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Young Mom of 2 Goes Missing from NC Pub, Body Found Stabbed. Who Killed Allison? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, a beautiful young mom seemingly
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Speaker 1: disappears off the face of the earth than a twist
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Speaker 1: in the case. Why has Alison's case gone cold? In fact,
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Speaker 1: I don't think it has gone cold. I think that
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Speaker 1: authorities are simply not willing to act crime stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. You know, recently we heard a lot about
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Speaker 1: the Bill Cosby case, how the original prosecutor was basically
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Speaker 1: afraid to take the case to trial, afraid of a
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Speaker 1: David and Goliath scenario where he was David and Casey
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Speaker 1: was Goliath. Well, let's go to the end of that story.
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Speaker 1: David won the battle. David actually slew Goliath. My question
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Speaker 1: is why our district attorneys elected to do the right thing,
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Speaker 1: always win or lose, afraid to take on a case
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Speaker 1: they might maybe lose, instead of always and always seeking justice. Well,
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Speaker 1: let's find out. First of all, take a listen to this.
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Speaker 1: Before moving to Wilmington, North Carolina, Alison Jackson Foy enjoyed
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Speaker 1: working with children. She was a dance teacher at her
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Speaker 1: father's New York dance studio. She was also a gymnastics coach.
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Speaker 1: She married Michael Foy and the family Alison, Michael, and
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Speaker 1: their two daughters moved to Wilmington. Foy gets a job
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Speaker 1: at a local hotel and earns a promotion to assistant manager. Wow,
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Speaker 1: a dance teacher married, great job moving up within that too,
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Speaker 1: assistant general manager. That's not easy. You were just hearing
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Speaker 1: our friends at crime online dot com. So how does
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Speaker 1: Alison Jackson Foy suddenly go missing? Listen to our friend
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Speaker 1: Hannah Patrick Wway three. Alison was working the day she
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Speaker 1: went missing. She had left to work here and was
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Speaker 1: going to celebrate with a friend of hers, and so
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Speaker 1: they went to what was it's not anymore Junction Pub
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Speaker 1: at the time, Junction Pub was right here on Carolina
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Speaker 1: Beach Road. It is now known as Mad Cats. She
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Speaker 1: had a couple of glasses of wine. Her friend at
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Speaker 1: the time said to her, you know, you shouldn't drive home,
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Speaker 1: and she said, oh no, and he said, no, you
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Speaker 1: shouldn't trif home. Let me call you a cab. Then
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Speaker 1: Valentino says, the bartender called one for her. Somebody walked
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Speaker 1: in the barn, So I did someone call a cab
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Speaker 1: and they said, yeah, we did, And she walked out
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Speaker 1: with the cab driver and that was the last that
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Speaker 1: she was ever seen walk out to get a cab
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Speaker 1: and she's never seen alive again. You know, we just
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Speaker 1: recently cover the case of a young woman heading to
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Speaker 1: law school who was out celebrating the end of Underground
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Speaker 1: with her friends, goes out to get in her uber
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Speaker 1: and she's never seen alive again. In her case, there
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Speaker 1: was a resolution, and Allison's case not so much. Again,
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grays. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. I want to introduce to you an
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Speaker 1: all star panel joining me to make sense of it all.
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Speaker 1: Bob Buner, the former montaur County District Attorney and past
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Speaker 1: president of the Pennsylvania District Attorney's Association. And that is
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Speaker 1: not an easy thing to achieve. Doctor Jerry Crossen, Psychologist,
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Speaker 1: faculty Saint Leo Universe's a consultant author of Operation s
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Speaker 1: O S. Doctor Tim Gallagher medical examiner for the entire
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Speaker 1: state of Florida and you can find him at pathcaremed
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Speaker 1: dot com. Lecturer University Florida Medical School, Forensic Medicine and
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Speaker 1: founder and host of the International Forensic Medicine Death Investigation Conference.
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, founder and director of the Coldcase Research Institute
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Speaker 1: forensics expert. You can find her at Coldcasecrimes dot org.
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Speaker 1: Ben Shopman news director w h q R News, the
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Speaker 1: NPR affiliate in Wilmington, North Carolina, former editor Port City Daily,
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Speaker 1: and you can find him on Twitter at Ben Underscore Shopman.
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Speaker 1: But first, listen to our friends at ID. A thirty
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Speaker 1: four year old mother of two vanishes after a night out.
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Speaker 1: A detective coal masist just want to let you know
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Speaker 1: that your daughter, US missing detectives aren't convinced she's in danger.
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Speaker 1: All signs led to the likelihood that she had left
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Speaker 1: the area on her own. Accord you were hearing Alison's
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Speaker 1: dad speaking about right now joining me is Alison's sister.
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Speaker 1: This is Lisa A Valentino, who over time I feel
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Speaker 1: has become a friend. She has never given up on
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Speaker 1: finding the truth of what happened to her sister. Lisa
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Speaker 1: is now with q CUE Center for Missing Persons at
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Speaker 1: NC Missing Persons dot org. Lisa, thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us, Thank you for having me. You know, Lisa,
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Speaker 1: I know it gets exhausting to rehash the story of
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Speaker 1: your sister's disappearance, and I know that feeling to this day.
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Speaker 1: I hate it. When people bring up to me my
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Speaker 1: fiance's murder just before our wedding, and that was a
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Speaker 1: long long time ago. Now if I bring it up that,
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Speaker 1: I guess that means I'm milly and emotionally prepared to
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Speaker 1: talk about it. But when someone just asked me about
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Speaker 1: it out of the blue, it's like somebody throws cold
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Speaker 1: water on my face. And also after you talk about it,
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Speaker 1: it just leaves me feeling weary, weary and drained. And
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Speaker 1: I imagine it's the same thing for you. So I
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Speaker 1: specially want to thank you for being with us and
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Speaker 1: I want to take you back. Tell me how did
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Speaker 1: you learn Alison was missing? So my family and I
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Speaker 1: with my other brother and a sister and our children,
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Speaker 1: we were on a vacation to the White Mountains in
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Speaker 1: New Hampshire, which we had done every year, and we
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Speaker 1: were kind of out of touch with my dad for
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Speaker 1: that period of time for whatever reason, because I guess
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Speaker 1: you didn't want to bother us on vacation. I had
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Speaker 1: talked to my sister Alison the day before we went
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Speaker 1: on vacation because it was my daughter Emily's birthday, And
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Speaker 1: on our way back from New Hampshire, we get a
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Speaker 1: phone call from my father saying that there was a
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Speaker 1: message at the time his answering machine from Wilmington PD
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Speaker 1: stating that Allison had been missing. And so that's the
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Speaker 1: first we heard of it. And immediately the three of us,
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Speaker 1: my brother and sister and I made plants to drop
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Speaker 1: off our family and get on a plane that night
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Speaker 1: and head to Wilmington, And that's what we did. I
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Speaker 1: met my dad there and the four of us arrived
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Speaker 1: there together. You know, to doctor Jorry cross In psychologist
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Speaker 1: faculty Saint Leo University and author, doctor Jory, when people
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Speaker 1: are confronted with knees like this, your sister's missing, I'm projecting,
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Speaker 1: I know. But when I was told something horrible had
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Speaker 1: happened to Keith, it didn't seem real. I really didn't.
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Speaker 1: I couldn't take it in. And as the minutes past,
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Speaker 1: I convinced myself he wasn't dead, that he had just
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Speaker 1: been hurt, and that it must have been a car
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Speaker 1: crash and if I could just get to him, I
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Speaker 1: could fix it. I could find out what was going on.
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Speaker 1: I could sort the whole thing out. Why is that,
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Speaker 1: doctor Jory, Because we hear one thing, but we process
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Speaker 1: something completely different. Here she is on a vacation with
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Speaker 1: her family and she finds out her sister, her beloved
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Speaker 1: sister is missing. You know, it's all part of trying
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Speaker 1: to balance the trauma, the unknown, the tremendous amount of
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Speaker 1: stress that you know, now the reality isn't setting in
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Speaker 1: yet because you're still trying to process it. You're trying
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Speaker 1: to figure out what if? Where you know, where's the answers?
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Speaker 1: How else is this going to get resolved? Anytime we're
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Speaker 1: faced with ambiguity, you know that we can't resolve it.
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Speaker 1: It creates the anxiety and the stress, and unfortunately that's
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Speaker 1: you know, trauma is a wound d and that's a
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Speaker 1: psychological wound that sometimes you never I think to you,
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Speaker 1: Cheryl mccollum'm director of the Cold Case Research Institute. You
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Speaker 1: and I've dealt with a lot of cases and a
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Speaker 1: lot of crime victims, and I think it's so out
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Speaker 1: of the ordinary, and it's so bizarre for people to
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Speaker 1: learn their husband, their sister, they're just missing. It's I
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Speaker 1: don't think people are emotionally I don't think we're actually wired,
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Speaker 1: hardwired to take in that kind of news. No, I agree,
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Speaker 1: and I think It's one of those things where you
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Speaker 1: know your mind protects you from that, so you slowly
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Speaker 1: come to the realization of what is actually happening. So
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Speaker 1: I think it's actually kind of a gift that you
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Speaker 1: can't accept things so traumatic instantly. Crime Stories with Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace back out to Lisa and Valentino. This is Alison's
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Speaker 1: sister who has kept her case alive. Do you remember
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Speaker 1: what it was like? I'm projecting again, but I remember
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Speaker 1: I had just gotten the twins to New York to
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Speaker 1: go ice skating, and we had gotten there, I got
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Speaker 1: them unpacked, bathed in the bed, and I got a
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Speaker 1: call from my mom that they were putting my dad
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Speaker 1: on life support. And I remember frantically trying to get
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Speaker 1: them dressed. And it was midnight and I was out
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Speaker 1: on the street in New York with the children, and
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Speaker 1: I was trying to hail a cab to get to
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Speaker 1: any airport to try to get home. Do you remember
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Speaker 1: what it was like trying to get to Wilmington. I do.
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Speaker 1: And I also remember the moment that my father told
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Speaker 1: me that she was missing, that I had this sinking
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Speaker 1: feeling that she was no longer alive. I don't know
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Speaker 1: why I felt that, But I felt that from almost
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Speaker 1: the beginning, although I pushed that to the side and
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Speaker 1: again went through and went on this trip, and I
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Speaker 1: just I think it's like you say, I almost I
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Speaker 1: just I couldn't believe actually what I was hearing, and
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Speaker 1: how does this happen to us? Type of thing? And
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Speaker 1: then you know that feeling of helplessness and not even
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Speaker 1: knowing what to do. But somehow we just have to
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Speaker 1: go there and be there and try to figure it
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Speaker 1: all out. You know, Bob Beinger is joining me, former
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Speaker 1: Montower County District Attorney, former president of the Pennsylvania District
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Speaker 1: Attorney's Association. By Binger. You know, it is so difficult
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Speaker 1: dealing with crime victims families, especially when they're blindsided with
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Speaker 1: news like this, when you know a loved one as
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Speaker 1: having as living a very risky lifestyle like they're doing drugs,
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Speaker 1: which means they're buying drugs from a dope dealer, or
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Speaker 1: they have a life of crime where they're in danger
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Speaker 1: all the time, or they do something perilous for work.
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Speaker 1: It's the pay is no less, but they've got to
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Speaker 1: have an inkling that danger is lurking when you've got
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Speaker 1: a mom health the young mom who is not living
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Speaker 1: a risky lifestyle is moving up in her business. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's even more of a shock. It's very hard dealing
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Speaker 1: with crime victims, families victims like this. It sure is
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Speaker 1: a Nancy end. And so you have that period of
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Speaker 1: what if that you have to go through with crime victims.
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Speaker 1: You know, there's a disappearance, but there's that great on
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Speaker 1: known out there as to what really happened. And the
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Speaker 1: only thing exactly the only thing not knowing, yes, And
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Speaker 1: the only thing you can do is to promise as
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Speaker 1: a prosecutor, an elected district attorney, is to do everything
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Speaker 1: in your power to bring closure and finality to the victims. Family.
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Speaker 1: Joining me right now is a news director or whq R,
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Speaker 1: the NPR affiliate there in Wilmington. Ben tell me about
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Speaker 1: this place where she goes missing. She was out celebrating.
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Speaker 1: Then what happened? I mean, that's the most important question, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: The junction pub was. I actually used to go there
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Speaker 1: back in the day. You know, it was kind of
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Speaker 1: a dive. A cab driver, Timothy craig Anuni picked her up,
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Speaker 1: and that's the last we're we hear from her. So
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Speaker 1: how did Alison get reported missing? Listen? They said to us,
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Speaker 1: we received the phone call from her husband that she
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Speaker 1: hasn't come home and that you know, he doesn't know
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Speaker 1: where where she is. And the last place we know
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Speaker 1: she was seeing was out of place called Junction Pub
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Speaker 1: and Billiards after she finished a shift at work. Alison
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Speaker 1: had just gotten a new job. She was assistant manager
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Speaker 1: of a holiday inn here in town, and she supposedly
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Speaker 1: had gotten out to celebrate after work with a friend
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Speaker 1: of hers. They found her car at the establishments I
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Speaker 1: think a couple of days later. Lisa, we are hearing
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Speaker 1: from you what exactly happened that we know of to
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Speaker 1: your sister Alison. But am I understanding her husband is
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Speaker 1: the one that reported her missing? That's correct, her husband
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Speaker 1: is the one who reported her missing. Did he call
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Speaker 1: around to find out? But wait, wait? Wait? Did you
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Speaker 1: live near her at the time? So no, I lived
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Speaker 1: in New Jersey, right, and my dad and the rest
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Speaker 1: of my family were in New York, were Delaware, and
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Speaker 1: she was in William So there was no need to
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Speaker 1: call around and go, hey, is she over there? Have
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Speaker 1: you seen her? Have you here? Okay? Because at first
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Speaker 1: I thought that was a little suspicious, but now I
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Speaker 1: understand he directly called nine one one straight back out
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Speaker 1: to Lisa Valentino, this is Alison's sister. How did police
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Speaker 1: respond to your inquiries at the beginning when also went missing? Oh? Well,
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Speaker 1: I have to say that it was not great. They
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Speaker 1: took us to the police department. They sat us down
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Speaker 1: in a room and they basically told us that they
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Speaker 1: thought she had walked away, that she had done this
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Speaker 1: of her own accord and of her her own will,
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Speaker 1: and my father and I immediately said, well, that's not Allison.
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Speaker 1: If she was going to do this, as she would
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Speaker 1: have taken her children with her and be she would
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Speaker 1: have called me or my father or someone had said, look,
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Speaker 1: this is my plan, I'm leaving. I'm going off the
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Speaker 1: grid for a bit and you know, just leave me
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Speaker 1: alone for a little while. But she would have been
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Speaker 1: in touch. You know, I want to go to you.
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCullum found her and director of the Cold Case
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Speaker 1: Research Institute. Why why, for Pete's sake when women got missing?
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Speaker 1: Still to this day, law enforcing goes up. She's just
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Speaker 1: out with her boyfriend. You know. One of the last
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Speaker 1: times I heard that was when Stacy Peterson went missing.
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Speaker 1: Remember her? A lot of people have forgotten her. I haven't.
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Speaker 1: That was Juwe Peterson's fourth wife. One the second or
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Speaker 1: third wife, Kathleen Savio ends up dead, drowned and a
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Speaker 1: bone dry bathtub covered in bruises, and then Stacy goes missing.
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Speaker 1: And to this day, if I asked j Peterson will say, oh,
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Speaker 1: she's out with her boyfriend. What boyfriend? She's gonna leave
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Speaker 1: her children to go be with a boyfriend nobody's ever
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Speaker 1: heard of? So why it literally drives me mad. Again,
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Speaker 1: if you look at the victim and you do the
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Speaker 1: victimology first, which they should do in Indian investigation, what
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Speaker 1: they would find in this case. And in most cases,
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Speaker 1: women do not leave their children behind because they're in
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Speaker 1: a marriage they don't want to be in any longer.
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Speaker 1: Everybody listening to this show right now knows twenty women
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Speaker 1: that have gotten a divorce. Not one of them took
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Speaker 1: up powder and left their kids somewhere. Not one. So
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Speaker 1: if you look at what happened here with Alison, she
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Speaker 1: had a loving family, she had children that she adored.
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Speaker 1: She didn't take any money, she didn't take herself. Who
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Speaker 1: didn't she didn't take her car, she didn't take any clothes,
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Speaker 1: she didn't have a lover. So you're you're not looking
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Speaker 1: at the totality of this person. You're just saying, oh,
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Speaker 1: she was at a bar. Oh, well, she must have
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Speaker 1: just walked away to go where it's not plausible. Didn't
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Speaker 1: happen straight out to Ben Schotman joining us in WHQR. Ben,
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Speaker 1: then the case takes quite a twist. Tell me about
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Speaker 1: the remains that were discovered. Yeah, that was in April
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Speaker 1: of two thousand and eight. Allison's remains were found on
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Speaker 1: the pose of Angela Nibbles Roffinum near On Carolina Betroade.
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Speaker 1: Both had you know, a fatal nape wounds. You don't
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Speaker 1: want to follow up upon that to doctor Tim Gallagher,
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Speaker 1: the medical examiner for the entire state of Florida. You
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Speaker 1: can find me at pathcaremad dot com. Doctor Gallagher. With
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Speaker 1: that amount of time passing, how could they still determine
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Speaker 1: death was by knife wound? Well, if you look at
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Speaker 1: the remains, and most of the time at for that
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Speaker 1: amount of time passing, it would be the skeletal remains.
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Speaker 1: You can find the butcher marks that the knife makes
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Speaker 1: on the bones themselves. And you can determine if that
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Speaker 1: was happening while they were alive, while they were deceased,
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Speaker 1: and you can use those marks, those butcher marks on
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Speaker 1: the bones determine what the manner of death and the
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Speaker 1: cause of death would be. So stabbings, stabbing would leave
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Speaker 1: the would call them curf marks from the knife on
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Speaker 1: the bone, and that would give us our cause of death.
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Speaker 1: Can nick, right, it would be a nick or a
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Speaker 1: slice or a bladed mark that the knife leaves on
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Speaker 1: the bone. And if it's a say a rib bone
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Speaker 1: or a spine or even a skull, you know that
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Speaker 1: that could not have happened after their death from like say,
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Speaker 1: animal predation or injuries that occurred after their death. So you, specifically,
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Speaker 1: doctor Gallagher, can look at a bone and her she
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Speaker 1: went missing July thirty, two thousand and six. Her body
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Speaker 1: was found almost two years later April two thousand and eight.
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Speaker 1: You could look at a bone and determine whether a
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Speaker 1: nick in the bone was caused by a bullet, by
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Speaker 1: a knife, or by animal predation. You can look at
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Speaker 1: it and tell that how oh, absolutely, there's an entire
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Speaker 1: field dedicated to that forensic anthropology, and that the forensic
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Speaker 1: anthropologist has the technical skill and the training to determine that.
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Speaker 1: If you see a mark on the bone that is
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Speaker 1: not natural, that is very very angular, and there is
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Speaker 1: no healing, there is no healing process going on, then
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Speaker 1: you know that that had occurred at around they called
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Speaker 1: the perimortem period, or about the time that they died.
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Speaker 1: If there is teeth marks, if there is gnawing, if
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Speaker 1: there is other damage to the bone caused by animals,
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Speaker 1: we could even determine what animal it was by the
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Speaker 1: prints that it left on the bone, by the evidence
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Speaker 1: that it's left on the bone. So if a forensic
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Speaker 1: anthropologist or a medical examiner determined that they have knife
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Speaker 1: wounds on the bone, I would be strongly in favor
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Speaker 1: of that manner of exampan contrapt crime stories with Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace to Bob, you know, joining me if we're Montour
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Speaker 1: County District Attorney. You know, Bob, it would take me
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Speaker 1: hours with a medical examiner like doctor Tim Gallagher to
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Speaker 1: break down what he just said in a way that
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Speaker 1: not only I could understand it, but a jury could
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Speaker 1: understand it. And I always try to make it like
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Speaker 1: stories that are understandable to both me and the jury.
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Speaker 1: For instance, if a bullet were to crack through a
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Speaker 1: bone or a let's just say the side of your car,
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Speaker 1: it cracks around it. It's not just the entry. It
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Speaker 1: destroys a certain amount around it the bullet entry. If
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Speaker 1: an animal, I remember seeing a bag of I guess
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Speaker 1: it was potato chips that were sealed and left somewhere,
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Speaker 1: but a little mouse had been gnawing on them, and
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Speaker 1: you could see, actually see the little naw marks on
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Speaker 1: the bag. So you compare those two and with a
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Speaker 1: knife you see a slant, you may actually see a slant,
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Speaker 1: or you see where the point of the knife hit
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Speaker 1: the bone. So all three of those will look completely differently.
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Speaker 1: So you have to break it down like that or
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Speaker 1: make it explainable to a jury. Look, you and I
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Speaker 1: just have JD's. Gallagher has got an MD. So somehow
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Speaker 1: you got to decipher all that for a jury, and Nancy,
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Speaker 1: the way to do it is through photographs and a
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Speaker 1: sort of a chronological explanation of the autopsy and going
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Speaker 1: back and forth between a person like doctor Gallagher who
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Speaker 1: can easily relate to a jury, and the photographs that
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Speaker 1: are projected to the jury in the Yeah, a slide show.
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Speaker 1: You know, slide shows are always the way to go.
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Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, you know, to be in shopman joining
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Speaker 1: us w HQR. Tell me about the circumstances surrounding the
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Speaker 1: discovery of Alison's remains. Was she buried? Was I know
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Speaker 1: it was near a row, but was a wooded area?
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Speaker 1: Was she just thrown along the side of the freeway
23:21
Speaker 1: as I've seen in many cases, which suggests she was
23:24
Speaker 1: thrown out of a car? She said she was there
23:26
Speaker 1: with another set of remains or the two connected. They
23:30
Speaker 1: have to be tell me. Early on there was actually
23:33
Speaker 1: some discussion that this could have been the work of
23:35
Speaker 1: a serial killer, just because of some of the similarities.
23:39
Speaker 1: It was set off back off the road, so there
23:42
Speaker 1: was some real concern there, and I think that sort
23:44
Speaker 1: of coincided when police started taking this case at least
23:48
Speaker 1: a bit more seriously. What do you mean started taking
23:50
Speaker 1: the case a bit more seriously. Wells, as Lisa told you,
23:54
Speaker 1: you know, early on, an officer had told her that
23:58
Speaker 1: they expected to find Alpin with me eels in her arms.
24:00
Speaker 1: You know, they thought that this was um, you know,
24:03
Speaker 1: drug related, or you know, they didn't. They weren't treating
24:06
Speaker 1: this like a homicide, certainly, but this boy, well I
24:10
Speaker 1: stopped just a second man. Why would they say that
24:12
Speaker 1: about Alison callousness? That's a good question. Um. It seemed
24:17
Speaker 1: to have been a pet theory of some of the
24:19
Speaker 1: officers who were working the case early on. Lisa, did
24:21
Speaker 1: she have any history of that? I mean not to
24:24
Speaker 1: my knowledge. She was, she was the breadwinner in the family,
24:27
Speaker 1: she was taking care of her kids. I get it, Lisa.
24:32
Speaker 1: Why would they say, oh, she's just slung up with
24:34
Speaker 1: another man, or she's probably a dope. She was none
24:37
Speaker 1: of that. I mean, again, there were issues, there were
24:39
Speaker 1: problems in her marriage, but again I had just seen
24:43
Speaker 1: her two weeks prior to this. She certainly wasn't using
24:46
Speaker 1: while she was staying in my own So I mean
24:49
Speaker 1: that was you know, that was the whole thing, the
24:52
Speaker 1: whole time, trying to get them to believe they had
24:54
Speaker 1: this idea of who she was, and I was trying
24:57
Speaker 1: to say her, yes, yes, she went through hard time,
25:00
Speaker 1: there was some struggle, but you know, again I never
25:03
Speaker 1: saw her using anything. You know, Cheryl, why is this
25:08
Speaker 1: why when a woman goes missing, she's immediately trashed, dragged
25:13
Speaker 1: through the mud. She's either sleeping around or oh, she
25:16
Speaker 1: suddenly has become a drug user and she's outscoring drugs.
25:20
Speaker 1: Why why does a woman's reputation have to be totally destroyed?
25:27
Speaker 1: Why don't they just get off their rear ends and
25:28
Speaker 1: go look for and again if they would do the investigation,
25:33
Speaker 1: all you had to do is taught to a few
25:35
Speaker 1: people she worked with, her husband and her family, and
25:39
Speaker 1: you would know this is not what we're dealing with,
25:41
Speaker 1: not at all. So just do an investigation. Forget what
25:45
Speaker 1: you think about this person that you've never met, Forget
25:49
Speaker 1: the conclusion that you're drawing based on God forbid, a
25:53
Speaker 1: woman goes and has a drink at a bar without
25:55
Speaker 1: her husband, and suddenly you've got her in this whole
26:00
Speaker 1: scenario of negativity that is not factually accurate. To Ben Shopman,
26:06
Speaker 1: let me ask a couple of rapid fire questions. Was
26:09
Speaker 1: her body buried? I don't believe so. Wasn't a wooded area?
26:13
Speaker 1: It was near wooded area along that Carolina Beach Road area.
26:17
Speaker 1: Was it near the side of the road that I
26:19
Speaker 1: don't remember exactly how far it was from the road.
26:21
Speaker 1: Let me got a Lisa Valentine. I was it Lisa No,
26:24
Speaker 1: it was it's back behind an abandoned restaurant. It was
26:27
Speaker 1: a cutthrough the people. Use what it was a cutthrough
26:31
Speaker 1: a lot of people. So it was back behind an
26:33
Speaker 1: abandoned restaurant off of Carolina Beach Road. It was fairly wooded,
26:38
Speaker 1: but on the other side there was a cell tower
26:40
Speaker 1: and all this other stuff, and people would cut through.
26:44
Speaker 1: In fact, that's how she was fined. It was a
26:46
Speaker 1: passer by or cutting through the woods to get to work.
26:48
Speaker 1: Who saw the bones and the remains. So she was
26:50
Speaker 1: not buried, No, she was lest lest Her clothes were
26:54
Speaker 1: still there, her jewelry was still there. All of that
26:56
Speaker 1: was still there when she was recovered. Wow. And how
27:00
Speaker 1: far away was the other murder victim? Oh, maybe a
27:04
Speaker 1: foot or two. The interesting thing about the other murder
27:08
Speaker 1: victim if she went missing a year after Alison. Wow. Okay,
27:12
Speaker 1: let's digest that. Cheryl McCollum, what does that mean. I
27:15
Speaker 1: think it means you've got a serial killer and this
27:17
Speaker 1: is clearly his dumping ground. You've got two bodies that
27:20
Speaker 1: were in feet of each other. One passer buyer found
27:23
Speaker 1: the bones, So you've got bones that are visible to
27:26
Speaker 1: anybody that would be in that area. Both the bodies
27:29
Speaker 1: were also Nancy in a little ravine, so they weren't
27:34
Speaker 1: hidden and they weren't buried. But if you were just
27:36
Speaker 1: scanning the landscape, you wouldn't have seen them. But they
27:39
Speaker 1: were not hidden. What more do we know about the
27:42
Speaker 1: discovery of Alison's remains? Take a lesson to our cut sixteen.
27:46
Speaker 1: This is Hannah Patrick Wway three. In April two thousand
27:51
Speaker 1: and eight, Valentino says remains were found about a mile
27:54
Speaker 1: and a half away from where she went missing. The
27:56
Speaker 1: particular place where she was found it was like a
28:00
Speaker 1: cut through and it was also I think a known
28:03
Speaker 1: place where like guys took prostitutes. So someone was passing
28:07
Speaker 1: by and they saw two sets of remains. While waiting
28:10
Speaker 1: to get DNA results, Valentino made a trip to Wilmington.
28:13
Speaker 1: I felt like I needed to see the place where
28:16
Speaker 1: she last was, and so when we went to the site,
28:19
Speaker 1: more sets of remains were found that you found. Yes,
28:23
Speaker 1: me and my friend and Monica when we went to
28:25
Speaker 1: visit the site, and those remains ended up being Allison's.
28:30
Speaker 1: So in finding Allison's remains, the remains of another woman,
28:35
Speaker 1: Angela Nobles, is found, but that's not all. Take a
28:39
Speaker 1: listen to our cut eight from News fourteen. The family
28:43
Speaker 1: of a woman whose remains were found in Wilmington two
28:45
Speaker 1: years ago returned to that area to follow up with investigators.
28:48
Speaker 1: Alison Jackson Foy's father and sister talked with the district
28:51
Speaker 1: attorney and police about the case. Thursday. Her remains were
28:55
Speaker 1: found in a wooded area off of Carolina Beach Road,
28:57
Speaker 1: alongside the remains of another woman, Angela Rothen in two
29:00
Speaker 1: thousand and eight. So far, no arrests have been made. Now,
29:04
Speaker 1: family members are concerned that just last month, the remains
29:07
Speaker 1: of another woman for Scilla Rogers Or found a few
29:09
Speaker 1: miles away from the other crime scene. Anytime they find
29:13
Speaker 1: a body and I always follow everything very closely in
29:16
Speaker 1: the Wilmington Here news, it's always like, oh, my gosh,
29:19
Speaker 1: could this be connected, especially when it's in close proximity
29:22
Speaker 1: to where my sister and Angela were found. Valentino says
29:26
Speaker 1: authorities assured her that they're exploring all leads and they're
29:29
Speaker 1: not ruling out any possibilities. The family recently started the
29:32
Speaker 1: Alison Jackson four Memorial Fund. All donations go to the
29:36
Speaker 1: Q Center from Missing Persons which is based in Wilmington.
29:39
Speaker 1: So now I've got three dead bodies in the space
29:43
Speaker 1: of just a few miles, all three of them the
29:47
Speaker 1: victims very very similar time stories with Nancy Grace to
30:07
Speaker 1: Bob bun Or, a former Montera County District Attorney, what's
30:12
Speaker 1: going on and why hasn't there been a prosecution. It's
30:15
Speaker 1: because of the incredible reluctance of the new Hanover County
30:22
Speaker 1: District Attorney, mister David, to either convene a grand jury
30:26
Speaker 1: or to instruct the police, the Wilmington Police Department, to
30:30
Speaker 1: file charges. Okay, let me understand something, Bob being or
30:35
Speaker 1: it's my understanding. The last time we know Alison was
30:38
Speaker 1: seen alive was when she got in the cab. We
30:41
Speaker 1: even have a description of a guy coming in saying, hey,
30:44
Speaker 1: did anybody call a cab? She goes me and she
30:47
Speaker 1: left with this guy. We've even got a description. Has
30:50
Speaker 1: he been cleared. No, he has not been cleared. As
30:53
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, in I think two thousand and seven, Nancy,
30:58
Speaker 1: he was with another obstitute within a hundred yards of
31:02
Speaker 1: where Allison's body and Miss Rawlin's body were found, and
31:07
Speaker 1: the woman alleged that he tried the raper in that area,
31:11
Speaker 1: and he has had other criminal charges and convictions in
31:15
Speaker 1: his background since then. So there's an amazing set of
31:19
Speaker 1: coincidences that really, I think cry out for a grand jury.
31:23
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the coincidences. To Lisa Valentino, this is
31:28
Speaker 1: Allison's sister joining us today. What are the coincidences, because
31:32
Speaker 1: a lot of people would call those coincidences evidence of guilt.
31:37
Speaker 1: What are the so called coincidences regarding this cab driver. Well, yeah,
31:44
Speaker 1: I guess. So we have always believed that Allison was
31:47
Speaker 1: kind of in the wrong place at the wrong time,
31:49
Speaker 1: and that this person of interests who you know, Timothy
31:53
Speaker 1: iron One, you know, thought she was someone or something
31:58
Speaker 1: that she wasn't. As far as I know, Angela Rothon
32:03
Speaker 1: had had some issues. Then. I guess what's known about
32:08
Speaker 1: him is he used to pick up people for sex,
32:11
Speaker 1: and so for years they tried to connect Alison to
32:15
Speaker 1: those two women and they were never able to hold
32:19
Speaker 1: on just a minute, let me understand something that you
32:21
Speaker 1: just said, Lisa Valentino, Alison's sister. So the cab driver
32:26
Speaker 1: that we know picked up your sister the last night
32:29
Speaker 1: she was seen alive, has a history of being with
32:34
Speaker 1: hookers and was found with a hooker about one hundred
32:39
Speaker 1: yards from where your sister's body was found, and that
32:42
Speaker 1: hooker says he tried to rape her. Yes, in fact,
32:45
Speaker 1: they she was duct taped in his cab. She managed
32:50
Speaker 1: to get free and police came and arrested him. But
32:55
Speaker 1: at the time, this woman, her name is Sonia Williams,
33:00
Speaker 1: she didn't show up for the court date because of
33:02
Speaker 1: issues she had privately and personally going on in her life.
33:05
Speaker 1: And so he pleaded to a lesser crime, crimes against niazure,
33:10
Speaker 1: and he was released. Okay, when you set crimes against nature,
33:14
Speaker 1: could you be more specific? I guess that's what they
33:16
Speaker 1: call it, right, I'm not I don't. I don't know that.
33:19
Speaker 1: Just the North Carolina Statute for a world sex oral sex.
33:23
Speaker 1: That's a crime against nature? And speaking is that Ben
33:27
Speaker 1: or Bossy? Okay, she's duck tape and says he tried
33:31
Speaker 1: to rape her, yes, and he's a hundred Did this
33:34
Speaker 1: happens one hundred yards from where your sister's body's found
33:37
Speaker 1: along with another woman? Cheryl McCollum. Can somebody explain to
33:41
Speaker 1: me what's going on? I mean, he just happens to
33:45
Speaker 1: me one hundred yards from where her body's found, and
33:48
Speaker 1: he's the last one seen with her, right So you
33:51
Speaker 1: have two dead bodies right there and a third woman
33:55
Speaker 1: attacked within yards, within yards, Nancy. And when law enforcement
34:01
Speaker 1: catches up to him and they see the duct tape
34:03
Speaker 1: and the hammer and some other things in his car,
34:06
Speaker 1: he literally refers to it as a rape kit, doesn't he, Lisa,
34:11
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, I think that that was
34:14
Speaker 1: found years later when he was on Rightsville Beach. That's
34:22
Speaker 1: that even happened years later. So he just denies. Are
34:27
Speaker 1: you talking about him having a rape kit? Correct? Okay?
34:32
Speaker 1: And to you, Bobby, and could you explain what is
34:34
Speaker 1: a rape kit? A rape kit is various things such
34:38
Speaker 1: as items to immobilize a victim. There would be things
34:43
Speaker 1: like condoms, duct tape, even weapons to cracker skull or
34:51
Speaker 1: things of that nature. Do you know that Allison was
34:55
Speaker 1: stabbed between twenty seven and forty times. I find it
35:01
Speaker 1: very difficult to believe doctor Tim Gallagher that she was
35:06
Speaker 1: not raped and then murdered because her jewelry was still
35:11
Speaker 1: on her, so she wasn't robbed. I believe the husband
35:20
Speaker 1: who ends up calling reporting her missing is going to
35:23
Speaker 1: be ruled out. It's hard for me to believe doctor
35:27
Speaker 1: Gallagher that there is not some type of evidence on
35:31
Speaker 1: her body. No DNA, no epiphilial skin cells, no nothing. Well,
35:36
Speaker 1: you know, also determines how long she's been exposed to
35:39
Speaker 1: the environment before they found her. You know, a lot
35:42
Speaker 1: of that stuff could have degraded, a lot of that
35:44
Speaker 1: stuff could no longer exist. If her remains were skeletal remains,
35:48
Speaker 1: then there would be no soft tissue for the cells
35:51
Speaker 1: to exist upon. Yeah, you know, So it just depends
35:55
Speaker 1: on how decomposed the body was as to the success
35:59
Speaker 1: in finding any of their DNA material. Bob explained to
36:03
Speaker 1: me why this case isn't moving forward, especially with a
36:06
Speaker 1: similar transaction attempting to rape a hooker a hundred yards
36:13
Speaker 1: from her body. Well, let me also say there's another
36:16
Speaker 1: amazing coincidence that's not been spoken about. The wife of
36:21
Speaker 1: mister iron One reported him to a private detective as
36:26
Speaker 1: being a suspect in the disappearance and murder of Allison.
36:32
Speaker 1: So when you add it all up, I can't understand
36:36
Speaker 1: why District Attorney David hasn't done one of two things.
36:39
Speaker 1: Either convened an investigative grand jury or referred this matter
36:44
Speaker 1: to the Attorney General of North Carolina if he is
36:47
Speaker 1: reluctant to prosecute you know, I want to explore something
36:49
Speaker 1: that you just said, that his own wife reported him
36:54
Speaker 1: as a suspect in Allison's murderer. What do we know
36:57
Speaker 1: about that, Lisa Valentino, Oh, I've I've spoken with Susan
37:01
Speaker 1: Irononi multiple times. Yes, this was the place that he
37:07
Speaker 1: and his wife used to shoot pool at. The bartenders
37:12
Speaker 1: had his private cell number at the pub, and I
37:16
Speaker 1: guess one day she went in and she heard all
37:18
Speaker 1: these regulars talking about how her husband was responsible for
37:22
Speaker 1: Alison going missing. And our private investigator also had a
37:26
Speaker 1: radio show at the time still does, called Blue Line Radio,
37:30
Speaker 1: and she called into she called she called him, not
37:33
Speaker 1: his radio. She she called him and said, what is
37:36
Speaker 1: this that I hear that you are all accusing my
37:38
Speaker 1: husband Tim having to do something with Alison Foy going missing.
37:44
Speaker 1: And she had also emailed me and reached out and said,
37:47
Speaker 1: I'm a regular at the bar. Please know that I'm
37:50
Speaker 1: praying that they find your sister. So the private investigator
37:57
Speaker 1: took it from there and that's how he came on
37:59
Speaker 1: the radar was from his wife, Benn Shopman, joining us
38:02
Speaker 1: to bhq R. Where does the case stand now? It is,
38:05
Speaker 1: for all intents and purposes, a cold case. We've heard
38:09
Speaker 1: from multiple people at the wonging Tin Police Apartment. They
38:11
Speaker 1: believe Timothy Iamy is responsible for Angela Ruston and Alson
38:16
Speaker 1: Jackson Foy. And the way the wong Tin Police Apartment
38:19
Speaker 1: works with the District Attorney's office, they could legally make
38:23
Speaker 1: an arrest, but the DA has basically squashed that. That's
38:27
Speaker 1: our understanding. So unless you know the other guests is
38:31
Speaker 1: totally right, and unless Ben David either does kenvene in
38:33
Speaker 1: grandjury or hands it off to the state, it's not
38:36
Speaker 1: going to go anywhere, which is obviously heartbreaking for the
38:39
Speaker 1: For Lisa in her family, we wait and pray for
38:42
Speaker 1: justice too unfold and the murder of young mom Alison
38:47
Speaker 1: Jackson Foy. If you have information, please call three zero
38:53
Speaker 1: two five seven six three nine nine zero repeat three zero,
38:59
Speaker 1: two five seven six three nine nine zero. It's never
39:05
Speaker 1: too late for justice to take place. There is no
39:10
Speaker 1: statute of limitations on murder. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off,
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Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,