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Yoreh Deah 137:2-138:6. Wine: Kashering Wine Dishes and Presses From a Non-Jew With Still or Running Water, 12 Months or Heat; Using Them For Water and Whiskey (Sherry Casks) · SHULCHAN ARUCH YOMI: Own the Halacha in 25 minutes a day!

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  OK, good morning. We are continuing with Yayin
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  NASA or it's Clay Yayin. We are in Kuf Lahmed zein, Kuf
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  Lahmed zein, right, Kuf lahmed Zein.
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  We're starting with gimel. OK, I'm just going to elaborate
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  for those who are for the end of the last of SIF bet, just to
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  understand the difference between the Shokanar Hana Rama.
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  When you pour out the wine from the gut and it flows out, let's
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  say into a pipe or whatever it's going through, it's all it's
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  we're assuming the wine is going to be battel bashishim.
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  So that's why according to the Rama it was mutter, but
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  according to the Shokhanarak it wasn't it's still going to be
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  asar because the Shokhanarak holds it's isser Hana and it's
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  asar Bekhalshuhu because the wine that's the blias of Sr.
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  wine and the wine that's flowing out is mean bemino.
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  But when it's in the gut while it's still with the hatsarnim
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  and the zaggim, what are the skins and the pits then those
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  make it mean bisheno mino. And that's why it was OK.
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  It was mutter when it's batal Bashishi.
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  But once it flows out the the drugs, the great, the pits and
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  the and the seeds, that's not floating out with it anymore.
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  OK, let's just if that helps from yesterday, Gimel yain
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  shinitan lekankee goyim Shiloh hakshuru.
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  So we know when you get certain calium, you buy it from the goy.
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  The goy used it. You lent it to him, you bought
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  it from him. We know you have to cosure it
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  that we learned already. But what happens if you put in
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  wine and you didn't cosure it Yekhar ka hirikoto yayin viruvu
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  IM yayin akher meruba shahayalo bikan kanim akheri.
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  So we, we already learned now if you put in your own wine, right
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  again, mean Mamino, this is all in the din of the so it's you
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  put in wine into that bottle from the goy.
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  So he used the wine bottle with his traif wine.
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  You now you put your wine in there.
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  We already learned that wine that you put in there is Aser
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  Bishtia, Aser Bishtia. So now you so now you, you have
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  a bottle of wine that became Aser Bishtia.
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  And now you mix this wine with another bottle of wine of yours.
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  That's your 100% kosher wine. So as long as so then as as long
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  as the here. Let's keep reading.
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  So now there's we want there to be more kosher wine to be Mavato
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  than Isser wine, right? Yeah, because of Tarova, the
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  original wine that you poured in his bottle became user and now
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  you have your kosher wine and they get mixed together in
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  another bottle. Imyesh bhai in Hashemi, Shishim
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  bhai in Harishon Hakalmatter. So then all you need.
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  So then that wine that the wine became all the wine became Aser
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  Bishtia. All right, that's according to
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  the dinner of the Shalkhanar holds its regular stamyenam is
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  Aser Behana. So then you need to have shishim
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  connected that wine because it became Aser Bishtia and but it's
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  only asur bishtia. So it's that's not O Sir the
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  mashu. It's it has to be, but it could
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  be battel bashishim. Then Hakol mutter and it's
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  battel bashishim. You're allowed to drink
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  Olivettafilu bishtia. The quick review of Amaklokas of
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  Khanan with a dovrelak. So here the the tags does not
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  elaborate, but he says according to the postgame of the Ramon,
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  the sack of the Rama, nowadays you only need you could actually
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  you only you need shishim connected the bleus of the Klee.
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  Could they clipa? Could they clipa?
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  And you can actually add both wines together, both bottles of
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  wine, because the whole thing is just isser the first one's as
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  isser Bishtia. And you can combine all of them
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  that needs to be battelbishishim to the Klipa, which generally is
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  and the but the the shock holds. Wait a second.
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  If the first cup was battelbishim, fine, but if the
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  first the first the the bottle of wine that you filled up, if
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  it wasn't battle bashim, then that becomes esser of none
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  because he holds there is Kanan Kati has not system available la
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  Bella unless it's tested Maruba, but just a little Proctor
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  throughout there just to confuse us.
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  So now let's continue the EM Yesh Bhaiyan Hashini Mayan kade
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  Shi or Shi shakhalak in Kanagit clipat hakan kanim.
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  So this is what's very important for us.
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  If you put into we said if you add wine to that cup of the non
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  Jew, it's a problem. The to the bottle of the Nanju
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  becomes a problem because it's ulcer bimashu.
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  But if it's water, then it's not a problem.
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  You only need to have shisha Khalakim connected the Khalifa,
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  which which means it's basically always going to become mutter
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  mutter hako bishtiya. You're allowed to drink
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  everything. The Alpha P Shaloya Mayim behind
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  Harishan, even though there was no water in in the in the
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  original bottle of wine. It doesn't matter as long as you
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  have water here connected shisha of a Kalipa and that is and by
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  Shahramashkeem. So the Shah maybe mahamar, but
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  certainly the Taz and Egress Moshe are 100% Mako.
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  Then it has the same din as water.
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  That's all you need is 6 parts. OK.
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  According to the Sholkhanar, he talks about water.
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  He also talks about Shekhar later on Mafurash.
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  The din of Shisha Khalakim is 100% clear by water and
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  everything else we can say is arguable and unclear.
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  And obviously if you ask the Igoris Moshe, it's clear to him,
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  and the Shah it's clear to him the other way.
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  But the Sholkhanarak does not specify Shahramashkin.
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  OK, now let's go on. Dalad Kalium, Assurium, Mahmad,
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  Yain, Shogoyim, Bain, Mayim. Bain, Shehar Bain,
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  Shahramashkin. So here you have calium.
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  You bought a bottle, a wine bottle from the Nanju.
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  So he says, look, Akhila, you're allowed to put in water.
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  Or you see over here, sheikhar. The Shah doesn't argue, though.
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  You'll keep reading. You're allowed to put in water.
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  You're allowed to put in Sheikhar and other liquids, but
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  just to make sure that the the bottle was clean and rinsed out
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  and dried out from the from the Stamyenum from the goy.
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  But you have a clean dry bottle and it's OK to put these in.
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  So why either? So there's three reasons that
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  are given either because it's Batal Bashishim connected the
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  Kalipa, right? The only problem is if it's
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  isser Hana with wine. So we say wine with wine is it's
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  it doesn't become Tamlif gum after 24 hours.
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  A blias of wine could be a problem for 12 months and with
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  wine, but with other liquids it's not a problem.
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  It's it doesn't have that same Tammi schwach and make it
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  asserbe it's not asser. So either it's batal bashishim
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  kanaga da klipa or even if it's not shishim.
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  So again, the Shah brings down a couple rishoni if you want to
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  see inside. But basically because wine with
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  Shekhar or amayam makes it a Tam liif gum, that's another
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  opinion. So it doesn't even have to be
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  batal bashishim if it's something that's Tam liif gum.
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  But wine with wine, is it Tam Li shwaf?
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  Or if you say it's more than six parts because it has water or
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  other shekhar, it has a din of zaya or kiyua, which basically
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  just means it's doesn't have a din.
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  Once you have 6 parts water or perhaps other mashke and kanaga,
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  the yayin, it no longer has a din of wine that we learned
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  before it completely doesn't. It's not called wine anymore the
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  halacha and it just has a din of a it's a weak flavor.
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  It's it's just you can taste it there, but it's has a den of
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  zaya or kiwa, just like a stun liquid.
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  But no, it doesn't have a den of yine.
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  She doesn't include. Yeah, OK, the chain and you're
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  allowed to use a non Jewish bottle of wine and put in there
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  to salt with and it's also not going to be a problem.
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  OK, it's not going to add any ISR flavor.
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  Why don't you say this about so we're going to so some do the
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  we'll we'll touch upon that when we finish.
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  Hey IM natan yain bakli bakli asser LO natira lataitbo Yain
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  pah maherat alchek shereno. Now once you use the bottle of
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  wine, even though we say maybe you're allowed to drink from it,
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  you can't use that bottle again without cautioning it like
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  that's normal. Normal cautious principle.
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  OK Bob, if you know a clue what did become us, Sir, then you
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  can't rely on a non Jew to tell you that it became cautious even
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  Messiah Lefitumo. So generally the rule is agoy
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  Messiah Lefitumo. We do rely on it for Isuri
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  Derabanan, but not for Isuri der Isa.
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  Our topic is stamyenam. Our topic is an isser of
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  stamyenam and it's an isser derabanan.
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  But because it kazik isura the the case we mentioned was, you
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  know, it became asur and now you want to know if you can trust
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  and that it became mutter. So there it's khazi kisur.
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  We don't allow. OK, let's go on Simon kuf lamer
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  khet DNA. OK, I think this is the last
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  Simon for wine DNA heckscher clay ayyen.
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  Now more stuff about clashing dishes of wine dishes.
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  OK, aleph ghat shell Evan shazafta goy venatan baiyan
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  bishat zivita. So here you have the ghat.
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  The ghat again is where you press the wine, right?
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  Typically it's a pit in the floor or maybe it's a large
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  container. Nowadays, wherever they press
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  the grapes, if it's made out of stone and then they lined it
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  with tar and pitch. Venatan baiyan bishad zivita And
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  then so the shock points out, we're not talking about the wine
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  that's part of the ingredients. That's in the pitch itself.
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  We're talking about you already lined it.
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  It's finished and then you add wine to it because wine that's
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  part of the ingredients when the, when it's like nothing,
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  it's a bottle. It doesn't have a dinner.
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  Yine doesn't give off any flavor.
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  It gets ruined. So we're talking about
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  afterwards. Oh, Shazafta Yisel or the the
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  Jew took the the godchal Evan, and then he lined it Vinatan
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  baiyan. And then you put his kosher wine
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  in there. But vinaga Baha goy, the odd
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  mashke tofiak or the goy touches your wine while it's in there,
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  and it just needs to be wet enough of wine that it's tofiak.
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  Again, this is a shorthand the Shah points out.
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  It's really means tofiak that you can touch it and then make
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  something else wet with your finger that touched it.
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  OK, Srikan, you goof. So the first thing you need to
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  do is you need to dry it. The IME Dharathbu A goy bizvuta.
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  And if the goy pressed on it on while it has this tar on it in
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  in Dailabe nyguf, it's not enough just to dry it and you
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  need to do more than that. El Ayiklof has zephyd.
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  You have to remove the zephyd via Kharka E Nageb and then you
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  dry it. Oh, or you leave IRI below
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  clipa, you leave the zephyd and you do Milo V IRI for three
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  days. Oh, another option, Yeshana
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  yeshana shneem asar khodesh. You let it stay become old.
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  You let it sit around for 12 months.
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  OK, let's keep going with this. If it's just going to really
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  this would be good for a chart and you look it up when you get
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  to the specific case because slight different for each
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  material. The shell ates if you're got,
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  then we're talking about got the are a little different if it's a
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  bottle and if it's Machnisolaquium or not
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  Machnisolaquium. But OK, here we're talking about
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  the got IMSAFTA go EV Natania. So if it's was tar and pitched
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  and then you put wine in there afterwards, I feel a little
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  Darakba even if you didn't press on it.
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  Oh, because it's, it's more absorbent than stone or Shazafta
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  Vidarak Bakarakov or you do that first you do pitch and then you
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  step on it. Oh Shazafta you sell Vanathan by
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  Yain Vinagabagoy or it's the Jew lined it and it's Jewish wine.
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  But then the goy touched it while it's still wet.
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  They had the same malacha, shitsrika, Klipa vinegar.
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  You have to 1st remove the zephit and then dry it and then
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  you can use it oh eeroi below below creepa or you can do 72
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  hours of soaking and then remove and then not have to remove the
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  pitch Eeroi is soaking. Yes, it's a mealy the eeroi
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  Eeroi is always mealy. The eeroi for three days, 24
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  hours switch, 24 hours switch and then 24 hours and spill it
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  up. Shaq just points out all these
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  halacha zahira din la khatila, but if someone put a drink in
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  there by mistake, it's always going to be a mutter because
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  it's batal bashishi. The kleepa of the gut.
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  OK, keep going. The em.
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  Yeesh. The orichal pisht unbein nesser
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  lanesser or belai begadim. Now, if you have your gut and
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  you have some kind of flax or clothing, I don't know, I guess
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  they use it for part of the material.
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  I don't know, part of the gut. It's part of the the makeup of
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  the gut to yeah, to stuff up the holes from leaking ain't dial
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  up. And you goof, it's not enough to
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  do any goof. I'll let Srika Miley the Iroi
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  for sure. You have to do Miley the Iroi.
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  Oh, Hagala or you have to do Hagala and we're going to see
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  Hagala you can do because it's not Machhniso l'quium.
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  So it works enough to do eerie clirichon.
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  We're going to see that again. Michelle.
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  Heres is OK. Now what if the material is
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  ceramic? So then zafta hagoi venatan
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  bhaiyayan mishad zefita. It was pitch lined with pitch.
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  I feel a loader, Akbar. Even if it wasn't crushed upon
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  by the goy OSHA zafta you saw Venatan by.
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  Yeah. Yayin Vinagaba hagoi or the Jew
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  lined it and there was the Jewish kosher wine.
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  But then the goy touched it. But the only way, the way to
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  kosher it is by doing and then you don't have to do.
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  But if the goy pitch put the pitch on it and then he was
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  Darakaba, then you have to remove the Zephit and you have
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  to do Miley, the Irie oh, Hagala.
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  Or you can do Hagala without Klipa.
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  Or just wait 12 months. And again, here we're talking
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  about Charis, right? So you have another option, heat
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  Ola hasika bakishan, you put it back inside the kishan, the
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  furnace achi Rafa zephyr hot enough so that the zephyr the
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  pitch becomes soft. The call zeb is vuta, that's if
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  it's pitched. How about Ineina Zevuta if it's
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  not pitched? Yeh lakhaliksh intrila tashmisha
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  aye de goy srika nigu. So that depends if there's no
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  pitch, if it was first used by the non Jew, right?
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  This is the Harris. It's more absorbent.
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  So then you do have to do niguv ubishal, Harris irui indar aqba
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  and if it's or you could do and if it was dharraf, then you have
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  to do irui. Then Trila Tashmisha idea sells
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  sagi bahadaka. And if it was first used and
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  saturated by a Jew, everything's kosher.
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  So then all you have to do is just rinse it out in he shall
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  aids for Evan Abuhim, he shall Harris srikanigu.
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  But if it's aids for Evan, you can just rinse it.
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  If it's Harris, you have to rinse it and dry it.
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  OK, let's see. Let's do a bit more.
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  We're more Mahmer when it comes to anyways, just different
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  levels of hormones depending on the material.
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  But ghat habenuya Bola venim, oh seed the ghav, the ghavasim
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  perush Homer Yuterlavan mehasid. All right, if the the the press
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  or the the the ghat is it's made-up of these bricks or seed.
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  I don't know. I don't know if modern day
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  plaster is equivalent. But anyways, Dina shell, Keschel
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  Harris, it has the same Dina that we just all mentioned by
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  pottery, ceramic clay. OK, let's do Gilmore Haggat the
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  Caleb Atrikimnigo any time when we're talking about the case of
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  a ghat or it's calium like the transports from the ghat to the
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  barrel. So the halacha Hazal said we
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  have to do what we already explained and we said we need to
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  do even niguv. It doesn't matter for all these
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  cases nitrim the Hagala. So we said all you have to do is
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  Hagala and the Shah Kanaka agrees since it's not a case of.
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  So any of those cases were not and you just have to when you
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  just have to clean it with and then dry it.
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  Certainly you can do Hagala or Iriki Risham and that will
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  certainly work. OK, let's go to the next one.
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  So that's the God that we just mentioned.
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  So. OK, so these items are included.
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  It's a big, big VAT or a big clay that they have the whining
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  where they press into there if they use it for pressing or a
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  big barrel that they that they press in there or the the funnel
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  or whatever. They either pour it into or any
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  of the the the measuring tools or whatever tools or cups they
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  use to pour from what to transfer from the winepress to
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  the barrels. All these things has all gave
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  the same Malaga of a gut that we just went over.
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  OK, it's not a those are these are not they don't get the den
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  of a clean of a magnesium. They get a den of a of a gut.
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  OK, fine. Let's go to the next one.
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  Hey. So this is more cull, less
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  Hummer than a got. This is your beam any any of the
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  the instruments that you use for pressing on it, even if it
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  touches the grapes doesn't matter.
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  It's being pressed from above. It doesn't have the same den as
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  being crushed from below it. It's not doesn't have the same
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  den, doesn't sit in it all the time.
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  So all you have to do is just rinse it off and it's good to
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  go. It's mother.
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  OK, Bob hakalim perish kamin kupas.
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  Mr. Gott kaminsuda shakur him saviva avita hasim mekharia
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  chodeka. Basically, I don't know some of
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  if you're using leaves, basically you're using plants,
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  leaves. I don't know if it was used for
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  a basket or whatever the material was, the shell canvas.
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  And again, things that grow from the ground, you dry them.
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  Vishal Shiva Vishal Gami Bolaimyoter Vitsaric Lyashnam
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  shneem asar Khodesh. So the Loch is it's a little
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  more strict. It's Belaya and the only one of
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  the only ways to be Kashur it so far.
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  Well, basically it's not what we're saying is you can kashur
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  it by waiting 12 months the time or but not melee the Erie.
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  That's what doesn't work. Vaishal Hochmer, Bishal
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  Khannium, any kind of the, the weeds or whatever it goes, come
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  up Bishal chief of a gemi. However, let's say you can't
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  wait a whole year, but imrat salatar on Miyad, there is a way
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  to be mataire immediately. Again, that's with heat.
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  So you do Machilan barotrim, you, you do Hagala, you soak it
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  in boil, you put it in boiling hot water.
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  Oh, holtim be maizeatim or, and I believe that includes Iroi
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  klirisham or you do khalita. You you drop it in, you dunk it
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  in Mays 18. I don't know what's it called?
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  Some kind of olives, Olive oil boiling olive oil has to be
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  boiling. Khalita has to be bubbling,
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  boiling hot. Oh, like, and that's where we're
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  generally they say we usually don't rely on Khalita.
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  It has because we don't know how hot it needs to be, but it needs
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  to be where you see it bubbling. Not just I don't.
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  I don't think simmering counts. Oh but maybe oh Mani khantakhat
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  senor Shamima of Mccallchin. Here's another option.
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  You let it run under a flowing river, Obimayan Shamima of Rd.
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  stream or a spring well where the water is pouring out.
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  I believe a faucet would be the same as long as it's flowing
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  water. Sham is srei shalt vyakhar
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  kahitru. So you let it lie under a
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  flowing water for 12 hours straight.
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  And here we're talking about something that was bolea.
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  It's sonane. So then it works with the flow
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  of water 2412 hours.