago. I don't know if you
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  Speaker 1: guys followed my story, my personal story, or read my
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  Speaker 1: book The Way to Beautiful, but I recovered from a
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  Speaker 1: twenty year really severe anorexia. I recovered about two and
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  Speaker 1: a half years ago. I chose to recover, and when
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  Speaker 1: I first went into therapy my therapist, I didn't want
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  Speaker 1: to do so many sessions because I didn't want to
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  Speaker 1: spend all that money on therapy. It was all part
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  Speaker 1: of me hanging on to all my money. So she
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  Speaker 1: said to me, you know, if you can't afford it,
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  Speaker 1: we can, you know, work out a payment plan. And
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  Speaker 1: I said, no, I can. I can afford it.
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  Speaker 2: I just don't want to.
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  Speaker 1: I just didn't want to spend the money. And she
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  Speaker 1: opened my eyes to the most interesting fucking thing. It's called,
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  Speaker 1: and it's a legit thing. It's called financial anorexia. And
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  Speaker 1: it's the same way that you think about food like
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  Speaker 1: and you're anorexic, or any kind of dieting like you.
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  Speaker 1: I was hoarding my calories so like I wouldn't eat
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  Speaker 1: all day and then at night I would have enough
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  Speaker 1: to make me not feel super hungry anymore. And I
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  Speaker 1: was always like saving calories and I wouldn't eat, and
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  Speaker 1: like I was just afraid to eat because I was
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  Speaker 1: afraid it would spiral. And I was the same way
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  Speaker 1: with money. I was afraid to let go of any
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  Speaker 1: of my money because I was so afraid that something
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  Speaker 1: bad would happen.
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  Speaker 2: And that's how. I don't know that he has financial
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  Speaker 2: anorex yet, but I think for a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: like my husband, like Jeff, he works so hard and
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  Speaker 2: he is successful, and yet I if it were up
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  Speaker 2: to him, we would spend nothing because and I don't
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  Speaker 2: think it's about I really sort of hate this part
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  Speaker 2: because it's I feel like Jews are always labeled when
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  Speaker 2: it comes to money, right, and Jeff Sessler's not cheap.
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  Speaker 2: He would spend everything on his kids in two seconds,
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  Speaker 2: but like the little things he gets concerned about, and
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  Speaker 2: I think that's about financial insecurity. It's you know, I
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  Speaker 2: think that he's for whatever reason, whatever background he comes from,
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  Speaker 2: he's always scared of running out right or like, what's
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  Speaker 2: going to happen if I don't have enough? Especially as
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  Speaker 2: the primary breadwinner. I think a lot of men, you know,
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  Speaker 2: identify also with how much money that they make. That's
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  Speaker 2: maybe for another day. Yeah, but I think a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people have fear when it comes to money. And
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  Speaker 2: then there are those, by the way, who I think,
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  Speaker 2: you know, have so much, there's so much excess, and
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  Speaker 2: feel good. The more they have, the better they feel
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  Speaker 2: about themselves. Right, I don't think you were justing that.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think that's true? Like there are people in
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  Speaker 1: the housewives world that definitely keep accumulating and accumulating. There
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  Speaker 1: are people on our cast that have fifteen cars lined
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  Speaker 1: up in front of their house.
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  Speaker 5: I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Does that could that possibly make someone happy?
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  Speaker 6: No?
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  Speaker 2: Wait, I didn't. That is not believe me. I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I think that everything that people say, right, it's so
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  Speaker 2: cliche that money doesn't buy happiness one hundred percent. I
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  Speaker 2: don't not think it buys happiness. I think that though
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  Speaker 2: people are sometimes their esteem is fed by things, yes,
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  Speaker 2: and it's never lasting. It can't last. Like when I
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  Speaker 2: moved into this house. We were bidding on this house
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  Speaker 2: and I walked into it and I thought, if we
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  Speaker 2: get this house for whatever reason, I just loved it.
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  Speaker 2: I still do. I will never have an unhappy day. Well,
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  Speaker 2: about three days into owning this house, something came up.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't even remember what it was, but
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  Speaker 2: I'm just saying it's not that's not realistic. Things of course,
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  Speaker 2: and we know this, right, things don't make us happy.
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  Speaker 2: But having said that, things, especially in today's day, and
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  Speaker 2: especially yes in the world of housewives, have become so important.
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  Speaker 2: I always say to myself when I'm watching Beverly Hills,
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  Speaker 2: there's like, like, the birken Bag is like the eighth housewife.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how many housewives there are, right, it
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  Speaker 2: should happen, right, It's like, well, it's like a friend
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  Speaker 2: of a housewife. It it shouldn't hold a diamond, but
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  Speaker 2: it has like its own importance.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 1: I may argue that the friends of the housewives are
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  Speaker 1: the most important.
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  Speaker 2: Part, fair enough, but like I'd feel like the birken
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  Speaker 2: Bag is real, like the eighth Beverly Hills housewife, and
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  Speaker 2: like you know who has one? You know, like they'll
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: they'll do a shot of one, then they'll put one
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars underneath. Or Garcel got one, but she
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: got maybe a used one and we know how much
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: of that cost. And it's all about, you know, when
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: the new ones come in, and it's an interesting thing, right,
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: Like Burke and bag can cost one hundred thousand dollars?
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: Is that okay? I don't know. You could feed a
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: small country with that. But guess what, I have excess.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: There's somebody else who I'm I listened to on TikTok
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: Who TikTok who talks about like the Kardashians and how
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: bad it is for girls today to watch their lives
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: because they live with so much excess and it's so obnoxious.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: This it's so bad. They're such a bad example. But
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: yet that person has so much, there's so much excess
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: in her own life, right.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're talking about you guys remain.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: Nameless, but I like to say her name. No, I
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: don't say anyone's name. I really don't. It's not and
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: you guys know what I'm talking about. You don't have
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: to name people. But the point is that, like you know,
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: some when is excess okay and when is it not.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: I don't like to be okay with the ship we
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: see on social media because nobody has to live their
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: lives for our approval, so we all have to be
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: okay with it. I just, you know, I think that
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of smoke and mirrors. There's a lot
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: of people who are presenting a life that they don't
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: really live.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: I think that some of my happiest friends, and who knows,
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know how to measure that. But like some
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: of my friends that seem at least to me so
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: content are the ones who maybe could live larger, but
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: they live smaller lives by choice, right, Like they don't
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: have anything to prove, and they they have other whatever
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: it is that brings them happiness. You know, it's not
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: about their money, and that's what I strive for. I
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: get caught up in also, this world of trying to
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: prove that yeah you know, I'm glamorous too, Yeah, and
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: it doesn't work.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: It's I mean, my town's a tough town. How is
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: your town like my town? The people are great, but
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: they live very large. Like in the summer when everyone's
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: kids go off to sleep boy camp, they are on
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: yachts in Capri. They are at their like a massive
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Southampton homes. They are just living in my town.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: But my friends, now, my friend camp. We were in
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: my backyard getting wasted.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah later Yeah, so you know what else? Also, like
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: I grew up, this is I guess tied to like finances.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: I grew up my dad gambled a lot, So every
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: single weekend we'd be at a casino. So I lived
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: at casinos, and very curiously, my dad taught me how
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: to gamble, Like he taught me every single detail about
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: craps when I was probably like twelve years old, so
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: I knew craps inside and album by the time I
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: was eighteen. We used to go to the Islands and
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: I would be gambling. I was gambling when I was
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: like fifteen. I had fake ID and so I think
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: that I developed this relationship with casinos. You saw me
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: even during BRAVOCM Like, I do not want to gamble
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: because there was so much, like always tension between my
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: parents when my dad would lose, and it's so funny
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: he would bet on sports also, And when I was
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: a kid my dad. I always thought if there was
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: a broom outside my parents' room, it meant they were
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: getting along, and I never understood what it meant. But
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: my dad would put a broom outside their bedroom when
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: he swept his games, and I only knew that it
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: meant that my parents were getting along. Wow, yeah, they
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: were like like the money took over everything. It was crazy.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: I love gambling. I love playing and not like blackjack,
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: I'm not. I can't keep up with that shit. But
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: like wheel a fortune, like sitting there because there's this
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: feeling right that, like this quarter it changed my life,
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: and I mean, why do I want to change my
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: life again? I have healthy children and I have food
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: on the table, but it's that sort of feeling. And then,
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: of course when I always do lose my money, and
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: then it's like the depression of that, right, But it's
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: like such a high to like, yeah, put the quarter
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: in that little slot and think what I write all
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: of a sudden, now like what if, yes, be.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Rich, I'm going to be rich.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: Oh my god.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: We have a very interesting guest today.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Yes, I'm so excited to talk to this person. Need
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: too so.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Her name is Nadine Macaluso.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: And you all may know her as the Duchess from
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: a movie called The Wolf of Wall Street. Yeah.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: She was married to Jordan Felferd, who was the infamous
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: stockbroker who was immortalized in the Wolf of Wall Streets,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: and Nadine met and married him and suddenly he was
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: thrust into this like unbelievably wealthy life.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I love that movie. So, uh, I
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: guess she met him at least in the movie on
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: a yacht and then they bought this state and he
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: bought her yacht. It was called the Duchess and it
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: was like so glamorous, and then the movie is about
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: the downfall.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: So let's talk to her. Who played her in the movie,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: the one that just played Barbie mart So gorgeous.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, just like Nadine. Actually, yeah, she's gorgeous, stunning.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: And she has a new book out, so we'll hear
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: about everything. So hang on, we're gonna get Nadine on.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Hi.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: God, it's Nadine. It's so nice to meet you.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: So nice to meet too, my favorite new Jersey Housewives.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Oh thank you for saying that. While Nadine, we are
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: so excited to have you on this show. And uh,
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: first and foremost, we know that you have a new
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: book that's out and we've been doing our research and
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: it looks I have not read it yet, but it
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: looks amazing.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: It's very exciting.
• 23:10
  Speaker 7: I'm actually in Los Angeles right now, so part in
• 23:13
  Speaker 7: my background because I had my book launch party last round.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: So congratulations, so called run like hell, what is it
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: about here?
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: It goes ooh pretty about trauma bonds.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: It's all about dysfunctional relations that what is trauma bonds.
• 23:31
  Speaker 7: Trauma bonds is a dysfunctional relationship between two people who
• 23:34
  Speaker 7: are emotionally connected. And so one of the people is
• 23:38
  Speaker 7: usually the abuse or a perpetrator or a gas slider,
• 23:41
  Speaker 7: and then the other one is victim to that and
• 23:43
  Speaker 7: doesn't know that they're in it and things, they're just
• 23:45
  Speaker 7: madly in love.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Basically sort of relationship also with like I'm malignant narcissist
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: exactly exactly.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:52
  Speaker 7: Yeah, So I lived to that myself.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: I'm guessing you're talking about Georgie Belfort. It's just a guess, Yeah,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: just a guess. Yeah.
• 24:04
  Speaker 7: Yeah, So I looked through that myself. And you know,
• 24:08
  Speaker 7: at thirty nine, I went back to school to become
• 24:10
  Speaker 7: married doctor, right sarahs got my PhD. And I never
• 24:14
  Speaker 7: thought I would go into that sort of expertise around
• 24:18
  Speaker 7: that subject. But I saw so many bright, smart, beautiful
• 24:21
  Speaker 7: women coming into my office and I was like we
• 24:24
  Speaker 7: have a problem, and so I just went to research
• 24:28
  Speaker 7: and wrote the book.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Do you think so are? We're talking right now about money?
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Which is reely relevant and one of the reasons that
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: we wanted to have you on because clearly you lived
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: with crazy amounts of money. I don't know what happened
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: after you and Jordan separated, but the women that come
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: to you and experience that kind of trauma, Bonnie, do
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: you think that what draws them in a lot of
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: times and what maybe the men us is the money
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: in terms of like, yeah, so yeah, and I guess
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: that happened to you. Yeah, tells me all about experience.
• 25:02
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so you know, I mean I was twenty two
• 25:04
  Speaker 7: years old, I was modeling in the city, and my
• 25:07
  Speaker 7: ex husband was twenty eight and uberly successful, right, a
• 25:12
  Speaker 7: self made guy. So I really respected that. And I
• 25:16
  Speaker 7: grew poor in Brooklyn with a single mom, and so
• 25:20
  Speaker 7: you know, I wanted to have the nicer things in life.
• 25:23
  Speaker 7: And also money represents power, right, and so it just does,
• 25:29
  Speaker 7: especially in our society. And so we did fall madly
• 25:33
  Speaker 7: in love, for sure, I mean, and yet of course
• 25:37
  Speaker 7: the money was alluring.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: So we were discussing, you know, having all of that
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: money and I've never had that kind of.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Well any kind of money did you have? Like, what
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: what did you guys do?
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 25:49
  Speaker 7: So, I mean so when I first met him, you know,
• 25:51
  Speaker 7: this is how crazy he was. Like he would send
• 25:53
  Speaker 7: his driver to my house with a Bulgari watch in
• 25:56
  Speaker 7: fifteen thousand dollars in cash when you were first dating.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, twenty to cash. Yeah, you have to think just cash,
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: just for the fuck of it. I couldn't even spend it.
• 26:07
  Speaker 7: I'd be running around shopping buying my mother like h stereo,
• 26:11
  Speaker 7: you know back then.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: And stereo, find mom Stereo.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: It was like that.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Movie Brewsters Millions. Do you remember that where he had
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: to spend all the money?
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: Yes, right, So I didn't even know or you know,
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: he would.
• 26:28
  Speaker 7: He was so over the top with the love bombing,
• 26:31
  Speaker 7: Like that's a big part of the love bombing is
• 26:33
  Speaker 7: just spending and spending and you know, getting me crazy jewelry,
• 26:38
  Speaker 7: taking me to Cardier for a watch, and just just
• 26:41
  Speaker 7: the money just seemed endless.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: And isn't do you think that that was? I know
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: you you've said you guys were madly in love, but
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: experiencing that from where you had come from and all
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: of a sudden to be you know, put to have
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: this glamorous world surrounding you.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: It was it must have.
• 26:59
  Speaker 7: Yeah, And that's one of the reasons why I put
• 27:01
  Speaker 7: myself in therapy right away at twenty two twenty three,
• 27:05
  Speaker 7: because I was like, I don't know how to manage
• 27:07
  Speaker 7: a staff, you know, I mean I had Then we
• 27:10
  Speaker 7: moved to Long Island and at twenty four I think
• 27:13
  Speaker 7: I lived in a ten thousand square foot house. Had
• 27:16
  Speaker 7: to learn how to decorate it, right, So I went
• 27:18
  Speaker 7: to interior design school because I'm always trying to learn,
• 27:22
  Speaker 7: and you know, I didn't know how to deal really
• 27:25
  Speaker 7: with any of it. So so that's why I went
• 27:26
  Speaker 7: to school and learned. I went to like wine class,
• 27:29
  Speaker 7: interior design school, I went to therapy.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Do you have that imposter syndrome?
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. I remember like going on vacation sometimes, even
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: when I was younger, places like I don't know, Saint Arts,
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: and I would look around and see these all of
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: these beautiful people in their white linen, and you know,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: they would have all the yachts and I was there,
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: I was looking at the same ocean, I was eating
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: the same food. But I would feel like this is
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: realy not me, This is not I.
• 27:56
  Speaker 7: Just feeling super insecure, right, not experienced that before, and
• 28:02
  Speaker 7: me being a type a personality, you know, wanting to
• 28:05
  Speaker 7: do it.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: Right whatever that meant, right, you know.
• 28:08
  Speaker 7: And then of course, you know, he put it over
• 28:10
  Speaker 7: the edge when he bought one hundred and eighty foot yacht.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god, so you were you were vacationing
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: on yachts, You lived in a in a massive mansion,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: you had tons of jewelry.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: Were you happy?
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Was he good to you?
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: You know?
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing about a trauma bond.
• 28:30
  Speaker 7: Is there something called intermittent abuse or intimate and reinforcement,
• 28:34
  Speaker 7: meaning that you have these extreme experiences of love and
• 28:37
  Speaker 7: love bombing and gifts and adoration, but then you also
• 28:41
  Speaker 7: have extreme experiences of abuse and cruelty and control.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: So it's the two. It's the too.
• 28:51
  Speaker 7: It's the extremity of those two experiences that actually causes
• 28:54
  Speaker 7: the bond.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: And did you feel like you had to stay married
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: to him so that you can this lifestyle. Were you
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: terrorized by the thought of going back to not having money.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
• 29:06
  Speaker 7: And also I loved him and we had children right away,
• 29:10
  Speaker 7: and so I really wanted to make it work. But yeah,
• 29:14
  Speaker 7: I mean that that was a big piece of it
• 29:17
  Speaker 7: for sure. For sure, and the fear of can I
• 29:20
  Speaker 7: make it on my own?
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Did you feel when you were surrounded by so much?
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Because this is sort of what we've been talking about today,
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: But did you feel happier? Did you feel No? No, well,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: that's right, we'll talk about that a little bit.
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: No, I don't think that money makes you happier.
• 29:40
  Speaker 7: I think that, you know, coming from not having money
• 29:43
  Speaker 7: and then going into money, I think we've been fed
• 29:46
  Speaker 7: this American dream or this American myth that money is
• 29:50
  Speaker 7: going to make you happier. Now, yes, does it allow
• 29:52
  Speaker 7: us certain freedoms and does it give us certain comforts
• 29:56
  Speaker 7: for sure?
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: And access any things?
• 29:58
  Speaker 7: So I would never deny that, But I don't think
• 30:01
  Speaker 7: I think happiness is an inside job as a therapist especially,
• 30:05
  Speaker 7: and I don't think it made me happier. I think
• 30:07
  Speaker 7: actually what it did is it became a trap.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Right. I think that's so interesting. When you and Jordan
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: broke up, were you still wealthy? Did you? Or or
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: your whole lifestyle change?
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: I walked, I walked away with nothing.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: What happened? So he got he got. You know, I
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: saw the movie a very long time ago, so I
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: don't really remember. But he got, he got arrested, he
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: went to jail, he got arrested, he got he went
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: to jail. But you didn't file for divorce for.
• 30:32
  Speaker 7: A little while after that, right, No, So what happened
• 30:35
  Speaker 7: was that he got arrested for eleven counts of money laundering, and.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: You were completely blindsided.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: Completely blindsided. And then like that week, I filed for divorce.
• 30:46
  Speaker 7: I told him we get divorced because he had an
• 30:48
  Speaker 7: ankle bracelet on, and I knew I was safe because
• 30:51
  Speaker 7: he was very scary person. So I knew, like, no,
• 30:54
  Speaker 7: he's the government's problem, and so the government had a skill.
• 30:59
  Speaker 7: I gave a ten million dollars of all of our
• 31:01
  Speaker 7: homes and everything we owned for his bail. I drove
• 31:04
  Speaker 7: a million dollars worth of jewelry to the courthouse and
• 31:07
  Speaker 7: said take it all because I didn't want anything, because
• 31:11
  Speaker 7: it was all blood money.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: How I think that is, first of all, so admirable.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: I think that, you know, we can talk about a
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: lot of examples of women that would not want to
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: drive their jewelry to the courthouse, right.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you watched The Housewives there, right, yeah, right,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: right about Beverly Hillsman.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: Yes, but that actually gets me very angry.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: But the Erika Jane Earings situation.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because I have a direct experience.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But the blessing that you had enough wherewithal to
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: know that that stuff wasn't treating you happiness, right, I
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: mean I think that that's how how blessed are you?
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: And I'm curious as to when you did get rid
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: of all of that, and you couldn't have been It
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: could have been a hard time. You were divorcing your
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: husband and your whole life was changing, But how how
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: much of you was affected by the fact that you
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: were no longer a millionaire, a billionaire whatever.
• 32:06
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, just like everything, it was a paradox,
• 32:09
  Speaker 7: you know, I find that in life as I get older.
• 32:12
  Speaker 7: I was it felt freeing to give it up because
• 32:15
  Speaker 7: it was such a trap, and then it it actually
• 32:19
  Speaker 7: began to mean something terrible to me.
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: Jackie, you were just yeah, I had this say, very
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: not to your degree, but I grew up, like the
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: first half of my childhood, very middle class, and then
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: my parents made a lot of money and those were
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: the worst years They were the worst years because I was.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Lonely, I was isolated. My parents were fighting over the money.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Then they ended up, you know, getting shut down by
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: the irs and they went to they had their own issues.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: So you had your own trauma around that. Yeah.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So after you got divorced, did you have the
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: option of fighting for money or was there nothing left?
• 32:57
  Speaker 7: I you know, I know many people that were in
• 33:00
  Speaker 7: that same case that did go and fight for money.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: I didn't.
• 33:04
  Speaker 7: I didn't want that to be my plight in life.
• 33:07
  Speaker 7: I was thirty one, two little kids, and I had
• 33:09
  Speaker 7: a maternity company at the time, so I had my
• 33:12
  Speaker 7: own little business that I was kind of relying on,
• 33:17
  Speaker 7: and it just yeah, no, I was happy to give
• 33:21
  Speaker 7: it up.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: And wow, I'm falling in love as we as we know,
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: I really am. Forget about that you're gorgeous, but also.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: Which is that great?
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: I know what? But anyway, also just hearing this kind
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: of knowledge and this kind of uh, I don't know, fortitude,
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: and I love that hearing that with women. And I
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: love that you were, even back then when you were
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: so young, not as swayed by you know, the money.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: I love that.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: So it's like going from how quickly did you go
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: from everything to You didn't go to nothing, right, but
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: you went to it like a very.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: I went to very low. Yeah.
• 34:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I went to like where I was really worrying
• 34:08
  Speaker 7: about money and how I was going to make money.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: And I did, oh wow, And then.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: What was that? Like? What was that? Like?
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: That's super scary.
• 34:15
  Speaker 7: It was super scary because you know when you're when
• 34:19
  Speaker 7: I was that wealthy.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: Also, I was supporting my whole family.
• 34:22
  Speaker 7: That's like another one of those traps that you get into.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: And so it wasn't even just.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Wait, tell us about that because they asked you to
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: or you felt like that's what you should do.
• 34:32
  Speaker 7: I think it was a bit of a combination of both.
• 34:36
  Speaker 7: And so I so that was like another piece of
• 34:40
  Speaker 7: it too, Like it was a lot. It wasn't just
• 34:42
  Speaker 7: giving up for me. It was like, Okay, now I'm
• 34:45
  Speaker 7: not taking care of my parents anymore. And so and
• 34:48
  Speaker 7: then I had two little kids, so then I was like, okay,
• 34:50
  Speaker 7: I can't take care of my parents. I got to
• 34:51
  Speaker 7: worry about my two little kids because they're three and five.
• 34:54
  Speaker 7: And so for about a year, I, like I said,
• 34:57
  Speaker 7: I was I had a maternity store in Roslyn, New York,
• 35:00
  Speaker 7: and I had a catalog and a website, so I
• 35:03
  Speaker 7: was working at that and then, as fate would have it,
• 35:06
  Speaker 7: I fell in love on a blind date with a
• 35:09
  Speaker 7: guy like a year and a half later who lives
• 35:11
  Speaker 7: in California.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: And so then I picked my kids up and I.
• 35:15
  Speaker 7: Moved to LA to just have let us all have
• 35:18
  Speaker 7: a fresh start, because I just didn't want them to
• 35:20
  Speaker 7: live with the legacy. Now, little did I know my
• 35:23
  Speaker 7: ex was going to write a book and make a movie, right, all.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Right, so tell us about that. So he was in
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: jail for how long? Because I know that there are
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: laws around, like moving your kids across the country when
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: the father is in one place.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know.
• 35:35
  Speaker 7: But luckily what happens is when your ex is a criminal.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: The judge a little more leeway. Yeah yeah.
• 35:42
  Speaker 7: The judge was like, listen, your homes are getting taken
• 35:44
  Speaker 7: from you, your right, your husband's a felon, Like, you
• 35:48
  Speaker 7: can move. Actually just saw the new water in five minutes,
• 35:51
  Speaker 7: and so I was about to move.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: But now in this day and age, and I know,
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: obviously you're a doctor and you take care of yourself,
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: and you're also married, I don't know anything about you husband,
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: How attached are you now the things to money, to wealth?
• 36:04
  Speaker 7: Well, you know, listen, I still like my nice things.
• 36:08
  Speaker 7: I won't say, I won't deny that, but as a
• 36:11
  Speaker 7: fifty six year old woman, I'm not that attached to it.
• 36:16
  Speaker 7: I'm much more attached to wisdom and knowledge and having
• 36:18
  Speaker 7: a moral compass and values and health. Again, that meat
• 36:23
  Speaker 7: that I don't appreciate money now, But you have to remember,
• 36:27
  Speaker 7: like when I grew up.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: Maybe I'm a little older than you guys.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: You know, it was pretty five.
• 36:33
  Speaker 7: Okay, so it was pretty woman, right, it was greed
• 36:37
  Speaker 7: is good. I mean, we were fed these.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: Messages about us.
• 36:41
  Speaker 7: Right, we are got an older and wiser to know
• 36:46
  Speaker 7: about them. And I'm married for twenty four years now.
• 36:49
  Speaker 7: My husband and I he had three children, I had two.
• 36:51
  Speaker 7: We blended a family, and we had a modern day
• 36:54
  Speaker 7: Brady bunch. And so I picked up and moved to
• 36:57
  Speaker 7: La to start over.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Right, I have a whole bunch of questions. Go ahead,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: what was your.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: We're just all over the place because we have so
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: much to ask you.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Okay, So from you, first question before we get into
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: anything else, is do you have any contact with Jordan today?
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: How are the kids with him?
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I do.
• 37:15
  Speaker 7: I do have contact with him. My children are thirty
• 37:19
  Speaker 7: and twenty eight. My daughter's a therapist, and you know,
• 37:24
  Speaker 7: she just got married, she had a baby. So Jordan
• 37:26
  Speaker 7: and I ironically actually got along pretty well afterwards. Oh,
• 37:32
  Speaker 7: you wrote this book, you know, he Listen, my book
• 37:35
  Speaker 7: isn't about him, but he certainly is the inspiration for it.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: And we've had our.
• 37:41
  Speaker 7: Struggles a little bit with you know, me coming a
• 37:44
  Speaker 7: lot on social media and telling my story.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: But you know, like I.
• 37:48
  Speaker 7: Said to him, you hed a book, you made a movie.
• 37:51
  Speaker 7: I also get to tell my narrative.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: So I have a question. So, for a very brief
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: period of time in my twenties, I was a divorce
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: lawyer and one of the things that really I was
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: at a very high end Park Avenue divorce firm, and
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: I would have a lot of we were very female heavy,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: so a lot of wives coming in and it would
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: break my heart because you would have these women whose
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: husbands were going on their third or fourth marriage divorcing
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: them as like their second or third wife, and they
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: were just lost. They didn't know what to do with
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: themselves now, and they were all kind of young and beautiful,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: but they gave up. They stopped working because they thought
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: this was forever and now they had no career and
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: they had kids, and now they had no money anymore,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: and they didn't and you know, like the partners would
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: be like, you should look at, you know, getting a
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: new job and getting your resume in order, and they
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: were like resume, Like, I haven't worked in ten years
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: and I have little kids. So what's your advice to
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: any woman? I mean, because I know at my age
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: I see some of my friends' marriages drop in like flies,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: So like, what's your advice to a woman who gives
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: up her career to basically marry and raise kids and
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: stay home and then suddenly they don't want to be broke?
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 39:14
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean that is so common, and thank you
• 39:17
  Speaker 7: for bringing that up. Well, first of all, in a
• 39:19
  Speaker 7: trauma bond, the number one thing that happens is you
• 39:21
  Speaker 7: lose yourself. That is the number one symptom that happens.
• 39:25
  Speaker 7: And so that comes along with a career, even hobbies,
• 39:29
  Speaker 7: even like what do you authentically want to do? So
• 39:32
  Speaker 7: what I always say, and you're facing your biggest fear.
• 39:35
  Speaker 7: For a lot of them, a lot of them will
• 39:36
  Speaker 7: say that's my cancer innatine to me when I work
• 39:39
  Speaker 7: with them about it, And the only thing you can
• 39:42
  Speaker 7: do is to you've always been so focused on this
• 39:46
  Speaker 7: other person, is turn the mirror back on you, get
• 39:49
  Speaker 7: really curious about you and really finds out authentically what
• 39:53
  Speaker 7: you want to do. I mean, I went back to
• 39:55
  Speaker 7: school at thirty nine to become a therapist, So it
• 39:58
  Speaker 7: is never too late to restart your life. That doesn't
• 40:02
  Speaker 7: mean it's not scary, and that doesn't mean that it's
• 40:06
  Speaker 7: not hard, but you certainly.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: Can do it.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: Dean, Uh, here's a question. Do you watch the Housewives?
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm obsessed. Really, I watch every single
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: one I do, deep dead out really Oh yeah, really,
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: it's my good pleasure. I love it.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: You feeling about the trend of like some new housewives
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: coming in with like who are not wealthy, like the
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: Monica on Salt Lake City, or like even some recent
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: New Jersey housewives, or like some I think, like Gina
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: on the OC who I have? But like, how do
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: you feel about that? Do you think that the Housewives
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: should be this fairy tale about money or should it
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: might like have on.
• 40:47
  Speaker 7: Just like everything in life, it's good to have socioeconomic
• 40:49
  Speaker 7: diversity because women can relate to different types of women.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Well, I want to ask you how you think, and
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: this is obviously there are a lot of housewives, but
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: how do you think watching all of the different franchises
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: these how do you think money affects the women? Some
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: of them have more, some of them have less. Do
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: you feel like there is so much buying for attention
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: and I have this and I have that and every
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: you know, it's a The house is a microcosm of
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: the of I feel like, you know the world we
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: live in. But what do you think is really driving
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: these women when it comes to money?
• 41:28
  Speaker 7: You mean, like their desire to be on the show
• 41:31
  Speaker 7: or and like become famab what do you think.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Is behind this? Like showing off things that you very
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: often don't have, oh yeah, or even that you.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: Do have the showing off period, like watching it do that?
• 41:44
  Speaker 7: I mean I never understood that really, but I get
• 41:49
  Speaker 7: you know, I mean, listen, I can only think that
• 41:53
  Speaker 7: a lot of people place their personal value on the
• 41:56
  Speaker 7: things that they have. So if there were in a
• 42:00
  Speaker 7: Gucci belt, that means they're of value, right, true?
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: Because everybody's worth love just for being born.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: I discuss that in therapy all the time, and not
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: just when it comes to money, right, when it comes
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: to fame. I think a lot of housewives feel like
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: they are when they are at the top of their game.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: They're always afraid of losing it, and that causes misery.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: And then if they're at the bottom of their game
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: and they've been demoted or you know, even help put
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: on pause, is that affects them. And the truth is,
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: of course that we're enough when we are at the
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: top of our game and we are on it and
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: we are the most popular housewife, or when we are
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: you know, the one that's been recently fired, none of
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: it really matters, right. It's living in dignity and living
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: in a place where you know you're enough.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: And you can't you know this what I work with
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: all my patients on. You can't get your sense of
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: worth totally from external validation.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Right, And I think so much of that happens on
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: the housewife.
• 43:02
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it's a hard job to be a housewife.
• 43:04
  Speaker 7: My hat's off to you, guys. I mean I couldnot
• 43:07
  Speaker 7: do that. It says, yeah, well, I'll tell you.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: I have these moments of real clarity especially in the
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: past few months where ever since everything that happened in Israel,
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: and I'm Israel, my mother's from Israel, so I will
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: have these moments where I'm like and nothing matters to
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: me except being with my children right now, Like you
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: could take everything from me. The fact that I can
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: sit next to my children while there are you know,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty plus people still being held hostage,
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: is like, nothing else matters.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: Get perspective, I think. Unfortunately, sometimes also when bad things happen, right,
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: like God forbid, someone gets sick, the only thing I saved.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: Michael Strahan say that, yeah, his daughter has brain cancer,
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: and he said everything stopped. Of course, everything stopped when
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: somebody you love gets sick. But I guess that comes
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: with perspective, right, So all of this stuff at the.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: End of the day doesn't matter, means very little.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: It doesn't matter.
• 44:01
  Speaker 7: And that's why I became a therapist because therapy saved
• 44:04
  Speaker 7: my life. And what I love about therapy is you
• 44:06
  Speaker 7: can't really get perspective unless you're reflective, right, if you
• 44:10
  Speaker 7: don't pause and think about, like, really, what is important,
• 44:14
  Speaker 7: what is making me happy?
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: And taking that time to do that is what gives
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: us perspective and.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: It's the only thing, right, like all this other stuff, right,
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: and all this other these feelings of grandiosity that I
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: think we fallen intimto as people that have been on TV.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: It always fads and you're always left with you know
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: you and being happy with who you are outside of money.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: That's a side of any kind of theme.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: So how are you now? Are you comfortable again?
• 44:49
  Speaker 6: Are you Do you ever wish that you could go
• 44:52
  Speaker 6: back to some of that grand lifestyle or are you
• 44:56
  Speaker 6: completely content?
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: I'm content? I mean, so would it be fun to
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: go on a yacht maybe for a weekends.
• 45:03
  Speaker 7: Sure, But and you know I my daughters escaped birth
• 45:08
  Speaker 7: and we have a six month congratulation. Yeah, and we
• 45:12
  Speaker 7: just spent like a quiet, simple Christmas in Boca with
• 45:16
  Speaker 7: family and it's calm and there's no drama. And you
• 45:21
  Speaker 7: know I worked hard to have that life. Yeah, that
• 45:25
  Speaker 7: emotional richness, right, that emotional intelligence.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: And all of that. I know I'm repeating myself, but
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: all of that stuff that you had and it didn't
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: fill you up, And like right, it's just I wish
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: that you know, everybody, we could all agree that all
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: this stuff is so unnecessary, but I used to work
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: on my own desire.
• 45:48
  Speaker 6: Can I ask you another question, just you your thoughts
• 45:51
  Speaker 6: on this. I read an article in the New York
• 45:52
  Speaker 6: Post last week about this new trend of the stay
• 45:55
  Speaker 6: at home girlfriend.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: Have you heard about this?
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: No? Please?
• 45:58
  Speaker 6: It's about women choosing to slow down.
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: There.
• 46:04
  Speaker 6: What was the exact words they used was they're choosing
• 46:07
  Speaker 6: a softer life than the go getter, girl boss life.
• 46:10
  Speaker 6: It's like they're they're getting rid of the girl boss
• 46:13
  Speaker 6: and they just.
• 46:14
  Speaker 8: Want to go stay home, take care of their boyfriend,
• 46:19
  Speaker 8: and take care of themselves so they could be their
• 46:22
  Speaker 8: best self for their boyfriend.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: But in the meantime, they are not.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: They don't.
• 46:28
  Speaker 6: There's no emphasis on marriage, so there's there's no promise
• 46:34
  Speaker 6: of financial security for you. Treating your career and your
• 46:38
  Speaker 6: you know, your future for the comfort of this person.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: What do you think of that? Well, I mean the
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: purse of who you are. So yeah, I mean.
• 46:50
  Speaker 6: Good.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: They want to slow down and not.
• 46:53
  Speaker 6: Buy into the whole girl bloss thing, which I can
• 46:56
  Speaker 6: see that guns committed to that.
• 46:59
  Speaker 7: I can stand that wanting a slower, softer, easier life. However,
• 47:04
  Speaker 7: I do think you run into trouble when you get
• 47:08
  Speaker 7: very focused on just your partner, and again you can
• 47:12
  Speaker 7: lose yourself in them. I think it's very important, especially
• 47:15
  Speaker 7: as a woman, because we've been taught to be so relational,
• 47:18
  Speaker 7: which is beautiful, but it's very important to still stay
• 47:22
  Speaker 7: very connected to yourself. Like that's what I work on
• 47:25
  Speaker 7: with my women. How do you stay connected in your
• 47:29
  Speaker 7: own power, in your own authenticity to yourself and still
• 47:32
  Speaker 7: stay connected to another.
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: Right, that's the valle and you know when there's I
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: don't think that it's black or white.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: You don't have to be a girl boss, no to yea,
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: but saying that, you know, the new way is to
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: simply take care of someone else, and again without marriage
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: or any kind of if you're going to give up
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: everything and that's the way you want to live is
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: just to you know, make someone else happy that makes
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: you happy. Well, you better be careful because because it's
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: maybe there's potentially that it might.
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: Not work out. And then what.
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: Why do you think I personally signed a pren up
• 48:09
  Speaker 6: with Evan because I came into the marriage with a
• 48:12
  Speaker 6: lot of my parents' money, which I don't spend my parents'
• 48:16
  Speaker 6: money at all, but I had to protect that out
• 48:19
  Speaker 6: of respect for them. He had absolutely no issues signed
• 48:23
  Speaker 6: your prenup. He's in finance, he's made his own money.
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: But I feel like prenups get such a bad rap,
• 48:30
  Speaker 6: and I think that they're so like, there's nothing wrong
• 48:33
  Speaker 6: with them.
• 48:35
  Speaker 7: I agree with you. I think they're so important because
• 48:38
  Speaker 7: marriage is a legal commitment.
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: As we know, people so against them. What is the
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: bad rap with them?
• 48:43
  Speaker 7: Because it's like that fairy tale love thing, you know,
• 48:46
  Speaker 7: but we know people fall out of love.
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: We know we're living much longer, we know change is inevitable.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: I would not have signed when I don't think and
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you because is it' kind of about the
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: it's about romanticizing marriage.
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: How many what percentages? There are more than half marriages
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: and and divorce?
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: But I think, honestly because of my own security and
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: knowing that, you know, we were going to enter into
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: this partnership and.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: I was going to be home taking care of the
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: kids and raising them, and Jeff was going to be
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: bringing in, you know, the money, and.
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: So what did that what would that look like at
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: the end of the marriage.
• 49:31
  Speaker 9: And this is the point I think that people think
• 49:32
  Speaker 9: that a seen is going to automatically work against the woman.
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: But I think that you can actually make it work
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: in your favor. You can set up because if you
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: leave it to the court, it's different. States have different
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: rules on how what you're going to get, but you're
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: going to do Yes, that's true. And have you ever
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: known a woman?
• 49:47
  Speaker 6: Have you ever known a woman to sign a prenup
• 49:50
  Speaker 6: because she thought it would help her out.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: In the end.
• 49:52
  Speaker 6: I only know women whould sign if the man would
• 49:54
  Speaker 6: demand that she signed a prenup. I think that, do
• 49:58
  Speaker 6: you do you you know women that signed prenups because
• 50:01
  Speaker 6: they wanted to.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: No.
• 50:02
  Speaker 7: But I think what Jackie's talking about is I think
• 50:05
  Speaker 7: actually an interesting new way to look at prenups where
• 50:08
  Speaker 7: it can protect both parties.
• 50:10
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 50:10
  Speaker 7: I love that parties came in and like really decided,
• 50:14
  Speaker 7: like mine intentionally, this is if we did break up,
• 50:18
  Speaker 7: this is how we would do it. So I think traditionally,
• 50:20
  Speaker 7: I don't think that's been Additionally it has not been
• 50:23
  Speaker 7: like that. Like in my second I don't have pree up, right,
• 50:27
  Speaker 7: I came with nothing, so worry about.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: That, right, you know.
• 50:32
  Speaker 7: But the thing about one of the reasons why I
• 50:35
  Speaker 7: wrote my book too is that I love this conversation.
• 50:38
  Speaker 7: Is that education is what empowers us. So having these
• 50:42
  Speaker 7: conversations and talking about different concepts, right, and then we get.
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: Then we get to choose. Yeah, that's right, and we
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: get to choose.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: Well, listen, after the show is overall, meet you for
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  Speaker 2: dinner at what time?
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  Speaker 3: Because I'm obsessed so going to New York next week.
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  Speaker 6: Please let's get together. Really we would love to say
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  Speaker 6: you're amazing.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm going to to Good Morning America and NBC
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  Speaker 7: so to promote my boss.
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  Speaker 3: Amazing.
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  Speaker 6: It was such a pleasure of meeting you, and honestly,
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  Speaker 6: I love your perspective.
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  Speaker 3: So much. I love you so watching you. Thank you
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  Speaker 3: for entertaining me.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Need to go on. She was amazing, amazing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I loved her, and I was so taken with
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  Speaker 2: the fact that she was not so taken with the money.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, to go from you know, being poor and
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  Speaker 2: then thrust into a world of glamour and luxury and
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  Speaker 2: still drive all your stuff right to the courthouse.
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  Speaker 3: Good for her. I don't think it sounds like it
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  Speaker 3: was that hard. I think she's very grounded.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, she and I think that a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people are not when you get you know, when you
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  Speaker 2: become that wealthy, you lose perspective. That's why I think
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  Speaker 2: I really just liked her.
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  Speaker 9: Well, I think that the money didn't bring her happiness,
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  Speaker 9: and when she saw that or made it easier because
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  Speaker 9: a lot of unhappy people that have money, they'll still
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  Speaker 9: cling to it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, right, listen, here's the truth of it. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not above any of that. I don't have what some
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  Speaker 2: people have, and I have more than other people have.
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  Speaker 3: But guess what.
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  Speaker 2: I think that if I my lifestyle was about to change,
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  Speaker 2: I hope that I would be okay with that and
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  Speaker 2: be strong enough and say I'm not getting I'm not
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  Speaker 2: happy because I have a five bedroom colonial in Versaddle River.
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  Speaker 2: I could be happy and you know, with much less.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah. Well, you know what, Margaret Robby played her in
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  Speaker 9: a movie, a.
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  Speaker 3: Movie about me, and Marco Rockie played me. I could
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  Speaker 3: do that. Yeah, well that means that I'm pretty fucking gorgeous.
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  Speaker 1: Gorgeous.
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  Speaker 3: This was so good, it was it was really I
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  Speaker 3: loved hearing your upbringing story. I didn't know that about
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  Speaker 3: your dad.
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  Speaker 6: Really, that's well, Yeah, one of the divorce clients that
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  Speaker 6: I had lived in that same Trump Edding Tower.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Hi, I was in.
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  Speaker 2: I moved to New York City after college and I
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  Speaker 2: was in acting school and at that time he had
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  Speaker 2: moved to Dallas, so he had like six months left
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  Speaker 2: on his lease. So I moved in. I lived in
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  Speaker 2: a power and I would have these like parties, and
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  Speaker 2: the doormen were like, what the fuck it would be like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, kids coming in driving their bikes the goals,
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  Speaker 2: barking their bikes and bringing up like whatever, booze and
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  Speaker 2: paper bags.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's another great.
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  Speaker 2: Example of like being there at that time, I think
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  Speaker 2: made me feel fed into this feeling that I was
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  Speaker 2: somehow special. You know. Meanwhile, I was at that time
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  Speaker 2: in my life like it fed into that, and yet
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  Speaker 2: at the same time, I was not happy.
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  Speaker 3: At that point in my life.
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  Speaker 2: I was I was struggling with an eating disorder and
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: feeling less than in so many different areas in my life,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and not feeling good about myself, not feeling attractive,
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  Speaker 2: not feeling like I really knew what I wanted to
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  Speaker 2: do with my life. But that fed into that part
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  Speaker 2: of me, you know, is attack to money. I have
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  Speaker 2: this apartment, I'm just as good as I'm better than
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  Speaker 2: while I was miserable.
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  Speaker 3: I'm so glad that you found yourself. Thank you. Not
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  Speaker 3: complete late act saying happy and briving.
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  Speaker 6: Do wait all right, guys, well, we are so happy
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  Speaker 6: that you tuned in and leave us five stars if
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  Speaker 6: you love us, we don't. No, don't tell them not
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  Speaker 6: to be. We're fucking five stars. Do it easy, all right?
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  Speaker 6: So until next time, guys, thank you so much. We
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  Speaker 6: are two Jersey days and we will see you next time.
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  Speaker 5: We b