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PAX Aus 2017 with Luke and Hannah · Multiple Nerdgasm

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okay welcome to a very special episode of multiple nasm I'm here with my wife
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Hannah again hello and we're here to discuss packs we just got back and we
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are still exhausted yes all right I lie we didn't just get
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back this is the day after we got back because we were exhausted and just
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couldn't record when we got home and also because Luke made big promises to
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Jenna so as his tradition he instantly broke them that's what I do now so start
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off what did you think of packs um cuz you didn't go last year no I didn't okay
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so this is my first packs in two years
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my third packs overall and honestly I
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don't quite think I am the target market for packs I will be honest about that
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okay so for those of you who may not know PX is the Penny Arcade Expo I think
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there's what three four a year in different locations and this one was Pax
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Australia so Pax focuses on games video
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games tabletop games game design game development and let's be honest of the
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two of us which one would you say is the bigger gamer okay yes it is me yet
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surprisingly which one of us dominated a tournament and is now a Medal winner
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yeah I thought we weren't going to bring that up yes I went into about four
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tabletop tournaments every day and got knocked out the first round of every
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single one but what happened with you on the very last day of facts in the dying
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hours I just rolled like a mother flipping champ and took out King of
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Tokyo which the guy who looks after the tabletop area Spike or Patrick is his
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actual name that was actually his dream that we would be in the same tournament
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and you would win and I would lose yeah it's a little weird when someone you
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barely know comes up to and says I hope you beat your husband but you know who
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was I to dismiss the wishes of a well-meaning stranger now we didn't just played board
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games while we there we did try and do other things what's something that
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stands out for you as is tradition of packs there were certain highs and lows
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so first off I believe we really should say a big thank you to all the
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organizers of packs who are absolutely fantastic organizers and the enforcers
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they all do an amazing job special shout out too for the organizers who helped
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clear the path for us a couple of times um we were traveling around packs with
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the wheelchair which does make things a little bit more challenging as you've
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seen on the Instagram only one of us got a superhero entrance to
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building that really slowed us down in the morning us down slow us slowed you
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down this is my normal speed yeah so thank you again to all the
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organizers of fact we did have a very good time as mentioned before I'm not
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the biggest games person but I did see some really exciting ideas there and you
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know as a not really a gamer game person if you're getting me excited about
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something you're doing something right I will turn you into a gamer one day I
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will get you to play games with me at least maybe not a gamer yeah maybe as is
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Tradition at pack we started off by hitting the Indie floor and the Indie
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floor is absolutely amazing it's Australia has some great developers out
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here it's just a shame that there aren't more more of them and even maybe some
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bigger Studios like there used to be well what I love too is I've just
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noticed from the outside over the past few years there's been a real push with
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games where they're saying hey if there aren't games that you like if you don't
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feel you're being represented in the traditional game industry get into the
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game industry make your own and that's the real sense I took away from the
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Indie flaw this year was like people were making games they wanted to play
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and you really got that enthusiasm when they were talking to you and I think one
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of the people Gil who's making working on odd Gods that's what he was also
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saying like he wanted to go back to the old '90s style isometric Fallout type of
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game but no one's going to make that anymore so he just decided he'll make it
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himself yeah I have to be honest you played a lot of games at packs while I
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was quietly observing SL quietly turning down some of the games makers seriously
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that was a bit odd guys anyway um and odg gods I think was one
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of the ones where you were the most excited I saw I got something uh the day
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before we left I got an email from them saying hey we're there come and have a
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look at our game and the first day were there they had been troubles in in the
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morning and then completely forgot about it until the last day now odd Gods okay
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just as an observer I would kind of describe it as it's kind of like being
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in an episode of Buffy like you're in the '90s you get to pick which archetype
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you're going to be are you a goth a skater a Sona people interact with you
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in different ways depending on which character you've chosen and there are
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some really Nifty little elements to it as well so aside from being a goth you
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get to also pick say what favorite type of music is so if you're a goth that
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likes boy bands it can really help you on some of the quests because you can
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make this connection with other players well not other players because you know
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it's a one person but like other characters and off you go so yeah
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instead of like being like most RPGs where you pick off picking Like a
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Warrior or spellcast or something like that you do go out and pick genres from
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the '90s and they've got things like the skateboarders the Goths the Slackers the
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grunt rockers the Nerds like all those things that most of us would remember
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the '90s for me slightly less so but as anyone who's heard Luke talk about his
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music taste before on the podcast knows I think Luke kind of thinks he's still
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in the '90s the '90s end of '90s beginning in 2000s was the best time for
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music and it should never do anything else after that okay old man bring back
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nany Vandal I don't think they've officially gone away so sorry Fox trky
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if you're listening but yeah so this just does
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remind me of now this is a while off so we're not expecting this game to come
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out next week or anything but they've got some good experience working on this
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and I'm really looking forward to this coming out when it does now at the
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moment it's probably only going to be a PC steam game they're maybe probably
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waiting to see how it does go and then they might think about Xbox or consoles
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pretty much which this says how much I actually am looking forward to this game
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if it only comes out on PC I'm still going to play it I'm not going to say
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buy it because I buy everything even if I don't play it but this one is
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true like my steam L 600 games and I've played maybe five of them but this will
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be a game that I do play so yeah Gil from the odd Gods development team we're
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looking forward to it buddy send us an email when you've got a release date we
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are Keen yes also Luke will do a cameo cover of any '90s song you choose
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provided it's by a band that played in Sydney in the late '90s he early 2000s
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it won't be good but I'll do it okay so speaking of Musical games not
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really it's an awkward segue let's just roll with it um another game that I
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really liked was spin Rhythm yes because it's everything you liked about DJ Hero
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but we're too afraid to admit to everyone who hated DJ Hero I don't know
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why everyone hated DJ Hero so much I really enjoyed it and I really wish they
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would make more more because I still got my my decks there waiting to go but this
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might let me do it again and it's actually probably a little bit more
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interesting and complex and then also I found it easier than DJ Hero it's weird
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Okay so to give people the full rundown spin rhythm is very much your classic
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rhythm game so you've played guitar hero you've played band band hero band
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guitars guitar band whatever um similar concept screen you've got the little
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colors coming towards you tap in the same sequence you're good to go but what
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made this a little bit different was that they had modified a DJ deck like an
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actual DJ deck that you could then use as a controller with this game and I
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just picked it up really quickly and it just was doing quite well didn't quite
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get up to hard while I was there but I I think that impressed the guys that did
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not stop Luke from trying I did try a few times it did not go well but I did
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it's this is one that this is also not out I'm not sure when they're looking
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coming out but this one I'm actually looking to buy DJ deck so I can play it
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I believe they said March or April next year um what the team is trying to do
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though is at the moment their Tunes are a little bit limited so they want to
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widen that up a little bit more obviously if you're not a fan of EDM or
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other Electronica this may not be the best game for you but let's be honest if
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you love a good rhythm game and you love like a novelty controller definitely
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worth a look now you also don't need the controller to play it that is true
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that's another thing like you can I think they even had it set up on a phone and
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mouse this is pretty much designed to play with a mouse but I will admit like
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the tactile nature of actually having a spin wheel it it really made you get
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more into the game y so yeah this will be one that I'm definitely picking up I
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think we're still a while off away from the release theyve only been working on
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it a few months but then they're still trying to work out maybe to see if they
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can try and get some big what's the word I'm looking for people who play music
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artists to maybe come on board and maybe play some stuff with them although for
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them creators of spin Rhythm not going to tell you how to run your business but
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this would actually be a really really cool game to team up like you guys are
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in Indie Studio why not team up with some indie musicians I think they have
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yeah they have but you know they should take this idea and run with it yeah yeah
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but I think to if they can get sort of that big name on there to attach to the
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project that will sort of give them a b boost dead mouse we know that you're a
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keen listener of multiple nerdgasm so you know send us an email podcast at n
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multiple nerdgasm tocom and we'll put you in touch God I do love Rhythm music
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games I really do but as we found out in the blush boox Arena you also love a
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game with a novelty controller I was okay so I know what game you're talking
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about now and this is just everyone's seen and heard of this game I think
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genal jousting yeah sorry sorry just one more time that is genital jousting not
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genital jousting that's a different game it's what I said sort of Matt if you're
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editing this week's episode would love a remix of that the general Jousting is
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the one where you play a penis that's trying to get into a butt that's pretty
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much the okay that makes it sound like your opponent is a penis we should make
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it clear that in this game everyone is a penis and everyone has a butt yeah um
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for anyone who's having difficulty visualizing this just jump on our
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Instagram page I think we posted a pick of Luke playing this game and thoroughly
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enjoying himself explaining the controller to people yeah the the
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controller that they'd set up was a custom controller it was a giant black
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dildo yeah there were a few guys in the blush boox area who I think had a bit of
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an Awakening of sorts they were they were a bit tentative at first but people
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got really into it it just felt really natural to me
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and I it was fun cuz I was I was there for a few games and got to teach people
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how to play and I think a few people when they initially got there were a bit
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hesitant to jump on and stop playing but that was mostly because a slightly Tipsy
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redhead was yelling at them just grab it just grab it they'll give you a fresh
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condom if you need that was nice they actually did have condoms on the dildos for health
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and safety reasons and a lot of hand sanitizer do you think that were used
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used for what the dildos they would have been clean right they're just for the controller
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right oh god I didn't even think about that I'm happy mine had a condom be safe
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out there people they all do oh yeah pax's PA is quite interesting in that
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way because the big message of paxes really is that games are for everyone
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mhm and that there is a game for everyone yes now late night Pax is
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traditionally in the tabletop tney area yep where you can do things like late
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night werewolf Cards Against amenities and essentially play the kinds of games
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that you don't want the kids who are on the floor during the day to sort of see
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but that's what I found quite interesting was the upstairs area where
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the blush boox area was was a whole area of adult games and this adult not
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necessarily in the sense of nudity it could also been adult themes and I just
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found it really kind of cool in a way that they were willing to open it up to
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those kinds of games as well I did get a bit of a shock when we did walk in there
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and went wow that have now it wasn't 18 only room so yeah there were different
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wristbands for the weekend so there was for black was 18 red was 15 and I think
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if you didn't have one you just we don't care about you yeah pretty much wrist
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pen system was of course incredibly important because of the South Park
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fractured butthole exhibit that took up a surprising portion of the floor
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actually but sort of hidden away is at the same time so no one could see what
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was happening very clever use of florid to ceiling screening
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now I didn't actually play that while I was there the reason for that and I was
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actually talking to one of the guys who worked at Ubisoft about it cuz he gone
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have you given a try and but no cuz I've completed the game 100% already I
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actually enjoyed that game though so yeah it took you what three four days of
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play three days yeah and I all I could hear was just you laughing from the
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landr so just like watching an episode of South Park it really is let's see I'm
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just having a look cuz I did drop down a whole bunch of things that we thought
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were pretty cool we can talk about my girlfriend yeah that's true I I picked up while I
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was there I'm very proud of this actually I'm not proud of it I am she
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was gorgeous on the very first day I ran into this gorgeous gorgeous actually I
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have to stop you for a second PS one of their really strict rules is no Booth
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babes is I think Booth bab is a gender neutral term yeah yeah yeah yeah so one
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of P's strictest rules is no Booth babes and I will be honest I think they flew a
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little too close to the son with this one she just had gorgeous blue eyes sort
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of a bit darker skin and uh four legs and big floppy ears yeah I'm talking about a
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dog um it was actually quite good uh Destiny 2 doing some advertised they
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actually teamed up with the Shane working dog rescue they had working dogs
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there that were available for adoption I believe okay I also need to make this
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really clear because like most of the listeners right now I'm guessing you're
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thinking okay how the the heck does that work because you've got working dogs in
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a huge convention and to be honest when I read the press release that they sent
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us in advance I was a bit hesitant I was thinking oh do I forward this to rspca
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Victoria um but when we got there what they' done was they'd set the dogs up in
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the thoroughfare outside the convention hall so the dogs had heaps of space um
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they had handlers with them at all times and they were rotated constantly so
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don't worry everyone the dogs were well looked after yeah they didn't spend like
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15 hours out on the floor with lots of people around but they were there sort
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of also of raise money and raise awareness and I will be honest I may
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have made out with Nimble for anyone who would like to see some of these photos
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please email podcast multipl nerdgasm docomo you can't tell if it's Luke or
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the dog's tongue whose do you think it is I didn't ask at the time and I think
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marriages need a little bit of mystery that was one of the Charities
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that was really well represented at packs the other one of course being
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child play now I actually really like child play and I actually ended up
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buying two tows from them I know I could have probably spent more but I didn't
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actually have enough money I'd already spent lots of money on the weekend but
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Child's Play is a really great initiative it's to sort of help sick
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kids sick kids and also kids who have mental health issues I don't think we
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really need to give them too much of a boost because they do fantastic work one
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of the things I actually quite like the adult advertising one of the ways that
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they help kids and it's actually something that I use in my everyday and
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that's for pain therapy now what it is is with pain therapy it's you play games
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to take your mind off the pain so you'll play a game that distracts you from
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what's actually happening and it really works so that's what I quite like that
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they do and if anyone would like to contribute to Luke's ongoing pain relief
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therapy and help him explore alternative therapies please become a patreon
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sponsor you can do this by visiting patreon.com and searching for multiple
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nerdgasm as little as $1 an episode will really help Luke all you know is save up
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your pennies donate them to Child's Play Yeah the more games I play the less I
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take painkillers and alcohol yeah but I also get to hear a lot of winging and
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whining about the game so you know actually speaking of games Luke's
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gameplay I think it's time we address the elephant in the room of what else
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happened during packs okay as a lot of you may know I've had a really good
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achievement streak going so for 97 days
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I had an Xbox achievement every day at least one I'd like to point out that
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during this time we got married we went on honeymoons we traveled overseas he
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was working full-time y this like yeah this included like two trips to America
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Japan weddings like it it was a lot and then on the first day of packs I just
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forgot it's gone 97 days and now I'm back down to 2 days and it's got to
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start again so depressing I know it means nothing and I don't get anything
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for it but it really felt good I was going for that thousand days and yeah so
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um see I'll see you again in a th days and I'll see we'll see if I've made it
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wait you're going to see me again in a thousand days no we're going to see the
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I'm going to lissus will hear us in another thousand days and they'll find
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out if I made it okay so listeners if you hear me on the podcast before a
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thousand days has gone past something happen to Luke I actually
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forgot that happened I keep forgetting about it and then it comes back to me
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and it's really sad and while we're on the sad note we should mention the other
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great disappointment of packs which was the oysters now this was not the fault
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of packs the pxs organizers any of the enforcers any of the fine folks we met
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anywhere at packs including the wonderful people in the diversity Lounge
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forgot to give you a shout out before but diversity Lounge I love you but
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still have a small bone to pick with you someone in the diversity Lounge made
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these amazing biscuits that you were selling to help support Child's Play I
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purchased let's not say how many let's just let's just say I was hungry or how
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much you donated to get them hey hey hey I was told to coin a donation I had no
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coins I only had notes what do you want me to do anyway so there I was trying to
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be a big roller didn't go well similar to when I participated in the charity
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auction towards the end of packs and realized when someone bid $450 for diece
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set I was like oh I'm a bit outmatched here I do not have $750 for an Xbox One
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onesie my bone I my bone I need to pick
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is you made some delicious biscuits but there was no recipe card so if anyone
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from the diversity lounge or any Bakers want to get in touch and send me their
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recipes for how one makes raspberry double chock biscuits podcast at multip
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nerdgasm tocom I know I keep saying the email address but I'm just hoping
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someone will respond with that recipe but sorry back to the oysters this has
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been a tradition that started at the very second packs in Australia because
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the first one wasn't actually at the entertainment center but the second year
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we went and next to packs is the Melbourne public and every year they
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have had Dollar oyers on the Friday for lunch bucka shock bucka shock as it is
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colloquially known and started off with Matt and Jenner and then it's extended
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and it's gone with my new friends that we've come along the way Eric
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and Chris no they only went this year they never got to experience bucker Shar
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but anyway it's continued and I would get there on the at lunch and I'll go
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give me a dozen oysters I'll sit down have a drink and then buy probably a
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couple dozen more and again I'd like to make it clear that like many other
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things Luke does this was a solo effort just a man an oyster and a shock I did
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share with you yeah one year I was granted three oysters then told if I
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wanted more I should buy my own dozen which Luke then at half of yes I like
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oysters and they're a great price but no this year we went there and there's no
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bucker shock anymore there is also an international oyster shortage and severe
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issues with I don't care about any of that oyster farming I want my cheap
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oysters that's yeah I don't care about the shortage just give me my oysters
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some places we're charging like four bucks for an oyster that's ridiculous I
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don't even want anything fancy like kill Patrick just give me a natural oyster
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why don't you just I don't know catch the train out to the oyster farm and
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dive into the ocean with your own shocking knife I want it to come to me
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I'm not going to do effort and this was clear when we played
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a game called party crashers where somehow I was better at it than you once
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I figured out which character I was on the screen y so yeah that took a little
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while to work out yeah also um Indie developers of packs your games are good
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fun I love that you let everyone have a go but maybe tell people which one they
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are because it gets really confusing uh and to be fair everyone else had an Xbox
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controller at this booth ball I had a PlayStation 4 One yep and I would I
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don't know how to use them they're terrible yeah um I'm a everyone knows
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I'm an Xbox person that's why I'm used to those controllers I just don't get
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Sony controllers well it was weird because when I hold a Nintendo switch I
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feel like I've got giant hands which possibly I do people have always been
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polite though but the ex sorry the PlayStation controllers
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I don't know I think either my hands are too big or too small it's just not a
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good fit I think it's also the fact that because you when we you normally do play
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here it's with an Xbox controller so you do get used to the Sticks being slightly
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different Luke let's be honest when I play here it's with a computer mouse and
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keyboard okay yes party Crushers now this is from the
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guys who made party golf who actually um had a chat with last year if you
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remember they've made a new game uh party crashers so it's in much that same
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style with that bright colors and everything and super customizable it's
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only sort of relatively new so they're still just stting to work on it going
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really well so far and I'm looking forward to getting my hands on a copy
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when it does come out now at the moment it is only going to be a PC game and I
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think they were telling us they're going to go into Early Access soon and sort of
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Build It Up with the community to be honest I'm a little surprised that
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they're going with PC first I understand like you know distribution
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and platform issues and all that kind of thing this strikes me as a kind of well
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like it says it's it's a fun party game I want three friends in a room everyone
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with a controller ideally matching controllers knowing who they are yeah
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maybe get the old split screen happening yeah it's all for that couch Co-op play
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which they did great with party Golf and this will work and now I can tell you
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why they're going PC first cheap uh pretty much it's cost a lot of money to
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get past sort of the certification on on Sony and Xbox where so it is sort of
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just cheaper to get your game out into steam so it's a great place to sort of
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especially when you're going to Early Access so you don't have a full game to
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release yet that's the place you want to build it you want to sort of get it on
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Steam build it up then and then once it's ready to go get it onto other
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platforms and I think what they'll do is they will probably do what they've done
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with party Golf and they'll probably start off with steam and then follow off
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onto they on to PlayStation um Nintendo and it's coming out in the Xbox one soon
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so once that comes out in the Xbox one I will be buying it and we will be playing
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it I need there achievements we'll see so yeah with party crashers one of
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the game types that we played was just you're driving along a course and you
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got to just try and not be last otherwise cuz if you fall behind too
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much you die and it's just the last man standing wins other great thing about
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this game is the fact that it's not the same game every time that's true um and
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there were a few indie game developers playing with this kind of format where
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it would be a similar gaming concept like objective remain the same but they
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really switched it up when it came to how different levels felt and things
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like that and a game that I actually I liked way more than I thought I would
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that did something similar was brief battles ah yes so in this one you're
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like a little nubby character and it's
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your classic kind of Mario Smash
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Brothers kind of thing where you're trying to do duke it out you don't want
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to fall off the platforms but you put on different kinds of magical underwear
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that give you different abilities and what I really liked with this one is
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that they had fun with that kind of format and there were just little things
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like your little nby characters could actually climb walls and could stick to
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Ste ceilings and things like that which straight away opened up a whole lot more
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of the maps cuz I was having a chat with someone they've gone you got to go check
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this game out and they've gone it's like Super Smash Brothers the second I've
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said that I've sort of tuned out I'm not a fan of Super Smash Brothers yeah your
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exact words were why do I want to play more of that I didn't I don't like it
26:04
and then when I actually when I found what he was talking about cuz I found
26:08
out that I actually spoke to these guys last year and I actually did enjoy it
26:11
and this game's come a long way in a year they're actually at the stage where
26:15
they're starting to think about releasing um in so much that they've
26:20
actually got a Kickstarter going so we'll have a link in the show notes to
26:24
this I've been told I'm not allowed to Kickstart anything anymore is that still
26:28
the case or can I please Kickstart this we can discuss this one off a okay um
26:34
this is mainly because you buy stupid things yes I brought many stupid things
26:38
on Kickstarter but this isn't stupid and the great thing about this one is
26:44
they're aiming for Windows steam SL steam release and also Xbox one so that
26:50
means achievements yep they know their market and their Market is Luke also I
26:55
would like to do a shout out um to to the lovely gentleman who sat behind me
27:01
while I was having a go at brief battles trying to yell out
27:05
advice as mentioned before I'm not the biggest gamer gamy person I do know how
27:11
to hold the controller though but you know thanks man at as point he realized
27:15
that him yelling advice wasn't leading to me actually doing any better at all
27:20
so he just started cheerleading which I appreciate it that's all you
27:24
need so once we discuss this off air I'll probably be chucking them $20 so I
27:31
can get the windows or Xbox version wait so before we discuss it Luke has already
27:35
come to his conclusion well I'm not going to go the $14 version because that
27:40
want to give me the steam one whereas I need no no the one this is exactly what
27:45
you did at hand of Fate 2 as well before you even played it you just turned me
27:50
you're like it's going to be good it's going to be amazing I'm so excited it's
27:53
going to be the best game ever and then what happened it was uh great game again
27:59
um I played through the I didn't play through the first one I played the first
28:02
one and I struggled a bit I loved the G idea of the game I loved the game but it
28:08
was just too hard and the achievements were a bit insane so I actually stopped
28:13
playing it before I could finish it would Rage Quit be an appropriate verb
28:19
yeah but for hand Effect 2 it's almost as if they reached into your brain read
28:23
your feedback completely ignored it and just made a great game this is what
28:27
they've done they've actually listened to the community because the community
28:31
for gamers is really good at giving feedback unfortunately they're quite
28:36
toxic at giving feedback some at a time and guys you need to stop doing that
28:41
it's great to make your opinion heard but you got to do it in a nice way uh
28:45
yeah we had a chat with a few Indie designers about this and by guys we we
28:51
mean people generally it's not a gender thing there is like it's just about
28:55
being able to give feedback about the product not necessarily the person who
29:01
created it at the same time in other words please stop writing such hurtful
29:06
things about Dan to the inbox he does
29:11
read them with hand of Fate it's it's like a it's a tabletop game and they
29:16
actually are releasing a tabletop version of this game but it's a deck
29:20
building game so you collect cards as you go and this is sort of how you play
29:24
the game you by turning over cards your guy goes there and the cards will give
29:28
you things like locations special events weapons Shields Powers build up and
29:34
increase as you go along and then once you do get into the battle thing it's
29:38
like a normal hack and slash so you're controlling your character running
29:42
around trying to kill the enemies that are there it's like Yu-Gi-Oh meat squint
29:49
it is not in any way but hand of fade if you hand of Fate two if you wish to use
29:52
that tagline let me know I'm here yeah the second one they've just taken Tak on
29:58
a lot of feedback that they had from the first and they've just made they've just
30:01
improved upon what was already a great idea so the game's not doesn't ramp up
30:06
in difficulty quite as much as hand of Fate did which is good because a lot of
30:12
people didn't finish it because of those last few missions that actually quite
30:15
got hard the other thing is achievements and this is what they actually said like
30:19
they've listened to the achievement community and they didn't know how
30:22
strong the achievement Community was yeah achievements achievements that are
30:27
surprisingly big deal that isn't a big deal I think it's just adding that extra
30:33
layer of motivation to be honest because let's face it most of the time when
30:37
you're playing like those kinds of games it's really more of a solo effort no
30:43
one's there to go yay you finished that thing or you you managed to unlock that
30:48
level and all this kind of stuff but achievements are kind of like a nice
30:52
publish kind of way of saying yes I did this thing they have ruined gaming for
30:58
for me cuz now I won't play games unless there are achievements but I still love
31:03
them although you were saying the other day that now that the streaks being
31:06
broken you're thinking that maybe you'll have more time for essentially World
31:12
exploration in new games yeah cuz I I do play everything still and I do spend
31:17
hours completing games but there are some achievements now that I just or
31:21
even games that I sort of stopped playing just because it was going to be
31:24
too hard and too grindy to get achievements like um Borderlands and
31:28
things which I sort of finished the game there's still a lot more to do but too
31:33
hard to get an achievement so I don't go back to it but now the achievement
31:36
streak is gone I can maybe look at that yeah except the achievment streaks back
31:39
I'm back at two days is it is it a streak though like if you're at two days
31:44
honestly I think we need to throw this open to the people the people of the
31:48
nation Any Nation your nation how long does something need to be going to get a
31:53
streak cuz Pokémon go tells me when I spin a poké stop for the first time in a
31:56
couple days it says yay you've got a one day streak and I'm
32:00
like well no I've done something once no I think you got to do it at least two
32:04
times yeah see for a streak like if it's a streak of Victories or something like
32:10
that I'm thinking 4 five at a minimum otherwise you know you've got a win a
32:16
couple of wins a hattick then we're sort of heading into streak area like you've
32:21
shown that it's a repeated activity well give me three more days and I'll be up to
32:25
five now with Hanah fate 2 de is an actual release date for this one and
32:30
it's next week it comes out November 7th yes so it may not be next week by the
32:36
time you listen to this but if it's November 7 congratulations you can play
32:40
it right now so I've just dated the episode which is okay I sort of dat
32:44
dated it when we I said we came back from packs the other thing too is if
32:49
you're interested in the hand of Fate board game I believe you can actually
32:52
play that right now and no oh not yet that's not relased no that's why I
32:56
actually wanted to try and give that go that was uh a Kickstarter oh and it made
33:02
a lot of money yeah cuz there was a bit of confusion about that on the FL packs
33:07
because some people thought it was just a computer well not computer but you
33:10
know like just an electronic game or just a board game so a couple of people
33:16
actually had them say things like oh man it's such a total rip like they just
33:19
took the name and I'm
33:22
like May no they actually working together on that and I have heard great
33:29
things about that Bard game though one of our friends NY gave it AO and he says
33:34
it was really good so I do want it but that was Kickstarter and I'm not allowed
33:40
to give money to Kickstarter and for me I'm not a big fan of the deck building
33:46
board game so I think it's going to be a pass for me I don't actually think see
33:51
that's just it we haven't played it but don't know I can't talk about it yeah
33:54
from what we understand I've heard that yeah people are enjoying it though now
33:58
um now oh one other thing we saw which I actually did buy some of this and Matt
34:04
and Jenner you have a present coming once it's arrived look surprised yes
34:08
even though I'm about to just talk about it now tabletop tokens these things are
34:13
an amazing idea and I think o h can I can I do the little Spiel I prepared in
34:19
my head for this yes you can does this sound familiar you're playing Dungeons
34:23
and Dragons but you can't keep track of all your conditions are you blind are
34:27
you paraly realized are you Charmed who knows now the answer will be you now
34:34
these tabletop tokens are such a simple idea honestly I'm surprised no one has
34:40
thought of it before someone might have but we've never seen it before at least
34:45
okay so a tabletop token kind of looks like teeny tiny little half Globes of
34:52
essentially a very high quality kind of button and they're beautifully printed
34:58
with you can get them with conditions on it health markers power up markers you
35:03
can even get them customized with your character's face on them so if you're
35:08
playing a game such as Dungeons and Dragons or Arkham Horror was another one
35:13
where they showed it for something where you're juggling a lot of conditions and
35:16
it can get very tricky maybe you don't want to mess around with Miniatures or
35:20
even if you just you got a game that does use like cardboard tokens and you
35:24
want to upgrade to make them a little bit nicer yeah these things were
35:29
fantastic and also a really really good price they are a fantastic price so what
35:34
we've brought um Matt and Jenna and we actually brought a couple other people
35:38
this we brought the adventure players status condition set so this has got all
35:43
the things like um petrified blinded grappled like Charmed like all the type
35:48
of things that you'll come across in a role playing game or Dungeons and
35:51
Dragons and so that way when a person's playing you can actually you can
35:54
actually put the token on that player so you know what they they' got so everyone
35:58
could see what's happening similar to the strategy I employed in King of Tokyo
36:03
to take out that medal yeah so in the interests of disclosure I want to make it really
36:09
really clear that we are not sponsored by tabletop tokens we just honestly saw
36:15
this product loved it if you're interested we will post a link up yeah
36:20
but it's just tabletop token.com and yeah believe me go there have a look we
36:25
got all these tokens for the condition for $15 and honestly the quality of these they
36:30
look like they should be worth more they are also water resistant and durable so
36:34
if you play with that idiot who keep spilling water on your board I did it
36:37
once and it wasn't water that and to be honest that's probably how your
36:41
cardboard tokens got wrecked to begin with finally finally there's a solution
36:46
out there okay well I'm also thinking of
36:50
solutions and by Solutions I just mean interesting ideas Microsoft this was
36:56
another example of something so simple
37:00
but so clever that I absolutely loved it Microsoft were promoting their new game
37:07
sea of Thieves I'm looking forward to playing this now now the Melbourne Convention
37:13
Center for those who do not really know much about it is in an area called the
37:16
docklands and they just so happened to have an old timey sailing ship so what
37:21
Microsoft did was they said you want to try a new game of called sea of Thieves
37:26
where you're a pirate and an oldtime sing ship what if you played that on a
37:30
mother flipping sailing ship so we lined up for this and then we got to sit out
37:35
on the deck for a little while enjoying the sun washing the boat Rock the Boat
37:39
does not rock very much it is in a harbor it has not sailed in many years
37:43
and then we finally got our hands on see if these what I played you watched now
37:48
with this one now I've probably spoken about this on the podcast before or if
37:53
not you probably do understand that this probably normally wouldn't be my type of
37:57
game cuz it is an online only game and it is something that you really need to
38:02
play with people yeah so it's those things Luke doesn't like in that he has
38:06
to cooperate with others and I think there's a great photo of me being
38:10
Captain when we were playing and me yelling at my other teammates okay I'd
38:13
like to make it clear again as the Microsoft people told him multiple times
38:18
there is no Captain you cannot run on the deck well run you cannot just climb
38:24
on the deck of the old sailing ship and yell I call Captain hey everyone said
38:29
okay everyone just went with it because we were first ones on there and we were
38:34
wearing our matching podcast shirts I think everyone thought we were you know
38:39
staff or something at the event um this confusion actually continued while Luke
38:43
was playing actually it was really funny cuz the way Microsoft set it up was you
38:48
start off on the deck of this sailing Shir you get a quick intro of like Hey
38:51
we're releasing this game soon Ahoy off we go kind of thing then everyone climbs
38:56
below deck and they set up 12 different stations so four people in each team so
39:03
there were three teams and with all 12 people were in the same world together
39:07
but they were crewing three different ships so while Luke was playing and
39:10
shouting instructions and things like that other people on Luke's team kept
39:14
turning around to me and they were just like uh Excuse Me Miss are we doing this
39:18
right why can't I kill him and so I was just like oh they've turned friendly
39:22
fire off for this demonstration but your ship's doing really well
39:28
so we actually do I think we're the only ones to get the treasure actually that's
39:31
true due to my great leadership I might add so this really is a true Co-op game
39:37
where just for example to get underway on the ocean you've got well in this
39:43
case you had four people MH so you had to raise the anchor yep set the sails
39:48
yep trim them yep angle them yep off you go with someone steering and the other
39:53
fun thing is if you were steering the boat which by the way does not mean you
39:57
were captaining Luke we've got serious issues with your knowledge is sailing so
40:02
that way like the person who is steering the boat which was me as Captain cannot
40:07
actually see which way the boat's going so you really need to communicate with
40:10
those other players and similarly like the more people who were raising or
40:15
lowering a sale or working the anchor the faster you got underway and maybe it
40:20
was the yelling maybe it was the threats of abuse or maybe it was because they
40:23
mistakenly thought Luke was someone but Luke's team actually got under way
40:27
really quickly yep we got the sails up the anchor up and we're just on our way
40:32
there's no guide marks on the screen so most of the time in these adventure
40:36
games like Witcher 3 even when you get lost there's usually something that
40:40
hints where you meant to go not with this it was really that open world feel
40:44
like there will you have a map a compass and you can go to any Island out there
40:50
you want we could have we could have just not done the quest we could have
40:53
just gone searching for the other characters to try and kill them yeah so
40:57
it I really have to again applaud Microsoft's Ingenuity about this because
41:01
the Sea of Thieves experience they didn't really advertise that that
41:05
heavily in packs and at first I was like why like you kind of knew it was
41:09
happening but there were very few clear signs but then I figured it out it's
41:14
because it is such a big Lush open world I timed it they gave everyone playing 30
41:20
minutes now that that probably doesn't sound like much cuz we've all been there
41:24
you've spent four hours playing a single game but at a convention where your
41:28
goals to try and get as many people through as you can 30 minutes is very
41:32
luxurious yeah 30 minutes and then you can only do 12 at a time yeah now SE of
41:37
Thieves it is something where there hasn't really been a lot about it in the
41:42
years it's been being developed and now you always see it in their promos and
41:46
stuff but there's no to be honest I did think it was going to be the next
41:51
Assassin's Creed I just get confused all the posters look very similar but
41:55
thankfully it's not the new Assassin's Creed readed it's actually a new game in
41:58
its own right and I wasn't going to get this but after playing it I'm really
42:04
hoping that once it does come out and they are looking early next year so
42:08
they're saying first half they won't give a date or a month but they're
42:12
saying it's definitely not going to be like June or anything no Microsoft man
42:16
gave me the wink and he was like April o so we'll see so if we're looking at an
42:21
April release I do want to get it and I want Dan and Matt to get it and then I
42:25
want us to find a time once a fortnite to sit down and play it for a couple of
42:30
hours however depending how open world it is listeners if you encounter Luke in
42:35
this game remember he called Captain I am captain you do what I say Luke also
42:41
knows nothing about sailing go that way but then again neither did Luke's team
42:46
because at one point the Microsoft man next to me was like yeah guys if you
42:49
just head toward like if you head port and they were like we need to go to a
42:53
port I'm not drinking oh okay I go drink for alcohol
42:58
but another Co-op game that we also took a bit of a look at that Luke is already
43:02
a Die Hard fan of were our favorite friends at Death Squad um I just the
43:08
guys at SMG Studios we just love them I don't know why and this is even Matt and
43:12
Jenner even their single player phone games like one more jumping things
43:18
they're just they're great games I really love what they do um so we ran
43:23
into them again and death squared we still need to sit there and play that I
43:26
still want to play that now having a chat them they they are working on
43:30
something new but I could not get out of them what they're playing I tried to
43:35
yeah they were really Cy which is interesting cuz a lot of the Indie
43:39
people we spoke to couldn't wait to tell like some of them I'll be blun people
43:44
you haven't finished the game you're working on now but some of them were
43:47
already starting to say like oh yeah once this is done we're going to get
43:49
started on this and then we're going to do this and I'm like wa a lot of energy
43:54
lot of enthusiasm perhaps a little too much energy and enthusiasm but by that
43:59
stage of packs at least 50% of your blood is caffeine and sugar anyway so
44:04
you know yeah so yeah I if you haven't checked out death Square definitely give
44:08
that a try or check out one of their mobile games I'm going to have to find
44:11
out this guy's name I'm really bad I should know it CU I know him he
44:18
remembers me when Matt and Jenner ran into him at P when they went to pack
44:22
East he remembered me over there and it's just he's a nice guy makes some
44:26
great games and that's why I always just want to give them a plug he also gave
44:29
lcas a set of stickers that he could put on the chair so yeah I now have new
44:33
stickers on my wheelchair they're pretty they're death cubes cuz Hannah thinks
44:38
that he's named wrong and it shouldn't be squared and this is an example of
44:42
being able to criticize an issue not a person um the no the people at death
44:47
Square okay I've played your game it is really really fun it is a puzzle game I
44:53
think most people have probably already had a bit of a play of it if you haven't
44:56
do check check it out um it does slightly annoy me because it is 3D you
45:02
do move in all three dimensions but it's called squared I feel it should be death
45:07
Cube but now that I think about it the death Cube sounds kind of like an
45:12
octagon or some sort of fight Arena so you know what maybe it's time to admit
45:17
that death squar know a little bit more about games marketing than I do with my
45:21
complete experience of zero yeah I do yeah we are going to sit down we are
45:25
going to play that so so I need to get achievement so and I don't want to play
45:28
it without you it's going to test the relationship that's for
45:31
sure there is one more thing I want to give a little bit of a plug to that I
45:37
came across in the diversity so like we were saying before one of the big things
45:42
when it comes to games is diversity mhm people want why did audiences of people
45:48
want a wider variety of games people feel that they're not being represented
45:51
or they want to play more games with stuff that looks like them or just games
45:55
that are cool for them mhm and so I just wanted to give a bit of a shout out to
46:00
the Go Geek Group okay so we met these wonderful people in the diversity Lounge
46:05
were telling us about this initiative and it is not just for girls it's for
46:10
everyone really but essentially if you want to learn how to code in a happy
46:14
supportive environment where everyone just has a bit of a crack get in touch
46:18
with them give them a Google great people I believe they also run some
46:21
programming camps and things like that too but it's not just limited to
46:26
programming languages it is also game design Y and also in the diversity
46:31
Lounge I was very pleased to see that there are some designers out there again
46:37
working on that accessibility issue yep we got to experience a game designed for
46:41
people with hearing impairments I I couldn't work out what I was doing in
46:45
that game okay so it wasn't it wasn't designed for luks but I had a bit of a
46:51
chat with the people who'd been working on it and said it was essentially a
46:55
little bit of a system overlay they put in to help people with games such as The
47:00
Witcher for example where if you hear a rustling that can actually give you big
47:04
hints about what's happening in the game but obviously if you're hearing ined and
47:07
you're not looking that way in screen you're going to miss it yep and similar
47:11
to those wonderful people who do great stuff with color blindness for example
47:15
in games o while I'm thinking that of accessibility in games Lenova thank you
47:19
very much for allowing us to very briefly join the Star Wars Jedi Academy
47:24
now this one was actually kind of interesting because first of all they
47:28
were pretty open about the fact you were the first wheelchair user they' had who
47:32
actually tried using their VR headset yeah now I don't quite know much about
47:37
how VR works but I figure you're sort of calibrated to the space you're in and
47:42
also on the game yeah this one was a little bit different than the normal
47:45
typical VR this one was actually augmented so you can still see stuff
47:50
behind you so you can still see the room and everything around you and then
47:54
overlaid the lightsaber fight while fighting color in it laid that over the
47:58
top of things yeah so I watched a few people play this and I also had a go
48:02
myself but I'm going to talk about that just shortly so when I was watching
48:05
other people play it I noticed a lot of them were like stepping forward to block
48:10
hits from kylo Ren and things like that obviously you were in a chair did did it
48:15
make much of a difference for you no not at all cuz this the way this game was
48:19
set up it was just a kylo ren was coming at you so it was just about getting the
48:23
light Saab in the right position to block it yeah cuz we've you've Spen
48:27
about VR a few times on the podcast before cuz I know it's something you're
48:30
quite keen on but one of the issues with a lot of VR games is it's almost like it
48:36
kind of wants to be you know that little Xbox thing you have where it finds you
48:41
in the room like the dance games and things like that yes the connect yes
48:46
it's kind of like it wants to be the connect with a headset if that makes
48:49
sense like it still wants you to move through space in order to do stuff and
48:54
this is stuff I've said in the past I need to get a away from that that's
48:57
going to kill VR before it really gets started if cuz people don't have the
49:02
room to stand up and walk around like any typical landro you got your coffee
49:07
table mhm and also for some of the sheer computing power you might need you do
49:13
kind of want VR to be able to hook up to your PC yep and who who are you with
49:17
your fancy office where you can go wandering around with a VR headset this
49:20
is where I think VR is going to be great for racing games
49:24
simulations um I still think it can can be good with other things like Fallout
49:28
vrs coming out soon if not already out um I think it could be great for a game
49:33
like that but they need to get away from the you need to stand or the moving its
49:38
teleportation just we're fine have a controller in our hand and just play it
49:42
and look around yeah and I think for something like a racing game especially
49:47
if you're in your racing chair setup M VR mix with that would be incredible
49:51
however I do have one issue with VR as we discovered at the lover desk V gives
49:57
me incredible motion sickness yes it was really embarrassing yeah like you were
50:02
actually like didn't finish the demo off and then you will still I may need to go
50:07
throw up now so three VR is not for everyone so it's still one of those
50:12
things if you are going to dip your toe into it try hands on with it first yeah
50:16
and I've been having a bit of a think about it I'm trying to work out what
50:19
caused that kind of reaction because I don't get seasick M and so I was having
50:24
to think about it and I realized it's the same issue I have with 3D glasses
50:29
now most of the time if I'm seeing a 3D movie I will layer the 3D glasses over
50:34
my regular glasses and I'm prepared that by the end I'm not going to feel 100%
50:38
it's just that Distortion of where your brain's telling you you are versus The
50:42
Thing and I think that's kind of what the VR headset did to me just absolutely
50:47
magnified because I couldn't look around the VR if that makes sense to reorient
50:51
myself yeah this one was yeah it is going to be a good way for people to get
50:55
their hands on VR for cheap price now this isn't one that you plug into your
50:59
your computer or console or anything like that this one's actually for your
51:02
phone it runs off your phone so it's just connects up to your phone and Away
51:06
you go and I think the the set comes out with the headset and a lightsaber which
51:11
is pretty cool for like $3.99 um it's not out yet but it's coming out soon
51:16
which oh that was another thing absolutely sorry to distract another
51:20
thing I loved on the sales for ARA pack is the way people set their prices yes
51:25
because okay I may not always be the brightest purple on the beach but if
51:30
you're telling me something's going to cost me 39 or 3999 um I can kind of
51:35
figure out you're telling me a monitor is going to be 4 grand
51:40
4,000 smacko yeah it's it's happened a few time when we were looking at some
51:45
places selling like highend PCS and stuff and a reason why I think they were
51:50
doing like the 39 and the this PC will cost like we're looking at
51:55
8999 when it comes out reason why they're saying that is I even think
51:59
they're embarrassed telling the price I think they are a little we met a lot of
52:03
people who are very keen to impress on I was like all the great graphics and all
52:07
the things you could do with these machines and the Rainbow Lights
52:10
seriously rainbow lights are the New Black when it comes to gaming consoles
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and customizable PC setups like I've got color like mine's All Bright and I can
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change the colors on it it's all fun but I just can't bring myself to spend that
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much money on a PC yeah and a lot of the people were saying
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like oh your 7 tri9 is going to Future proof you and I'm like yes but in the
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mean time is it possibly going to bankrupt me yes yeah no that's yeah
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those and I don't think for the price would be sort of four times as much as
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what we paid for this computer I don't think it's four times as better yeah
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I'll be honest I don't know enough about PCS but I just know enough to have a
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little bit of sticker shock when but yeah when we're not going to be buying a
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$9,000 computer soon but they are nice things I do want to get a $4,000 monitor
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but I'm not going to because I don't think a monitor should cost a car no
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wait where are you buying cars for $4,000 I've spent less money on cars oh
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I like second hand yes 15th hand no that's they're they're not for
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me I do need a 4k monitor though I am going to have to get one 4K as in $4,000
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worth or 4K as as in resolution okay I do need a 4k monitor I think I want to
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replace that monitor over there cuz that's the smaller one just don't just
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stare at me it's a need how about you save your pennies buy yourself a VR
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headset and then you've got Limitless monitor well first of all I've got to
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pay for my Xbox One X that's true which comes out next week listeners if you
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would like to contribute to Luke's ongoing pain well I think that about wraps up
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our packs Roundup yeah so all in all packs Australia is over for another year
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if you are if you've got the P bug you're Keen to go I believe the next one
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is in PAX East which is in Boston in March early next year mhm again I'm not
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a gamer game person I'd still had a really good time though Y and I'm a
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little disappointed I didn't get a chance to go to some of the panels there
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were some really interesting looking ones this year yeah that's the thing I
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I'd love to go to some of those panels but they also just on the wrong times
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for the ones I want to see yeah they really cut into your tournament time I'm
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going to win a medal one you which is ironic because you don't actually play
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for that long in the tournaments no but I have to be there for the start and you
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never know I could make it through and win it one year you did make it through
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to the semi finals of carcassone that is true yep and then I just lost that one
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yep whereas I now have two PX medals I have one medal and it was a medal that I
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got a couple of years ago and Spike who runs the went I should never have given
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you that pity medal I did win a competition but it was pretty much a
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Pity medal now most of the tournaments app packs just for anyone who's not
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familiar with them are games that actually I don't know if leagues is the
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right word but they are games you can compete at not professionally but like
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people take them seriously enough that if you wanted to enter a comp you could
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but with when you if you play with me you can sit down not knowing the game
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and I would teach you how to play and as what happened with the very last game I
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will Coach you to victory against one of Australia's best players at it yeah well
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some of us just focused on our own strategy which kind of makes me sound
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very cold but you know was the very last day of packs I wanted a medal yeah while
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I really want a medal I'm also there just to have fun and if someone else
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gets to sit down and play a game that they've never learn played before learn
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it and have fun and find a new game they want to play I'm all for that so with
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this in mind next year I might try playing Splendor a game I've played once
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and then Rage Quit because I didn't understand the tokens and this is the
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kind of professionalism I would like to bring into the tournament I could teach
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you how to play I really enjoy Splender Yeah we'll save it for the
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tournament all right so thank you for listening and tune in to our next
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special which will probably won't be in a year we'll probably come up with
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something else I think RTX is in February which we might go to and by we
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Luke means himself because as you heard earlier I'm not allowed to appear to
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appear for the next 1,000 days no that's just to disuss the
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days which is two and years and don't talk about how long away it is all right
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bye bye everyone