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Vikings Tailgate: Cy Amundson and Zach Martina Hold Their NFL Festivus For The Rest Of Us – DET – Ep 69 · The Vikings Tailgate

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  Speaker 1: this is a fun episode. We're talking about the Christmas Game.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking about it with the great Zach Martina. He's
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  Speaker 1: I enjoy the episode everybody, recket, recket, I'm here. Hey, everybody,
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  Speaker 1: welcome into another episode of The Tailgate. Snoop Dogg will
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  Speaker 1: be singing, the bells will be ringing, and boy oh boy,
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  Speaker 1: are the Minnesota Vikings and Detroit Lions playing on Christmas
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  Speaker 1: Christmas Day the Netflix game. It's a big deal. Everyone's
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  Speaker 1: coming to town and joining us on this week's episode
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  Speaker 1: to discuss all things Lions and Vikings. Is our longest
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  Speaker 1: term guest on the program not named Chad Daniels, the one,
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  Speaker 1: the only, the man dressed in Santa Claus Lions gear,
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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Zach Martina.
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  Speaker 2: It's me, guys, it's me, and a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: don't know this middle actually is Chad Daniels, so.
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  Speaker 1: He's not gonna like that bit. I'm not sure I
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  Speaker 1: like that bit neither. I don't think either of us
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  Speaker 1: thought that this is where we would be when this
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  Speaker 1: game rolled around. I don't think either of us have
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  Speaker 1: the egos to think we'd be battling it out for
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  Speaker 1: the one seed necessarily. But I don't think we expected
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  Speaker 1: me to be eliminated and you to be so closely standing.
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  Speaker 2: I think our percentage right now is seven and a
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  Speaker 2: half percent it is.
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  Speaker 1: It's not the game we thought. So there's this. There's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of emotional pride between you and I going
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  Speaker 1: into this game. That'll be what drives us, not necessarily
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  Speaker 1: the wins and losses category in terms of playoff appearances.
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  Speaker 1: But I gotta tell you their homeboy, I am quite curious.
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  Speaker 1: This is a look forward pod. It is not a
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  Speaker 1: look backwards pod. But man, am I curious what you
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  Speaker 1: think about the end of your last football game. I've
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  Speaker 1: never seen two straight touchdowns on two straight pass interference plays,
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  Speaker 1: both come back and then the second one to include
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  Speaker 1: a pitch back to the quarterback that threw the ball.
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  Speaker 1: I think they were both penalties. I think they were.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think any of us are arguing that they
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  Speaker 1: were penalties. I don't even think your coach was arguing
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  Speaker 1: that they were penalties. You're doing the eh, you're making
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  Speaker 1: that face.
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  Speaker 2: That only on only on only on one and it
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  Speaker 2: never even should have gotten to the second touchdown. If
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  Speaker 2: you watch that first offensive pass interference, Tislaw was running
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  Speaker 2: a route and he was pushed by a Steeler into
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  Speaker 2: another Steeler. So that's not him doing That's not his fault.
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  Speaker 2: That's not that's not an interference caused by Isaac taesslaw.
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  Speaker 2: That is a pick being set like that was. That
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  Speaker 2: was a Pittsburgh Steeler baiting a penalty and then getting
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  Speaker 2: the catch.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I think even if that's the case, that's two penalties.
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  Speaker 1: They they cheated and then you cheated. So even though
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  Speaker 1: they caused it, I'm sorry, it still happened.
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  Speaker 2: Well this but if the if somebody happened got.
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  Speaker 1: Your hands on a jersey and somebody pulls you to
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  Speaker 1: the ground, and that's a penalty, but you pull someone
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  Speaker 1: else to the ground, that's also a penalty off set
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  Speaker 1: and we start over.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that Tesla had his hands on him.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you.
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  Speaker 2: I just until, not until he stopped, and then and
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  Speaker 2: then the Almond Rossaint Brown thing. That would never happened
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  Speaker 2: if the uh if if if the Teslav penalty wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: have been called, as I don't think it should have been.
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  Speaker 2: But also it's so frustrating because the week before that
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  Speaker 2: that Kobe Parkinson touchdown catch, Like it's just I this
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  Speaker 2: is a classy podcast, and I'm not going to spew
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  Speaker 2: the rage that I have, but there is broken fur.
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  Speaker 2: Oh oh, I gotta I gotta give a shout out
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  Speaker 2: to my wife. She got her first injury as the
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  Speaker 2: result of a lion's flogging if you will that there
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  Speaker 2: was a play it was to It was on a
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  Speaker 2: Jamison Williams catch and then they ended up the past
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  Speaker 2: her first but like it was so egregious. She threw
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  Speaker 2: her hand up and hit the table. And now she's
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  Speaker 2: got a brace on because her thumb, her thumb is
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  Speaker 2: like sprained or something. And I'm very happy for it's
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  Speaker 2: a rite of passage and shout out to shout out
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  Speaker 2: to you, Emily.
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  Speaker 1: It's like you're raising a cult. Uh I I I'm
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  Speaker 1: very curious also, as I think everybody was waiting for
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  Speaker 1: this Bears bubble to burst. I think some of the
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  Speaker 1: points for against metrics some things told a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people that, you know, maybe historically this is the sort
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  Speaker 1: of team that would make the playoffs and then lose
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  Speaker 1: at home in the first round of the playoffs. But man,
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  Speaker 1: they run the football well.
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  Speaker 2: Sure do.
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  Speaker 1: And and uh, your boy Ben Jonson, who's no longer
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  Speaker 1: your boy, he's your anti boy.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: It has to hurt because we've we've talked a lot
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  Speaker 1: of love for Dan Campbell on this show. But there
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  Speaker 1: has to be a part of you, at least a
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  Speaker 1: part of you that would rather have him if you
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  Speaker 1: get a pick who to ship out. There's got to
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  Speaker 1: watching what he's doing pretty impressive. There's got to be
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  Speaker 1: a part of you that's like because there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of you know, there's a lot of talk in college
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  Speaker 1: and pro about the offensive guru, the genius head coach,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like that's what everybody wants. He's the real
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  Speaker 1: deal man.
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  Speaker 2: This You've said this in the past though, about Kevin
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  Speaker 2: O'Connell and these offensive gurus that you're talking about, is
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  Speaker 2: that eventually teams figure out how to stop.
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  Speaker 1: I did say that, don't put that, don't don't you
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  Speaker 1: don't you quote, don't you justta post? Make me my
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  Speaker 1: favorite coach?
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  Speaker 2: So to you sure did go back and check the
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  Speaker 2: but I agree. I think that when an offensive or
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  Speaker 2: defensive guru comes in and they have success as a
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  Speaker 2: coach early on, that the other side of the ball
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  Speaker 2: eventually figures out what they're doing. So to answer your question,
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  Speaker 2: and who would I want as the head coach, particularly
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  Speaker 2: long term, I'm going Dan Campbell because that is not
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  Speaker 2: a guy who is like, he's not doing the ex'es
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  Speaker 2: and o's the same way that Ben Johnson was. That
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  Speaker 2: was not why he was hired. He was hired to
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  Speaker 2: lead the team. And I think he does that and
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  Speaker 2: that's ultimately what I think he want in the head coach,
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  Speaker 2: and that's what that's what I would prefer.
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  Speaker 1: It's just one of my favorite things in sports media
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  Speaker 1: is how we try to decide who gets the credit
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  Speaker 1: for a thing in such a team board, team based
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  Speaker 1: and like togetherness sport right Like the most famous one
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  Speaker 1: obviously is the Brady Belichick conversation. And then I think
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  Speaker 1: the fun thing about this year with how well Drake
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  Speaker 1: may is going, everybody starts going, well, how much credit
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  Speaker 1: does Josh McDaniels get, And how about just the infrastructure
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  Speaker 1: of the organization. So I technically, I generally think you
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  Speaker 1: need great ownership and then you need all these pieces
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  Speaker 1: to fall into place. So I think when we try
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  Speaker 1: to sort it out, it's really silly, but it's very
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  Speaker 1: very fun to do, and I just want to watch
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  Speaker 1: you continue to have to wonder what percentage walked out
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  Speaker 1: of your building and walked into a division rivals, Because
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  Speaker 1: if I'm being honest, if I'm using my fear fan
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  Speaker 1: face right now, if I'm being a scared guy like
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  Speaker 1: I am capable of being, what's happening in Chicago right
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  Speaker 1: now looks like uh oh. For fifteen years, it looks like,
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  Speaker 1: oh no, this is a potentially top three quarterback and
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  Speaker 1: a potentially top three coach. Oh no, that's what that is.
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  Speaker 1: That is the worry that I have watching what's happening there.
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  Speaker 1: Even if they go out in the first round this year,
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  Speaker 1: that throw was nuts.
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  Speaker 2: What Ben Johnson did. The first thing he did was,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, completely rebuilds their offensive line. I think they
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  Speaker 2: have one remaining starter from the previous years and they
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  Speaker 2: completely rebuild that. I think that. I think that that's
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  Speaker 2: the strength of their team. As you said earlier, they're
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  Speaker 2: running the ball absolutely wonderfully. But if there's one thing
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  Speaker 2: Ben Johnson knew, especially from assignment Detroit, like the benefit
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  Speaker 2: of having running backs is great, But the line is
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  Speaker 2: who like he gets it? He gets that it's in
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  Speaker 2: the trenches. I mean, and I think that is I
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  Speaker 2: think that's unique about an offensive guru.
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  Speaker 1: Do you what part of you is in the irrational
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  Speaker 1: hope category right now? Because what needs to happen for
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  Speaker 1: you to get in. Do you know the path?
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  Speaker 2: We got to win out? And I think green Bay has.
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  Speaker 1: To lose out.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure because I know right now, all it's
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  Speaker 2: going to take for green Bay to get in is
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  Speaker 2: a win by them and a loss or tie by us.
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  Speaker 1: It's a not great possibility for you, guys. The Packers
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  Speaker 1: are the other side of that. They represent the ninety
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  Speaker 1: two point seven percent and with.
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  Speaker 2: How long's love hurt? Though?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but don't don't. You're not some underdog miracle story.
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  Speaker 1: You were a judg whoa, whoa? What are you?
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  Speaker 2: I just I'm curious about how long love is out?
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  Speaker 2: That's that's not all.
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  Speaker 1: I miss I miss heard. I misheard what you said.
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  Speaker 1: I misheard what you said. I apologize. I can be
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  Speaker 1: wrong too. Uh uh. The Lions have to win out.
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  Speaker 1: The Packers have to lose out. That is the official scenario.
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  Speaker 1: A tie gets the Packers into the playoffs.
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  Speaker 2: They've already had one.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that'd be a fun way for them to miss
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  Speaker 1: the playoffs, wouldn't that be great? Yeah? I we're now
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  Speaker 1: we're now sitting here and the question is for you
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  Speaker 1: the other question as we look long term is when
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  Speaker 1: you have these all time quarterbacks, the Peyton Mannings, the
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  Speaker 1: Tom Brady's of the world, right the Patrick mahomes Is
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  Speaker 1: of the world. I like to think of it like
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  Speaker 1: one point zero, two point oh three that that man
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  Speaker 1: and I've talked about this on the show before that
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  Speaker 1: man in the Arena documentary. When that came out, it
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  Speaker 1: was very clear as like, oh, we had our first
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  Speaker 1: run like this, and then the team re morphed around
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  Speaker 1: Tom and this was Tom Brady and his team two
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  Speaker 1: point zero and this was three point zero. He had
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  Speaker 1: like four versions and then he had an extra version
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  Speaker 1: when he went to Tampa Bay. What's interesting is that
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  Speaker 1: almost always happens around a quarterback. You know, before the
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  Speaker 1: salary cap era, you had it happen in San Francisco
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  Speaker 1: around the coach with Bill walshark with the greatest coach
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  Speaker 1: of all time, with you having a very good quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: But I would say not a first ballot, no brainer,
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  Speaker 1: Hall of Famer quarterback, you having lost your coach, Like,
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  Speaker 1: are you at all worried now that you've been through
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  Speaker 1: these three years where you had the opportunity you blew
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  Speaker 1: it in one playoffs with you know, some risk taking
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  Speaker 1: You've had injury situations in the last two years that
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  Speaker 1: have kind of derailed you. Is there any part of
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  Speaker 1: you that says, hey, maybe this window is closing or
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  Speaker 1: what are you see the path to Lions two point oh?
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  Speaker 1: How do you do the two point zero?
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  Speaker 2: The path to Lions two point h in my opinion,
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  Speaker 2: is being able to keep Lions one point oh. On
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  Speaker 2: the field, you mentioned the injuries in the last two years.
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  Speaker 2: It has been like the numbers are staggering, especially as
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  Speaker 2: far as starters go. So the amount of injuries that
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  Speaker 2: we've had on both sides of the ball over the
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  Speaker 2: past two years, particularly the defense, but it's remarkable. It's
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we've we have no say we're down to
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  Speaker 2: our fourth string safeties. We are down to I mean
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  Speaker 2: we've had we had three different centers play last week.
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  Speaker 2: And then there's also some rotation going in at guard
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  Speaker 2: because that is not been healthy, uh, which obviously everybody
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  Speaker 2: has seen goff is you know, as any quarterback is
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  Speaker 2: not as good if your line isn't there with all
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  Speaker 2: those switches too, You've seen Gibbs struggle to find the holes.
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  Speaker 2: I you know, I think Montgomery is more of a
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  Speaker 2: up and down guy, and I think he's broken some
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  Speaker 2: more runs over the past few weeks because he's not
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  Speaker 2: trying to do what Jamior Gibbs tries to do. I
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  Speaker 2: think health. I think health at first and foremost. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: Dan Campbell, if I would say, maybe don't go full
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  Speaker 2: Tilts from day one of training camp, I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: but we do need it. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Now you've entered the that was interesting. This is the
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  Speaker 1: first time in our relationship on this program that I've
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  Speaker 1: seen you enter the reality like you'd never really competed,
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  Speaker 1: right your whole life, the team you had that one
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  Speaker 1: Barry Sanders year, you get to an NFC championship, that's it.
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  Speaker 1: You'd never really competed, and now you know the competition
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  Speaker 1: Like last year. I was even asking you, like, what
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  Speaker 1: if this happens? What if that happens. You're like, I
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  Speaker 1: don't care, let it happen.
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  Speaker 2: I'm ready for it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not worried. And now another year is stacked on
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  Speaker 1: top of it, and I hear you talking more like
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  Speaker 1: a Buffalo Bills fan or a It'sburg Steelers fan or
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  Speaker 1: a Los Angeles Ram guys who now have tasted that
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  Speaker 1: you can actually win in this league, and it is possible.
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  Speaker 1: And I can see your I can see your I
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  Speaker 1: can see you growing into a real NFL fan right
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  Speaker 1: in front of my eyeballs.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god. Well, you know, if Christmas is one
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  Speaker 2: thing we can say is it's to see those you
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  Speaker 2: love grow and flourish. And I'm so happy that I'm growing.
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't say flourishing, it's growth. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the injuries. I think Dan Campbell has
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  Speaker 2: actually done a pretty solid job. And you know, everybody's
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  Speaker 2: calling for Kelvin Shepherd's job as a defensive coordinator, but
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  Speaker 2: I maintain that I think the team plays for him.
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  Speaker 2: And uh, when you are down your entire starting secondary
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  Speaker 2: at one point, yeah, you're gonna get You're gonna get
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  Speaker 2: torched for big plays. I mean there's a reason their
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  Speaker 2: third and fourth string coming up off the practice squad.
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  Speaker 1: So can I tell you, having been eliminated even before you,
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  Speaker 1: what is keeping me? I have to find little morsels.
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  Speaker 1: Chad and I talk about this, So I gotta find
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  Speaker 1: little things to connect myself to to really care sure
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  Speaker 1: how competitive I am, Otherwise I'll get bummed out. And
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  Speaker 1: you just mentioned the secondary struggling in the defense. You
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  Speaker 1: know what, I'm grabbing a hold of.
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  Speaker 2: What's that?
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  Speaker 1: For this Christmas game? I'd love to see bro Show
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  Speaker 1: Max Brosmer. I'd love to see him not against the
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  Speaker 1: best defense with the best plan in the NFL and
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  Speaker 1: the hardest stadium to play in the coldest weather, Like
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  Speaker 1: I want, I want bro Show to get another shot.
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  Speaker 1: I would Here's the thing I like, JJ McCarthy, I
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  Speaker 1: would love I think I think a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: are like, well, what would happen? That's a great problem
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  Speaker 1: to have. I would love to see bro Show go
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  Speaker 1: out and put three or four touchdowns in two hundred
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  Speaker 1: and eighty yards on you guys and just open up
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: some chaos moving forward in the fan base because this
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  Speaker 1: fan base, our relationship with quarterbacks, I would argue, is
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  Speaker 1: like maybe no other fan base. I mean, you guys
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  Speaker 1: had a weird one, even though you had Stafford, But
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  Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns have a hilarious one, and up until
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  Speaker 1: Caleb Williams, I think Chicago owned the title for we
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  Speaker 1: have a weird relationship with quarterbacks in this fan base.
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  Speaker 2: But even for sure, so I'm hoping that they go
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  Speaker 2: back to.
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  Speaker 1: That for sure. I think it's hard to argue with that. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I think so many like we have. This team has
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  Speaker 1: one of the greatest quarterbacks to ever play the game
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  Speaker 1: of football, if not arguably one of the most important,
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  Speaker 1: if not maybe the most important, in fran Tarkentin, the
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  Speaker 1: man invented scrambling. I had he won a couple of
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  Speaker 1: Super Bowls. Two of those super Bowls, I think we
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  Speaker 1: discuss him right below Brady. He's right at the top
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  Speaker 1: of the mix where he should be even without the
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  Speaker 1: Super Bowls. And then you go through this long journey
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  Speaker 1: walking through the desert with no quarterback water, and so
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  Speaker 1: whenever anybody comes in, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter
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  Speaker 1: if it's this is what I've learned. It doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 1: If it's Kirk Cousins, doesn't matter. If it's JJ McCarthy.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. If it's Wade Wilson or Rich Gannon
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  Speaker 1: or Randall Cunningham or Todd Bauman or Bubby Brister or
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Jeff Frickin' George. Doesn't matter. If it's Dante Culpepper, it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't matter. If it's Brett Favre, Tavaris Jackson or Gus Faratt.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. If it's Christian Ponder. It doesn't matter
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  Speaker 1: which of these men it is. This fan base will
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  Speaker 1: have a significant portion of the people who get so
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  Speaker 1: on board with them being the future at the first
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  Speaker 1: glimpse of one sign of positivity, and there will be
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  Speaker 1: another portion of the fan base who the quarterback could
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  Speaker 1: throw for five hundred yards and five touchdowns, they'd be like,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: miss that one, though, Like that there is and it's
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: not like those are the extremes. I think that's forty
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: percent on each side. I think there's only twenty percent
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: of people left over in the rational middle in terms
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: of this fan base his feelings about quarterbacks.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: I mean everybody. That's the exact same situation right now
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: in Detroit, because forget the fact that you know, Goff
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: has thrown for over four thousand yards and over thirty
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: touchdowns in three consecutive seasons, joining a list of only
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: five other quarterbacks who have done that and gotten us
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: to an NFC championship and puts up all these numbers.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Everyone's like, he needs to go, he needs to go,
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: he needs to go, and it's like he's doing everything
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: he can do, like, oh, he's not sure. He's been
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: a little bit off this year. As opposed to other years,
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: but he's also under a lot more duress, and he
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: makes a lot of smart plays of not taking he's
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: last year he would have thrown balls away, where this
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: year he's getting sacked and he's not. He's just a
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: not have the same time. And then you know, you
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: start comparing to Stafford, and it's like it's the hypotheticals
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: of it. It's it's it's absolutely.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Did you did you think? Did you think Stafford would
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: play long enough to win a Super Bowl? Go through
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: a lull where it looked like that team need to
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: rebuild and then be a super Bowl contender again. Because
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, if he goes and wins a
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: second Super Bowl, that's gonna suck for you guys. The
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: first one good, good for him. The second one's gonna suck.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: This. But I also know, I also know the Lions
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: that he played.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: I understand, but he there's not an alternative timeline where
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: if he would have stayed, they would have stayed those Lions,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: they would be these Lions, you know. So I'm just
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: saying I don't think anyone myself included thought when he
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: went to the Rams, I thought he'd play a couple
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: of years and retire. I didn't think he'd still be
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: playing right now. You could still have Matthew Stafford on
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: this team in theory. Now, yes, that costs you some
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: draft picks, and you know, the whole world would be different.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: But I do I think if Matthew Stafford wins one
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: this year, or plays a couple more years and wins one,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: that trade gets weirder and it gets harder as a Lions.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: I well, you said that Stafford is still playing, and
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: he's still playing with these Lions. He's not playing with
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: these Lions. He's not playing with the core of our team.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: I mean the bulk of the star players on our team,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: the vast majority of those players.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: It can't be the vast majority. You don't say vast majority.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: It can't be the vast Okay, it's twenty two guys.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: It's it's Sam Laporta, It's Brian Branch, It's Jamiir Gibbs,
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: it's Jack Campbell, it's I know that there's more. It's see,
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: it's one of.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: The sam Say the Sam Laporta comes from the Vikings.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: We gave you that that you traded us your tight end.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: We gave you that pick you draft Sam Laporta. Don't
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: put that on Matt staff.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: No, no, we we moved up with picks from the Stafford.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: You are dancing like like a small town politician at
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: a town hall. Let me guess did did Did it
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: also get you Jamison Williams and Amon Ross Saint Brown and.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Not get the stadium.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: I don't need you to go to law I see
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: you typing. I don't think go to Lions Reddit to
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: find some guy with and string going from place to
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: place to tell you why the Stafford pick. If Stafford
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: would have stayed, you still could have made moves. It
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be the example to say a vast majority of
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: your talent. That's a wild thing to say.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Well, I think who, I mean, who do you think
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: our talent is? Because if if you look at the
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: players that everybody's like, oh they're great, Oh they're great.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: He was drafted, not part of it, not part of
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: I think he's.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: The most talented football player on your team. I agree, uh,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: And I think the second most talented football player on
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: your team is aid Aiden Hutchson.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Okay, was he part of it? No?
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Keep it pay? That's tuober due. Then next up, I
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: would say, I'm on ros Saint Brown, right.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: And now you're getting yes, no, no, And now you're
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: getting into the rest. These next five to six players
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: are all part of that trade.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Okay. First of all, five to six, you're again. I
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: think when you say five to six, the reality is
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: three to four. And you made it. You said a
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: vast majority. I just there's twenty two.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Guys five to six. I said of Star. I said
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: of Star, I said Core. I did not say of
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: the whole roster. Now you play it back and you
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: tell me that I said anything.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Now, now here's what I want you to do. If
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: somebody had to tell you, gun to your mouth, right,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know how much.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: How am I going to answer? How am I gonna gun?
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Gun to your head? Because you came to my head,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: it's gone to your head. I can't answer if there's
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: a gun in mind.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: See your mouth, your mouth is open, yeah, could you
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: could you please?
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Could you get it out? The only person that would
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: understand the answer is a dentist.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Listen to me. If I told you you had to
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: give a like direct you can't. You can't weave a web.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: All right, here's the direct result of the trade. You
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: tell me who's on your team because he's gone the
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: direct result, not some Because here's the thing. You can't
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: say Sam Laporta. Sam Laporta, Sam Reporta wouldn't have worked
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: without the Hockinson trade. You don't get that. You don't
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: you you can say that that's partially because of it.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: I want to separate this into two categories. I want
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: to do the ones that are you can have made
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: no other moves. You can't have made no other moves.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Then the draft is different. We're not in the same position.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: We're on the same picks. We moved all sorts of
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: picks to move up and down. Yeah, I just I
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: can't do it. You're asking me to do something, but
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: you can't say Sam Laporta. If I can't say Sam Laporta.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: You can't say Sam Laporta. The main reason you have
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Sam Laporta is because we traded you a pick for Hockinson.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Huh can I'm gone?
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: I know who he is. I thank you so much.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Why is your computer so far above your head? I
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: have sort of weird radio station setup. Do you have
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: any you are?
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: You are my middle screen, and then above that is
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: another screen, and then below that is my laptop because
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: this is my editing bay. This is also where I
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Jamie editing.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Jamie, could you please tell me who we got for
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: the who the actual picks were offended.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Jamie Terry and Arnold and Antoine Green. Yeah, we got used.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: You did send us a twenty twenty three second round
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: pick and a twenty twenty four third or third round pick,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: and we got Sam Laporta in the twenty twenty three draft.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: But we also got Brian Branch, so you can't say
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: that it was Brian Branch.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: I think you. But what you're saying is we got
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: all those because of Stafford. You got them all because
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: you have a good GM.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Who turns the staff pick.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Obviously, the lineup, We've spent way too much time on this.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Obviously the line your your your current lines would look
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: different with Matt Stafford, but so would your quarterback. And
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: the only point I was making is the longer that
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: staff plays the more the more the Rams return to
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: relevance like they have this year, which, by the way,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: great win by the Seahawks because the Rams look very good.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: The more they return to relevance, I think, the weirder
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: and harder that trade gets Super Bowl? Yeah, but when's
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: that gonna happen?
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: What is Stafford going this year? You're saying if he
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: wins another one. I'm saying, if golf wins, if gets
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: there next year or the following year. You're giving me
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: an if. Why can't I answer with an if? Because
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: you're not a level playing field. Sigh, you are? You are.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm walking up one hundred yards and you're running down.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: You skipped. You skipped my original question with a nonsense answer,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: which was how are you gonna get to Lions two
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: point zero? And it was like, we just gotta get healthy. Well,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: eventually all these stars, I said. My point is the
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: two point zero is about the shift of roster resources, Right,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: that's what happens that we're gonna have to happen. Well,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. And often great teams survive that
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: shift with elite level quarterback play. Otherwise they disappear and rebuild. Right,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: That's what those are kind of the two arcs in
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: the NFL universe. Either you have a Peyton Manning, Tom Brady,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes or yeah, you have some down years, but
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: you kind of build and like the Chiefs were this
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: offensive juggernaut. They won with Tyreek, and then they traded Tyreek,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: they regrouped, rebuilt, they became a defensive team. They won again,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: and now they're probably going to go through another one
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: and I would not be surprised to see them doing
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: well at some point, very very very soon. It's harder
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: to do when you don't have an elite level quarterback.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: So my question to you is, what is the plan
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: to do two point zero? Are you going to be
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: the best drafted team in the NFL over the last
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: thirty years? Which could be an answer, You've got a
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: great GM, are you so over the last two years?
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: There he is welcome to being a real NFL fan.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: We wouldn't have heard that, Zach two years ago. I
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: would have just been like.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Come on, you can't say I would have heard that
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: two years ago, because I'm saying the last two years.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: The rookies this year and then oh, I'm gonna judge
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: the rookies last year. It's a different frame of reference.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: I you gaslighting sob.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: You don't even know what gaslighting you.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: I don't even know what gaslighting me? And rage baiting me,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: and this is these are the things that my daughter's.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: I've never even heard of gaslighting. I don't know how
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: to light gas I think accusing me of gas lighting
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: is a very not kind thing to do for someone
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: who doesn't even have access to you.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: You're talking to me about being unkind and unreasonable with
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: these asinine questions.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe it's been a long season from Maybe maybe
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: I should go to therapy, or maybe my wife is
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: wrong and I should just do this because I feel
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: really good right now.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: I do feel cleansed. It's good to laugh.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: I want the Bro Show to hang just a pound
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: of touchdowns on you guys. That's that's my big.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Well, what's the touchdown to pound ratio? How many ounces
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: is a touchdown?
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Six touchdowns per pound?
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Six touchdowns per pound?
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know what that breaks out to in
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: terms of ounce's little it's a little over two point
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: whatever whatever, you know, two pounds, whatever ounces or excuse me,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: two ounces whatever, it doesn't matter, two point outs. Don't
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: put me on the spot with Matt. Don't gaslight me.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: What what needs to you are in a fun position,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: you know, especially with what's going on in Green Bay,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Like you mentioned, if you can get this game, if
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: you can beat us in this game? You then do
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: do the Packers play? They're not one of the They're
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: not one.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: Of They're not one of the Christmas games. No, it's
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Denver in Kansas City, and then I can't remember who
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: is it one? But it's not the Packers. I don't
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: think you.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Get to put the pressure on, which is really really
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: really nice. They have to watch you win and then
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: know that they have to win, you know, or they
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: face so last week win and in losing out if
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: they win type situation.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: I think it's there playing a balt Green bas playing
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: a Baltimore team that also has to win.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Yes, I mean they have Tyler Hunley, so that's going
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: to be hard, but it's I just think it's a
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: really really it's as good of a seven percent situation
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: as you can ask for, because you want to play first,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: you want to apply the pressure. I don't feel good
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: about your odds. I was really looking forward to the point.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Who feels good about seven and a half percent odds? Y?
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Who feels good about that?
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: I didn't say anybody did. I was just mentioning. Am
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: I not allowed to mention how I feel about the odds?
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: No?
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: SI, you know what you are. I'm so happy that
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: you're with the rest of us.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Listen to me. I make up my own mind. I'm
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: an individual. I look at what's happening in front of me,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: I assess situations. I come to my own conclusions, and
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: I bring them to this place that I thought used
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: to be safe, where I would share moments with one
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: of my closest friends as we discuss our two teams,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: one of which seems to never get over the hump
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: and the other of which is perennially terrible. And now
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: we both have all these built expectations and we're sitting
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: here playing a nearly meaningless playoff from a playoff relevancy
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: standpoint football game on Christmas. And I'm just trying to
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: call it like I see it, and you're just attacking me.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: You over and over.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: That little use of the word nearly meaningless is the
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: definition of gas lighting, because it is very meaningful over
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: on this end, nearly meaningless. It's meaningless for you, meaningless
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: for the Minnesota.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: But I told you, I'm really hoping bro Show drops
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: a pound of touchdowns on you.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: That'd be meaningful for what your Christmas ham. You're your
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: enjoyment your Christmas ham.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, some people just like competitive sport, Zach, we don't guess.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: Listen.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: Listen to me.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Listen to me. It's hard to explain to a Lions fan.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: There's no nearly no, there's no nearly meaningless. Then the
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: point is.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: The point is I'm concerned that it will be difficult
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: to build a Lions two point zero, especially with the
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: grim drafting picture you painted, which I don't tend to
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: agree with. I think you have a phenomenal uh. I
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: think you have a phenomenal situation over there.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: I didn't I say we had a you Oh my god,
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: am I a dictionary and you're a publisher just putting
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: words all of it.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: You have an addiction. I think you have an addiction
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: to not being honest with your friend on a podcast.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: I think you're addicted to the rush of not coming Jamie.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Could you look up football addiction, Jamie, Jamie, could you
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: look up football addiction? Listen to me, Zach, Listen to me.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Can I ask you a real question?
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: It'd be nice to hear one for the first time today?
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: Can I ask you? So, Let's say we're living in
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: an alternate universe where this game has a ton of
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: meaning mm hmm, right, Like, Hey, the division's essentially on
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: the line.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: It's the last game of the season last year.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: How deep are you in Jay and I's DMS trying
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: to go to a Christmas Day game? Or would you
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: never consider it if I was thinking about going. It's
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: on Netflix, a really big deal. Everything's on the line.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: How deep are you in the thought process of like, yeah,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Christmas is great.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: You're gonna get both ski because JJ McCarthy just got
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: a hairline fracture, he's out this week.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Did that just officially because.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: That just came out from Adam Schefter?
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Or so we because it's Christmas, we recorded early, This
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: show's coming out this week, so we're official, So that
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: that means we're getting bro show.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: To answer your question, though, real quick to answer your question.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Alternate verse, it's the game and it's Christmas Day. As
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: a Midwesterner, I'm never asking.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: I can't yes, But in your heart are you wanting?
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Are you hinting and wanting?
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: If I do? If I could have gotten my family
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: out there this year, I would have been.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Asking, Oh, interesting, what's the drive?
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Oh we would fly?
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: God, that can't be economically reasonable?
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Well, we all have. We have companion tickets, companion ticket
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: and tickets because we're Delta Sky. The sky Miles thing, you.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Don't know anything about flying. I'm convinced you know less
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: about flying than you do how to create a two
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: points What do you mean? What do you mean the
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: sky Miles. That's not how companion tickets work.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: If you are a sky Miles member, if you are
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: registered and have a sky Miles credit card as being
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: a part of that group, you can have a companion
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: ticket for any flight and in the continental US and
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: like some other places in.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's a singular. It's a singular. I thought you
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: were saying like you had access to companion tickets on
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: the rags.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: You're saying, no, we haven't used it yet. We would
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: have used it. We saved those for events such as this,
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: such as this.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, hey, I don't know, given the way that
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: this year's gone, that they're gonna put us against one
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: another on the last game of the season next year.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: But if they are, maybe that's something to look forward to.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Since you're so grimly moving past your seven percent chance
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: of still getting into the playoffs, what about.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: What I said has come across as grim.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: I don't we can ask. It just seemed I don't
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: grim maybe is not the right word. But defeat us
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: this I've been trying to talk you into. I've been
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: trying to talk.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: I haven't been this mad since the Lions got hosed
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: at the end of that Steelers game.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Oh that thing where there was no bad calls, and
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: even Dan Campbell was like we did committed to.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Dad Campbell is never going to blame the refs. That's
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: the type of head coach we have.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm, Jamie, could you bring up that play? Jamie?
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Both bring both both both?
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Do you think anybody gets the Jamie reference or do
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: you think they think because the show's producer is Jay,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: that it's just not been The point is I love
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: you a lot and I will be and I somehow
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: am rooting for you while not rooting for you, because
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: I would love to see you have a change here.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: What my big thing is this year. I like that
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: the Ravens are probably not going to go. I like
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: that the Chiefs are not in. I would like the
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Packers to be out. I would like you to be in.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: That's what That's what the football universe needs. Unfortunately, that
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: comes face to face with what I need, which is
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: bro Show to hang a pound of touchdowns and a
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: bunch of yards on you and the Vikings to get
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: a tasty little Christmas cookie victory. But I just want
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: you to know that I'm thinking about you, and I'm
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: rooting for you, and I'm hoping that you, as you
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: transition in your NFL fandom into this Zach Martine two
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: point zero, a new version of a Lions fan, that
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: you will just continue to be the guy you've always.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Been based on everything that has happened in this podcast recording,
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: I don't since even a modicum of.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Sincerity, and you so sincere.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: I don't believe it for a second, since I don't.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Your eyes are moving around like you're hiding from behind
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: a painting in a haunted house. Right now, You're like,
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: so I was in here.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: I just don't like making an eye contact with you
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: because I don't know how you're feeling about what's going on,
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: and I don't want to aggravate you or trigger you.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Let's do predictions. Let's go ahead and do predictions. I'm
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: gonna let you have the four because you've kind of.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no, please please please.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: No no no, no, no, no, no.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: You know what, For as long as no listen. For
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: as long as you and I have been talking lions
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: of Vikings on this podcast, I've always gone first. And
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: that is and you know, and that's selfish, and I
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: don't want to be selfish, particularly on the holidays. So
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: why don't you go ahead and go first? And then
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: I'll close it up.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: You're not the host of the show, you know what.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm not, but I am. I am a
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: good person, and I just I can't in good conscience
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: let you have me go first again, because that is
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: just h it feels bad.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Well, because I know you're going through it, I will,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: I will break my hosting rules and I will let
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: you have this moment of self fulfillment that you're searching for.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go. I do think the lines are still
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: gonna score. I think they'll put about who's gonna say thirteen,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: But I think they might put seventeen on the board,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: but I want to stick with thirteen. I'm gonna say
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: thirteen on the board. I think the Vikings probably one
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: hundred and twenty.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Eight yards cool, one hundred and twenty eight yards sure.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: No, that makes makes points to thirteen yards.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: Thirteen points. That's a thirteen that's not a pound of touchdowns.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: That's not even two touch The Lions and the Minnesota
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: fan base spends an entire offseason arguing about what that means.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, Zach, I think that the Bro Show is
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: going to result in how most people feel about individuals
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: who call other people Bro. He's gonna upset you, guys.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: You're gonna be pretty upset with his performance.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Nonsense. Why I not only do I think Bro Show
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: is gonna put on a show. I think Jefferson's gonna
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: come alive. I think we're gonna I think Bro Show
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: is going to hang a pound of touchdowns. I think
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Jefferson's gonna have eight catches one hundred and forty yards
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: one Tuddy. Put it in the books, whatever books you have.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: I know you're not a big reader. Put it in
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: a put it in and put it in a journal.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Write it down. Take that to the bank, and that
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: guy'll tell you we don't take stuff like this at
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: the bank.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: But he will laugh. He will laugh at the suggestion
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: because because.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't have ever put that in the bank, because
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: that doesn't make sense. But he was right about what
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: was gonna happen with Brochow and Jefferson.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: I think that the Lions are going to come out
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: and play with it. I think they're gonna put up
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: the points that they put up early in the year.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: I think we're gonna get thirty plus. I think you
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: guys might get twenty four, might get twenty four. I
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: think more realistic seventeen. I think Aiden Hutchinson has probably
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: three sacks. And if Amen Ra or Jamiir Gibbs don't
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: have three touchdowns by themselves, then Amen Ra, David Montgomery,
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: and Jamier Gibbs are all gonna have a touddy.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: Okay, well those are two very different predictions, but I
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: don't have time.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: No, it's three three three three rule of three, and
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: I just.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Like either they're gonna get three touchdowns themselves or three
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: total guys will get three touchdowns. Wow, what a wow,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: What a wow?
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: What a.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: Cover all your basis prediction. Here's the thing I care
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: about you deeply. I am I am wishing you. I'm
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: wishing you a very merry Christmas. I hope you enjoy
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: the game. I hope we enjoy the game. I hope
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: it goes well, I can't wait to text you on
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Christmas during the game. What a nice moment for our friendship.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: I'm rooting for you and I care about you.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what my holiday is going to be great,
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: just reliving your face after that little drop right there.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Enjoy the game.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Everybody, Merry Christmas.
• 41:04
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• 41:06
  Speaker 2: cut that. Don't cut that beepit bebit beep babe.
• 41:12
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• 41:28
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• 41:30
  Speaker 1: this week. Thank you to all of you for listening.
• 41:33
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