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BONUS: South Carolina State Meet featuring Oshay Davenport from Spartanburg HS · The Gill Athletics Track and Field Connections Podcast

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  It's bonus time here on the Gill Connections podcast.
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  In an effort to increase communication, empathy and
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  understanding around the country, we're going to be
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  running a new episode every day interviewing a coach, a high
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  school coach from every state, and yes, even you, Washington,
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  DC with explaining how the state qualifying system works in their
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  state expert on how many classes, private versus public
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  schools, what events and what is the process?
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  Is it areas, districts, regionals, state meet?
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  Is it a descending order list? Are there fun things that you do
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  a little differently? Like maybe you, I don't know,
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  maybe you do double points for relays looking at you Texas.
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  And then we're also going to get to the bottom of is it the state
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  meet or do you qualify for states?
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  So check us out every day here at April and May of 2024 as we
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  run through each state with a local state expert.
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  So let's get started right now. All right, here we go.
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  We continue to travel the country and in search of every
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  outdoor state meet and how they accomplish that and get to their
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  athletes into the state meet. We are having a blast.
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  I hope you've been following us from the beginning.
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  We're going Alabama all the way through Wyoming, all 51,
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  including you, Washington, DC And today I'm super excited to
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  have Mr. O'Shea Davenport from Spartanburg High School in the
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  great state of South Carolina. O'Shea, thanks for being here
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  today, man. Thank you for inviting me.
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  Hey, you know, as we continue to do this, this type of series,
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  which I think is going to be and hopefully by now in South
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  Carolina, we'll know because we'll have, you know over half
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  of our states done. Doesn't happen without servant
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  leaders like yourself stepping up.
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  I mean this is a you're representing the whole state.
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  You know, if if you say something wrong, all the coaches
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  from South Carolina could be like, OK, that's not how we do
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  it. What are you talking about?
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  So I'm just so grateful that you'd step up and show
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  leadership to join us on this really, really important
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  valuable series that we're, we're working through.
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  So thank you so much, man. Really great.
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  Very grateful for the opportunity.
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  Absolutely. Well, let's get to know you a
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  little bit better here. O'Shea, why don't you give us a
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  32nd, 30,000 foot level who you are.
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  Why should someone in Washington be listening to you for the
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  state of South Carolina? Give yourself some some St. cred
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  my friend. All right, this is my six year
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  coaching on the high school level.
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  Originally I went to Charleston Southern University.
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  I did a volunteer year out there.
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  And then after that, I just kind of realized that coaching was
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  something that I loved. It's something that I still
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  wanted to be a part of. So then I got involved in
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  Charleston at Fort Dorchester before moving back to my alma
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  mater at Spartanburg High School.
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  So now it feels good to give back to a program that kind of
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  gave everything to me where I met a lot of great friends from
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  great mentors and everything. So I really respect South
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  Carolina track and you know, my goal with other coaches is to
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  help elevate track and field in South Carolina to where it's
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  respected amongst the United States as a state to get
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  recruited by. Well, there are, I'm going to
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  say a handful. There's a handful that I know
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  of. I know there's certainly way
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  many more South Carolina coaches that are really doing exactly
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  what you're saying you're you're in that handful of Shay of, you
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  know, South Carolina, the small states.
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  So maybe it kind of gets overlooked and some of our other
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  states. But boy, I tell you what, at
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  least on Twitter, I see a lot of things going on in South
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  Carolina, including some amazing meets.
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  And of course your coaches are putting out some amazing
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  athletes. So you guys are at least
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  starting off correctly and helping build up South Carolina
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  high school track and field. All right, my man, let's get
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  into it. Let's learn about the great
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  state of South Carolina. O'Shea, we're learning.
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  Not many, but some states, they have a separate organizing body
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  for private schools and a separate one for public schools.
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  The private schools go on to their own state meet, public
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  schools go on over here to their own state meet more common.
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  Public schools and private schools are competing together
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  all after the same mission of the same state.
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  Meet What are we doing in South Carolina Public and private
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  schools? It kind of just depends on our
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  private schools. They do have their own league,
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  Schiza SEISA, that they can be in.
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  But I know like a lot of charter schools and stuff in private
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  schools, they are a part of the South Carolina High School
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  League. So they do participate in our
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  state championships, our state qualifiers, everything that a
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  general. Public school does the private
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  schools, they can take part in that as well.
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  So it's not really like a separate thing unless they
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  choose to do that. Got it.
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  Perfect. OK, Let's talk about how we chop
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  up our different divisions here in South Carolina.
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  Some people call them divisions, classes, How many?
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  I'm going to call it classes, You correct me.
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  How many classes are we doing in South Carolina?
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  Currently we have 1A to 5A and is that so, so it's so you call
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  it 1A2A3A that kind of thing. Yes, Sir.
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  OK. And which one is the larger
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  enrollment? Is that one or five?
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  5A is the larger enrollment. Got it?
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  OK, so every year, five boys teams are are going to earn A
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  state championship title and five girls teams are going to
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  win A state championship title, correct?
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  Perfect. All right.
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  Let's talk about how we do that All around the country.
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  The first round is called regional sectionals, areas,
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  divisionals, all these different names.
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  What's the name of the first round in South Carolina?
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  As regions we got regions and do we have another round or is the
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  next meet the state meet? The next meet is the state
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  qualifiers, and then it's the state meet.
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  OK, so we've got a A3 system here.
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  We got regions, State, Qualifier and then state.
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  Yes, but our state qualifier is split up between.
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  Upper and lower state too. OK, we'll get to that one.
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  First, let's get, let's keep going with regions here.
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  So how do I enter my kids into regions?
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  And So what I mean by that is, do I only get 3 per event?
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  Is there a qualifying time that can give me, you know, four or
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  five of kids if they qualify? How do I enter into regions?
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  So every school gets 4 athletes that they can enter in the
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  regions. That's regardless of time or
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  anything, Just whoever your top four kids are.
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  You just entered them into the regional meet and that's who
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  competes. So 4 per event.
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  So if I have 5 stud quarter Millers, my fifth one needs to
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  figure out the 200 or the 800 or relay or some other event.
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  There's no possible way to get a fifth person into regions.
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  Correct. Got it.
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  OK, now once I get to regions, sounds like I my goal is to get
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  to the state, qualify and meet. What do I got to do at regions
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  to get there? So from region, they take the
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  top four from every region they auto qualify And then recently
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  in the last two years we've added eight bids.
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  So the next top eight out there, those top four.
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  So I guess right now that's 32 athletes and they take eight
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  more to make it 40. So top 4, I'm secure.
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  I am going on to next week to the state qualifier and then
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  they take all these regions results, put them together kind
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  of in a descending order list and the net the top eight that
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  did not qualify in the auto. They also move on to the next
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  week's state qualifying. Correct.
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  Awesome. OK, so I did it.
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  I got, I got regions. I either got top four or I was
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  one of the top eight in each event.
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  That did not qualify. I go into state qualifying.
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  What do I got to do there to go to the big dance in a week?
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  So from there we have upper and lower state.
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  So where they do four first is the top four from each they
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  automatically qualify and then they combine the results again
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  and then they take 8. So in our state meets, they're
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  16 athletes in two heats. So you kind of do a, you call it
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  upper and lower state. So you divide the state kind of
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  in two for for your state qualifying meet, you call it
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  correct. And then there I have a very
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  similar to my regions, I've got top four.
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  So if I make top four in the event, perfect.
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  You're going on to the to the state meet and then I take all
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  the rest of those results put them in a descending order list
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  and I have 8 bids again that get to go on.
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  I like that. That's cool.
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  One of the main concerns we're hearing from coaches around the
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  country is how do we get the best kids to the state meet
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  regardless of where they happen to live.
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  You know they didn't choose what region to live in and everybody
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  else who's fast who also chose to live there.
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  So how do we still get them state?
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  Cool. All right.
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  Well let's. Yeah, we've got it.
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  We. This is really awesome.
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  Regions top 4 + 8 auto qualifier.
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  Bids. State qualifying, same thing,
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  Top 4 + 8 bids going to the state meet.
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  Let's talk about the state meet. We've got 10 state meets going
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  on five boys and five girls. Are we doing all of them in the
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  same weekend at the same venue? Tell us about that venue.
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  How many days is the meet? Talk to us about the state meet.
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  So recently it changed to where they use two venues.
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  They use Spring Valley High School and Lower Richland High
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  School. Generally the days flop based on
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  the previous year, so if somebody was Friday, Friday one
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  year, they'll be like Saturday the next year.
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  And then they do one like 1A may go in the morning, then the
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  other A may go in like the afternoon session and it's a two
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  day meet. So it just kind of depends on
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  where you get kind of stuck at on that weekend type of thing to
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  figure out the two days that you go.
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  But it's normally opposite of before perfect.
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  So we're going, we're going to flip flop the actual schedule
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  and that schedule is two different venues.
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  So are we doing 1-2 and three at 1 venue and 4:00 and 5:00 at the
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  other? That's what happened this year.
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  But they may swap because it was the first year.
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  I think they've done it. I'm at two different venues, so
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  it may swap. It just kind of depends on what
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  our governing body like kind of decides and stuff like that.
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  Got it. And let's use the example of 1-2
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  and three at 1 venue. Did I hear you say so it's a two
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  day meet, Friday and Saturday. Did I hear you say they do all
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  the one day of what? I mean all all the scheduled
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  events for Friday? We know they're not doing all
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  the events. Maybe they're doing, you know, a
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  couple field events, maybe some prelims, maybe a distance event
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  and then you do all finals on the Friday or on the Saturday.
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  Are they doing all 1A back-to-back to back and then 2A
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  back-to-back to back and then 3A?
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  Or are they mixing it? Meaning the 100 meter dash is
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  scheduled at noon and it's going to be the 1A girls, 2A girls, 3A
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  girls hundreds and then 1A boys, 2A boy, 3A boys hundred.
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  Are they combining them or keeping them separate state
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  meets? They're separate and.
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  So it used to be like that to where they might have ran them
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  both back-to-back, but now it's actually it's actually a one day
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  meet that are debating going back to two days.
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  Originally we did a two day meet where it was like 4 by 8 in
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  field events and then Sprint events, but now they just run
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  everything on one day. Since it's not that many kids at
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  the state meet, they just run straight through it.
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  So they're running Friday all 1A.
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  Somebody, someone, someone is going to be a state champion
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  team at the end of Friday. And then let's say the three A
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  is on Saturday, at the end of Saturday through the the 1A has
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  already been crowned. On Friday, it'll be just the 3A
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  or the 2A, depending on where they put those those
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  individuals. OK, got it.
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  Perfect, perfect. Love that.
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  All right. Some states we're learning, A
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  lot of states actually are adding some type of adaptive
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  unified wheelchair type events to their state meet series,
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  anything like that right now in South Carolina.
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  I haven't heard about them adding it to the state meet.
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  I know that that we've recently started discussing about it just
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  recently I think a coach from Burns we have.
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  We use Sports U for the host state of South Carolina.
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  So all the track coaches in South Carolina is one app where
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  everything is located if somebody wants to have a meet.
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  Anything like that, we all can kind of see what's going on in
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  the state. So it's a nice collaborative
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  app. And I know a coach from Burns,
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  he posted about, you know, coaches who are interested in it
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  to please reach out to him. So I think right now they're in
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  the process of coming up with different ways for that and
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  stuff like that. You know, one of the major
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  reasons we took on this, you know, really gargantuan, you
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  know, to schedule 51 coaches, that's hard.
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  By the way, they're all high school coaches too.
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  They're they're all teachers and family member that's so tough so
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  but one of the major reasons we started this was to increase
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  conversation amongst states. You just said something that I
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  think maybe I want to make sure other states here say the name
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  of that app that so all South Carolina coaches is it just
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  track? Is it all sports?
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  But you you seem to have like a dedicated app that you can
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  communicate with a coach across the state to to collaborate and
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  and ideas and things like that. Yeah, so it's called sports you
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  right now it's tracking cross country coaches that are in the
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  app. Like let's say if we are hosting
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  a meet, we can say these are our meet days, they can post it.
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  Someone's looking for a coach, they can post that in there any
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  any big meet like state they post a qualifier.
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  So it's just one big app where we can kind of communicate and
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  everything. So it's it's extremely helpful.
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  Sports you like sports and the letter you or sports you and why
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  so sports the letter you. So if someone were to go.
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  Would sports why you. Sports YOU.
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  OK. So if someone wanted to go and
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  kind of just check it out and see if they could maybe bring it
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  to their state they can go. It's an app that you can go look
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  at the app and sports YOU perfect.
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  That's awesome man. That's that's that's good value
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  there. All right O'Shea.
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  So we've got. I'm going to use the the what,
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  What event should I use? I I, I I tend to stick to the
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  same events I want to I want to go to a different event.
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  This time we've got five different pole vault boys state
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  championships because we have five classes and we have 5 girls
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  pole vault state champions. Some states whether it's
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  officially through their Athletic Association or
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  unofficially through a coaches association or sometimes it's
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  just a group of coaches that get together to do this.
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  They'll invite the the top one or two, three per event for each
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  class. Bring them all together and find
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  out air quotes here who the true state champion is, a meet of
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  champions if you will. Anything like that going on
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  right now? The biggest thing I think we
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  kind of have to meet a champions is called our coaches Classic
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  elite meet. So let's say early in March.
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  They're different districts. I guess whatever district you're
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  assigned to, your school goes to.
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  From there, they take the top 16 results from all combined, and
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  those top 16 kids go from a coach's.
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  Classic qualifier to coaches, Classic, elite.
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  And that's regardless of classification and all that.
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  So that's kind of the closest thing to that that we have.
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  So I guess it's kind of like the pre state meet before the state
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  meet, but it's everyone from every classification that
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  participates in that meet. Do you do a team aspect to that
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  as well or is it all individual on that one?
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  It's all individual. Yeah.
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  Yeah, that's cool. I love that.
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  All right, let's talk about the events that you're doing there
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  in South Carolina. We'll go kind of group by group.
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  We can assume you're doing the 124 and the eight for the boys
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  and girls. All right.
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  Are we doing in these next two events, are we doing the 1632,
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  the mile, two mile, the fifteen 3000?
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  What are you doing the next two there?
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  1632, That's the most common. We've got the 110 high hurdles
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  for boys. 100 high hurdles for girls.
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  Yep. All right.
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  We're doing the 300 hurdles. We do 400 hurdles, you know,
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  that's why I said that with a question mark, 400 hurdles, how,
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  how long? And you know, I'm not going to
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  pin you down to a specific date, but is that relatively new?
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  Has that been as far as you can remember?
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  As far as I remember I ran in 2011 and we did have 400
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  hurdles. So I would say probably mid
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  2000, early 2000s or maybe off top of my head, I love it.
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  We've got a few states out there that's, that's really, I love
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  that. All right, let's talk about
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  relays. We know you're doing the four by
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  one and four by four because if you weren't doing those two
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  relays, you wouldn't be doing track and field and you wouldn't
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  be on this podcast. What other relays might we be
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  doing? We have the four by 8, 4 by 8.
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  No Sprint medley, four by two. Anything like that?
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  4 by 1, four by four and four by 8.
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  Yep, got it. Three were nice.
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  Three realize. Yep, Got it.
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  Let's go to our field events. Long jump and triple jump for
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  boys and girls. Yes.
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  Awesome shot put and discus. Boys and girls.
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  Yep. Pole vault and high jump.
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  Boys and girls. Correct.
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  Anything else? Hammer.
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  Javelin. Steeple Multis.
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  We just added Javelin like a couple years ago, So two or
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  three years ago it became an official event.
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  Love that. Love South Carolina.
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  This South Carolina is a great poster child, if you will, for
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  other states that are thinking about adding javelin and they
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  have this excuse and this excuse and this excuse.
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  South Carolina coaches found a way.
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  Idaho's adding again, if you've been watching, listening to our
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  whole series, you've heard all these states that have added.
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  There's a lot of states that have been adding great job to
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  South Carolina coaches for adding the Javelin way to give
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  more opportunity for your kids for the next level.
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  They're awesome job to all of you out there.
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  So like that meet of champions, some states with these not
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  official state meet events, we'll do an unofficial state
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  meet a week or two later in the multis, the hammer, etcetera,
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  anything like that that you're aware of.
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  We don't have anything like that, but we do have, I guess we
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  have a growing a a UUSATF scene. So a lot of times after the
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  state meet one of the one of those teams try to host a meet
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  like that to where kids can do multis and stuff like that.
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  Awesome. Love it.
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  O'Shea, before we get to a couple of fun questions anything
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  else that we should know that's uniquely South Carolina for
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  outdoor track and field you you double your relay points you you
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  run the four by four at midnight because that's some reason a
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  South Carolina tradition, I don't know.
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  You only score six of the state meet.
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  Anything unique that we should be aware of that I didn't ask?
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  I don't think we do anything unique.
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  I think it's pretty standard to the standard scoring system.
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  We don't have any outlandish like relays like 4 by two or
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  spent Med or DMR. I think the craziest thing we do
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  is 400 hurdles. Yeah, that is.
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  That's crazy. Yeah, other than that, I mean,
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  it's pretty straightforward. Like any other.
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  Meet no double points, none. None of none of that nature.
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  None of those shenanigans. Awesome.
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  Great. All right.
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  Hey, so help us settle a debate here, O'Shea.
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  You know, at least in your area, your culture, your bus going to
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  the track meet. When you talk about the state
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  meet, do your kids qualify for state, for states, Just for the
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  state meet? How do you say this?
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  Help us with this debate here. Oh it just kind of depends on
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  the mood I'm I'm in I guess like I might say like you got to
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  qualify for the state meet if I'm like talking to the kids.
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  But I guess it was more of like a motivation thing.
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  I'm not like you're trying to get to the state meet.
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  I'm like we're trying to get to state when we get to state we
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  have to compete. But probably talking to like
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  just a general conversation. I'm I'm like the state meet is
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  next week but if I'm like trying to motivate them, hike them up,
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  I'm like hey, we got to get to state we got to do we got to
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  handle this, this, this and this.
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  Before we get there, you know, state is our ultimate goal.
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  So in the case of hyping, I guess in a unprofessional term,
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  I say state, but if I'm being more formal about it, I'd say
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  state meat. Now I gave you three options.
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  I just want to make sure because someone is keeping track of all
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  these states. I just, I just know that, yeah,
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  yeah, OK. That's what I want to clarify.
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  I heard state. I heard state meat.
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  I did not hear states with the nest there.
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  Yes, I don't say state. Love it, love it, love it.
• 19:50
  All right, O'Shea, you've done a great job helping us learn more
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  about the outdoor State meet series there in South Carolina.
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  You win the prize, my friend. You win the magic wand.
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  If you could change one thing and only one thing, my friend,
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  that you think would help elevate the experience of
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  outdoor high school track there in South Carolina, it could be
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  adding an event. It could be the State meet goes
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  to a four day meet. I don't know.
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  You tell me what would be that one thing that you might change?
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  I think just me in general will be the culture of track and
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  field outside of track and field that makes sense.
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  Like when someone from the outside is talking about track,
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  I guess if it was like more celebrated, more respected to
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  make our kids feel more proud of what they're doing and their
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  accomplishments because it's not easy making it to that state
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  meet. So just making them feel, you
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  know, proud. Like, you know, I did this.
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  I worked hard for this. You know, it's like catching
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  that touchdown and to to win a game like, you know, it's that
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  important when the school jumps up and cheer for them because
• 20:54
  just know that they're backed and that they have the support
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  from their peers, from people that they look up to within the
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  school. So I guess just a culture of
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  track and field, if I could change that to where you know
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  those stands are packed, you know they're those kids are
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  being championed and you know they they they love track and
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  field and they understand how it has like changed their life
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  because so many people support them in it and everything.
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  So I think that would be the only thing.
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  I can honestly say all of us at Guild Athletics would 100%
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  cosign on that. That's exactly right.
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  That's what we do, uplifting our coaches who do the uplifting of
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  our athletes. That might be easily my most
• 21:33
  favorite magic wand answer right there.
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  I think that's exactly right. Culture is hard to change, but
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  you know what? And I know you know this O'Shea
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  is a leader yourself. It starts with you and your
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  community and community of coaches that you have there in
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  the state of South Carolina. And I believe if anybody can do
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  it. But you guys certainly can.
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  You guys are leaders along the way.
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  So I expect to see more of that from you guys there in the great
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  state of South Carolina. I love that.
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  It's very good. Thank you, O'Shea.
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  Thank you so much, man. This has been awesome.
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  You know, as we continue to go, all 51 including you,
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  Washington, DC, it's just absolutely thrilling to see the
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  differences. Love that you do the 400
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  hurdles. Love that you do the javelin.
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  And I love that you have every excuse not to do those events
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  and yet you leaders out there do it.
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  So I love that very much. So thanks for being here today
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  for us, O'Shea. And thanks for you guys
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  listening if you haven't caught up.
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  Go back starts with Alabama going all the way to Wyoming.
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  All 51, including DCI. Hope you're enjoying this as
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  much as I am. See you guys tomorrow,
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  everybody.