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Return of an Old "Mystery Guest" | Fireside Chat 267 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: All right, we're live. Hello everybody, and welcome to Honey
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  Speaker 1: Badger Radio. My name is Brian and this is the
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  Speaker 1: Fireside Chat and today I am on with an old,
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  Speaker 1: an old guest friend of the channel, Luke Weber. I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to like withhold the mystery any longer, but
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  Speaker 1: we have our reasons. So Luke Webber or fresher Luke
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  Speaker 1: as he is known on I guess for by some.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I know I've known you as Luke for
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  Speaker 1: as long as we've had you, you know, around, which
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  Speaker 1: is like a few years now. Yeah. Yeah, how you doing, man.
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing great. Thank you for having me on.
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  Speaker 3: It's a great honor to finally be back here on
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  Speaker 3: the Oh Honey Badger Radio channel once again to talk
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  Speaker 3: about things and whine about stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I try not to whine. I'm generally an optimistic person
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  Speaker 1: by nature, but no, I get it, because you know,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes you need a vent, especially when you don't think
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  Speaker 1: anyone's like understands your situation or your position.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's uh, yeah, it's getting pretty fast
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  Speaker 3: out there.
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  Speaker 2: We're we're living in the world.
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  Speaker 3: A lot has happened since I've last been on, and
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  Speaker 3: the world's become a little bit darker because of it.
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  Speaker 2: I guess. I'm sure you can tell what I'm talking about, but.
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  Speaker 1: That's putting it lightly.
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  Speaker 2: I think, yeah, well, I'm trying to put everything as
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  Speaker 2: lightly as I can.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I hear you. So anyway, so the
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  Speaker 1: last time we talked was a few years ago, so
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  Speaker 1: like what what sort of like I don't know, like
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  Speaker 1: what what's changed? Like, what's what have you been up to?
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  Speaker 3: I mean nothing, Well, things have changed, but things haven't changed.
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  Speaker 3: I'm still you know, blacklisted from the animation industry. That
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  Speaker 3: obviously is never going to change because leftists can never
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  Speaker 3: admit when they're wrong. But I mean, in regards to
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  Speaker 3: things that have changed, I'm doing a lot better mentally,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm working on doing a lot better physically.
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  Speaker 2: I'm living a nice, quiet and peaceful life, which is good.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 3: That's part of the reason why I'm doing a lot
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  Speaker 3: better mentally. What else, and I'm just you know, I
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  Speaker 3: guess maybe you could call this my retirement phase. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know, it feels like.
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  Speaker 1: It, so, like, do you I remember when we talked
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  Speaker 1: last you were kind of like driving in lyft or
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  Speaker 1: an uber to make ends meet or at least like
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  Speaker 1: on the side or something.
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  Speaker 3: Are I was doing kind of side stuff. Not really,
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  Speaker 3: I have like a day job now. It's unrelated to
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  Speaker 3: what I used to be do working in animation. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: but it's you know, given everything that's currently happening in
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  Speaker 3: the industry right now, it's probably a good thing to
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  Speaker 3: sort of become I guess, more versatile in that regard
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  Speaker 3: and more useful, just you know, how to say, you're
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  Speaker 3: basically you know, AI is becoming so is increasingly becoming
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  Speaker 3: more sophisticated in that regard, and so I think it's
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  Speaker 3: probably a good time to sort of learn practical.
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  Speaker 2: Skills and use those two become more useful. It's probably
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  Speaker 2: a good way to put it.
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  Speaker 1: Do you still like tabs on and like what's going
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  Speaker 1: on in the industry? Like do you still have friends
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  Speaker 1: or people you know that work there and you sort
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  Speaker 1: of follow what's going on with it because you mentioned
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  Speaker 1: you know something about how the industry is these days.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I do still keep tabs on it now, and
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  Speaker 3: then I'm still on the mailing list of like the
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  Speaker 3: guild and some other places. Oh okay, and I'm mostly
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  Speaker 3: I tend to just chuckle to myself now when I
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  Speaker 3: read those emails, because I can sort of read behind
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  Speaker 3: the context of sort of the front they put up
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  Speaker 3: where it kind of trying to pretend that everything is
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  Speaker 3: hunky dory. In regards to friends, I don't have any.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, aside from one, only one person that I
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  Speaker 3: still keep in semi regular contact with.
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  Speaker 2: I don't talk. I don't talk to outside of other
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  Speaker 2: people who sort of.
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  Speaker 3: Similar to me that I've managed to find to have
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  Speaker 3: come to me and they've told me their stories and
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  Speaker 3: how they've and one of those stories is that they
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  Speaker 3: haven't had any work in the last two years. And
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure you can guess what kind of demographic those
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  Speaker 3: people are. Demographics like you and me, Brian, And but yeah,
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  Speaker 3: outside of that, I don't I haven't contacted anybody in
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  Speaker 3: the industry. Nobody in the industry is bothered to contact me.
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  Speaker 3: I'm still basically the industry boogeyman that they use non grata, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you know, they when whenever I kind of pop up
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  Speaker 3: or they kind of catch me talking about something that
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  Speaker 3: they don't like me telling the truth about in regards
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  Speaker 3: to what they're up to, then they, you know, they
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  Speaker 3: prop me up as that straw man saying you know,
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  Speaker 3: I'm the devil and that you know I'm dangerous and
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  Speaker 3: you know all the usual bs.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, so we do have some new people watching,
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  Speaker 1: so like maybe we should give them a bit of
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  Speaker 1: a refresher course on Yeah, they're very clever. Okay, yes,
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  Speaker 1: we should give them a refresher course on fresher and
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  Speaker 1: what and like what is it we're actually talking about,
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  Speaker 1: because I think that the context isn't all there, So
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  Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about what you did in
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  Speaker 1: animation and then like what kind of like happened to you,
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  Speaker 1: just like a short version like the.
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  Speaker 2: Cliff notes of my life story.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we could we could get a little like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, take whatever time you need so that people
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  Speaker 1: see where this is coming from, because I do, I
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  Speaker 1: do think that it's not unimportant, you know. I think
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  Speaker 1: I think it's actually really important stuff going.
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  Speaker 3: I guess it's important to you know, maybe it's sort
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  Speaker 3: of like a law update or a just just to
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  Speaker 3: put things in.
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  Speaker 2: Context so to say. Mean, yeah, so my name is
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  Speaker 2: Luke Webber.
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  Speaker 3: I guess you could say I have like twenty plus
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  Speaker 3: years experience in the entertainment industry. Ten of those years
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  Speaker 3: were in Australia, which isn't really saying much because Australia,
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  Speaker 3: well back then, Australia don't really have much of an
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  Speaker 3: entertainment industry.
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  Speaker 2: To talk about.
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  Speaker 3: And as you can probably guess from my accent, I
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  Speaker 3: am originally from Australia. I moved to the United States
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  Speaker 3: at the end of two thousand and nine and the
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  Speaker 3: beginning of twenty ten in order to look for work
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  Speaker 3: working in animation as a result, partly due to the
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  Speaker 3: financial two thousand and eight financial crash, and so I
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  Speaker 3: worked as a storyboard artists in Los Angeles at a
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  Speaker 3: lot of the major studios like DreamWorks, Cartoon Network, Warner Brothers,
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  Speaker 3: who else I'm joined at Blank Disney and a whole
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  Speaker 3: host of other studios.
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  Speaker 1: The company it starts with a D D.
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  Speaker 2: Dickheads.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe I don't very very humble.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so, yeah, I worked at all these studios. You
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  Speaker 3: can probably find my IMDb. You can see it all.
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  Speaker 3: There have a very extensive IMDb. So I worked in
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  Speaker 3: all these studios mainly as a storyboard artists. Well that's
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  Speaker 3: what I'm credited as mostly for about ten years up
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  Speaker 3: until about I guess the beginning of twenty eighteen, when
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  Speaker 3: the Harvey Weinstein scandal broke and Me Too happened. Consequently,
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  Speaker 3: there was a silent coup from all the females in
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  Speaker 3: the animation industry who saw an opportunity to take control.
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  Speaker 3: They did, and one of the first things they did
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  Speaker 3: was to create a blacklist of white, straight white males
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  Speaker 3: who were also talented that could potentially be.
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  Speaker 2: In pole being.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously, Gole'll provide pushback, and my name was on that list,
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  Speaker 3: and I was accused of all kinds of incredibly heinous
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  Speaker 3: things stuff even to this day, I don't know one
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  Speaker 3: hundred percent might have been accused of. I never had
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  Speaker 3: my day in court, I never had my chance to
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  Speaker 3: face my accusers or defend myself. And being blacklisted and
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  Speaker 3: having my reputation fundamentally destroyed as a result, I've more
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  Speaker 3: or less been able to get any kind of regular work.
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  Speaker 3: I guess since twenty nineteen was probably the last time
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  Speaker 3: I had any industry work, and so.
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  Speaker 2: Since then I've been working.
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  Speaker 3: I've mostly been trying to survive as an independent artist.
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  Speaker 3: And what else I feel like I'm forgetting something Ryan.
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  Speaker 1: No, I mean, like, I guess there's a few notable
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  Speaker 1: did you did you work on bluey? Was that you?
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  Speaker 2: No, I didn't work on Blue. Blue is an Australian production.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was an Australian thing you worked on.
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  Speaker 2: Though I didn't work on Blue. No, Blue is a.
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  Speaker 1: Moment Okay, Yeah, I guess that's right. But anyway, no,
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  Speaker 1: I think that that makes sense. I mean we talked
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  Speaker 1: a bit like when I had you on before. I
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  Speaker 1: think we talked about this Women in Animation Guild, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: which is essentially like a union or they work with unions,
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  Speaker 1: and they were using unions to push men out of
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  Speaker 1: the industry and replace them with women. And they had
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  Speaker 1: this initiative called fifty to fifty by twenty thirty something
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  Speaker 1: like that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so it was like it was especially fifty to
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  Speaker 3: fifty gender parody across all creative fields by twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 1: Twenty twenty five, that's right by this year, by this year.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, and they've achieved that goal. So they should
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  Speaker 2: be packing up and leaving.
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  Speaker 1: I shouldn't. I mean, like, if there's but if there's
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  Speaker 1: more than fifty percent women, that that still counts as
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  Speaker 1: like you know, like we get seventy five, that's okay too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so a classic Marxist tactic.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and so yeah, they've Well, the thing is that
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  Speaker 3: they they very quietly took that mission statement down from
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  Speaker 3: their website, but it's still up on their Twitter.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, so you got let me ask you this,
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  Speaker 1: When you were doing that job before all this madness,
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  Speaker 1: would you say that was a very like a dream
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  Speaker 1: job or like a really satisfying job.
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  Speaker 2: Yes for you? No, yes, well yes and no.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: I guess when I first started. I guess when you
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  Speaker 3: start any job, there's like a honeymoon phase.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Initially, when I first started it, it was it was great.
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  Speaker 3: I gotta I got to finally get a taste of,
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  Speaker 3: you know, how actual meritocracy and a proper working studio
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  Speaker 3: production actually worked. I was getting paid good money. People
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  Speaker 3: liked my work. Everyone was very supportive, and it was great.
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  Speaker 3: Over time, as I worked at different studios on different productions,
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  Speaker 3: things became less and less pleasurable.
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  Speaker 2: I guess there's a good way to put it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I think I might have talked about this before on
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  Speaker 3: the last time I was here, But things things got
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  Speaker 3: a little bit more weird as time moved on, and
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  Speaker 3: as I'm being an animator one of the skills you
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  Speaker 3: have to learn is being able to observe sort of
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  Speaker 3: things objectively around you. And I was kind of noticing
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  Speaker 3: a lot of stuff that was happening and sort of
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  Speaker 3: thinking that that didn't really seem right. But it turns
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  Speaker 3: out my instincts were true, and I was ignoring them
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  Speaker 3: at my own peril.
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  Speaker 1: So there was like some bureaucratic things that you didn't like.
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  Speaker 1: There was a cultural thing.
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  Speaker 3: It was like it was like office culture, because yeah,
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  Speaker 3: the Marxist feminist ideology was very slowly, like a Cansas,
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  Speaker 3: starting to sort.
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  Speaker 2: Of embed itself in. Yeah, I didn't really notice it more.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't really notice the most until I was starting
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  Speaker 3: to work on Gravity fulls, which is like around twenty
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  Speaker 3: fifteen or so. And yeah, that's when I really started
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  Speaker 3: to notice that when the showrunner started to act in
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  Speaker 3: particular particularly discriminative, discriminatory ways.
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  Speaker 1: Are you talking about the Stephen universe guy, No.
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  Speaker 2: I'm talking about Alex Hirst.
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  Speaker 1: That, yes, Hirsh that was I'm trying to remember his name.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, I don't want to give him the benefit
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  Speaker 3: of like saying his name, so I just say the
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  Speaker 3: showrunner of Gravity for yeah, yeah, yeah, because again, like
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  Speaker 3: this happened a long time ago, and yeah, that's long
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  Speaker 3: in the past and I'm now living my life as
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  Speaker 3: I am today.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, and the usual as Simps still accused me of
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  Speaker 2: being obsessed with it when I'm really not.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just doing my own thing, right.
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  Speaker 1: So, what's like the most heinous thing that you know
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  Speaker 1: of that you've been accused of if you don't mind
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  Speaker 1: talking about, well, the thing that these are false allegations,
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  Speaker 1: we should know what they are, because this is, you know, yes.
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  Speaker 3: It's it is awful. Well, the most heinous thing that
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  Speaker 3: keeps getting brought up. It's kind of a bit I
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  Speaker 3: don't know, it's really convoluted because it changes with every
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  Speaker 3: time it's it's it's acute story changes, The story changes
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  Speaker 3: every time it's thrown in my face online. Yeah, but
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  Speaker 3: the crux of it is is that on gravity Falls.
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  Speaker 3: For some reason, I had this mega crush on one
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  Speaker 3: of my fellows, story worker co worker, fellow storyboart artists
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  Speaker 3: by the name of Dana Terris, and that I wanted
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  Speaker 3: to bang her and that she instead wanted to and
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  Speaker 3: some reason she was flooding with the show runner Alex
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  Speaker 3: Hirsch in front of me, and so I threatened her,
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  Speaker 3: threatened to rape her at knife point if she did
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  Speaker 3: if she didn't date Yeah, that's the current iteration of it.
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  Speaker 3: If she didn't do that, and that's why I got
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  Speaker 3: fired from Steven Universe.
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  Speaker 1: That's crazy, Okay, Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, so it doesn't make any sense because I
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  Speaker 3: I did freelance on Steven Universe before I worked on
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  Speaker 3: Gravity Falls. So whenever I hear that, I'm like, Okay.
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  Speaker 2: That's interesting. And again, so that's the most heinous thing.
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  Speaker 3: The other ones the usual false accusations of sexual harassment
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  Speaker 3: and me being a raging maniac or some of the stuff.
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  Speaker 3: The other one is that I'm like some kind of
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  Speaker 3: crazy Inceel who got fired from Steven Universe because I
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  Speaker 3: was screaming at Rebecca Sugar, the showrunner, demanding that I
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  Speaker 3: am somehow be shipped. Somehow I am supposed to have
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  Speaker 3: a relationship with one of the characters on the show,
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  Speaker 3: which is which.
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  Speaker 1: We were ridiculous. Yeah, you need to help me understand this. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: a fictional character on the show you're supposed to have
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  Speaker 1: a relationship with.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't what, Well, let me clarify.
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  Speaker 3: So back when I was still quote unquote friends with
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  Speaker 3: people like Rebecca and all the and the people in
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  Speaker 3: the industry before I was persona on Growder. After I
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  Speaker 3: basically had to know, breakdown from all the bullying I
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  Speaker 3: had sustained on Gravity Falls, I was just like, I
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  Speaker 3: want to draw something that's gonna make me laugh. And
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  Speaker 3: so I drew all these pictures of this character that
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  Speaker 3: I created, you know, just to I guess you could
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  Speaker 3: call it an NPC sort of interacting in cute and
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  Speaker 3: adorable ways with this character on Stephen Universe called Pearl.
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  Speaker 3: And Rebecca really liked it, and she posted it up
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  Speaker 3: on the Stephen Universe blog, the drawings, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: she thought it was great at the time, and she
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  Speaker 3: told me that herself, and so I did another. I
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  Speaker 3: did like a follow up drawing showing her any and
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  Speaker 3: sort of like saying quoting them saying that because they
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  Speaker 3: were all kind of you know, they thought it was
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  Speaker 3: funny as well, and I was like, okay, great, I
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  Speaker 3: could make everyone laugh. And so now they take those
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  Speaker 3: drawings and they show them to me and say, oh,
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  Speaker 3: you know, this is the proof that this is the
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  Speaker 3: proof that you got five from Stephen Universe.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, what are you talking.
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  Speaker 1: About weird stalking behavior or sexual harassment in the h
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  Speaker 1: drawings in.
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  Speaker 3: The form of drawings that I did, which I still
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  Speaker 3: have the originals of. I should definitely try. I should
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  Speaker 3: definitely try and like auction those out because I'm sure
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  Speaker 3: they're very valuable. But but yeah, that's that's sort of
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  Speaker 3: the other with sort of I'm no gatcha that they
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  Speaker 3: think they have so it, but it always confuses me
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  Speaker 3: every time they bring it up and they're like, this,
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  Speaker 3: you broke like I drew that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, what are you trying to say? That's that's sort
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  Speaker 2: of the other thing that's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: It's that they're being basically, you're experiencing people that are
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  Speaker 1: using things that you did out of like you know,
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  Speaker 1: for fun or even being a little bit thoughtful or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: and it and it's it takes work to create these drawings,
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  Speaker 1: and they're trying to use the most uncharitable interpretation of
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  Speaker 1: what you did to try to like, you know, hurt
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  Speaker 1: your reputation exactly and damage your name.
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  Speaker 3: I'm definitely gonna I'm definitely looking forward to the day
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  Speaker 3: when I take them to court when you do what
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  Speaker 3: when I take them to court?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, are you doing that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm working on it.
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  Speaker 3: Over the years, I've been sort of compiling screenshots and
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  Speaker 3: receipts stimilar use against them, And I'm happy to say
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  Speaker 3: that that they very is approaching very soon.
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  Speaker 1: Well that's exciting. Yeah, and I think it'll be well, well,
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  Speaker 1: I guess we'll see what happens, but I think what happens,
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  Speaker 1: it'll be a big like, there'll be closure, at least
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  Speaker 1: you have a left of a great weight off your shoulders.
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  Speaker 3: Well it's more or less just to like kick kick
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  Speaker 3: those little chuds in the balls.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, that'll feel good too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, more or less that's what it is.
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  Speaker 2: It's like.
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  Speaker 3: And this this happens to me a lot online whenever
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  Speaker 3: I'm critical of Dana online because she is a raging,
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  Speaker 3: psychopathic narcissist. I know that sure, and and she is
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  Speaker 3: a bully, and she is a very shallow and vindictive person,
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  Speaker 3: and so normally I don't really comment on anything about
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  Speaker 3: her because again it's the past. But just recently I
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: did criticize sort of her motivations of her recent pilot
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: that just aired as usual, the usual sense came out
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: of the woodwork and did again went the same through
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: the through the same rigamaru that we just described again,
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: taking taking everything I've said and done online, using the
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: least charitable interpretation to ruin my reputation, and taking everything
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: out of context despite you know, anything that is the
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: contrary to that.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: So, like if you, I know that you've you know,
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: struck out on your own a couple of times, made
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: a few books. I have one of them. I have
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: Forsaken Gods, Yes, which is you know, I like that
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: there isn't a lot of dialogue in it, Like that's
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: I think that's hard to do. You're telling the story
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: with the images. But I think for Saken Gods has
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: a lot of legs on it. And I know that
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: there's like you have good ideas, but like if you
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: were able to, would you let's just hypothetically, should you
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: like strike out on your own and just do your
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: own studio, make your own stuff if you you know,
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: if you like had like a start your own business
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: in Yeah, and.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: If I if I had, if I had a million dollars.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: I would totally Yeah if you had a million dollars yet.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: Like yeah, I mean I would, Yeah, I would totally
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: love to start my own studio and offer work to
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: a lot of the same people in our demographic who
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: have found themselves out of work for ridiculous r Yeah
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: that that would definitely be a pie in the sky
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: dream of mine for sure. But with everything, the way
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: that that that machine works is you got to the
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: fuel is money. You need money to get the wheels rolling.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: I I am making a little bit of money and
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to work towards some semblance of I am
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: a lot more stable, in a lot more stable place
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: than I was last time I talked. Yeah, but that,
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: but you know, even then, I'm still not quite self
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: sufficient yet where I can sort of be a in
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: a in a ideal state to sort of contemplate that service.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so like you you, but you have like attempted
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: a couple of kickstarters, and what I I don't think
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: it's because well I don't know, maybe maybe you know
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: better than me, But you've attended some kickstarters. I guess
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: like they didn't end up being fulfilled for whatever reason,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: at least some of them didn't.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know the story for every successful kickstarter I've done.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: I've fulfilled Okay, Okay, Like no, I mean like they
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: met their funding goal. Not not that you didn't ship
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: the stuff out. I'm sure you didn't work.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: You're talking about the failed kickstarters.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah, how many how
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: many of the well, okay, how many kickstarters have you done?
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: And how many have I think I did?
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: I think I've tried well. I think overall I've tried well.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, if we're just talking row numbers, I think
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: I tried five and two. I think maybe two or
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: three succeeded something like that.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: The ones that succeeded were the second gods ones where
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: I hit my I hit my funding goal. The ones
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: that didn't succeed were animation crowdfunders, and it was usually
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: for the same thing, which is why that number is
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: like five and not like say two or three, because
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: I would put it on I would put the animation
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: project on Indiegogo and it wouldn't fund, and then I'm like, okay,
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: well let's just try a different platform, right, And so
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: I'd go to Kickstarter and I'd try that, and that
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: wouldn't fund. I'm like, oh okay, and then I would
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: try you know. It was sort of my process of
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: kind of like trying to throw stuff at the wall
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: to see what would work. And so ultimately the lesson
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: I learned was animation doesn't work unless you have, like,
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: you know, a solid follow up base. But for comics
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: can actually kind of work a little bit because people
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: want physical media. But I'm sure maybe you have some
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: insights on that as well.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Right well, you know what, I haven't really paid attention
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: a lot to the because I'm not really sure what's
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: going on with the whole comics skate or comics books
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: industry thing. There's a lot of weird infighting and yeah,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: yeah stupid, and I don't yeah, I kind of like
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: have because look the way I see it is, I
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: just want good stories. And I don't know, I mean,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: I've seen some of the projects and I didn't find
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: them all that enticing because I'm looking for something that,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: you know, like I think, I mean, what we need
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: is something that's gonna like really like break it open,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: you know, like I don't know, like what happened with
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: like the Fantastic Four, Like when Stanley's whole story about
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: you know, they were taking the furniture out and he,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: like his wife was like, just write what you want
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: to write. And he wrote that this might not even
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: be real, like it could be a bullshit story, but
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: it's it's it probably is a bullshit story, I know,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: but like we like, I guess we'd be something like
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: with that much impact. And I a lot of what
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: I see coming out of comments Gate is either derivative
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: or it's almost like a parody of itself. And I'm like, well,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: this is fine for now, but it's more short term.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: It doesn't really have like it doesn't have the potential
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: for lasting, you know, for lasting like sort of timeless content.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: I think that's really hard to do. So I'm not
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: even like blaming anyone for not trying. I think it's hard.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: But I will say, and this isn't me like kissing
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: your ass, but I do think that Forsaking God's has
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: the potential to be something really like special, you know,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: because it isn't from what I can tell, it's it
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: isn't like just like I don't know, like one of
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: the like Iron Giant or the old King Kong cartoon.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Nobody remembers that King Kong cartoon, but it was like
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: it was a little boy and he was friends with
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: King Kong. That nobody remembers that. Oh it's old. I
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: think it's from the seventies. It might even be from
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: the sixties, but it was from the Yeah, And it
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: was like a Saturday morning cartoon. And there was this
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: little boy for some reason. He was in the jungle,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: but he wore like regular clothes, like a striped shirt
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: and some you know, shorts, and he was friends with
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: King Kong, and and you know they would King Kong
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: would save him from things. I don't really remember.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: I just I just remember as King Kong does.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, as King Kong does. Friends with kids, women not
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: so much.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: She's just well, he.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Wants to keep them. He's just trying to protect them,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: the kids.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he lets the kids go his King Kong's morrals
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: are very finely tuned.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: I'll end the joke. Though.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: It's harambe. It's just it's just a precursory. It's radioactive
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: mutant harambe.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: But anyway, so people are wondering, we should probably like
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: get into this real quick. But I didn't put your
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: name on the title because you you have you have
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: people harassing and stalking you online. Yeah, what is this
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: has to do with the thing we were just talking about?
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: More or less.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, yeah, I've had a stalker basically harassing
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: me and following me around everywhere online, I guess non
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: stop for like the fast the past six five, six,
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: seven years something like that.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Whoa, yeah, you know what they want.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: They want to be angry at me. They want to
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: I know that they definitely want me to be a pedophile,
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: because that's all they ever call me.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: And again they do. They sort of use the.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: Same tactics that we've talked about before, taking a lot
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: of past stuff that I've said and done, taking it
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: out of context and using the least charitable interpretation and
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: throwing it in my face. It's gotten pretty serious and
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: he's definitely going to be the first person that I'm
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: going to be taking to court.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: You know. The person's a man like you know.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: That's the thing.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: I don't know who this person is because they use
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: multiple soccer accounts. I think they're on like their thirtieth
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: soccer account, and you know, and I blocked the account
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: and then they scream at me from behind the block
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: and then they realize they're not getting whatever narcissistic supply
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: that they're after, so then they make a new soccer account,
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: you know, drop into my replies on my purse, accuse
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: me of being a pedophile. The same old thing, the
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: same old, repeated, broken record process that they've been doing
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: NonStop for the past five to six years, and then
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: I blocked them and the whole process starts all over
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: it again. I mean, that's that's the least egregious thing
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: they've done. I won't talk about the most egregious thing
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: they've done because I'm not comfortable talking about it, because
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: it's really it's really really egregious. It's sort of what
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: they've done has basically been it's basically given me like
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: the magic bullet to basically take their ass to court.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: And once, you know, once I get enough of the
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: funds to get a lawyer, that's probably going to be
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: their very first thing I'm going to do. Yeah, just
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: just finding out who this person is and confronting them
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: and making sure that they pay for what they've been
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: doing to me like unchallenged for quite a few years.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: So party, and I appreciate you. Part of the reason why, yeah,
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: you haven't put my name on there is because I
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: requested it. Because again, they constantly search for me in
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: the algorithm to see where I'm going, and I've done
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: other When I was doing the crowdfunders for Saken Guards
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: and stuff like that, I was going to other people's
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: streams to try to promote it, and where whenever I
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: would advertise it and say I'm going to be on
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: this stream, they'd show up in the comments trying to
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: intimidate me, calling me again, calling me a pedophile, calling
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: me a loser, you know, calling accusing me of wanting
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: to rape Dana and all this odther bullshit.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it just I'm just absolutely fed up with it.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: It's absolutely bullshit, and I'm looking I am definitely looking
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: forward today when I to the day when I get
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: to unmask this maniac.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just sort of like scanting through your x
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: account to see if I see any any of this behavior.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: I guess you've been not blocked, but you're like unable
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: to access your Oh yeah right.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: Now, right now, I am my account has my my
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: my what would you call it. It's it's been I
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: can't comment, I can't like, I can't like.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: You've been limited in limitablity.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because well, yeah, recently because I criticized Dana my account. Yeah,
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: they flagged my account and it got Yeah, and so
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: for the next eleven hours, I can't really do anything
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: because I poked the hornet's tests because I mildly criticized
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: Dana terrorists.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: And so yeah, and so if.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: You want engagement, the new apparently the new rule is
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: is just you press the big red button that says
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: mildly criticized Dana terrorists.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: That's how you get engagement.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: I do see though, that you do talk a little
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: bit about things happening in the industry. Yeah, and your
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: sort of takes on it. I guess something happened with Disney.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: They're set to get a primetime adult animation block in
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: twenty eleven. Oh so that was almost quickly scrapped because
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: of the program's pitched for it.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it turns out that was really old. Actually, that
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: was back in September. Yeah, so it's an old story.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: But okay, yeah, but uh, but yeah, I do occasionally
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: I still do talk about what's going on the industry.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Right now.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: The industry is in massive decline thanks to the UH.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: I guess the endeavors of what organizations like Women in
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: Animation have been doing. The this is the fruits of
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: their labor. So, uh, you know, it's it's more or less.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: So it's so like the women wait wait, wait wait,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Women in animation have essentially achieved their goals,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: and they're probably gonna do more than just achieve their goals.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: It is the year where that should happen. And they're
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: getting a bunch of women making goon material for women?
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Is that? What is am I right about? That? Is
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: that happening?
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: I don't know about goon material, but all I.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Well, lesbian romances.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: And lesbian romance grooon material.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Women, Well, I think women have Have you seen what's
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: happened with women's literature? Oh yeah, and I use the
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: term literature. Yeah, it's doing a lot of heavy lifting.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: That is doing a lot of heavy lift lifting. I
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: know exactly what you're talking about. The thing I don't think.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure if your audience might have known this
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: or not. Everything that's happening animation industry right now has
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: been happening in the publishing industry for like more than
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: the last ten years. Yes, so it doesn't surprise me
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: now that. Yeah, literature in general and publishing in general
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: is kind of going the same way, or at least
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: Western publishing in general. Yeah, because it's the same kind
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: of thing. The people who make the decisions and what
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: gets published and what doesn't women and women aren't looking
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: at you know, is this a good story, Is this
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: something that has meaning to it that can reach an audience,
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: and if so, what audience is it targeting? So to say,
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: they are looking at who is writing the story and
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: how they could possibly use that identity to somehow capitalize
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: on the virtue economy, which is an imaginary thing. And
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: as a result, because they're not choose, they're not picking
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: things based on the merit of the actual work and
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: how good it's, how well it's made. Again, they're basing
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: it on whether or not it's their friends and they
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: just need to, you know, make sure their friends get
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: some money. And yeah, it's it's again. It's it's in
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: massive decline. I'm pretty sure their sales are going through
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: the floor. It's the same thing that happened in comics.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: They're trying to recover, but you know, that's probably going
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: to take the next whate ten to twenty years to
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: try to get back to where they were at some point. Yeah,
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: and even then that's not even going to be I
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: don't even think that's going to be feasible, because now
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: most of the new generations have sort of been trained
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: out of wanting to read and pursue comics.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: And I think the only thing that.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: They really have going for them at the moment is
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: that there are obviously a lot of comic book movies
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: that they're missing out and a huge opportunity here to
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: sort of sell more comics because the movies don't match
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: with some of the comics don't match.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: With the movies well, and the and the movies are
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: failing to like the yeah that everyone involved in writing them,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: they they have forgotten, at least when it comes to
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: sort of established intellectual properties that when you take over
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: as a writer, it does. It's not you. You're a
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: steward of it. So as a steward, you're supposed to
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: like respect what it was historically and try to maintain
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: the spirit of that thing. And they have completely abandoned
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: it because they're egotistical, insecure narcissists that need everything to
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: be about them all the time, and so they're telling
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: stories that they like because it's about them, but no
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: one else gets it, and it doesn't It doesn't work
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: like I was on the flight I went to Canada
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: to for a meetup last last Best like we had
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: we were gonna do a show earlier in September, but yeah,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: the meetup and the schedule if they just clashed. So
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: because I had to go to Canada, we delayed it
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: for today and I was on the flight back and
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: it was like a long flights, like four hours, and
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: so I was like, well, there's nothing to do, and
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: they said that nowadays, if you guys don't know, you
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: know how they used to have in flight movies. Now
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: they have it to where you can use your phone
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: to watch movies for free and like whatever you want
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: they have, Like, well they have a selection. So I'm
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: looking through the movies. I can't really find anything. The
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: only thing they had was what was it, the Thunderbolts,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: the Marvel Thunderbolts, And I was like, oh fuck, I'll
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: watch it just to see how bad it is, because
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: I know it's not good. And I didn't finish it,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, nobody, these people don't get
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: what this material is. Like, it's so it's and it's
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: not just in the films, it's everywhere. It's moved so
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: far away from what it was. No one remembers what
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: it was. It's vanished in just in the spirit of
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: what it was. And so when you know, and I
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: think that just you know, putting people in these roles
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: based on their identity markers, as you were saying, it
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: doesn't It doesn't help because nobody knows what it is
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: they're supposed to be doing. So all they do is
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: write what they like. And I think a lot of
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: these people came out of Tumblr and they were they
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: were convinced they were great writers because you know, their
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Tumblr stories got like ten likes from their friends or something,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: and so they get in the industry and they start
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: bringing that with them. And the worst part is is
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: that to some degree that stuff is a bit proven.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Like you see that what was it, Fifty Shades of
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Gray was basically a fanfic of Twilight, and they just
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: turn it into a series of books and then it
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: became a trilogy of movies, and so all these people
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: on Tumblr are like, well, they did it, why can't
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: I do it? You know, Yeah, can I have my own?
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Anastagia Steel?
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: And it's the blind leading the blind basically, yeah, And
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: it is that's a common problem in Hollywood where because
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: of everything we've just described, essentially, yeah, Hollywood in general
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: has just lost its competitive edge. I mean I'm kind
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: of glad about it now. I don't live in La anymore. No,
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: I'm happy to watch them crash and burn.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: But I mean, yeah, well they kind of have to
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: at this point, all of these creative industries they are,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: they're gonna have to completely implode so that they make
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: space for the talent. And and I think that when
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: that happens, people are going to expect talent too, Like
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: we're gonna be want because we need stories.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: We need to we do yeah, do we need stories?
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: We need people to be inspired.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: I think going at it with people on Twitter recently
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: about how they were complaining because I made a statement
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: where they were taking a tweet out of context where
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: I was saying. The original tweet was like last minute
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: lesbians and a kids cartoon, right, I saw that, Yeah,
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: the banger tweet of all banger tweets that I've done,
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: like apparently, and I actually got really good numbers on that,
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: And it was just at the time when I made it,
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: I was just like, Aha, it's just you know, a
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: throwaway joke. But again, all the crazies came out of
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: the woodwork, and the same rigamaru happened that we've already
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: been through.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: What Okay, but it's true. So I'm mis see if
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: I can share this with the audience, I'm gonna try
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: to well.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: Anyway, just to continue on the story. So someone was
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: someone took a screenshot of that tweet, and I said,
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: and they were trying to say, you know, is this
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: you bro? And I'm like, yeah, that is me. I
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: don't think it's very appropriate for children to be exposed
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: to advocating homosexual content. To them, it's like and to
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: sort of talk about that of a deeper level, it's like,
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: right now, you know, we are facing a real danger
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: of population collapse because our replacement levels are nowhere near
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: where they need to be, Like, we are far below
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: replacement levels. And yet they're championing this idea of having
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: a homosexual relationship which leads to actual no actual offspring.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: And when you push back on that, they say, well,
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: you know, homosexual relationships are normal, and I take great
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: issue with that.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: They're not normal.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: And but another argument or non argument that was thrown
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: my way was saying, you know, there's there's plenty of
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: heterosexual relationships shown on TV. Why are you complaining about,
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: you know, the scant few homosexual relationships shown on in media,
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: And that's actually a false argument. There's I would argue
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: that there's literally no or very little heterosexual relationship shown
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: to mainstream media now the day it's it's almost all
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: homosexual relationships. It's any homosexual relationships that are shown are
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: often put on a pedestal and shown that this is the.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Stand or platonic ones, like where exactly like where the
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: male and female relationship is purely platonic, or even one sided,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: with the man pining for the woman but the woman
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: not reciprocating exactly.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: Exactly, or vice versa. And you know, and to your
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: point and sort of you know, this is also my thesis.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: You know, it's becoming very clear that, you know, society
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: and humans, if we want to have a good society,
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: like a positive society and positive humans that's healthy, then
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: we need positive and healthy feedback loops. And the way
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: that you begin those feed back loops is through the
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: media that people ingest. And if they're ingesting a message
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: saying be gay, do crimes, then you're going to be
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: no next generation, and you're going.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: To have rampant crime.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: But if you have a message that says, you know,
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: get married and reproduce, you know, rest in peace form
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: of Japanese Prime minister, get married and reproduce and you know,
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: build a health the family, then that's going to you know,
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: inspire people to want to do those things. And so yeah,
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: we are reaching it feels like we're reaching a very
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: terrible inflection point and we're starting to get towards the
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: business end of it right now.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Wow, So you're okay, I will say this. I'm impressed
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: you are more outspoken than you were last time I
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: talked to you. I think you were playing it really safe,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: or maybe you just weren't as certain, but you're definitely
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: more like you have let fewer focks to give these days.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: True. Well, yeah, I do.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: That is you know what, You're right? That is true.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: Back in the day, I guess I was. I guess
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: I was still trying to deal with what had happened
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: because there was such a shock to me. And these days,
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: you know, I think it's pretty fair and everybody else,
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: a lot of people very much agree. And the last
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: election did, in fact kind of prove it. It's that
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: we're kind of basically sick and tired of this fucking
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: bullshit and getting pushed around and getting hounded and all
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: this other shit is just myself, and I would assume yourself,
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: and I would assume your viewers, and I would also assume,
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: and I hope I'm not wrong.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: I hope I'm wrong or not wrong.
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: That a large portion of the general population are really
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: just sick of this fucking bullshit. We're tired of it.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: We're tired of being told that the way that we live,
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: which has been ordained to us by God to be
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: prosperous and to multiply, because it's through increased populations that
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: we are able to increase our sophistication, and through sophistication
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: we can further divine the answer the answers that God
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: has laid out for us in the universe that He's
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: created for us to explore. Right now, what is currently
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: being you know, sort of fed to us or jammed
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: down our throats, I would argue, is very anti human.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: It's anti life, it's anti hope. And yet it is
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: they continuously contort themselves to try to gaslight into thinking
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: that it's normal and it should be celebrated.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: And I'm just not for that shit. I just fucking
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: hate it.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: It has no place in children's entertainment.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Absolutely not pre each brother. Yeah, no, that's the thing.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: That's really the thing is why aren't we just calling
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: it what it is. It's creepy as shit. It is
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: creepy lesbians in a kid's cartoon. It's creepy as shit
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: to do that. And because they assume that children are
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: not in fact impressionable, and we have seen how impressionable
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: children can be are yeah, you know, and I think
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: what we what we show them and the stories we
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: tell them, is it matters. Like their brains are just
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: like sponges, like they're absorbing all this information and they
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: know that, Like that's why they're that's why they run
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: the education systems exactly. They you know, like the people
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: in your studio that you worked around, they were all
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: educated by the same system.
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, they were educated by that system. I
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: lucky I was educated by a different system in a
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: different country.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, you perhaps were, although I don't know as Australia.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Australia is pretty woked these days. Yeah, it was delayed.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: They're shipping in the immigrants by the truckloads. Now Australia
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: is more or less basically almost lost at this point,
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: and I'm kind of glad I left that place.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's uh.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: And that's partly the reason why I take such issue
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: with a creator like Dana Terrace, because if you see
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: in that tweet right there, there's that image of the
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: owl House with the two self inserts of.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: Hers the owl houses right here, yeah.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And it was basically her version. It wasn't
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: even a fucking good show, like on a very conceptual level,
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: because it was essentially a gay version of Little Witch Academia,
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: Harry Potter and Pokemon kind of smashed together. So already
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: it doesn't get it doesn't get points for originality. Yeah,
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: but just the fact that again it's it's probably I
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: would say it's the prime example of sort of promoting
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: this shit to kids. But even to this day, Dana
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: is still celebrated. She just recently aired a new pilot
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: called Knights of Guinevere on It's this YouTube channel called
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: Glitch Productions, which is funny enough, an Australian company run
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: by male feminists Asian male feminists. You know, it's got
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: eight million views. But yeah, she despite what a bully
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: she is, what a narcissist and a psycho she is,
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: she is still celebrated. And I you know, I take
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: issue with that fact. I mean, if she were to
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: turn around and say, look, I was wrong, I want
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: to try and do better, and she did like a
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: one to eighty, then maybe I would be willing to
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: give her some grace. But she hasn't reneged done everything.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: In fact, she's mostly just doubled down, and it's mostly
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: just her first world trauma dumping and sort of trying
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: to explain to everyone how gay she is now.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: So well, that's what. Yeah, it's all self served. That's
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: it almost always is.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: To It always is self serving, and you can see
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: it in their storytelling, like all of their storytelling is
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: selfish storytelling. It doesn't try to reach out, don't go
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: through my fucking Twitter.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: I've done it. I've done it. It's too late. I'm
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: not sharing this with the audience.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: It's okay, okay, you guys can follow my ex It's
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: just that at pressure. Yeah, but yeah, it's you know,
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: and so whenever it really I guess it kind of
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: disturbs me whenever I criticize her even slightly when her
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: symps come out of the woodwork, and I'm like, okay,
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: so you people aren't very right in the head because
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: she was, you know, just just to go back to
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: sort of my past a little bit, you know, she
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: was one of the main people who was responsible for
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: destroying my career, showing my reputation and getting me kicked
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: out of the industry. Because again, it's this whole ultra
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: turboginocentric view that a lot of the males in the
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: industry who still have can the subscribe to about putting
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: women on a pedestal and just sort of acting as
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: subservient slaves to them, hoping that they'll be eaten lost
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: and uh. And that's probably one of the other reasons
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: why I don't really talk to anybody in the industry anymore.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: The ones that I do talk to are the ones
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: who can't get any work, and they generally tend to
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: be mostly upstanding dudes.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, if you guys want to send any super chants,
• 43:24
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• 43:27
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• 43:36
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• 43:39
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• 43:42
  Speaker 1: you know, provide us the services to allow that. But
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: it's a lot better than YouTube, which takes like close
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: to half or half what half your super chats.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad I'm not on YouTube anymore. Fuck that.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Rumble is better.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think it still needs some work to
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: make it.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: More fun, No, for sure. I mean when it comes
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: to the rumble rants like you get more, you get
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: almost all of it. But yeah, like YouTube, Google, they're
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: they're definitely getting big for the Bredges. But I gotta
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: I gotta rumble rant. Speaking of Rumble, mister oh three
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: oh three gives us five dollars and says I really
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: enjoyed forsaking Gods. It has such an amazing world and it
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: would be a shame if it ends where it did.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: Has Luke considered continuing it via non enemy platforms like
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: ericteralized rip assend Or and I guess he was gonna
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: say more, or Dan Pan's Burning Star Comics.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: I have considered all of those options. The problem with
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: rip Assent is that he takes a huge cut.
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not saying that what Eric does is wrong
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: and he shouldn't be doing it.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: He's very successful at it.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: He's he understands that it's a numbers game at the
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: end of the day, and he's he's played it excellently
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: and he deserves all the uh success that Yeah, all
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: the kudos, all the success that he's getting. A lot
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: of people, a lot of people have been sort of
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: trying to have or at least in the Putts, they've
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: been trying to dog pile on him as well, trying
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: to tell him how to run his fucking business, which
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: I don't know, but that's a I think I feel
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: like that's a different story for another time. In regards
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: to dan Fan Atrish, who's actually a good friend of mine,
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: I have sort of considered that I don't kind of
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: want to overshadow because right now she's sort of building
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: out her thing and I kind of don't want to. Yeah,
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: Dan Fan, I don't want to overshadow her stuff, so
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: to say. But I mean I have considered it as well.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: In regards to second guys, itself. I mean, I do
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: want to continue the story. I you know, was it
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: chapter volume two? I guess chapters three to four. They
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: have all been written out. They're not finished per se,
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: just because part of it is just sort of like
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: a time constraint because I have a day job and
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm sort of as I I think I
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: said to you offline, Brian, I'm kind of sort of
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: in my semi retirement phase. Yeah, but I mean it's
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: there and I know what the story is. But yeah,
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: it's like as I've gotten older, it gets it gets
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: a lot harder for me to sort of get stuff
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: out and for for sacond gods, I wanted to look
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: absolutely pristine and spectacular and and so that's sort of
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: another thing as well, because it's in full color. It's
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: not black and white, and so the coloring aspect is
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: a whole other that's a whole other bed to wrestle
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: with or yeah, yeah, and I and again, I want
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: to do a good job. I wanted to look good
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: and yeah, it's it's tough. And part of the problem
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: with that is also you know, again it's a numbers game.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: There's not really that And this is partly my fault.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: I'm not blaming anybody except myself. Part of it is
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: just whether or not there's enough interest and incentive, and
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: if there's enough interest, if there's enough incentive, right, like,
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: if I was to like sell do like say five figures,
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: like say twenty five thousand dollars on a kickstarter, theoretically,
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: if I was to do another kickstarter for like the
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: next volume, then I'll be like, okay, so there is
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: sort of interest. But you know, I've tried to sort
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: of do like reprints and those haven't funded and other things,
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: and that partly comes down to the fact that I
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: haven't I haven't really been willing to play the cloud
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: economy game, so to say, where I'm just streaming every
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: streaming every day, doing the Dog and Pony Show, reminding everybody,
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: partly because I don't like that. I don't like this
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: idea of people as brands, because people are infallible and
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: people make mistakes. Yeah, it's why does my throat always
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: draw up when I'm like in the middle of something
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: very poignant.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: That's okay, all right, but.
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's how I see it. I'm not
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: trying to make up excuses, it's just things have sort
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: of slowed down for me a little bit, and so
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: I kind of have to really prioritize what I want
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: to do.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: And how I want to live. And right now I am.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: I have another comic series called Something Man, which you
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: might be interested in.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Something Man.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's on my gum Road.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go look it up now, not this second,
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: maybe maybe the second maybe no no, not this second,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: but Something Man. I'm gonna look it up. Yeah, tell me,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: you guys look it up while we're talking, but not
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: not until the stream is over.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: So just just go to the Twitter and it's the
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: pin tweet is the link to my gum road and
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: you click.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it should be that on the on the
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: main page, not on the individual page for the same
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, gum Road. Yeah, yeah, I see it.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: I see it. I see Forsaken God's Volume one. But
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: if I click on your name, I see something Man.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, sure I saw this. I I saw this
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: in your feed. Yeah, kind of like a what do
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: you call them? A Sentai hero.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: And I think it's Centai.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Sentai yeah yeah, yeah, like a power range
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: sort of.
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: It's sort of a Centai show, but it's probably the
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: most political.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: Work that I've done. Yeah. Interesting, I don't know if
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: you want to bring it up on screen.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: I will. I will hold on, let me, let me,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: let me get let me grab that really quick.
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: Then I think you can prompt me with the questions
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: and I can, yeah, divulge wisdom to the people.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Something man, All right, let me see if this is
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: gonna show up. Yes it is, Okay, well I can
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: see it. Yep, this is on your gum road and
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: this is the cover. Looks cool. I like the light
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: stand for something or fall for nothing?
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: Right? Correct?
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Let me see what this is like? A summary here.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: After the Second Civil War, the government of the United
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: States of America was overthrown. Society collapse soon afterwards, and
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: in its place, the Collective Territories are Greater Americas CTGA
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: was formed, turning the once free nation into a communist
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: future dystopia filled with social credit scores run by an
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: authoritarian AI, and a new generation of citizens that exhibit
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: amazing supernatural abilities who are rounded up and used as
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: cannon fodder to maintain the new regime's grip on power.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: One of these individuals is a young woman named forty
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: three with the ability to observe and analyze her world
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: around her that most cannot perceive. She can feel only
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: a strange sense that the world she lives in is
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: a miss that is, until she meets a serm certain
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: someone or something. Yeah, like super like this. Oh wait,
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: so this is out this book?
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's issue one and that's that's two dollars.
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: I think that's forty Yeah, I'm not sure how. I
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: can't remember how many pages it is. Maybe thirty pages,
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: maybe forty pages.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: Sure. Yeah. And gum Road I've never used it, but
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: I guess you can just read the like web comics.
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: Or the gum road is like way you pay for
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: it and you download the PDF.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, that's that's what That's what I meant. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: that's cool. Yeah, I'll probably buy this.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: Hooray.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah you sold one, sold one, I mean I sold
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: three of them. Well, look, if you guys want to
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: support a Luke, you should and and I mean I
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: appreciate that you're so this is like your most this
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: is the thing too. And I know you're you're running
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: out a time because you have to go. So you
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: said you're gonna make give me like.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: An eye I can I can go a little bit
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: longer if you need.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: All Right, all right, yeah, that'll just me my Patren
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: show shorter. So but yeah, So I think that it's
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: it's really good that we're just like sort of like
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: talking frankly about these things, you know that stories, you know,
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: people say that they don't want stories to be political.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: I hear this a lot, and I've been saying from
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: the beginning that you can't really avoid it because if
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: your story is saying something moral, than it's saying something political,
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: like fundamentally, and when you say political, I think what
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: people think of is sort of like the sort of
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: modern you know view on politics, like we have to
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: talk about you know, political parties and like different kinds
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: of governments and no, no, no, no, it doesn't mean any
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: of that, like like that's actually getting a little bit cheap.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: When you're you know, telling a story, what you should
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: be looking at is like larger abstracts that represent you know,
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: the same thing, and you're and you're talking about universals
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: like universally preferable behavior I don't know what else to
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: call it upb and you're applying it in your stories
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: like why is why are we rooting for this character
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: that you want us to root for, well because they're likable,
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: Like why are they likable? Well because they do the
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: right thing, or because they do the right thing despite
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: you know, all odds or or all the temptations not
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: to or whatever it is. And that has to be
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: based in some something that looks like morality, so you
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: can't really like avoid it. And I think, I mean,
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe maybe people are realizing this now,
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: but I think that for the longest time they just
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: be like I don't want any politics. It's like, yeah,
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: but but there's no avoiding that you are going to
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: say something moral, like unless it's completely you know, indifferent,
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: like I don't know, pac Man probably is a moral
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: you're just trying to live and not well, yeah, but
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: like but there's not there's not a lot there either,
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: Like there's not much to it, you know, so well.
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: I mean unless he's start until he picks up the UZI,
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: there's not really anything.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: There with Yeah, but yeah, I think that like if
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: you're just saying, you know, I don't know, you're trying
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: to make a statement, like it could be based in
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: some Greek Aristotelian philosophy, you're still saying something that is moral,
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: which is ultimately something political. But but the thing is,
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: I think that the reason why I'm bringing this up
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: is that I think the left gets to control things
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: because they get to make other people feel like really
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: really ambivalent about morality because they tell them that it's
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: being political. And so people are turned off by politics altogether.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: But the left doesn't care. They just keep going. So
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: like you you end up with a vacuum, like or
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: you know, you get people that like they they go
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: too heavy handed the other way because they think they
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: need to like counter it. And I don't think that
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: works either. That's that turns people off. You know, like
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: making these kind of like you know, chick tracked type
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: comic strips that like involve people like going to hell
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: or whatever. Yeah, I think that that's not way to
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: do it either. Like you have to like do it
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: in a way that is relatable. It's important to be relatable, authentic,
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: and let's say optimistic, I guess in a way. I
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: mean even with the darker stories, you can do that too, ye,
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: And then I think that that's going to like get
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: people roped in, you know.
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I would agree with most of that
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: in regards to something Man. Yeah, I get what you're saying.
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: The problem is is, yeah, the left has absolutely taken
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: over and completely twisted the idea of making a political work,
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: and so in making something Man, I kind of wanted to,
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: I guess, show people how it's actually done. I don't
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: know if you have any specific questions about the book,
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: but for me, I kind of wanted to take sort
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: of these ideas of sort of what it means to
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: be authoritarian and to live in sort of this authoritarian world,
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: and how sort of ideology can be used as a
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: cudgel to control Peece, but sort of look at it
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: not in a sort of a jingoistic way where I'm
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: trying to portray either one side more favorably than the other.
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: It's more about showing people as people and how they
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: sort of react and interact and deal with sort of
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: the situation that they're in, or like the larger world
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: that has sort of been constructed. It's sort of I
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: don't know if you remember when Donald Trump was first
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: sort of running for president at all. Course, So the
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: thing that really that really got stuck in my brain
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: because sometimes I'll see things and something will get stuck
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: in my brain. I'm like, hmm, it'll start sort of
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: percolating on that one thing. And one of the things
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: that sort of like stuck with me was when Samantha
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: Bee was first was originally on The Daily.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: Show, right, yeah, and she did the skit where.
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: She was like, you know, I'm reporting from the future,
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: which is Trump's America, and you know, she's like, you know,
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: covered in dirt, she's kind of dirty looking, and you know,
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: the backdrop she's on kind of looks like dilapidated and.
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: Stuff, acalyptic, kind of kind of apocalyptic. And she's like, oh,
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: I'm here in Trump's America. I'm a woman in Trump's America.
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: And she had like this giant iPad on her wrist,
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: sort of like strapped her wrist, and she said, well,
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: you know, currently, my current stud of status rating is
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: a six, so it means, you know, I can I
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: can buy food, and I can walk freely without the
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: assistance of a man, but I can't vote. And when
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: I saw that, I was like, huh, that's really fucking weird.
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: But they would go to that nth degree. Yeah, that
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: was that was kind of like the crux for the
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: idea of something man, because it's the same kind of thing.
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: It's like, you know, they have this sort of essentially
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: all these these superpowered people are sort of basically in
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: this prison camp and they don't actually have names. They
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: have numbers, which is where the main character is called
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: forty three. But rather than the numbers where if you're
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: if you have a bigger number, you have you have
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: a better rating, it's actually the opposite, where if you
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: have a lower number, you have more privileges, so to say.
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: And the number ratings are based on sort of like
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: the immutable traits. Like the main character forty three, she's
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: this young black woman, and so she's sort of like
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: in the top fifty of privileged inmates. But they don't
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: call them inmates. They you know, they call them like
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: agents or whatever they get. They give them like these
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: sort of obscure terms to sort of like sort of
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: like smoke and mirrors, you know, stop make sure that
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: they don't ask too many questions, and so they give
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: they give these terminologies different names, which is another thing
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: you know, feminist leftists like to use.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: They like to manipulate language.
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: She's sort of being put in charge of these missions
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: to sort of like capture and retrieve other like superpowered
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: individuals who are coincidentally young kids and sort of bring
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: them back to the compound that they're all imprisoned in.
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: And even though she's being put in charge, she always
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: fucks up and she knows it, but she can't figure
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: out why she keeps getting put in charge.
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: And so yeah, that was that was sort of the
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: I guess that was sort of the the me taking
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: sort of that this joke that Samantha be made and
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: sort of going, you know, what would that actually be
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: if that was like an actual.
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: If that was real? Like what would be the implications
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: of this, you know what I mean? Like how would
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: they maintain order? Like how would they keep people in line?
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: So to say?
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: And so that's sort of how I that that. Yeah,
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: that was the main idea for something man. And so
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: I thought, you know, it's not enough to just have
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: it about this character. You need sort of another character
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: who's sort of the antithesis to the entire world, much
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: like a superhero, you know, like a unique individual who
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: sort of goes against the grain and fights for something,
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: for a brighter future, so to say. And and that
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: is like the character there who doesn't actually have a name,
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: and so you know, originally I was going to call
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: the book you know s for something, but I thought
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: that sounded too.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: Much like Ray Bradbury.
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: And yeah, instead I came up with something man because
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: he has the yes on his forehead and so the
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: yes stands for something, right.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: Uh huh uh huh. I like that concept. So you're
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: really like, you know, it's it's it's always important if
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: you're an artist or create a person is to create
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: a challenge. You're gonna take probably the least entertaining person
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: Samantha b And you're gonna make this entertaining.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I like challenges, but yeah, yeah, yeah, it
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: seems people.
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: Don't really appreciate that aspect of me trying to take
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: the impossible and make it possible.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: No, I think it's great. I think it's yeah. I mean,
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: I'm sure most people don't appreciate it.
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: But well, the thing is is like this, this, this
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: podcast right now or this live stream is the only
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: time I is the first time I've ever explained that
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: to anybody. I hope everyone appreciates where I'm coming from.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I appre I mean, you always, like, you know,
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: give a lot of consideration of what you're doing when
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: you make it. I really like that one. It was
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: like an animation called a pilot. It was like a
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: pitch for like aeon a dungeon crawling thing. That was
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: really cool.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah that's still online.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: That's awesome. Yeah, I think that's awesome.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they've they've tried to take that down as well.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, of course they have. Yeah, of course. So let
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: me ask you this. We'll we'll wrap up in like
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: five minutes and maybe if you want. Yeah, I'm going
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: to do a patron show and then I got other
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: things I gotta do. But let me ask you this
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: in light of well, a couple of things. One, so
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: you got stalkers or at least one, Yeah, okay, one
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: for sure, Yeah.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: One for sure. Maybe there's more. I'm not sure. I
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: can't tell you.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, one for sure. And it seems like their goals
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: are just to like I don't know if it's because
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: if you like just disappeared, they probably like have nothing
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: to do, like they so their goal seems to be
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: to make you go away in some fashion. Yeah, silence you,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: you know, destroy your reputation, and who knows why they're
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: doing it. It almost doesn't matter.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: But well I can I have a I guess as
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: to why, but continue a theory.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: Well, it's it's it's simple. It's because I it's because
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: I criticized danataris.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: Right, because you criticize the milady.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, I mean, yeah, they're all I mean, they're
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: all simps at the end of the day.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, So okay. But like the thing is, though,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: in light of recent events, does this not put this
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: kind of harassment in a different light? Like this this
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: kind of behavior, like you know, I've been saying for
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: years that censorship, which I think this counts as to
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: a degree. I mean, he doesn't have the power to
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: like remove you, but he wants you to go away,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: so he's doing this. Assuming it's a heat I could
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: just be like some angry lesbian that doesn't like what
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: you're doing with the lesbians. They do have really nice
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: their their stats for domestic violence are pretty good. Pretty
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: But but do you think because I've always said that
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: censorship is just a rehearsal for murder, and do you
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: like to think about that? Do you think that these
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: if you died, do you think these people celebrate your death?
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, I absolutely would.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: And that's the other reason.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: Now now I think I think both you, Brian and
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: a lot of people are starting to figure out why
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: I don't share my face.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: On the end, no, I know, I know why. I mean,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: I know, I get it, Like I like, I'm aware
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: of this danger.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: Here's the thing, I kind of saw this coming.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: Like years away, and so I made an active effort
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: to not sort of communicate particular personal details about myself,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: such as things such like they they're really obsessed with
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: how old I am, right, and so if they can
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: figure out how old I am, then they can figure
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: out sort of get into the ballpark of when my
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: birthday is. And these are all kind of identifiers that
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: they used to try to track you down. And the
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: first sort of I guess you could say the first
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: barrier is sort of a bead on what you look
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: look like, because if they can get a photo of
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: what you look like, then they can spread that around
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: and because of the Internet, then some then that that's
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: you're very likely going to get pinged because of it.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: And then from there, if they can get what you
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: look like, then they can figure out where you live.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: And if they can figure out where you live, they
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: can figure out sort of how to find out more
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: information about you, and then then and then I can.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: Just escalate from there.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: And so I've always done my best to sort of
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: be as careful as I can about that kind of stuff.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: But you know, some of my form appears who I
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: don't talk to anymore, who are who are comic skates.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: Still they would constantly like make fun of me of it.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: It's like, why are you hiding, dude, why aren't you
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: showing face? And I'm just like, if I try, if
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: I have to explain it to you, I don't think
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: you're gonna understand. And then just they never got it.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: And and I see lots of other people do the
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: same thing, and it's like you people are playing you're
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: playing dice with with with your you know, with the
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: integrity of you being alive every day when you do that.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: So yeah, it's.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: Well, I know a game developer who worked on a
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: lot of she she was a she's an industry veteran
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: that it's sort of like you. Actually she's living like
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: kind of off the grid and she like has a
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: farm and she raises rabbits, like she doesn't make she
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: doesn't do that anymore. And it was because she's had
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: her life like therese in a attempt made on her
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: life because she was critical, you know, like woke commie
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: feminists during gamer Gate and beyond that, because it's you know,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: gamer Gate is just where a lot of people saw it,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: but it's everywhere, and yeah, so I completely understand. I mean,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: my face is already out there. So I'm just kind
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: of like, Okay, I I know what the risks are,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: but uh yeah, I mean I can't really do anything
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: about it, but I'm not gonna shame other people for
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: wanting to take precautions at all, because I understand that. Well.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and the I guess the other thing I wanted
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: to say was, you know, we're going through some very
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: troubling times, and usually when troubling times start to happen,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: the first people who are on the shopping blocker artists. Yeah,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: and so that's sort of the other aspect that I
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: knew that from the start, and I was like, yeah,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: it's it's time to sort of, you know, hunker down
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: and sort of cover your tracks, because yeah, things can
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: go very south, very quickly without you realizing it. And
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: if you can sort of I guess blend in like
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  Speaker 3: the Gray Man, then you have at least a little
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  Speaker 3: bit of a head start to sort of get away
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  Speaker 3: from it and sort of try to escape and you know,
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  Speaker 3: take care of the loved ones. It's also part of
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  Speaker 3: the reason why I don't talk about like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: family or friends or any projects I'm working on that
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  Speaker 3: aren't already out.
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  Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's it's.
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  Speaker 3: Bad enough that most of the animation industry knows who
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  Speaker 3: I am. Sort Of part of the good thing is
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: is because I'm from another country, sort of there's a
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  Speaker 3: limit to sort of what they know about me, which
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  Speaker 3: is also good because it means that my you know,
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  Speaker 3: my parents and my siblings are protected in a way,
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  Speaker 3: which is something that I think is important because they
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  Speaker 3: didn't sign up for any of this shit, and I
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  Speaker 3: definitely would feel incredibly guilty and incredibly bad if any
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: of this showed up on their doorstep. And uh and
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  Speaker 3: that's more or less when I wanted to say on that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, there is a guy I watch. Okay,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: this is gonna sound like super boomerash, but I still
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  Speaker 1: have a Facebook page because I have family, and that's
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: where I like sort of keep in touch with them.
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  Speaker 1: And I go through Facebook reels and there is a
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  Speaker 1: guy who has a channel called Punky Doodles. You ever
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: hear of Punky Doodles?
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  Speaker 2: Never heard of Punky Doodles.
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  Speaker 1: Oh they're so great. They're little, they're little short videos
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  Speaker 1: with his drawing. I'll send you a link, but then
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  Speaker 1: you have to have a Facebook. I don't know if
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: you don't, you do, okay, I don't. Oh you don't, okay,
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  Speaker 1: Well I'll show you what it.
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  Speaker 2: Is because this guy, yeah, I've seen this.
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  Speaker 1: You've seen the okay, yeah, yeah, he's just like here,
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  Speaker 1: I'll unmute the tab here and I'll play you know,
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  Speaker 1: one of these. You're funny, and I thought, like, you
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  Speaker 1: could totally make these.
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  Speaker 2: I could. I am fought too ambitious.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just like two drawings with like one linus
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: I kind.
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  Speaker 1: Of well he animates them a little bit, a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: But he makes Yeah, the jokes are actually good.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: They are. Yeah. There, it's it's good stuff. So but anyway,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: let's see any any final thoughts anything you wanted to
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: ask us. And before we wrap this up, by the way, guys,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: if you can check out Forsaking Gods and uh he
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: has gum road. He's got a couple of books there,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: show him some love if you could. It is good.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not just saying, and they're really you know, it's
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: like a couple of bucks. Well Frizing got seven dollars.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean that's that's like there's volume one.
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  Speaker 1: It's like two or three books or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: Volume one is two chapters, so it's like one hundred pages.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh that's huge.
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  Speaker 2: So that's a pretty good, pretty good.
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  Speaker 1: Deal, I think, yeah, really good. Yeah and something man, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and some and something man. So yeah, go ahead, I'll
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  Speaker 1: drop a link. Actually, I think if you go to
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: his ex it's like the top, it's like the pine.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, so you can just go check that out.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: It's like right here, Fresher Luke at Fresher Luke and yeah,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: please support you there.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: Do you want to talk about the patroon Patreon?
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Sure, your patreon studio Pantoma. Yeah yeah, here it goes.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: So yeah, so what tell me about the patreon?
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: Yes, the patreon two dollars a month.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: The link is the link is in the I put
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: the link to this in the description.
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  Speaker 2: Did you did? I appreciate that there you.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: Looked you checked, you were following up on that.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: I do.
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  Speaker 3: I always checked because I want to see the thumbnail
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: and see what you do for Yeah, it's two dollars
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: a month. Currently it's sort of on hiatus because I've
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: got some pressing work that I need to get to
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: over the next Yeah. But if you want to, you
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: can join it for free as well. You want to
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: have access to the posts. But it's mostly just trying
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: to fund the animation work and just showing the behind
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: the scenes stuff. Yeah, stuff like that.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: So a question. Another question I meant to ask, are
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: you at all threatened or concerned about aiaking taking your gerbs?
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: Well, not now, because everyone's lost their jobs more or less. Yeah,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: and I haven't had a mainstream job in like six
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: or seven years, and so I'm not really I'm not
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: threatened by AI. I see it as a very viable
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: and every time I bring it up, the usual suspects
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: come out of the woodwork and chastise me for advocating
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  Speaker 3: for it. I think it's a I think once it
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  Speaker 3: gets to a certain stage where it's like actually good
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: and usable and consistent and versatile, then and be truly viable,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: and it'll be great. For independent creators like me, because
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: it'll essentially level.
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  Speaker 2: The playing field. God hope, God willing, God willing. Yeah,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: I think audio visual.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: Sort of con tent and entertainment will sort of become
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: like you know, vinyl and cassette tapes when they were
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: at the height of their heyday. It'll be sort of everywhere,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: so to say, and people hopefully, you know, my most
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: optimistic way of looking at it is that hopefully everyone
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: will then start to judge the works based on the.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: Merit and the quality of the work.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: And the quality of the story is rather than say,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: you know who's making it and you know what ideologies
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: it's trying to push. I'm sure there'll be some of
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: that in there, because I don't know if we're ever
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: going to escape the cloud economy. Yeah, but I want
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: to try and stay optimistic just in the sense that
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: I think it's probably going to be the most powerful
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: tool for somebody like me. I'm very much looking forward
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: to utilizing it and shoving in in the faces of
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: all those people who tried to make me homeless.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, is
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: going to make it to where your connections are not
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: going to matter as much as your ability to tell
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: stories that people with and I think that AI can
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: help with that. It won't be able to replace, you know,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: like I don't think a real like innovative you know, spirit,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: but I think that it can be a very powerful
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: tool that helps I mean, like at least as far
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: as I know right now. So but and yeah, it
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: could kill most most importantly, it'll kill the gatekeepers. It
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: won't be any Yeah. So well, we'll have to see
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: what happens. I mean, it's you know, it's it's who knows.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: G I baby.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, Well, so I gotta wrap it up here
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: just because of time. But I am going to be
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: going into the Patron Show, so you guys can hang
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: out with me there. I don't think Luke is gonna
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: stay for that.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: I can. I can stay for that.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: Can you get into the Discord though?
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: I could try? Okay, wait with Discord buddies, aren't we.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: I think so?
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: But I don't know.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: It's been a long time.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I will, you know, just shoot me a message.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: I will, Well, don't leave. I'm gonna I'm gonna go
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: it out here and then we'll just see if you
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: get you in the Discord then okay, So with that said,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: we're gonna go into the Patron show. I want to
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: thank Luke for coming on. Well, definitely have you on
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: again soon. There's so many more things like we could
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: have talked about. We're just like short on time. Yeah,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: and I hope that you will come back.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: I want to thank you Brian, and I want to
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: think Alison that you guys have really been there for
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: me when the chips were down and I've never forgotten that. Like,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: trust me, when Alison was giving me that work for
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: like twenty fifty a pop, that was like that was
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: like a light in the darkness like that that really helped.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: Well that's good. Yeah, well your work it deserves you know,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: it's worth it. It's it's always it's always really really professional.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: So yeah, thank no, thank you, and I want to
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: thank you guys most of all for watching. There's a
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: lot of thinking going on. So I'm gonna end the
• 1:12:47
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• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: so much for coming on today's episode of The Fireside Chat,
• 1:13:05
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  Speaker 4: Activists are machines, dude, Okay, they are literal machines. They
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 4: are talking point machines. They are impossible to fucking deal with,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 4: especially if you have, like, especially if you have like
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 4: a couple of dudes who have good memory. On top
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 4: of that, too, holy shit, you're fucked