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For the Love of Star Wars · Aggressive Negotiations: A Star Wars Podcast

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Speaker 1: Recording in progress i'm going to regret this welcome to
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Speaker 2: Hi this is nick anastasio lead editor and writer on
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Speaker 2: mall shadowlord and you're listening to aggressive negotiation so Well,
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Speaker 2: hello and welcome to Aggressive Negotiations. We are so excited
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Speaker 2: But with me, as he is every single week, is
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Speaker 2: none other than my incredible friend and dear co-host, Jedi
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Speaker 2: Master John Mills. John, are you excited for today's surprise topic?
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Speaker 1: I'm so excited. I've taken my hyperspace Dramamine. because I've
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Speaker 2: So I have an interesting question for you. A friend
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Speaker 2: of mine had put together a video about Star Wars,
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Speaker 2: just kind of the state of Star Wars where he
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Speaker 2: is with Star Wars fandom and just kind of– it
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Speaker 2: seems as though a.
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Speaker 1: Lot has changed, right?
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Speaker 2: Like I would say the true pivot point for Star
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Speaker 2: Wars for fans was 20 years. 17 right when the
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Speaker 2: last jedi came out and it just felt like there
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Speaker 2: was a vast gulf between two segments of fans right
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Speaker 2: people who really loved that movie people who really hated
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Speaker 2: that movie and it created i think a sense of
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Speaker 2: polarization you know i mean and and when you look
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Speaker 2: at uh just where uh podcasting went, where fandom went, where,
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Speaker 2: you know, YouTube videos went. It felt as though you
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Speaker 2: went into two camps, right? You either went into hyper
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Speaker 2: reactive mode where you were somebody who criticized literally everything
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Speaker 2: that Star Wars did after that.
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Speaker 1: It was trash.
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Speaker 2: It was the worst thing you ever heard. I mean,
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Speaker 2: you know, whatever you could do to get click rage bait,
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Speaker 2: you know, that's what you wanted. Or there was this
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Speaker 2: other side of fandom that that then just seemed to
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Speaker 2: want to never give any constructive criticism on anything in
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Speaker 2: Star Wars anymore. It was just the greatest thing you'd
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Speaker 2: ever heard. It is the greatest thing you'd ever seen.
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Speaker 2: It was the greatest ever, right? Every new Star Wars
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Speaker 2: project was the best Star Wars project that had ever
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Speaker 2: been had by Star Wars. It is the best Star
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Speaker 2: Wars that had ever been Star Wars, as our friend
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Speaker 2: Yancey would say. And so, So I guess the question
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Speaker 2: that I wanted to ask you is that all through this, right,
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Speaker 2: we've been doing this show for a really long time.
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Speaker 2: You know, we're past 450 episodes of this show.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: And so just a conversation I wanted to have with
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Speaker 2: you is like, dude, why do you keep doing this? Right.
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Speaker 2: with the crazy fandom world that we live in. I mean,
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Speaker 2: let's be honest, our numbers aren't amazing. We have tens
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Speaker 2: and tens of listeners and we're so thankful for all
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Speaker 2: of them. But like, what is it that keeps you
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Speaker 2: coming back every week to talk about this franchise that
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Speaker 2: really seems to have been through the ringer since 2017?
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Speaker 1: Honestly, I'm talking to you, obviously. And the thing is,
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Speaker 1: it's not just talking to you because we do that
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Speaker 1: every day by text message, as most people do now.
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Speaker 1: But talking to you and it's a, topic we have
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Speaker 1: in common. These are conversations you and I would have anyway.
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Speaker 1: And I'm going to be honest with you. It's not
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Speaker 1: because I think that we're great historical figures or anything
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Speaker 1: like that. We will be forgotten in time by all
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Speaker 1: but the Lord. And I think that there is just
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Speaker 1: the fact that this is going to sound completely demented,
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Speaker 1: but I consider it a responsibility to share healthy conversations
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Speaker 1: with the world. Part of that has to do with
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Speaker 1: the fact that I picked up podcasting at a certain point.
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Speaker 1: It's how I've made a lot of friends, including you.
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Speaker 1: But coming back here and demonstrating to people I know
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Speaker 1: personally who are in one camp or the other, that
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Speaker 1: it's possible to exist in a rational place and point
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Speaker 1: them to something that I'm proud to be a part of,
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Speaker 1: where you and I, we're demonstrating to the world, in
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Speaker 1: my opinion, that this is possible. It's possible to have
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Speaker 1: the constructive criticism. It's possible to come in and have
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Speaker 1: something that you're not nuts about. You and I differ
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Speaker 1: on stuff. I mean, without talking about the jokier sort
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Speaker 1: of arguments that you and I have had and everything
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Speaker 1: like that, or even the serious ones that we've had
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Speaker 1: about different stuff, we can talk about Tales from the Underworld.
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Speaker 1: I love the Cad Bane arc. You weren't nuts about it. Okay.
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Speaker 1: But at the same time, none of us ever comes
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Speaker 1: at it like, Oh, this show cured my cancer when
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Speaker 1: nobody else is like, oh, this show traveled through the
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Speaker 1: past and murdered my ancestors. Like it's what normal people are.
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Speaker 1: And again, not trying to give ourselves too much credit
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Speaker 1: or anything, but yeah, I think that people in this
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Speaker 1: day and age have a responsibility to share healthy conversations
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Speaker 1: with the world.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I like the way that you put that, and
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Speaker 2: I think that there really is so much to that.
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Speaker 2: There's where you went with it, that the idea of
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Speaker 2: being able to talk about this thing we love and
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Speaker 2: be okay with the fact that we're not going to
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Speaker 2: love everything. I remember just getting back– you know, um,
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Speaker 2: into fandom big time. And really then that fandom was
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Speaker 2: super charged in many ways, uh, when I got into podcasting, um, and,
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Speaker 2: you know, cause I'd always been a huge Star Wars fan,
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Speaker 2: but then to find this outlet, to be able to
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Speaker 2: talk about it, you know, consistently, uh, and then put
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Speaker 2: it out into the world was, you know, whole new thing, uh,
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Speaker 2: as they say on that Disney film, it was a.
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Speaker 1: Whole new world.
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Speaker 2: And it was interesting then to just be in the
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Speaker 2: larger ecosphere of Star Wars and having people who didn't
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Speaker 2: agree with you all the time and whatnot. And it's
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Speaker 2: interesting because I think it is healthy for us to
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Speaker 2: be able to talk about things where we can say,
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Speaker 2: I liked this, but I didn't.
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Speaker 1: Love this about it.
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Speaker 2: There is no binary when it comes to opinion and
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Speaker 2: when it comes to art, right? And I think that
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Speaker 2: we can all agree that there are definitely some things
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Speaker 2: artistically where a majority of people are like, okay, that
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Speaker 2: was just trash. And you could name... Any number of
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Speaker 2: films where people like the– not just the popular consensus,
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Speaker 2: but it's like there's consensus across the board except for
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Speaker 2: like the 0.1 percent where it's like, oh, yeah, nobody
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Speaker 2: liked that or even thought it was good or thought
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Speaker 2: it was worth watching ever again. If we burned all
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Speaker 2: of the film that it was ever put on, nobody
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Speaker 2: would miss it. Aside from that, that's not the way
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Speaker 2: most things are. And I do think it's just incredibly
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Speaker 2: important for us to be able to have good conversations
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Speaker 2: about things. And I think the other part about this
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Speaker 2: for me is Star Wars continues to be when it's
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Speaker 2: at its best about something that I think the world
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Speaker 2: actually needs, which is it continues to reinforce the very
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Speaker 2: simple idea that George had from the beginning about that
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Speaker 2: if you live a selfless life, it is better than
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Speaker 2: living a selfish life. It's better for you and it's
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Speaker 2: better for everyone around you. And the ripple effects of that,
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Speaker 2: you know, cascade out into the larger galaxy. And, you know,
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Speaker 2: I think that's the thing that I continue to continually
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Speaker 2: come back to with this series is that when it's
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Speaker 2: at its best, it's reinforcing something that I think this
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Speaker 2: world just kind of desperately needs more of, you know?
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Speaker 1: To borrow from one of the better entries in the
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Speaker 1: Star Trek series, it's better for you, it's better for us,
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Speaker 1: it's better for them. And I think that, I mean,
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Speaker 1: that's the thing too, right? Is like, it's so wild
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Speaker 1: because I think, you know, and let's keep it contained
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Speaker 1: just to Star Wars fandom. There's– people have just spent
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Speaker 1: tons and tons of digital ink talking about toxicity in fandoms, blah, blah, blah, blah,
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Speaker 1: all that type of stuff. You find it in every
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Speaker 1: type of fandom. It's not unique to anyone. And I
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Speaker 1: think that keeping it focused in the Star Wars fandom,
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Speaker 1: it's important to realize it's okay to just have fun
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Speaker 1: with it sometimes. And I think what it is is
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Speaker 1: people take everything too seriously sometimes. People vest too much
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Speaker 1: into it. At the end of the day, it's entertainment
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Speaker 1: that I happen to love that, to your point, is
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Speaker 1: art because of what it sets out to do. It
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Speaker 1: is trying to do and say something important, like you said,
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Speaker 1: to the world. But at the same time, it's okay
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Speaker 1: to come in and have fun with it. Like in
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Speaker 1: one of our text threads, when I saw the Ahsoka
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Speaker 1: Season 2 trailer... Why did I declare it has an
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Speaker 1: immediate and irrevocable five stars? I finally get to see
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Speaker 1: B-Wings in live action tearing up Star Destroyer. You know,
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Speaker 1: five stars. That is the best thing I've ever seen
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Speaker 1: in my life because I've waited, you know, like I'm like,
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Speaker 1: I see that moment and I'm like, Rudy, and I'm like,
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Speaker 1: I've been waiting my whole life for this.
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Speaker 2: Yep, 100%.
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Speaker 1: This is the moment ever since I saw the B-Wing
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Speaker 1: and I saw the Star Destroyer blowing up in that
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Speaker 1: still photo. And like, I watched the movie and I'm like,
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Speaker 1: why didn't I get that, man? Why didn't I get
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Speaker 1: the Star Destroyer? And now it's like, you know what?
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Speaker 1: I'm going to give you a little something here. You're
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Speaker 1: going to see the B-Wing do that. I'm like, yay.
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Speaker 1: I finally get to see it. But that's all in fun.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that I actually think I'm immediately going
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Speaker 1: to give it five stars. To borrow a line from
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Speaker 1: a dear old friend of mine, the immortal Craigula, do
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Speaker 1: you remember fun? And like that, that's what brings me
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Speaker 1: back is we have fun with this. And it's like,
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Speaker 1: I just, I always feel like, again, it's a leading
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Speaker 1: by example thing. It's okay. You can have fun with it, guys.
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Speaker 1: It's totally fine. It's totally fine not to take it
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Speaker 1: too seriously.
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Speaker 2: Well, and I think a part of this too is-
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Speaker 2: You know, one of the things that we've seen throughout
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Speaker 2: everything is that everything has been politicized. And I'm not
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Speaker 2: taking away the fact that, you know, Lucas was saying
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Speaker 2: things politically, of course, throughout the original trilogy and the prequels, right?
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Speaker 1: That's not what I'm saying.
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Speaker 2: Although I think that what he was saying was so
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Speaker 2: much more relevant to every single society and all time
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Speaker 2: because it's a moral discussion based off a historical story.
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Speaker 2: And when I say that, I mean like the human
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Speaker 2: condition story. Which is to descend into tyranny and because
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Speaker 2: of the– again, the very base thing about Star Wars
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Speaker 2: is selflessness and selfishness. And so– but I think everything
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Speaker 2: became so politicized and I think it's one of the
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Speaker 2: other things that I so appreciate about the discussions that
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Speaker 2: we end up having. It's like, I don't care about
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Speaker 2: what your perceived political thought process is about what this is.
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Speaker 2: I'm judging it as a Star Wars story. I'm judging
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Speaker 2: it whether or not I feel like it fits within
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Speaker 2: the Star Wars universe. Is it good Star Wars? I
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Speaker 2: don't care about the rest of the stuff because that's
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Speaker 2: not important to whether or not this is something that
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Speaker 2: adds or subtracts from this overall saga. And I think
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Speaker 2: that's something that so many fans just got so caught
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Speaker 2: up in. And I find that sad because we actually
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Speaker 2: need a world where everything isn't political, where stories can
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Speaker 2: bring people together who are on different sides of the
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Speaker 2: aisle on different issues. That's one of the– like This
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Speaker 2: is a weird example, but I've been going to the
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Speaker 2: movies at least once a week to see a new
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Speaker 2: movie this year. And my goal is to see at
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Speaker 2: least one new movie a week. And one of the
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Speaker 2: fun things about that has been the just communal experience
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Speaker 2: of watching a film with people because it changes things, right?
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Speaker 2: When people react best. big at a theater because something
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Speaker 2: exciting or just that blew their minds happens and somebody
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Speaker 2: yells out in the theater, oh my gosh, like, and
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Speaker 2: everybody in the theater laughs. There's that moment of connectivity
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Speaker 2: between us all. I don't know any of these people,
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Speaker 2: but we've just shared something together, right? And that communal
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Speaker 2: experience matters. And I think We've just become so fragmented
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Speaker 2: in every way, and it's because everything has become, quote unquote,
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Speaker 2: political that we've just lost the ability to talk about,
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Speaker 2: is this good Star Wars or not?
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Speaker 1: I agree. And again, not to try to take it
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Speaker 1: out to the larger world. I think that that's the
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Speaker 1: thing where it's happening not just within– one fan base.
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Speaker 1: I think that everybody has jumped on this idea in
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Speaker 1: specific that everything has to speak to a specific thing
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Speaker 1: in a specific time and cater to my particular temporal
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Speaker 1: beliefs in certain things. Whereas you could wind up changing
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Speaker 1: somebody's mind about something by presenting a compelling story And
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Speaker 1: making them think and then saying, you know, it's funny
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Speaker 1: how that's like the thing, right? And that can get
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Speaker 1: the change to happen. And, you know, winning the mind
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Speaker 1: of somebody is done that way. If you yell at somebody,
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Speaker 1: they're going to dig their heels in and they're going to,
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Speaker 1: it's time for a fight. But if you talk to
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Speaker 1: somebody and you sort of like be like, hey, you know,
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Speaker 1: it's like that thing, you know, over in Star Wars
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Speaker 1: where they had that thing where the Bad Batch encountered
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Speaker 1: Asajj Ventress and, you know, They kind of thought of
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Speaker 1: her as a bad person, but by the time you
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Speaker 1: see her there, it's like there's a little more to her.
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Speaker 1: There's something strange going on, and she seems like she's
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Speaker 1: putting herself back together, and isn't it a good thing
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Speaker 1: that she got that chance? And somebody could be like,
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Speaker 1: oh yeah, you're right, it is important to give people chances,
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Speaker 1: to give them the opportunity to change their ways. You know,
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Speaker 1: like Asajj Ventress was a legit villain, and we see
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Speaker 1: her redeemed over time very incrementally, and Again, just like
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Speaker 1: Anakin himself, just like so many other people in Star Wars,
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Speaker 1: redeemed by love. And that's the growing and going theme
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Speaker 1: and the going concern. And the problem with rooting things
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Speaker 1: to specific moments in time and political movements within time
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Speaker 1: is if you go back to all of the stuff
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Speaker 1: that Lucas said in the notes that we've seen and
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Speaker 1: the making of books and all of that type of stuff,
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Speaker 1: Palpatine was Richard Nixon to Lucas. Nixon was his inspiration
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Speaker 1: point for Palpatine. But at no point when I was
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Speaker 1: a little kid did I see the Emperor as Richard Nixon,
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Speaker 1: nor did anybody see him as Richard Nixon in the prequels.
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Speaker 1: So if Lucas had made it so that Palpatine on
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Speaker 1: screen put up two fingers and went, I am not
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Speaker 1: a crook, that diminishes it. And to your point, it's
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Speaker 1: more universal than that. And that's the way that you're
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Speaker 1: going to speak to everybody and get us all to
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Speaker 1: where we want to be, which is a place of agreement,
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Speaker 1: getting people, people at a baseline want to get along,
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Speaker 1: you know, most people do at least. And so it's like,
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Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. I mean, I mean, think about,
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Speaker 1: think about this. Let me answer your question. Let me
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Speaker 1: come back and answer your question this way. The reason
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Speaker 1: to keep having conversations like this is you asking this
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Speaker 1: question You're my dear friend, and I'm sitting there, and
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Speaker 1: I'm like, I wouldn't really have thought of this particular
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Speaker 1: thing this way. I love having these types of conversations,
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Speaker 1: and that's why I keep coming back.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's interesting because, in all honesty, maybe
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Speaker 2: it's just helpful that we were never the number one
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Speaker 2: podcast in any kind of– Pressure was put on us.
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Speaker 2: We've just always been in this for love of the game,
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Speaker 2: love of Star Wars, right? It's not about being super
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Speaker 2: popular or whatever. It's just two guys sharing their opinions
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Speaker 2: on Star Wars and their friendship with people. I mean,
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Speaker 2: if you listen to 450 some odd episodes of us,
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Speaker 2: truly that's what it is.
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Speaker 1: We're sharing.
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Speaker 2: Lives together and our love of Star Wars. And we
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Speaker 2: truly are really good friends brought together by this saga,
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Speaker 2: but we have stayed for so much more. And the
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Speaker 2: joy of continuing to do this is that I just
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Speaker 2: love talking about Star Wars with my friend. We say
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Speaker 2: that every year at Thanksgiving, which is the national holiday
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Speaker 2: of aggressive negotiations.
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Speaker 1: It sure is.
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Speaker 2: But It's also, I think, the thing that, and I
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Speaker 2: love that you said this at the beginning, it's like
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Speaker 2: there is a sense of responsibility that I feel of saying, hey,
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Speaker 2: we can all love this thing even if we don't
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Speaker 2: all agree about everything else outside of Star Wars. But
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Speaker 2: we should be able to have great conversations about this
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Speaker 2: because it is just a story and it is just
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Speaker 2: meant to, like, partially entertain us. But at the same time,
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Speaker 2: George was very specific about wanting to entertain while at
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Speaker 2: the same time reinforcing, I think, the most positive aspects
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Speaker 2: of our world and the most important virtues that almost
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Speaker 2: every civilization has agreed on. That was his goal.
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Speaker 1: Obviously, he's driven.
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Speaker 2: By the ideas of Joseph Campbell and all of those
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Speaker 2: things seem to be things that most civilizations tend to share.
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Speaker 2: And so in a small way, I think that's just
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Speaker 2: about us sharing those with you guys.
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Speaker 1: And let's qualify that. The successful civilizations tend to come
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Speaker 1: together around these ideas.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 1: Because there have been less successful civilizations that couldn't coalesce
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Speaker 1: around these ideas. And inertia might keep you going for
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Speaker 1: a little while, but let's be honest, eventually you're going
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Speaker 1: to run out of gas. For these sorts of things.
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Speaker 1: This is true. But also, you know, also, you know,
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Speaker 1: you know, underlaid. And, you know, one of the things
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Speaker 1: that I'll even give Andor, which, you know, I'm not
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Speaker 1: the world's biggest fan of that series, but like. I mean,
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Speaker 1: nobody's perfect. There's, however I am, it's strange. But like
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Speaker 1: one of those things is that they also talk about
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Speaker 1: how things get to that, things get to that stage
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Speaker 1: of being so decadent. that people lose the ability to
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Speaker 1: see the things falling apart around them. They can't see
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Speaker 1: the decay anymore. Things on Coruscant are so good, just
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Speaker 1: like things were so good in Rome or in London
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Speaker 1: at the height of the British Empire, the Ottomans, any
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Speaker 1: other empire throughout history. Tsarist Russia, they lose sight of
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Speaker 1: the fact that there's suffering around them And that's what
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Speaker 1: causes it– the people at the top don't see the
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Speaker 1: rot at the bottom. And that's what causes the whole
21:12
Speaker 1: structure to fall and collapse in on itself. And I
21:16
Speaker 1: think that that's something that I would be dying for
21:20
Speaker 1: a series to really explore in Star Wars would be
21:26
Speaker 1: the real difficulties of trying to put the Republic together
21:31
Speaker 1: from the ashes of the Empire. Because you're– how do
21:34
Speaker 1: you balance– building something new while honoring the past without
21:40
Speaker 1: becoming mired in what caused it to fail. And like,
21:45
Speaker 1: even that's an interesting thing they could still pursue, but
21:50
Speaker 1: haven't yet with Luke, right? Maybe Luke lost sight over
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Speaker 1: those 30 years and became enamored with the idea of
21:58
Speaker 1: chasing the past instead of forging a new way forward.
22:03
Speaker 1: if they come out with something like that, that could
22:05
Speaker 1: even rehabilitate some of the problems I have with the
22:08
Speaker 1: sequel trilogy, because I can at least see the way
22:11
Speaker 1: he got there because it's, it was just so jarring
22:14
Speaker 1: and those sorts of things. But like, again, like you
22:17
Speaker 1: were saying, like there's always, there's always the opportunity with this,
22:23
Speaker 1: this franchise, with this series to bring it back to
22:28
Speaker 1: its core. And I think that you and I, I
22:33
Speaker 1: love these discussions and I know that the people who are,
22:37
Speaker 1: who are listening, love these discussions because there are, you
22:43
Speaker 1: know what? Again, I'm going to dip into the Star
22:45
Speaker 1: Trek franchise. You and me, you know who we're like,
22:49
Speaker 1: like Cybok, more of us out there. We're, we are,
22:52
Speaker 1: we have assembled the Cyboks army of Star Wars fandom.
22:55
Speaker 1: And once again, I brought it back to Star Trek five. Booyah.
22:58
Speaker 1: Suck it. Yes, I did it.
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, uh, Sometimes I need my pain and
23:04
Speaker 2: that's why I talk to you. That's fair.
23:09
Speaker 1: That's a valid point. I'd say you have plenty of
23:11
Speaker 1: hours of evidence of that one. Yeah, that's true.
23:13
Speaker 2: But look, I think.
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Speaker 1: This is the thing.
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Speaker 2: And I continually come back and I continue to do
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Speaker 2: this because I love Star Wars. And the beauty was,
23:28
Speaker 2: for me, I wasn't going to let any outside force
23:33
Speaker 2: take that thing away from me, right? And I'm thankful
23:38
Speaker 2: that through the good, the bad, and the ugly of
23:42
Speaker 2: all the stuff that's come out since Disney bought Lucasfilm,
23:48
Speaker 2: you're not going to take away the fact that I
23:49
Speaker 2: love Star Wars, right? I'll always have the things I love,
23:55
Speaker 2: whether you keep adding things that I don't. And the
23:58
Speaker 2: beauty is.
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Speaker 1: That it's been a mixed bag.
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Speaker 2: But there's been some stuff that's come out that I
24:03
Speaker 2: hold up there with the highest regard for any Star
24:06
Speaker 2: Wars ever. And we wouldn't have got if Disney hadn't
24:10
Speaker 2: bought Star Wars maybe. And so like I'm just thankful
24:14
Speaker 2: for when we get good Star Wars and I love
24:17
Speaker 2: getting to celebrate that with you and with all the
24:21
Speaker 2: people that do listen. And so, yeah, I mean, honestly,
24:26
Speaker 2: I just keep doing this because I still love this thing.
24:30
Speaker 2: And I still love my friend, and I love all
24:32
Speaker 2: the people who listen and talk to us about the
24:35
Speaker 2: things they like about this. And I just hope that
24:39
Speaker 2: this will spur on people wanting to do that more
24:41
Speaker 2: with us because if there's anything– years ago, we had
24:47
Speaker 2: this thing going on in the show where we talk
24:49
Speaker 2: about the Star Wars love. Hashtag Star Wars love.
24:52
Speaker 1: That's right. And I think there's.
24:54
Speaker 2: Just something that– we need more of that, right? And
24:59
Speaker 2: celebrate the things you love and let go of the
25:02
Speaker 2: things you hate. And isn't that what being a good
25:07
Speaker 2: Jedi in the end is all about?
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Speaker 1: Amen and hallelujah. Put a little Star Wars love in
25:12
Speaker 1: your heart to borrow from Al Green. Love it, love it,
25:16
Speaker 1: love it. And you know what else I love to
25:18
Speaker 1: do is I love to reach out to you online
25:20
Speaker 1: and harass you. Even though I talk to you on
25:22
Speaker 1: this podcast and I send text messages to you every day,
25:25
Speaker 1: I still love to harass you online. So Matt, where
25:28
Speaker 1: can people find you out there on the wilds of
25:30
Speaker 1: the internet?
25:31
Speaker 2: Would absolutely love to talk to people all over social media.
25:35
Speaker 2: My name is MattRushing02. So if I'm on that platform,
25:38
Speaker 2: find me there. Love to talk to you. You can
25:41
Speaker 2: also find me, of course, here on the network with Outposts.
25:43
Speaker 2: Talked about every single chapter of the Harry Potter series.
25:46
Speaker 2: And over on the TFM Network, got a few shows,
25:49
Speaker 2: got a bunch of great Star Trek talk with my
25:50
Speaker 2: good friend Chris Jones. And in the 602 Club, talking
25:54
Speaker 2: about all of the franchises we love outside of Star Trek.
25:58
Speaker 2: But John, if people wanted to catch up with you,
26:02
Speaker 2: maybe just talk about some of the things that they
26:04
Speaker 2: absolutely love in this saga. Where could people find you?
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Speaker 1: Well, gosh, you can find me out there as Kessel
26:09
Speaker 1: Junkie in the wilds of the internet. You can also
26:10
Speaker 1: find me over on KesselJunkie.com where I actually kind of
26:14
Speaker 1: quasi maintain a blog sometimes. And you can find me
26:17
Speaker 1: out there on Goodreads and on Letterboxd because you can
26:21
Speaker 1: only talk about books and you can only talk about movies.
26:24
Speaker 1: And I love to do both of those things. And
26:26
Speaker 1: of course, speaking of movies, you can hear me co-hosting
26:29
Speaker 1: a show called House Lights with Darren Moser and Tristan Riddell.
26:33
Speaker 1: And that's right here on this network. And we have
26:36
Speaker 1: a great time talking about things where it's different movies
26:38
Speaker 1: from different directors and how their interpretations of things differ.
26:43
Speaker 1: And it's fun. It's a lot of fun. But I'll
26:46
Speaker 1: tell you what else is a lot of fun is
26:48
Speaker 1: finally getting out of hyperspace, which I think we're finally
26:51
Speaker 1: about to do. So Master Rushing, I think it's time
26:54
Speaker 1: to close these negotiations.
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Speaker 2: John, negotiations are closed.
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Speaker 1: Join the revolution. Join the nerd party.