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Robert Hansen - The Butcher Killer of Alaska - Part 2 · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 2: I think that's that. Okay, that is literally I wasn't.
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  Speaker 1: I never worry about people worrying our opinion. Fuck people,
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  Speaker 1: people suck, I.
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  Speaker 2: Know, but people should just do what they want to
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  Speaker 2: do in life.
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  Speaker 1: They should, But then you end up with people like
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  Speaker 1: fucking Robert Hanson in the world and that dude is
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  Speaker 1: a fucking douche canoe.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think as long as it's like socially acceptable,
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  Speaker 2: well yeah, what is socially acceptable? As long as it's
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  Speaker 2: not hurting what could you say, hurting other individuals?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, per se. But even still, even if it's not
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  Speaker 1: hurting other people, because there's people who just like exist
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  Speaker 1: and I just wish they didn't.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean, it's like you, but
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  Speaker 2: don't be this guy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, be yourself, but don't be fucking annoying. Don't be
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  Speaker 1: one of those people who people wish you weren't a people.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah kind of people.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean, people like this dude. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: well you made us wait long enough, my love.
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  Speaker 1: more before we continue onto Robert Hanson because we've got
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  Speaker 2: I'm getting Jacko socks.
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  Speaker 2: Them to bed like real sexy do it like basically
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  Speaker 1: Those socks when we okay, so Jacko can.
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  Speaker 2: Be Oh my god, that's too far, too far?
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  Speaker 1: Why you don't want Jacko to join us in the bedroom? No? Okay, fine,
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  Speaker 1: all right, well that aside, you ready to move on?
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  Speaker 1: To part two of this fucking douchebag known as Robert Hanson.
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  Speaker 2: I am totally ready.
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  Speaker 1: Are you sure you're ready? I don't know your seatbelt
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  Speaker 1: is buckled. You got a drink in your hand?
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  Speaker 2: I got tea, calming tea.
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  Speaker 1: Calming tea. We're good, fair enough that that will help,
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  Speaker 1: That will definitely help. While my microphone likes sprung back
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  Speaker 1: or something. Look at us.
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  Speaker 2: We are a shit show.
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  Speaker 1: We are, but it's also wicked and grim. That's to
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  Speaker 1: be expected.
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  Speaker 2: That's literally us.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So let's kind of give a recap on where
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  Speaker 1: we left off. So Robert Hansen began what he would
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  Speaker 1: later refer to as his serial rapist start official start
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  Speaker 1: of becoming a serial rapist. It was in nineteen seventy
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  Speaker 1: three when he began frequently picking up sex workers in
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  Speaker 1: his car to take them away. So that's right where
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  Speaker 1: we left off.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, and he's married and has a family,
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  Speaker 2: which is disgusting.
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  Speaker 1: And his wife somehow just didn't know this was all
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  Speaker 1: going on. We're not going to drag her down for that.
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  Speaker 1: It is what it is. But if you need to
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  Speaker 1: know more, I can't sum up the first episode in
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  Speaker 1: all of it Robert Hanson's the douchebag. He's a serial rapist,
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  Speaker 1: as we just said, and he's going to move on
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  Speaker 1: to not only raping, button murdering here in part two.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, just when you thought it couldn't get any worse, it.
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  Speaker 1: Gets worse exactly. So if you haven't listened to part one,
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  Speaker 1: go listen to it, because we're going to go on
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  Speaker 1: and continue the rest from here. Here we go, ladies
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  Speaker 1: and gentlemen and days in them. Let's do it.
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  Speaker 2: Let's do it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. So reports are coming in from the police all
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  Speaker 1: about women beginning to go missing and others being raped.
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  Speaker 1: But it like it's seriously unfortunate. But police weren't taking
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  Speaker 1: many of the reports.
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  Speaker 2: Very seriously, which I don't love.
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  Speaker 1: Right as it was all sex workers basically, that's why.
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  Speaker 1: And we're all familiar with the troubles sex workers go
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  Speaker 1: through with law enforcement not being taken seriously. And like
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  Speaker 1: I said, we covered it a fair bit in the
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  Speaker 1: last episode, so we're not going to dive into it
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  Speaker 1: here too much. Yeah, but to sum it up, the
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  Speaker 1: lifestyle leaves them with less than being less than credible
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to law enforcement. So Robert began frequently
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  Speaker 1: stalking the red light district again, but this time in
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  Speaker 1: a different way. As previously, he would sit in his car,
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  Speaker 1: mostly on the side, not going to the clubs too much,
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  Speaker 1: but he did just observing, observing from a distance, watching creeper.
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  Speaker 1: Things began to change a little bit. He was still
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  Speaker 1: a creeper, don't get me fucking wrong there. This guy
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  Speaker 1: fucked this guy, but he began to actually enter the
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  Speaker 1: dance clubs and bars on a much more frequent basis,
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  Speaker 1: searching for his victims.
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  Speaker 2: So it's almost like he got more brave, hey, more confidence, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: which is weird. I mean, I mean, I guess you
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  Speaker 2: can only you're going to progress, right, Well, he.
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  Speaker 1: Started out with like such a history of being bullied
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  Speaker 1: in everything, right as a team. So as he was
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  Speaker 1: now maybe talking to women, having the power over women,
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  Speaker 1: raping these women.
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  Speaker 2: Taking away more confidence, getting confidence in himself. I hate that.
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  Speaker 1: It's a fucking disgusting way to get confidence.
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  Speaker 2: It is so disgusting confidence, right.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm sure it did feed that confidence. So now
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  Speaker 1: he's beginning to feel like he is more powerful, Like
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  Speaker 1: he can walk in, he can go up to the
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  Speaker 1: girls sort of thing.
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  Speaker 2: Keep it like this community that they're living and is.
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  Speaker 1: Not large, right, you know, I never really did look
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  Speaker 1: up the population of Anchorage, and it's different for because
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  Speaker 1: it's like in the nineteen seventies as well, that's.
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  Speaker 2: True, but I just because I find that so mind
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  Speaker 2: blowing that like he has his family and the separate
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  Speaker 2: life and then like a good let or I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: normal life I guess you'd call it, and then this
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  Speaker 2: like dark life and that he can get away with
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  Speaker 2: it not crossing over whatsoever. That really odd.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Anchorage population today, as last taken in twenty nineteen, sorry,
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  Speaker 1: was two hundred ninety three thousand, So.
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  Speaker 2: It really in Alaska? Yeah, holy shit, Okay, I thought, okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: maybe this is stereotype. I didn't realize there was big
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  Speaker 2: cities in Alaska, Like I had absolutely no idea.
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  Speaker 1: Well, now you know, cool, I want.
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  Speaker 2: To go there even more.
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  Speaker 1: And the population in Anchorage, Alaska in the nineteen seventies
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  Speaker 1: was about fifty thousand, Okay, so it's gone up a
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  Speaker 1: lot since then.
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  Speaker 2: It has gone up a lot. And there still could
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  Speaker 2: be people though that he would know at in this
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  Speaker 2: these this red district or red light district. Yeah, that
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  Speaker 2: knows him from like his baking and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but anyone outside that, like his baking or his
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  Speaker 1: fellow church goers and stuff, most likely aren't going to
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  Speaker 1: be in that Red Lake district. But even if they
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  Speaker 1: do see him or whatever, they think of him as
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  Speaker 1: a good guy, that he's just an outstanding citizen. He's
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  Speaker 1: the baker, he goes to church. You know, they all
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  Speaker 1: got his back, even his hunter buddy. He's like, no,
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  Speaker 1: he's a good guy.
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  Speaker 2: So interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Now, when he actually did go up and he did
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  Speaker 1: approach women, or when he sat back and they approached him,
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  Speaker 1: his demeanor and stature often played in his favor with
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  Speaker 1: these extracurricular activities. That is what I'm going to say. Now. Remember,
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  Speaker 1: Robert wasn't necessarily a big, brooding man. Though he had
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  Speaker 1: improved his cutter large amount since his youth, it still
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  Speaker 1: did follow him into his adulthood. He wasn't a very
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  Speaker 1: large man, and he wore thick framed glasses. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: to top it all off, there were scars from sphere
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  Speaker 1: acne as a child.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: All in all, he just wasn't an imposing person, and
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  Speaker 1: it left many of the women who he talked to
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  Speaker 1: to feel very comfortable in his presence now, not necessarily
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  Speaker 1: in like a comforting way, not like comfortable as in
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  Speaker 1: he's comforting, but simply not feeling that there's any reason
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  Speaker 1: to fear him, right.
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  Speaker 2: You know, which is interesting because sometimes people like that
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  Speaker 2: you do actually need to fear.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure that. Robert also did continue to steal,
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  Speaker 1: and it wasn't like anything that he went out of
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  Speaker 1: his way to do sort of thing. It was all
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  Speaker 1: mostly like just petty theft too. It was more for
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  Speaker 1: the thrill of it sort of thing. He didn't plan
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  Speaker 1: to steal. He just did it when he wanted to.
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  Speaker 1: In general, he considered it an easy, too easy to
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  Speaker 1: get away with, so it wasn't much of a challenge.
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  Speaker 1: But when he did do it, it was a spur
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  Speaker 1: of the moment. It was for the rush. In nineteen
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  Speaker 1: seventy six, though, he was caught for stealing a chainsaw
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  Speaker 1: from a local store that he wanted to give his
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  Speaker 1: father for Christmas. He didn't even try to purchase it though,
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  Speaker 1: He just apparently pulled out an old receipt from his pocket,
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  Speaker 1: put it on top of the box, and began walking
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  Speaker 1: out of the store like he paid for it. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: Like the fucking balls on that dude for that.
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  Speaker 2: That's ballsy.
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  Speaker 1: But little did he know someone seen him do it, So.
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  Speaker 2: That's so interesting. This I just can't get over, like
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  Speaker 2: the two sides of this person's It blows my mind.
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  Speaker 1: To find the two sides like that.
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  Speaker 2: He's just like this community outstanding person, a family, like,
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  Speaker 2: has a family, married and stuff, and then like goes
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  Speaker 2: to the Red District steals like rapes. It just I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, I just can't imagine someone living like two
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  Speaker 2: different light like lives like that.
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  Speaker 1: That's your typical psychopath though abilities and it's just so
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  Speaker 1: far from anything that I would ever be able to
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  Speaker 1: do that.
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  Speaker 2: It just blows my mind. It blows my mind.
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  Speaker 1: Fair enough, fair enough, Now where was I here? I
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  Speaker 1: totally lost my place? Okay, right, So Robert pleaded guilty
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  Speaker 1: to larcensey, larcency, larceny. There we go. After he was
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  Speaker 1: caught stealing the chainsaw from a fred Meyer, which is
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  Speaker 1: a department store that was an anchorage.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: He was sentenced to five years in prison for it,
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  Speaker 1: required to receive psychiatric treatment for his bipolar disorder. However,
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  Speaker 1: it's a long time. He appealed the sentence and the
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  Speaker 1: Alaska Stream Supreme Court reduced that sentence and he was
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  Speaker 1: released with time served, So basically the time that he
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  Speaker 1: was held up in the whole court system, most likely
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  Speaker 1: that's all he served, and once he was let out again,
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  Speaker 1: just continued to stalk the red light district. Right, that's
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  Speaker 1: a very big theme. As soon as he gets caught
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  Speaker 1: and put away, he's let go and just goes right
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  Speaker 1: back to it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because that need is really a burning while
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  Speaker 2: he's in it's burning.
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  Speaker 1: It's a burning, burns, burns, burns, a burning ring a fire. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: my terrible, terrible singing is going to just lose us
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  Speaker 1: fucking listeners left, bet and center. Oh well, it's all good,
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  Speaker 1: be yourself right, yourself unless you Yeah, So at this
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  Speaker 1: point he needed we need to backtrack a little bit. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: that's what we're gonna do.
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  Speaker 2: Sound good now.
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  Speaker 1: Robert loves hunting. We already covered that in the last episode.
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  Speaker 1: But if if he didn't listen or you don't remember,
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  Speaker 1: absolutely loves hunting, really good at it. He frequently spent
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  Speaker 1: his other other free time in the forest hunting, and
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  Speaker 1: he was out there with his hunting buddies' lots too.
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  Speaker 1: He did this on a regular basis, and he even
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  Speaker 1: got so he would like flying with his friends, going
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  Speaker 1: out to remote locations and hunting in these remote locations
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  Speaker 1: sort of thing.
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  Speaker 2: So that would be pretty fun actually probably, oh.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And for that purpose in one of these remote locations,
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  Speaker 1: Robert eventually purchased himself a cabin and a nice remote
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  Speaker 1: area accessible by only boat or plane.
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  Speaker 2: Fun.
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  Speaker 1: It was the perfect oays is, to get away and
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  Speaker 1: find wild game untouched by human interaction. One little problem, though,
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  Speaker 1: how would he get to this cabin if he couldn't
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  Speaker 1: drive there. He can't just keep renting planes or borrowing
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  Speaker 1: planes from friends or anything, right, Well, ended up purchasing
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  Speaker 1: a small two person plane called a Piper super Cup,
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  Speaker 1: which he used to travel to and from his cabin
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  Speaker 1: in the Kinnick River area in the Manusuit. I practiced
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  Speaker 1: how to say this. I practice. I swear matanuska, matanuska.
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  Speaker 1: There we go. I practiced so much it was just like,
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  Speaker 1: now that I hit the word, I couldn't say.
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  Speaker 2: This guy loaded no, actually, because who the hell can
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  Speaker 2: just buy a cabin in the woods and then buy
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  Speaker 2: a plane and.
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  Speaker 1: Shit, well, here's the deal. He was actually able to
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  Speaker 1: purchase the plane. Due to insurance fraud, he filed a
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  Speaker 1: claim that his house was broken into and someone had
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  Speaker 1: stole much of his hunting equipment, including guns, rifles, and
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  Speaker 1: his prized hunting trophies that were one of a kind,
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  Speaker 1: things like antlers and mounts and stuff, which mounts can
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  Speaker 1: be fucking expensive. You don't know that, Well, it's the
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  Speaker 1: contents of your home house insurance right from this claim,
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  Speaker 1: he ended up getting ten thousand dollars and he used
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  Speaker 1: it to purchase said plane.
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  Speaker 2: Huh wow, Yeah, I dislike him even more.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you'll dislike him when you realize that that plane
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  Speaker 1: was a plane he would eventually begin to use to
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  Speaker 1: bring his victims to a remote cabin deep in the
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  Speaker 1: forest of Alaska.
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  Speaker 2: No, yesh, did his wife ever go to this cabin?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. There's very little out there on his wife.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I know, I'll stop talking about her. I just
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  Speaker 2: think this is just disgusting.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and I do know a very frequent question that
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  Speaker 1: people have is like, how can she not know this
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  Speaker 1: is going on? And I'm sure she has been berated
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  Speaker 1: with that throughout her life.
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  Speaker 2: Since Yeah, but I mean, it's easy to turn a
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  Speaker 2: blind eye to a loved one.
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  Speaker 1: It is right, and especially we did cover it in
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  Speaker 1: the other one. She was the type of person where
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  Speaker 1: her religion and everything was like, don't question your husband,
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  Speaker 1: it just you are there to support him sort of thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, if you had a sweet cabin in the woods,
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  Speaker 2: I would probably be there more than you escape in
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  Speaker 2: my regul.
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  Speaker 1: You would go there. Yeah, I think it's a little
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  Speaker 1: too far out even for you, though, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes just like escaping to like just this world that
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  Speaker 2: is just your own kind of seems intriguing.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't that what you have right now in a tiny home?
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  Speaker 2: No, well, because we still have people around us and shit, I.
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  Speaker 1: Guess okay, fair enough. Some of the women he began
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  Speaker 1: to eventually take to his cabin would be lucky enough
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  Speaker 1: to be flown back to Anchorage actually, and they would survive.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he would let them go on the basis that
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  Speaker 1: he believed they wouldn't tell anyone. Mostly though it's due
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  Speaker 1: to the fact that Robert was would terrify them enough
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  Speaker 1: to the point where that where they were afraid to
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  Speaker 1: say anything. So if he got to them enough, if
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  Speaker 1: he believed they're not going to talk, then he'd let
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  Speaker 1: them go, so.
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  Speaker 2: He's threatening them basically, yeah, very much like the individual
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  Speaker 2: in the last episode.
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  Speaker 1: Other women, however, are believed to have been set free
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  Speaker 1: among the Kinnick River, where Robert would simply tell them
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  Speaker 1: to run, like he had done in the past. There
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  Speaker 1: the women would be in the middle of the forest,
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  Speaker 1: terrified and most likely nude, while they ran for their
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  Speaker 1: lives from a man who had kidnapped and raped them,
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  Speaker 1: trying desperately to find a way to survive as he
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: stalked them through the bush and yep, just hunted them
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: like some sort of twisted game with his gun in
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: hand and a big bush knife on his belt. This
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: is where the tales of Robert having the whole hunting
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: humans came from. However, none of these hunting people accusations
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: have ever actually been proven.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Which we'll look at where he's doing it, the dense
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: forest and stuff. I feel like you could easily hide
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: a body out there, could you not.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: That's oh, we're getting to the bodies. Don't worry about that.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: But I'm saying the actions of hunting someone, letting them go,
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: and hunting them has not been proven.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: What we do know, no one would know that, which
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: I guess there's.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: No way of knowing that unless Robert came forward and
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: admitted it, and he has.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: Not, so this is just speculation.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: Then it's speculation, but it is most likely in occurrence.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: Not necessary speculation though, because like from if they have
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: been finding these bodies, they can maybe tell like from
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: their feet or something. I don't know, I'm going to
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: just keep listening, that.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: Would be a fairly decomposed body they'd most likely find touche.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: So basically it's speculation only because there were incidents where
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: he has told other victims to run, victims who have
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: survived and told the tale. Oh okay, so he has
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: in the past told people to run, and he really
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: likes hunting, and if he were to go so far,
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: he very well could have done that in this area.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Though there is no evidence to it, it.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Doesn't seem far fetched. Basically, it's most likely the case.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but good luck proving it. Yeah, So we do
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: know Robert uses cabin and plane between Oh sorry, right,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: we do know Robert used his cabin and plane for
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: some activities that we're going to get to. Okay, and
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: between nineteen seventy eight and nineteen eighty three, four bodies
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: were discovered in that area. The body of an unidentified
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: woman was found on Aclutna Road. A Klutanat Annie is
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: the name given to the unidentified murder victim whose body
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: was discovered in a wooded area one mile south of
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: the Aclutona Lake Road. Now, this is in a clutna
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: An Creage, Alaska, but it's still in the very very
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: very close area in July nineteen eighty. She was aged
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: between six sixteen and twenty five at the time of
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: her death, and her body was discovered several months after
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: being murdered, and an autopsy report concluded that she had
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: been killed by a single stab wound to the back.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: A Clutant Annie was murdered in nineteen teen seventy nine
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: by Robert who later specifically stated that she was his
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: first murder victim.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Yikes, that's young, yep.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Now, the case still remains open and numerous efforts have
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: been made to determine the identity of Annie, including several
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: forensic facial reconstructions and how she may have appeared, But
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: to this day, she is still known as Aklutnant Annie.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Really, no one has ever identified her.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: She has not been identified to this day.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Holy heck, we should almost put that photo up.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Definitely going to put that up on Instagram, huh. So.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: In May of nineteen eighty, the body of Jonah Messina
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: aka the Bear Lady, was found in a gravel pit
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: and was originally thought to be the victim of a
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: bear attack, as her badly decomposed body had since been
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: used as a snack I guess you could say by
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: a bear in the area. It wasn't until much later
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: that they realized she was actually a victim of Robert.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: So he's not really doing much effort to have even
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: hide these bodies really well.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: The thing is that it's a remote area only accessible
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: by boat or plane, right, and it just so happens
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: that some of these victims are being found by the
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: circumstance of individuals in the area. One, for example, was
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: a plane that just so happens to land testing some
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: new tires on their plane on this gravel bar the
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Kinnick River and saw bone sticking out of the ground
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: just so happened to be That's random. Another individual was
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: buried off a I think it was a power line
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: in the remote area, and it was workers working in
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: the area that again saw the shadow.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Grave, which I mean was kind of he could have
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: buried that a little bit.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: He could, right, but I mean it's sure like, who
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: the fuck's going to be out here and see this?
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: I guess that's some think an overconfidenc thing.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Again it is, but what are the fucking odds?
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: So apparently pretty good?
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Apparently on September twelfth, there's another one here. In nineteen
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: eighty two, hunters found a shallow grave on the banks
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: of the Kinik River just so happened hunters crossed that path.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: The remains were identified as that of a twenty three
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: year old exotic dancer, Sherry Morrow, who had been reported
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: missing a year earlier. She had been shot in the
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: back three times, and cartridges found in the nearby body
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: suggests that she had been shot with a two twenty
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: three Ruger Mini fourteen hunting rifle, a rifle that Robert
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: just so happened to own, an odd feature that was
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: also found with the body. She was found fully clothed,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: but there were no bullet holes in her clothing, suggesting
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: that Sherry had been naked when shot and then redressed
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: after her death and before she was buried.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Interesting, but then right there almost goes to show you too,
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: because like she was shot outside of the cabin thing,
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: like not even really near the cabin yep, which kind
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: of right there shows that he was probably hunting.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Her most likely.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Oh that is just the most terrifying shit I've ever
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: I just I just couldn't imagine. Holy you're in this
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: like middle of nowhere, like literally running for your life,
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: but there's nowhere to go. Like, oh my gosh, it
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: almost thinkes you want to cry and you.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Have nothing, not even the clothing, the.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Oh jeez, just the shit, like you just feel just.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Helpless more than that, more than helpless. Fucked yeah, Like
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: are you good?
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm good?
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: You sure.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: I just like put myself in these victims situations. I
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: try not to do that, but it was just like overwhelming.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: It was like, holy shit, it.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Looks like you're about to start crying.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: I feel so bad. That's like terrifying.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Oh, it is terrifying. I can't I can't imagine being
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: in the shoes of these victims. No, this leads us
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: to seventeen year old teen year old woman by the
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: name of Cindy Paulson. Oh, sorry, hold on, I think
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: I skipped one. Yes, I skipped one, so let's back
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: up just slightly. September second, nineteen eighty three, another shallow
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: grave was found on the banks of the Kinik River.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: The victim was identified as another exotic dancer, seventeen year
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: old Paula Golden. She had been murdered in the exact
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: same way Sherry Morrow had and had also been redressed
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: after death. Jeez, So now we're going to talk about
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: the seventeen year old woman by the name of Cindy Paulson.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Cindy was a sex worker who was working the Anchorage
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Fourth Avenue in the night of July thirteenth, nineteen eighty three,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: when Robert pulled up in his car and offered her
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: two hundred dollars for her services. As we said before,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Robert had glasses with thin acne scars, stutter when he spoke,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: and Cindy saw nothing threatening about Robert whatsoever and got
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: into his car for the two hundred dollars. As she
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: shut the passenger door, Robert quickly put a gun to
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: her head and slipped slipped handcuffs onto her wrists. With
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: a gun in her face, she had nothing to do
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: but do as she was told, so Robert drove them
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: to his house on Old Harbor Avenue, and once they
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: had arrived, he forced Cindy into the house at gunpoint
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: and down into his basement, the same thing he had
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: done to so many victims before her. There, he gagged, raped,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: and tortured Cindy for several hours, and once he was finished,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: he put chains around her neck and secured her to
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: a wooden post. Then Robert laid on the couch across
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: from Cindy and fell asleep.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that is fucking disgusting and terrifying all
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: at the same time that he just has absolutely no
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: remorse whatsoever.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: The fact that he could just sit there and just
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: fall asleep, not even okay, okay, just say yeah, okay,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: you can fall asleep after that, but fall asleep in
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: front of her, just there across the room on the.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Ca out and you just go to sleep like she's
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: not even there, basically yeah.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Like she's nothing, Like you don't give a shit. Wow,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Like the psychology behind that is fucked up.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Like this guy is beyond disgusting, Oh beyond wow.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: And I can't imagine being in Cyndi's shoes as well,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: being tied up there watching him sleep and you're just chained.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: What do you even do? Like, because you probably wouldn't
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: even want to wake him up and make him angry, right, Like,
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: what would you even do?
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: You're you're most likely going to want to look for
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: an escape or how can you escape? But like you say,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: you don't want to wake him up, what's he going
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: to do when he wakes up? What's he going to
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: do if he finds you trying to escape? So you're
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: trying to escape in a quiet way because I'm sure, Okay, yeah,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: you can say you're going to rattle the chains, you're
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: gonna break something, You're going to try and use the
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: chains and see if you can wear it down the
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: wooden post. That's all gonna wake them up. You're not
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: you can't do any of those things.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: So you're just in this terrible position.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: The only thing you can most likely do is try
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: to slip your head out of those chains, which she couldn't.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: It's not gonna work.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have Ripley sitting here just licking my hands
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: as I'm talking in this podcast.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: She was sitting that earlier to me, and then I
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: was like ignoring her.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Okay, So once Robert woke up. I what did I
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: do again? I think I keep like hitting my mouse
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: and it's like scrolling the page on me. Okay, okay, yeah,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: I got myself. So the morning came, Robert woke up
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: and he began packing immediately. He then took Cindy by
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: gunpoint again back upstairs and put her into their car.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: He drove off to Merlin Field where the airport is.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, sorry, no, I get it.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: I'm just like I looked at you and you're just
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: like what.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: No, I get it. I'm just like, my brain's still
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: going about where the his wife is. But I'm not.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: I'm just done. Done. I'm done.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: So he went to the airport where his airplane was
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: sitting there waiting. The area was deserve. Not a single
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: person insight at the airport, okay, And Cindy sat on
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: the floor of the back seat of his car, hands
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: cuffed in front of her. Robert got out of the car,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: leaving Cindy inside while he went to prepare the plane.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Now he was kind of going back and forth for
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: some luggage and this sort of stuff, and he was
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: at the plane getting it ready and feeling she had
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: nothing to lose, and she would most likely be killed soon. Yeah,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Cindy saw her chance to escape, Yes, and she took it.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: And this is a seventeen year old woman.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Right, I believe Cindy is seventeen years That.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Is freaking incredible. Okay, let's go. I'm ready, I got
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: my enthusiasm.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: So, laying on the back seat, she sat up and
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: peered out the window and noticed Robert had his back
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: to her. He was concentrating and focusing on the task
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: at hand with the plane. So she slowly and quietly
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: crawled into the driver's seat, opened the door and ran
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: had noticed, however, but it was too late and she
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: had gone too far already. Yes, he tried to chase
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: after her, but Cindy, wearing only handcuffs and a T
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: shirt with her underwear, made it to the nearby sixth Avenue,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: where she flagged down a truck before Robert can dress.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: The man on the truck by the name of Richard,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: you saw Cindy in distress and pulled over and picked
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: her up. Cindy just kept repeating to or to Richard,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: He's going to kill me, He's going to kill me.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine picking someone up like literally? That? Oh?
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Just saying that. I'd be like, holy shit, what do
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: you do?
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: You fucking drive? That's what you do?
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Well? Yeah, because you're in my car, I'm like, this
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: is dude coming, Like I'd just be terrified.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost like that what was that commercial that.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Start the car? What commercialscause? Like smoking deals or not
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: even smoking deals. It's just like he apparently it's like
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: less expensive.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know what. That kind of
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: reminds me of that where it's like panicaling getting out
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: of their sort of thing.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Your phone's making me think, there you go, it is you.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, So Richard did start the car. He drove Cindy
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: to a nearby a nearby in the mulsh In and
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: once she was safely inside because she just kind of
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: took off the vehicle went inside and Robert's like, uh,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: what the fuck do I do?
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, yeah, he doesn't a look guilty of shit either, right.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So he left Cindy safely inside. When she was there,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: he continued to drive, but he did call and notify
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: the police of the handcuffed and terrified young woman that
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: he had just picked up and where her location was.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: So he told the police everything and let them know.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: The poor thing.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, I can only imagine what she's going through now.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Police did find Cindy, and they found out that she
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: had actually taken a cab to the Big Timber Motel,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: so she was at a different location when they finally
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: caught up to her. Okay, but once they met up
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: with her, they met her in one of the rooms
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: at the hotel, where she sat there crying and still handcuffed.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: The police removed the handcuffs and took her to the
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: police station, where she provided a description of the man
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: who had abducted her. She also described the room she
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: had been held captive in inside his basement, and she
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: described the house of having many trophies of animals mounted
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: on the wall. Cindy then directed them the authorities to
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: the Merrillfield Airport and identified her abductor's airplane. That airplane
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: was registered to Robert Hanson.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Okay, there's no way he can getting himself out of
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: this shit.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: There is one detail that Cindy was able to provide
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: police that I just want to point out that makes
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Cindy our official badass of the door. If she's not already,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: just wait till you hear this. While she was still
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: back in the backseat of Robert's car before she ran
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: and took off, she left behind her blue shoes that
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: she was wearing. This way she could prove that that
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: was the car she was in the back seat of.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: There her shoes are left behind in that fucking car.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Wow. So that's like she's really thinking the fact that
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: she'd already been through such traumatic events that she's still
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: able to like be thinking to save her life and stuff. Right.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, she was able to think clearly leave behind evidence, yeah,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: to get him caught and then bring it forward to
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: the police.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Boom.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: So what do you think is going to be happening?
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: You're obsessed with her if he gets away with this shit,
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: like there's a problem, Like this has to be the
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: last straw.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: It just has to, you think.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: So it has to.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: While police went to question Robert, okay, and he even
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: left them into his house to look around and gave
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: him permission to enter.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: H What, Well, that's not good, okay, because that to
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: make and the police seem like he's innocent.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: That's exactly what he's after.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: So police were told by Cindy about the wooden post
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: in the basement and the chains shackled to it, the
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: animal trophies and everything. So Robert led him in, showed
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: him around in the wooden posts, and he was chained
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: to in the basement. No longer had the chains to it. Well,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Robert had already actually puttied and fixed up bolt holes
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: and chain damage from the chain by the time the
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: police had arrived.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: You'd smell that ship, though, are you just under renos
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: like him?
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Fix, I'm pissed again. Okay, keep going, you good, Yeah,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: but I'm very anxious to hear what the book.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Robert again began to play authorities, a sex worker's word
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: against his. Wait, nothing. He even had his hunting buddies,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: fellow churchgoers, bakery patrons who are willing to testify that
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Robert would never do these things. It was his word
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: against hers. Now, sure, he picked up Cindy, but rape like,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: how do you killing her? She's a sex worker, and
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: of course that they had sex.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Said that he picked her up.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: He admitted that, of course the shoes are in the
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: back of her car. Of course she knows what the
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: basement in the house looks like. She's a sex worker.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: Ah no, yes, okay, Well, she probably had to have
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: like some terrible bruising and like and shits.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: A sex they're a sex worker, prove it. Oh my,
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: that's the problem, and that's what he played on.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but that's the story. You have to believe.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Nothing could be proven, the blue shoes, the player. It
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: doesn't prove anything without physical evidence, and they had nothing.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: They had no physical evidence all because Robert did this before.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: And I'm not too sure if he did it in
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: this specific case, but what he had played before was saying, Okay,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: I thought it was a date. I thought we were
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: out on a date, and yes, we had sex. After sex,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: she demanded payment and I'm like, I'm not paying you.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: I thought this was a date. And from there she
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: threatens with rape. That's what he had pulled before, and
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: I'm sure he's probably pulling a similar thing in this case.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: So her accusations are just her way of trying to
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: get the two inter bucks from me that I so called.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Oh her, So this is like a smart molfo. He's smart.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Hey, he is manipulating, is what I'm going to say.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: He's a fucking ass.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: I can't believe that this isn't over.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: At this point, they had no evidence against Robert. That
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: is until one investigator searching Robert's house saw a recently
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: disturbed piece of insulation in Robert's attic. While searching m there,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: he found some jewelry belonging to miss missing and murdered women.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: I remember Robert had a hunting passion. He was a
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: hunter and collected trophies. These to him were trophies from
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: his kills. Ill.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, but good on that investigator, right, he wasn't believing
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: this molefho, He's doing his job. I like it.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: I like it now. They were able to identify specific
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: pieces of jewelry to specific murdered individuals that they had found,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: some of those that we had listened previously, which is huge.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: However, it still doesn't prove anything about him killing anyone.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Maybe he bought him from a pawnshop. Maybe they pawned
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: him off and then he bought him because they're sex workers.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Maybe they needed money. It doesn't prove anything.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: That looks so good.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: It looks guilty, but it doesn't prove he murdered anyone.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Is the pro.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: I know, I get it.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: What they're looking for is a smoking gun. They need
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: something to prove now. Luckily, there was something else that
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: they found while searching his house. There was a map
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: taped to the backside of his headboard on his bed.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: It was an aviation map covering the area over the
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Kinnick River where his cabin resided. But there was something
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: different about this map, in particular, it's.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: Sorry, it's such an interesting place to hide something I
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: never thought of that you'll.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Think of it now. Apparently, any idea what could have
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: been on this map?
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: I bet you it was like x's or crosses or
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: whatever where he left women dead women. Well, that's my guess.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: On this map there were a total of twenty four
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: x's scattered throughout locations. It didn't seem to make much
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: sense to authorities at first, but it took them a
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: couple of moments and then it connected because.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: They've found bodies in the sunny spots.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Probably they compared the map to a map they had
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: made of locations on where bodies were found in the
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: area so far, and the exes that they had matched
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: perfectly with the exes they had on Robert's map. It
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: was a map of where Robert had buried his victims.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: So A, that's the smoking gun. Yes, and B twenty four.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: Twenty four xes were made on that map.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: WHOA, yes, I'm not expected to be that kind of number,
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: my god.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Like you said, though, this is the smoking gun they
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: were looking for. This proves his involvement. This doesn't just
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: prove that he was associated. This proves he was involved,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: my goodness. So Robert was quickly taken into customs and
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: it wasn't before long that he decided he wanted to
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: come clean. He admitted to the rape and the murder
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: of the four individuals that they currently had, and that
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: they could put his name to right and in return,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: if he pled guilty, they would agree. Are you ready
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: for this?
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I am?
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Well, he would agree to help authorities find the bodies
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: of the remaining marked people on his map, if and
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: that's if there are no other charges for any further crimes,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: whether he was guilty or not, no matter what they found.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, but okay, that's not terrible.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Real quick to sum this up, just to make sure
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: we got this laid out flat. So Robert is being
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: charged with the four bodies that they currently have, ok
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: And he is pleading guilty to those charges. In return,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: he will help authorities locate the rest of the exes
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: he has murdered. He will help them locate their bodies.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: In return, he is basically free of charges from anything
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: they find from here on out.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: But my thought is that for rape and murder charges
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: is going to get you life in prison anyway, is
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: sort of my thought. Yeah, but it's still like for
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: the victims and their families and stuff, I think that's
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: kind of a pretty shitty deal probably.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: But the victim gets to come home. They're found this way.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: We're found because he wouldn't have helped probably trying to
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: find them other ways. But do they need his fucking help?
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: Already have this map with all these ringing x's.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: And shit, well that X might not show an exact spot,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: right it shows, Okay, it's in this valley. Good luck
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: searching and finding a body buried in that valley, right.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: I guess, I guess.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: So anyways, all parties agreed to this deal, and Robert
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: happily and I highlight happily showed the locations of hidden
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: bodies on the map because he was, in fact, happy, excited,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: almost as described to some of the authorities, who were involved.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: He was excited and happy to show the locations as
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: if proud of what he had done and proud of
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: the area, like a hunter showing and telling his hunting story.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: Huh they must. I just can only imagine what they're
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: thinking of this dude.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: So they would literally fly him into the area and
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: he would lead them to exactly exactly where the body
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: was buried. And I mean, like a parent to a tea.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: They did not have to dig an extra grave on
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: any of the bodies they exhumed. He said, here, they
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: dug there.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: There was a body that's like pretty good memory. Really yea,
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: he would have been good at the memory game.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Probably I was at that. So in total, Robert led
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: them to find a total of seventeen bodies that were
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: exes on the map. Okay, the remaining seven xes. Robert
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: denies killing and burying anyone in these.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: Locations, so he just has ran the exs on this map.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: I don't believe that.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: As it stands, Robert has a total and is officially responsible,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: officially on the record, responsible with seventeen known murders, thirty
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: one different rapes, one attempted murder, and one attempted rape,
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: for his four murders that he did get charged with.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: He was sentenced by jury to a total of four
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: hundred and sixty one years good plus life in prison
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: without the possibility of parole.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Okay, good, that's what I wanted to hear.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: And in August twenty first, twenty fourteen, Robert died of
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: natural causes at the age of seventy five behind bars.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: What year would you have gone to prison then to sorry,
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: that might be a question.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: I know, I didn't actually write that down when his
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: trial was that's.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Crazy that he because yeah, I don't know, but he
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: was youngerish, I guess when he was doing all this shit.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: I can scroll back here when was Cindy abducted again?
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Because it was three months after Cindy that he decided
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: to come clean. So it was June thirteenth, nineteen eighty
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: three when he picked up and kidnapped Cindy.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: And he died in twenty fourteen. Oh okay, okay, that's
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: actually a substantial amount of time in person. I for
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: some reason thought it wasn't okay.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: So the list of his victims include, but are not
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: limited to, Cecilia Beth van Zanton. She was an ex
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: on his map, but Robert denies killing her. Bullshit Megan
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Saban Emeric. She was also an ex in the map,
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: but Robert denies killing her. Mary Kathleen phil was also
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: an ex on Robert's map, but he denies killing her.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Unidentified a Clute Nott, Annie Jonah Messina, Roxanne Eastland, whose
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: body has never been found, Lisa Futrelle, Sherry Morrow, Andrea
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Altieri whose body has never been found. Sue Luna Robin Pelke,
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: whose identity was finally discovered in October of twenty twenty one.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, just two months ago. She had previously been
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: given the nickname Horseshoe Harriet.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Well and someone finally identified She's.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Finally been identified.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: Delynne Frey, Paula Golden, Malia Larson, Teresa Watson, Angela veteran,
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Tamara Pederson, Sorry, Cindy Paulson, who he kidnapped and raped,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: but she escaped and was subsequently the cause of his
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: capture and also our bass.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Of the Badass of the Day. I just have to
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: say I was almost said it during but I was like, no,
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: you need to read those lists through. Is like I'm sorry,
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: but like you know exactly where they're buried a dead
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: person and you didn't fucking kill them, Like, how is
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: that even? Like you just sound like an idiot.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's officially responsible for their death.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Oh totally. Yeah, if you know where they're buried and everything,
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: there's I cannot think of many reasons that you wouldn't
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: be their murderer, I know. So wow.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: So that is the story of Robert Hanson, the butcher Baker.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: That is wild. That is like a wild, awfully sad story.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm sorry it took us so long. It
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: gets part two for you guys. But the research was
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: a lot more in depth than I anticipated.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: We were hoping to have it out yesterday or the
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: day before, but we'll always get part two out before
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: the next episode airs, at least that.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Sometimes it's surprising how much research, like you don't
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: realize until like you're really in it.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: Yes, and I could have gotten a lot more in
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: depth with this if I wanted to. There's some details
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: and some explanations and stuff that I skipped over, But
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: I do highly recommend that if you want to learn more,
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: dive into it. It's a rabbit hole.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I could only imagine.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: So fuck Robert Hanson to Cindy the Badass of the
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: day and everyone else. All right, yeah, thanks for listening. Guys,
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