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Jags Drive Time: Tuesday, February 9 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Jack Wars. Did you go, Jack Wuars? Did you Jaguars
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Speaker 1: Drive Time? Brian Sex steps, John Oases actually sell Jaguars
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Speaker 1: Drag A Time starts right now. Welcome in and welcome
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Speaker 1: back to Jack's Drive Time, our first show of the
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Speaker 1: off season. We're gonna be here every Tuesday morning at
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Speaker 1: ten am, live here with you, starting back up after
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl Sunday, and I bring in Brian Sexton and
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Speaker 1: John Osier. We are reunited, and sadly we are reunited.
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Speaker 1: Brian with some sad news. We were just talking on
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Speaker 1: the podcast last week about the coaching search and we're
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Speaker 1: awaiting that coaching announcement, and Brian Schottenheimer is one of
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Speaker 1: the reported names for passing game coordinator and we just
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Speaker 1: got some sad news about his father. Well, uh, we
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Speaker 1: did talk about Marty, who was one of the great
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Speaker 1: coaches in NFL history. He never won a Super Bowl
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Speaker 1: and so people will say, well, great's the wrong term.
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Speaker 1: I mean great in terms of the person that he was,
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Speaker 1: his results. He's the eighth old time winning his coach
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Speaker 1: and I think he's the only coach to win at
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Speaker 1: least ten games with three different clubs. Of course, of
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Speaker 1: Cleveland Kansas City, Washington, San Diego, places where he stopped.
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Speaker 1: UM fond of him. I grew up in Kansas City.
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Speaker 1: He was the head coach there and then he used
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Speaker 1: to come down every year for the j Fund Tom
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Speaker 1: Coughlin's endeavors and would sit and tell stories. And of
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Speaker 1: course he was connected back to the old days as
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Speaker 1: a player in the a f L with the Bills.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he knew the names and just a good man.
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Speaker 1: And I think he's off of a lot of radar
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Speaker 1: screens and has been for a while. It's been suffering
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Speaker 1: with Olzheimer's. But condolences to the Schottenheimer family. Truly one
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Speaker 1: of those guys that if you ever had the chance
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Speaker 1: to sit and have a cup of coffee or a
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Speaker 1: beer with you would have walked away having felt richer
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Speaker 1: for your experience with Coach Schottenheimer. Yes, definitely some sad news.
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Speaker 1: And we are here for a reason and that is
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Speaker 1: the off season has begun as we get into big things,
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Speaker 1: and big thing one is the off season. We're now
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Speaker 1: day to week one of the off season, right after
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Speaker 1: the super Bowl, and that means the start of a
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Speaker 1: new year and a change for the Jaguars. A limited
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Speaker 1: virtual NFL combine coming up and a chance to look
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Speaker 1: at those eleven draft picks. Change up to the schedule
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Speaker 1: that we thought though leads us too Big Thing too,
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Speaker 1: which is Friday. We were all looking forward to Trevor
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Speaker 1: Lawrence is Pro Day, but Adam Schefter tweeted out late
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Speaker 1: last week that the favorite number one overall pick, most
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Speaker 1: likely Trevor Lawrence, will not throw at his Pro day,
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Speaker 1: but instead will throw this Friday in front of NFL teams.
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Speaker 1: After that, he will have a left labor shoulder repair surgery.
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Speaker 1: No that it's his non throwing shoulders, So not the
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Speaker 1: biggest deal in the world, but something to keep our
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Speaker 1: eye on, that's for sure. And then Big Thing three
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Speaker 1: is a perfect example coming off the Super Bowl Sunday.
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Speaker 1: You see Tom Brady right there. Just two years ago
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Speaker 1: the Bucks only had five wins and had a a
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Speaker 1: lot of work to do. Made big time improvements in
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Speaker 1: their defense in two thousand nineteen and that led them
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Speaker 1: to seven wins, and now that the Super Bowl champions,
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Speaker 1: after getting their guy at quarterback. When you figure that
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Speaker 1: position out, it can change quickly, and it changed in
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Speaker 1: a matter of two years for the Buccaneers. So John.
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Speaker 1: We hate to make comparisons to Tom Brady, but if
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars get their guy at quarterback, this could be
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars and two short years we were talking about
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Speaker 1: it on the podcast. If the Jaguars get it right,
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Speaker 1: how many years would it take to get to the
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl? I said to you, said three, Maybe we
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Speaker 1: can meet somewhere in the middle. Well, somewhere in the
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Speaker 1: middle would mean winning the super Bowl on on November
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Speaker 1: eight of what. Yeah, that sounds so I'm not sure
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Speaker 1: we're going to do that. But um, but you know,
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Speaker 1: they can improve a great deal very quickly. I don't
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Speaker 1: know that the super Bowl in the season is entirely
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Speaker 1: realistic with as much work that has to be done
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Speaker 1: and with as much maturation as whoever is playing quarterback,
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Speaker 1: which we assume is Trevor Lawrence, would have to take.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm a little cautious by nature, especially have
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Speaker 1: had my coffee in the morning, so I'm not gonna
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Speaker 1: go to but getting the quarterback right, the draft picks, everything,
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Speaker 1: I think this year is going to be more growing
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Speaker 1: pains than people hope, maybe even Coach Meyer. But I
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Speaker 1: think it's going to be an accelerated pace in two playoffs.
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Speaker 1: We'll see, but it can. It can turn quickly when
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Speaker 1: you got the quarterback. Well, hey, look, I mean I
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Speaker 1: can give you examples, you know, going back even since
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Speaker 1: Brady came into the league and Ben Roethlisberger went in
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Speaker 1: when Tommy Maddox got hurt in two thousand four as
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Speaker 1: a rookie and they won thirteen consecutive games. He didn't
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Speaker 1: lose again until he lost to Brady in the a
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Speaker 1: f C Championship Game. The difference is that he walked
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Speaker 1: into a powerful football team. They had Jerome Bettis in
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Speaker 1: an offensive line. Their defense was really good, like it
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Speaker 1: always has been. So he just had to play well,
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Speaker 1: and he did. He played very, very well. I don't
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Speaker 1: think that's the situation here for for Trevor Lawrence when
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Speaker 1: he comes in, however, there is some talent there and
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Speaker 1: if he gets better quicker, I think you could get
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Speaker 1: it done. I think, you know. You look at mahomes In.
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Speaker 1: He came into the league, but he only played in
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Speaker 1: the season finale in Denver. He played really well, but
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Speaker 1: then the next year he steps into the starting lineup, boom,
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Speaker 1: they go all the way to the a f C
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Speaker 1: Championship Game. So there are plenty examples of guys who
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Speaker 1: come in, they play well, they take a team they're
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Speaker 1: playing well, and it goes. But we don't know what
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Speaker 1: coach Meyer is going to do with this roster. We
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Speaker 1: don't know what he likes and what he thinks he
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Speaker 1: can do without how he's going to use the picks
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Speaker 1: in the salary cap room to sort of reshape it.
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Speaker 1: Um So any assumptions that we have right now are
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Speaker 1: just those assumptions. But I do think it's safe to
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Speaker 1: say if this kid is what we think he is,
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Speaker 1: and I know we're gonna talk with a Clemson reporter
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Speaker 1: coming up here in the show, if he's what we
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Speaker 1: think he is, there's a chance for them to improve dramatically.
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Speaker 1: Now you say, oh, come on, Sexton, I mean they
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Speaker 1: were one in fifteen. Dramatic would be five and eleven. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean I think they could go to eight and
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Speaker 1: eight if everything worked out this year. That would be
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Speaker 1: dramatic improvement. We'll see, Yes, seven more winds would be dramatic.
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Speaker 1: And I won't lie to you, John. I saw the
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Speaker 1: Adam Schefter tweet they had the notifications on. I saw
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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence surgery. I had to read it a couple
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Speaker 1: of times, and there definitely was a bit of a
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Speaker 1: freak out. But then when you found out it was
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Speaker 1: his non throwing shoulder that he's getting surgery on it,
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Speaker 1: you calm down a little bit. We've heard some reports
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Speaker 1: and we've seen names where it's definitely affected the career
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Speaker 1: of someone with a throwing shoulder. Is this something to
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Speaker 1: be worried about. I don't think so, but maybe I'm
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Speaker 1: just optimistic. Well, I never call surgery minor because it's
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Speaker 1: only minor for people who don't have to go in
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Speaker 1: to see the doctor have the surgery. But overall, in
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Speaker 1: terms of his football career, this is almost a non story,
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Speaker 1: if you will. It's not his throwing shoulder. It's it
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Speaker 1: is said, and I'm not a doctor, but I play
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Speaker 1: one on the show. It's said that it's very very
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Speaker 1: my even for the labor, it wasn't even described as
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Speaker 1: a torn left labor. So again, I think Mark Long
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Speaker 1: tweeted out last week, I gotta take those left handed
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Speaker 1: throws out of the playbook now, if you're Irban Meyers.
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Speaker 1: So that's pretty much all it is. This is as
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Speaker 1: close to a non issue as a surgery can be,
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Speaker 1: although I'm glad I'm not the one going in for it. Yes,
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Speaker 1: I'm glad as well. I'm also glad John that you
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Speaker 1: will most likely not be playing quarterback for the Jaguars
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Speaker 1: no offense. All right, So you have eased my nerves
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Speaker 1: about Trevor Lawrence. And we're going to have someone on
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Speaker 1: the show coming up who knows Trevor Lawrence much more
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Speaker 1: not all, eyes are on Trevor Lawrence. Someone who knows
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Speaker 1: Trevor pretty well and has covered his college career as
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Speaker 1: Grace Raynlore who writes for the Athletic in Clemson, South Carolina.
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Speaker 1: And Grace, thanks so much for waking up with us. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate it.
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Speaker 1: Of course, so we have we've read about Trevor Lawrence,
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Speaker 1: we have watched interviews, but none of us really know
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Speaker 1: who he is. So this might sound like a vague question,
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Speaker 1: but what is he like? What do you know about him? Sure,
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Speaker 1: Trevor is extremely likable. I mean he's UM. I think
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Speaker 1: my favorite part of covering Trevor was that he's just
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Speaker 1: very consistent, always the same person after wins and losses.
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Speaker 1: Granted we did not see him lose often at Clemson,
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Speaker 1: only twice. Um, but he just has for someone who's
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Speaker 1: been in the spotlight since he was thirteen fourteen years old, UM,
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Speaker 1: he's extremely personable. Very down to earth, very relaxed, super chill. Um.
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Speaker 1: I think that you'll his vibe a lot. And Um,
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Speaker 1: you know, for those of us who have watched Trevor
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Speaker 1: on television on Lady, it looks like he's played at
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Speaker 1: a high level since the day he started into the
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Speaker 1: lineup as a freshman. But where has he gotten better?
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Speaker 1: You talked to the coaches and his teammates. Where has
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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence gone up? Yeah? I think the biggest development
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Speaker 1: that we saw with Trevor is we all knew he
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Speaker 1: had the arm. Of course, that was why he was
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Speaker 1: the number one recruiting the nation, and that was kind
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Speaker 1: of what he was known for. Um. But after his
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Speaker 1: freshman season, between his freshman year and his sophomore year,
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Speaker 1: Clemson made a really intentional effort to make him more
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Speaker 1: of a runner, which I see on my screen right now. Um.
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Speaker 1: They wanted him to be more mobile and kind of
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Speaker 1: make him a weapon on the ground. And he took
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Speaker 1: a major leap in that regard from freshman to sophomore year.
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Speaker 1: And then we saw that again his junior year. And
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Speaker 1: that's something that Clemson has talked a lot about, is
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Speaker 1: you look at Trevor he's six six pounds. Dabosweeney has said,
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Speaker 1: you know, a lot of people don't give him enough
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Speaker 1: credit for how fast he is. Trevor's got some wheels.
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Speaker 1: He can move, um, and so I think that that's
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Speaker 1: where he developed the most initially and then continued to
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Speaker 1: build on that as he became an upperclassman and obviously
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Speaker 1: is now entering the draft. Grace Again, we appreciate you
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Speaker 1: doing this. Um, I knowe as a beat writer close
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Speaker 1: to the team. Uh, you know more about a player
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Speaker 1: that sometimes and sometimes makes the national narrative. What is it?
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Speaker 1: I guess give us something about Trevor that maybe doesn't
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Speaker 1: get talked a lot about by Kirk Herb Street on
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Speaker 1: ESPN when they're talking about these guys. Anything that you
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Speaker 1: know about him or can share it might bring the
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Speaker 1: Jaguars fans some insight over what this kids really like.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think when you talk to people who
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Speaker 1: are close to Trevor and who know him super well, Um,
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Speaker 1: he's just he's very intentional within every aspect of his life.
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Speaker 1: Of course, we see him on the football field and
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Speaker 1: we see him, you know, absolutely carved up these defenses.
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Speaker 1: But when he was speaking out the way he did
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Speaker 1: this summer when he was leading me, we wants to
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Speaker 1: play movement the way this summer. I mean, he's still
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Speaker 1: a twenty one year old kid kind of figuring out
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Speaker 1: what's important to him, what he believes in, how he
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Speaker 1: wants to use his platform. But when you talk to
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Speaker 1: the people close to him, he's, UM, he's just always
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Speaker 1: very methodical. He's he's very smart, and he's very loyal.
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Speaker 1: He's just UM. I think that Jaguars fans will see
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Speaker 1: he's he's a great teammate. UM, he's very smart on
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Speaker 1: and off the field. UM. But I would say that
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Speaker 1: that's the biggest thing is that Trevor is one of
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Speaker 1: the one of the very few people that you cover
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Speaker 1: and you just never hear anything remotely questionable about him
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Speaker 1: or anything bad about him. He really is just the
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Speaker 1: same person every single day. Grace, you mentioned that he's
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Speaker 1: the same person. And we all know the record thirty
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Speaker 1: eight into only two losses in his college career, and
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Speaker 1: I think you can tell a lot about a player
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Speaker 1: in the losing and if it's a losing streak or
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Speaker 1: if it's just two games for Trevor Lawrence, what was
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Speaker 1: he like in those losses? Yeah, Trevor was. I remember
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Speaker 1: very vividly his first loss, which would have been that
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Speaker 1: LSU National championship game after the twenty nineteen season. Very poised, UM,
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Speaker 1: very still very One of the things I liked the
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Speaker 1: most about Trevor is Trevor has um what Dabo Sweeney says,
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Speaker 1: is really a photographic memory, and he can tell you
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Speaker 1: exactly what happened. UM in this case, what went wrong, Uh,
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Speaker 1: what broke down? And so just just the same guy
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Speaker 1: explaining to us kind of what he saw, what he
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Speaker 1: made of it. Um. He had understood that, of course
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Speaker 1: he had an incredible winning streak, and he of course
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Speaker 1: wanted to to win all of the games, but understood
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Speaker 1: that winning was hard and and and came to terms
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Speaker 1: with it. And same thing after this past year. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I think we all knew the writing was on the wall.
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Speaker 1: That was the last time that we would see Trevor
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Speaker 1: in the Clinton uniform after the after the Sugar Bowl. UM.
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Speaker 1: But just very thoughtful. Uh. He actually thanked the media
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Speaker 1: after his twenty nineteen lost to l s U. UM.
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Speaker 1: Just just super consistent, always willing to answer really any
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Speaker 1: question that you have for him to hear. This may
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Speaker 1: be a self evident question, Grace, and I apologize at
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Speaker 1: the star quarterbacks, especially guys who win and are as
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Speaker 1: personable as he is. Um, they're very well liked in
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Speaker 1: the locker room, beloved. How did his teammates react to him?
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Speaker 1: And you couldn't look in the guy's eyes and see
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Speaker 1: what he thinks of his teammates? What was it like
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Speaker 1: in the Clemson locker room for for Trevor and how
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Speaker 1: did his teammates react? Yeah, I think Trevor. The defining
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Speaker 1: moment that I remember in terms of Trevor really winning
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Speaker 1: over this team was when in he's a true freshman,
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Speaker 1: it's week five and he's just won the starting job,
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Speaker 1: and he has just dethroned Kelly Bryant, who was obviously
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Speaker 1: a senior. He was the incumbent. He was extremely well liked,
15:51
Speaker 1: and so Trevor had kind of come in obviously wanting
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Speaker 1: to compete for a job, but not wanting to necessarily
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Speaker 1: ruffle any feathers. And I remember very vivid. I think
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Speaker 1: the moment that everyone knew that they were going to
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Speaker 1: be in great hands was right after Trevor won the
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Speaker 1: starting job. UH. Former Clemson defens attackle Christian Wilkins took
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Speaker 1: him out to breakfast. Christian was a senior at the time,
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Speaker 1: and then that same week, Trevor paid it forward and
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Speaker 1: took the entire starting happinsive line out to breakfast on
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Speaker 1: his tab as a freshman. And I think that that
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Speaker 1: was the moment when Um, of course everyone was going
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Speaker 1: to rally around him anyway. Of course they knew this
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Speaker 1: is a talent that you can't deny. And and Clemson
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Speaker 1: had the best chance of winning when the ball was
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Speaker 1: in his hands. UM. But I think from there on
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Speaker 1: out he really earned the respect of his teammates. And
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Speaker 1: then from there it just built and built and built
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Speaker 1: into a friendship. Um. And as Dabos Sweeney says, you know,
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Speaker 1: by a sophomore year, he was the leader of the offense,
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Speaker 1: and by his junior year, he was a leader of
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Speaker 1: the team. Grace. I'm wondering schlenn sort of alluded to
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Speaker 1: this earlier that things haven't gone wrong for Trevor a
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Speaker 1: whole lot. But when he's asked during the course of
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Speaker 1: a game to adjust maybe call to play with the
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Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, when things go wrong, how is he
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Speaker 1: handled that? During his three years? That's what I think
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Speaker 1: makes Trevor so good. And you talked to coaches who've
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Speaker 1: had to play against him, and that's sometimes that's that's
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Speaker 1: a lot of what they say is the hardest part
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Speaker 1: is that when things go wrong or things look like
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Speaker 1: they're breaking down, Trevor can still make something happen. And
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Speaker 1: so I think that we don't talk enough about his
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Speaker 1: ability to process because of course we look at his arm,
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Speaker 1: we look at these six six and he's making these
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Speaker 1: crazy throws and all of these things. But um, he's
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Speaker 1: a really smart football player. And the more confidence he
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Speaker 1: got in Clemson system, the more confidence he got in
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Speaker 1: the offense, uh, the more we saw that come through.
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Speaker 1: And so I think that that's another thing that's maybe
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Speaker 1: a little underrated about Trevor is that he's pretty good
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Speaker 1: under pressure. And and as dab of Sweeney has pointed
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Speaker 1: out many times, some of Trevor's best throws, some of
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Speaker 1: his most impressive throws have have come on when he's
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Speaker 1: scrambling and kind of on the move, trying to figure out,
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Speaker 1: all right, let me see if I can make something
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Speaker 1: happen here. All high praising great things to say about
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Speaker 1: the favorite number one overall pick Trevor Lawrence Grace, thanks
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Speaker 1: so much for joining us. We appreciate your time. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: thank tho so much for having me. Appreciate it. All right,
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Speaker 1: we'll talk to you again soon. I'm sure you're leading
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Speaker 1: up to the NFL Draft. When we come back on
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Speaker 1: at the start of the off season. Of course, we're
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Speaker 1: weeks to come, So stay with us. This is our
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Speaker 1: new segment beyond number one. And we made this segment because, Brian,
20:35
Speaker 1: we're all going to talk about Trevord Lawrence at nauseam
20:38
Speaker 1: and that number one overall picks. Yeah, all the news
20:41
Speaker 1: is good news as of now, but we kind of
20:43
Speaker 1: forget that there are ten other picks in the NFL Draft.
20:46
Speaker 1: We're gonna lay them out right here with this lovely
20:49
Speaker 1: graphic and looking in them all up. The biggest thing
20:52
Speaker 1: that stood out to me is five drafts in the
20:55
Speaker 1: first three rounds, and at times those third rounds can
20:59
Speaker 1: really be gems, like for example, Davon Hamilton's last year. Brian,
21:03
Speaker 1: So this is the money rounds, I guess you can
21:05
Speaker 1: say as those first three rounds and having the capital
21:08
Speaker 1: of five picks is huge. Well, to be clear, having
21:13
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence at number one makes this entire exercise that
21:16
Speaker 1: much better. When you have the quarterback now you can
21:20
Speaker 1: build with the rest of your team. The Jaguars have
21:22
Speaker 1: been swinging at that position so long, both with draft
21:25
Speaker 1: picks and the salary cap that everything else, you know,
21:29
Speaker 1: seem to just kind of be pieces. Now you can
21:32
Speaker 1: really attack him. And you look at the list, they're
21:33
Speaker 1: they're twenty five and thirty three and forty five and
21:38
Speaker 1: sixty and they've got a lot of capital in the
21:42
Speaker 1: first two days of the draft, and I think it
21:44
Speaker 1: and thirty three it's where I'm most interested right now.
21:49
Speaker 1: Of course, we're all assuming the Trevor Lawrence is to pick,
21:51
Speaker 1: and I hope to continue to assume that. Um, you know,
21:55
Speaker 1: but there's there's so many positions where there are going
21:58
Speaker 1: to be players there. We've dune that offense of defensive tackle,
22:01
Speaker 1: they're most certainly will be offensive tackles in that range
22:04
Speaker 1: between twenty five and thirty three. There may be a
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Speaker 1: defensive tackle, though, as John As has enumerated over many shows,
22:11
Speaker 1: this is not a draft where defensive tackles are a plenty.
22:16
Speaker 1: There may be a cornerback or a safety sitting right there.
22:19
Speaker 1: You're going to be able to substantially upgrade your roster
22:23
Speaker 1: at thirty three. Let's throw forty five in there as well.
22:27
Speaker 1: I mean, just look back at some of the second
22:29
Speaker 1: round picks because chinl Jr. You know, Ping into mind there.
22:32
Speaker 1: I mean, and we just got a glimpse of what
22:35
Speaker 1: he can be. And you talked about Davon Hamilton's in
22:37
Speaker 1: the third round. I mean, you're looking at future starters
22:42
Speaker 1: through the first five or six picks that the Jaguars have,
22:45
Speaker 1: and in a normal year you'd be looking at you know,
22:47
Speaker 1: if you get three starters, long term starters out of this,
22:51
Speaker 1: that's a really good draft. But because of the capital
22:54
Speaker 1: that was put in place through various trades, and Dave
22:57
Speaker 1: Caldwell did a really good job at leaving this draft capital,
23:01
Speaker 1: Jaguars are in a plumb position thirty three and forty five.
23:06
Speaker 1: It's going to be a really rich harvest for the
23:08
Speaker 1: Jaguars right there. Totally agree. And I go back to
23:12
Speaker 1: last year in Indianapolis, John and I remember we started
23:14
Speaker 1: talking about this draft process and we said, you know,
23:17
Speaker 1: I bet that they package something. I bet that they
23:19
Speaker 1: trade up and trade down because they had a lot
23:21
Speaker 1: of draft capital last year as well. And I catch
23:23
Speaker 1: myself saying that now, But they also have a ton
23:27
Speaker 1: of needs. So maybe they do need those eleven players,
23:30
Speaker 1: and we're not going to see a lot of trading
23:31
Speaker 1: up going on with all those picks. Well, Dave last
23:37
Speaker 1: year opted not to do that. He opted to fill
23:39
Speaker 1: out the roster with young players and didn't make a
23:42
Speaker 1: move after everybody thought he would. My guess is from
23:45
Speaker 1: what you know about Trent Balky and this is that
23:47
Speaker 1: from talking to people with the Senior Bowl about Trent
23:50
Speaker 1: the general manager, he likes to maneuver in the draft,
23:54
Speaker 1: not necessarily always moving up for players, meaning it might
23:58
Speaker 1: not go for me levin to seven picks. He likes
24:01
Speaker 1: to move up and then move back to get as
24:04
Speaker 1: many picks that makes sense in the right ranges for players.
24:08
Speaker 1: And I will talk about that a lot more as
24:10
Speaker 1: the draft approaches, but it's it's draft maneuvering, trying to
24:14
Speaker 1: get your picks in the right spots for value. As
24:17
Speaker 1: eleven picks, I would hate to see fewer picks in
24:22
Speaker 1: that top sixty five because, as Brian alluded to, you
24:25
Speaker 1: can get starters there. But with those six that are
24:28
Speaker 1: below that, could you maneuver a little bit and improve
24:32
Speaker 1: your position in the top sixty five to go after
24:34
Speaker 1: a player that would make some sense to me. The
24:37
Speaker 1: intriguing things still as defensive tackle, I don't know they
24:40
Speaker 1: have the draft capital to go get a premier guy
24:43
Speaker 1: this year or for premier guys there, cornerback, safety, receiver,
24:48
Speaker 1: all those positions are historically where you can make Hay
24:53
Speaker 1: so to speak, at twenty and thirty three, maybe even
24:55
Speaker 1: offensive tackle. With those four positions, they're in good shape
24:59
Speaker 1: in that sixty five range. And I definitely think you
25:04
Speaker 1: could make hay And an offensive tackle as well. That
25:07
Speaker 1: the names are there, and we all know not no
25:10
Speaker 1: combined issue is gonna it's gonna make it more difficult
25:13
Speaker 1: because we're gonna have to wait for guys to start
25:15
Speaker 1: climbing the board. You know, you guys, you'd come back
25:17
Speaker 1: from the combine, we'd start talking about names and then
25:20
Speaker 1: we'd start to see their names shooting up in conversations,
25:24
Speaker 1: UM about the draft, And we're going to wait on
25:26
Speaker 1: that because we're gonna wait for pro days. But from
25:29
Speaker 1: from people that I've talked to, there are a handful
25:32
Speaker 1: of good, not elite, but really good prospects who will
25:37
Speaker 1: be available past so I think that's worth it. Here's
25:40
Speaker 1: the other point. The Jaguars have draft capital to go
25:44
Speaker 1: swing at an offensive tackle or a defensive tackle or both. Um.
25:50
Speaker 1: What they do there will be really interesting on draft day.
25:53
Speaker 1: I mean it's there is an embarrassment of riches right
25:57
Speaker 1: now in terms of options that Urban Meyer and Trent
26:01
Speaker 1: Bulky have and using them right is what they're planning for.
26:05
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated to see in a month, right the seventeenth
26:08
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26:11
Speaker 1: outlining their plan for building this team. You could go
26:15
Speaker 1: so many directions. We were told that the Senior Bowl
26:18
Speaker 1: it's a very heavy offensive draft, so maybe you go
26:21
Speaker 1: and grab those wide receivers, offensive line. But then you
26:24
Speaker 1: make the argument, if there's not a lot of defensive
26:26
Speaker 1: positions available, you gotta get them right there at So
26:30
Speaker 1: we'll talk much more about that spot, but this week
26:33
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Speaker 1: this show, this fabulous, fabulous show, with what's trending around
28:44
Speaker 1: the NFL. The first thing has to be the quarter
28:47
Speaker 1: back carousel that has already gotten started, and just get
28:51
Speaker 1: on and enjoy the ride, because this is something that
28:53
Speaker 1: we're gonna be paying attention to all off season as
28:56
Speaker 1: we get ready for free agency. This started quickly, quicker
29:01
Speaker 1: than I thought. John, this Matthew Stafford Jared Goff trade
29:05
Speaker 1: that happened late on a Saturday evening. I had a
29:07
Speaker 1: double check to make sure it was the right Adam
29:09
Speaker 1: schefter because I don't know about you, but I just
29:11
Speaker 1: I didn't expect it to happen so quickly, And I
29:13
Speaker 1: feel like this was so well hidden. I had no
29:16
Speaker 1: idea that this was going to happen, and it happened
29:18
Speaker 1: so quickly. Well, it happened fast because the Rams feel
29:25
Speaker 1: like they're a quarterback away, and if they're getting a
29:28
Speaker 1: guy for three or four years, I don't want to
29:30
Speaker 1: jump ahead. But to me, the intriguing thing right now
29:34
Speaker 1: is number three on that graphic, the potential of Wentz
29:38
Speaker 1: to the Colts, which you're starting to kind of here,
29:41
Speaker 1: something's gonna happen with Carson Wentz and the next what
29:43
Speaker 1: three four days? It sounds like or that's gonna be
29:47
Speaker 1: the topic. To me, that is much more intriguing than
29:50
Speaker 1: the Philip Rivers thing last year, because you knew Philip
29:53
Speaker 1: was going to be a short time rental. Frank Wright
29:56
Speaker 1: has experience with Carson Wentz. If they and save him
30:01
Speaker 1: into a franchise quarterback that he looked like briefly against
30:04
Speaker 1: the Eagles, all of a sudden, the Colts are said,
30:06
Speaker 1: at that position, I think that can happen. But to me,
30:08
Speaker 1: in the a f C South, that becomes sort of
30:12
Speaker 1: storyline B behind Deshaun Watson right now, whence getting right
30:18
Speaker 1: being with the Colts puts them in a very good
30:22
Speaker 1: position to be really really good for a long time.
30:25
Speaker 1: I don't know if they can do it, but Frank
30:27
Speaker 1: Reich is a very good quarterbacks coach can do that
30:29
Speaker 1: with Went, So to me, that's the intriguing topic right now. Well,
30:34
Speaker 1: a couple of things. First of all, the whole quarterback
30:36
Speaker 1: dynamic changed a few years ago. Remember it was the
30:41
Speaker 1: the Cardinals drafted Josh Roseen a tenth overall and it's
30:44
Speaker 1: a serious commitment, right draft capital and money. Then the
30:48
Speaker 1: next year they took Kyler Murray. So they showed you
30:51
Speaker 1: right away if you don't think you have the guy.
30:54
Speaker 1: Now there's the time, at this moment in league history
30:57
Speaker 1: right where they're just moving quarterbacks, moving quarter backs, moving quarterbacks.
31:00
Speaker 1: I mean, look at the list, right, Matt Stafford, Carson Went,
31:04
Speaker 1: Derek Carr should be on that list because of his contract,
31:08
Speaker 1: Sam Donald, DeShawn Watson, even though I don't think he
31:10
Speaker 1: goes anywhere, the conversation is there, and and Matt Ryan,
31:13
Speaker 1: who is still relatively young at thirty six. In other words,
31:17
Speaker 1: you know, you look at guys playing into their late thirties,
31:19
Speaker 1: there's some some tread left on the tire. So the
31:22
Speaker 1: dynamic now of quarterback carousel, I'm at we've never seen this.
31:27
Speaker 1: The starters, guys who were drafted in the top ten,
31:30
Speaker 1: who are all available. Uh, the name that stands out
31:33
Speaker 1: the most to me is Sam Donald, because if the
31:37
Speaker 1: Jets truly have decided that they're going to move on
31:39
Speaker 1: and they're going to use the second overall pick on
31:41
Speaker 1: a quarterback, then Donald's the guy I think a lot
31:44
Speaker 1: of teams would trade for because he's a guy that
31:48
Speaker 1: he's playing with one year left on his rookie contract
31:51
Speaker 1: and the fifth year option, so you're sending draft capital
31:54
Speaker 1: and you're only paying him five million, and if he
31:56
Speaker 1: plays well for you, you have the fifth year option
31:59
Speaker 1: as leverage. And I think he's really talented. Guys just
32:02
Speaker 1: been a bad situation there. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe people
32:05
Speaker 1: don't think he's that good, or maybe there's some warning
32:07
Speaker 1: signs in New York about Sam Donald. But I'm telling
32:10
Speaker 1: you what, if they're not sold on him and some
32:12
Speaker 1: team is, Donald seems to be the plumb there. Um.
32:16
Speaker 1: You know, one thought on the Wentz trade, the Eagles
32:19
Speaker 1: are over the cap by twenty million, and then they
32:21
Speaker 1: have to eat thirty four million dollars in dead cap
32:24
Speaker 1: on this guy. I would tell you, I don't know
32:27
Speaker 1: how it is that you you move Carson Wentz and
32:30
Speaker 1: absorbed that if you're Philadelphia, except I didn't think that
32:34
Speaker 1: the Rams would get anybody to take Golf's contract. So
32:38
Speaker 1: God knows. There are ways to get it done. There
32:41
Speaker 1: are ways to create cap room, and there are guys
32:43
Speaker 1: that are looking at, you know, the second, third, fourth
32:45
Speaker 1: year of the deal and where they can bail out.
32:48
Speaker 1: The quarterback carousel is fascinating and it's so different from
32:51
Speaker 1: the League of even five or seven years ago. Teams
32:54
Speaker 1: are getting their guy or they're moving them out and
32:56
Speaker 1: finding another one fast. Yes, that casel is gonna keep
33:00
Speaker 1: on spinning in quickly. Before we end this show, to
33:03
Speaker 1: Shaun Watson and what Brett Farb said about him last week, John,
33:06
Speaker 1: I know it went viral and social media that he said,
33:08
Speaker 1: play out that contract. That's your job. You play where
33:10
Speaker 1: your team is. But it's been extremely publicized. How unhappy
33:13
Speaker 1: to Shaun Watson? Is me the millennial that I am?
33:16
Speaker 1: I'm saying, how can you keep this guy in Houston? John?
33:20
Speaker 1: What are you thinking? Well? And from the Texas point,
33:25
Speaker 1: you keep in Houston because he is under contract. And
33:28
Speaker 1: if I'm the Texans, I would be shocked if these
33:30
Speaker 1: conversations aren't going like this. How can we get in
33:33
Speaker 1: front of this guy the new people at the Texans
33:36
Speaker 1: and convince him that what was before is not what's now.
33:39
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a hard topic, but that's what the
33:42
Speaker 1: coach has to do. Um. Yeah, the old school, crotchety
33:47
Speaker 1: guy in Mischlin tends to agree with far you signed
33:51
Speaker 1: your contract. You know, I don't like the trend of
33:56
Speaker 1: players forcing their way out. I think they're well paid
33:59
Speaker 1: all of that, But at the same time, I sort
34:01
Speaker 1: of get that, you know, it's a new era. Players
34:05
Speaker 1: are going to force their way out. I think my
34:08
Speaker 1: gut tells me that somehow the Texans are going to
34:11
Speaker 1: get it right with this guy. It's a different situation
34:14
Speaker 1: than with Jalen Ramsey with the Jaguars a few years back,
34:17
Speaker 1: because the situation involves a quarterback. You've bend when it's
34:21
Speaker 1: your quarterback. It's tougher to bend when it's a non
34:25
Speaker 1: quarterback position. So I think somehow they bend over backwards
34:29
Speaker 1: to get it right with Deshaun Watson. That's just my
34:31
Speaker 1: gut at this point. You know, you bend the knee
34:35
Speaker 1: so to speak, to use an old term from Game
34:37
Speaker 1: of Thrones, and you go with your hat in your hand,
34:40
Speaker 1: even though you're giving him hundred and forty five million dollars,
34:43
Speaker 1: but you're saying, look, you know, we we have not
34:45
Speaker 1: done things the right way here. We've had some organizational issues.
34:48
Speaker 1: We've had some roster issues. You know, the former coach
34:51
Speaker 1: traded away our you know, our best offensive weapon outside
34:55
Speaker 1: of you. You do whatever it takes. You know, you
34:57
Speaker 1: mentioned John that it's different than Jayalen. You bet, because
35:00
Speaker 1: even though Jalens very highly paid, the cornerback is the
35:04
Speaker 1: pardon me, the quarterback is the cornerstone of your franchise
35:09
Speaker 1: and of your salary cap. What the Texans did with
35:12
Speaker 1: that deal was set up their salary cap for the
35:15
Speaker 1: next four or five years to be able to put
35:16
Speaker 1: a team around him. You can't just willy nearly move
35:19
Speaker 1: that away. Um, I'd be stunned if he was traded.
35:24
Speaker 1: Go look at his numbers. He had the best season
35:26
Speaker 1: of his career, UM on a team that wasn't very good,
35:30
Speaker 1: and we watched him twice. I watched him here just
35:33
Speaker 1: you know, wiggle his hips and invade defenders for a
35:37
Speaker 1: first down that kept drives alive. Um, no chance I
35:42
Speaker 1: think he gets traded. I just can't see the Texans
35:45
Speaker 1: doing it. Not with a quarterback that's one of the
35:47
Speaker 1: top five in the league, no way. One thing we
35:50
Speaker 1: do know is Houston is absolutely getting some phone calls
35:54
Speaker 1: to say the least about Deshaun Watson, not as I
35:57
Speaker 1: would hang up on him. I would hang up on
36:00
Speaker 1: and it would get It would get back to David
36:02
Speaker 1: Will get his agent, who by the way, is Jalen
36:04
Speaker 1: Ramsey's agent that may have worked in Jacksonville. That's not
36:07
Speaker 1: going to work in Houston. I would restore my image
36:11
Speaker 1: as a franchise by not looking like a clown show
36:14
Speaker 1: and getting rid of the best quarterback they've ever had,
36:16
Speaker 1: and you never know, it could be the best quarterback
36:18
Speaker 1: they'll ever have. No chance. I'd hang up, that would
36:20
Speaker 1: get back to his agent real quick. Block the number,
36:24
Speaker 1: change the phone number, whatever you gotta do. And that
36:27
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36:29
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