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'Who Killed the Montreal Expos?' doc Director Jean-François Poisson · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Hasan joining us right now on foul Territory. He's the
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  Speaker 1: writer and director of Who Killed the Montreal expos It's
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  Speaker 1: now available on Netflix. Wow, good timing there to put
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  Speaker 1: this out. I know it's twenty years so that's part
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  Speaker 1: of it. But baseball is kind of a big deal
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  Speaker 1: in Canada right now.
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  Speaker 2: How you doing. I'm good. And yesterday I think is amazing.
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't have think of it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, incredible, and we all watched it. I watched it
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  Speaker 1: late last night. I really enjoyed it. It's a great
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  Speaker 1: ninety minute. We have plenty of questions. I'm actually going
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  Speaker 1: to start this way because it was turbulent times. I
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  Speaker 1: want to bring you into this. The Minnesota Twins went
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  Speaker 1: through all kinds of crap during your time period. It
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  Speaker 1: was the same stuff with retraction, right contraction or contraction, contraction, contraction, retraction.
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  Speaker 1: But give him your perspective here because this will help
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  Speaker 1: for the conversation.
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  Speaker 3: So Jean called. I watched this and having been on
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  Speaker 3: the Twins at the same time, it was a kind
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  Speaker 3: of the same thing with the Twins. We need a
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  Speaker 3: new stadium. We can't survive where we are. Oh and
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  Speaker 3: then Major League Baseball came up with this excuse my language,
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  Speaker 3: freaking brilliant idea, let's just get rid of two teams,
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  Speaker 3: and one of them was the Exposed and one of
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  Speaker 3: them was supposed to be the Twins. So every day,
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  Speaker 3: I think it was the two thousand and one offseason,
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  Speaker 3: we had about three times a week we had to
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  Speaker 3: get on the phone with the Players Association and this
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  Speaker 3: and that and try to explain to us why they
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  Speaker 3: were trying to get rid of these two teams. For note,
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  Speaker 3: now everyone wants to add teams. At the time, they
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  Speaker 3: were trying to get rid of teams instead of trying
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  Speaker 3: to make it work. And what I got from this
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  Speaker 3: documentary was it wasn't one person that killed the Expos.
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  Speaker 3: It was a really lot of bad decisions by not
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  Speaker 3: only the people with the exposed, people in Major League Baseball,
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  Speaker 3: the Lauria Sampson, the poor one bore guy Brushaw Bruce
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  Speaker 3: Saw felt so bad for that guy. But this contraction
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  Speaker 3: thing was it was unbelievable that they were even thinking about.
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  Speaker 3: We went on and won the division and save Baseball
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  Speaker 3: Minnesota and the Expos sadly never had that opportunity because
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  Speaker 3: of ninety four, because of ninety four with the strike.
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  Speaker 3: But to me, it's like, man, I felt it just
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  Speaker 3: kind of pulled on my art strings because I went
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  Speaker 3: through this kind of with the expos at the time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's relevant for every cities that lost the
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  Speaker 2: team anywhere in the world. It's just almost the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: I remember this this a contraction thing. I think it was.
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  Speaker 2: It was a way to push cities to just build
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  Speaker 2: new stadium. I think so. So yeah, so Minnesota I
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  Speaker 2: one and Montreal I think did it. So they're gone.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, I want to go to one of the pressing
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  Speaker 1: questions in the dock And obviously the story already exists.
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  Speaker 1: You're just taking us inside of it. But part of
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  Speaker 1: it has to do with figuring out who the number
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  Speaker 1: one villain is, and you present cases for a number
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  Speaker 1: of people within the documentary. Do you have an opinion, like,
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  Speaker 1: do you think that there's one person? David Samson kind
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  Speaker 1: of talks about how it's like it's not like one
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  Speaker 1: moment to find everything. Okay, that's fine, but is there
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  Speaker 1: one person who could have done something differently more than
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  Speaker 1: anyone else in this entire situation that would have changed it,
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  Speaker 1: Like it could be the commissioner could be Bud Selig
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  Speaker 1: because he was part of the ninety four strike. And
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  Speaker 1: if there's no ninety four strike, maybe the experts make
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  Speaker 1: enough money and don't have this problem.
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  Speaker 2: But who do you think? Yeah, one person's hard. But
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  Speaker 2: if I had to pick one person, I would blame
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  Speaker 2: mostly the businessmen in Quebec because they could have done something,
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  Speaker 2: put some money. I know it was hard. I know
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  Speaker 2: the strike was hard, and it was obviously maybe the
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  Speaker 2: beginning of the end, but I don't know there was
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  Speaker 2: maybe a lack of did they really wanted to keep
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  Speaker 2: the team. I'm not sure. I wouldn't blame the Americans.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, of course everybody here blames them, and that's
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  Speaker 2: why I really wanted to have David or Jeffrey Lauria
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  Speaker 2: in the film, because their point of view. Here in
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  Speaker 2: Quebec we never heard it, and it was important for
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  Speaker 2: me to get that and to made people in Quebec
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  Speaker 2: realize that maybe they're wrong, and maybe there's more than
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  Speaker 2: one suspect, but for sure, maybe Kibikwah businessman could have
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  Speaker 2: done something more to keep that team. They weren't ready
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  Speaker 2: to put some money. And if you don't put money
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  Speaker 2: in the team. How do you manage to keep it
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  Speaker 2: here and may make it win?
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  Speaker 1: Jean Fartois. I thought it was really cool to get
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  Speaker 1: David Sampson in there, and he's a media guy. He's
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  Speaker 1: been on our show too, so I give him credit.
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  Speaker 1: And he's even admitting like, hey, I've got a ton
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  Speaker 1: of ego and we listened to his show often too.
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  Speaker 1: My question is how you think he is perceived in this.
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  Speaker 1: There were some stories that came out like, oh, he's
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  Speaker 1: perceived as a villain, and he didn't realize that during
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  Speaker 1: the whole conversation. So I went into this thinking oh, oh,
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  Speaker 1: it's going to be really bad for David. I felt
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  Speaker 1: like it was okay. I felt like he had good
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  Speaker 1: comebacks to what you're talking about, which is, hey, businessmen
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  Speaker 1: of Quebec, you have a piece of this team. Can't
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  Speaker 1: give us money, but you can give millions of dollars
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  Speaker 1: to lawyers. I thought like that kind of line, and
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  Speaker 1: there's more of them in the doc that I encourage
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  Speaker 1: people to check out. I thought it was a good comeback.
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  Speaker 1: So how do you think he was perceived in this?
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  Speaker 1: And what was it like working with him on it?
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  Speaker 2: For me anyway, I knew he was aided in Kibet,
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  Speaker 2: so I didn't know what to expect when I went
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  Speaker 2: in his home. But I knew that he know the drill,
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  Speaker 2: and he he know how to put a good show,
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  Speaker 2: and he knew what we were doing. He knew we
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  Speaker 2: wanted to have every point of view, so he gave
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  Speaker 2: us testimonies with a lot of character. I have to
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  Speaker 2: say he's entertaining and it's a good way to make
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  Speaker 2: your points. It would have been easy to put him
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  Speaker 2: as the villain because he sounds like it. And for
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  Speaker 2: people people in Quebec, we're not used to that kind
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  Speaker 2: of confident tones in business here, it's not the same.
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  Speaker 2: We don't want to fight, we don't want we're more
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  Speaker 2: consensual and hearing David, people get a little bit scratchy.
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  Speaker 2: But but I wanted to be fair for everyone and
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  Speaker 2: for him. And if people think now that he is
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  Speaker 2: the omniplan, it's not because of what he said about
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  Speaker 2: the team. What he say about the team. Maybe it's
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  Speaker 2: because of his tone, the way he say it, and
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  Speaker 2: maybe because some part of it are true. I think
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  Speaker 3: The one guy I feel sorry for. I never feel
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  Speaker 3: sorry for David Sampson because him and him and Jeffrey Lauria,
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  Speaker 3: they sold the team, they got the Marlins, Max MLB
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  Speaker 3: made that and then they won the World Series the
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  Speaker 3: next year, and then he sold the Marlins again and
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  Speaker 3: made another crap little money. So I don't feel sorry
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  Speaker 3: for Yeah, I don't feel sorry for them at all.
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  Speaker 3: But the one guy I do what's Brochhoe? Yeah, Broshue,
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  Speaker 3: He's the one guy I feel sorry for. This guy
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  Speaker 3: really cared about the Expos. He tried everything in his
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  Speaker 3: power to save the Expos, and people just crapped on him.
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  Speaker 3: And now I was happy in your movie You're like
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  Speaker 3: kind of and You're It was like, this is a
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  Speaker 3: redemption spot for him, for all these people to stop
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  Speaker 3: crapping on this poor guy who genuinely cared and wanted
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  Speaker 3: to do the right thing for the Expos. And the
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  Speaker 3: other owners were like, no, he doesn't know what he's doing.
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  Speaker 3: Let's try this other guy, and then that didn't work
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  Speaker 3: clearly and got rid of him. So I'm glad you
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  Speaker 3: made this movie for for for Broshu.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, because because you know, a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: pointed him, even here in Quebec, it's him, it's him.
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  Speaker 2: He took bad decisions. But when I met him, and
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't an easy an easy interview, everyone was treated
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  Speaker 2: the same, David and Claude and the other guys. But
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  Speaker 2: I had at some point some hampthy for him because
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  Speaker 2: I think he really, as you said, wanted to keep
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  Speaker 2: the team here. It was the legacy of Bronfman and
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  Speaker 2: he had the same values and he wanted the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't the same economic context, and there were no
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  Speaker 2: there was nobody here with enough money to just manage
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  Speaker 2: the team alone. So he tried to find some people.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe that wasn't the good ones. I don't know. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: he took bad decisions when the strike happened. Maybe, But
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  Speaker 2: did he really wanted the team to stay in Montreal?
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  Speaker 2: I think so, I really think so. And I think
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  Speaker 2: he didn't deserve this oh media frenzy bullying against him.
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  Speaker 2: I think that was bad, and I wanted to show
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  Speaker 2: that because that for me, that's wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so let's push forward. Here. There are A's fans,
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  Speaker 1: Oakland A's fans that are going to watch this segment
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  Speaker 1: and wonder what life looks like twenty years from now.
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  Speaker 1: So my questions are all kind of combined. Here is
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  Speaker 1: baseball as popular now? I'm guessing that's now in Montreal?
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  Speaker 1: Do people root for the Blue Jays? Because the commissioner
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  Speaker 1: of the sport currently in baseball thinks that all of
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  Speaker 1: the Oakland A's fans are just going to eventually root
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  Speaker 1: for the San Francisco Giants. And let's get that first.
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  Speaker 1: Then I have one more on baseball now in Montreal.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the first ten years was art as
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  Speaker 2: I when I spoke to people, they told me that
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  Speaker 2: they were not able to watch a baseball game for
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  Speaker 2: ten years, and then they switch for the Blue Jays
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  Speaker 2: because you know, they had to find something to, you know,
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  Speaker 2: if they wanted to watch baseball, so the Blue Jays
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  Speaker 2: became their team. It's baseball popular, It's still it's still
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  Speaker 2: popular amongst the youngest people. I can see games outside.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously it's not the same right now, there's a kind
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  Speaker 2: of an excitement. This is this is a new thing.
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  Speaker 2: But but no, it's not as popular as it was.
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  Speaker 2: But we can still and this is really true, we
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  Speaker 2: can still feel exposed DNA in the city. They are
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  Speaker 2: not forgotten. I can see logos everywhere. There are murals
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  Speaker 2: with up and stuff like that. Every time, every time
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  Speaker 2: we passed next to the the Olympic stage and we
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  Speaker 2: think about them. They're not forgotten. But of course it's
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  Speaker 2: not the same. He's baseball dead here. I wouldn't say so,
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  Speaker 2: but it's not the same. Of course, it's it's there's
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  Speaker 2: a sentiment of sadness, of course when you think about it.
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  Speaker 2: But I think it's a privilege to have a major
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  Speaker 2: league team and we add one. For so many years
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  Speaker 2: we tried to keep it. The economics weren't there. But
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  Speaker 2: you know what, I want to feel proud because we
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  Speaker 2: had this privilege for so many years and we took
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  Speaker 2: it and that was a wonderful team and the souvenirs
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  Speaker 2: we have. This is not dead. This is not dead.
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  Speaker 5: Well, you are one of the most level headed fans
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  Speaker 5: then that I've ever heard speak about it, because it
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  Speaker 5: does not go that smoothly. And I think the sadness
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  Speaker 5: and the popularity is just a reflection of obviously what's
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  Speaker 5: happened to the team, and it has a baseball hasn't
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  Speaker 5: been in there. I think, you, guys, I think the
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  Speaker 5: happiness and memories and new memories would come flooring back
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  Speaker 5: in with a new team. Do you think the city
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  Speaker 5: would be able to handle a new team, because I
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  Speaker 5: know MLB has been talking to it for a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. This is a hard question. I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to be I want to be positive for fans
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  Speaker 2: in Quebec, but you know MLB business, this is big money.
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  Speaker 2: Now we are talking about billions of dollars. Could Quebec
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  Speaker 2: sustain that without the help of the government, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Is there enough money here to maybe a big company.
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  Speaker 2: It works for the Blue Jays. I think it's Rogers
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  Speaker 2: that own them. So maybe if someone with a lot
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  Speaker 2: of money, I can see that it could work again.
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  Speaker 2: It would work. But now me, for me personally, I
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't bet on it my house.
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  Speaker 4: Don't do that. Don't do that.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks to MLB. What did they have to approve? And
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  Speaker 2: Like?
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  Speaker 3: How did they get money from this? Do they did
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  Speaker 3: you have to pay them? Did they pay you to
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  Speaker 4: How were they involved?
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  Speaker 2: So didn't they didn't paid us at all. We obviously
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  Speaker 2: They also own all the license for all the logos
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  Speaker 2: and stuff like that, so we have to talk to them,
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  Speaker 2: and we had good conversations with them every I think
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  Speaker 2: my producer was talking to every week for I don't
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  Speaker 2: know the old process, and they were really in it.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't really told us anything about the narrative, so
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  Speaker 2: they were good with it. They only help us on
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  Speaker 2: the fact checking because we wanted the facts to be
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  Speaker 2: really right and true. There are so much stuff that
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  Speaker 2: has been said about the expos What is true? What
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  Speaker 2: is not true? Do we have prooved to say that
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  Speaker 2: thing is? It's conspiracy? Stuff like that, So they help
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  Speaker 2: us with that. But they were not They were not
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  Speaker 2: implicate on the narrative. That was my story to tell
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  Speaker 2: and they were fine with it. They were fine with it.
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  Speaker 2: Thought they were good. That was that went really well. Actually,
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  Speaker 2: that's good to hear.
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  Speaker 3: I'm glad because they can be not so easy to
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  Speaker 3: work with, but this one was great. Okay, good good
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  Speaker 3: to hear. Now, before I let you go. You mentioned Yupie. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: so I saw Upie in the documentary. Upie is mister
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  Speaker 3: Expo up But then did I see him? Did he
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  Speaker 3: Is he a trader?
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  Speaker 2: Now?
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  Speaker 3: Did he go over to the Canadians because I saw Yupie? Oh?
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  Speaker 4: So he went?
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  Speaker 3: So he he didn't leave, he stayed and they just
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  Speaker 3: switched leagues, I guess sports.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it was kind of a culture pop icon here
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  Speaker 6: in Montreal, so I think if I remember that, the
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  Speaker 6: Montreal Canadian just took.
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  Speaker 2: It back and brought him with them. So since two
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  Speaker 2: thousand and five, he is the mascot of the Canadians
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  Speaker 2: and he just switched his jersey. So he's there every
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  Speaker 2: game here in Montreal at the arena at work. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But are the are the Are the Expo fans rooting
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  Speaker 3: for the Blue Jays in the World Series or they
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  Speaker 3: hate the Blue Jays like the Canadians hate the Maple Leaves.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's kind of both because I can
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  Speaker 2: read a lot of stuff. I can read a lot
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  Speaker 2: of stuff on the web. But I think in the
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  Speaker 2: majority they are routing for the Blue Jays. It's so
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  Speaker 2: fun to feel baseball excitement again in Canada. It's been
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  Speaker 2: a while, so I think they just want to go
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  Speaker 2: with it and have fun. And it's cool to hear
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  Speaker 2: about baseball because I did this documentary and I thought
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  Speaker 2: it was dead and then it's just coming back. And
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  Speaker 2: I was so excited the day before the release of
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  Speaker 2: the movie, just watching the game, and I went to
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  Speaker 2: bed thinking and the Blue Jays would not win. And
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: when I wake up, I was so surprised, and I
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: told myself, this is the better timing I could have
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: to just release this movie.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: It really is. You can't get me any better.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: One of my big regrets of my career is I
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: never got to go to Montreal, really because the one
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: year I was with the Giants, we were supposed to
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: go went to Puerto Rico. That was an MLB ow,
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: didn't they. Yeah, we shipped our up to the Puerto
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: rican All I had heard about for years was how
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: awesome Montreal was, and I never got to go. I'm
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: so mad about it.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: You gotta go.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's too cold right now, though, I have to
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: wait till.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: The summer summer, and.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Right now it's great.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Well, this was great, Thank you and great job on this.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us. Maybe the sequel is the raves
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: that went on there that I heard about. For like
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: ten seconds, I could watch that Samson.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: Drop the line on that. I mean in the stadium.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: He was like, there's like, there's there's raves.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: You can find e on the floor. Excuse me, what
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: that is true? That is true?
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: All right, So that might be your sequel for a
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: different crowd, but just throwing that out there. Yeah, thanks again,
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: and great job.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Glad you liked it. You're a
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: baseball persons and uh that meant that look to me.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we eat sleep and bre so I encourage everyone
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: to check without and we'll be right back.
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