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English Accents · Why We Do What We Do

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  Speaker 1: You're listening to why we do what we do? Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to why we do what we do? I am your
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  Speaker 1: host from across the pond, Abraham.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm your host from here. With a bad accent, Shane.
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  Speaker 1: Or said like an eighteenth century British person, I'm your
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  Speaker 1: host from across the pond, Abraham.
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  Speaker 3: Dude.
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  Speaker 2: We could have dude, we could have started with hey,
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  Speaker 2: ye hey, yee, yeah, welcome to you your podcast.
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  Speaker 3: It's a good podcast, ain't it.
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  Speaker 4: That's uh.
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  Speaker 1: We'll mostly keep the accents to a minimum at this point,
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  Speaker 1: but dropped a little east egg for an upcoming discussion
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  Speaker 1: point we're going to have in this episode. Anyway, thank
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  Speaker 1: you for joining us. Welcome, and we hope that you
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  Speaker 1: enjoy what you hear in this episode today. If you're
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  Speaker 1: tell a friend. I'll talk more about that at the
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  Speaker 1: end of this discussion. But I don't think I said
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  Speaker 1: we are a psychology podcast. We talk about the things
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  Speaker 1: that humans and non human animals do, and sometimes we
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  Speaker 1: talk about the sounds we make with our faces.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and so today we are talking about English accents specifically,
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  Speaker 2: or as I like to call it, American Revolution runner
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  Speaker 2: up accents.
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  Speaker 4: Wonderful, all right?
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  Speaker 1: And either way, today is May the thirteenth if you're
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  Speaker 1: listening to this on the day that it publishes, because
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  Speaker 1: you are just so on top of your stuff, and
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  Speaker 1: that means, as you likely.
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  Speaker 4: All know, that is cough drop Day. So happy cough
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  Speaker 4: drop Day.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, recola. It is donate today's wages to charity.
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  Speaker 1: Oh generous, and I approve, yes, particularly if you're like
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  Speaker 1: Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos. Definitely definitely donate days a charity.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And and but let's be specific about these charities. Acceptable
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  Speaker 1: charities include a SBC A, the Trevor Project. I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: there's more, Oh, Pan Parenthood.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's lots.
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  Speaker 1: Those are good, There's more, but those are a good
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  Speaker 1: three to go after.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: It is also frog jumping Day.
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  Speaker 3: Yes it is. It is also International Hummus Day.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yes, okay, great, and you can slather that all
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  Speaker 1: over your apple pie for a National apple Pie Day.
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  Speaker 2: Oh god, so a garlic apple pie a garlic eats.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even know where to go with that. It's
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  Speaker 2: National leprechn Day.
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  Speaker 1: That feels like that should have been in March. It
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  Speaker 1: is National Root Canal Appreciation Day. I feel like it's
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  Speaker 1: asking a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's a that's a tall order. It's Top
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  Speaker 3: Gun Day.
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  Speaker 4: Sure, it is Tulip Day. Tulips are pretty.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmm, your two lips are pretty. It is uh,
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  Speaker 2: it is World Orienteering.
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  Speaker 4: Day, vaguely sexual. It's Foodalogy Awareness Day.
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  Speaker 3: It's International Coaching Week.
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  Speaker 1: And it is National Bike Week. I think bike is
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  Speaker 1: in bicycle, but maybe it is motorbike.
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  Speaker 2: Who knows bicycle specifically, because it's also ride your bike
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  Speaker 2: to Work Week?
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  Speaker 1: So oh I love this. Okay, favorite things. Okay, that's
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  Speaker 1: what we have to say about the holidays. We are
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  Speaker 1: actually here to talk about accents in the various ways
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  Speaker 1: that they appear, particularly for English speakers. You've probably noticed
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  Speaker 1: that people from English speaking countries in Europe have a
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  Speaker 1: distinctive accent from English speaking countries such as, oh, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, let's say the United States, and also New
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  Speaker 1: Zealand and Australia. But given that American English was transported
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  Speaker 1: to the United States via boat, why are these accents
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  Speaker 1: so different sounding from one another? And maybe to like
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  Speaker 1: an English as a second language speaker, they don't necessarily
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  Speaker 1: hear a lot of the differences. I don't know to
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  Speaker 1: let write in and let us know if you do
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  Speaker 1: hear the difference is but those of us who are
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  Speaker 1: native English speakers, we very very clearly hear the difference.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So today we're gonna evaluate the history of what
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  Speaker 2: is commonly recognized as the British or English accent as
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  Speaker 2: compared to an American accent, as well as some other
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  Speaker 2: related accent variations, and of course we're gonna get into
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  Speaker 2: why they are different exactly.
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  Speaker 1: So are we ready to dive into our topic or
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  Speaker 1: do we have anything that we need to preamble before
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  Speaker 1: we start?
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  Speaker 2: Oh?
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  Speaker 3: No, I think we can dive in and this is
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  Speaker 3: gonna be a good.
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  Speaker 4: Time, beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, We're gonna start with some things that are just
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  Speaker 1: they're obvious, but they're worth saying anyway, because I think
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  Speaker 1: these are points that are sometimes forgotten, missed, or underappreciated
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  Speaker 1: in the conceptualization of language and how we communicate with
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  Speaker 1: one another. It may seem very obvious, but it does
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  Speaker 1: feel overlooked. And take it for granted that language language
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  Speaker 1: as just behavior that the facilitates engagement and coordinated behaviors
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  Speaker 1: across multiple people. Okay, it really only needs to have
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  Speaker 1: one quality. It is effective. It works. Yeah, it is
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  Speaker 1: just a way that I can behave that allows us,
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  Speaker 1: multiple of us who around each other, to behave in
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  Speaker 1: a coordinated way.
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  Speaker 4: That's all it is.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, saying that's all it is, I think maybe underscores
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  Speaker 1: how remarkable of achievement that is. It's amazing, it is
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  Speaker 1: very cool. I love it. But that is what it
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  Speaker 1: is when you boil it down to it. It is
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  Speaker 1: behavior that allows us to coordinate our behaviors together efficiently
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  Speaker 1: and effectively.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And thus there is no form that any particular word
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  Speaker 2: or phrase or meaning is likely to take as long
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  Speaker 2: as it can effectively facilitate engagement and coordination of behavior,
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  Speaker 2: although there is a case to be made that automotive
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  Speaker 2: pias are more likely to be adopted quickly and more intuitive.
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  Speaker 3: We see this in.
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  Speaker 2: Some variations or some versions of some words, and some
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  Speaker 2: commonalities and words and languages around the world. You see
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of that to carry over. But otherwise,
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  Speaker 2: we just need to be able to take a word,
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  Speaker 2: and I need to be able to express that word
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  Speaker 2: in whatever form that is necessary to another person, and
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  Speaker 2: they should be able to respond to that stimulus, whatever
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  Speaker 2: that is.
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  Speaker 1: As long as we agree on what that word is
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  Speaker 1: in reference to, then we can use it for symbolic
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  Speaker 1: abstract communication. That's it like a The sound has no meaning,
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  Speaker 1: but we can add meaning to it, and that adding
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  Speaker 1: of meaning allows us to then behave effectively with respect
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  Speaker 1: to one another. You know, if we teach you a
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  Speaker 1: new word on this podcast, then that is another word
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  Speaker 1: that you will be able to behave with respect to
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  Speaker 1: more effectively than you were before. And that may or
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  Speaker 1: may not happen. I don't have a plan for it,
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  Speaker 1: but sometimes these things arise organically. Yeah, okay. English is,
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  Speaker 1: for better or for worse, the most commonly spoken language
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  Speaker 1: in the world. Mandarin is a close second because it
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  Speaker 1: is the language with the most native speakers. Because with English,
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  Speaker 1: as you have a lot of people who have learned
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  Speaker 1: English and speak it in a lot of different places,
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  Speaker 1: although it wasn't necessarily their first language or their native language,
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  Speaker 1: but it is the most spoken language in the world,
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  Speaker 1: with Mandarin being the most spoken language with the most
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  Speaker 1: native speakers. If that makes some sense, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: mean yeah, but English has many word sound variations that
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  Speaker 1: are still desperate across geographic regions.
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  Speaker 2: Primarily I wonder why English is spoken in so many places.
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  Speaker 2: It couldn't it's it's probably like a super like innocuous
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  Speaker 2: probably probably a very nice reason.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, I wouldn't have anything to do with like
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  Speaker 1: stealing culture and land and people and pillaging or anything
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  Speaker 1: like that.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, I would never I could. I
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  Speaker 2: could never attribute everybody speaking English to colonization or anything
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  Speaker 2: like that. Also, by the way, as we're talking about
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  Speaker 2: because we are talking about language, I think it's important
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  Speaker 2: to know, like across the world currently there are over
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  Speaker 2: seven thousand living languages that are documented worldwide. So language
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  Speaker 2: is like this really vast complex thing that's really just
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  Speaker 2: kind of Yeah, I think it's a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 4: Sure.
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  Speaker 2: So the question of the day is today, why does
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  Speaker 2: American English sound different from British English? The progenitor of
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  Speaker 2: the American people as current us specifically is what we
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  Speaker 2: mean not just not just not indigenous peoples, but us
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  Speaker 2: centric people. Yes again, colonization. Could it be that a
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  Speaker 2: couple of centuries of being separated by an ocean just
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  Speaker 2: led to that much natural divergence. It's possible, But we
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  Speaker 2: actually know the reason why American English and English English
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  Speaker 2: sound English English sound, and the silliest reason possible is classism.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: So in the opening to this episode, I added in
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  Speaker 1: a little piece here, which is I said it with
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  Speaker 1: a sort of British accent, and then I said, or
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  Speaker 1: said like an eighteenth century British person, your host from
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  Speaker 1: across the pond. Why did I say that? That's because
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  Speaker 1: the accents and inflections that American use today are very
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  Speaker 1: similar to the accents and inflections used in Britain at
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  Speaker 1: the time that Americans would have been immigrating to the
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  Speaker 1: United States. So said another way, British accents changed in
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  Speaker 1: the seventeen hundreds, while American accents remained approximately the same.
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  Speaker 2: That's I love the idea of folks settling in the
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  Speaker 2: United States, like the British settling here, talking like us
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  Speaker 2: now and just being like, hey, get the logs, like
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  Speaker 2: not like in like, not sounding fancy like they're often
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  Speaker 2: portrayed in movies and stuff like that, but I'm so
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  Speaker 2: excited to get into this now. Of course, language chips
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  Speaker 2: and changes over time. I'm sure that when people arrived
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  Speaker 2: here to settle that they weren't saying bootylicious or jibbroni.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, it changes, but neither are exactly like
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  Speaker 2: they like. The language is not going to be the
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  Speaker 2: same as it was two hundred years ago, but the
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  Speaker 2: divergence is greater in British pronunciation than an American pronunciation,
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  Speaker 2: and that's kind of a fascinating thing to unpack.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So the American accent that you hear in
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  Speaker 1: our voices now is pretty close to how people sounded
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  Speaker 1: when they arrived here in the sixteen hundreds. And if
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  Speaker 1: you were to have been in Britain, in Essex and Liverpool,
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  Speaker 1: in London, in anywhere in the UK besides Ireland and Scotland,
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  Speaker 1: the accents you would have heard would have sounded about
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  Speaker 1: like we sound now and definitely pretty much exactly how
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  Speaker 1: people sounded in the sixteen hundreds. The one that changed
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  Speaker 1: the most here is on the British side of things,
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  Speaker 1: that that inflection is the newer of the two here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's talk about how that happens. I think
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  Speaker 2: that's I think that's something that's really important, or like
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  Speaker 2: the mechanics of accents specifically.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So let's we'll get into what is characteristic
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  Speaker 1: of a sort of British English accent. And the main
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  Speaker 1: distinction that linguists have described between these two accents is
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  Speaker 1: called rotic and non rotic. And this refers to the
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  Speaker 1: pronunciation of our sounds. So as as people probably have noticed,
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  Speaker 1: the post vocalic R sound in received pronunciation or RP.
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  Speaker 1: I'll come back to this in a second, is dropped
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  Speaker 1: in favor of an uh sound. Now, post vocalic essentially
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  Speaker 1: means at the end of the word so and our
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  Speaker 1: sound of the end of the word instead of saying
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  Speaker 1: err in this inflection, in a British inflection, it says uh.
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  Speaker 1: So favor becomes favor and brother becomes brother or brother,
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  Speaker 1: depending on which part of the accident you're using. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but notice that the first R and brother is pronounced
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  Speaker 1: so brother, brother and brother.
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  Speaker 4: Either way you hear the er and burr, that part
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  Speaker 4: is there.
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  Speaker 1: It's just the post vocalic R, the err at the
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  Speaker 1: end that turns into uh instead in this sort of
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  Speaker 1: way that it's pronounced.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, which is different than like pack the ca yeah,
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  Speaker 2: well ca, now ca ca would be yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That is that is actually, that is the exact thing.
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  Speaker 1: That is a non a non rhotic pronunciation ca yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and like ad tisa.
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  Speaker 4: All right, we're back.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking about one of the primary distinctions of the
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  Speaker 1: sort of British and inflection and annunciation that you'll hear,
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  Speaker 1: and that is the non rhodic sounds. Actually there's a
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  Speaker 1: little story here. Rupert Grint is an actor known for
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  Speaker 1: playing Ron Weasley in the Harry Potter movies. He was
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  Speaker 1: on an American TV show called Servant a few years
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  Speaker 1: ago and which he used an American accent for that.
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  Speaker 1: He actually did a great job, like it was. I
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  Speaker 1: was very impressed at how good his American accent was.
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  Speaker 1: But when he was asked about adapting to American English pronunciations,
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  Speaker 1: he commented that there were like thirteen rs. And I
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  Speaker 1: think he was talking about the word floorboard. He's like,
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  Speaker 1: you have to say it like there's thirteen rs. And
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  Speaker 1: it is funny to say it like that, but I
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  Speaker 1: also thought it's kind of silly because I was like, well,
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  Speaker 1: you don't pronounce your rs so you get upset you
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  Speaker 1: if you have to even make one R sound in
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  Speaker 1: a word, compare and compare one R sound is having
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  Speaker 1: thirteen because you're used to having no R sounds whatsoever.
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  Speaker 1: Floorboard as opposed to floorboard floorboard, floorboard, which I think
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  Speaker 1: is very difficult for non American English speakers to say,
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  Speaker 1: unless you're from West Country, which we'll get to it
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  Speaker 1: in a minute.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Now there are other idiots and gresies of RP that
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  Speaker 2: include very enunciated or aspirated t's, p's, and k sounds
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  Speaker 2: like data versus data?
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  Speaker 3: Right? Is that? How does that how you got okay?
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  Speaker 2: Or like pot versus pot, like sometimes like people will
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  Speaker 2: really be clear about that, or key versus key, Like
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's like it's like something like just like
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  Speaker 2: putting like a real strong emphasis.
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  Speaker 4: It's like a little breath on it, like as opposed
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  Speaker 4: to like a glottal stop like pot. Yeah, and that one,
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  Speaker 4: I don't you actually hear the sound as much, but
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  Speaker 4: you hear pot and there's like a little at the
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  Speaker 4: like era at the end of it. That's that's sort
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  Speaker 4: of a unique thing of it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Or like so you've got like a broad a
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  Speaker 2: sound which makes a short o sound and words with
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  Speaker 2: a short a, so bath becomes both, sand becomes songed,
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  Speaker 2: and for the non rhotic and pronunciated letter example, park
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  Speaker 2: becomes pac. And homophones must be a nightmare for folks because,
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  Speaker 2: like I can see, I can see people just like
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  Speaker 2: just really struggling reading those.
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  Speaker 1: If you hear them and you're like, this word that
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  Speaker 1: doesn't sound at all like how it's spelled, but also
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  Speaker 1: sounds exactly like another word that is spelled in a
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  Speaker 1: similar way, the only way you're going to tell them
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  Speaker 1: apart is context, I guess. Yeah, But even some of
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  Speaker 1: those times it might not be able to because I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: you've basically just created a bunch more homophones on top
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  Speaker 1: of a bunch of existing homophones. So it's just like
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  Speaker 1: like read, read, and read exactly a bunch of words
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  Speaker 1: that sound the same that are spelled differently.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's annoying anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Depending on where you are hearing the accent, they will
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  Speaker 1: often glottalize, which is the word I made up, but
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  Speaker 1: they'll speak with a glotti basically glottill stop those hard
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  Speaker 1: consonant sounds, particularly the end of words, but in cock
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  Speaker 1: any accents. For example, they use a glottal stop consonants
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of words, so water becomes what. And
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  Speaker 1: then you might also hear the L sound differently at
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  Speaker 1: the end of words, where it comes together more like
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  Speaker 1: a W like woo, and so rather than than an
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  Speaker 1: L sound, you don't use the tongue at all, So
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  Speaker 1: you'd say like sell to say cell becomes cell because
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  Speaker 1: a little bit it's like it you close the lips
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  Speaker 1: at the end instead of using the tongue. And then also,
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  Speaker 1: as we mentioned before, a lot of them will tend
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  Speaker 1: to use a or sound instead of the thh, so
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  Speaker 1: thirteen becomes footeen.
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  Speaker 3: Your accents are really good, by the way, I did.
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  Speaker 4: Not think they were very good, so I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I meant as a native English speaker American
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  Speaker 2: English speaker, they sound they sound lovely.
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  Speaker 1: So I was when I was learning French, I was
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  Speaker 1: told I had a good ear for being able to
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  Speaker 1: place the correct sort of emphasis and accents on those words.
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  Speaker 1: So I think, I think I'm pretty good at hearing
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  Speaker 1: those things, but I can't always reproduce them as well
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  Speaker 1: as I feel like I should be able to.
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  Speaker 3: That's fair, That's fair. I also learn that I hate
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  Speaker 3: the word glottal.
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  Speaker 4: It is an unpleasant word.
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  Speaker 3: It's an unpleasant word.
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  Speaker 2: It's I think, like, you know, for my folks that
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  Speaker 2: are listening and they're like, oh, I hate the word
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  Speaker 2: moist or trousers.
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  Speaker 3: I think glottal is the new number one for me.
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  Speaker 3: So thanks for that.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe if you say it in an English accent glottle.
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  Speaker 2: Glottal glottal, which has a glottal pause in the middle,
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  Speaker 2: if I say glottal like that, or.
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  Speaker 4: You know, if you do the aspirated t glotto glottole.
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  Speaker 1: Ugh.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, the non rhotic aspect of so called English
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  Speaker 2: accent is fairly ubiquitous throughout the many variations across Europe
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  Speaker 2: except for a couple, but there are a lot more
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  Speaker 2: than you might think.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot more variations on the English accent. So
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  Speaker 1: the most common British or English accent you'll hear is
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: called has a few names. It's often called standard English
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: or received pronunciation, often short to RP, might be called
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: the Queen's English or BBC English. RP seems to be
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: the sort of scull dollarly academic neutral way to describe
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: it received pronunciation. This is traditionally associated with the middle
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: and upper class. It is the most wide spreads of
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: the various accents, so it doesn't have very firm geographic boundaries.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: You'll find the RP annunciation in a lot of places
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: where you hear a sort of British accent, and it
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: also has the fewest regional idiosyncrasies and peculiarities. So when
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: you hear a British sounding accent, it's likely the RP
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: type of accent, and kind of just by sheer statistical coincidence. Obviously,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: if you're in a place like Liverpool, you're going to
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: hear a Liverpool accent. But if you just hear a
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: generic British accent, there's a fairly decent chance, just because
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: it's the most widespread that you're hearing the received pronunciation
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: or standard English version of that accent.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Sure, Now we're going to get into some of the
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: different variations of this. Jordi is the oldest English dialect
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: that's still spoken, not including Americans, and he's most commonly
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: associated with people in Newcastle, up in Tyne in northeast England.
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  Speaker 2: So we're gonna play a real quick clip so you
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: can hear what this sounds.
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: Like me, you know me brothers and sisters were always
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: like dance for me friends or gone run and do
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: and jump into the splits and I would do it
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: all right.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean you can sort of hear in
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: that one. The that one feels like a more distinguished
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: like it's it's it's pretty clear how different it is
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: from like one of my call American English very pronounced.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Then we have Cockney. Many people will have heard this.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Apparently I learned while looking like looking into this episode,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Michael Kane originally is Cockney. Yeah, but he says, I,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: you know, he learned essentially RP because he's like, if
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: I spoke Cockney, you wouldn't have any idea what the
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: hello was saying, which is very funny. But Cockney is
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: generally associated with the English working class and lower class,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: specifically East End London, and is also maybe famously or
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: like well known for the Cockney rhyming slang, which was
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: putatively developed by market traders in the eighteen forties to
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: communicate with one another without being understood by the general
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: passers by. So, for example, you might say something like
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: loaf of bread for head, shortened to just loaf and
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: you might hear something like use your loaf instead of
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: use your head. Because loaf of bread bread rhymes with head,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: loaf of bread was the rhyming slang, loaf became the
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: stand in word, so use your loaf preferred to use
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: your head. I want to play another clip that does
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: not have the use your loaf Cockney rhyming slang, but
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: it is a sort of Cockney accent.
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: Oh do you think you are me mother that?
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: If I remember correctly, I think Idris Elba also like
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: speaks Cockney. Really yeah, that's that's my understanding, and that
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: he's got a little bit of that, Like he's got
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: that little bit of an accent.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: So just just one other thing. I think maybe it's
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: it's about it on hot ones a little bit.
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he says.
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  Speaker 1: I just had to google and it said specifically rooted
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: in an East End, which is the sort of area
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: associated with Cockney they call the Hackney area or a
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: New Cockney hybrid.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, interesting, I didn't know that.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, super interesting.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: So when you hear Idris Elba talk like casually, you
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: can hear a little bit of the v sound that
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: we're talking about.
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: I should have found an interest Elbow clip.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Love that guy's voice, Yeah, yeah, his voice is so
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: sultry and wonderful. Now, Scouse is an accent of Liverpool,
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: and you might recognize the sound of the Beatles who
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: were from Liverpool, so they have a little bit of
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: that touch of Scouse.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: So here's a clip for that.
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: It's got a cop on because he wants some scran.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: So that was Scouse and then the next one we're
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: going talking about is Brummy, which is an accent of Birmingham, England.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: It tends to lengthen stressed words with accompanying sharp rises
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: and falls in tone.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: So you might actually.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Recognize this as Ozzy Osbourne's accent, you know, maybe early
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Ozzie before you know, yeah, the substances, but that's specifically
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: the sound you're gonn here. And so we're gonna play
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: clip of Ozzie speaking and you're gonna hear exactly what
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: it sounds like.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: And this is old older Ozzie is like early in
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: his career, it was older Ozzie. Yeah, older as in
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: younger as in the clip as old, but when he
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: was the.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: Clip is older, but he is younger. Life is strange,
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: time is weird. Do you know that the weirdest thing.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: I have dreams and I can be chased by herds,
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: developments and whatever out the door. I mean like rhotic
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: and it's really weird.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: All right, So yeah, that's that's what. What the what
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: the brummy accent sounds like? The next one is West
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Country and this is the accent of southwest England up
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: to the Welsh border. And it is distinctive from many
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: of the others because this is e roodic pronunciation. They
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: do pronounce that are sounds at the ends of words.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Robbie Coltrane, who was famous for playing Hagrid in the
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: Harry Potter movies, had a a West Country accent.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: I try.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: I defined some clips of him speaking from Harry Potter.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: But then it occurred to me that Warner Brothers or
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: whoever now owns Warner Brothers, because who bought that was
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: that a.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: I think it's HBO now has it, so, but I
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: think they have a deal with Warner Brothers. I don't know.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: I can just do the accent. You're a wizard, Harry.
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: That was pretty good. Yeah.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: Uh, I think because I look like Hagrid. I think
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: that's the I think that's why that works. I did.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: I did find a clip to play, but because you
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: look like Hagrid, that's really funny. That's me a second well,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: and you did particularly well too because in what you
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: might think of as the RP or most of the
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: other ones, you'd say wizard, but he says wizard because
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: it's got the rth in there, which is perfect.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: So yeah, he's not a pirate. It's not pirate accents.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: But like you could see where like that are, it's
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: like that similar R sound, not the like it's it's
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: it's a real clear R in those words.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, you hear it. Okay, So here here's a
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: clip for a West Country accent.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: It's quite warm today.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Some people tend to think of West Country as being
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: all like a farm land sort of accent, but that
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: is not actually accurate. There are farmers there and they
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: do have that accent. But for some I don't know
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: why that association was made. Maybe there's a lot of
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: farmers there, but anyway, that doesn't it doesn't mean you're
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: a farmer if you have that accent. It's just people
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: from West Country. Of course, there are English accents unique
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: to Scotland, Wales, Northern Irelands that many people also sort
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: of pick up and recognize as being unique to those areas.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: I feel like I struggled to do an Irish accent,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: but I do like the Irish accent a lot. Yeah,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: the O'Malley's you know, and yeah.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's a little bit of that,
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: And they definitely do have the Rhodic sounds in the
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Northern Ireland. Northern Irish accent.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: I feel like just a general Irish accent has like
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: a cadence, it's got like a flow or like it's
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: a little bit singsongy.
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: And scott Scottish accent, which has a lot of influence
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: from Gayla, and you'll hear a lot of Gaelic sounds
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: in there are a lot of Gaelic words that still
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: exist when people are speaking English with that Scottish accent,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: that sort of the sounds unique to that. Then of
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: course you'll have the accents you'll hear from Australia and
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: New Zealand. They primarily speak English, but they have their
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: own accents as well that are again unique to them.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, And what's interesting is like you're talking hundreds of
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: years of again just like the American accent hundreds of
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: years removed from original settlers and stuff like that, and
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: also regional influences.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Yes, less years than what separate the Americans from the British,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: and the less years than it will take to get
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: through all these ads.
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  Speaker 4: We're back.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Technically I should have said fewer years to be grammatically correct,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: but you know whatever, all right, So that was just
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: sort of a numeration of the very accents that you'll find.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: There are probably many that we missed, but those are
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: some of the big ones that are out there. So
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: let's now get into sort of what is happening with
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: these Why are these accents accents?
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so, as we said earlier, the reason for accents,
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: specifically the accents that we talked about, is rooted. It's
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: rooted in classism, and white people just love, historically I
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: should say love analoxy probably a lot now too, love classism. Now,
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: classism is a central value of conservativism. People should ideally
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: be divided into the haves and the haves notts and
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: the have nots, with some boundary classifications low and working class,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: middle class, upper middle class, upper class, and the elites.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: And it's enough to make a decent human being vomit.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: It's awful and it's a terrible system and shouldn't exist.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: But we digress. The accents developed for class specifically, the
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: accents that we're talking about, they developed for classes reasons,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: and so let's unpack this timeline a little bit. So
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: here's your history lesson, folks.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just try to throw that note in there thatn like,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: you know, it seems to be a tradition of the colonists,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: specifically that they're like, we really want to have ensure
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: that you know that we're better than you, right, so
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: that I say, fui, you are not FOI. We don't
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: like it, Okay, but yeah, going into the history. So
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: in the eleventh century, William the Conqueror he was a
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: French aristocrat who and maybe even aristo crests are the
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: right word. He technically was royalty, but he invaded and
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: conquered England, which was at the time under the rule
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: of King Harold Godwinson. And as a French speaker, naturally,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: William brought Norman dy French with him and while he
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: was the ruler of England, he made Norman dy French
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: the High language. This was the language used in schools, courts, universities.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Of course, it was used among the upper class citizens. However,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: this really only lasted about as long as he did,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: so once he was no longer the ruler or whatever
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: happened after that, the language more or less reverted back
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: to what it was. But it did influence some aspects
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: of the language, and it evolved to Middle English, which
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: included French and traditional English sounds sort of mashed together
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: in this language, so you had some influence into the
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: English sounds and words from this. It just didn't It
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: wasn't that everyone continued to speak French, but there was
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: some influence.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Now, in the seventeen hundreds, it became very trendy in
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: the UK to use French style spellings and words, and
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: actually started incorporating French accents into English. The wealthy upper
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: class southern citizens of the UK wanted to distinguish themselves
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: from the lower classes, so they started speaking in a
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: way that sounded more posh to them, which was the
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: non rhotic are those are sounds, as well as other
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: French influences like hard consonants, so hard consonants, softer vowels,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: like kind of breathy types of sounds, and you'll see
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: that kind.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: Of like you can you can hear that a little
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: bit when you hear some of these accents.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're the broad a sound when it's a short
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: vowel like both and walk well, walk doesn't change by
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: sond yeah, sond pulse on each Yeah. Yeah, that was
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: another aspect of this. And of course this gradually spread
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: across everyone in the culture, and like it was initially
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: for like the elite upper class, but people want to
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: be like the upper class, and also you're just around
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: people long enough, it started to spread and the accents
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: no longer effectively distinguished classes from one another.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: I'm so glad you brought that up, because that's also
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: like a thing that happens today that I think is
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: really important, Like like when people talk about class systems,
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: like so much of it is resources, but language is
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: not always a resource, unless you're controlling for education and
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: like access to education and stuff like that. But ultimately,
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: what happens is language develops, and language bleeds into one another,
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: and people pick up words and accents and start to
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: exchange that across dialects and regions and stuff like that.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: And then you start, like you start you can see
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: like people will kind of separate that out, but eventually
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: it comes together because you can't gatekeep language that way
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: unless you're gatekeeping education.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Yes, and they did more or less try to gate
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: keep education to a point, and obviously the upper class
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: does still tend to try to do that as much
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: as possible.
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like you just you just are going to
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: be interacting with other.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: People at other sort of levels of income and social standing,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: and that will mean that there is becomes a mixture.
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: Of those things.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: So while the effort was there, it was temporary. Right Now,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Immigrants to America from England started arriving in the sixteen hundreds, right,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: So they spoke the common language and accents of that language,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: the language at the time and the accents of the
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: time when they arrived here. So early American settlers sounded
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: very similar, if not pretty much identical, to contemporary modern
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: English speakers. And they would have sounded exactly like the
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: people of the UK at all class levels at the
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: time that they were immigrating to the United States. Right,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: See what I'm saying, Like everyone who came here sounded
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: like everyone from where they came from. So everyone from
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: where they came from sounded basically like we do now
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: with you know, not exactly the same, but like there
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: was a lot more. It was e rhotic language. They
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: didn't have necessarily the same emphasis on aspirated consonants. They
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: didn't necessarily have weird elongations of certain vowels and soft
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: and less sort of broad a which sounds like an.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: O right right right now.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: And this is the same reason Australian accents sound more
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: similar to modern British accents than to American accents. Britain
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: began shipping people to Australia in the late seventeen hundreds
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: after the new trends and dialects had been established and
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: started to spread. So what has happened is these new
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: trends start to emerge in England and then they start
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: sending people across the world because they were trying to
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: get like nutmeg from over there. The nutmeg trade is
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: a whole that's a whole story in and of itself.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: But they started settling in Australia as well as using
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: it as a prison colony, and you have that layer
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: of English showing up in Australia, which was different than
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: the American English at the time.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, sixteen hundreds, English sounded very similar to this,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: like what we're saying, how we're talking now, seventeen hundreds,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: and like that when people are coming to the United
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: States seventeen hundreds, the British are now incorporating in these
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: French sounds and making this posh, upper class like idiosyncratic language.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Late seventeen hundreds are talking like seventeen eighties, they start
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: shipping convicts to Australia and with them they took sort
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: of that British accent, but it was going to diverge
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: somewhat over the couple of centuries. It's been since then,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: but okay. Due to the French connection, people in the
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: UK also adopted some French words for things, whereas Americans
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: adopted words from a lot of other language Spanish, Italian, Latin,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: et cetera. For example, coriander is the French and Latin
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: version of the word cilantro. So if you see coriander,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: just know that that is cilantro. They are the same thing,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: just every one. Something I learned today, very cool. So
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: that's the French word. The word cilantro is derived from
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: the Spanish version of that word, so that's that's why
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: the word, the version that we use in American English,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: aubergine is the French version of the word egg plant.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: In Britain and England, London, various places of the UK,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: they'll call it an aubergine, which is an egg plant,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: But obviously in American English we call it an egg plant,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: which likely comes from the fact that they look like eggs,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: and particularly in older cultivars when this name would have
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: been like starting to be used, egg plants that were
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: more commonly used in culinary traditions were smaller, rounder, and white.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: They literally looked like eggs like they like modern egg
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: plants are very long, the sort of older cultivars were
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: not quite as long. They were kind of more round,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: and they were white colored. So if you can imagine
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: those hanging off of a bush, you're like, hey, look
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: that bush's growing eggs over there.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: Hh.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what what that looks like. And then courgette
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: is the British and French version of zucchini, which is
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: the Americans use the Italian word for that zucchini or
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: you know, derive from Italian, so same exact food, but
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: you have corget is what they would call it in
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: British and in Britain and of course other UK countries
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: as well as French. But zucchini is the Italian version.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: It sounds like an Italian version of that word. And
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: that's the word that the Americans picked up.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, do we know what they like?
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: What they decided to use for ads? When they started
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: using those words? They did they pulled out? Is that
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: a strictly British invention? Did they pull that from French? Like?
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: Where do where do ads come from? Hell? Maybe?
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: I think? Hell?
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Okay, we are back and we've been sort
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: of unpacking the various words and regional differences in some
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: of these words. But there are also some other sort
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: of English ye based accents to describe as well.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: Oh man, I love some englishy based accents.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: A similar accent to the British accent, and existing for
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: similar reasons is the American mid Atlantic or trad Atlantic accent.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: This is described as being fake or created, as it
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: was introduced and highly popular for films in the early
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: nineteen hundreds as well as among New England elites. So,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: I mean you might think of this as an early
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: nineteen hundreds radio voice, like kind of what you picture
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: a JFK sounding like he's got a little bit of
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: that like a you know, or like like you hear
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: like the old like World War two reels, like it's like,
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: oh boy, I'm on the on the beaches. You know,
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: that's not specific. They're they're winning again, they're pushing, they're
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: they're not you know that that whole like ridiculous, or
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: like the baseball voice Jackie Robinson's up to the night
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: and you know, like one of those things, like it's
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: a really fun it's a really fun.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: Impression to do. By the way, like I really love
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: doing that voice. It's so stupid.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: I'm glad you're willing to I think you you're great.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: You're great at the at the radio voice. But yeah,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: so that's that's called the mid Atlantic or trans atlantic
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Atlantic accent. Here is actually a clip from a very
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: old movie from the early nineteen hundreds or film.
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: I don't know what it was.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: It was some kind of recorded thing because as we said,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: this was very popular to use in films, specifically and deliberately.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: So this this is a some kind of movie or
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: film that is h or show or I think it
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: was probably a movie. But where there ever people are
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: speaking with that sort of mid Atlantic or transatlantic accent.
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, hello, fancying you here, don't tell me you for
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: sakeniel benoved whiskey and whiskey.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, So that accent that you heard in here Again,
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: as I said, they call this fake, artificial or cultivated accent,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: and they say it's because it did not quote unquote
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: arise naturally.
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: As they put it, I.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Will say, it feels kind of difficult to argue that there.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: This is really significantly different than what happened in the
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: upper crust Englanders, who adopted a strategy to omit letter
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: sounds and emphasize other letter sounds and elongate other letter
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: sounds for the same reason they wanted to separate themselves
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: from the lower classes. And that was why this accent
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: was sort of cultivated into being. It was specifically taught,
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: like they would have classes that you would practice teaching
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: speaking with this accent, and it was acquired to blend
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: English accents with American accents, so it was kind of
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: a blend between the two. What you might hear in
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: England and what you'd American, you'd be familiar with, and
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: it was disseminated as a specific articulation strategy to upper
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: class families and to their children, to the people who
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: were you know, in Hollywood doing movies. But one thing
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: that also there are a couple of things that have
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: this stand out from it being an accent the way
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: that they tend to think about and talk about accents,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: and one is that this was not really geographically bound.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Most accents were unique to a region because that's how
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: people spoke in that region. This accent was taught among
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: anybody who was at or upper class, which you could
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: kind of find anywhere. Although you hear a lot of
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: it in New England, it wasn't necessarily unique to it
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: New England. There was a lot of it in California
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: as well in various other parts of the country. It
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: was more sort of cast bound. So I guess that
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: does maybe make it different from how other accents exist.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: But that's sort of the argument they have here.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: Sure that's fair.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Now, this particular accent has faded for the most pot
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: by golly, but versions of it have actually morphed slightly
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: into some regional pattern. So you can actually hear this
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: like like I mentioned before, like JFK when you hear
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: him speak, and you hear him talk it's very much
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: so like a very particular New England accent. When you
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: hear RFK talk, it is a dimensionless monster sound that
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: like just doesn't make any sense.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: It's a love Craftian sound.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: True, but this New England sound, particularly in Boston, is
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: characterized by dropping the R sound, non rhotic, the broad
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: A or O sound, and it seems to be likely
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: where the bizarre and incorrect pronunciation of Nevada comes from.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: It's Nevada, right.
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Nevada would be.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, yeah, yeah, as I say, I panted for
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: a second. I was like, am I saying this right?
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: No? Yeah, Nevada is correct? Because I've always likend it
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: to him, like it's it's like Atlanta, Georgia. I'm like,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: that's how you're pronouncing those a's and those particular parts
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: of the world that match up. I'm like, do you
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: call it Atlanta? Yeah, Talahassee Florida.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Talahassee sounds awful. I would never want to
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: visit Talahassee, Florida.
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Like all of those cities that they seem they seem
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: perfectly in like places, they seem perfectly comfortable pronouncing with
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: the correct short vowel a sound, but for some reason, Nevada,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: they're just really struggle with using a regular short vowel A.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: That is the most common short vowel a sound that
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: a makes in American English its Nevada.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but but yeah, and and like something that you
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: see in New England too, is like they'll change the
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: A sounds at the end of a word or even
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: in the middle of a word to include the R sound,
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: so like data becomes dater or worder, Like you'll hear
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: worder sometimes a lot of Yeah, like you'll hear either.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: You can hear either of those in that like New
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: England d space, but it also depends right like you
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: hear you might hear that. Like the difference between Boston
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: and like Philadelphia is like there's like enough similarities, but
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: there's also enough of a difference to tell where somebody
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: is at from like specific cities because of those types
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: of like little nuances in there in their accents.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I wonder if they pronounce Atlanta Atlanta Atlanta.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't heard Atlanta, but I do hear.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: I do hear a lot of Like I've been in
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Boston a few times and I in like in Rhode
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Island too, and like there's so few rs.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: Rupert Grant would be so comfortable there.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they it's like non rhotic, except for where they
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: add ours to the end of words that end with
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: an a sound for some reason.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: It's just a constant series of comissions and omissions. It's ridiculous.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: So anyway, there are also some articulations, pronunciations, inflections, and
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: vernacular unique to some parts of the United States, notably
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: the South and the Midwest, which I think have a
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: couple of phrases and pronunciations, don't you know.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the South is really interesting.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Like I can give you three different parts of the
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: South that all have unique Southern accents.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: Like Texas. Yeah, Texas is like they talk real fast.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: You got like that kind of like that Ricky Bobby
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: type of type of feel, and they got that like
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: it's almost like an auction are type of thing, like
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: you people quick moving, they got they got business induced,
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: so they do something like that. And then like Louisiana,
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: And the reason the Louisiana is so different is because
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: it's got a little bit of a French influence too,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: from obviously that big purchase they and so yeah, mo
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: leon a little bit of shrimp toufe Like it's like
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: a little bit of that like where you it's kind
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: of like got a little bit rough and tumble, but
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: like it's got that French influence, which is like critically
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: important creole and stuff like that, Like there's that accent
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: is shaped up for lots of different reasons. And again
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: it's like kind of like those regional influences. But Jolgia,
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: let me tell you, Jelgia is slow.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: It is quiet, It is baking in the sun. It
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: is sitting on a pouch with a mint jewlip, enjoying
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: a fine, fine, warm summer day.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: So and a lot of it is like I mean
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: you as you get into as you get into it,
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: like it's just really like and part of that is
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: like not part of that is a culture too, Like
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: the culture will influence that. Like you know, like Southern
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: like like like Southern farmers are real, like you don't
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: have cattle farmers like you do in in like Texas,
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: where like things are fast moving and things are business oriented,
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: like it's a very different feel whereas like Georgia is
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: like slow. You're working on a farm, you're taking your
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: time you're doing all those things, and it's like a
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: little bit of a different vibe, you know.
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, that was really good. Thank you for doing
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: all the.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, and then you get in to the Florida
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: and you're like, hey man, yeah, what are you doing
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: down there?
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: Like, you know, it's like a little bit like Joe
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: Dirt get fair.
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I can see it.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: So yeah, all right, well yeah, okay, So that's sort
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: of the that's sort of the enumeration, if you will,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: love the various sort of considerations around accents and how
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: they emerge, and I think so close this out thinking
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: are sort of final thoughts here, just as a reminder
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: as we're talking about this. Languages are those behaviors that
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: coordinate other behaviors in groups of people's.
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: That's what it is.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: Sure, a single person by themselves wouldn't need a language.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: It'd be it would be other utterly pointless. Sure, And
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: we are just this extremely gregarious social species. And so
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: the development of language makes a lot of sense for
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: us because of how much togetherness our behavior entails and
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: requires and allows us to actually be successful. If you
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: think about the fact that we have very few natural
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: defense capabilities, we don't have clause. We don't have long,
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: sharp teeth, our mouths don't open very wide, we aren't
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: very fast. We are kind of soft, squishy little things.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: So what we have going for us is that we
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: work together and in extremely effective ways, and that is
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: seems to be sort of the characteristic and the thing
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: that facilitates that working togetherness so well is language.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but because language is shared behaviors among a group,
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: boundaries of the size of the group allow for variations
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: and drift in the language. Sometimes that happens organically, sometimes
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: it's done more intentionally, but there are these shifts and changes,
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: and you can kind of see this in smaller like
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: I don't want to say smaller groups, but like you
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: can kind of see as you start getting away from
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: like the centralized part of the language, that things start
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: to evolve and change and shift and grow. And that's
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: why we have people that say soda and other people
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: that say pop.
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, very much.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: So it is also somewhat interesting to me to consider
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: that these so called elites that wanted to develop their
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: own sort of spin on language, they didn't want to
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: invent or speak a totally different language to distinguish themselves
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: from the lower class, so they wanted to be understood,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: right Like, they wanted to still be able to effectively communicate.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: They just wanted to appear more sophisticated and refined in
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: the way that they communicated, so they chose to use
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: the same words, just with modifications to their tonality. And
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: I just thought that was kind of an interesting point
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: to me, was thinking about like these people who very
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: deliberately made this choice, like we want to sound like
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: we're better than you and to do that, but also
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: you need to still understand us, so or and we
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: want you to understand us. We want to understand you,
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: so we're going to simply alter our sounds a little
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: bit and sound very I mean, I keep on and
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: say like intentional or posh or just deliberate. I don't know,
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: there's a word I'm circling that's in there.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I think the other side too, is like
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: if you ever need like a real life, like a
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: current example of this, because you might be going, you
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: might be listening to this and going like, well, I'm
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: glad we don't do that anymore. I think something that
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: we do that you will find is that folks in
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: power will use dialects to other people, right, they will.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: They will like to like to create like as an
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: other ring process. So one example is the South, Like I,
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: you know, I was kind of joking and making like
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: those Southern accents. But a lot of times what will
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: happen is when people like to portray somebody as stupid
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: in a video, in like a movie or a film
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: or a TV show, they'll often use like an exaggerated
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: Southern accent, which is unfortunate because like this, the Southern
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: people can be incredibly intelligent and wonderful and like just
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: like anybody else.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: Like so, I think that's one thing too.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: But another example too is specifically African American vernacular English,
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: which is colloquially known as people will used to call
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: it a bonyx, which is a terrible thing to call it. Yeah,
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: so AVE is its own dialect, it has its own rules,
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: zone grammar, its own syntax. It's an English dialect. But
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: what people will do is when people are white, people
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: in power and elite situations will hear that, and they
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: will assume that that person does not have the same
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: level of education or intelligence or anything like that, and
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: they will actually, like other groups of people that use aave,
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: So we should probably do a whole episode on aave
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: and how that emerged too, because that is a super
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: interesting piece. But like, that's another way that like current day,
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: modern day where English is used as a class separate
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: rating process like dialects, specifically in the United States at least.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and go back to your point about the use
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: of Southern accents to make people sound stupid, because you're
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: absolutely right that I think that that is something that
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: is very unfairly portrays people who use that accent as
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: in a not very flattering light. It doesn't help you
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: have people who lay that accent on so thick, like
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: John N. Kennedy, Senator John Kennedy, who are legitimately stupid, stupid,
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: stupid people like and he has that accent like a
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: cartoon character, right, and then just opens his mouth and
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: nothing but stupidity comes out of it.
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, he sounds like Foghorn Leghorn, but he's also
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: just the worst.
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah he is.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: Just doesn't do him any favors. It doesn't do that
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: accent any favors.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: It doesn't, so it misrepresents that there are intelligent, I mean,
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: just like anyone else, like you you're someone who doesn't
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: have a particularly regionally unique accent, that doesn't make them smart. Right,
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: You're gonna have the same range of smart and stupid
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: among all of them. But the representation delivered by John
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: Kennedy makes it seem even stupider than it might be.
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: Well, for the same reason that RFK doesn't represent all.
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: Insects, right, exactly, right.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So two hundred years from now, assuming that we
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: make it as long as make it that long as
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: a species, which we are well on our way to
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: not doing that, I am sure. We are sure that
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: our language will look entirely different than it does today,
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: if not nearly unrecognizable or at the very least, like
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: there's gonna be some shifts and changes that make it
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: sound different and like, well, like it's kind of like
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: when you go back and you read books from like
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: the seventeen hundreds and eighteen hundreds, like it feels like
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: it's a different kind of English, And it's just because
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: language evolves over time, and that's what's going to happen
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: in two hundred years.
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: And with how quickly and widespread we're able to interact
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: with each other now via the Internet, I think it's
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: like that those changes are going to accelerate.
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: I think they're going to actually move faster than they
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: have moved in the past.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: I could be wrong, like it could actually homogenize things
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: a bit more, but I personally feel like I've in
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: my lifetime short as it has been, have witnessed a
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: observable shift in how language is used, and that feels
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: like it is faster than it has been in the past,
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: just through simple observation of past like.
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: English accents, dialects of vernacular, et cetera.
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, most definitely.
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: So it is racing.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: Onward and it is doing so unfortunately on the bloated
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: corpse of ads. Okay, we are back. I think we've
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: said what we have to say about the English accents.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: It was interesting to me and part of the reason
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: I wanted to cover this was unpacking the history of
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: this being a classist thing, but that it was also
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: led to a wide variety of spinoffs, pronunciation articulations, full
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: on adoption of words that are only used in those
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: regional places that are kind of like a unique slang
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: to those locations.
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: And actually, one of the clips we heard that was
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: the Liverpool that the Scouse accent. They use a bunch
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: of words to specifically highlight the unique slang of that region.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: So she said something like cab on which means be
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: upset or being a bad mood, right, and something else
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: that what had to do with being hungry. But they
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: use like all these different slang words for it, and
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: like talking about like cockney rhyming slang like loaf forhead. Yeah,
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: and so there's things like that also sort of develop
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: and evolve, and again it's just sort of it just
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: ebbs and flows and changes and evolves and moves and
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  Speaker 1: shifts and grooves and it's whatever.
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  Speaker 4: It's an interesting thing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Language is so cool and it's cool and it's weird
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  Speaker 4: and it's cool.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, all right.
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  Speaker 1: Is there anything else you would like to add or
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  Speaker 1: that I forgot before we wrap up our discussion on
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  Speaker 1: English accents.
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  Speaker 2: Just a recommendation, I think everybody should take time to
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  Speaker 2: learn another language.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's great, I approve.
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  Speaker 3: I like that. I think both of us are doing
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  Speaker 3: that right now, and it's really quite wonderful, it is.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I agree completely. Well, that's great, and that actually
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  Speaker 1: segues nicely because if you are joining us for the
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  Speaker 4: It's just sort of a sidebar.
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  Speaker 1: It's unrelated to our topic, but I think it's very
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you're the best that we adore you to the
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I cannot do this podcast without my team of
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  Speaker 1: excellent accents.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, anytime, anytime. Thanks for putting the notes together. This
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  Speaker 1: Our social media coordinator is Emma Wilson, and the person
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  Speaker 4: Thank you so much for your work.
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  Speaker 3: Justin, thank you for being a cunning linguist.
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  Speaker 4: Very good.
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  Speaker 1: All right, I think that's what we have to say
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  Speaker 1: for our credits. Anything I missed before we transition to recommendations.
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  Speaker 1: Uh no, perfect, Let's recommend some things.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, recommendations.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm gonna recommend this in activity. Now, this is
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  Speaker 2: going to be a pretty particular activity. It's specifically a
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  Speaker 2: place that you do an activity in, and that is
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  Speaker 2: a place called Golden Tone Studios. It's based out of Gainesville, Florida.
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  Speaker 2: My band just went up to record and we have
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  Speaker 2: gone to record with this guy. His name is Rob McGregor.
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  Speaker 2: He runs this place and he's run it for a
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  Speaker 2: very long time. We went to go record with him
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  Speaker 2: and we have since we were kids. He is a
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  Speaker 2: lovely human, very quiet genius at what he does, and
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  Speaker 2: the studio is really cool. He actually built a house
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  Speaker 2: on his property and in his the house is a studio.
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  Speaker 2: So he's got you know, the big room where you
• 53:23
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• 53:24
  Speaker 2: he's got his engineering room and he does a great
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  Speaker 2: job of like he records you live and you can
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  Speaker 2: record like, you know, a full album in like a
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  Speaker 2: day if you are really well rehearsed.
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  Speaker 3: So my band just went to record.
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  Speaker 2: We recorded sixteen songs in two days, sixteen songs in
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  Speaker 2: sixteen hours, so we were able to record an hour
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  Speaker 2: song everything guitars, bass, drums, vocals, and it sounds really nice.
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  Speaker 2: So I recommend everybody going to check him out because
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: he is really wonderful. He's also known for recording bands
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: like Against Me, hot Water Music. He recorded the first
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  Speaker 2: Poison the Well demo before that came out. He's just
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  Speaker 2: like kind of a Florida staple in the punk in
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  Speaker 2: hardcore scene. So he's just a great guy. Great studio.
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  Speaker 2: Some of your favorite records were recorded there, so it's
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  Speaker 2: a good time. So the Golden Stone Studio, that's what.
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  Speaker 4: I would recommend in Gainesville.
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  Speaker 3: You said Gainesville, Florida, Yep, cool, very nice.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm recommending a TV show.
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  Speaker 1: This sort of fits in the vein of TV shows
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  Speaker 1: of people thrust into uncomfortable crime situations and then sort
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: of playing that out, sort of like Weeds, sort of
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: like Ozark. And this is a TV show called Big Mistakes.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: This is starring and created by Dan Levy Eugene Levy's Sun,
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: famous for Shit's Creek. It is a comedy action crime
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  Speaker 1: thriller type thing where Dan and his sister sort of
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: get thrown into increasingly dangerous levels of crime. And it's
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: actually it's particularly funny because he plays a pastor in
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: this and so then he ends up doing a bunch
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: of very illegal and dangerous criminal things and it's kind
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  Speaker 1: of a funny juxtaposition. Yeah, it's only I think maybe
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  Speaker 1: eight ish episodes. It's on Netflix. I think it's a
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  Speaker 1: Netflix original. But I thought it was really really good,
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  Speaker 1: Like it's you know, it's like that kind of show
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  Speaker 1: you enjoy where it's funny but also intense and actiony
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  Speaker 1: and it's doesn't have a dull moment and it's it's
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  Speaker 1: a good time. So if you're into that sort of thing,
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  Speaker 1: Big Mistakes with Dan Levy on Netflix.
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  Speaker 3: Beautiful. I'm going to add it to the list.
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  Speaker 1: Perfect all right, sat Golden Tone Studios. Big mistakes, Those
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  Speaker 1: are recommendations.
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: Check them out. Let us not.
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  Speaker 1: You think we look forward to hearing from you all.
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  Speaker 1: We didn't make those things.
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: We just are. We participated in them, and we recommend
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  Speaker 4: them later.
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: We like them.
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: We like those things.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: So but I think that's what I have to say
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  Speaker 1: about that. So I think we're ready to wrap this
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  Speaker 1: one up. Anything else for you, No, I did it,
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  Speaker 1: covers it. Thank you all for listening. This is Abraham
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: and this is Shane.
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