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10-year-old little girl missing five days. Help us find Breasia Terrell! · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: A ten year old little girl goes missing. What happened
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  Speaker 1: to brie Asia and what is being done about her case?
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I'm Nancy Grace, and I
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  Speaker 1: want to thank you for being with us here. Take
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  Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at k w Q CTV six.
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  Speaker 1: Police have not released a lot of information on what
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  Speaker 1: the situation is here. They told us that ten year
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  Speaker 1: old brie Asia Terrell has not been seen since the
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  Speaker 1: early hours this morning. She was lost reported seen in
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  Speaker 1: the area of East fifty third Street in the early hours.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't say what time she was last seen or
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  Speaker 1: what was the circumstances at the time, So there are
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  Speaker 1: a lot of unanswered question here. We are working to
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  Speaker 1: find out, you know, if there's anything more to this,
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  Speaker 1: but all I've said at this time is that she
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  Speaker 1: was last seen wearing a white T shirt, shorts and
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  Speaker 1: flip flops. They are asking anyone who has information on
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  Speaker 1: her whereabouts to call nine one one again. We are
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  Speaker 1: in the area of East fifty third Street by Laurent
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  Speaker 1: and av And this is where police say she was
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  Speaker 1: last seen in the early hours of this morning. You know,
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  Speaker 1: my children are twelve, My twins, John David and Lucy.
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking about them at age ten. If they were lost,
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  Speaker 1: they really, as much as I've tried to drill it
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  Speaker 1: into them, they really wouldn't know what to do. They're
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  Speaker 1: completely defenseless. And I'm thinking of her and her little
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  Speaker 1: shorts and her white T shirt and her flip flops,
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  Speaker 1: and the pictures of Brasia that I look at. She's
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  Speaker 1: just the prettiest little girl with the big, beautiful, perfect smile,
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  Speaker 1: very photogenic. And in the midst of COVID nineteen and
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  Speaker 1: Gill and Max Small and all the news stories that
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  Speaker 1: are hitting the headlines, somehow this little girl has gotten
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  Speaker 1: lost in the sauce, a ten year old, defenseless little girl. Again,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Let me give you
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  Speaker 1: the tip line right off the top. It's three zero
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  Speaker 1: nine seven to six two ninety five hundred. Three zero
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  Speaker 1: nine seven six two ninety five hundred. Got an all
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  Speaker 1: star panel with me to break it down and put
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  Speaker 1: it back together again. First of all, Jason Ocean's attorney
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  Speaker 1: joining us with the Tri State Area in New York,
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  Speaker 1: New Jersey. He's weighing in not only that doctor Angela Arnold,
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  Speaker 1: renowned psychiatrists, joining me out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. Karen
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  Speaker 1: Smith joining me from LA forensics expert. We met on
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  Speaker 1: a rect recreation of a crime scene. Host of Shattered
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  Speaker 1: sold and joining you right now. Special guests from the
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  Speaker 1: Quad City Times, Davenport, Iowa. Reporter Tom Lowe, Tom Loowie.
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  Speaker 1: Let me start at the beginning. Who is this little girl,
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  Speaker 1: bree Asia. This little girl is a basketball player. She's
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  Speaker 1: a typical ten year old. She's really into social social
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  Speaker 1: media and likes to make dance videos with her mom. Tom,
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  Speaker 1: can I ask you a question, do you have children?
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  Speaker 1: I have a thirteen year old in my wife. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: So you know when you say a typical ten year old,
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  Speaker 1: now I know that you know what we're talking about.
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  Speaker 1: When you're saying making dance videos. My daughter, my little
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  Speaker 1: Lucy is constantly making dance videos there. She's really good too,
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  Speaker 1: But I mean it's constant. There's TikTok, there's just so many.
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  Speaker 1: And that's the thing right now, making dance videos. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking at bree Asia. She's stunning. And when you
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  Speaker 1: say she plays basketball, you know what goes into that.
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  Speaker 1: My daughter is on volleyball. My son plays basketball and
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  Speaker 1: soccer you're in every game you try to practice with them.
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  Speaker 1: I've been hit in the face with a volleyball so
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  Speaker 1: many times I can't even count it. Because they're your world.
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  Speaker 1: What they do, I want to do. And I'm just
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  Speaker 1: thinking of the mom who is trying to find her
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  Speaker 1: daughter as we speak, and suddenly she's just gone. And
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  Speaker 1: you know, to doctor Angela Arnold, when I first heard
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  Speaker 1: about Breasia, I imagine going into the twins room and
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  Speaker 1: they're just gone, and I don't know where they are,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't know what happened to them, but that's
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  Speaker 1: what the mother's going through right now, just totally gone,
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  Speaker 1: like somebody went and their home. They're gone, just in
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  Speaker 1: and no one can buy, and it just goes all
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  Speaker 1: on and on. It's you know, it's almost as if
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  Speaker 1: you enter a One time, I lost my little girl
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  Speaker 1: in a store when I was shopping. You're a mom.
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  Speaker 1: She was hiding in some clothes racks. I almost lost
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  Speaker 1: my mind. Everybody in the store started helping me, started
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  Speaker 1: looking for her, to help me find her, and everything
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  Speaker 1: flashed through my mind, everything but all of the worst
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  Speaker 1: tast scenarios flashed through my mind. And all she was
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  Speaker 1: doing was playing in between some racks of clothes. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, John David went missing in a giant
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  Speaker 1: Toys are us? Or wait, babies are us? Babies are us?
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  Speaker 1: Giant warehouse? And all I could think about was Adam Walsh.
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  Speaker 1: His mom Rose was on one aisle. He goes missing
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  Speaker 1: just a few aisles away. And then the children, when
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  Speaker 1: I would take them to an actual mall, I'd be
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  Speaker 1: a nervous wreck. Finally we started doing exactly what your daughter.
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  Speaker 1: And I would tell them, okay, hide and I'll confine you.
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  Speaker 1: And they would hide in closes wrecks, and I could
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  Speaker 1: see their feet in the little clog sticking out, and
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  Speaker 1: I know where. And they'd stay hidden while I look
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  Speaker 1: for clothes from them, so at least I would know.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm just thinking about this. Mom. Let me go
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  Speaker 1: back to Tom Lowie, Quad City Times, Devin port Aowa, Tom,
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  Speaker 1: how do you just lose your daughter? What happened in
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  Speaker 1: this specific case? The mother's name is Aisha Langford. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and u Breasa went with her brother to visit his dad,
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  Speaker 1: right yep, his father's house. Oh my goodness, as she
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  Speaker 1: goes missing from there exactly, yes, Oh, Tom Lowe, Quad
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  Speaker 1: City Times that's a whole nother layer of me being
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  Speaker 1: upset because you know what that means, Jason Oceans, You've
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  Speaker 1: raised two incredible children, and I give all the credit
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  Speaker 1: to your wife, no offense, but I know her. She's incredible.
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  Speaker 1: You're out, you know, in one courtroom after the next,
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  Speaker 1: and your children have somehow managed to turn out incredible.
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  Speaker 1: But do you hear what he just said? Tom Lowie
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  Speaker 1: the Quad City Times. So Breasia goes with her little
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  Speaker 1: brother to visit the brother's dad. So that means the
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  Speaker 1: mom's letting go of a little bit of control. It's
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  Speaker 1: like me letting a Lucy go to a spend the
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  Speaker 1: night party. I hate every second of it. And then
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  Speaker 1: she goes missing from there. So you're constantly berating yourself.
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  Speaker 1: I shouldn't let her go. He wasn't watching her well enough.
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  Speaker 1: Why did I do this? Do you remember the first
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  Speaker 1: time your daughter went to a spend the night? Oh? Mine? Cool? Nancy?
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  Speaker 1: That you know that fear, that anxiety that everyone is
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  Speaker 1: described on the panel, and as you described, you know,
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  Speaker 1: thinking of Breisha, it's it's it's so frightening. Everything passes
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  Speaker 1: through your mind and you know it's it's almost like
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  Speaker 1: you just want to blink, go to sleep, wake up,
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  Speaker 1: and everything's okay. You know what, Jason, You and I've
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  Speaker 1: discussed this many times on a dark set at Court TV.
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  Speaker 1: That's just how I felt when my fiancee was murdered
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  Speaker 1: just before our wedding. I would wake up in the
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  Speaker 1: morning and just for maybe three or four seconds, I
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  Speaker 1: think everything was okay. Then I think wait, wait, wait, wait,
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  Speaker 1: and then it would hit like a ton of bricks.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't a badgery, it was real. And that's what
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  Speaker 1: bree AGI's mom is going through right now. Tipline three
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  Speaker 1: or nine Time Stories with Nancy Grace. We are talking
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  Speaker 1: about a gorgeous little girl just ten years old who
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  Speaker 1: goes missing out of Davenport, Iowa. Mom lets her go
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  Speaker 1: with the little brother to visit the brother's bio dad. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: for a visitation. It was scheduled, it was planned, everything
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  Speaker 1: was fine, and then, for whatever reason, this little girl
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  Speaker 1: vanishes into thin air while she's with the brother. Dad.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at k WQC. Michael
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  Speaker 1: ticup Bamiley says a tip also led authorities to Feedruary
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  Speaker 1: Park Saturday afternoon. Police released a statement Saturday writing quote,
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  Speaker 1: DPD and supporting agencies are working expert driven and independent
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  Speaker 1: search efforts that do not require volunteers, and as independent
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  Speaker 1: search parties are organized separately, police ask if you know anything,
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  Speaker 1: call nine one one. Everybody you know hurt anything, We
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  Speaker 1: sure could use the assistance. Crime Stoppers of the Quad
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  Speaker 1: Cities is now offering a thirty five hundred dollars cash
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  Speaker 1: reward for any information that helps authorities locates herrel I'm
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  Speaker 1: so blessed to have such amazing community, especially with everything
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  Speaker 1: that's one end right now, an entire community working together
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  Speaker 1: to bring a ten year old girl home. We're going
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  Speaker 1: to keep our resources out and until we can help
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  Speaker 1: help the family find their girl. A thirty five hundred
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  Speaker 1: dollars reward right now in the recovery to helping them
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  Speaker 1: recovery of this ten year old little girl who seemingly
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  Speaker 1: vanishes into thin air with me, Jason Osan's doctor, Angela Arnold,
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  Speaker 1: Karen Smith out of LA and Tom Lowe, Quad City Times, Davenport,
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  Speaker 1: Iowa reporter. Back to you, Tom Lowe, I want to
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  Speaker 1: give the facts as we know them right now to
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  Speaker 1: Karen Smith, our forensic expert and host of Shattered souls,
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  Speaker 1: so she can analyze along with me what we believe
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  Speaker 1: the cops should be doing right now. And I mean
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  Speaker 1: that in a supportive way, not to say the cops
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  Speaker 1: are doing anything wrong. But the two of us have
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  Speaker 1: handled so many missing children cases that sometimes when you
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  Speaker 1: have a police force that has it dealt with homicides
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  Speaker 1: or searching for bodies or searching for living children, there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of tricks to the trade. So, Tom Lowie,
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  Speaker 1: we know that she was last seen in this location.
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  Speaker 1: But was she in or outside of a home? Was
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  Speaker 1: she still wearing the same outfit? Was she had a playground,
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  Speaker 1: when she had a part, when she had a body
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  Speaker 1: of water? But she on a hiking trail? Was she
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  Speaker 1: attended with an adult? What do we know about the
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  Speaker 1: last time that she was seen alive by an independent witness?
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  Speaker 1: And we'll start our timeline right there, Tom Lowie, we
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  Speaker 1: know very little in fact, and that's been the problem
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  Speaker 1: at the start of the case is that she goes
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  Speaker 1: over to Henry Earl Dinkins home. It's a home where
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  Speaker 1: he was sharing with someone. It's not actually his home.
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  Speaker 1: So they go to this progress whoa hold on, Tom
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  Speaker 1: Lowie right there, Sorry to interrupt you. But they little
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  Speaker 1: brother Bio Dad Henry Earl Dakins shares the home. You
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  Speaker 1: mean he lives with a woman or he has roommates
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  Speaker 1: who lives in that home? Because he would be a
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  Speaker 1: cold day in Hubl that I sent my child somewhere
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  Speaker 1: where I didn't know who I was there. Maybe the
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  Speaker 1: mom did know. So do we know who lived in
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  Speaker 1: the home with Daks? Would be the first place I
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  Speaker 1: looked as who's in the home. That's not clear. That's
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  Speaker 1: not clear at this time. And you know what, Tom Lowe,
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  Speaker 1: I don't like that either. You think it's a girlfriend, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: that statistically is better than having a male roommates as
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  Speaker 1: far as looking at crimes, Karen Smith, if it's a
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  Speaker 1: girlfriend live in, a fiance a wife in the home,
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  Speaker 1: that statistically normalizes the situation as opposed to like three
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  Speaker 1: men living together, it's a mess, it's confusing. They're there,
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  Speaker 1: they're not there. It's just a whole different scenario. Not
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  Speaker 1: to be stereotypical. That statistically true. Isn't it true to you,
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  Speaker 1: Karen Smith that women statistically commit a vast, a vast
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  Speaker 1: percentage lower violent crimes than man. Yes, absolutely, Nancy and
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  Speaker 1: My biggest question right now, at the start of this
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  Speaker 1: investigation is who had Karen control of this child? Was
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  Speaker 1: it the possible woman that was living there, was it
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  Speaker 1: Henry Dinkins? Who had Karen control of this child? That
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  Speaker 1: is where your timeline starts, and when you have a
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  Speaker 1: missing child, the timeline is crucial. When was the last
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  Speaker 1: time she was seen? When was the last communication she had?
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  Speaker 1: Who saw her? Where was her brother? Was he there
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  Speaker 1: as well? These are the questions I start asking. That's
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  Speaker 1: a really good question to Tom Lowe, Quad City Times, Davenport, Iowa. Tom,
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  Speaker 1: is the little boy, the little brother, Okay? Has he
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  Speaker 1: been accounted for? The little brother is accounted for, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: he is. That's a big piece of the puzzle, Tom,
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  Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why. I mean, I'm just analyzing
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  Speaker 1: this very objectively. I got a big problem, Jason Oceans,
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  Speaker 1: with the fact that nobody can tell me the last
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  Speaker 1: time the little girl was seeing alime talking about Breasia Terrell,
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  Speaker 1: because the adult male, the stepfather so to speak, should
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  Speaker 1: be able to tell me. I let her go outside
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  Speaker 1: to play in the backyard. I let her go jump
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  Speaker 1: on the trampoline. I let her and her little brother
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  Speaker 1: walk to the seven to eleven, one block away. They
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  Speaker 1: were at the grandma's. You should be able to tell me.
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  Speaker 1: I could tell you, Jason otions exactly the last time
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  Speaker 1: I saw the twins and what they were wearing, all right,
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  Speaker 1: right down to their undies. Because I laid him out myself.
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  Speaker 1: So what I'm saying is, why can't he tell me
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  Speaker 1: the last time he saw the little girl? Why can't
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  Speaker 1: anybody tell me exactly who is living in the home,
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  Speaker 1: because in my mind, they're all persons of interest. Jason, Nancy, everybody,
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  Speaker 1: I mean spoken like a well prosecutor, season didn't investigator.
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  Speaker 1: That's exactly where we're looking at. Where is the custody
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  Speaker 1: in control? As it was turned over with a bree
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  Speaker 1: Asia going over with her brother who who is now responsible?
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  Speaker 1: Who stepped up and said, all right, I'm I got it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, directing, if you're busy, you're occupied for the moment,
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  Speaker 1: who's the responsible adult or you know who's minding them?
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  Speaker 1: You know everybody what went on? What was going on
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  Speaker 1: there that would allow this young girl to go missing.
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  Speaker 1: I'm getting a little clarification right now, Tom Lowie, I'm
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  Speaker 1: just getting a wire. Tom lewis joining me quant City
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  Speaker 1: Times in Davenport. That the dad is now saying he
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  Speaker 1: put her to bed and that went he went to
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  Speaker 1: get her up, she was gone. That's pretty believe. That's
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  Speaker 1: the story. Okay, okay, that is the story Crime Stories
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  Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Guys, we're talking about a little girl
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  Speaker 1: disappearing now from her own home, the home of her
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  Speaker 1: I Walt charm him as stepdad, as Henry Earl Dinkins.
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  Speaker 1: Now we know that children have gone missing from their
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  Speaker 1: own homes before, and that would be just to throw
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  Speaker 1: it out that everybody knows. Um Elizabeth Smart right, Um
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  Speaker 1: Helly down in Florida, Um Isabelle uh in Texas, I
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  Speaker 1: mean Sealise, Sabell, Sealise. There are so many daniel wester
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  Speaker 1: h Westerdam out in California. There there Danielle van Dam
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  Speaker 1: missing from their own home. So it does happen statistically,
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  Speaker 1: not so much so. Of course, to Jason notions New
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  Speaker 1: or defend its attorney in court, you can't bring in statistics.
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  Speaker 1: That is disallowed because you cannot compare an individual case
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  Speaker 1: to statistics that have been rounded up across the world.
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  Speaker 1: But you and I know statistically a child does not
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  Speaker 1: go missing from their own home. It does happen, but
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  Speaker 1: not so much. Agree, disagree, No, no, I agree with you, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the statistics are quite telling and
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  Speaker 1: give guidance to investigators and sometimes prejudice in what you're
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  Speaker 1: looking at, but they generally overall measure out and that
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  Speaker 1: becomes the barometer for you know, prosecution and good investigation.
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  Speaker 1: It's just a barometer. That's a good way to put
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  Speaker 1: in Jason Oceans. It's a barometer because when I hear
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  Speaker 1: missing from their own home, I immediately get suspicious if
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  Speaker 1: everybody in that home, because it's child to just walk
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  Speaker 1: out on her own in the middle of the night.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to our whys at KWQCTV six is
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  Speaker 1: Michael tilkea. The search for missing to year old Breesia
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  Speaker 1: Terrell continues entering day three on Sunday. She was last
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  Speaker 1: seen Friday morning in the twenty seven hundred block of
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  Speaker 1: East fifty third Street, wearing a white tshirt, flip flops,
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  Speaker 1: and shorts. As the search for her whereabouts grows more
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  Speaker 1: desperate by the moment, her mother says, no tip is
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  Speaker 1: too small. I don't know anything, and if anyone can help,
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  Speaker 1: it can be the smaller deza you made bee. Friday afternoon,
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  Speaker 1: authorities focused in on the lagoon at Credit Island, with
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  Speaker 1: a boat on the water and investigators nearby. Family gathered
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  Speaker 1: looking on. Police declined to say what brought them there
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  Speaker 1: or whether foul play is involved Intorell's case. Again, we'll
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  Speaker 1: welcome with the family on potential rarius that she may
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  Speaker 1: be or may have been with friends in those kind
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  Speaker 1: of things. So we're checking different areas and we're going
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  Speaker 1: to continue again working with the family until we come
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  Speaker 1: up a little girl. Just stop, stop everything. Lagoon at
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  Speaker 1: Credit Island. They didn't just decide to go search a lagoon.
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  Speaker 1: Something led the police to that lagoon. With me special
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  Speaker 1: guest Tom Lowie, Quad City Times, Davenport, Iowa. Tell me
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  Speaker 1: about the terrain surrounding Dnkins, Henry ye Old Dinkins, the
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  Speaker 1: step dad home, and the proximity from his home to
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  Speaker 1: the lagoon at Credit Island. Imagine Davenport sitting on the
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  Speaker 1: Mississippi River, and much of Davenport sits up on a hill.
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  Speaker 1: So you drive down the hill and you're on the
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  Speaker 1: Mississippi River. Credit Island is a more remote portion of Davenport.
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  Speaker 1: It is pretty heavily wooded for the most part, and
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of a peninsula that shuts out on the
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  Speaker 1: Mississippi River and in the island. Contained within the island
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  Speaker 1: is a separate lagoon, and it is said by the
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  Speaker 1: Mississippi River, but there's a there's an area that's enclosed
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  Speaker 1: by land that is water. So you want to imagine, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Ivan poured as part of a metroplex. So it's it's
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  Speaker 1: a heavily populated area, but Credit Island is a more
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  Speaker 1: remote portion of the city near the city border, you know,
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  Speaker 1: near the city line. I'm liking everything you're saying, Tomalodo,
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  Speaker 1: because you're giving me information that I didn't know what's
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  Speaker 1: flying through my mind, Tomalodie. I just took the twins
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  Speaker 1: on an RV trip across the country because of COVID.
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  Speaker 1: No hotels, no people, no restaurants. And one of the
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  Speaker 1: things we did was went to the confluence where the Mississi,
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  Speaker 1: the Mighty Mississippi meets the Muddy Missouri right there, and
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: we had to hike through. I mean I needed a
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: machete to get to where we were going, dragging the
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Trent Twins with me. In fact, it was so dense.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: At one point we turned around like this, this may
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: be reckless of me dragging them through this, and then
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: they wanted to go so badly we went back and
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: we found it. That's what's going through my mind. And
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: if you don't mind, Tom, it's not you, it's me.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: I just want to hear everything you just said. But
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: tell me how would you get from his place, Henry
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Earl Dak's place too, the lagooned Credit Island, which you
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: have to take a watercraft to get there or is
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: there a bridge? No? Actually so, so the it's it's
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: also a park area, so it's it's got heavily wooded
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: and grassed areas, but it's also a park area where
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: some of that's cleared out, and there's a there's a
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: ringed road that takes you in us in a ring
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: around the around Credit Island and in fact around the lagoon,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: so it is easily accessed by car by vehicle and
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: then to get into the wooded areas or to go
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: down to the lagoon. So on one side you have
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: the lagoon and essentially on the other side of the
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: road the Mississippi is flowing by. So it's if you
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: can imagine a ring kind of situation, and in that area,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: in some of those areas, like on the outer part
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: of the ring, there are heavily wooded areas and then
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: a lot of tall grass is what you'll find. So
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: it's a partially finished, kind of crudely developed area. It's
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: got some shelter areas where there's picnic benches. I'm sure
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: you're familiar with those kind of developments, right And you
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: tell me a lot of good information right there as well,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: because I now know that Credit Island and this lagoon
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: is accessible by vehicle, which makes sense a lot more
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: of a possibility of a dumping ground. And I hain't
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: even put her name bree Asia in the same sense
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: of dumping ground, but I guarantee you there's a reason
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: that police are searching that lagoon and it's not good
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, In the last minutes,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: we have gotten an update. Take a listen to Police
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Chief Paul Sikorski with a Davenport, Iowa PD. We have
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: identified Henry E. Dinkins as a person of interest related
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: to this case. A person of interest is different than
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: a name suspect. A person of interest is someone who
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: has not been arrested or formally charged in this case,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: but may have information that could assist with the investigation
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: or possess certain characteristics that merit further attention by our investigators.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Dinkins is currently in custody on other charges related to
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: a sex offender registry violation. We are asking the public's
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: assistance today for any information regarding Dinkins and associated vehicles
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: during the time frame of Thursday, July ninth, from ten
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: pm to Friday, July tenth at twelve noon. Right now,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: I just almost feel physically sick. Back to Tom Lowe,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Quad City Times, Davenport, Iowa reporter with me, Karen Smith,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: doctor Angela Arnold, and Jason Oceans. Tom So, the step
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: dad of sorts is a sex offender? What kind of
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: sex offender? It is clear that he is someone who
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: has had a lot of trouble with the law. It
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: is a sex offense against a young person. It was
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety, so we're talking a couple of decades ago.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: It is clear that his status as a sex offender,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: I should say, it's not clear if his status as
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: a sex offender was widely known. It was known by
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Asia's mother it was none by bree Asia's mother. Yes, ma'am,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: okay to you, doctor Angel Arnold. As much as I
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: want to come down on the mom right now, do
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: you notice that when okay, here's an example, and it's
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: my example. I was trying to bust a triple homicide
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: and one of my informants, confidential informants, was a sex offender.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: He had committed a rape several years before. He now
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: had a job. He was living a regular life, and
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: I mean several years like in this case, maybe ten
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: twenty years before. I would get in the car alone
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: with him much I'm five one, you know that, doctor Anchie,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: and he's much bigger than me, wroked out, had biceps
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: like a Virginia Ham And we would go alone all
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: over the city of Atlanta when I was prosecuting felonies
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: in inner city Atlanta from the beginning of the morning
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: until late eleven o'clock at night, trying to find particular
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: witnesses that could help me crack a triple homicide. And
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: I got to know him, and I got to like him,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: and I asked him about his sex offense and he went, oh,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: she was sixteen and I was eighteen. And that's what happened,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: and I played guilty and okay, I lulled myself into
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: a sense of security, befriended him, and he helped me
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: crack the case. So that's what happened. Here's my question,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Sorry for the long build up. Do you find people
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: lull themselves into a false sense of security? Well, of
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: course they do, you That's why I have I believe
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: that that's why the mother let the little girl go
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: over there. I would love to know how many times
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: she's gone over there before, wouldn't you. Is this just
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: a typical behavior that she just goes and spend the
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: night with her little brother. You know that's a really
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: good that's a really good question. Yeah. Yeah, she may
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: have discounted it. And another thing, you know this, Jason
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: OSHA's your defense attorney. Guys, we're talking about a missing
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: little ten year old girl, Brisia Terrell. The person of
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: interest her stepfather, as I am calling him, Henry Earl Dinkins.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: He is the biological father Brisia's little brother, and the
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: mom let her go visit, which she may have done
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: in the past. Jason Oceans defense attorney joining me out
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: of New York. Jason, I remember trying to get a
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: hold of a defense attorney about emotions calendar the following
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Monday morning. It's about six o'clock on Friday, and a
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: woman answered the phone. I'm like, look, I gotta find him.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: I gotta find him now because he's got to be
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: in court eight am Monday morning. And I told the
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: judge to try to reach him. Where is he? Uh,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: guess where he was? He was at a strip bar
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: with his clients, his dope clients, the Magic City. Yeah,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: And you know what, you hang around with people and
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: suddenly they seem normal to you. There was this upstanding
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: lawyer with a bunch of dopers at a strip club.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Not judging the strip club, am judging the dopers. But Jason,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: when you're around your clients, you gotta be careful. You
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: gotta be really careful that their norm doesn't become you're normal.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Well that's so too, Nancy. I mean, you know, years
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: of defense and having been on the prosecution side for
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: a year, you understand and that, and you know your
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: guard is always up. There's always that spidy sense teapling
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: about something. The interesting thing though, about the arrest back
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: in you know, the indictment and conviction back in the
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: nineties for the sex offense. Usually, recidivism in sex offenders
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: particularly happens at a high rate within six months to
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: a year. You know, love to see the rest of
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: that criminal arrest record. Real. I know a little bit
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: more about it, Jason, I know a little bit more
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: about it, and this may, this may really paint the
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: entire picture with a different stroke. I know that Dinkins,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: a registered sex offender, was convicted at age seventeen. He
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: was a teen, but he sex abused a female victim
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: under age thirteen. Now that's a big difference. Seventeen sixteen,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: seventeen fifteen, it's still bad. But under thirteen, that's twelve
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: year old little girl at best. Guys, take a listen
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: to Davenport, Iowa PD press conference. This is police Chief
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Paul Skorsky. We're learning more. We are requesting any information
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: the public may have on Dinkins whereabouts in the Quad
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Cities area during that time frame. He is also known
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: to have previous connections to the Commanche and Clinton area.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Vehicles associated with Dinkins include a two thousand and seven
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: maroon Chevy Impala, two twelve black Chevy Camaro, and in
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighties, King's Highway motor home. All of these vehicles
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: are currently impounded and in the possession of investigators. If
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: the public has any information regarding the whereabouts of Dinkins
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: or these vehicles between the time frames that I mentioned,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: so between the hours of ten pm on Thursday, July
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: ninth and noon Friday a July tenth, we asked they
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: call nine one immediately to share this information with investigators.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Karen Smith joining me from LA Forensics expert host of
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Shattered Souls, Karen Smith, what the police chief just said
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: is scary men. I'll tell you why. Remember the little
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: girl I told you that was stolen from her home
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: in California while her parents slept by the way. They
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: were right there down the hall, Danielle Van Damn the
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: stubbled on the name. The defendant was David Westerfield, who
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: was a neighbor, and he took the little girl, molested
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: and killed her in his motor home, his RV and
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: having just come off an RV trip, I would go
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: walking with the twins while John David rode his bike
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: and all these RV parks. I did not let them
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: go out by themselves. Of course, and I got to
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: know the look of a lot of RVs. They stick
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: with you when you see them. But your take is
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: a forensics expert, based on knowing they're looking at a lagoon,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: they've impounded these three vehicles, and now they're asking the public,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: have you seen these three vehicles and where did you
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: see them? Analyze that information for me, Karen Smith forensically,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: that tells me a lot. Yeah, and tells me a
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: lot too. Let's start with the lagoon area. I was
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: going through some photos the photojournalists were taking while the
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: investigators were there, and one stood out to me. There
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: was a photo that showed an investigator bending over what
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: looks like a tripod. Now, when you bring out a
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: tripod and you're at a crime scene, that to me
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: screams either shoe impressions or tire impressions. It didn't look
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: like a vehicle could get down in this area, so
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: it's probably shoe impressions in that area. There's class characteristics
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: the brands aside identifying characteristics. These are accidental, unpredictable results
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: like where patterns and defects in the shoes. So if
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: they're photographing shoe impressions, that's a good possibility that could
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: lead them forensically to a chew or a tire track.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Now that they have all three of these vehicles impounded,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: if they do have tire tracks in that area, they
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: can go back and do comparisons with the tires, the
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: width of the wheelbase, the type of tire, the tread pattern,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: things like that. They're also going to be looking in
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: those vehicles for any I mean forensic evidence here, broad blanket,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: You've got everything from DNA to hair's fibers, fingerprints, dirt
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: that may be caked on the undercarriage, and then the tires.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: So they're really going to have to go through all
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: three of those vehicles with a fine tooth comb. You
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: know the fact that they're searching this lagoon. They're putting
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: out the description of the vehicles down to the collar
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: that make the model and asking where you've seen them.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: The vehicles, including the motor home, are all in impound,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: which sells me they've been processed. Did cops find something
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: in those vehicles that make them believe Rasia was killed
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: or transported or molested in one of those three vehicles,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: And if cops can find out where the vehicles were
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: spotted then they can find this child dead or alive.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Way in Karen Smith, that's exactly right. Anything that links
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: bree Asia Terrell with the last known operator of those vehicles,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: they're going to be looking forward in that car. They're
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: going to have to spray. Unfortunately, they're going to have
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: to spray a lumino and you and I know what
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: that means. You know, there's all kinds of things that
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: they're going to have to do with a fine tooth comb, photography,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: light sources. It may be a very very small piece
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: of evidence a hair, for all we know, that could
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: link bree Asia with one of those vehicles. And if
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: they are impounded, it either means they are have already
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: processed them or they're just waiting in line because it
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: takes time to go through each vehicle. It's not like
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: a one and done. It does take time to go
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: through a vehicle like that. And not only that, it
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: depends on just thinking about the Jennifer Dilo's case. Okay,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: then missing Connecticut mom of five her hair found in
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: the back seat of her estranged husband's employees vehicle. Why
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: why would her hair be in the back seat of
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: an employee's vehicle? So it's not just finding brie Asia's
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: hair or some type of DNA touch DNA in the
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: vehicle where she may have innocently been to go to
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: the store or to go to a restaurant, but where
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: it's located. Is it in the trunk? Why would her
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: hair be in the trunk? Those are what cops are
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: looking for in those three impound vehicles. To Tobolowe, joining
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: me Quad City Times Davenport, Iowa, tell me about the
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: search and that's being conducted for Briasia Terrell. Okay, so
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: there so far the search has been very much centered
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: on Credit Island and a place called fedger Varry Part
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: which is a park area up on the hill in Davenport,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: kind of up from the river. And it's not clear
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: why Fejervary Park. I've been told by the mother that
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: it was a place where he might have gone at
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: other times. So they were kind of looking at places
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: that he was familiar with. But that's the extent of
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: And then just down from Credit Island. Credit Island is
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: on what's called River Drive and there was an area
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: on River Drive and Concord, which is just down from
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Credit Island. There was some search going on there that
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: was Monday night, and that search did not as far
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: as we know, police have not commented, but certainly Breeasia
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: wasn't found there. You know what you said, It is
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: very telling Tom Lowe in many ways because you said,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: this is a place, according to your conversations with Breasia's mom,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: that he has gone in the past. Think bat Tom Loewey,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: for instance, when we wanted to find Lacy Peterson's body
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: and connors her unborn child, where we go where her husband,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Scott Peterson his fishing hole, San Francisco Bay, and sure
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: enough that's where she was. You find that perps hide
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: bodies and evidence or retreat to a place that is
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: familiar to them. So what you just said is incredible,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: incredibly probative. The tip line for this little girl three
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: zero nine seven six two nine five hundred. We wait
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: and pray as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace Crime Story, signing off,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,