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Credlin | 20 June · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krendland live on sky Ingins Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the show. Steve Price with you
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Speaker 2: again filling in for Peter Greglin. Peter will be back
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Speaker 2: next week with you on Monday night, and I'll be
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Speaker 2: back right here at the same time tomorrow night with
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Speaker 2: our Friday program. Here's what's coming up on Kredlin tonight.
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Speaker 2: Though my suburban street today in Melbourne overnight it was
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Speaker 2: plastered with anti Semitic stickers with a red cross through
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Speaker 2: a star of David and a flag of Israel and
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Speaker 2: talk of killing babies. A crowd called Free Palestine Printing
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Speaker 2: delivered these things. I don't know who stuck them on
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Speaker 2: the light poles and it comes a day after a
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Speaker 2: terror attack on Labour MP Josh Burns Electric office. I'll
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Speaker 2: talk to the Jewish Affairs Council about all of that.
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Speaker 2: It's disgraceful. Are you getting value out of your ABC
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Speaker 2: TV and radio? Many people say they're not. Media writer
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Speaker 2: Sophie Elsworth from The Australian will join us on the
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Speaker 2: new ABC Chairman Kim Williams in a speech last night,
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Speaker 2: what did he do well? He asked for increased funding.
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Speaker 2: Of course, and while the country is obsessing over what
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Speaker 2: will keep the lights on in twenty thirty or even
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Speaker 2: forty years, are timely warning from the actual organization responsible
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Speaker 2: for keeping the lights on now and the hot water
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Speaker 2: flowing today. AEMO warns a gas supply shortage as soon
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Speaker 2: as this winter, given how cold it is in the
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Speaker 2: southeast of Australia, that's not going to be good news.
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Speaker 2: And a shocknew US presidential poll that has, of all things,
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Speaker 2: got Joe Biden on the way back and it's a
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Speaker 2: Fox News poll poll. Details on that to come first
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Speaker 2: up though the last twenty four hours is revealed. I
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Speaker 2: think what a juvenile, negative debate we're going to have
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Speaker 2: around a plan for a future mix of energy that
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Speaker 2: would be a combination of all the resources available to Australia,
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Speaker 2: a country richer than just about anywhere else on the planet.
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Speaker 2: A coalition announcement yesterday that they would go to the
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Speaker 2: Australian people at an election with a proposal to use
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Speaker 2: our uranium stocks to create a nuclear industry to go
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Speaker 2: hand in hand with existing gas, hydro and emerging renewables
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Speaker 2: to guarantee reliable supplies of electricity has been met with
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Speaker 2: a combination of hysterical misinformation from state labor governments to
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Speaker 2: dismissive claims about nuclear power and its use in Australia
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Speaker 2: is nothing more than a Peter Dutton fantasy, they say,
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Speaker 2: So let's start with our prime minister. He turned up
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Speaker 2: on Sky this morning with Kieran Gilbert to waffle on
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Speaker 2: about how this was reckless, uncosted and dangerous. To his
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Speaker 2: great credit, Kieran attempted to get the Prime Minister to explain,
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Speaker 2: why not support the use of all energy assets we
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Speaker 2: have at our disposal? Anthony albernezi Well he was having
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Speaker 2: none of it, sticking to his talking points and trying
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Speaker 2: to make it about Peter Dutton, not about energy at all.
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Speaker 2: He was asked by Kieran if nuclear was good enough
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Speaker 2: for major economies in Europe and the US, then why
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Speaker 2: not Australia. He offered this bizarre response about frying eggs
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Speaker 2: on a footpath.
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Speaker 3: Listen to the experts, Karen, the International Energy Agency that
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Speaker 3: is very much pro nuclear energy, says that Australia is
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Speaker 3: not an appropriate venue because of the comparative advantages that
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Speaker 3: we have. Karen, if you go outside hit Australia, you
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Speaker 3: can fry an egg on a footpath during the summer.
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Speaker 3: We had the best solar resources in the world.
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Speaker 2: He's got to be joking. Seriously, it was five degrees
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Speaker 2: in Melbourne today. There was no wind, zero wind, So
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Speaker 2: what was keeping the lights on? Well col fired power.
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Speaker 2: We are not in a permanent state of summer, Prime Minister,
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Speaker 2: for ten months of the year. There's no egg frying
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Speaker 2: on footpaths, not even in Darwin in the Northern Territory.
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Speaker 2: He was also asked about the life span of giant
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Speaker 2: wind turbines compared with the life span of a nuclear reactor,
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Speaker 2: and we got this rant.
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Speaker 3: Have us believe that a mob had struggle to assemble
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Speaker 3: an ikea flat pack, going to start from scratch and
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Speaker 3: be able to develop a nuclear.
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Speaker 4: Energy industry in Australia.
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Speaker 3: What we know is that the cheapest form of new
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Speaker 3: energy is renewables.
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Speaker 2: Didn't get any better. I couldn't help but bursting into
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Speaker 2: laughter when the Prime Minister decided to take us down
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Speaker 2: the costings road, arguing nuclear was all too expensive, so
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Speaker 2: expensive that no one would want to build it. So
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Speaker 2: the Dutton plan was for taxpayers to fund the construction.
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Speaker 2: This was, by the way, before we even get costings
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Speaker 2: from the opposition.
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Speaker 3: The reason why there are no costings out there is
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Speaker 3: because it is so expensive, because it doesn't add up.
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Speaker 4: That's why they're trying to hide it.
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Speaker 3: Just as Peddie Dutton has said, we'll tell you what
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Speaker 3: we're going to do on twenty thirty after the election,
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Speaker 3: and I'll make this tip Kieren. There's a reason why
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Speaker 3: people hide costings, and that's course those costings would completely
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Speaker 3: rule out any rational person going down this nuclear road.
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Speaker 2: Now, can someone please remind the leader of our country
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Speaker 2: when you are talking costings and predictions that use the
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Speaker 2: CSIRO numbers that predict seven nuclear plants might cost one
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Speaker 2: hundred billion dollars? Can someone remind Anthony Albanezi that in
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Speaker 2: Victoria his own Labor party are planning to spend and
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Speaker 2: this cost will go up. Trust me two hundred and
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Speaker 2: sixteen point seven billion dollars or more than double the
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Speaker 2: seven plants to power Australia for one hundred years on
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Speaker 2: an underground train project that no one wants two hundred billion,
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Speaker 2: and Anthony Albanese is going on about one hundred billion
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Speaker 2: for seven nuclear plants, more than two hundred billion dollars.
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Speaker 2: It's a sixteen billion dollar blowout in a project that
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Speaker 2: was originally going to cost fifty billion. Seriously, the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister laughing at costings from the oppositions. He had a
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Speaker 2: look at what the NDIS is costing us every year.
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Speaker 2: And speaking of Victorian labor, they've got a Minister for
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Speaker 2: Energy by the name of Lily d Ambrosio. Now this
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Speaker 2: is the politician who plans to ban the domestic and
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Speaker 2: industrial use in Victoria of gas on all new builds.
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Speaker 2: Turn it off, no gas. So she was asked yesterday
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Speaker 2: about nuclear energy. Now, look, I don't want to scare
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Speaker 2: the children watching, but this is truly unhinged. This is
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Speaker 2: Lily de Ambrosio. She called nuclear dangerous and deadly. She
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Speaker 2: claimed we have had a plethora of failures of nuclear
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Speaker 2: reactors and all types of technologies that are prone to leak.
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Speaker 2: I'm not making this up. This woman is in charge
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Speaker 2: of energy policy in Victoria. She went on, when they leak,
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Speaker 2: they poison the environment, when they leak, they cause cancer.
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Speaker 2: Now I Checkedst d Ambrosio. I checked her qualifications to
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Speaker 2: make these allegations about a power source that numbers in
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Speaker 2: the hundreds, generating electricity for millions of people in Europe alone,
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Speaker 2: let alone China, the US, Canada. And how many of
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Speaker 2: these generators had leaked causing cancer and killing people. Well none, Lily.
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Speaker 2: What's her qualifications to be saying this stuff. Well, Lily's
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Speaker 2: got an arts degree from Melbourne University. She lives in
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Speaker 2: Melbourne's Greenee Central suburb of Brunswick, which by the way,
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Speaker 2: is seventeen kilometers away from her electorate of mill Park.
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Speaker 2: What an absolute embarrassment. It's head to Camber now for
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Speaker 2: tonight's political headlines. We're joined by Sky News political reporter
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Speaker 2: Trudy Macintosh.
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Speaker 5: The Opposition is so far resisting calls to release the
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Speaker 5: price tag of its nuclear power plan.
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Speaker 6: It's the first day.
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Speaker 5: Of fallout, the debate likely to rage all the way
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Speaker 5: until the election. The coalition pledging to build seven sites
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Speaker 5: across the country.
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Speaker 6: They've been boasting we've got costings. Will tell us what
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Speaker 6: they are, mister Dutton.
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Speaker 7: The approach that we've taken is the right one, and
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Speaker 7: that is to have a staged announcement in relation to
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Speaker 7: this policy.
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Speaker 5: As eoboss, Mike Burgers will remain in his role for
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Speaker 5: another five years. The Home Affairs Minister has confirmed mister
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Speaker 5: Burgess has been formally reappointed as Director General of Australia's
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Speaker 5: Intelligence Agency. He was first selected to lead the organization
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Speaker 5: by Prime Minister Morrison back in twenty nineteen. A report
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Speaker 5: card on the nation supermarkets has come in and it's
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Speaker 5: found that Aldi is the best value for money choice
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Speaker 5: found the supermarket is twenty five percent cheaper than Coal's
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Speaker 5: and Woolworths. Where you live also makes a difference. Shoppers
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Speaker 5: in Tasmania and the Northern Territory are paying more. This
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Speaker 5: snapshot will be published every three months to help customers
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Speaker 5: find better deals.
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Speaker 7: Information is power and the Albanesi government is putting that
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Speaker 7: power in the hands of consumers.
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Speaker 5: And Australia provides more aid to Papua New Guinea following
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Speaker 5: last month's deadly landslide. Two million dollars announced to help
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Speaker 5: fixed roads, health and education services. Foreign Minister Wong and
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Speaker 5: Defense Minister Miles two of the remote Anger Province. Today
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Speaker 5: we stand with you, met Bella, one time you. Thirteen
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Speaker 5: bodies have been recovered, another one hundred and sixty are
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Speaker 5: believed to be still buried. Trudy McIntosh Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 2: Now for look at the day's other News thanks to
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Speaker 2: that truty. By the way, big story Saursday Night regulars
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Speaker 2: joining media writer for The Australian Sophie Ellsworth and Deputy
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Speaker 2: Executive Director of the Institute of Public Affairs Daniel Are
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Speaker 2: welcome to you both. Let's start in Victoria. I was
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Speaker 2: just talking about Lily Diambrosio, the minister there. What a
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Speaker 2: shokashi is a surprise surprise. The state government has got
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Speaker 2: another project running over budget. Now this is the We
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Speaker 2: have to tell people around the country what this is.
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Speaker 2: This is the Metro rail tunnel. Not many people who
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Speaker 2: even live in Melbourne know where it goes from, where
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Speaker 2: it ends up, but it's now the budget's blown out
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Speaker 2: by more than three billion dollars. The builders are likely
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Speaker 2: now to seek more taxpayer cash to finish the job
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Speaker 2: after contingency funds ran out. Daniel, it seems like the
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Speaker 2: Victorian government is running some sort of wide elephant breeding program.
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Speaker 2: Do you know where that tunnel goes from?
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Speaker 1: And two No, I couldn't tell you, Steve, not could
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Speaker 1: I tell you about many of the other projects that
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Speaker 1: are supposed to.
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Speaker 6: Be up and running by now.
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Speaker 1: But this is a big problems Already twenty five percent
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Speaker 1: over budget. They're saying we need to have more cash
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Speaker 1: being put into it. This is a state that has
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Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty billion dollars in debt without any
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Speaker 1: idea of how this is going to be paid back.
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Speaker 1: And it reinforces the fundamental point that firstly this government
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Speaker 1: can't manage money, it can't manage the economy. Secondly, Victoria
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Speaker 1: is the economic basket case of the nation. They are
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Speaker 1: the lowest performing economy on key measures, whether it's to
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Speaker 1: do with business growth, whether it's to do with tax
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Speaker 1: or regulation. So this is reinforced that the economy is collapsing.
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Speaker 2: So Anthony Alberinezi today complaining that Peter Dutton's seven nuclear erectors,
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Speaker 2: what it goes to one hundred billion dollars. The suburban
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Speaker 2: rail loop is already at two hundred and sixteen point
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Speaker 2: seven billion, and it will go further than that. And
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Speaker 2: that goes from Cheltenham to box Hill. And I don't
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Speaker 2: I've never met a person who wants to go from
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Speaker 2: Cheltenham to box Hill that's nowhere to nowhere or nowhere
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Speaker 2: to somewhere to want to go.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's right, and not being unkind of box Hill, no,
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Speaker 1: but it's a boondoggle project that's designed for political reason,
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Speaker 1: it's not for economic or social reasons. Yes, build a
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Speaker 1: rail line to the airport. People are going to use that.
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Speaker 1: There's going to be value. But like you say, this
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Speaker 1: rail loop has no or very limited economic value, but
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Speaker 1: massive costs that are not accounted for.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just a disgrace. Now nearly installed. ABC checking
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Speaker 2: Williams apparently is looking at a dramatic shakeup at the
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Speaker 2: National broadcaster. He had made a speech last night. It
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Speaker 2: looks like he wants more money. He's going to aim
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Speaker 2: his anger, I guess at the underperforming radio arm. He's
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Speaker 2: also put his hand out for more money in the budget.
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Speaker 2: They already get a billion dollars a year. Sophie, you've
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Speaker 2: been pretty critical of the ABC and their ratings. Is
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Speaker 2: that what he is zeroing in on, Because we've got
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Speaker 2: to remember Kim Williams was a commercial animal at one point.
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Speaker 8: Well, Steve, just to remind you, as the ABC gets
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Speaker 8: one point one billion dollars annually of our money to
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Speaker 8: prop up the organization. That is a lot of money
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Speaker 8: and commercial broadcasters would be very envious of that amount
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Speaker 8: they get. Regardless, it doesn't matter if their ratings are
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Speaker 8: in the toilet.
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Speaker 2: Bowl one thousand million dollars.
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Speaker 5: That's right.
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Speaker 8: And in their latest annual report their audience reach this
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Speaker 8: financial year is at sixty seven percent. That's expected to
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Speaker 8: fall to sixty three percent. They've got declining audiences across
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Speaker 8: their radio the television arm and people are tuning out
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Speaker 8: of the ABC because it's no longer catering for the
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Speaker 8: average punters, catering to a select group of the community,
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Speaker 8: not widespread.
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Speaker 2: What's the bigger problem radio or television?
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Speaker 9: I would argue radio.
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Speaker 8: They have had a massive overhaul of radio, Steve, you
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Speaker 8: would know with your extensive radio career.
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Speaker 6: They've had to.
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Speaker 8: Absolutely try and turn things around. But their audiences have
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Speaker 8: been plummeting across all of their stations and all of
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Speaker 8: their networks.
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Speaker 2: I might help. I'm on ABC Morning Radio tomorrow Morning,
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Speaker 2: Great and outside broadcasts in the Preston market that'll be
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Speaker 2: brilliant with Fantastic Daniel. They do a ranking of the
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Speaker 2: most trusted media sources. I saw that came out overnight
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Speaker 2: and the ABC, which is always trumpeted the Australians trust
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Speaker 2: the ABC. They've slipped the number two ows BS has
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Speaker 2: gone to number one.
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Speaker 1: Wow, that's significant and the reason for that is building
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Speaker 1: what Sophie said, They don't represent the views of the
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Speaker 1: average Australian. You have to pay for the ABC and
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Speaker 1: they don't allow a debate. I mean always you have
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Speaker 1: to do is look at the Voice to Parliament. They
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Speaker 1: refuse to have those on the.
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Speaker 2: No side on.
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Speaker 1: Look at the climate debate, look at COVID. They refuse
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Speaker 1: to have both sides of debate represented. And that's why
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Speaker 1: a struding.
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Speaker 2: Into the way out someone Sophie, Sarah Ferguson treats Peter
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Speaker 2: Dutton or any of the Liberal ministers when they go
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Speaker 2: on it's Steve.
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Speaker 8: I will add in what Daniel's saying there with that
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Speaker 8: they won't have for example, the No campaign is a
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Speaker 8: lot on the conservative and the right leaning side. They
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Speaker 8: don't want to go on the ABC.
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Speaker 4: You look at Q and A and.
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Speaker 8: They have a panel absolutely stacked, as we saw in
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Speaker 8: the Voice all Yes campaigners and they struggle to get
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Speaker 8: a no.
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Speaker 2: And got stitched up. So why would you go back?
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Speaker 2: For you you can go back. It is official. Australia's
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Speaker 2: big spending labor state governments are adding, it seems to
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Speaker 2: the cost of inflation with all of these major projects,
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Speaker 2: the bill that could hit eight hundred billion by twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty eight of national debt. This comes a few days
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Speaker 2: after the Reserve Bank warned about inflation. Governments are adding
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Speaker 2: to that inflation problem. So it's the government who keeps
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Speaker 2: saying we want to fix the cost of living, but
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Speaker 2: they're causing part of the problem.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's right, and you add the federal debt, which
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Speaker 1: is approaching a trillion.
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Speaker 2: That's one point eight trillion.
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Speaker 1: Now our entire economy is about two point two to
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Speaker 1: two point three trillion, so we're really getting up there.
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Speaker 1: There's a couple of things here, Steve. Obviously, this spending
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Speaker 1: is inflationary, so it's cranking up demand. We've got mass migration,
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Speaker 1: which is increasing demand. At the same time as our
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Speaker 1: supply capacity is coming down. Our productivity growth is dropping,
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Speaker 1: So you've got those two problems at the same time.
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Speaker 1: The government's got no answers for how to firstly pay
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Speaker 1: down the debt or secondly, how to get the economy
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Speaker 1: growing in a way that's not dependent on population growth.
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Speaker 1: But we're actually getting productivity moving. So this is a
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Speaker 1: pretty fundamental financial problem that we're facing.
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Speaker 2: And Sophy. I don't know if you saw much of
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Speaker 2: the coverage today of the reaction from labor to the
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Speaker 2: Dutton nuclear plans. It's childish. They're putting out cartoons of
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Speaker 2: three eyed fish outside nuclear plants and talking about snow
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Speaker 2: White and the seven Dwarfs and having them as reactors.
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Speaker 2: Can't we have a sensible, grown up debate now. If
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Speaker 2: you go out there and talk to people in the
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Speaker 2: street and do you want cheaper electricity? Yes? Are you
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Speaker 2: running a business and do you need it all the time? Yes?
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Speaker 2: Would you like every sort of resource to give you
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Speaker 2: that electricity?
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Speaker 4: People go yes.
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Speaker 8: But I think Steve, this shows to me that the
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Speaker 8: government is concerned about this. This is a threat to
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Speaker 8: them because for once there is a real point of
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Speaker 8: difference now between whether you're going to vote for the
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Speaker 8: government or the opposition. And I think Peter Dutton has
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Speaker 8: obviously made that decision to go down this route. We
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Speaker 8: still need to know a lot more about it, such
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Speaker 8: as the costings, But yes, putting out images of three
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Speaker 8: headed fish and whatever, I don't think that's going to really.
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Speaker 2: Disguise credit today. They were the only networkers I understand
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Speaker 2: that went to every location of where those seven reactors
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Speaker 2: will be and they spoke to real people. They went
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Speaker 2: into pubs, they went into shopping centers. They got a
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Speaker 2: mixed feedback on whether you'd want it there or not,
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Speaker 2: which is natural. But the majority of what I saw
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Speaker 2: were saying, well, if it brings jobs, means my powers,
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Speaker 2: reliable and cheaper, bring it on.
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Speaker 5: Well.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's important leadership from Peter Dutton and the
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Speaker 1: Coalition to take this big policy to the people. The
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Speaker 1: point on cost is a critical one, and I just
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Speaker 1: think about it from this perspective. Labour's saying we need
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Speaker 1: about twenty thousand klometers of transmission lines, plus the big towers,
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Speaker 1: plus the concrete wind towers. There's no costing, no costing
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Speaker 1: on that, and they're going to plug it in and
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Speaker 1: develop an entirely new system with the nuclear panets. You've
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Speaker 1: got a cold plant, you take that out, you put
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Speaker 1: the nuclear plan in. How is that more expensive than
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Speaker 1: what Labour's doing now?
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Speaker 2: And what does Chris Bone say if you say to him, Okay,
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Speaker 2: if you want the complete costing of Peter Dutton's plan
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Speaker 2: to build nuclear reactors, can we have the complete costing
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Speaker 2: of what it's going to cost a carpet bottom of
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Speaker 2: the country with solar panels, wind turbines and transmission lines,
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Speaker 2: and what are you saying to all of those farmers
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Speaker 2: out in regional Australia and go, how come we've got
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Speaker 2: to wear the cost of all? Is no one in
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Speaker 2: Manly or Brighton in Melbourne's going to be having a
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Speaker 2: wind turbine stuck up in front of them. I mean
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Speaker 2: both sides. I just would and hope that we could
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Speaker 2: have some sort of mature, adult debate. It's not going
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Speaker 2: to happen. I don't think.
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Speaker 8: It doesn't seem that way, Steve. And it was interesting
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Speaker 8: this morning Chris Bowen was on Radio National and they
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Speaker 8: asked him, are you going to say the same line
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Speaker 8: that he did back at twenty nineteen election, where it
18:16
Speaker 8: was something like if you.
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Speaker 5: Don't like us, don't vote for us.
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Speaker 8: And I noticed he was incredibly guarded. He knew that
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Speaker 8: was a mistake when he said it. He is really
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Speaker 8: being careful with what he says. But I think they're
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Speaker 8: just going on this childish attack. They're not trying to
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Speaker 8: fight the argument enough and that could do them damage.
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Speaker 2: Speaking about childish, a Fox poll in the United States
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Speaker 2: shows Joe Biden has slightly come back Daniel on his numbers.
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump stood up today and suggested that perhaps they
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Speaker 2: were using the Hunter Biden cocaine from the White House
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Speaker 2: to get Joe out to the debate, which I thought
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Speaker 2: it was a bit rough. That's the first time though,
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Speaker 2: that Biden's gone back forward in the polls. Yep.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Look, that's right, and I think Trump would be
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Speaker 1: concerned about that. We know that the polls are polls
18:59
Speaker 1: and indicate how people feel at the moment, not necessarily
19:02
Speaker 1: how they're going to vote. But at the moment, Trump
19:04
Speaker 1: is still ahead in all the key swing states, whether
19:07
Speaker 1: it's Pennsylvania or Wisconsin and so forth, which is what
19:09
Speaker 1: really matters in the American system. Look, I think that
19:12
Speaker 1: when we have the debates, when Trump gets out there more,
19:14
Speaker 1: he'll pull that back. But no doubt Trump would be
19:16
Speaker 1: concerned about that.
19:17
Speaker 2: So it was a Fox News poll of all bolts.
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Speaker 4: It was Steve.
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Speaker 8: But look, we've got a long way the elections, not
19:23
Speaker 8: until November. There's an awful lot that can happen between
19:26
Speaker 8: then and now, and we also have their first debate
19:29
Speaker 8: between the two in the next.
19:31
Speaker 2: Two weeks tomorrow. That's an live on Sky. It's a
19:34
Speaker 2: c and N debate, that's right, where the rules and
19:36
Speaker 2: regulations are no live audience. Yeah, they're going to mute
19:39
Speaker 2: the microphone when each of the other is talking, but
19:43
Speaker 2: it's going to be run by a CNN moderator. So
19:46
Speaker 2: the cards are stacked against Donald Trump. But if he
19:49
Speaker 2: wins that debate, they're going to have to I mean,
19:51
Speaker 2: this has been this bizarre theory that people like Barack
19:54
Speaker 2: Obama and Bill Clinton and others are going to take
19:58
Speaker 2: him aside and say, Joe times up.
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Speaker 8: And it's whether he fumbles too, Isn't it? Like we
20:03
Speaker 8: know he gets his words confused, he says the wrong
20:06
Speaker 8: names of people and places, and you know he could,
20:09
Speaker 8: you know, embarrass himself.
20:10
Speaker 2: It's going to be great to see him watch it live.
20:12
Speaker 2: Thank you both for coming in now after the break.
20:14
Speaker 2: How on earth is it still just local police investigating
20:17
Speaker 2: these spade of anti Semitic attacks we've seen. I told
20:20
Speaker 2: you about my street today plastered with anti Semitic posters
20:24
Speaker 2: and stickers. This needs to be escalated to the federal level.
20:28
Speaker 2: Will someone gets seriously hurt? Plus sorting fact from fiction
20:31
Speaker 2: and the scare campaign ramps up on nuclear Energy. Welcome
20:38
Speaker 2: back to Steve Price in for Peter Kredlin. She'll be
20:40
Speaker 2: back with you on Monday night. Now, I want to
20:42
Speaker 2: go back to that dangerous attack on the electric office
20:45
Speaker 2: of Labor MP Josh Burns in suburbans and Kilda yesterday
20:49
Speaker 2: or early yesterday morning. Josh is a Jewish federal MP. Now,
20:55
Speaker 2: as I said last night, it's a miracle that nobody
20:57
Speaker 2: was badly hurt in that attack. There's an apartment above
21:01
Speaker 2: that actual office with people living there. Two fires will
21:06
Speaker 2: lit out the front. Now, make no mistake, these attacks
21:09
Speaker 2: are not simmering down. They're not getting less. They're escalating.
21:14
Speaker 6: Now.
21:14
Speaker 2: I hope nobody's going to get heard here, but I
21:16
Speaker 2: fear soon someone could. Now, those people who attacked that
21:19
Speaker 2: office were armed with hammers, they had fire extinguishers full
21:23
Speaker 2: of red paint. They lit fires with kerosene, and this
21:28
Speaker 2: all happened at three point thirty in the morning. Common
21:30
Speaker 2: sense would say, in the light of escalating attacks, police
21:33
Speaker 2: would ramp up their efforts to crack down on this.
21:35
Speaker 2: But as far as I'm aware today, crickets from the police,
21:38
Speaker 2: no suggestion that they're chasing down the people who did this,
21:42
Speaker 2: and no suggestion of any arrests. They're investigating all of
21:45
Speaker 2: the attacks individually, but where's a task force? Where are
21:49
Speaker 2: the AFP? This office is the property of a federal MP.
21:53
Speaker 2: For more on this, I'm joined by Jamie Hymes from
21:55
Speaker 2: the Australian Israel and Jewish Affairs Council. Jamie I last
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Speaker 2: night and said that I think we need to up
22:02
Speaker 2: our language when we describe these incidents, and I don't
22:07
Speaker 2: think it's an overreach to suggest that that attack on
22:10
Speaker 2: his office was a terrorist attack.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, thanks, thanks for having me, Steven. I think you're right.
22:18
Speaker 7: I mean, when you look at the simple definition of terrorism,
22:21
Speaker 7: it's the use of illegal violence to achieve political means.
22:25
Speaker 7: So no one can argue that the attack on Josh's
22:27
Speaker 7: office wasn't illegal. No one can argue that it wasn't violent,
22:30
Speaker 7: and it was clearly to achieve political means. So I
22:33
Speaker 7: think you're absolutely right, and I think more needs to
22:35
Speaker 7: be done to combat this. As you say, this is
22:37
Speaker 7: escalating and escalating. You know, we saw horrific scenes at
22:41
Speaker 7: the Sydney Opera House on the night of October the ninth,
22:43
Speaker 7: where the crowd, on the kindest interpretation was screaming where's
22:47
Speaker 7: the Jews? And if the Jews then we had riots
22:50
Speaker 7: outside a synagogue in Corefield in November which forced the
22:55
Speaker 7: synagogue to be evacuated on the Friday night's Shabbat service.
22:59
Speaker 7: And it's just been going on and on. You know,
23:01
Speaker 7: there was horrific graffiti outside the main Jewish school in
23:04
Speaker 7: Melbourne Mound Scopists. And more needs to be done about this,
23:07
Speaker 7: from the police, from the authorities. The Jewish community can't
23:09
Speaker 7: keep on living in fear as we are. I've never
23:12
Speaker 7: in my lifetime had to feel like my community is
23:16
Speaker 7: living in fear as we are now. You know, we're
23:18
Speaker 7: being docksed, we're being ostracized. People, Jewish people having businesses
23:23
Speaker 7: in the Northern suburbs have had to move down to
23:25
Speaker 7: Corfield to be able to continue to make their livelihood.
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Speaker 7: It's just enough, you know, we need the government to
23:30
Speaker 7: come out more strongly about this. It's enough that they're saying,
23:33
Speaker 7: you know, they can't say anti Semitism without saying Islamophobia.
23:37
Speaker 7: I mean, the police have put out figures just recently
23:40
Speaker 7: about the number of complaints they've been getting and they
23:43
Speaker 7: had one hundred and ninety seven relevant complaints eighty eight
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Speaker 7: of them were for anti Semitism, sixteen for Islamophobia, and
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Speaker 7: of the rest eighty seven of them were about anti
23:54
Speaker 7: Israel incidents and six were about anti Palestinian incidents. So
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Speaker 7: we need a sense of proportion here, comun He needs
24:00
Speaker 7: to feel safe in Australia and it's up to the
24:02
Speaker 7: authorities to make sure that we are.
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Speaker 2: Jamie, I've lived in Melbourne on and off from most
24:09
Speaker 2: of my life. I've lived in suburbs with large Jewish
24:11
Speaker 2: populations there. I am this morning, early in the morning,
24:15
Speaker 2: walking back from getting where I go every morning in
24:18
Speaker 2: Chapel Street to get a coffee and walking up a
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Speaker 2: suburban side street and I came across these stickers. They
24:24
Speaker 2: were all over the place, from one end of the
24:26
Speaker 2: street to the other. They were on lamp posts, one
24:31
Speaker 2: was on a skip bin. It's clear that these tensions
24:34
Speaker 2: are getting worse. I mean, look at these things. I
24:37
Speaker 2: mean there's a name on it about who prints them.
24:43
Speaker 2: But somebody's going out there printing these things. Presumably they're
24:46
Speaker 2: being sold online, someone's paying for them. I've never known
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Speaker 2: a Melbourne to be like this ever.
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Speaker 7: No, you're absolutely right, and you know people can say
24:57
Speaker 7: it's against Israel, it's against nine anti Semitic. But the
25:00
Speaker 7: fact is anti Zionism is anti Semitism. Anti Zionism means
25:06
Speaker 7: denying the right of the Jewish people to have self
25:09
Speaker 7: determination in the Jewish homeland. And if you're denying that
25:13
Speaker 7: to the Jewish people and demanding it for everyone else,
25:16
Speaker 7: then you're clearly being anti Semitic. And another thing about
25:20
Speaker 7: the attack on Josh Burns's office, you know the slogan
25:22
Speaker 7: that was written on his face. Apart from the devil's horns,
25:24
Speaker 7: which are clearly anti Semitic, the slogan that was written
25:27
Speaker 7: across the post of his face was just as well
25:30
Speaker 7: as being nasty and anisthdic, it was stupid. You know,
25:32
Speaker 7: you're calling Zionism fascism, when, as I said, all it
25:35
Speaker 7: is is is the desire for the Jews to have
25:38
Speaker 7: the right of self determination. But Israel's about the only
25:41
Speaker 7: country in the Middle East it's not fascist. And they're
25:43
Speaker 7: supporting Hamas, which is clearly a fascist organization. They kill
25:47
Speaker 7: people for disagreeing with them. You're supporting the Palestinian authority.
25:50
Speaker 7: Perhaps where President Mahmudabus is now in the nineteenth year
25:55
Speaker 7: of his four year term where journalists are beaten up
25:58
Speaker 7: for writing you know things about him, and yet they're
26:01
Speaker 7: call anxieties and fascism. It's just ridiculous. It's a complete
26:04
Speaker 7: inversion of reality.
26:08
Speaker 2: Just quickly before you go, you went to some of
26:10
Speaker 2: the sites of those October seven attacks, How did you
26:13
Speaker 2: find that? Emotionally?
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Speaker 7: It was very confronting, and you can see the absolute
26:20
Speaker 7: destruction and devastation that the terrorists wrought on those kibbutzim,
26:24
Speaker 7: on those kibutzers. We went to the Nova site where
26:26
Speaker 7: there's posters of each of the victims.
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Speaker 2: We met.
26:29
Speaker 7: We met Mozil, who was a survivor of the Nova massacre,
26:33
Speaker 7: and she was on Shari last night and you know
26:35
Speaker 7: she only survived because the terrorists thought she was dead
26:38
Speaker 7: and her friends weren't so fortunate. But even more confronting
26:41
Speaker 7: is we saw a forty seven minute film of some
26:44
Speaker 7: of the horrific things that I must did on October seven,
26:47
Speaker 7: mostly taken from their own body cameras. Because they were
26:49
Speaker 7: so proud of what they did, they wanted everyone to
26:51
Speaker 7: see it. And the things that you saw on that film,
26:54
Speaker 7: and it wasn't the worst. We were sured it was
26:55
Speaker 7: not the worst. You know, you see a photo of
26:58
Speaker 7: a bus stop of elderly people waiting for the bus,
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Speaker 7: and then you see another photo more lying and pools
27:04
Speaker 7: of blood. You see terrorists having a poor innocent civilian
27:07
Speaker 7: kneeling in front of them, pointing a gun at them
27:09
Speaker 7: and shooting them. You saw a soldier, dead soldier having
27:13
Speaker 7: his head hacked off. You know, they fortunately didn't show
27:18
Speaker 7: us people being set on fire, but what we did
27:21
Speaker 7: see was bodies burnt to crisps and some of them
27:24
Speaker 7: had their arms bound with wires. And so when people
27:27
Speaker 7: are wearing the Harmask emblem and when people are supporting Hamus,
27:31
Speaker 7: this is what they're supporting. It's the very worst of barbarism.
27:34
Speaker 7: It's at least equal to what Islamic State was doing.
27:37
Speaker 7: And it's just appalling that people should support that. And
27:40
Speaker 7: if people are wearing the Hummus emblem, then to my mind,
27:43
Speaker 7: they're in breach of the Crimes Act, they're in breach
27:46
Speaker 7: of all morality, and again the authority should do something
27:49
Speaker 7: about it.
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Speaker 2: Horrific stuff. Jamie him, thank you very much for your
27:54
Speaker 2: time and your advocacy. I really appreciate it. All right,
27:57
Speaker 2: let's get back into this nuclear discussion scare painting. We
28:00
Speaker 2: know it's well and truly underway. There's a lot up
28:03
Speaker 2: in the air when it comes to the coalition proposal,
28:06
Speaker 2: but some of the retoric from labor so far today
28:08
Speaker 2: has been absurd. Joining me now to sort fact from fiction,
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Speaker 2: I hope, Director of Energy Research at the Center for
28:14
Speaker 2: Independent Studies, Aidan Morrison, Aiden, great to have you with us.
28:18
Speaker 2: You're an energy expert. Bring some sense to this argument.
28:22
Speaker 2: What did you make of the announcement yesterday? What are
28:24
Speaker 2: the pros and the cons in what inter announced?
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Speaker 10: Yeah, I think it's a very brave announcement to come
28:34
Speaker 10: forward and name the individual sites. I think that takes
28:36
Speaker 10: quite a bit of courage to say these are the
28:38
Speaker 10: places where it might be, because it gives rise to
28:41
Speaker 10: the possibility that people in those individual electorates don't like it,
28:44
Speaker 10: or activists to shift to those spaces to try to
28:46
Speaker 10: create the impression that it's not wanted by the community.
28:49
Speaker 10: So I think it's a very bold move. But I
28:52
Speaker 10: think on the other hand, it does give certainty to
28:54
Speaker 10: people that this is a serious policy, that there are
28:58
Speaker 10: going to be some answers to questions. All the questions
29:01
Speaker 10: can't be answered immediately, But it shows that I think
29:03
Speaker 10: the coalition is serious about trying to provide serious answer
29:07
Speaker 10: to the serious questions. Look, I'm a big supporter of
29:10
Speaker 10: nuclear I'm very comfortable. I studied some nuclear physics university
29:12
Speaker 10: with nuclear energy. I'd happily have some nuclear waste to
29:15
Speaker 10: the bottom of my backyard. So there's part of me
29:18
Speaker 10: that sort of wishes that a few more sites were
29:19
Speaker 10: left on the table. But I do get that it's
29:22
Speaker 10: important to give clarity uncertainty here, and I think that
29:25
Speaker 10: they've chosen a host of very sensible, eminently good coal sites,
29:28
Speaker 10: which is where you'd logically put it because it's a
29:30
Speaker 10: base load, firm power source and connecting to existing transmission
29:34
Speaker 10: just makes sense. So I think that we can decarbonize
29:38
Speaker 10: quite credibly and support a strong economy by using these
29:42
Speaker 10: sites and no more for the foreseeable future.
29:48
Speaker 2: We had a Victorian energy minister by the name of
29:51
Speaker 2: Lily de Ambrosio yesterday she blurted out that the nuclear
29:56
Speaker 2: plants were dangerous, they leave, they cause cancer. I went
30:00
Speaker 2: back and had a look, and I've been to full
30:02
Speaker 2: Kashima in Japan, which was knocked over, as we know,
30:04
Speaker 2: by a tidal wave after an earthquake. Not one person
30:08
Speaker 2: died because of the meltdown of that actual nuclear plant.
30:13
Speaker 2: How safe are they.
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Speaker 10: I think they're remarkably safe. They've got a huge amount
30:22
Speaker 10: better since the Chernobyl accident. But even if you consider
30:25
Speaker 10: the Schernobyl accident, which was a much less safe design,
30:29
Speaker 10: nothing like that's ever been built in the West, and
30:31
Speaker 10: it won't be modern Western reactors. They can't blow up
30:35
Speaker 10: as Chernobyl did. We call it a meltdown because that's
30:37
Speaker 10: the worst that can happen. They just melt down. And
30:40
Speaker 10: as we saw in the case of Fukushima, even those
30:43
Speaker 10: they built so safely that you can have a very
30:45
Speaker 10: serious meltdown and still have no one die. And just
30:48
Speaker 10: in terms of I think the consideration of how we
30:50
Speaker 10: would I mean how you would wish terrible accidents and
30:53
Speaker 10: industrial accidents to look. Wiping off a few billion dollars
30:56
Speaker 10: worth of capital assets but not having anyone die is
30:59
Speaker 10: not actually the terrible outcome. So fu Kushima, given how
31:02
Speaker 10: extreme the earthquakes were and the natural disaster, I actually
31:06
Speaker 10: think it's something of a testament to how safe nuclear
31:10
Speaker 10: power really is. And not to say that it could
31:12
Speaker 10: not have been safer. There were still things that we
31:14
Speaker 10: can and have been improved in nuclear reactor design since then,
31:18
Speaker 10: which is to be welcomed. But really Fukushima overall far
31:23
Speaker 10: from the worst industrial accident that we've had in recent years.
31:28
Speaker 2: Well, we make a great point. I mean, when I
31:30
Speaker 2: was in fu Kushima, I saw a ferry boat that
31:33
Speaker 2: had been pushed three kilometers inland that ended up in
31:36
Speaker 2: a tree. A whole airport was completely wiped out, and
31:41
Speaker 2: you know, the populations had to flee that tidal wave.
31:44
Speaker 2: And yet for Kushima, you know, largely remained intact. The
31:48
Speaker 2: other thing is cost. Invariably we're going to get into
31:52
Speaker 2: a debate about cost. I note today that some of
31:55
Speaker 2: the labor politicians were saying, oh, well, you know these
31:58
Speaker 2: seven reactors could cost one hundred billion dollars. Well, that
32:02
Speaker 2: sounds like a lot of money, but they last for
32:04
Speaker 2: a lifetime, as opposed to the solar panels and wind
32:09
Speaker 2: turbines that have a natural end of life which is
32:12
Speaker 2: much shorter.
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Speaker 10: That's exactly right. So I think that the cost debate
32:18
Speaker 10: has just about been closed out now as well. Just
32:22
Speaker 10: a couple of weeks ago, the CSIRO released their gen
32:25
Speaker 10: cost report and for the first time included large scale
32:28
Speaker 10: nuclear and that resulted in their projected costs of nuclear
32:32
Speaker 10: energy falling by a factor of three from their last
32:35
Speaker 10: cherry picked estimate of a particular small modular reactor project.
32:38
Speaker 10: So costs have ben come down a lot according to
32:41
Speaker 10: the CSIRO. And when you account for that long lifetime,
32:44
Speaker 10: and you account for the fact that you can leave
32:46
Speaker 10: nuclear power on for up to or even over ninety
32:49
Speaker 10: percent of the time, actually it already shows under that
32:52
Speaker 10: analysis that nuclear power is cost competitive. So I think
32:56
Speaker 10: that the cost argument on close inspection is actually looking
32:59
Speaker 10: very much better for nuclear power relative to renewables once
33:03
Speaker 10: you account for all the firming costs. So that's I
33:06
Speaker 10: think an argument that I think I'm very happy to.
33:08
Speaker 4: Have and we should be having.
33:10
Speaker 10: And it's disappointing to see that those questions are not
33:12
Speaker 10: the ones we're debating anymore. It seems to be just
33:15
Speaker 10: really scam angering and kind of quite silly campaigns that
33:19
Speaker 10: are being mounted right at the moment.
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Speaker 2: Aid Morrison, great to have your expertise, Thank you very
33:25
Speaker 2: much for joining us tonight on Gredlin coming up after
33:28
Speaker 2: the break. Just how concerned should we be when Vladimir
33:31
Speaker 2: Putin and Kim Jong un get together and sign a
33:34
Speaker 2: new defense agreement. Plus a bit later on, you won't
33:37
Speaker 2: believe how many businesses, well you might believe it if
33:40
Speaker 2: you're in business yourself, how many businesses have gone under
33:43
Speaker 2: as insolvencies in this country Australia hit a record high.
33:52
Speaker 2: Welcome back to Steve Price with you don't forget to
33:54
Speaker 2: join us for six o'clock tomorrow night for our normal
33:57
Speaker 2: Friday show. Now, the world's been watching this meeting between
34:00
Speaker 2: Russian President Vladimir Putin. He's visit to North Korea. It's
34:04
Speaker 2: the first time he's been there in nearly quarter of
34:05
Speaker 2: a century. All smiles between him and Kim Jong un.
34:10
Speaker 2: The two leaders signed a new mutual defense pact, and
34:13
Speaker 2: we read this afternoon that in fact, the Russian Putin
34:17
Speaker 2: took along a president of a limousine, an armor plated limousine,
34:23
Speaker 2: which he gave to the Korean leader. More of what
34:25
Speaker 2: this might will mean, Let's bring in the director at
34:27
Speaker 2: Strategic Analysis, Australian Michael Schubridge limousine aside. This defense packed
34:34
Speaker 2: is it anything new or is it just rolling over
34:36
Speaker 2: one that already existed?
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Speaker 11: I think it is new and important news. I think
34:43
Speaker 11: it shows us how needy Putin is to supply his
34:47
Speaker 11: war against Ukraine. But it also shows he's in that
34:51
Speaker 11: war for the long term. He desperately needs more munitions
34:55
Speaker 11: and missiles from North Korea. But it also shows something
35:00
Speaker 11: we had. The Europeans see China as a security problem
35:04
Speaker 11: because of their support to Putin in his war in Ukraine.
35:08
Speaker 11: And now we've got Asian powers seeing that Russia is
35:12
Speaker 11: a security problem for us, all because of this connection.
35:17
Speaker 4: To North Korea.
35:18
Speaker 11: So really, this meeting and these agreements show us that
35:22
Speaker 11: the partnership between China, Russia, and North Korea is a
35:27
Speaker 11: shared strategic problem for the democracies of Europe and the
35:31
Speaker 11: Indo Pacific. These authoritarian powers are working much more closely together,
35:36
Speaker 11: and that means that we democracies need to do the same.
35:42
Speaker 2: What sort of armaments Michael does Korea make and what
35:46
Speaker 2: are they giving Russia to use in Ukraine?
35:51
Speaker 4: Toillry shells is the big one.
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Speaker 11: They've already been supplying millions oftillry shells to the Russians.
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Speaker 11: These are a variable quality and they're old. They're older
36:04
Speaker 11: than Kim Johngan's time in leadership, So a bunch of
36:07
Speaker 11: them aren't working. But it's like that saying, you know,
36:12
Speaker 11: in the Kingdom of the blind, the one man, the
36:14
Speaker 11: one eyed man is king. These shells are far better
36:18
Speaker 11: than Russia running out of shells. So it's artillery shells
36:22
Speaker 11: and missiles, and what Kim's getting in exchange will be
36:26
Speaker 11: economic assistance to feed his starving people, and technology, nuclear
36:32
Speaker 11: and missile technology.
36:36
Speaker 4: And a new car.
36:36
Speaker 2: Apparently. Let's talk about the Middle East escalation now between
36:39
Speaker 2: Israel and Hezbola in southern Lebanon. Israel's foreign minister warning
36:44
Speaker 2: that a decision on an all out war with that
36:47
Speaker 2: terror group is coming soon. How dangerous is.
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Speaker 4: That that would? Really?
36:54
Speaker 11: Hezbola is already in this war, but they're in it
36:58
Speaker 11: in a much more limited fat than they could be.
37:02
Speaker 11: They have at least a couple one hundred thousand rockets
37:05
Speaker 11: and missiles, some of them precision missiles that can hit
37:09
Speaker 11: Israel's major population centers, and they've got well armed troops.
37:14
Speaker 4: But the Israelis will.
37:16
Speaker 11: Be more than a match for them. The real concern
37:20
Speaker 11: is to do the Israelis get bogged down in southern Lebanon?
37:24
Speaker 11: And what does Iran do? Because they're the key backer
37:27
Speaker 11: of Hezbola.
37:30
Speaker 2: What does Lebanon do. I mean, Hezbela is based just
37:34
Speaker 2: over the border. As we know, those Israeli areas on
37:37
Speaker 2: the Israeli side have all been cleared out of people.
37:40
Speaker 2: What does Lebanon say when Israel starts attacking in a
37:44
Speaker 2: full scale conflict or war across in the border in Lebanon.
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Speaker 11: Well, it's pretty clear that the Lebanese people do not
37:53
Speaker 11: want Hezbola to go to war. But Hezbola is laced
37:57
Speaker 11: into Lebanese society and politics in a very big way,
38:02
Speaker 11: and so most of the Lebanese people are not going
38:05
Speaker 11: to have a choice.
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Speaker 4: Although I think.
38:08
Speaker 11: You're right to think that has Bolla getting involved in
38:12
Speaker 11: a war now is probably going to undercut their future
38:16
Speaker 11: political position in Lebanon. They're not going to get the
38:20
Speaker 11: support that Hamas got early on for their atrocious, appalling brutality.
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Speaker 2: You happy with the announcement this afternoon that ASIO boss
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Speaker 2: Mike Burgess has been reappointed. He's got that role for
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Speaker 2: another five years. Is he doing a good job?
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Speaker 11: Well, I think he's one of the few senior officials
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Speaker 11: that actually seem still allowed to speak publicly.
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Speaker 4: That's good, but I'd encourage.
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Speaker 11: Him to be more honest and frank with the Australian
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Speaker 11: people and occasionally name some of the countries that are
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Speaker 11: causing us problems. This idea that he can talk generally
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Speaker 11: without naming the most malign actors, I think puts us
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Speaker 11: all at a disadvantage.
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Speaker 2: Good to see you, Michael Schubridge, as usual, Thanks a lot.
39:10
Speaker 2: We'll talk soon coming up after the break. You won't
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Speaker 2: believe how much of Queensland is up for grabs under
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Speaker 2: pending legal challenges for native title. I'll be talking with
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Speaker 2: my panel about that after this. Welcome back to Steve
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Speaker 2: Price with you. Let's bring our Thursday night panel One
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Speaker 2: Nation chief of Staff James Ashby joins us as he
39:32
Speaker 2: does with Peter every Thursday night, and Terry Barnes from
39:35
Speaker 2: The Spectator Australia. Gentlemen, welcome to you both. Now we
39:38
Speaker 2: know cost of living pressures are hitting families really hard.
39:41
Speaker 2: That's really mainly what the media talks about. But we've
39:45
Speaker 2: got some figures today that show businesses are also being
39:48
Speaker 2: hit really hard. The latest figures from ASEX show insolvency's
39:52
Speaker 2: hit a record high last month. They're up forty four
39:54
Speaker 2: percent year on year. This is just extraordinary. I was
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Speaker 2: actually Terry going to suggest to my mate Ross Greenwood,
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Speaker 2: who runs money news on Sky, that he runs a
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Speaker 2: little meter perhaps at the bottom of the screen, and
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Speaker 2: every time a business falls over, that number ticks over.
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Speaker 2: It might be grim viewing, but boy, twelve hundred businesses
40:13
Speaker 2: going bust in May alone, that's horrific. It is, Stephen.
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Speaker 9: I think it comes down to a lot of things.
40:22
Speaker 9: It comes down to interest rates, it comes down to inflation,
40:25
Speaker 9: the cost of living, generally overborrowing. But look, it's all
40:30
Speaker 9: a matter of competence in investing, competence in running a business,
40:34
Speaker 9: and that's where governments actually can do something useful to help,
40:37
Speaker 9: I mean by creating that confidence. But what we have federally,
40:41
Speaker 9: you have a government that doesn't seem to know whether
40:43
Speaker 9: it's Arthur or Marth when it comes to the economy,
40:45
Speaker 9: when it comes to cost of living, when it comes
40:46
Speaker 9: to businesses. I mean what we need, I think is
40:50
Speaker 9: at both federal and state level a bit of government
40:53
Speaker 9: competence building and when it comes to businesses and stopping
40:56
Speaker 9: businesses from polling over. That includes things like all the
41:00
Speaker 9: governments cutting government spending absolutely cutting it, cutting taxes and
41:04
Speaker 9: cutting regulation, and that generates the sort of competence that
41:08
Speaker 9: flows on. But we don't see it. We just don't
41:10
Speaker 9: see these people sowing any imagination at all.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, perhaps we shouldn't give politicians a pay rise On
41:16
Speaker 2: July one, James, you get out and about more than
41:20
Speaker 2: most other people. You go to big regional towns in Queensland,
41:23
Speaker 2: you go to small communities, you walk down the street,
41:26
Speaker 2: you see shops with police signs in the windows. This
41:29
Speaker 2: is getting very grim for a lot of people, isn't it.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, And as those interest rates hover at a higher rate,
41:37
Speaker 12: and the potential of them going up, it is certainly
41:39
Speaker 12: taking that glisten out of the eyes of business owners.
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Speaker 6: I was talking to some just yesterday and again today.
41:47
Speaker 12: They are sick to death of the payroll tax, which
41:50
Speaker 12: is burdening them. They're tired of the HR or Industrial
41:54
Speaker 12: relation laws constantly changing wage increases.
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Speaker 6: Look, businesses are pretty generous with this staff.
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Speaker 12: There's only a very small proportion of staff in this
42:02
Speaker 12: country that are on minimum wage. Most are actually paid above.
42:06
Speaker 12: And the simple fact is there just isn't the fat
42:09
Speaker 12: in the majority of small business. And you've got to
42:11
Speaker 12: remember who it is that make up the majority of
42:14
Speaker 12: business in this country.
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Speaker 6: It's small business and they're hiring the majority of Australia.
42:18
Speaker 12: And in same time too, you take them out of
42:20
Speaker 12: the equation, we're done.
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Speaker 2: It's also energy costs. I mean, you know, I got
42:26
Speaker 2: a power bill this week and I wouldn't normally have
42:29
Speaker 2: to worry about it. I looked at you know, and
42:30
Speaker 2: I thought to myself, Hell, that's expensive for two months.
42:34
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're running a business and you're relying
42:36
Speaker 2: on power, you're running a cool room or whatever it
42:39
Speaker 2: might be. I mean, those costs just keep going through
42:43
Speaker 2: the roof, and people are going to If you have
42:46
Speaker 2: that number of insolvencies, you know we are teetering terry.
42:50
Speaker 2: Are we teetering on the edge of a recession or
42:52
Speaker 2: we actually in one?
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Speaker 9: Well, certainly I think the statistics they we're not. But
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Speaker 9: I think were are teaching in terms of that competence issue.
43:03
Speaker 9: I really think the competence is the central thing here
43:06
Speaker 9: and everything pros from it. But there are other factors
43:08
Speaker 9: as well, including the fact that our working culture has changed.
43:11
Speaker 9: Our work from home mentality is actually really hitting small
43:15
Speaker 9: business in particular. So I think Again, it's federal and
43:18
Speaker 9: state governments, as James was saying, that have to do
43:21
Speaker 9: something here. But they can't rave a magic wand. But
43:23
Speaker 9: they can actually create that competence.
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Speaker 2: James, Let's talk native title, particularly in your patch. You
43:31
Speaker 2: got the Federal court recognizing native title to the Carbi
43:35
Speaker 2: Carbi people. This is a vast stretch of land in Queensland.
43:39
Speaker 2: When you look at the map of this thing, you
43:41
Speaker 2: can't believe it. Morton Bay to the Fraser Coast. You've
43:44
Speaker 2: got nooser heads in the middle of it. More than
43:46
Speaker 2: half of Queensland could be claimed under native title. The
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Speaker 2: Native Title Tribunal maps show forty two percent of the
43:53
Speaker 2: state's land mass has already been successfully claimed. Another seventy
43:57
Speaker 2: two claims coming. This is this sustainable, No, it's not.
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Speaker 12: And one nation did attempt to do something last year.
44:07
Speaker 12: Howard forgot to put in a sunset clause in the
44:10
Speaker 12: Native title legislation which means they can claim until they've
44:14
Speaker 12: got one hundred percent of it. Last year we put
44:16
Speaker 12: that bill up and unfortunately Labor and the LMP and
44:19
Speaker 12: the Greens of course voted against it. So this is
44:23
Speaker 12: going to continue on. I don't care. Kevin Rudd said
44:25
Speaker 12: this was all going to win. When we said, sorry,
44:27
Speaker 12: well it hasn't and it doesn't matter what we seem
44:30
Speaker 12: to do.
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Speaker 6: It's never enough.
44:32
Speaker 12: It doesn't matter whether we change the lyrics to our
44:35
Speaker 12: national anthem didn't stop any of the Queensland team. I
44:38
Speaker 12: noticed at State of Origin the other week they didn't
44:41
Speaker 12: sing it, So we might as well put things back
44:43
Speaker 12: to the way they were. I've had a gupfull of it.
44:46
Speaker 12: I think most Australians have. We're already making a contribution
44:49
Speaker 12: of over forty billion dollars to those who identify as
44:52
Speaker 12: indigenous in this country.
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Speaker 6: Where does it end, Steve?
44:56
Speaker 12: And if we've got a problem with defense trying to
44:59
Speaker 12: get recruit personnel for defense, is there any wonder? Why
45:03
Speaker 12: what have we got left to defend? When we've had
45:05
Speaker 12: to hand it all back to the indigenous people of
45:07
Speaker 12: this country.
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Speaker 6: Some questions have got to be asked.
45:09
Speaker 12: Put the sunset claws back in there, as Paul Enhanson
45:12
Speaker 12: and Malcolm Roberts attempted to do last year at a
45:15
Speaker 12: federal level, and let's just put this to bed. We're
45:18
Speaker 12: sick to death of the native title claims in this country, and.
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Speaker 2: From a practical point of view, if you're trying to
45:25
Speaker 2: build or develop something on Native title claim land, how
45:31
Speaker 2: much more difficult does that make.
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Speaker 6: It extremely difficult?
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Speaker 12: Because it's another level of bureaucracy or black tape is
45:41
Speaker 12: what a lot of people are starting to refer to
45:43
Speaker 12: it as.
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Speaker 6: As we've seen.
45:44
Speaker 12: When they put that legislation over in WA, it almost
45:48
Speaker 12: restricted all farmers from being able to put a fence
45:50
Speaker 12: line up anywhere below five hundred centimeters. You all of
45:55
Speaker 12: a sudden had to go and get additional approval to
45:58
Speaker 12: sink a whole or put a driveway on a property.
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Speaker 6: It's just unsustainable. And for the majority of Indigenous people
46:04
Speaker 6: they don't want this.
46:06
Speaker 12: It's those Aboriginals that don't see themselves as Australian that
46:10
Speaker 12: don't want to be under the Australian flag. They want
46:12
Speaker 12: to be under the Aboriginal flag. They're the problem in
46:15
Speaker 12: this country. And for so many white people who've got
46:18
Speaker 12: this white guilt, you're inspiring this action. It's got to stop.
46:22
Speaker 12: We've just got to get on so much for closing
46:25
Speaker 12: the gap. I'd love to see a closing of the gap,
46:28
Speaker 12: but with the way we're going, we're not going to
46:30
Speaker 12: see it.
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Speaker 6: For a long time. In fact, we're just going to
46:32
Speaker 6: broaden that gap.
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Speaker 2: Terry, what did you make in the reaction of the
46:38
Speaker 2: Victorian Labor government the Premier to Center Allen and Lily
46:41
Speaker 2: d Ambrosio, the Energy Minister, off the back of Peter
46:44
Speaker 2: Dutton's nuclear announcement yesterday de Cinder Allen called nuclear energy toxic,
46:49
Speaker 2: which it's not. That's ridiculous, and you've got de Ambrosio saying,
46:53
Speaker 2: oh nuclear power plants they when they break down and leak,
46:57
Speaker 2: they cause cancer and contaminate the environ I mean. And Allan,
47:02
Speaker 2: the Premier, said, I don't care what happens, there will
47:05
Speaker 2: not be one in Victoria if this goes to the
47:07
Speaker 2: Australian people and Dutton and the coalition win an election.
47:11
Speaker 2: Surely she can't continue to say not here, not in
47:15
Speaker 2: my backyard.
47:18
Speaker 9: No, I don't think she can at all. Stephens, so
47:21
Speaker 9: her response really came down to Twitter memes today with
47:25
Speaker 9: three eyed fish. Didn't it straight out of the Simpsons?
47:27
Speaker 9: She didn't really take it on. I think the thing
47:30
Speaker 9: that Peter Dutton has done here has actually started a conversation.
47:33
Speaker 9: That's labor of the Greens and the activists are really
47:36
Speaker 9: finding it hard to deal with because he is actually
47:38
Speaker 9: on the side of right of this. He's raving it
47:40
Speaker 9: on his terms and she can't deal with that. The
47:43
Speaker 9: Prime Minister can't deal with it, for that matter. So
47:45
Speaker 9: it's going to be really interesting to see how it goes.
47:47
Speaker 9: But when we have a premier who's basically into posting
47:51
Speaker 9: it into Sparta Alec Twitter memes, I mean, what are
47:53
Speaker 9: we going to have here Dad?
47:55
Speaker 2: In Victoria?
47:55
Speaker 9: We're just going to have more chaos and more confrontation,
47:58
Speaker 9: No conversation. I think Peter Dutton started a conversation. She
48:02
Speaker 9: cannot run away from James.
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Speaker 2: What would you do to the lunatics who turned up
48:09
Speaker 2: at Stonehenge with orange paint today?
48:13
Speaker 12: M not allowed to say on television, but yeah, look
48:18
Speaker 12: at it again this no, no, no, high wain't Steve.
48:23
Speaker 12: I've been caught out that way before. Look the reality
48:25
Speaker 12: of it is. I'm sick to death, the lunatics, the
48:29
Speaker 12: destruction that's happening, the final ace of the whole lot.
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Speaker 2: What I loved was the old couple who attacked the
48:35
Speaker 2: bloke with the fire extinguish and good on him. More
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Speaker 2: power to him. James and Terry, thank you very much.
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Speaker 2: Coming up next, The Bolt Report,