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Icy Conditions Ahead · I Hate Talking

• 0:29
  I Hate Talking: Welcome to episode 40 of I Hate Talking.
• 0:33
  I Hate Talking: Whoa, hey, hi everyone.
• 0:34
  I Hate Talking: So we did get some listener requests about words ending in a long E sound like epitome from our Greek and Latin that perhaps we could talk about, but maybe you have something in mind before that or after that.
• 0:50
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, OK.
• 0:52
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I have a word for today, but we'll definitely go to that soon.
• 0:57
  I Hate Talking: The word I have is mawkish.
• 1:01
  I Hate Talking: Have you ever heard that word and do you know what mawkish means?
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  I Hate Talking: -- Mawish as spelled M O C K I S -- H M A W K I S H.
• 1:14
  I Hate Talking: So we're getting into the difference between very minute pronunciations cause I think you certainly said Mawish with an O.
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  I Hate Talking: Ma.
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  I Hate Talking: Mackish.
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  I Hate Talking: Do you want to hear how AI says it?
• 1:31
  I Hate Talking: No, -- I don't really care for AI -- can yell and scream whether I said it the same as AI or not.
• 1:37
  I Hate Talking: No, AI probably didn't even do it right anyway.
• 1:40
  I Hate Talking: Or it could be operator error for the fact that you don't have your volume turned up.
• 1:44
  I Hate Talking: Yeah.
• 1:45
  I Hate Talking: Where it's connected to your Bluetooth.
• 1:48
  I Hate Talking: My volume is down so that I don't get interrupted with dings while we're doing this.
• 1:53
  I Hate Talking: I'm doing well, -- I'm -- sure our listeners appreciate that.
• 1:55
  I Hate Talking: Yes, they probably have enough dings in their life anyway.
• 1:58
  I Hate Talking: Maw mawkish, yeah, see it's got the little ah ah mawkish instead of Mack.
• 2:07
  I Hate Talking: I think you're just wasting time so you can figure out what mawkish means.
• 2:11
  I Hate Talking: Now, I do not know what mawkish means.
• 2:15
  I Hate Talking: If I was to define the word mockish, then it would be maybe somebody that's doing something in a mocking manner, sort of like a funny poking way and adding the ISH as sort of that indicator that they're doing it in such a fashion, mockish, but for mawkish, I have no idea.
• 2:35
  I Hate Talking: I almost.
• 2:36
  I Hate Talking: It, it brings to mind moccasins, but that's a different, different word altogether as well.
• 2:42
  I Hate Talking: Maybe Mohawk, and I think that's where I'm getting some of the different spellings mixed up.
• 2:49
  I Hate Talking: So lots of different word.
• 2:53
  I Hate Talking: Things that are connected in my mind there that have probably no relevance to the definition of the word mawkish at all.
• 3:00
  I Hate Talking: Well, have we ever talked about in the past 40 episodes, have we talked about how I can't hear the difference in what you're saying right now?
• 3:09
  I Hate Talking: No, I don't believe we have discussed that.
• 3:12
  I Hate Talking: Sorry, go ahead.
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  I Hate Talking: That's the answer.
• 3:16
  I Hate Talking: No.
• 3:16
  I Hate Talking: Maybe one day we can talk about that cause it's probably no surprise to people listening that I don't pronounce many words correctly.
• 3:25
  I Hate Talking: And it's not for lack of trying, I cannot physically hear the difference in those sounds.
• 3:31
  I Hate Talking: So, you're saying mawkish and Mawish sound identical to me.
• 3:35
  I Hate Talking: But if I give you the tip that it's German, I bet that throws you off a little bit.
• 3:41
  I Hate Talking: Does, I would not have guessed that this would have German roots per se.
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  I Hate Talking: Does not really help me with even coming to a definition.
• 3:51
  I Hate Talking: Do you want to look it up in our big old dictionary?
• 3:55
  I Hate Talking: We can check.
• 3:56
  I Hate Talking: I don't know if it's going to be in there.
• 3:57
  I Hate Talking: So which one do you want to start with our 1828 or the more recent, uh, 1900s 1.
• 4:05
  I Hate Talking: Start with the big one that weighs 10 pounds.
• 4:08
  I Hate Talking: OK, we'll start with the more recent one then.
• 4:10
  I Hate Talking: Now, I think it may actually be in this one.
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  I Hate Talking: So, for our listeners, this is our complete and unabridged, the Little and Ives, Webster Dictionary and Home Reference library.
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  I Hate Talking: It's from 1867 and then also was updated in 1957, 1958.
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  I Hate Talking: Uh, so we will check the word mockish.
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  I Hate Talking: So it is in here, Mawish.
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  I Hate Talking: It also has the adjective.
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  I Hate Talking: Makashli So the definition of the word mawkish per this dictionary is.
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  I Hate Talking: Maggot Goth means a worm, chew, gnaw, also can refer to mandible, it can refer to chewing, biting.
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  I Hate Talking: In a physical sense, having a faint, sweet, sickly taste, insipid.
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  I Hate Talking: Or it can be of non-material things, weakly, sentimental, or feebly emotional.
• 5:13
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, that's basically what I got.
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  I Hate Talking: I hadn't gotten, I haven't looked in this big dictionary yet.
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  I Hate Talking: So, in my research, I got sentimental, in a feeble or sickly way, also lacking in flavor or having an unpleasant taste.
• 5:31
  I Hate Talking: If you're using it, um, you can say, Exaggeratedly or childishly emotional, like a mawkish love story.
• 5:40
  I Hate Talking: Interesting.
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  I Hate Talking: So it does come from the root word in I guess Greek for.
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  I Hate Talking: Mastama, which does, I think, produce the word masticate, which means to chew.
• 5:56
  I Hate Talking: Right, if you masticate your food, you are chewing it up, so that's the same root word that becomes mawkish.
• 6:04
  I Hate Talking: Interesting.
• 6:06
  I Hate Talking: All right, let's see if it's in the 1828.
• 6:08
  I Hate Talking: I guess it actually might be because it actually is perhaps more of an archaic word.
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  I Hate Talking: I did not expect it to be in there, but I think it actually might be after reading this definition in our little and Ives dictionary.
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  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 6:22
  I Hate Talking: So for our final reference, I guess we'll look at for this particular word mawkish is the American Dictionary of the English Language by Noah Webster in 1828.
• 6:33
  I Hate Talking: And this is not an original printing, as you may have heard in.
• 6:37
  I Hate Talking: A very long ago episode, I guess it feels like at this point, this is just a facsimile.
• 6:43
  I Hate Talking: This is the book I can't read.
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  I Hate Talking: The words or letters are so tiny, but watching you look right now, I would have to get very close to it to actually see what it says.
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  I Hate Talking: So it does appear in here.
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  I Hate Talking: Mawkish Apt to cause sy or loathing so sweetly mawish.
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  I Hate Talking: And so smoothly doll is the example sentence.
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  I Hate Talking: That gives me more questions than uh clarification.
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  I Hate Talking: I feel like I have to look up those other words then too.
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  I Hate Talking: Say and loathing.
• 7:21
  I Hate Talking: Right, like, I feel like I could put them in a sentence.
• 7:24
  I Hate Talking: But then when they're all in one sentence, then I don't know what the sentence means.
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  I Hate Talking: Now, there is a noun, mock, which is a maggot or a slattern, which would be a worm.
• 7:36
  I Hate Talking: So, that would probably be more the noun aspect and then the mawkish is probably more of the sentimental value when it comes to City, and I don't know if it's actually loathing, it's actually loing, which is probably another archaic word that we're running into here that has to do with sentimentality.
• 7:57
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, that makes sense.
• 7:58
  I Hate Talking: So, I think, as we can see that perhaps I have not encountered this word in my everyday reading or.
• 8:09
  I Hate Talking: Consumption of various materials.
• 8:13
  I Hate Talking: So where -- did this word come from for our -- episode?
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  I Hate Talking: Well, you told me that I needed to come up with a word today.
• 8:21
  I Hate Talking: And so I sat down and thought, what where do I want to learn?
• 8:29
  I Hate Talking: Came to a blank, wasn't sure.
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  I Hate Talking: And so I just googled words people don't know, and that was the first one that came up.
• 8:38
  I Hate Talking: So, according to the great Google, most people do not know the word mawkish, and they were correct, because at least the two of us did not know it.
• 8:48
  I Hate Talking: Indeed, and it's still used in like modern context though?
• 8:53
  I Hate Talking: Or is it, it, it really seems like a lot of the definitions that we ran into were very archaic in nature, which I'm fine with.
• 9:00
  I Hate Talking: I like using archaic words, but like if they've fallen completely out of use and like nobody knows.
• 9:06
  I Hate Talking: And nobody uses them anymore, then I maybe don't feel as strongly about them.
• 9:12
  I Hate Talking: OK, that's fair enough.
• 9:13
  I Hate Talking: I don't know how regular it is.
• 9:16
  I Hate Talking: I can't tell you off the top of my head how many times I've heard it.
• 9:18
  I Hate Talking: So you can search for word usage over time and usually Google will give you a little chart that gives the usage over time for a particular word if you just ask for the definition or etymology.
• 9:32
  I Hate Talking: That actually does not appear when you do such a search for Mackish.
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  I Hate Talking: So we can turn to the Ngram viewer and Mawish is Barely a blip on the graph when you can compare it to words that are similar in definition, sentimental, silly, or maggot, uh, using the noun.
• 9:58
  I Hate Talking: Uh, it does have an uptick in the 1800s.
• 10:04
  I Hate Talking: So if we look at just mawkish by itself on the Ngram viewer, does show up in the Early 1800s through 1850, and then.
• 10:14
  I Hate Talking: Heaters off pretty quickly after that and is not used in the modern lexicon.
• 10:20
  I Hate Talking: Now, it is interesting to note that you can find mawkish in the modern day Oxford Language dictionary with regards to the sentimentality and sort of like a silly or overbearing way, but for all intents and purposes, does not seem that mawkish is used in the modern day lexicon.
• 10:42
  I Hate Talking: But I feel like we should bring it back.
• 10:44
  I Hate Talking: Well, our listeners can let us know if they are enjoying that word or not.
• 10:49
  I Hate Talking: Personally, not finding much use for it.
• 10:53
  I Hate Talking: OK, well, no wonder Google said it was one of the top words that we don't know.
• 10:58
  I Hate Talking: Because it was literally not used anymore.
• 11:02
  I Hate Talking: Yeah.
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  I Hate Talking: -- That's why we need to use it so people do know -- it.
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  I Hate Talking: That explains it.
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  I Hate Talking: Well, do you have an actual usage for it, where you could actually use it in everyday life?
• 11:12
  I Hate Talking: Well, the example that I have from one of the more modern meanings, it says, the quote is, the film lapsed in mawkish sentimentality near the end.
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  I Hate Talking: And a synonym would be drippy, informal, or disapproving.
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  I Hate Talking: So if you're going with the thought of like the maggots and the unpleasant taste, insipid.
• 11:38
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, and to bundle it up into one word, insipid.
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  I Hate Talking: Mawish mawkish.
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  I Hate Talking: I think also people are going to hear Mackish and not mawkish.
• 11:51
  I Hate Talking: Oh my goodness, I don't know the, I can't hear the difference.
• 11:54
  I Hate Talking: And they're gonna think that you're just mocking them.
• 11:57
  I Hate Talking: Well, that's what makes sense because it's about being silly and informal and disapproving and dippy.
• 12:06
  I Hate Talking: Like that's mawkish, childish, yeah, makes sense to me.
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  I Hate Talking: But you're saying they don't sound the same to you, nor should they.
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  I Hate Talking: Like, I'm mocking you, and this is mockish.
• 12:19
  I Hate Talking: Correct.
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  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 12:20
  I Hate Talking: Well, it makes the same sounds in my head.
• 12:22
  I Hate Talking: It makes sense to me.
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  I Hate Talking: Now one sound that we can be sure of is the long E sound at the end of epitome.
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  I Hate Talking: So there are a number of words with the long E sound at the end that come from that Greek and Latin root that does retain the long E sound.
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  I Hate Talking: So if you were wondering about that, there are a lot of different words, perhaps some of them more archaic, but ones that you may use in everyday usage is apostrophe.
• 12:54
  I Hate Talking: Catastrophe Hyperbole And simile, and those are all ones that if you use sort of the normal everyday pronunciation rules of English, that you may not pronounce that long E sound, but those long E sounds are retained because of the Greek and Latin roots having that same effect as epitome.
• 13:19
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, that's super interesting, cause I do know all of those words.
• 13:24
  I Hate Talking: And when I read them, I know what the word is, but if you're phonically spelling them, sounding them out, That's definitely not what the conclusion you'd come to in modern day English.
• 13:35
  I Hate Talking: Precisely.
• 13:36
  I Hate Talking: And those words are definitely not archaic, and I think used in everyday language.
• 13:42
  I Hate Talking: So, maybe I feel a bit mockish about them.
• 13:46
  I Hate Talking: Well, I was thinking.
• 13:50
  I Hate Talking: That an incident we had recently that was not mockish.
• 13:56
  I Hate Talking: But now looking back, I feel like as time goes on, it's gonna be more mockish or silly.
• 14:03
  I Hate Talking: Is a weather story we had recently.
• 14:07
  I Hate Talking: Where we were.
• 14:10
  I Hate Talking: Essentially trapped in her car and Long story short, we'll go into the details.
• 14:16
  I Hate Talking: I want to hear your story about it, but essentially we had to ditch our car with our kids hike to our home in the snow and the ice.
• 14:26
  I Hate Talking: Well, I think maybe you are employing hyperbole there, that it was not quite as intense as you make it sound, but it was quite the adventure nonetheless.
• 14:37
  I Hate Talking: And yes, this particular weather event affected much of the lower 48 and I think was somewhat unexpected for our particular area.
• 14:51
  I Hate Talking: We actually thought there would be more of a concern in the morning hours on this particular day, but the morning commute and everything seemed quite normal.
• 15:03
  I Hate Talking: So we went about our business as normal and went to a number of evening activities and then on the way home from these evening activities, encountered quite a bit of unexpected icy roads.
• 15:16
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, um, we did our research and others did too, like you said, we thought it was the day before and the morning of.
• 15:25
  I Hate Talking: And even the weather people that we really rely on, they seem to know what they're doing, um, there's certain people we follow follow on X.
• 15:35
  I Hate Talking: They were like, yeah, we're good, no problem.
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  I Hate Talking: So we went about our day.
• 15:38
  I Hate Talking: Little did we know that at 8 o'clock at night we'd get in our car and start slipping and sliding home.
• 15:46
  I Hate Talking: Precisely, and it was, I think one of the more harrowing driving expeditions that I have done in sort of this winter weather.
• 15:58
  I Hate Talking: Because growing up in the Northeast, we would.
• 16:02
  I Hate Talking: Always encounter some sort of snowstorm or ice storm or whatever the case may be, but there is often a, a decent amount of preparedness about that with treating the roads or at least having drivers in the area that knew how to drive in such conditions that you didn't really have to worry necessarily about other people and what they were going to do.
• 16:24
  I Hate Talking: They were also aware of the conditions and sort of knew how to drive within those conditions.
• 16:30
  I Hate Talking: Versus our area that we're in at this point in time where there's maybe different people from different areas or because this winter weather is encountered somewhat infrequently, they don't experience this on a regular basis and therefore do not know how to drive in it.
• 16:47
  I Hate Talking: We did see a number of cars that had their four-way blinkers on and that sort of indicated that there was perhaps some sort of issue, and that is when we encountered the ice not soon after leaving said event in the evening.
• 17:04
  I Hate Talking: Yeah.
• 17:05
  I Hate Talking: So, and to go back to what you were saying about the people not knowing what to do.
• 17:10
  I Hate Talking: One, I think it is our area, it's not super common.
• 17:14
  I Hate Talking: Also, that night, the weather was so weird because certain areas were fine.
• 17:22
  I Hate Talking: And then you'd get into an area that was really slit, and you're slipping and sliding, and then you're fine.
• 17:28
  I Hate Talking: So, depending on when you got on the road, We saw people tailgating.
• 17:33
  I Hate Talking: And it was so frustrating cause I understand that they, I feel like they probably did not realize how slippy parts were.
• 17:41
  I Hate Talking: So they get behind someone going slow, and they were frustrated by that.
• 17:45
  I Hate Talking: But it was scary watching people tailgate.
• 17:48
  I Hate Talking: I'm like, yo, we're gonna, you're gonna crash quickly.
• 17:51
  I Hate Talking: So that was the added issue.
• 17:53
  I Hate Talking: For us, when we left our event.
• 17:55
  I Hate Talking: The sidewalk was slippy.
• 17:57
  I Hate Talking: Some of our kids slipped and I was like, oh wow, just be careful, walk carefully to the car.
• 18:01
  I Hate Talking: I thought that was odd, but that was it.
• 18:04
  I Hate Talking: I was getting in, I was driving, getting drive.
• 18:07
  I Hate Talking: And you were like, yeah, I'll drive, go ahead.
• 18:11
  I Hate Talking: So I'm so thankful you said that cause I have so much more faith in your experience.
• 18:17
  I Hate Talking: First, I have a lot of faith in your judgment, and then I also have a lot of faith in your previous experience in winter driving.
• 18:24
  I Hate Talking: I'm so glad I did not have our entire family in that car with me as I was driving.
• 18:30
  I Hate Talking: Indeed, and the areas that you said that were slick, I think were in some ways depending on how much precipitation and how much wind had been at that particular location.
• 18:45
  I Hate Talking: So a lot of the areas that were more open and were getting more wind and rain and perhaps freezing rain were definitely more slick, whereas other areas that were maybe perhaps protected from the wind did not seem quite as bad, but There certainly were areas that were worse than others.
• 19:04
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, so that's what I want to talk about actually is twofold, I guess.
• 19:08
  I Hate Talking: One is what to do kind of in these situations, and then also, how do you make decisions when it, something comes up and you don't expect it.
• 19:18
  I Hate Talking: And it can literally be life or death.
• 19:21
  I Hate Talking: Like, how can we stay calm?
• 19:23
  I Hate Talking: How can we um properly think about these things?
• 19:27
  I Hate Talking: Cause That's kind of what we ended up having.
• 19:30
  I Hate Talking: I know it sounds ridiculous, like, like you said, hyperbole, I don't want to be hyperbolic, but like, the question being, there were decisions we had to make, and later we can talk a little about the story of, we had to ditch our car and leave.
• 19:42
  I Hate Talking: Which ended up being one of the scariest moments of possibly my life, or poss definitely that night when we did that.
• 19:50
  I Hate Talking: But how do we Make decisions calmly.
• 19:55
  I Hate Talking: When you only have a second to choose these choices, and yet your life or others' lives do depend on it.
• 20:04
  I Hate Talking: Well, a number of things that come to mind.
• 20:07
  I Hate Talking: One, we were in some situations that required split-second decision making, but in some of these, Instances that we will perhaps get into as we describe our story, they were not split second.
• 20:21
  I Hate Talking: Decisions that had to be made.
• 20:23
  I Hate Talking: We had minutes to decide what we were going to do.
• 20:27
  I Hate Talking: -- So -- we didn't have preparation, but you had a couple of minutes.
• 20:30
  I Hate Talking: It was not immediate choices.
• 20:33
  I Hate Talking: Correct.
• 20:34
  I Hate Talking: So perhaps that is one strategy that one could use is making sure that you frame the decision in actually the time and impact that it actually necessitates that these were not split second decisions.
• 20:48
  I Hate Talking: These had Many seconds or even many minutes to come to the conclusion and try to make the right decision.
• 20:54
  I Hate Talking: So that's number one.
• 20:56
  I Hate Talking: Number 2 is something you mentioned to some degree is the preparedness.
• 21:02
  I Hate Talking: If you are trained and have experience in how to do things within certain scenarios such as winter weather driving, then you can trust in that experience and again, maybe not even have to make a decision, but actually rely on that training and experience.
• 21:19
  I Hate Talking: And then also related to that is the preparedness and making sure that you have what you need when you need it.
• 21:26
  I Hate Talking: In order to make good decisions as well as have positive outcomes.
• 21:31
  I Hate Talking: Nice.
• 21:32
  I Hate Talking: So, yeah, when we got on the road, everything was fine, normal night home.
• 21:38
  I Hate Talking: And then, like you said, you saw the blinking lights.
• 21:42
  I Hate Talking: Did you know what was happening?
• 21:43
  I Hate Talking: When I saw it, I thought, oh, there must be an accident ahead.
• 21:46
  I Hate Talking: And I also, I did notice like both lanes of traffic were blinking, and I thought that's strange, like, why don't they just get over to one side and let the rest of us go through.
• 21:56
  I Hate Talking: So that was, I thought we were coming up on an accident.
• 22:00
  I Hate Talking: What was your impression?
• 22:02
  I Hate Talking: So I thought there at the start of when I was seeing this that perhaps there was one driver that was being overly cautious and not knowing what to do and therefore was causing a lot of other people to take Extra precautions as well.
• 22:21
  I Hate Talking: I'm not actually entirely certain that's untrue because I do think that we did encounter a number of drivers that were doing things that actually put themselves perhaps more in harm's way or in, or others in harm's way because of how they were behaving.
• 22:37
  I Hate Talking: But nonetheless, there definitely was ice and slick conditions in that area.
• 22:42
  I Hate Talking: And that was actually one of the things that I did do, maybe you did not even notice this, but Before I was even getting closer to the other traffic, I basically.
• 22:53
  I Hate Talking: Was putting the vehicle into a.
• 22:57
  I Hate Talking: Controlled anti-lock braking system scenario.
• 23:03
  I Hate Talking: You just press the brakes until the anti-lock brakes kick on if it's actually slick.
• 23:09
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, see, I don't get my car because there's like a, what that's the ASB or something like that like sometimes that comes on and it's wonky.
• 23:18
  I Hate Talking: That's one of the modern day technological features and vehicles that I actually appreciate.
• 23:28
  I Hate Talking: -- Am -- I like unintentionally turning it on and I just think it's wonky.
• 23:33
  I Hate Talking: Probably most people do actually think that something is failing when they engage the anti-lock braking system because the brakes are basically not breaking in order that you maintain traction control.
• 23:48
  I Hate Talking: So I did engage the anti-lock braking system to determine if it was actually slippery and indeed it was.
• 23:56
  I Hate Talking: So I think that in some ways these cars that had their four ways on.
• 24:02
  I Hate Talking: were legitimately signaling that there was danger and like you said, there were some other vehicles that gave no acknowledgement to that and were just driving on as if nothing was happening.
• 24:14
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 24:15
  I Hate Talking: Well, yeah, so I did not notice that.
• 24:16
  I Hate Talking: I was tending to the kids and stuff.
• 24:19
  I Hate Talking: So I just thought, like I said, there was an accident up ahead.
• 24:22
  I Hate Talking: I was trusting that you're watching it.
• 24:23
  I Hate Talking: And I was tending to them, and then all of a sudden in my memory, the car just starts like swerving, like, not drastically.
• 24:31
  I Hate Talking: But like, it was obvious, so we were slick and the tires had no traction.
• 24:38
  I Hate Talking: And that was what my memory is.
• 24:40
  I Hate Talking: But you were prepared, you knew that that was gonna happen.
• 24:43
  I Hate Talking: Indeed, I actually did that on purpose to determine the road conditions.
• 24:47
  I Hate Talking: So then we continued driving, we did encounter some other areas again, if I was coming upon some either slow or stopped vehicles or perhaps coming up to a stop sign or traffic light, I would again do this test and Basically press the brakes until they began to either slow the vehicle and actually encounter traction.
• 25:14
  I Hate Talking: So that indicated to me that the road conditions were dry or not slick, or there were instances where when doing that sort of test that the antilock brake system did kick in and indicated to me that I would need to take some extra stopping distance in order to come to a full stop.
• 25:34
  I Hate Talking: Or slow appropriately when you're approaching this traffic or traffic intersection.
• 25:39
  I Hate Talking: OK, first, disclaimer, we are not automobile.
• 25:43
  I Hate Talking: Experts do not take anything we say.
• 25:47
  I Hate Talking: As legal or through or medical or anything.
• 25:52
  I Hate Talking: This is not one of those kind of podcasts.
• 25:54
  I Hate Talking: Don't cite us in your lawsuit.
• 25:57
  I Hate Talking: But my question for you then is do all cars have that?
• 26:00
  I Hate Talking: Can you, from a really old car to the newest, will you know if you're tapping on the brakes like that?
• 26:07
  I Hate Talking: -- Can you -- tell me?
• 26:08
  I Hate Talking: Press firmly and with constant pressure.
• 26:13
  I Hate Talking: a constant like getting more pressure, -- not like a sudden -- you wouldn't want to, no, you don't slam on your brakes.
• 26:21
  I Hate Talking: This would be your, -- you're -- going farther down constant, OK.
• 26:26
  I Hate Talking: And I think In this day and age, that maybe if you have like a super old vehicle that maybe even is classified as like a classic vehicle, it would not have ABS but If it's been made in.
• 26:42
  I Hate Talking: Our lifetime, I think it has an electric system.
• 26:46
  I Hate Talking: So it's pretty safe to say that all modern vehicles would have that equipped.
• 26:50
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 26:51
  I Hate Talking: So, after that point, we got to a point, because we were one of the first to leave, we realized, oh, this is not safe.
• 26:57
  I Hate Talking: So we called our friends and we're like, hey, spread the word, this road that they all have to take pretty much.
• 27:04
  I Hate Talking: is slippy, just use caution.
• 27:08
  I Hate Talking: So we spread that word around, not trying to panic people, but also that they know what to expect because at least from my perspective, I was totally taken a shot, which in hindsight, obviously, is 2020.
• 27:23
  I Hate Talking: I should have known better.
• 27:24
  I Hate Talking: So when I got into the driver's seat, I had no problem opening my car door when you were like, I better drive.
• 27:31
  I Hate Talking: And I switched seats, I noticed that my side was so icy and it was hard to open my car door.
• 27:38
  I Hate Talking: And I thought that was weird and just moved on.
• 27:42
  I Hate Talking: Now I look back I'm like, well, no wonder wherever the wind was hitting, it iced over so quickly.
• 27:48
  I Hate Talking: And I think that's why some parts were so icy and some were not, was based on buildings and the wind flow, right?
• 27:55
  I Hate Talking: Precisely, and that is exactly why I opted to drive because I could tell from the precipitation and the wind and the temperature that this was potentially going to result in hazardous road conditions.
• 28:11
  I Hate Talking: And then we did go through that initial icy area and went through many different icy areas.
• 28:17
  I Hate Talking: And then did specifically avoid the freeway.
• 28:22
  I Hate Talking: That's what I was gonna say.
• 28:24
  I Hate Talking: So the highway.
• 28:25
  I Hate Talking: Which shows that you, we've lived in our location for many, many years, and that's a dead giveaway that you're not a natural here.
• 28:34
  I Hate Talking: It's what you just called it, which I love cause I get keys for my cultural background.
• 28:40
  I Hate Talking: But it's actually a highway, not a freeway, precisely.
• 28:44
  I Hate Talking: That's fine.
• 28:45
  I Hate Talking: So, the highway, talk me through this.
• 28:48
  I Hate Talking: OK, so first, quick, quick, quick background.
• 28:52
  I Hate Talking: For this event, it's a weekly event we go to as a family.
• 28:55
  I Hate Talking: I'd say probably 50%, maybe more.
• 28:59
  I Hate Talking: 65% of the time I drive separate with the kids and you drive because you either come straight from work, or You are a leader in this group, so you either have to go early for meetings or stay later.
• 29:15
  I Hate Talking: So depending on what the schedule is, is whether we go together or not.
• 29:19
  I Hate Talking: So it was actually odd that you were home and we drove together.
• 29:24
  I Hate Talking: That was not in the plan, that wasn't originally what we were gonna do.
• 29:28
  I Hate Talking: So, coincidentally or preordained or however you want to say it, we had one car.
• 29:34
  I Hate Talking: Cause we would have had 2 was the original plan.
• 29:39
  I Hate Talking: So I'm just saying that cause my plan was, I would have been driving traditionally, I would driven the kids and you would have driven separate.
• 29:48
  I Hate Talking: Because in my head, I thought we should get on the highway because this was my thought process, was because it is well kept up versus the back roads that we know that you like to take.
• 30:00
  I Hate Talking: And it's driven a lot, so the road is warm, cause these back roads aren't driven often.
• 30:07
  I Hate Talking: So I thought that they'd freeze quickly.
• 30:09
  I Hate Talking: And be more AC.
• 30:12
  I Hate Talking: And it's just a direct route home.
• 30:16
  I Hate Talking: So I was like, we should get on the highway, and that's probably what I would have done, was get on the highway, it's a direct route.
• 30:22
  I Hate Talking: It's in my head, I thought I would be less AC.
• 30:26
  I Hate Talking: And if you had done that, it would have ended up in the traffic or actually in the eight-car pileup that occurred, as well as highway shut down.
• 30:38
  I Hate Talking: The fact that some of those back roads that you would have to take from the highway to the house were actually avoided because we went through different back roads.
• 30:49
  I Hate Talking: So there's a number of different reasons that you would be best served by perhaps avoiding the highway.
• 30:56
  I Hate Talking: One is because of just the sheer amount of traffic and the fact that that highway particularly has a lot of bridges and overpasses which will freeze more quickly than a regular road surface so that would be.
• 31:15
  I Hate Talking: Some reasons to avoid that.
• 31:17
  I Hate Talking: And then perhaps it's true in perhaps snowy conditions that you would want to go in the more well traveled roads because like you said, there are gonna be more vehicles and it's going to be More well packed or more well traveled and therefore give you a little bit more of control.
• 31:34
  I Hate Talking: But in these icy conditions, it doesn't necessarily really matter and because of the amount of traffic and the speed that you'd actually want to avoid those icy conditions and just stick with the back roads.
• 31:50
  I Hate Talking: The back roads also will give you a little bit perhaps more control.
• 31:54
  I Hate Talking: So like if you do come to a particular instance where there is traffic or an accident, that you have the opportunity to go on a different route rather than being just stuck on the highway and you're sort of committed to that particular route.
• 32:12
  I Hate Talking: Right.
• 32:13
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, for, I mean, for our specific situation where I would have gotten on.
• 32:17
  I Hate Talking: We drove by it and you were like, see, that's why we're not on it.
• 32:21
  I Hate Talking: And I was glad you made that choice.
• 32:23
  I Hate Talking: But had we gotten on, yeah, it's 4 miles.
• 32:26
  I Hate Talking: You're stuck.
• 32:27
  I Hate Talking: There's no, for our specific, some, I know lots of areas have much closer together on and off ramps, but in our area right there, that's uh at least 4 + mile commitment.
• 32:39
  I Hate Talking: And it was a dead stop for hours.
• 32:42
  I Hate Talking: -- So we did not go that -- way.
• 32:44
  I Hate Talking: No, thank God, thank you.
• 32:45
  I Hate Talking: -- And -- we went on literally the back roads, which were not without their excitement either.
• 32:52
  I Hate Talking: No.
• 32:53
  I Hate Talking: So we arrived at our final road and we're attempting to get from this road onto our side road onto our driveway to our house.
• 33:04
  I Hate Talking: -- So -- we were almost home, like literally.
• 33:07
  I Hate Talking: Maybe not literally, but almost, almost literally.
• 33:12
  I Hate Talking: You could see our, we still have our Christmas lights up.
• 33:15
  I Hate Talking: You could see our house with the lights, like we were that close.
• 33:18
  I Hate Talking: So we got to our road where we were preparing to make our turn onto our road and that does consist of a hill and a curve, and we were able to visibly see one car off to the side into the ditch and a mail truck.
• 33:35
  I Hate Talking: Into the ditch on the other side.
• 33:38
  I Hate Talking: And then a vehicle that was stopped sort of directly in the middle of the road, sort of, I guess on our lane, but.
• 33:45
  I Hate Talking: Halfway up the hill and that was sort of what we encountered as we came to our what was supposed to be our final turn.
• 33:53
  I Hate Talking: Right, so we paused for a long while waiting to see what other people were doing.
• 33:57
  I Hate Talking: There were 2 cars in front of us.
• 33:59
  I Hate Talking: Eventually they both U-turned in front of us and left.
• 34:03
  I Hate Talking: But our house literally was right there.
• 34:06
  I Hate Talking: You just had to go finish going up the hill, turn.
• 34:10
  I Hate Talking: And then go down our street, like we were so close.
• 34:14
  I Hate Talking: So I didn't want a U-turn.
• 34:16
  I Hate Talking: There, there's only one other way to get to our home, and it's across the hill.
• 34:20
  I Hate Talking: You'd have to circle the entire mountain, but it's a small one.
• 34:23
  I Hate Talking: And that's worse because the other side has severe drop-offs that if you do make a wrong turn, like you're falling, and that's terrifying.
• 34:35
  I Hate Talking: And I did consider that because although there are some steep drop offs, the road itself is actually relatively straight.
• 34:42
  I Hate Talking: So this, yeah, our road is up and down, very hilly, so.
• 34:47
  I Hate Talking: You decide to try to bypass the car in the middle to get up a hill like you're like, I maybe I'll just gun it and we will go.
• 34:56
  I Hate Talking: No, I was not going to gun it.
• 34:59
  I Hate Talking: You you know if we weren't in the car.
• 35:01
  I Hate Talking: I, OK, honestly, no one else was listening, just me.
• 35:06
  I Hate Talking: Just right now tell me that wasn't in your head at all.
• 35:11
  I Hate Talking: If the car had not been there in the way and making poor decisions to like sit directly in the path of traffic, listen first, OK, yes, then yes, I would have proceeded slowly and got a running start at the hill and attempted to make it.
• 35:28
  I Hate Talking: OK, exactly.
• 35:29
  I Hate Talking: So yeah, you would have.
• 35:30
  I Hate Talking: I knew it.
• 35:31
  I Hate Talking: I was so scared.
• 35:32
  I Hate Talking: OK, first, yes, this person did not do the right thing.
• 35:35
  I Hate Talking: So maybe we should talk about that because maybe people don't know what to do.
• 35:38
  I Hate Talking: She was terrified.
• 35:40
  I Hate Talking: She was literally terrified.
• 35:42
  I Hate Talking: She was parked and just frozen in that spot, and that's what I want to talk about.
• 35:47
  I Hate Talking: It's like that, was it the fight, flight, fight, flee, freeze, or fawn, right?
• 35:55
  I Hate Talking: What's it called?
• 35:57
  I Hate Talking: Not familiar with that.
• 35:58
  I Hate Talking: What is it?
• 35:59
  I Hate Talking: You know what I'm talking about.
• 36:00
  I Hate Talking: Flight or fight.
• 36:02
  I Hate Talking: Fight You're talking about run hide fight?
• 36:06
  I Hate Talking: No, like, -- it's -- all.
• 36:08
  I Hate Talking: -- Are you talking about active shooter -- training?
• 36:11
  I Hate Talking: Any in any emergency situation.
• 36:13
  I Hate Talking: She was in an emergency situation.
• 36:15
  I Hate Talking: Flight or fight?
• 36:17
  I Hate Talking: Freeze.
• 36:18
  I Hate Talking: And then I guess some probably therapist added there's 4.
• 36:24
  I Hate Talking: OK, we'll just keep adding them until it covers all the scenarios.
• 36:27
  I Hate Talking: OK, that's a whole another time we can talk about that because I fully believe in it.
• 36:32
  I Hate Talking: But yes, so I think she was in the freeze where like.
• 36:35
  I Hate Talking: She saw, she probably, I don't know, I wasn't there.
• 36:40
  I Hate Talking: She was there earlier.
• 36:41
  I Hate Talking: -- She probably saw one or two of the cars or -- she definitely be there today.
• 36:45
  I Hate Talking: She saw the two cars on the side of the curb in front of her.
• 36:50
  I Hate Talking: And she did not know what to do.
• 36:54
  I Hate Talking: She was not in a safe spot, and she was actually making everyone else more unsafe.
• 37:00
  I Hate Talking: But what else was she gonna do?
• 37:03
  I Hate Talking: Because when you tried to pass her, We started slipping so bad and you had to reverse back to our original spot to U-turn.
• 37:13
  I Hate Talking: That is true.
• 37:14
  I Hate Talking: I did not have the angle.
• 37:19
  I Hate Talking: That's untrue.
• 37:19
  I Hate Talking: Well, from her angle, but she could have just backed up.
• 37:22
  I Hate Talking: She would have had to know she could back up.
• 37:26
  I Hate Talking: I think that the car she was driving was overpowered for what she was capable of.
• 37:33
  I Hate Talking: It's a really nice car.
• 37:34
  I Hate Talking: She had a very nice car.
• 37:36
  I Hate Talking: She did.
• 37:37
  I Hate Talking: So it definitely could have handled what she needed to do for this particular scenario.
• 37:43
  I Hate Talking: OK, also super side note, when we lived in Pennsylvania.
• 37:48
  I Hate Talking: Um, many, many, many years ago we lived on the hill also.
• 37:52
  I Hate Talking: And one time we kept watching this lady try to go up the hill and she'd slide back down continuously.
• 37:58
  I Hate Talking: A truck driver ended up getting out and making her get out, and he drove her car up.
• 38:03
  I Hate Talking: Remember?
• 38:04
  I Hate Talking: I do.
• 38:05
  I Hate Talking: I do remember that.
• 38:06
  I Hate Talking: -- So -- yes, on the first attempt.
• 38:07
  I Hate Talking: You could have probably taken her car and driven it up maybe and been OK.
• 38:13
  I Hate Talking: But we did not do that.
• 38:16
  I Hate Talking: Instead, you U-turned it.
• 38:18
  I Hate Talking: I did you turn it, -- so we did make that -- you turned our car, I guess I should clarify you left her.
• 38:26
  I Hate Talking: -- We left -- her there.
• 38:27
  I Hate Talking: Good luck.
• 38:28
  I Hate Talking: We did try our feeble attempt at bypassing her and trying to do it, but with the, the angles and the hills, it was definitely not going to be possible because if you turned at all, you would hit the mail truck because he was in the ditch.
• 38:43
  I Hate Talking: So it was either hit her, the mail truck, or the truck in front of her.
• 38:49
  I Hate Talking: Like there was no path.
• 38:51
  I Hate Talking: It would have to be a perfect straight shot.
• 38:53
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, and there's other vehicles at the top of the hill that were also, I think, stuck because this particular vehicle was.
• 39:01
  I Hate Talking: Frozen, as you said, uh, but nonetheless, we did U-turn and.
• 39:07
  I Hate Talking: Went and talked to a number of other vehicles that were at the time behind us that we were now within speaking distance of and, you know, basically just related the situation to them and uh let them make their own decision.
• 39:21
  I Hate Talking: But we parked at a neighbor's house, so we again hyperbole ditched the vehicle but we parked in a parking space in a driveway.
• 39:33
  I Hate Talking: Of a neighbor's house.
• 39:35
  I Hate Talking: -- He -- was out watching the show.
• 39:37
  I Hate Talking: He was watching what was happening.
• 39:39
  I Hate Talking: So I talked to him, made sure that we were able to leave the vehicle there and then we proceeded to.
• 39:46
  I Hate Talking: As you said, quote unquote hike the, uh, the short distance from the neighbor's house to our own house.
• 39:53
  I Hate Talking: Oh man, was it a half mile, maybe a mile?
• 39:57
  I Hate Talking: -- It was more than -- up to a half mile was 0.3 miles.
• 40:01
  I Hate Talking: -- You -- think I looked it up.
• 40:03
  I Hate Talking: You looked it up.
• 40:05
  I Hate Talking: But like, do hills count because we had two hills we had to climb.
• 40:09
  I Hate Talking: We did have to climb our own hill and then there was also the hill that -- we were actually trying to traverse up during the -- icy hills we had to hike.
• 40:18
  I Hate Talking: Yes, that is true.
• 40:18
  I Hate Talking: So, yes, OK.
• 40:21
  I Hate Talking: Also, praise to us, like, if I can pat ourselves on the back for a quick second, because Everyone, OK, maybe that's just my parenting, but everybody had their shoes and socks, everyone had a winter coat, and everybody also had a flashlight or headlamp.
• 40:40
  I Hate Talking: There's sometimes we get in the car and we may not have all of those items with us.
• 40:48
  I Hate Talking: Yes, that's ridiculous.
• 40:50
  I Hate Talking: I find that frustrating even thinking about the fact that there's even the remote possibility of not having shoes or a coat.
• 40:57
  I Hate Talking: Flashlights, like a lot of people don't have flashlights.
• 41:00
  I Hate Talking: I would, I would say flashlights would be at least one per vehicle would be acceptable.
• 41:06
  I Hate Talking: The fact that we did have all our own, that was nice.
• 41:09
  I Hate Talking: And there's some people I did actually read on some social medias later, the, you know, the next day that people were quote unquote dying of thirst because they were stuck in this eight car pileup and they didn't have any water with them.
• 41:23
  I Hate Talking: Well, I thought of that afterwards because we do have water in our trunk as well.
• 41:26
  I Hate Talking: And I was like, we should have grabbed waters and passed them to the cars as we were walking past them.
• 41:31
  I Hate Talking: We should have offered water because we could have, but we didn't.
• 41:36
  I Hate Talking: Cause we also, I thought about like, should we get a backpack, like, I mean, you actually had a backpack that had stuff.
• 41:42
  I Hate Talking: You had a go bag.
• 41:44
  I Hate Talking: In my head I was like, should I grab more stuff?
• 41:46
  I Hate Talking: And I was like, our house, literally, you can see it.
• 41:48
  I Hate Talking: We'll get there.
• 41:49
  I Hate Talking: -- We're -- fine.
• 41:50
  I Hate Talking: That was also frustrating the fact that we could not just exit the vehicle and be ready to walk, that you had to find your phone, that it was like not in your pocket and like your keys weren't ready.
• 42:02
  I Hate Talking: -- So I -- didn't, I didn't know.
• 42:06
  I Hate Talking: I stepped out of the vehicle, closed the door, and was ready to go.
• 42:10
  I Hate Talking: OK, OK, OK, OK, -- a -- child that needs to get their stuff gonna like stop making you stop talking, so.
• 42:17
  I Hate Talking: Every other mom in the world, let's listen to this, understands that she has to like be like, child 4, do you have your socks and shoes on?
• 42:30
  I Hate Talking: Here's your winter coat.
• 42:31
  I Hate Talking: Grab your light.
• 42:33
  I Hate Talking: And I remember having to tell you like, I need you to help me zip these coats up because my hands, it was so cold.
• 42:39
  I Hate Talking: It was In the double digits, which for us is extremely cold.
• 42:45
  I Hate Talking: It was, I was falling from the sky.
• 42:49
  I Hate Talking: It wasn't snow at that point.
• 42:50
  I Hate Talking: It was ice.
• 42:51
  I Hate Talking: It was so cold and windy, and my hands are shaking as I'm trying to zip up their coats.
• 42:56
  I Hate Talking: I'm like, you need to help me because you were like, I'm ready, let's go, which I'm thankful that you got us there.
• 43:02
  I Hate Talking: You got us safely.
• 43:03
  I Hate Talking: I'm not dissing that at all.
• 43:04
  I Hate Talking: But then you were like frustrated that like, I'm like, kids, get your shoes on, kids get your coats on, get your hats on.
• 43:12
  I Hate Talking: And I was like, I need your help.
• 43:14
  I Hate Talking: And then, yes, I understand, we all started walking and then I realized that my phone was still in the car.
• 43:19
  I Hate Talking: Like, I have to go back and get my phone.
• 43:21
  I Hate Talking: But I put it down on the middle console.
• 43:23
  I Hate Talking: To grab the coats and.
• 43:26
  I Hate Talking: So, yes, that's my error, but also, I feel like I had a lot of other things I was tending to that I could have had help with.
• 43:36
  I Hate Talking: Indeed, I did help.
• 43:38
  I Hate Talking: I helped put on the jackets and got the jackets out of the trunk.
• 43:41
  I Hate Talking: You got us there safe, like 100%.
• 43:44
  I Hate Talking: I know that had we been driving separately, I would have been.
• 43:48
  I Hate Talking: It is one of the reasons that I make all the kids when they ride with me or I'm the driver, they have socks and shoes on when they are in the vehicle, no matter what.
• 43:58
  I Hate Talking: Right.
• 43:59
  I Hate Talking: I think, yeah, I, OK, personal note, I hate socks and shoes.
• 44:05
  I Hate Talking: If you know me personally, you know this.
• 44:08
  I Hate Talking: I hate wearing them.
• 44:09
  I Hate Talking: So I'm sure that trickles down on my children.
• 44:12
  I Hate Talking: I don't force them to wear them.
• 44:14
  I Hate Talking: Until absolutely necessary.
• 44:17
  I Hate Talking: But there would have been times in the past, like other.
• 44:22
  I Hate Talking: Times That we would have ended up there without a coat or two or without a pair of shoes or two.
• 44:32
  I Hate Talking: So we all had them.
• 44:34
  I Hate Talking: We had all our gear.
• 44:35
  I Hate Talking: We were ready for her, which when you say half mile, less than half mile hike, that sounds embarrassing.
• 44:42
  I Hate Talking: But it was legit.
• 44:43
  I Hate Talking: We were the road actually was very icy.
• 44:46
  I Hate Talking: I was, I was surprised.
• 44:48
  I Hate Talking: And we did, we did go down a hill, up a hill, then we got to the road.
• 44:53
  I Hate Talking: The road was like a sheet of ice, so I was actually quite surprised that it was as bad as it was as it was just walking on it.
• 45:01
  I Hate Talking: So then we had to move to the shoulder and then proceed -- along our -- once we got on the grass, we got started walking on grass.
• 45:09
  I Hate Talking: It was hard, but it wasn't like you're slipping and sliding.
• 45:13
  I Hate Talking: It was really fun.
• 45:15
  I Hate Talking: That part was actually cool because there were people parked, right?
• 45:18
  I Hate Talking: Cause they didn't know what to do.
• 45:19
  I Hate Talking: They were stuck.
• 45:20
  I Hate Talking: There were also houses around, the people were out watching.
• 45:25
  I Hate Talking: Cause this is so rare for our area that people are watching what's happening.
• 45:30
  I Hate Talking: And it was actually cool.
• 45:31
  I Hate Talking: Like people were cheering us on and praising that like, we had a whole crowd of, um, it was like a parade.
• 45:38
  I Hate Talking: It was really fun and one of our kids ate it up, had the best time waving at people and um Some of them were having fun skidding up and down the hill, and I, in hindsight, I wish I would have led them.
• 45:54
  I Hate Talking: I wish I'd been the fun mom that would let them just run up and down the hill.
• 46:00
  I Hate Talking: But I was in such survival mode.
• 46:03
  I Hate Talking: I was like, walk like a penguin, go quickly, safely, slowly.
• 46:09
  I Hate Talking: Now I'm like, oh, I should have let them enjoy the ice skating they were trying to do.
• 46:14
  I Hate Talking: No, I think we still made the right decision to just get.
• 46:18
  I Hate Talking: Back to where we needed to do.
• 46:20
  I Hate Talking: So, so yes, people were praising us from their vehicles and from the backyards of their houses.
• 46:28
  I Hate Talking: So if you've enjoyed this episode, you can praise this episode by leaving a review or a star rating and share it with uh other friends and family as you so desire.
• 46:41
  I Hate Talking: So from your friends that I hate Talking, until next time, remember, it is only through talking that we begin the journey to understanding.