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I Beat Stage 4 Cancer. Here's What Changed Everything! | Dr. Nasha Winters (Part 1) · The Shivan Show with Shivan Sarna

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  I was in ovarian cancer, stage four, at the ripe age of 19.
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  Everything had been so normalized and so ignored
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  that it was missed.
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  I didn't expect to survive this.
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  I didn't want to fight this.
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  I just wanted to understand it.
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  Something in me took me down the alternative medicine aisle.
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  What I've created today and what I continue to build upon
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  is what I wish I had back then.
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  Hi, I'm Siobhan Sarna,
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  and I'm here with Dr. Naysha Winters.
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  We're gonna talk about how not to get cancer.
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  It's a great idea.
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  She has done so much work with her team
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  to transform the landscape of cancer care.
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  We're really lucky to have her here
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  in the United States as well,
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  because in other countries,
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  say Germany, for example.
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  Yeah, a lot more accessible.
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  It's a lot more accessible
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  to some of these treatments.
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  So let's get started,
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  Dr. Nation Winters, with your journey.
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  I know it's a message of hope for so many people.
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  First of all, thank you.
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  What you do in the world
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  also helps me help my patients more
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  because we're not going after cancer.
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  We're going after the environment
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  that cancer takes root.
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  Hooray, focus, distinction.
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  right?
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  And you focus on things that help people take care of the train, take care of the whole
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  bit here.
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  No one gets into cancer thinking this seems like a really good job choice.
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  Fun.
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  That
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  seems like a fun job.
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  So for me, it was no different.
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  It was a pain to purpose story.
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  I don't think I knew health growing up, but it was so normalized all of my symptoms.
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  Like the
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  doctors told my mom when I was an infant that me pooping once a month was just my pattern,
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  So therefore normal.
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  And that all of my reactions of the constant spitting up of like my baby formula, the soy
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  formula they had me on, they would just give me basically what was baby Prilosec at the
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  time.
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  Oh my gosh.
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  So imagine my microbiome, girl.
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  Like you are, this is like your jam.
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  So that started my immune system off in the wrong foot.
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  And then fast forward, a collection of other conditions such as endometriosis, cervical
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  dysplasia, multiple times over, polycystic ovarian syndrome, rheumatoid arthritis, IBS.
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  those were all my little collection tank before I was even out of high school.
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  They were again,
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  normalized because I was head of the volleyball team, student body president.
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  Like I showed up
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  in the world where as vital part of that was just youth on my side.
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  And there was also a part of me
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  using those things to over like compensate for other difficult things going on in my life.
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  My physical health was really struggling.
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  And it was when I ended up landing in the emergency room
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  two weeks shy of my 20th birthday in 1991, after going to the ER multiple times over many months,
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  is when they realized, oh gosh, this isn't more of the same that they'd been telling me.
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  She looks good.
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  Yeah, she's fine.
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  Until I showed up with a belly the size of a nine and a half month pregnant
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  woman and tiny little skinny stick arms and legs because I was so malnourished and excruciating
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  pain.
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  And when they did further evaluation, a full bowel blockage, a great size tumor in my
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  right ovary, peritoneal implants, lots of little tumors scattered all over my pelvis,
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  liver lesions as well.
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  I was very, very sick within what they told me three months, but likely
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  now as a doctor within days of death to the point where everything had been so normalized and so
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  ignored or so written off that it was a mist that I was in end-stage ovarian cancer at the ripe age
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  of 19, just shy of my 20th birthday.
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  And they didn't expect me to see the end of 1991.
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  Holy
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  smackers.
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  I know.
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  So it's a big one.
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  It's a big one.
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  Wow.
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  That's where that story began.
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  Wow.
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  Yeah.
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  I am so sorry.
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  Oh no, no, because I know what we get to do now.
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  I know.
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  I know.
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  And it's a fine line with toxic positivity too.
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  Cause like that is true, but you're using it.
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  And that's the main thing.
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  Yeah.
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  I've slaved that one.
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  I've like grabbed it and harnessed it,
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  but I didn't expect to survive this.
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  I didn't want to fight this.
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  There was no Dr. Google.
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  There were no Shimon Sarnas like out there in the world supporting people's health.
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  There were no
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  influencers or really no good books or only a handful of books that all recommended like the
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  gerson diet you know that was kind of all that you could find at the library at the time i was too
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  sick to even get a single treatment and instead of feeling like i was going to fight this disease
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  i just wanted to understand it like why would a 19 year old at that time very uncommon by the way
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  unfortunately not as much now it's skewing more common along yeah which is unfortunate we'll talk
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  about that in a moment but i got curious i wanted to know why and frankly that's the journey i've
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  been on for over three decades now.
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  And I've gotten to keep learning for myself and then
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  later apply it to others and others and others.
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  And now it percolates out through the clinicians
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  and the allied health professionals and the advocates that I train all around the globe.
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  Oh, it's good.
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  Right?
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  I'm trying to all like along this theme of terrain,
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  but also seem of getting curious, testing, assessing, not guessing, and changing the
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  terrain, changing the environment.
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  We have to explain what terrain is.
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  Well, to me, it's the environment inside you and its expression and relationship to the environment outside of you.
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  And that can include everything from the organelles within your cells to the cells themselves to the cytoplasm in those cells to the relational tissues to the organs and this giant meat suit that we carry around.
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  And the space between the cells.
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  And so all of that to be said is that there's a lot happening all of the time that we don't have to be aware of.
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  but when we put some intention and attention into the situation, we can make a big difference.
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  We can put in some really valuable data that helps our innards work better, like a garden.
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  Right.
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  That you've got this soil, and within that soil, you might be growing
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  flowers or fruits and vegetables, but you also might have a few pesky weeds.
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  Now,
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  some weeds, they tell us stories.
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  If you see, for instance, a dandelion out in the wild,
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  our first instinct in our yards is to pull them out or poison them out.
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  And yet dandelions show up to remineralize the soil.
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  There you go.
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  They show up to take toxins to be a chelator to the soil.
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  So if you see dandelions, that's like a symptom saying this soil is sick, but instead we poison it or we pull it and we ignore it and we suppress it.
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  Don't look at that.
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  That's the same type of idea.
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  But our body, our symptoms, our disease labels are just the dandelions that we might be misdiagnosing as a problem when they're actually a messenger.
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  If I feel like I might have some messengers, whatever it is, a lot of chronic inflammation, you just don't feel right, whatever those symptoms may be for you.
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  A blood test that comes back funky with those white blood cells.
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  And there's a lot of indications.
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  We're going to talk about testing in a minute.
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  You're never going to see me again, which fortunately is not true.
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  but let's say so.
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  What do you want me to know?
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  Wow.
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  Well, first of all, I want you to know that
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  you are far more powerful than anybody's let you believe.
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  That is a fact.
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  We're talking to you.
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  That's a fact.
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  Yeah.
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  And let's say specific to the cancer conversation in standard of care today,
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  in the United States, at least, and really globally, you are not allowed to say you treat
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  cancer unless you're a board-certified oncologist or a dental surgeon.
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  So what I want to be very
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  clear here, because they often find the first signs of some of the oral...
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  Stick your tongue
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  out a little bit.
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  And they're allowed to be like, oh, there's a cancer.
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  And there's often your first...
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  What about a dermatologist?
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  No, they're not even...
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  They have to refer on to an oncologist.
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  Crazy, huh?
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  This is what I want people to know.
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  What you and I are talking about is not about
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  the treatment of cancer.
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  It's about the improvement of the environment in which the cancer
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  might arise.
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  I teach doctors how to evaluate for, understand, make sense of, and appropriately
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  treat using the right timing, dose, duration, and combination, folks that happen to be expressing
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  with cancer.
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  Not identifying with cancer, but expressing with cancer because there's a difference.
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  And that it's not alternative.
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  In fact, this should be standard of care because what we're showing people is it's not even that you need to choose between standard of care and alternative or integrative.
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  They should be standard together.
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  You can both be very accurate and effective in targeting the tumor, but you will have much better benefits if you target and support the terrain.
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  You can wield the sword wisely.
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  Okay, we're going to continue to get personal.
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  Have you ever been bloated, like really bloated?
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  Have you ever had diarrhea or constipation or
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  maybe have a combination of all of it?
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  Maybe you have SIBO, small intestinal bacterial overgrowth.
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  I have answers for you, the ones that I couldn't find for so many years.
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  The website, my website,
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  SIBOSOS.com has a ton of free information, some premium courses you can take, small group coaching
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  and discounts on supplements and other health products.
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  What changed everything for me was working with Dr. Allison Seebecker.
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  And she is involved in so many of these projects.
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  She is a true and legitimate SIBO expert.
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  So if you'd like to work with us, you'd like to find out more,
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  even just want to just take a little look and see if maybe that might be you,
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  then check it out.
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  You'll see the links in the description.
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  And I hope you don't have SIBO.
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  But if you do, I'm glad we found each other.
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  Okay, I want to flashback just for a second.
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  So here you're 19, you've lived to 20.
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  You became curious, obviously.
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  What did you do?
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  Did you go to college?
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  Did you go to medical school?
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  The summer before my sophomore year in college is when I started late to get the ER over and over again.
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  Something's wrong, something's wrong, something's wrong.
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  And it was the first few weeks back into my sophomore year in college that I was really sick.
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  And I had to take the rest of that semester off because, first off, I thought I'm going to be dead by the end of the year.
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  And I wasn't.
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  And part of that was, you know, they sent me home to die.
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  But I had 100% bowel blockage.
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  And so one of the accidents of this that was a miraculous lifesaver for me was I couldn't eat.
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  So you went into fasting state, deep fasting state, two and a half months.
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  Holy sugar.
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  Exactly.
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  So interesting, like as a clinician, when patients get a bowel blockage today, our primary treatment for that is bowel rest.
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  So these are usually patients, though, in the hospital being deeply monitored.
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  Yeah.
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  And you can go days, weeks, months, and they're getting hydration, right?
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  and sometimes depending maybe other parenteral nutrition.
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  But I wasn't doing any of that because they were done with me.
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  Oh, my gosh.
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  They were like, go home.
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  What town was this?
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  Durango, Colorado.
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  Tiny mountain town.
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  Hotbed for oncology support.
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  Yeah.
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  And still to this day, there's only one oncology office in that town.
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  God bless.
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  And it's the same one that was there then.
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  Okay.
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  Okay.
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  Well, first of all, when I started doing my research.
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  So you were on bowel rest because you're starving yourself.
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  Well, and I couldn't eat because it was like so good.
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  Were you doing like broth?
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  Not then.
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  I couldn't do anything.
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  I could do barely sips of water.
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  And then I ran across, because I still
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  had access to my campus library, I found some research about a cell line study of a South
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  American herb called tibetwea, paludarco, that had impact on inducing apoptosis in ovarian cancer
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  cells.
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  So I was pre-med, so I had a minor.
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  Okay, that's important, a little detail.
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  In fact, I'd met my now husband over a fetal pig in anatomy physiology.
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  That is so romantic.
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  What 22-year-old besides, hey, I think I'm going to fall in love with a 19-year-old dying girl and then stick around through it all.
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  That's a whole other story.
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  K-A-R-M-A.
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  That is karma.
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  Big time.
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  Wow.
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  That's a fun story, too.
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  But that fasting, as I started digging deeper, I started running across the work of people like Dr. Otto Warburg, whose data had been basically buried.
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  This is a man who suggested, actually, cancer isn't a genetic disease.
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  It's a metabolic mitochondrial disease.
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  And he wasn't dissing the genetics.
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  He just said that's a downstream effect, not the starting point.
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  And in a medic, you have damaged mitochondria.
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  They all looked very different.
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  The mitochondria of healthy cells and the mitochondria of cancer cells look different, behave different, utilize different energy sources.
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  And for cancer, they primarily live on sugar.
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  He was compelling me in like reading that going, this makes a little more sense.
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  I was running across the work of Beauchamp of terrain theory, who we chose the germ theory guy.
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  We chose Pasteur's path.
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  And yet simultaneously his colleague, Dr. Bouchamp was saying, no, disease does not
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  come from the outside in.
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  It starts from the inside out.
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  Like we create the environment internally that gives host, that gives rise to these
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  conditions.
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  That resonated with me.
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  I ran across the work of a woman named Dr. Mina Bissell.
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  She is who coined the term, the concept of extracellular matrix.
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  She was a cancer researcher, still is today.
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  Oh, she's still alive.
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  And still being completely ignored.
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  What is her name?
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  Mina Bissell, B-I-S-S-E-L-L-A.
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  And where is she located?
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  Oh, my gosh.
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  I feel like it was Stanford, but I could be wrong.
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  It's been a long time.
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  But she's got a TED Talk.
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  Really good.
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  Mind-boggling, actually.
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  But I was reading her research from the 80s.
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  But she's the one who's growing cancer cells in Petri dishes and noting that the medium made all the difference.
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  Okay.
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  So hold on for a second.
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  So I remember when I was like in grade school and we would do grow penicillin mold in agar.
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  Okay.
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  So that was like this medium in the Petri dish.
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  So she's doing different contents in the Petri dish and growing different things.
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  And based on what's in there, how the cancer replies.
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  Yeah.
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  So either the cancer would grow or not grow or even resolve.
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  Wow.
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  And she's like, guys, we got something here.
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  Yeah.
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  No one wanted to hear it.
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  They still don't want to hear it.
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  Son of a beeswax.
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  Son of a beeswax.
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  That is just so good.
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  That's much nicer than what I would say.
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  But so much, I was totally intrigued by that.
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  But I also recognized my particular diagnosis was also very trauma-driven.
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  At the time, I was a biology chemistry major at the time of my diagnosis.
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  And when I took that semester off, I returned in the winter semester after, in the early
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  part of 1992, still sick, but still alive.
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  But now I'm just curious.
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  And now I'm just going to
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  buy time and learn things.
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  Yeah, exactly.
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  Keeping it very quiet, very, very quiet.
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  The only person
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  new was the man I was dating, who's now my husband, was going on and a couple of doctors.
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  What was very fascinating to me is I also started running across the work of Dr. Robert Ader,
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  who coined the term psychoneuroimmunology, of Candace Pert, who wrote a book called Molecules
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  of Emotion.
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  Molecular geneticist, researcher, that was her whole reality of realizing that
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  your thoughts really do change your immune system.
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  And then this obscure molecular biologist
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  researcher in the 1980s, whose book would not come out until 2011 by the name of Bruce Lipton.
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  So now you're realizing I'm learning about people who it would take another two decades before they
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  were even known about.
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  Before any publisher would touch them or there's no Amazon self-publishing
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  per se by then.
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  They're busy doing other things.
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  I was literally using a Dewey Decimal System and
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  microfiche to do my research.
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  That's the era we were in.
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  Talk about denying guidance to stumble
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  upon these individuals and their work that was completely ignored, completely unknown at that
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  time, completely unheard of.
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  That, in addition to the first book I found after I was sent home to
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  die at my little local library, something in me took me down the alternative medicine aisle.
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  And this book, Quantum Healing, pulled off the shelf from this guy.
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  I couldn't even pronounce
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  the name, Deepak Chopra, 1991, right?
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  So look at all the gifts that I was given, like the little
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  crumbs that I was given all of a different path.
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  And that path has deeply, deeply, deeply influenced
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  the way I see health, creation, disease, mitigation, and cancer in particular.
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  It's a very different
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  lens than the one we're all being given culturally.
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  My mom died in 1997 from lymphoma.
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  And I wish she had known all of this.
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  It was really brutal.
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  It was really primitive.
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  i don't know if the lymphoma killed her or the um chemo but it was like she was an aids patient at
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  the end and she had gangrene and she had a cancer spot on her nose that you know she was quite
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  beautiful and she decided to cut it off instead of like just letting it go because that wasn't
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  going to kill her trust me and it was just freaking brutal it was so it's it's okay i mean
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  obviously, thank you for doing your work.
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  But I mean, obviously, this hits home.
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  A couple of years
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  ago, I was going through a very difficult time in 2020, what, three with just a situation,
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  which is totally almost 99% resolved now.
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  And lo and behold, put his moisturizer on after
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  getting out of the shower.
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  And so I for some reason, I raised my hand and underneath my breast,
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  there was skin cancer spot.
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  So out of nowhere, so be sure to do tits up and you know, check,
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  Like, go into the crevices and look around, peeps, because you don't know what's going on.
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  It had not been there for, I mean, I don't know the last time, like, I had checked or anything.
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  But I saw it in the mirror.
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  Yeah, where'd you come from?
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  Where'd you come from?
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  You know, I had it removed by a dermatologist.
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  It's like they get the surgery and they get the results, like, oops, then they send you out the door.
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  Well, fortunately, we were able to, like, just curtail it right there.
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  But I was like, oh, my gosh, I understand why this has manifested.
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  It was a very difficult time.
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  And I was like, I get it.
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  I already got it.
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  But then like, I really got it.
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  So I just am really glad we're having this conversation.
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  So let's keep going.
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  Thank you for listening.
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  Yeah.
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  If you're going through this right now, there is hope.
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  You don't have to go randomly and find a Deepak Chopra book that you didn't even hear of
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  his name before.
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  You can go to her website, start the process, find out people who've taken your certifications.
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  You know, there's just so much more hope.
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  So much.
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  Basically, what I've created today and what I continue to build upon is what I wish I had back then.
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  I think a lot of people look at me now and think, just like when we talk about success, that you just see people like, look, you're successful, but you don't see all the things.
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  That's why I wanted to know your backstory.
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  So for me, you guys, I was still fighting for my life.
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  Like that word, it's not quite the word I choose today to use in this context, but it was then.
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  It took me from 1991 until 1999 to feel like I might live to see another birthday.
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  I had one professor in college that knew because I passed out in his class and got rushed to an ambulance.
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  And then they told him, like it was, they broke HIPAA to tell what was going on.
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  So he then knew and then Pinky swore with me that he would never share it with anybody.
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  I had a fear that I was going to be kicked out of school.
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  And it was my – like my education was my liberation.
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  Right.
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  My distractions of being intellectually savvy was a survival method, right?
• 18:30
  Totally got it.
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  And then I didn't tell any of anyone I applied for medical school what was going on because I was certain in 1995 when I did the application process that they wouldn't let me in because I was still very aggressively cancering at that time.
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  In 1999, it came to a head when my liver got so big.
• 18:46
  so involved that can still remember like being in the student shift on my student clinic shifts
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  and they were all using they were all like so intrigued by my library everyone just i didn't
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  tell anybody i don't know what they all thought my one professor was like you got something going
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  on here because they could see your liver they could see if they could measure it so i was like
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  the practice patient did you get imaging on i got imaging on a ct scan like all the things they see
• 19:05
  it and then they realized they were confused like they were confused because i was so private about
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  it right so my doctor my primary she was the only person who knew the official and then we protected
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  my data from the students.
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  We anonymized my data to be basically a patient.
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  So I was always the
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  person they practiced on for IDs and things.
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  So by the time I got to naturopathic medical schools,
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  when I started to access tools outside of standard of care, because now I'm alive,
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  standard of care doesn't know what to do with me.
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  They didn't expect me to be alive.
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  And frankly,
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  they ripped me off.
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  Your kidneys are still shut down.
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  By the way, my kidneys shut down more
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  because of the gadolinium poisoning, which I'm still dealing with today.
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  That's the contrast
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  dye to look at the imaging.
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  And so I'm very excited about types of imaging we have today
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  that are no contrast dye, no radiation, because five CT scans in your lifetime is as much radiation
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  exposure as Hiroshima.
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  And so I wasn't willing to go down.
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  Even back then, I knew that radiation,
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  it was radiation, ionizing radiation is a known carcinogen.
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  That's why I used a lot more MRIs
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  thinking, well, there's no radiation, but then the contrast dye shut down my kidneys.
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  I was like in
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  this crux.
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  So I had to use things like thermography and ultrasound, which were not great tools,
• 20:13
  but they were some information and that with labs and physical exam and just knowing of my body was
• 20:19
  the way I started to learn and identify patterns and became a freaking savant with it for saving
• 20:27
  my own life.
• 20:27
  But then it was something I could apply to the patients while I was in clinical
• 20:30
  training and then into patients in my early days of clinical practice and then developed my own
• 20:36
  methodology that is now what I get to train clinicians all over the world in.
• 20:39
  You know,
• 20:39
  that pain to purpose was literally living it.
• 20:42
  It was not a fast journey.
• 20:45
  It was not a linear
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  journey.
• 20:47
  And even over these three and a half decades, I've had multiple, like no one would
• 20:51
  probably ever say I'm in remission.
• 20:53
  Really?
• 20:54
  That one always kind of blows people away.
• 20:55
  What I help people understand is that cancer is a manageable disease process, much like diabetes.
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  your only cure is prevention.
• 21:03
  Once you've had it, you have the potential to have it again.
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  70%
• 21:08
  of the time, we have a recurrence.
• 21:09
  Even if it takes 30 years for it to come back, it can come
• 21:12
  back there.
• 21:12
  I just had this happen with my sister-in-law recently.
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  She had ovarian cancer,
• 21:16
  stage four.
• 21:16
  And what does stage four mean?
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  That means, well, standard of care says you will die
• 21:21
  of this disease and we'll give you treatments until you die.
• 21:24
  That's stage four.
• 21:25
  Stage four is
• 21:25
  the end of the line till you're completely done.
• 21:28
  So that means that there's metastasis beyond the
• 21:32
  site of the tumor.
• 21:32
  So it's moved.
• 21:33
  It's moved all over the body, right?
• 21:36
  And various areas.
• 21:37
  And then that's where it gets really challenging.
• 21:39
  Like standard of care really doesn't do well
• 21:42
  when we get to those more advanced cancers.
• 21:44
  They call it palliative at best, right?
• 21:46
  So they're like,
• 21:47
  we're just going to throw stuff in.
• 21:48
  To your point, when you talked about the horror of what you
• 21:50
  witnessed with your mom, some studies show that upwards of 50% of patients actually die of
• 21:54
  cachexia, which is sarcoquenia, which is muscle wasting.
• 22:00
  And this is where your doctors were
• 22:01
  always telling you, well, no matter what, don't lose weight.
• 22:03
  You got to eat, eat, eat.
• 22:04
  But that's
• 22:04
  not correct.
• 22:05
  This isn't a caloric issue.
• 22:07
  This is a metabolic issue.
• 22:09
  And the more calories you give
• 22:11
  it, if you're giving it the wrong form of calories, you could actually be feeding it.
• 22:14
  So this is where
• 22:15
  carbs directly feed cachexia.
• 22:18
  I have patients, myself included, actually they're better not
• 22:22
  eating at all than eating a lot of carbs.
• 22:25
  That's wild.
• 22:25
  It is wild.
• 22:26
  And people like Dr.
• 22:27
  Walter Longo's book came out this year called Fasting Cancer.
• 22:31
  My lived experience and that
• 22:33
  of the thousands of patients I've gotten to support directly on this journey, we were like
• 22:37
  the anecdotes going, yeah, duh, here it is.
• 22:39
  But he's the man who's been the researcher behind
• 22:41
  this saying, this is a very powerful strategy in the treatment of cancer directly and the indirect
• 22:47
  treatment by supporting other therapies to do their job better.
• 22:50
  And it was great because one
• 22:51
  of the early on things i ran across was a study by a man named dr dr mareshi m-o-r-e-s-c-h-i from
• 22:58
  1909 the primary treatment for cancer up until the 1960s was fasting you know chemo didn't hit
• 23:05
  the hit the road and hit the mainstream until after world war ii i don't even know what to
• 23:10
  think right now i know it's a lot doing bang stress re-agitation you're like i can control
• 23:18
  this i can control my dangs oh my gosh okay so what happened okay so at night not what yeah so
• 23:25
  do you think that that's interesting do you think that cancer has been around all this time before
• 23:29
  1909 for sure and they just starved it yeah and then of course we have different environmental
• 23:33
  but i want to say there's some environmental crap going on back there have you ever read the book
• 23:37
  um the emperor of all maladies and it's known as the biography of cancer written by sadart dr
• 23:43
  sadarta mukherjee that was basically his thesis it's so good it gives you the whole history to
• 23:47
  show in fact cancer has always been we got examples of it in mummies and different examples
• 23:52
  but it was extremely rare oh it was extremely rare up until basically the early 1900s we used
• 24:02
  surgery and then it wasn't until madame curie you know who then realized the power of radiation
• 24:09
  who then of course died from cancer caused by radiation a lymphoma or leukemia she died of a
• 24:14
  blood cancer because ionizing radiation is a known carcinogen.
• 24:18
  That became our treatment.
• 24:19
  And then it wasn't until after World War II that we took all of the leftover chemical warfare,
• 24:24
  things like Agent Orange and whatnot, and we repurposed them into chemotherapeutic drugs.
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  Sadie and I say thank you very much.
• 24:42
  We called the war on cancer in 1971, and we were literally using tools of war to try to cure cancer.
• 24:51
  Are there people that were helped by that?
• 24:53
  Absolutely.
• 24:53
  Yeah.
• 24:53
  Here's what the studies are showing.
• 24:55
  So first of all, surgery alone is effective in about 50% of the cases.
• 24:59
  Okay.
• 24:59
  Right?
• 25:00
  Like that's a really, give your body a running start to get ahead of the burden.
• 25:04
  Right?
• 25:05
  Okay.
• 25:05
  Because if you can get your body debulked enough, your own body can like wake up and go, oh, oh, got it.
• 25:11
  I know what to do now.
• 25:12
  Right.
• 25:12
  We took out the trash.
• 25:13
  Okay.
• 25:14
  The second most effective is actually radiation.
• 25:16
  12% of the population will have a good response to that, but it's got to be used very precisely.
• 25:21
  And so there's some interesting things we've learned since like patients who are in an extreme state of metabolic disrepair,
• 25:27
  if their insulin or glucose are high, that desensitizes the cancer cells to radiation.
• 25:32
  We can potentiate radiation's effect by getting a patient in a glycemically reduced state
• 25:38
  and even bring on things like ketone bodies exogenously,
• 25:40
  have them in a fasted state when they go in.
• 25:42
  So basically they're protecting the healthy cells
• 25:44
  and driving the radiation into the cancer cells.
• 25:46
  Wow.
• 25:47
  Super cool.
• 25:47
  We can even get things like high, high dose melatonin around that
• 25:51
  or high, high dose astragalus and it potentiates.
• 25:53
  Those are radiosensitizers.
• 25:55
  So they make the cancer cells more susceptible to the radiation
• 25:59
  and both of those by themselves are incredibly protective of our healthy cells.
• 26:03
  So you can harness the power of standard of care
• 26:06
  and enhance it with these integrative, well-curated, well-placed therapies.
• 26:10
  Tools.
• 26:11
  Yeah, exactly.
• 26:12
  So there's that piece.
• 26:13
  And then we started coming up later.
• 26:15
  We started coming up with targeted therapies, like everyone's heard of Avastin, which is
• 26:18
  a baso-endothelial growth.
• 26:20
  I haven't heard of Avastin.
• 26:21
  So if you are familiar with targeted therapies, that's one that's really famous for targeting
• 26:25
  a particular angiogenesis growth factor, which is where the tumors take over the blood vessels
• 26:31
  to nourish them, to take all the resources from the healthy tissue.
• 26:34
  So that drug was blocking.
• 26:36
  We were all excited.
• 26:37
  Ooh, Blockbuster, here's the answer.
• 26:39
  It's never an answer.
• 26:39
  It's a whack-a-mole.
• 26:41
  You push down this part and you stimulate this part.
• 26:43
  This is what we've evolved to and from.
• 26:45
  We've also evolved from thinking, as I said before, that this is a genetic disease.
• 26:49
  So we keep seeking the single target and the single treatment.
• 26:53
  And that has not gotten us very far.
• 26:55
  And in fact, there's something known as the 17-year gap in research, meaning it takes
• 27:00
  an average of 17 years from the bench to the bedside, meaning it takes 17 years to evaluate,
• 27:05
  study, pay enormous amounts of money, go through a lot of stuff before it becomes available to the
• 27:10
  public.
• 27:11
  And even with that, in the last two decades, we've managed to, at best, with the
• 27:16
  types of drugs that have been brought to market over the past 20 years for oncology, at best,
• 27:22
  they've extended our life by 2.4 months.
• 27:24
  What?
• 27:26
  And that's what's really frustrating.
• 27:27
  It's like,
• 27:28
  like, guys, we can do better.
• 27:29
  And here's what's really weird is in standard of care,
• 27:31
  the news is so bad, we normalized it.
• 27:33
  And now we celebrate when someone lives to 2.6 months saying
• 27:36
  that was an amazing outcome.
• 27:39
  It's just not working.
• 27:40
  No, it's not working well enough.
• 27:41
  It's not working well enough.
• 27:42
  And what is the definition of using the same tools over and over
• 27:45
  again, expounding a different outcome?
• 27:47
  Insanity.
• 27:47
  Insanity.
• 27:48
  Yeah.
• 27:49
  We've covered so much in this
• 27:50
  first part with Dr. Naysha Winters, from her own diagnosis at just 19 years old to her mission
• 27:57
  that led her into more than three decades of work in metabolic oncology.
• 28:02
  What a great term.
• 28:03
  One of the biggest ideas we explored is the concept of terrain,
• 28:06
  the internal and external environment where illness can take root,
• 28:09
  and why supporting that environment matters alongside cancer treatment
• 28:13
  and in the prevention of it to begin with.
• 28:15
  In part two, we're going to move into the practical side,
• 28:17
  what Naysha calls Terrain 10,
• 28:19
  the major driver she looks at when assessing vulnerability,
• 28:22
  resilience, and how we can begin to support the body more intentionally.
• 28:27
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