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Living In A Perfect World With STEVE TULIPANA From SEASON TO RISK · HEAVY Music Interviews

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  Speaker 1: Hey, I'm Steve Toolapana from Season to Risk here coming
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  Speaker 1: from Kansas City, Missouri in the United States.
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  Speaker 2: Fantastic Steve, Thanks.
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  Speaker 3: Made ah, yeah, thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 2: Always a pleasure.
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  Speaker 4: It's early morning there right are you're like you're in tomorrow?
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  Speaker 2: Not too early.
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  Speaker 3: It's the next date for you though, like.
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  Speaker 4: In the future.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a future man to you today.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the future.
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  Speaker 2: What happens to you in the next twenty four hours?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? Please, yes, I do.
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  Speaker 5: It's actually exciting times indeed, four Season to Risk. But
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  Speaker 5: are you guys having announced that remastered anniversary reissue of
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  Speaker 5: your ninety ninety four album In a Perfect World, which
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  Speaker 5: is you're out on November twenty eighth, and so also
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  Speaker 5: records for you guys, But how are you feeling, mate,
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  Speaker 5: like that they're still nerves because it's a new album,
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  Speaker 5: or they're not so bad because you've already released at
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  Speaker 5: once and you know you did it well.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's weird. I mean, it's thirty years old.
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  Speaker 1: That's kind of a trip obviously for for us to think,
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  Speaker 1: to think about how much time has passed. It doesn't
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  Speaker 1: feel like thirty years ago by any means. But which
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  Speaker 1: is over half my life, you know, and it's pretty trippy.
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  Speaker 3: I'm more nervous. We have some US dates we're going to.
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  Speaker 1: Start pretty pretty gruelly little run of shows we're doing
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  Speaker 1: in a few weeks in the West coast of the US,
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  Speaker 1: and we haven't done that in many, many years. Twenty
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  Speaker 1: plus years have we've been out there. So that's that's
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  Speaker 1: got me nervous more than the record coming out, you know.
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  Speaker 5: So you've been trying to get a match fit downe
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  Speaker 5: to the gym and running it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh shit, yeah, nope, just drinking the veno.
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  Speaker 5: I've got an old Scien minors. The last time I
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  Speaker 5: had the urged exercise, I laid back down and get
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  Speaker 5: into the edge past.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 5: Now, there's likely a few listeners out there who wants
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  Speaker 5: shore exactly what remastered means like on one of them, So,
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  Speaker 5: can you explain the biggest difference between having an album
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  Speaker 5: remastered and having it re recorded?
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  Speaker 3: So, our guitar player, Dayne Trawer is a pretty.
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  Speaker 1: Successful recording engineer and has a very wonderful studio here,
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  Speaker 1: keeps very busy with and he's really he's he took,
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  Speaker 1: he took the record, and he he kind of he
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  Speaker 1: processed that he's some he has some uh.
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  Speaker 3: I see, I'm not the technical guy. I sound like that.
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  Speaker 3: He uh.
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  Speaker 1: He basically took took the album and he just kind
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  Speaker 1: of analyzed it and listened to it and punched up
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  Speaker 1: some things and and and also kind of like clarified
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  Speaker 1: some things. So, I mean, it's not a drastically different
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  Speaker 1: sounding album, but it definitely sounds more of this era,
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  Speaker 1: you know, uh, not of this era of it, just
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  Speaker 1: it's used the new technology to really.
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  Speaker 3: To punch it up and bring it to a new
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  Speaker 3: uh you know, just a new level.
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  Speaker 1: I think the the only thing that's this kind of
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  Speaker 1: awkward about this is only on the vinyl and and
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  Speaker 1: and it's the vinyl release that came out the ver
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  Speaker 1: The original version was something that Columbia Records had put out,
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  Speaker 1: and it was very much like almost a promo this
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  Speaker 1: kind of thing. They didn't really spend a lot of
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  Speaker 1: time on vinyl in the nineties, you know, it was
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  Speaker 1: kind of like, oh, we'll do this because it's whatever,
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  Speaker 1: and and so this is really how I think it
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  Speaker 1: should have sounded and and should be presented.
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  Speaker 4: The vinyl is.
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  Speaker 1: Much better the the It just it's just more cohesive.
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  Speaker 1: When we got the licensing for this, uh to do
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  Speaker 1: this project, we had to get it from from Sony.
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  Speaker 1: Sony owns Columbia, and they did not grant us the
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  Speaker 1: digital rights, so there will not there will not be
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  Speaker 1: a digital remaster version.
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  Speaker 3: Of it as of yet. So it's kind of it's
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  Speaker 3: kind of a shame. It's kind of interesting.
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  Speaker 4: So the physical, you know, the physical thing is what
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  Speaker 4: it is.
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  Speaker 1: And what happened is that Also, Sony had never released
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  Speaker 1: that record digitally. There was a label out of Chicago
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  Speaker 1: in later nineties that we did our mentor Monkey's record
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  Speaker 1: with who did kind of a handshake deal a compilation of.
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  Speaker 3: The Sony records on CD that is still out there
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  Speaker 3: for now.
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  Speaker 1: But once we told Sony we were going to be
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  Speaker 1: doing this vinyl project, they immediately issued their version of
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  Speaker 1: the digital.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's it's important tonight tell you that three
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  Speaker 5: issue is only fifteen hundred copies on vinyl. So if
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  Speaker 5: you do want to get yourself a copy, don't sit
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  Speaker 5: on the ass and waite. Get it now because there
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  Speaker 5: might not be any more coming out.
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  Speaker 4: Truth truth, Yeah, And what can people can people?
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  Speaker 2: Where can people go to get hold of the of
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  Speaker 2: the album.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, well, record store day website, there's well, I believe
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  Speaker 1: there's a list of the independent record stores that are
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  Speaker 1: connected to it that have ordered copies of it, or
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  Speaker 1: you quote. You can still go your favorite independent record store.
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  Speaker 1: You can go there and say, hey, I heard this
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  Speaker 1: was coming out, order some order ordering me a copy.
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  Speaker 1: They have their they have the main allotment. And then
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  Speaker 1: once I don't know what the time frame is, but
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  Speaker 1: after that, Spartan Records dot Com out of Seattle is
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  Speaker 1: the the US label that's putting it out, and then
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  Speaker 1: we'll have but on to WURK. But I don't you know,
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  Speaker 1: we're not We're not headachime soon, but.
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  Speaker 4: I'd love to. I'm ready, let's go.
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  Speaker 3: Let's let's get over there.
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  Speaker 4: Twenty twenty six. I'll put up I'll put some records aside.
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  Speaker 2: There, we get it, some intentives.
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  Speaker 5: Now back to the actual difference between rerecording and remastering.
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  Speaker 5: I guess like a lot of bands these days are
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  Speaker 5: re recording their their albums. But when you do that,
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  Speaker 5: you run the risk of losing those special moments that
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  Speaker 5: actually made the first album what it was, wouldn't you
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  Speaker 5: for real?
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  Speaker 1: I mean that experience We worked with Martin BC in
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  Speaker 1: his studio in Brooklyn, and I'm not sure if you're
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  Speaker 1: familiar with Martin.
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  Speaker 4: But he he.
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  Speaker 1: He produced and recorded some of the great like Swans
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  Speaker 1: Sonic youth on saying Copture cop like really interesting, creative,
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  Speaker 1: heavy music. It was such an honor to work with him,
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  Speaker 1: and his studio is so unlike any other studio I've
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  Speaker 1: been in as far as the space and the timber
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  Speaker 1: that you can get from things that really was like
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  Speaker 1: brutal and got these like crushing, intense, kind of fucked
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  Speaker 1: up sounds.
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  Speaker 4: Out of there.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know we could we could never. We
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  Speaker 1: could never do it again, to be honest, if I
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  Speaker 1: want to be perfectly candid. When we did that record
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  Speaker 1: and we gave it to Columbia Records, they didn't know
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  Speaker 1: what to do with it. It was unlike anything they'd ever
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  Speaker 1: released at that point and in.
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  Speaker 4: Their you know, major label music, and.
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  Speaker 1: They tried so hard to clean it up, and they
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  Speaker 1: had sent the masters to some guys that work had
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  Speaker 1: worked with Ministry in Chicago, and they were trying to
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  Speaker 1: they were trying to digitize or I mean as nineteen
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  Speaker 1: ninety four, you know, they're trying to digitize the drum
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  Speaker 1: beats to get clarity from the bass and make it
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  Speaker 1: this clean kind of thing, and we're like, that's not what.
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  Speaker 4: It's supposed to be. It's never happen, and it didn't.
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  Speaker 4: They wasted a bunch of money.
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  Speaker 1: It never happened, and we're lucky they were lucky they
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  Speaker 1: released it in the form that it is, like the
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  Speaker 1: true thing that we we made, you know, So we're
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not trying to slag number any means,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just saying that was the time trying to trying.
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  Speaker 4: To figure out, well, how do we still this?
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  Speaker 1: You know, We're like, we don't care where this is,
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  Speaker 1: how we make it, do whatever, you know, But.
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  Speaker 5: It's actually this album to me, like it's a shiny
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  Speaker 5: example of what happens when people try to overthink music,
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  Speaker 5: you know, like you're saying, we're signing with it, like
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  Speaker 5: no disrespect to them, but they wanted to polish it,
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  Speaker 5: they wanted to clean it up. But I had to
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  Speaker 5: listen to the album this morning while I was doing
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  Speaker 5: these questions, and it is a fantastic album just so
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  Speaker 5: it doesn't need anything done to it, Like if they
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  Speaker 5: had ever released it it might have been, you know,
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  Speaker 5: it could have been the step inside of something bigger
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  Speaker 5: for them, not their major company. But who knows, Like
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  Speaker 5: take a risk, don't You don't have to polish everything
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  Speaker 5: rawness you could sometimes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, I agree, you know so, I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: guess that's why in the end they did release it.
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  Speaker 1: But it did it, you know, it didn't.
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  Speaker 4: It didn't do the you know whatever, you did what
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  Speaker 4: it did, and we did.
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  Speaker 1: We got to do some of our biggest touring on
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  Speaker 1: that record with supporting Corrosional Conformity and Monster Magnet and
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  Speaker 1: and I'm saying we did a lot of cool shit
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  Speaker 1: with that record, you know.
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  Speaker 5: So now speaking of Unsign actually, like at the time
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  Speaker 5: you recorded the album, you were just coming.
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  Speaker 2: Off four years on the road.
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  Speaker 5: We'd killed Dias of Unsigned, Urrisis, Prong Killing Joke, So
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  Speaker 5: you must have been a bit jaded when you went
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  Speaker 5: into the album. Like, do you think that contributed to
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  Speaker 5: the sound of In the Perfect World?
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  Speaker 4: Yes?
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  Speaker 1: I do think we were so a lot of the
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  Speaker 1: material from the first record, and it's a it's a
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  Speaker 1: cleaner record for sure. We were young, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: it was like our first material that you take a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of years a right, and then you get signed
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  Speaker 1: and then you then it took a year for it
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  Speaker 1: to ever a year and a half. It was delayed forever,
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  Speaker 1: and it came out the whole time we were working
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  Speaker 1: on the.
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  Speaker 4: Road, and then we ca up going.
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  Speaker 1: And at that point we were just like we were
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  Speaker 1: onto something new.
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  Speaker 4: We were like always trying.
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  Speaker 1: To challenge ourselves and and and we were kind of
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  Speaker 1: we were wanting to be more. You know, we didn't
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  Speaker 1: want to become It's not like it was incredibly conscious.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we weren't like, oh, we don't want to
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  Speaker 1: sell out, but we're like, we just want to keep
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  Speaker 1: trying to trying to find this this heavy thing, like
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  Speaker 1: what we're trying to express here, you know, inside of
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  Speaker 1: what our culture is and what what what we're trying
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  Speaker 1: to do is as creative you know, still young people,
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  Speaker 1: but we were we had you know, we had some
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  Speaker 1: road on us, and we had some life experience on
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  Speaker 1: us at that point, and we're just like it was
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  Speaker 1: darker and things were a little more fucked up.
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  Speaker 4: And I mean to be candid, I was a little
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  Speaker 4: more fucked up in my head and I just and
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  Speaker 4: in my habits.
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  Speaker 1: But that you know that informs things, but but you
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  Speaker 1: uh yeah, it's that's the experience you go through, right exactly.
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  Speaker 5: And that album was the first appearance from your rhythm
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  Speaker 5: section of Paul Banowski and Jason Gerkin.
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  Speaker 2: So what did they bring to the table for that album.
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  Speaker 4: Well, Gurkan was in a band called Molly mcguarth. He's
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  Speaker 4: now in Shiner. He only did a couple of tours
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  Speaker 4: with us. He kind of came over to help us out.
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  Speaker 1: The drummer we had who was a brilliant drummer, but
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  Speaker 1: he wasn't kind of he wasn't really vibing on this
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  Speaker 1: this new or more intricate kind of complex, uh polyrhythmic
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  Speaker 1: thing we were trying to do with with that record.
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  Speaker 1: Both Dwayne and Paul are very much towaying the guitar
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  Speaker 1: player what I call latent drummers, like they want to
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  Speaker 1: be drummers and they're always like coming up with and
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  Speaker 1: these are these they're playing drums on their instruments, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean. And that's what creates this very
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  Speaker 1: tribal kind of heavy thing. And so that that they're
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  Speaker 1: also adding the chordal thing and so that that informs
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  Speaker 1: these chain is that maybe not be as intuitive to
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  Speaker 1: some people, and so and on that you're creating this different,
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  Speaker 1: challenging thing where it's going from seven eight to well
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  Speaker 1: whatever you know for four for two bars and then
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  Speaker 1: you know, tag that extra one on and then you
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  Speaker 1: then you drone it out for you know, three minutes
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  Speaker 1: but whatever, you know, Like it was composition more than like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: first chorus, first chorus, And Jason was.
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  Speaker 4: Brilliant at it. He was really great at executing these ideas.
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  Speaker 4: Was challenging for him, but he was really good at it.
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  Speaker 1: He's still if you're familiar with his span, shiner, but
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  Speaker 1: he's a phenomenal, phenomenal player and always always doing and
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  Speaker 1: he plays with Home as well.
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  Speaker 4: He does just just really cool stuff.
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  Speaker 1: So that those two together was pretty It was a powerhouse.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that the like you said that you've
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  Speaker 1: noticed the rhythm the rhythm section really is is this
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  Speaker 1: fucking train to hell?
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 5: It's now back to Martin BC, the producer he used
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  Speaker 5: for the album, right, we know he's credential, he's got
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  Speaker 5: the runs on the board, you know what he can do.
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  Speaker 2: But what did you specifically.
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  Speaker 5: Hope he could bring out of Seasons Risks sound for
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  Speaker 5: that album.
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  Speaker 1: I'll be honest, we didn't know going into it, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like I knew his his stuff.
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  Speaker 4: I yeah, I mean he was.
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  Speaker 6: A huge fan of Sonic Youth and uh copsu Cop
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  Speaker 6: and Fetus a big, big fan of Fetus, going into
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  Speaker 6: him going oh okay, uh this we get to work
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  Speaker 6: with this guy.
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  Speaker 1: Great Colombia actually our and our guy was again and said, hey,
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  Speaker 1: what do you think about Martin BC? And I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: That's not something I'd ever think could happen, but let's okay,
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  Speaker 1: let's see what happens.
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  Speaker 4: And he came out to Kansas.
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  Speaker 1: City and he hung out with us for a weekend
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  Speaker 1: and listened to some of our rehearsals and and uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know they did Sony did the whole or Columbia
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  Speaker 1: did the whole very rock and roll treatment and that
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  Speaker 1: that regard things that you don't really get those opportunities
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  Speaker 1: these days.
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  Speaker 4: And then we flew out.
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  Speaker 1: There and we lived with him for we drove actually
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  Speaker 1: toured out there, and then we lived with him all
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  Speaker 1: summer and we were in the studio every day for
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  Speaker 1: three months, you know, working with him, and it informed Uh,
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  Speaker 1: we learned a lot from Martin about how to get
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  Speaker 1: sounds and how to mix and how to We were
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  Speaker 1: doing this all on two inches excuse me, two inch tape.
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  Speaker 4: And he had stories for days about all the people
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  Speaker 4: they'd work with. He was he's a he's a wonderful person.
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  Speaker 5: Man.
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  Speaker 4: If Harry had a chance to talk to him, do.
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  Speaker 1: Because he's he's.
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  Speaker 4: Full of great stories. He's he's he's a wonderful man.
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  Speaker 1: But uh, you know in the end, what he really
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  Speaker 1: he really, uh from my memory of the story, he
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  Speaker 1: was very taken with our polyrhythms. He was surprised that
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  Speaker 1: he's Martin is Argentinian, and I mean really he's New York,
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  Speaker 1: but he's his family's Argentinian. And he he was very
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  Speaker 1: taken with the Latin rhythms that we also we didn't
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  Speaker 1: even realize we were doing. And he kind of pointed
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  Speaker 1: that out to us. He's like, these are so Latin,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and it was it was so and it
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  Speaker 1: was kind of eye opening, and then you're kind of like, okay, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we didn't really lean on that, but we
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  Speaker 1: made sure that that was He made sure that that
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  Speaker 1: that they that wasn't hidden, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I also read somewhere that Dwayne references a ball
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  Speaker 5: played ghost that the page during the recording sessions, but
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  Speaker 5: it was not a nickname that you's gave someone in
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  Speaker 5: the house or is it an actual ghost.
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  Speaker 4: Apparently there's a ghost there. He he swears he saw it.
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  Speaker 1: That it is an old music munitions armory or something.
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  Speaker 1: There's like and it's right off the Galanas Canal and
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  Speaker 1: Park slope, the lower park slope. Now it's all been
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  Speaker 1: gentrified all around there, but when we were there, it
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  Speaker 1: was just it was pretty desolate industrial area and this
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  Speaker 1: place had it had a You it's kind of this
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  Speaker 1: weird multi layered building, like there's some apartments, but then
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  Speaker 1: there's this bunch of warehouse.
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  Speaker 4: Space and then.
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  Speaker 1: There's this weird area whatever. Yeah, that it just had
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  Speaker 1: a vibe. You had to go from the tracking room.
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  Speaker 1: You went out into this like upper area that was
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  Speaker 1: up and then you went down this steel skatee stair
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  Speaker 1: well into this like kind of a big concrete pit.
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  Speaker 4: Its it's really trippy.
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  Speaker 1: It's, like I said, one of the weirdest studios I've
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  Speaker 1: ever been there.
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  Speaker 5: You sure you didn't just a shape like some wool
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  Speaker 5: clayhead guys could be a sheep.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't. There's Brooklyn. There's not too many sheets there.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe in Kansas City, but not or New Zealand.
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  Speaker 5: There's a great line in the press release for this
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  Speaker 5: release that says, coming from the first wave of post
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  Speaker 5: hardcore band, Seasons of Risk have only gotten weirder over
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  Speaker 5: the years.
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  Speaker 2: I want to talk to you about that.
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  Speaker 5: Like, generally people grow up and mature as they get older,
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  Speaker 5: but obviously not you guys.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I think we all grew up a bit,
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  Speaker 4: you know, like we're we all we all.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Own our own businesses and are you know, some of
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: us have kids now.
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  Speaker 4: But we're still always looking for the weird. We're always
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: really intrigued.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: By the unexpected, you know, we're always looking for different sounds.
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: Like we're working for the first time a long time.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: We've been working on new material and it were there's
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: there's a lot more synthesizers and very experimental things, sounds.
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: That are happening inside what we're writing right now. And
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: I'm pretty excited about that.
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  Speaker 1: Like, we took a long time off and so it's
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: it's it feels pretty cool to be creative and and.
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  Speaker 4: But we're like, well, we don't have anything to prove
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: or or.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Or you know, lose or win, so where it's like, well,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: let's make it as creative as we possibly can.
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  Speaker 4: So weird, weird.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: Have you got my questions in front of you?
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: Because that was a perfect segue into my next question
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: that I was going to ask if you've settled up
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: for me nicely?
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: I guess.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: So I want to bring up the new album that
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: you have been writing, Like, firstly, I guess what you've
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: been when you re.
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: Released In a perfect world, like you would have got
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: pretty close again to the music off that album. So
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: has that influenced your writing for the new material or
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: is it going to be different again?
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: No, I think, I mean it's definitely.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: We've consistently laide material from that record in our live
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: sets that we do every every year. We go out
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: for a few weeks here and there, you know, and
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: it's got it a little more recently and you know,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: we released that that new song Echo Chamber that came
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: out on the one eight hundred record a few months back.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: It it's in that vein, but it's it's got some
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: it's got some rippers, Like right now there's a couple
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: like I don't know how to explain it. It's it's
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: gonna I really feel like at this point it sounds
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: like a combination of all of the records.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: Together without it without it being like.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, this song is like, you know, this is our
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: this is our mind eyes of twenty twenty six, and
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: this is our absolution, you know what I mean. I
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: think it's just all of the things that we've done,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: we've all been in continued to perform in other bands
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: and be active as musicians.
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: I think it's all informed it and it's it's gonna
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: be pretty, uh. I think. I think it's gonna have some.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Pretty It's gonna there's gonna be some pretty aggressive moments,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: but there's also going to be some moments of experimental
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: kind of ambience as well. There's there's something that I've
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: I've been pushing for. Yeah, you know one thing. My
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: voice is matured a lot, I think, and my desire
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: to use it not in just a shouty, screamy way.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: I've really and you've heard that in the later records
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: that I've kept working on that and I really I
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: like to use it like a guitar can, with different
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: effects and and really express across the board.
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: I I I.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: If there's anything when I talk about the history of
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: the band that I would ever have any kind of
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: pause for is that you can never really understand the lyrics.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: And I do care about what I write.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: So a lot of times it's like, well, you don't
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: really get to know the lyrics until you read the
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: lyrics sheet. Which that's fine, you know, especially when you're young.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: But I think for this new material, I mean, it's
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: not gonna be like, it's not gonna be fucking Elvis,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: you know, yeah, you know, no, it's not gonna be that.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: But but I think you know, uh.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: That that That's one thing that I know I'm pushing
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: forward to include is that there are some moments of
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: clear uh song lyrics that but not Crooner's nothing.
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: I'm not putting any pressure on you all because I
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: know you're working a young pace for it, But when
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: can we expect a new album to be next to you?
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Sometimes?
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: Or goal is the goal is this time next year?
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: We'll see, But I think that I think we're really
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: motivated to get it done in the next you know,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: by the first quarter of next year. We're very motivated
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: by that.
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: We're doing this little run of dates and.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Then we don't. I have another band I'm involved with
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: called Volunteer that has an album that's going to come
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: out early next year that I have to finish as well, But.
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: I think I think we can get it done by
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: and out in the end of next year.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: That's the goal, fantasy.
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: But in the meantime, the reissued version of In a
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: Perfect World does come out in November twenty eighth, which
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: is before this interview will be published. So if there
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: are any copies of Let's Get Yourself One otherwise best
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: of Black with everything else, they even always a pleasure.
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks, Chris, could catch it up, man,