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Sugar · Deprogrammed Music Podcast

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It's D Program, the podcast where we try to get you into a
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band. That's right.
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We've done all the work for you. All you have to do is press play
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and listen. And my name is Justin.
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You could say that I'm band curious because I am indeed
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curious about bands. So I like to have my friends in
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to talk about said bands. And in doing so, we'll come up
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with a top ten certificate for you to get into the band as
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well. And today you could, I don't
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know that I necessarily would foul this under easy listening.
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Today we're talking about sugar John.
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And I mean, it makes a lot of sense.
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I believe they announced that they're getting back together
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like late last year or sometime last year.
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We just did Husker do so. Is this why this was on the mind
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And you you prop them up here? Yeah.
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So this is interesting. So this maybe is going to set
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the record for the quickest time between like, putting out the
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idea and then recording. I think it was four days ago
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that Gavin and I decided because we were talking because I had
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messaged him and I was like, hey, here's some bands on the
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list that I just put up you might be interested in.
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So we start going back and forth about bands.
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And I was like, Oh yeah. And Bob Molden and Grant Hart
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solo stuff and he goes, yeah. And Sugar.
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And I was like, yeah, because I had not it not occurred to me
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that the two songs that they've released, the two new songs that
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they put out this year bump them over the the 40 mark.
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Same kind of similar to with Neutral Milk Hotel when which we
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did a a few weeks ago. So I was like, yeah, so I went
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ahead and put together a list and like, you know, we're,
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we've, we've got other stuff going on.
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I know I, I didn't expect, you know, Justin Yuda to pop in as
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quick as you did. But I was like, yeah, I'm just
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gonna, I'm went ahead and did the made the list and I'll just
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pop this in the chat with the three of us.
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We'll get to it, You know, maybe after we do some of the upcoming
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ones once, once people, you know, once it calms down.
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But everyone was like, yeah, OK, I can, we can, we can do this.
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So here we are four days later, recording it.
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I'm gonna, I'm gonna let Gavin talk 'cause he it was
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technically his suggestion. All right, so let's let's move
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that on to to Gavin, talk to me about sugar.
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Oh, it was just, I think it was, it was like just just came out
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of my, you know, fingers when like we were talking about who's
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produced stuff like sugar is, I don't really know sugar that
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well. Like in 92, I was living in San
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Francisco with a bunch of my old friends from high school and
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stuff. And there's a couple guys who
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are who's had been who's Curdue fans that were really into all
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the Bob old stuff and the sugar stuff.
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So when Copper Blue came out, that record was on like heavy
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rotation in the flats that we were all like living in and
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partying in and shit. And so I knew that record really
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well, but I never followed up and didn't hear the other EP and
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the other record. And so and I hadn't listened to
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Copper Blue since probably 92. I mean, there was a couple songs
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on the radio too, on college radio off that record.
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I'd never heard like any of the B sides or any of that stuff.
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And I have heard one of the two new songs because it came up on
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like whatever Instagram or something.
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So this was kind of a discovery for me and something that I was
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like, yeah, this is like I've always wanted to like hear the
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the other sugar stuff and revisit Copper Blue and see how
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I feel about it as an adult. And I just, I've never done
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that. So it was just a like a real
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quick gateway, you know? Quick being the operative yeah,
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we we turn this one around quick.
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So I I guess this leads us back to you, John.
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So when you get proposed sugar, you you, you know, obviously
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we've talked about you being such a huge Bob Moult fan.
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So, so fill in the blanks here, like talk about talk about
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sugar. Yeah, Sugar is one of the great
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underrated bands of the 90s. Like I have kind of a feel like
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kinship with them because they are partly in Athens, GA band.
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They played their first show in in Athens at the 40 Watt in
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1992. The bass player is David Barbie,
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who I have met. He was in a band called Mercy
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Land, which Gavin and I were talking about a punk band in
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Athens in the late 80s, early 90s.
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And he ran the recording studio Chase Park Transductions that my
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band recorded our album at. And the place that I saw
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Shellac, if you remember us talking about that, I mentioned
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I saw Shellac at a, at a recording studio that was David
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Barbie's studio. And so I would like he's, I
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think he's like a, a professor at UGA now or he, he works in,
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at the university in some capacity.
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I should probably look it up. But funny story, if I could, you
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know, take a, take a left turn here for a second.
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So this is probably 2002. So I'm at Best Buy in Athens and
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I'm, I don't remember why. And I'm looking through the CDs
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and I see David Barbie in the CD department and I'm like, OK,
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cool. And he, we kind of know of each
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other. We like close friends or
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anything. He's a little bit older than me,
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but he, I guess he knew me for like we recorded at the studio.
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So he, he goes up to me and he's like, hey, do you think this the
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the Strokes album would be OK for my 10 year old?
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And I'm like, so I have a thing where like when I was a kid, my
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parents like censored music from me and they would like they, I
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grew up in a kind of a religious house and that wasn't allowed to
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listen to certain things with language, etcetera.
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And so I, I was like, here's a chance for me to break that
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cycle and give this kid a chance to listen to something cool.
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In 2002, the strokes first album had just come out.
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So I was like, yes, let your kid listen to the Strokes there.
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I think there might be 1, there's like 1 four letter word
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in there. But I was like, yeah, dude, the
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strokes album is fine. Cut your kid, listen to the
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strokes. It'll be great.
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So that's my, that's my David Barbie experience with sugar.
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And yeah, so like, but when I was in a band like the guitar
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player and I would like bonded over copper Blue, like I, I love
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copper blue. I think it's a fantastic album.
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That's it's has one of the best side A's of all time and it
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never quite got the like it's always been like Sugar's always
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overshadowed by Husker do right. It's always like this, this huge
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lurking shadow above it. But now that when they announced
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that they were getting back together, it was like, oh great,
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like finally they'll get some they'll get their due and so
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excited. They announced some some shows
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they originally they were only playing like some big cities and
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going around and yeah, then they announced a a full tour and
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they're gonna they're gonna come to Atlanta and in October and I
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got tickets to go see him and they're finishing the tour in
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Athens just like they kind of like a full circle place where
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they play their first show. So yeah, super excited.
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Love this band. They're like it's like the
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logical extension of what Husker do.
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Like was becoming like that late, like Warehouse we talked
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about was a little poppier, a little more commercial.
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Sugar just takes that and like, throws on these these really
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poppy melodies and these harmonies and like, it's a very,
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like, pardon the pun, it's very sugary and very radio friendly.
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And I just think they were a great underrated band.
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They broke up probably before their time.
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He went back to doing some solo stuff after this and which he'd
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done to this day. But yeah, it was super excited
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for them to be back. I feel like I saw it's it's like
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92 to 95 or something for for sure, like their their first
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run, something like hardly hardly at all.
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First things first. Sugar is of course, I know, I
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know you said, pardon the pun, but like a it's so accurate.
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Like it's some of these songs are so like saccharine and like
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the best ways possible. Like we talked a lot about on
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the Husker. Do you know, like the the
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parallel to Gin Blossoms. I feel like, I feel like the
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importance of these you do being on these Counting Crows this
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this episode, the the later, later Husker do stuff they were
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talking about is really filling in some blanks.
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I I wasn't for you, John, like in in me knowing you like it.
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Some of the bands that you'd had done prior to this make a lot
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more sense now, like they don't seem as far out of the blue and
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this might be the best of them. Like I cannot explain like
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listening to some of this, like, you hear it and you know it's
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commercial. It's saccharine, sure, but like
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it's as good as, if not better in some respects to like some of
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the the stuff we were talking about, like the Gin Blossoms,
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like that was coming out in 90 between 92 and 95.
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It's at worst just as good. And like I said, in some places
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infinitely better. And I just blown away that that
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not only did I not know all that much about Husker, do you know
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there, but they were always a peripheral, peripheral band for
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me. Like it was kind of like
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something that I was aware of just never never got into sugar
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was none of that. And it shouldn't have been like
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the IT it should not have taken to 2026 for me to find sugar
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there. There's nothing about their
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sound that says that says Justin wouldn't like this.
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You know what I mean? Like I I can't believe that it
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it took the show to force this band on me.
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It it is beyond me. Like they may not, they may not
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be like my favorite that we've ever done, but like it is right
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up with right up there is probably part possibly one of
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the best. So like, and I don't say that
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lightly. I've done a lot of fucking
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shows. I don't say that lightly.
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So that said, like it is there's not a lot here.
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It's it's, it's, it just crossed the 40 threshold, 41.
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So it's like 2 albums, a couple of EPS and some strays.
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So basically we're going to flop the order to the way we went.
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So Gavin, talk to me. You get basically half right?
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Like you get half of the Discog. What are you what are you
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looking at when you're going to cut stuff out?
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Or is it just this is what's in? I mean, it was cool that you
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nailed your 20, right? I came pretty close to that.
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I'm leaning into the sugar on this.
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So I'm picking the, well, what I feel like has the most melodic
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qualities, the most poppy stuff, the most hooky stuff.
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That's what I want from sugar. It was easy, was fast.
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I got my 20 and yeah, so that's what that's what I'm leaning
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into. I mean, sometimes it just be
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that easy again, John, this one like you were done after all of
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us, which is a rarity. But again, we're talking about
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four days, so. Wagon.
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That doesn't really say that you had a had a tough time, but is
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there something different when you were doing this one?
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My my kids were off school yesterday.
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It was a teacher work day, so I blame that.
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But yeah, no, pretty pretty easy.
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I mean, I probably had 10 or 12 songs right off the bat that I
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was like, Oh yeah, these are these are absolutely on.
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And I didn't, you know, I didn't mention it at the beginning, but
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their discography is kind of strange because you got these
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two full lengths that kind of their they make they make sense
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together, right. Copper Blue file and reads
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listening. They're very similar.
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They they're very poppy, very melodic, but then you have this
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EP Beaster that I think is is one of the best EPS of all time
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and we can talk about that after the fact.
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Whatever. I love the EP format and I'm,
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I'm always running through my head like, what are the best EPS
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of all time? And Beaster I think is right up
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there as, as one of the best cause it's, they stretch out
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their songs. That's a little more angular and
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you're talking about like 05 and six minute songs.
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And it's kind of this Aeos and it as opposed to like what they,
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what they put on the full lengths.
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It's, it's very interesting to see, Oh, like they had these
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songs, but they chose to just put them on this EP.
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So you have like, it'll be interesting to see like what how
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much, how many of those songs get pulled out versus what you
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know what Gavin was talking about when he was looking for
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the melodic stuff, looking for the poppy stuff.
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Don't sleep on Bistro man Like it.
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It's one of those things that like it, it rewards like one of
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those deep dive. It's something that like yes,
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like the full lengths are very immediate.
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Some of the radio singles. You you, you get what you get
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right out of it. But but bistro's a grower, man
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like it. That's something you can listen
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to and like, really dig into. Yes, so as Gavin alluded to, I
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hit 20 on my first pass and I kind of wish I would have
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grabbed a couple extra just show just so I could have had a
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second round, a second go. Kind of to your point, John,
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with, with some of the songs that didn't make my first pass
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because like I was, I mean, even just with Copper Blue, I was
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listening to that before we went on and I was like, there's a
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couple that should have made my list that didn't make my list.
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And it wasn't because I didn't have room.
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It was just because I didn't want to overthink the room.
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So like, you know, there's going to be some that I probably
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should have have and don't because I didn't, I didn't pull
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enough through to, to get a true second go around.
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And I wish I would have been able to 'cause I really enjoyed
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Beaster. I really wish I could have had
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it that second go around to see if there was a little bit more
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that I could have pulled from it.
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But I mean, I, I, you know, I kind of went with the immediacy
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again, like anytime I felt it's funny because this happens now
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that you guys are doing a lot more episodes with each other.
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Like you guys pointed out a couple episodes.
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You guys always have loved the same bands for very different
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reasons. And like the the the songs that,
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and now I'm hearing it like as I'm listening to the bands or so
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like I'll hear a song, I'll go, this strikes me as Gavin and
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then or this strikes me as John. I think there's a lot more
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crossover with this band of what that's going to be, but we'll
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see. I guess based on all that John
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Math or I'm sorry, we're going Gavin first.
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I, I have them swapped around. So my apologies.
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Based on all that, Gavin, everything we've said, it's only
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41 songs. How many do you think we get
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through unanimously for the final save?
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This is the episode where John and I don't match one song.
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I'm going to have 20 and he's going to have the opposite 20.
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It's going to be like totally amazing.
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I don't know, like this is like just in one of those episodes
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where we could we could get 10 no problem.
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You know what I mean? And it's another episode where,
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you know, I do feel like John and I our our, our differences
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will maybe be on display. So I'm going to say we're going
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to get 8. I like that.
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I like that a lot. What do you think, John?
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The math bears out. It does.
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But then like, like Gavin said, we have this reputation where if
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if people haven't listened to our episodes before, we, we come
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at these things very differently.
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So yeah, like I, I was thinking about this and I originally
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thought 8, but I'm going to adjust for that discrepancy.
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I'm going to pull it down to 6. OK, all right, 2 numbers.
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I was, I was just I'll split the difference.
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I'll take the seven. I don't want to overthink the
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room that everything about this band screams.
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Don't overthink the room to me. And I feel like I can toss a
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stone and and pick a good Sugar song to be our number 10 if if
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it comes down to it. All right, so we are going to
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take a quick pause and on the other side, we are going to play
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the game. It's the program, Jack.
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And with that, the name of the game is deprogrammed.
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The three of us have combed through the Sugar discography
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and plucked out 20 songs that are now going to mash together
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in an attempt to create a top 10 starter kit for you, in case you
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have never given Sugar the time of day.
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And I feel really good about this one.
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Number one, it's the thing #2 it's the thing I like to do #3 I
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got this answer a lot. So I feel like one of you is
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going to have it. I feel like it's got a good
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chance of of both of you having it.
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The ACT we act. Yeah.
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Yes. Yeah, right.
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Like kind of happen. First song.
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Did I mention that side a of of Copper Blue is one of the best
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album sides of all time? Yeah, yeah.
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I had somebody say to me, when they answered, they said that
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when they listen to this song, they feel like they're inside of
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the song, which I thought was an interesting thing, way to put
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it. Like, I get that.
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When I was listening to it earlier today the second time,
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like that's exactly what I thought.
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I was like, it feels like I'm part of it, which which was
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really cool. All right, not a shocker act we
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act in, Gavin. Well, I'm going to try to run
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the table then. You took the first one.
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I'll take the second song on Copper Blue.
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Do you guys have a good idea? Sure do.
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Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.
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Love that song. Yeah, yeah, yeah, really.
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And it's it's neat because like it's, it's different, but the
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same, like it, I don't even know how to, how to put it into words
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like like, I immediately was like Pixies.
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This is kind of cool. Yeah, that's a good call.
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I, I, I, I hadn't thought of that before.
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And Justin. And in this in this round of
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listening to Sugar, I heard quite a few songs that had a
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Pixie element to them, I thought.
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Yeah, and and the Pixies ripped off.
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Who's Purdue? So it's full circle.
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I had a friend that used to get drunk and sing a good idea
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really loud and I'm still picking it Despite that.
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So that's how good a song. All right, boom.
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Just like that. Two down, John.
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All right, I could keep going on that, but I feel like I want to
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do a barometer check here and do a song from Beaster.
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How about tilted? Yeah.
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No. OK, OK, I.
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Got tilted? I'll take that too, all right.
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I was surprised. If you listen at the end, that's
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the preacher speaking I believe is Bob Tilton, which aided the
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name of the song I believe. Yeah, they had some long songs,
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you know, you're, you're talking about that.
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I was surprised at some of the for 5 1/2 minutes, you know?
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The solo The solo on Tilted is amazing.
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Yeah, and the bass player is really good.
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He's really good bass player. I'm this doesn't feel like a
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risk, but it I'll tell you I was telling you guys like some songs
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feel more Gavin than John. And based on what Gavin said, I
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feel like if I'm, if I don't get both of you, I'm, I feel like
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I'm more likely to get Gavin. How about if I can't change your
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mind? Oh yeah.
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Yep, one of the radio hits, yeah.
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It's funny because, well, I'll say that.
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Oh, yeah, yeah. I love that song that was on the
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radio in 92. And like that song I used to.
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I still love it every time I hear it.
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I love it, it, it, it never. It's like a Beach Boys song or
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something, you know? It like never loses its gloss
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for me. It's, you know, I keep coming
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back to the word saccharine and that was the first time that
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word came to mind was like that specifically.
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I was like, it's, it's just my mouth is like covered in sugar
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but like I'm so geeked about it so.
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Yeah, yeah. All right, boom.
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We'll take that and Gavin. I'm going to go 2 years forward
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to 94 file under easy listening. I took believe what you're
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saying. No.
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Yes, another radio hit. Ah, I didn't know.
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The Internet agrees with you. I got that one a couple times.
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All right, job. All right, man, where to go?
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I'm gonna go. Gavin, you mentioned Beach Boys,
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and I'm gonna go with one that was heavily influenced by Pet.
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Sounds about Hoover Dam. Yep, I got it.
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Yeah, that's a really cool song. That is the answer we got like
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the most tied with one other one.
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We'll we'll possibly cross that one when we get there.
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Hoover Dam's more complex like that's, you know, Beach Boys
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could be really complex, too. It's not.
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Oh yeah. You know that that song has some
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depth to it. It's it's it's yeah, it's got a
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lot going on. Boom and.
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Boom, let me shift shift us around.
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We're doing a OK here fellas. All right, let me stay on the
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ones I'm ones that got a reasonable about of answers to.
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How about stay on file under easy listing?
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How about G Angel? Yeah.
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Yes. Nice, that's a cool song, hey.
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I feel all right about that G Angel.
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Love, love that riff. Yeah.
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I could say that about a lot of stuff, like there's so much fun
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riffage that I was just like, Oh my God.
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And there's there's some songs that just gave me this immediate
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feeling of God, I need that. And you know, I was mentioning
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like there's a there are a lot of just straight up Justin songs
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here and we'll probably cross them as we get to them.
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But a lot of great refuge with this band.
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All right, Gavin. I'm going to keep knocking out
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Copper Blue. Let's try the third song.
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Do you guys have changes? I sure do.
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Yes. Here we go, get that cued.
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What are we at six? Yep.
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I love playing these clips just to like remember which songs are
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which. I know you guys can't hear it
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unfortunately, but all. Right, I know how the song goes.
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Yeah, I know, John. All right, I'm gonna go with one
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of the new ones. How about Long live Love?
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Yeah, I got it. Yes.
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Nice. Oh boy.
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You know, sometimes I wish I would look at the, the, the
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dates just so I, I know. But I, you know, I would have
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brought it anyway because I just liked the song.
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But knowing that it is one of the new ones kind of does make
26:51
me feel better about taking it. Yeah, it's cool, It's cool.
26:55
It's really good. They have not lost a step at
27:00
all. No, no, not at all.
27:03
All right, look at that right at my 7:00.
27:08
There's still like some big ones out there I feel.
27:15
Let me go back to this bit here. Dang.
27:27
How about? A lot of these are all one
27:31
answer, so how about what you want it to be?
27:43
Yes. No.
27:45
OK, we'll take it to there. Boom.
27:53
And I forgot to mark off along with love, didn't I?
28:01
Or did I? Yes, I did forget.
28:03
OK, boom and boom. All right, Gavin.
28:08
OK, I'm going to. I'm going to try to bid 1 here.
28:14
Oh, I normally would not. I wouldn't take a cover really.
28:22
But when I I was in New Orleans in 1989 in record store and I
28:29
bought a copy of The Idiot, the Iggy Pop album from 77 that he
28:35
did with Bowie in Berlin. And I even think I knew a lot
28:43
about it. I just, the cover was just so
28:46
crazy. And I just like that record just
28:49
like holy, I don't know, like eclipsed me like in this really
28:57
crazy way with its shadow. It's like a it's a really
29:02
powerful, amazing record and Sugar covers Dum Dum Boys off
29:08
that record and they do a pretty fucking good job.
29:10
John, is it the bass player that's singing?
29:12
If Bob Mold isn't singing, Yes, Yeah.
29:15
He he belts it out good. So just like I, I just had to
29:20
like, had to give up the respect for Dum Dum Boys.
29:24
Live in Chicago in 92. Very cool, but no, I don't have
29:28
it. Yeah.
29:30
No, I don't have that one. Well, success.
29:37
First one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
29:39
We got, we got 7 on the list before the first one in the bin.
29:42
Yeah, yeah. John.
29:46
All right, I'm gonna go back to Copper Blue.
29:49
This one's a little more. It's a little more like the
29:54
Biester stuff. It's a little more.
29:56
It's a little screamier, a little heavier.
29:59
It's about the AIDS epidemic and like losing a partner.
30:04
You know, Bob Mold is is gay. He he I don't think he was out
30:09
at the time, but came out later. But this is a real personal song
30:13
and it's not immediate, But the more you listen to it, I think
30:18
the more it grabs you about the Slim I.
30:22
Feel. Bad, I didn't take it.
30:23
No, me neither. But I didn't know that song.
30:27
And it is funny because that is like a beast or song.
30:30
Yeah, yeah. That's cool though.
30:32
That's cool. I wanted to point out because
30:36
this is one of the answers that I got the most too.
30:40
So when it came up again, I just I hit 20.
30:44
So I I feel like to your point, John, if I would have been able
30:47
to listen to it like one or two more times, I probably would
30:50
have had it on my list. But tis unfortunate.
30:55
All right, well, I mean, I've we've got so much room to play
31:01
with. I I actually did get this as an
31:04
as an answer, so I don't feel weird for having it, but I this
31:07
definitely screamed Justin at me.
31:09
How about grainy cool? No.
31:15
No close, but had to cut something.
31:18
OK, in the bin. All right, Gavin.
31:24
I'm going to beat John to the closer.
31:26
The closing track off file under evening, easy listening.
31:30
I took exploded makeup. So fucking good, no?
31:38
Absolutely one of my favorite songs of all time.
31:42
A good one. For sure wanted there's like a
31:45
run there that I was like I could take all of these, but I
31:52
took Granny Cool instead, John. All right, I'm going to go with
32:02
I've been holding this one back. It may be their Best Song.
32:07
And every time it comes on the radio, I'm like, God, this is
32:11
just a perfect melody. It's a perfect song.
32:13
It's up there. You know, when you think of like
32:15
the best songs of the 90s thing of like people talk about, you
32:19
know, Everlong and some of the Nirvana stuff and these like
32:24
classic songs and this one is, is right up there.
32:29
It's my favorite Sugar song about helpless.
32:32
Yeah, yeah, 12. 3. Great song, yeah.
32:39
I it's funny you mentioned it that way, because I think when
32:42
that song came on was when I had that thought of like, how are
32:47
these guys not bigger? Like, I don't understand.
32:51
I didn't realize it was a radio song, but man, so good.
33:02
Yeah. Reminded me of, I think
33:05
Collective Soul. Is that the one turn your hair
33:08
and a baby? Just spit me out.
33:14
I mean they're way better than them.
33:15
I just mean like sound wise, it just it it lived parallel.
33:21
So it's like, well, if that song could be popular, how is if this
33:26
better song isn't more popular? That doesn't make any sense to
33:29
me. All right, so helpless is in
33:35
background to me, man. I'm running down on the ones
33:41
that other people have answered. How about come around off a
33:48
beater? Yes.
33:51
Hey, I'll take a two there. All right, Gavin.
34:00
I took AB side from 94. I took frustration.
34:06
No. No.
34:16
All right, John. Right.
34:20
How about back to Bistro? How about Judas Cradle?
34:25
No. No.
34:28
OK, that one did get an answer though.
34:31
Somebody did say that. We got to get something from
34:34
that record on this list. Yeah, I need it.
34:37
I'll, I'll give that EP another listen.
34:39
That was a heavy one. Yeah.
34:43
All right, let me see what I got left here. 12345678 All right,
34:52
so we got like maybe two more rounds in US.
34:55
I'm going to go with the last one that somebody else answered
34:58
when I asked the question. How about can't help you
35:01
anymore? No.
35:06
That was #21. Yeah, that was the last cut, A
35:10
late cut all. Right.
35:12
All right, I'll cop that. All right, Gavin.
35:18
Another B side from 94 I took in the eyes of my friends.
35:22
Yeah. No.
35:27
Grab a two there. These twos are going to be
35:31
fighting for their life because there's only, as it stands,
35:35
there's only a spot for one of them.
35:39
All right, John all. Right.
35:42
This was a radio song too. Your favorite thing?
35:45
Yes, yeah. Hey, hey, hey.
35:50
All right. You're too gunshot.
35:53
I'm surprised that that was a radio song that nobody answered.
35:58
Usually I sniff them out because I get an answer that says it.
36:04
I just like the song, like it just made the list because it's
36:07
good. All right, your favorite thing.
36:17
And just like that, there will be no final say and all these
36:21
twos are like at war with each other and they're still we're
36:25
good. We will do one more round and
36:27
dump out. How about and you tell me?
36:38
No. No.
36:41
OK, Gavin. I took the closer off Copper
36:47
Blue Man on the moon. Yeah.
36:52
Yes, we did. Wow.
36:56
Wow. Oh, and we still got some to go,
37:00
eh? Yeah, I still got 5 left.
37:05
Yeah, no, this when this hit out like I was talking about Justin
37:11
songs like this intro is like, Oh my God, that is so me.
37:17
Great song. All right.
37:20
And again, nobody answered that, so I thought maybe I was on the
37:23
wrong track with it, so I was holding on to it.
37:27
All right, John. OK I got one more from Bistro.
37:37
I got to try it. JC Auto.
37:41
No. Unfortunately no.
37:44
But judging by the audience, Gavin and I are super wrong
37:48
because this was the other one that got the most the most.
37:53
Good job audience. Yeah, it tied with with Hoover
37:59
Dam. They both got the most.
38:01
So. All right, I mean, we still have
38:06
a shot here. What do I got left 123.
38:12
I'll start at the top. Needle on E, Yeah.
38:15
Or needle hits E rather. No.
38:19
OK. That was a really cool.
38:21
Song These twos really don't matter, but at least they aren't
38:25
in the bin. All right, How about gift?
38:30
No. Yes.
38:32
Hey, all right, I already did that one.
38:37
And then last but not least, going home.
38:42
Gone. No.
38:45
All right, so we landed on 10 unanimous.
38:51
Let me shift this around and we will clear out John.
38:56
Oh I want to tilt it so bad. I've got 3 left.
39:02
Fortune teller, Man on the moon, we.
39:08
Already got that? Yeah.
39:11
Oh, fair enough. And the other new one?
39:14
House of Dead memories. Very good.
39:16
But no, Yeah, yeah. All right.
39:21
What do you got left, Gavin? I took slick off copper blue.
39:26
I took try again, which is the change the changes B side and
39:32
then in a perfect illustration of how John and I play this
39:35
game, I took the one song off Beaster I don't think he had.
39:40
I took the last song walking away, which is the really weird
39:45
range ass song off Beaster, which I love.
39:49
Yeah. Yeah, that's why I didn't take
39:51
it, but I should have known that.
39:55
Yeah. That Kevin would have had it.
39:57
Yeah. All right.
39:58
I mean, there is a conversation to be had, but let me run down
40:02
these 10 because we we hit 10 and it feels like we shouldn't
40:06
mess with that. But here's what we got.
40:09
The ACT we act a good idea. Hoover Dam.
40:11
If I can't change your mind changes G Angel Long live love.
40:15
Helpless man on the moon. And your favorite thing rounds
40:18
out our ten. I mean, I rarely put this up.
40:25
Especially when when we land, I don't know if we've ever
40:28
actually landed on exactly 10. It's usually one or two over.
40:32
So we we could, but then you got to lose something.
40:37
I don't know. I don't think I want to fuck
40:38
with that. I don't.
40:40
I don't want to pick one of these songs.
40:42
I would say either the ACT we act or a good idea.
40:46
Get rid of one of those and put tilted in Oh.
40:51
I'm fine with that. I mean, I'm not like I feel
40:54
Justin. I feel like for me, like John's
40:57
a big fan. Did you have Tilted 2 Justin?
41:01
Yes, I did, yeah. Yeah, like it.
41:04
You know, when someone's passionate about it, I want to
41:07
defer to them because I'm not so passionate about this.
41:10
And we have a shit ton off Copper Blue.
41:13
We do. Was it 6?
41:16
Yeah, or more we have we have two off violent or easy
41:20
listening. We have one of the new songs and
41:23
and AB side. I think so yeah.
41:25
So 6 right, Yeah. So if we could trade out one of
41:31
the copper blue songs for tilted so we could represent beaster.
41:36
I, I, I think that's a good move, but I don't, I'm not
41:41
making the rules, you know? Yeah, Jon has posited the ACT.
41:49
We act or a good idea. I know you loved a good idea.
41:55
Yeah. I mean, I think I switched the.
41:57
I don't know. I don't know though, but go
41:59
ahead. No, I was going to ask you like
42:01
how do you, do you have a, a feeling on one of those two or
42:04
is would it be a different one in your mind?
42:07
No, I, I think one of those is fine and they're both really
42:10
great. I think a good idea is more
42:13
hooky, but where where he's just like chanting that over and
42:17
over, which is really powerful when you first hear it.
42:20
I'm not sure if I was like listening to it over and over.
42:23
If I get sick of that, I think the Aquiac is a more complex
42:27
song. I'll defer to you guys on this.
42:31
Do you? Have a.
42:32
Strong. So we actually took, we took
42:34
seven from Copper Blue actually including all of side A, Yeah.
42:42
Which? Is wild.
42:43
Do you have a? Well, it isn't.
42:45
It's just it's that good. I know.
42:47
Hey, I said it's one of the greatest album sides of all
42:49
time. I'm, like, complaining.
42:50
Yeah. Yeah, I think we have.
42:55
So we have what? And I'm going to steal your
43:00
reason here. Justin, wait.
43:02
We have. What a good idea does.
43:04
We have changes. We have helpless.
43:06
We have. If I can't change your mind, we
43:07
have your favorite thing. So the ACT we act, I think being
43:13
the track 1, maybe that should stay and a good idea goes into
43:20
the books with an asterisk as being a unanimous one that
43:23
doesn't make the list of the rare ones.
43:26
And I think we throw it tilted on there.
43:27
I'm. For it, man.
43:30
Yeah, that sounds true. Yeah.
43:32
I thought we got AB side on there, but we didn't.
43:34
We didn't get idiot right? Dude did this.
43:36
This band may win the award for most B sides or only two
43:41
records. Do you know what I mean?
43:43
I know that oh, they had a whole B sides record that yeah, it's
43:46
it's the IT was ACD on Rhino and it the there was a limited
43:51
edition that I had. If you got it when it came out,
43:53
it came with a bonus live CD, which was incredible.
43:56
I think it might even be, I don't know if that is on
43:59
Spotify. So I think they have a couple of
44:00
live things on Spotify. They're definitely worth
44:03
checking out. No, nobody picked a beer
44:04
commercial, by the way, which was something I was That's a.
44:08
Cover though, right? What?
44:10
It's a cover, right? Is it?
44:13
I think so, yeah. The writer, like I clicked on
44:17
the, on, on, on, on Discogs, on the writer, but I couldn't
44:21
really figure out who the actual band was.
44:24
It didn't. And I thought it may have been
44:26
your. I thought it may have been Mercy
44:28
land or something. No.
44:32
No, but yeah, they put out an album called Besides BESIDEES
44:38
that has all like a bunch of live stuff and all the B sides
44:42
and it's great. So just for the math before we
44:46
run this down, 32 out of 41 songs, fellas.
44:51
Wow. We we, we covered the game and
44:54
got 10 through unanimously. So that's like that's just wild.
44:59
And for the first time ever, not cutting a unanimous, we traded
45:04
out a unanimous for for something else.
45:06
So. And I think we psyched ourselves
45:10
out with like our our jinx, you know me and jinx, right, Because
45:15
all the numbers were in our favor.
45:17
I mean, you had just the perfect threshold number of songs,
45:23
right? Where you're basically you get
45:25
to choose 50% and you have a three person panel.
45:29
I mean, just the logic of it is like, even if we were just
45:32
fucking, we had a blindfold on and we're throwing darts, you
45:35
know, we'd fucking. But yeah.
45:37
So yeah, I think we psyched ourselves out on that.
45:40
Possibly, if you would like to hear more about that, I'll tell
45:44
you this patreon.com/oh. Hi, Justin.
45:48
I can I can pitch my own pet pitch on, I'm sure.
45:52
But before we do that, let me run this down.
45:54
We've got the ACT we act. Oh, wait.
45:57
Shit. No, Yeah, we need to run it
45:58
down. And then we got to pick a number
46:00
one. I know what I'm doing.
46:01
The ACT we act. Hoover Dam.
46:03
If I can't change your mind changes G Angel.
46:05
Long live love. Helpless man on the moon.
46:07
Your favorite thing and tilted rounds out our ten.
46:11
Gavin, when I when I run those down.
46:14
Is there one that jumps out of you as the number one?
46:17
Well, OK, I don't think this is going to make it, but I would
46:23
choose if I can't change your mind.
46:25
I think it's like, I think it's, well, let me just say it's my
46:29
favorite song by them. But I do feel like it's a bit of
46:36
a Trojan horse. Like I don't really think that
46:41
anything. This is my opinion.
46:43
I don't feel like any of their other songs come close to that
46:46
level of pop. So I think if somebody was like,
46:51
Oh my God, this is great, I'm going to buy, you know, the
46:55
Sugar records. It's like they're in for a rude
46:57
awakening. There's some fucking most of
46:59
Sugar stuff is not like that, you know?
47:02
So but yeah, but that would be my choice.
47:05
But I am not at all. I don't really have a strong
47:11
feeling to fight for that. What?
47:13
Do you think, John? Oh, for me it's helpless.
47:18
Talked about that being their Best Song, my favorite song by
47:22
them. I think that one stands out for
47:24
me. Yeah, that's a great song.
47:27
I love that song. I'd be fine with that.
47:29
What? What do you think, Justin?
47:31
Man, I don't know, like I'm, I mean, I'm on board with the,
47:35
the, the sugary saccharine if I can't change your mind, but I, I
47:39
fully understand your point. I'm on board with like the ACT
47:43
we act, it does the thing like you immediately know what, what,
47:46
what's going down. I, I'm for any of these like I'm
47:53
not trying to cop out like I don't think we can go wrong
47:57
here. And so like if, if you guys are
48:00
on board with helpless, I'm on board with helpless so.
48:04
What do you what do you think the jerks on the Best of the
48:07
Year show are going to think about?
48:09
I mean, it's a long shot. I feel like it's got a long
48:12
shot. Guys were unpredictable.
48:17
But it's true, it's very true. So let's just do it.
48:20
Let's lock it in. Helpless it is.
48:23
And then I mean, again, when I heard it, I was like, how is
48:27
this not band not bigger? I heard that song specifically
48:30
so. So Helpless is going to be our
48:32
number one to act the ACT Hoover Dam, If I can't change your mind
48:35
changes G Angel. Long live love, man on the moon.
48:39
Your favorite thing and tilted rounds out R10.
48:43
And with that, let's let helpless get a moment in the
48:46
sun. All right, we have done it.
48:57
We have poured some sugar in your tank or in your drink or
49:03
yeah, I, I don't think we're pouring sugar in your drink
49:05
unless you ask for it and you're drinking lemonade.
49:08
I don't know, man. Something about sugar.
49:10
It's super sweet. It may hurt your teeth, but it
49:13
is going to be music to your ears.
49:15
How about that? We've done it.
49:17
We've turned you on to sugar. And look, man, maybe you
49:21
disagree with our choices and would like to talk about it.
49:25
Hop on in on the Legion of Stupid Discord, Jump to the
49:28
Deprogram channel. Let's talk about it.
49:30
It's, it's a great place for us to converse and put out ideas
49:33
about stuff that we're talking about coming up on the show and
49:36
whatnot. It's a great place for you to
49:38
get in and on board with that. There's also like a place for
49:42
you to sign up the program panelists in that same place if
49:45
you don't want to ask for the link but would like to get to
49:49
the Discord anyway. patreon.com/oh Hi Justin, a
49:53
dollar a month gets you in the door.
49:54
It does get you an invite to the Discord.
49:57
It comes with the dollar. I mean, you know, again, you can
50:00
just ask for the link if that's what you would prefer to do.
50:03
But a dollar gets you the automatic invite.
50:06
It gets you the after a fact conversation we're about to
50:08
have. It gets you deprogrammed before
50:09
the rest of the world and various things that I'm
50:14
hopefully in hopefully working on in the near future.
50:18
So boom, that's the Patreon. If you kick up to the $5 level,
50:22
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50:25
There's some channels that you'll have access to in the
50:28
Discord. We mentioned the Discord.
50:30
That's a great place to get involved with the show, sign up
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50:40
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50:43
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50:46
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50:49
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50:51
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50:56
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50:57
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51:09
So if you're listening on YouTube, please leave a comment.
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51:36
And with that, Sugar Thurman love people.
51:39
We'll see you next week. Goodbye.