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#234 - Civic Cipher · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Blueleg Kap Podcast Special guests in here, my guy Q,
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  Speaker 1: my guy ramses a civic cipher up. For people who
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  Speaker 1: don't know what civic cipher is, ramsis, I'll let you
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  Speaker 1: educate the people civic cipher is. You should put the
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  Speaker 1: mic in front of you too, ra. It is a
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  Speaker 1: radio show that exists to give the hip hop community
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more insight into the goings on politically
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  Speaker 1: in this country and to give a voice to the
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  Speaker 1: activist element that moves to create a better day to
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  Speaker 1: day life for black and brown, marginalized, impoverish communities, et cetera.
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  Speaker 1: What was the inspiration for starting the show? Really, it
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  Speaker 1: was twenty twenty, you know, folks getting out on the
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  Speaker 1: street and protesting. You know, let us know that there
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  Speaker 1: was a gap in there was a gaping hole in
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  Speaker 1: the media space. Yes, I remember that. Anyway, tell me
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  Speaker 1: more about the gaping hole. No, no, I'm not going
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  Speaker 1: to tell you about that. You should talk about that anyway.
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  Speaker 1: There was a gaping hole in the media space. Sure, sure,
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  Speaker 1: and in the media space. You know, uh, we are
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  Speaker 1: both DJs and broadcasters. I'm talking to you like you
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  Speaker 1: don't notice. You got to tell everybody else for people
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  Speaker 1: who don't know Rams is like my best friend in
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  Speaker 1: the entire world, best man on my wedding. Yes, you
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  Speaker 1: know I've known Kevin since he was three years old. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: so the reason bootleg keV is all into hip hop,
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  Speaker 1: this is true. It's all him. It's all his fault.
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  Speaker 1: It's literally his fault, his fault. We used to play
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  Speaker 1: guys when we were little, you know, little toys, not
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  Speaker 1: play with guys. That was what you called it. You
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  Speaker 1: called it guys guys like action figures, action figures. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: so lifelong friend, that's friend. But but yeah, that in
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  Speaker 1: the media space, there wasn't anyone talking about what was
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  Speaker 1: going on in the streets, no one giving a voice
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  Speaker 1: to the movement, no one talking about, you know what
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  Speaker 1: explaining the concepts defund police. How do we you know,
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  Speaker 1: create programs to kind of mitigate you know, economic you know,
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  Speaker 1: instability and and and you know, bring just an activist
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  Speaker 1: element to the to the airwaves. We was just if
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  Speaker 1: you would have turned on the radio at the time,
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  Speaker 1: it was just rapping and dancing and singing and fashion
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  Speaker 1: and there. It was just very like, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: obviously in radio there's not a lot of uh, time
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  Speaker 1: or space to really dive into those conversations right and
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  Speaker 1: outside of service level things, right. And so that's exactly
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  Speaker 1: what we pushed back against because you know, it's it's
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  Speaker 1: one thing. Q Q says it a lot better, but
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  Speaker 1: I'll try to get you started. It's one thing to
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  Speaker 1: you know, profit from black culture because you know, a
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  Speaker 1: lot of folks at the top, they didn't really look
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  Speaker 1: like the community that who's culture. Mostly nobody at the
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  Speaker 1: top there you go, mostly mostly exactly, So a lot
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  Speaker 1: of them people were benefiting from it, but they didn't
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  Speaker 1: really have a vested interest in whatever outcomes took place
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  Speaker 1: on the street. And we fought against that, uh, that balance,
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  Speaker 1: and so you know, yes, we take a moment, we
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  Speaker 1: turn the songs off, we turn the music off, we
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  Speaker 1: have conversations. We educate not just black and brown people,
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  Speaker 1: but everybody who communities right, anybody listens to hip hop.
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  Speaker 1: We figured they can be an ally to black and
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  Speaker 1: brown communities. They need to understand the conversations and struggles,
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  Speaker 1: the challenges. And then by having those conversations long form
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  Speaker 1: in spaces where people are because it's hard for folks
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  Speaker 1: to seek out programs like ours if you're we don't
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  Speaker 1: seek out you know, Vietnamese program and no disrespect, but
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  Speaker 1: I don't feel like it's creative for me. So I
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  Speaker 1: don't expect you know, non black people to seek out
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  Speaker 1: what would be considered black programming. They don't feel like
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  Speaker 1: it's for them. So by putting it in the media
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  Speaker 1: space where hip hop music can consume, black culture is consumed,
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  Speaker 1: it feels, in our opinion, feels a little bit more
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  Speaker 1: accessible for our listeners. And so this is how we've
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  Speaker 1: been able to connect with you know, radio stations around
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  Speaker 1: the country, listeners around the country. It's also available in
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  Speaker 1: podcasts form, sure, absolutely absolutely, So you know we've been
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  Speaker 1: doing that. We've been doing in since then. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: the Black Information Network, which is a subsidiary if I
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  Speaker 1: Heeart Media, has reached out and they've kind of tapped
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  Speaker 1: on us to kind of expand the show, and then
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  Speaker 1: I do a podcast for them as well. So it's
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  Speaker 1: been it's been a wild ride, but you know, making
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  Speaker 1: some proper How do you feel like it's like in
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  Speaker 1: terms of just like filling in the space that is
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  Speaker 1: missing that there were there wasn't anything sort of care
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  Speaker 1: to the issues or you know, I think your guys's
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  Speaker 1: mission before and I don't know why. You know, obviously
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  Speaker 1: there's I'm sure in certain markets there's like one off
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  Speaker 1: some people who do like shows like this but aren't
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  Speaker 1: necessarily trying to take the national approach to it. So
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  Speaker 1: the interesting thing, keV, is that our initial push wasn't
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  Speaker 1: for us to do a show. So it's hard to
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  Speaker 1: tell the story and leave that part out. We didn't.
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  Speaker 1: We weren't trying to jump, you know, in front of
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  Speaker 1: the mic or in front of the camera. Just make
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  Speaker 1: sure your mike's turned down a little to tell the story.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, we just thought somebody should, right. So when
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  Speaker 1: we first at that first meeting with the PD, it
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  Speaker 1: was like, hey, you know, we got some unrated space
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  Speaker 1: overnight that's running. Are you talking about that at the
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  Speaker 1: Beat Arizona, Yes, sir, that's now the Bounce. That's now
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  Speaker 1: the Bounce. That's weird. The reason they changed their name
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  Speaker 1: because well they were also owns the Beat trademark, so
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  Speaker 1: there's that what Yeah, Rams just owns the Beat, so
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  Speaker 1: they had to change the whole situation. But and we
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  Speaker 1: can talk about that too, But we were in the streets, Kevin,
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  Speaker 1: you noticed more than more than a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: when everything was happening in twenty twenty, a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people were outside with their skids, with their families, like, listen,
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  Speaker 1: there's some things that are going on that have been
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  Speaker 1: going on for so long and we just kind of
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  Speaker 1: collectively all over it. Yeah, for sure, but the way
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  Speaker 1: that it was covered on television, even on some broadcast
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  Speaker 1: media was just not that, you know, call people rioters
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  Speaker 1: and protesters, I mean not protesters, but rioters and looters
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  Speaker 1: instead of protesters. So Rams is his idea was, listen,
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  Speaker 1: there's some people out there whose voice only goes as
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  Speaker 1: far as a bullhorn. It would be cool if we
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  Speaker 1: can just have them come on the radio and have
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  Speaker 1: a place where they can say their piece and tell
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  Speaker 1: their story. And we got some unrated time overnight that's
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  Speaker 1: running what Don't Drink and Drive ads or something where
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  Speaker 1: we could you know, talk about that. And the station
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  Speaker 1: was initially like, yeah, that'd be a great idea. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we should put something together. And then a month went by,
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  Speaker 1: and then a couple months went by, and then a
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  Speaker 1: few months went by, and just in the spirit I think,
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  Speaker 1: in the spirit of follow up, Ram just went and
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  Speaker 1: had a meeting with you know, I'll let you say
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  Speaker 1: the gentleman's name, Adrika RPD. At the time, Hey, remember
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  Speaker 1: that thing we talked about that everybody said would be
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  Speaker 1: a good idea? Are still to do that? And there's
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  Speaker 1: so many things they could have said back to us
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  Speaker 1: keV that we would have just had to take on
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  Speaker 1: the chin and run with, like, Hey, you guys, great idea,
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  Speaker 1: we don't want to do anything divisive. Hey guys, wonderful
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  Speaker 1: concept you guys talked about, but we don't really do
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  Speaker 1: political in this space. Had they said something like that,
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  Speaker 1: we'd thought it was BS. But but we could have
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  Speaker 1: took that on the chain. What they said, or what
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  Speaker 1: he said, more specifically, was we don't want to do
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  Speaker 1: a black show. Wow. And the reason why that part
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  Speaker 1: of the story is important because Civic Sipher now seems like, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: those guys had a great plan and they ran to
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  Speaker 1: play and it worked. That's not what happened. We pitched
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  Speaker 1: an idea to the station they told us as initially okay,
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  Speaker 1: and this is at the time, I mean still is
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  Speaker 1: a hip hop station, Yes, but it's a hip hop station,
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  Speaker 1: a hip hop station that plays nothing, nothing but black music.
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  Speaker 1: That was in Phoenix, Yes, My charge was that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a station that plays seventy percent black artist and one
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  Speaker 1: hundred percent black music should also align itself be an
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  Speaker 1: ally to a community in need where we're hurting. You know,
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  Speaker 1: people are dying. We're coming together. We're trying to change
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  Speaker 1: so that we can create a better path forward for
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  Speaker 1: our children. Right my father, what's fred Rico doing now?
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  Speaker 1: Sell in real estate? Like every other bum ass PD
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  Speaker 1: out there, they can't get a job. Man. Look, I
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  Speaker 1: haven't kept up. I will say this because it's important
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  Speaker 1: to say it. I talked to Fred, he wished me
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  Speaker 1: well on my journey, and I will leave it there,
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  Speaker 1: but I would want to say this too. Let me
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  Speaker 1: let me say this because you know, for folks that
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  Speaker 1: aren't familiar with Civic Cipher, you know it was talking
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  Speaker 1: about you know, keV listening to my CD books. After
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  Speaker 1: Fred and I had our meeting, I don't think I
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  Speaker 1: don't even think you know this. You have to bear
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  Speaker 1: in mind, I've been a radio broadcaster my whole adult
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  Speaker 1: career up to that point, and when I decided to
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  Speaker 1: resign after that meeting, I had to come to terms
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  Speaker 1: with the fact that I might never broadcast again, and
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  Speaker 1: that's a lot to come in terms with because in Phoenix,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I was kind of you know at that time,
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  Speaker 1: especially for people who don't know you. You decided to
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  Speaker 1: resign after they said we're not going to put the
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  Speaker 1: show on that he said, ramses, I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: know way that they said it. I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: do a blow. I had to do it the way
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  Speaker 1: they said it, right. So I wrote my resignation letter,
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  Speaker 1: but I addressed it to the city of Phoenix because
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  Speaker 1: the Phoenix had given me my ratings, Phoenix had kept
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  Speaker 1: me on the air across multiple stations and so forth.
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  Speaker 1: But I did make one phone call before I posted that,
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  Speaker 1: and I called you, and you were in Mexico at
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  Speaker 1: the time with your wife, and I read that to I.
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  Speaker 1: Remember I was crying, Yeah, I was, because you imagine
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  Speaker 1: when I got to the house you were still crying. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the emotion that goes into that. And I didn't know
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  Speaker 1: what was coming next. But I read that letter to you,
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  Speaker 1: and you was like, there's no way you can write that.
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  Speaker 1: And I posted, posted, yeah, posted it and then got
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  Speaker 1: shared when viral the trades picked it up, you know,
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  Speaker 1: everyone picked it up, and then PD started reaching out
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  Speaker 1: around the country saying, hey, we'd like to carry that show.
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  Speaker 1: And then of course the podcast partnership with iHeart helped
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  Speaker 1: blow it up even more. And you know, then the
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  Speaker 1: other shows that I that I ended up doing it
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  Speaker 1: just led to sort of this snowball effects. So we
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  Speaker 1: had to create that on the spot. When these people
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  Speaker 1: started out, there was no show. The show didn't exist.
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  Speaker 1: We just had an idea. But you know, Ramsey's initially
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  Speaker 1: resigned both of us from the beat, like okay, we
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  Speaker 1: don't work here no more, and then called me and
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  Speaker 1: told me, and of course right, but just he was
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  Speaker 1: that compelled, he felt that strong in that moment, like,
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  Speaker 1: imagine looking at for the cameras, imagine looking at him,
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  Speaker 1: We're not going to do a black show on the
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  Speaker 1: hip hop station. Like it's a crazy thing to say,
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  Speaker 1: he loud to me, especially you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: So that decision kind of made it self care and
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  Speaker 1: then it was time to get to work, Q I
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  Speaker 1: need you to commit to doing this with me. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what it's going to become, because you know
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  Speaker 1: it's worked out now we might top of the year,
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  Speaker 1: we might be on almost seventy stations. So it's worked
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  Speaker 1: out now. So it seemed like we had a plan
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  Speaker 1: and we ran to play like nah, it was just
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  Speaker 1: the station made a decision for us. We don't want
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  Speaker 1: to do a black show, made the choice for us.
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  Speaker 1: What happened after that, they just kind of came together.
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  Speaker 1: So if you believe in God or the universe, or
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  Speaker 1: you know, whatever your belief system is, that's kind of
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  Speaker 1: where those thanks go. Because we had no idea and
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  Speaker 1: our minds were never going to work in radio again
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  Speaker 1: because Ramses's letter burned the station down. He named names.
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  Speaker 1: It was very it was very very specific, but had
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  Speaker 1: to be done in that way, you know. But but
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  Speaker 1: we figured, okay, once this is published, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: how we're gonna do, you know, as far as the
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  Speaker 1: career thing after this. So once you the letter goes viral,
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  Speaker 1: did they ever Like they never even replied to it
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  Speaker 1: or try to. I had a brief line of communication
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  Speaker 1: to the general manager of the station, because you know,
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  Speaker 1: we're at a point Paul Holton, Okay, what's the other
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  Speaker 1: guy's name? Is always there? The the other old old
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  Speaker 1: dude that's been there forever, Michael Michael Malice, Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he was going by. Okay, okay, so Michael wasn't involved,
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  Speaker 1: but anyway, Uh yeah, I had a brief line of
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  Speaker 1: communication because we're going back and forth in the newspaper
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  Speaker 1: and in the trades. You know, they're saying it's this,
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying it's that, you know what I mean, And
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  Speaker 1: of course they have to spend it, have a whole
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  Speaker 1: business to protect, so they don't mind reframing the conversation,
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  Speaker 1: the narrative around. They even try to get somebody else
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  Speaker 1: to do the show. Yeah, yeah, I think they hired
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  Speaker 1: Cedric Sabalo. Shout out to said that's my guy, but
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  Speaker 1: they hired him to do it. And then I think
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  Speaker 1: it was like Jackie Morales is another name out in Arizona.
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  Speaker 1: Some folks to try to pick up the slack because
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  Speaker 1: the community had since charged that station with hey, you
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  Speaker 1: should be doing what this guy resigned about, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean. So you know, everybody ended up winning again.
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  Speaker 1: I kept a brief line of communication open with Paul.
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  Speaker 1: I still believe Paul to be, you know, friendly with me,
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  Speaker 1: but obviously because of where he works, in the situation circumstance,
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  Speaker 1: he probably can't talk to me. And I Honestly, I
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  Speaker 1: believe that a lot of those people really had good intentions.
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  Speaker 1: Was just one person who made the wrong decision at
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  Speaker 1: the wrong time and said it the wrong way to
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  Speaker 1: the wrong person. Because I've been I was the president
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  Speaker 1: of the Black Student Union in college INAACP at BSU.
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  Speaker 1: This isn't new to me. I've been on this path
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  Speaker 1: for my life trying to make sure everything is fair
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  Speaker 1: and equal. Because you know, we reached me and u keV.
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  Speaker 1: We reach heights from playing with toys as a little kid.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. We reach heights wed never
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  Speaker 1: thought and you know, for me, obviously it comes with
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  Speaker 1: an additional charge for you too. You've been really late
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  Speaker 1: about that, but it comes with a charge of Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Now we have to make sure that people that don't
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  Speaker 1: make it to this height, we're doing right by them.
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  Speaker 1: We're making the world a little bit better placed, a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more accessible, and you know, helping change the
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  Speaker 1: narrative so that you know, we leave a legacy that's
• 13:28
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  Speaker 1: Las Vegas. Let's get back to the interview. So how
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  Speaker 1: did you end up? So you ended up buying the
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  Speaker 1: name the Beat trademark it? Yeah, in what? In what capacity?
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  Speaker 1: Because there's I mean a lot of radio station So
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  Speaker 1: there's like the major companies that own the Beat. Sure,
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  Speaker 1: so there's there's Uh, it's funny because I'm learning all
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  Speaker 1: this stuff on the fly. In fact, I got a
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  Speaker 1: funny story to tell you about trademarks. But so there's
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  Speaker 1: a way you can trademark a name locally, like in
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  Speaker 1: a state, and then there's a way that you can
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  Speaker 1: trademark something federally, and it's basically protecting a brand or
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  Speaker 1: a name or a concept or something like that. So
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  Speaker 1: I didn't have to do too much anything. And the
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  Speaker 1: truth be told, we have a friend, we all three
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  Speaker 1: of us have a friend named C who trademarked it
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  Speaker 1: for me in my name and gave it to me
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  Speaker 1: as a gift. Just sad. Listen, man, since you resign,
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  Speaker 1: I went ahead and trademarked that for you to beat,
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  Speaker 1: or just one one to beat. So the next time
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  Speaker 1: that that name is heard in Arizona. It'll be because
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  Speaker 1: you owned it. And he was like, listen, if you
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  Speaker 1: want a radio station, we can talk about buying you
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  Speaker 1: a station, you know, getting you some placement or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, it's just it's just being real friendly,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But I do own the name,
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  Speaker 1: so no one else can use it in terms of
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: the federal trademarks. Is that why they changed their name.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: They changed the name because the backlash from their black employee,
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: who's the most tenured, who had the most you know,
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: clicks on the website, you know what I'm saying, had
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: resigned in such public fashion over allegations that they weren't
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: being fair to the community. They were just taking money
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: and not giving anything back. And that was my charge. Listen,
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: if you're not a black person, but you partake in
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: black culture, the way I say it is, we don't
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: mind if you eat from our table, just make sure
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: you save us a seat. I think that that's more
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: than fair, more than fair charge to anybody who partakes
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: in black culture and uses it to make money. Just
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: imagine that these are human beings who actually have to
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: live and die in order to these stories to exist.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: And we don't want to live this. We weren't just
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: born to die and sell dope and you know, struggle.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: That's not fair and if you are profiting off of
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: that pain, you know what I'm saying. If we asked
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: for a seat at the table, we only asked for
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: thirty minutes initially in the middle of the thirty people.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: And it didn't even have to betes a week. And
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: it didn't even have to be us on the station.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: It could have been anybody else. We would have just
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: made sure that we got the guest book, you know
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So that's been my charge. But you know,
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: after that backlash, the station rebranded. Yeah, they had to
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: make some changes. Are they aware every time you google
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: one on one one that beat the story came up first.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: Are they aware that you're on that now? They will
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: be after they hear this. I didn't have no reason
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: to stunt on nobody, you know what I'm saying. I'm
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: trying to do good, good work, and I believe now
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: those people they learned a lesson. I never I've worked
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: with them for a long time. They weren't bad people.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: They just made a bad call again. But you know
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: they've since done a couple of things. The shows. They're
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: committed to making things right, so I don't want to
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: like keep beating up on them. But I got to
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: tell the story how it went. So if I say
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: your name in the interviews, because that's how it happened.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: So yeah, man, But you know, for now, I'm focused
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: on making sure that we have conversations that are dedicated
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: to healing, you know, conversations dedicated to you know, giving
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: insight into what different people's experiences might be like, trying
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: to create more empathetic allies. We feel like we'll find
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: allies for the plight of black and brown people in
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: the spaces where we broadcast and you know podcast as well,
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: and we need to give them insights so that when
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: they go home for Thanksgiving and they sit in their
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: uncle's presence or their dad's presence, they know how to
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: have conversations that will show that, Okay, there's a different
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: way of looking at this, pops, you know what I'm saying.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: These people actually have some other you know what I'm saying,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: And so we lean on a lot of great thinkers.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: I never thought I was a DJ. I never thought
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: i'd be in this position, you know, we both were.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: You know, he was djiling for the Phoenix Suns. You
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So who's to say, you know
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: what tomorrow holds. But when the call comes and you're
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: the only person holding the ball, what do you do?
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: You run with the ball. So you know, that's how
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: we ended up, you know here, and to piggyback off
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: of that, we've done our best to grow it even
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: more so again I mentioned to be in daily podcast,
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: making sure we have platforms to tell these stories. But Q,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: hopefully I'm not putting your business out there. But he
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: recently acquired Hip Hop Weekly, the media imprint. Yes, that's
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: that's his now, and you know he can, you know,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: tell stories how they deserve to be told, and you
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: shaping it up. Don't let me speak for you. No,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, we were planning to relaunch Top of the
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Year and a bunch of people that we know and
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: a bunch of people we don't know, freelancers, journalists, photographers
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: and up and coming artists will have a space that
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: kind of always existed but didn't have the light that
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: it deserved. So just kind of rebranding that magazine because
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Hip Hop Weekly is like kind of like a you know,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: it's it's uh, would you say, it's kind of like
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: the tabloid version of like it's kind of like Hollywood Unlocked,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: but in a magazine form. Yeah, kind of before all
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: the all that existed, Yeah, for sure. So and it
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: was still in print, like it'd be next to like
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: US Weekly, Yeah, you know all that. So coming back
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: to the digital space with something that was a printed magazine, right,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: and really creating a new platform for not just creators,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: but artists that will not when the artists are creators,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: but not just the people who capture the stories, but
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: the people that create them. So you know, branding and relaunching,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: you know, doing covers again, like really giving people something
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: to read. And yeah, because the covers prior, I think
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: it was very like it was like a bunch of
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: stuff going on on the cover. I mean you said
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: it, it it was just like how if you go see
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: US Weekly magazine at the grocery store. Now like a
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: bunch of headlines. We're trying to do more classic covers.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: As I say, the headline. Really it's a little harder
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: to the Internet. It's like it's like harder to keep
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: up if you're printing because by the time it gets printed,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: who knows how the story's changed. Yeah, especially if the
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Kanye shit. Like every other day, we record our show
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: a day ahead of time, and it's like Jesus, I
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: can't even fucking we can't even keep up with all
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: the wild shit happening. Speaking of that, you own white
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Lives Matter, indeed, yeah, so uh so for people who
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: don't know. So this is the other part. You you
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: technically own the term white Lives matter, the trademark. That's
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: a federal trademark that applies to the whole United States.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: So yeah, if you were to go and look it up,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: it's owned by Civic Cipher LLC. We acquired the trademark
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: from an individual in our orbit who procured that and
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: then also filed for All Lives Matter federally because they
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: weren't trademarked funnily enough. And so this person did that
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: and wanted to ensure that the right people would benefit
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: from those sayings, and we ultimately ended up acquiring it
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: through our lawyer Morris. So now we are the deciders
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: of who profits from those terms white lives matter and
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: all lives Matter. So if you ever see any individual
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: selling that shirt, it's either illegal or they had to
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: come down to our street and knock on our door
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: and we had to negotiate the terms of that cell.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: So when are you assuing Kanye West. Well, if Kanye
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: West or any other person decides to sell because he
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: hasn't sold any he hasn't sold those yet, right, and
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: so he decides to sell something, you know he will
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: either have to get clearance or he has to face
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: our trademark attorneys. Because I saw he was just giving
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: away the shirts and skid row. He was just passing
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: him out the homeless through that. And then that's that's
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: totally fine. But in terms of profiting off of a
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: statement that is intended to dilute the significance and the
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: thrust of a statement as affirming as black lives matter,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: the right people should decide who gets money off of that,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: who gets money off of that? Exactly, if you wanted
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: to affirm for yourself that white lives matter in your
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: own path through life, that is your right you can make.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: You can paint it on your shirt, no one can
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: stop fight. But if you as soon as you want
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: to sell it, you are infringing on Civic Cipher LLC's
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: federally protected trademark and you will be suedow. Yes, you
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: can look at us any lawsuits yet. No, no, no,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: we just sent out seas and desists to people that
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: were selling bootleg versions of that stuff. Oh I didn't
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: send them out the lawyers, did we know, we're not lawyers.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Somebody sent was selling fake white Lives Matter shirts. Oh yeah, yeah,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: yeah people so and then the ausest matter to Once
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: that comes back, you know, the cnds go out and
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: then you know, if you ever do see a person
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: selling them again, they came and they knocked on our door.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: We worked it out, or we choose to donate that
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: money whatever. If we choose to donate that to certain
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: organizations or whatever, then that is our right and we
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: can decide how that money gets spent, and hopefully it
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: will be for the betterment the communities most impacted by
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: folks likely most likely to wear those shirts. So you know,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: there's your catch. Twenty two. We learned from Byron Allen
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: that you you want to own the game, not the
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: game piece, and so and just again, some fortunate sequence
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: of events took place and ended up with sort of
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: the hot topic of the day, this white Lives Matter thing,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: and you know, you can look it up yourself. You'll
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: see Civic Cipher Studios address. Everything is all there, right, Yeah,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on just everything, Kanye from the
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: last two weeks or so, It's been a rough two weeks.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: I'll let you jump on that. It's been a lot. Started.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: It started with the White Lives Matter thing, which it
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: was like, Okay, this guy's I felt like he was
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: just trolling for the wrong reasons, real hurtful. Yeah, but no,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: accually got some interesting thoughts. Drink Champs interviews, Wild Wild, Yeah,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Kanye West is kind of the leader of a really
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: really interesting movement right there. There's a time in the
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: last several years where group think, right right, being contrarian
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: to group think is being accepted as intelligence. If I
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: just think the opposite of what everybody else is thinking,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: then I'm gonna just show everybody how how on top
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: of it. I am no research, no studying, no information,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: just whatever everybody seems to be saying, say the opposite.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: I'm going to say the opposite, and I'm gonna show
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: you guys how freethinking I am right, which isn't irresponsible
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: if you just work down the street at Panda Express.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: And that's just what you want to get off your chest.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: But when you have this stature and the influence of
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: someone like mister West, he's probably the most influential human
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: being ever, it's grossly irresponsible. Yeah, and if you've noticed,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: he's developed a bit of a zealot following, where in
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: their minds he can't do or say anything wrong, even
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: if it's blatantly and fagrant, flagrantly untrue. We can't agree
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: on what's facts anymore. I think people are just more
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: likely to forgive Kanye because they love his music so much. Yeah,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: there's that, and they love his shoes and they But
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: I feel like that only goes so far. And I
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: think he might have hitten that. He might he might
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: have hit that wall of like people. He has some
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: people with him, though, keV that want to also be
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: viewed as leaders of the in the free thought space.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: And they think that by again just bucking the trend,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: whatever I'm contrarian about in my circles and on Instagram
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: and on Twitter, I can be viewed as free thinking
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: and of a higher level of intelligence just by saying
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: the opposite of whatever is popular. Accepted opinion, even when
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: popular accepted opinion is based on fact. I'm just going
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: to say the opposite so I can show you guys
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: how woke and learn it I am. And he's the
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: leader of that school, really really is. As you can see,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: I think he's with trying to come across as a leader.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: It's it's pretty wild. Well because technically he is a leader.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: The problem is is he doesn't carry himself like he
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: has those responsibilities. And like you know, I think that
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: some of the anti Semitic shit he's saying is crazy,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: so hurtful, it's just wild and so like he said,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: he had said something like Jewish people have controlled Black
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: voices for so long and if you if you feel
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: that way, can't you just say, black people, it's time
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: we start controlling our voices without mentioning, without mentioning another. Absolutely,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: especially when you're the self proclaimed richest black man in
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: the history of the United States, you, sir, can absolutely
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: create that space where we own our own stories, our
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: own voice, and our own platform. Like even with the
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Trump thing, like I understood what he was trying to do.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: He was trying to push the line that says, hey,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: the Democratic Party had been taking advantage of black voters
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: this whole entire time. Let me show y'all you don't
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: have to. Like when he really explained it out, I
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: was like, well, I get the what he's trying to do,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: but the way he did it, you can do that
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: without all. You could just say it or you could yeah,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: you could say it without looking like you're fucking you're
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: hugg Like he looked like a kid who met his
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: favorite celebrity. I mean he called the guy a father figure,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: like his dad, Like come on, dude, Yeah. And so
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I think like Kanye is just very He's just very
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: The way he communicates what he thinks to be right
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: is just so short sighted and it's just very. Like
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: it's like, dude, like like the White Lives Matter thing,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: he's like, I think he what did he say? He
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: said Black Lives Matter was a scam. There I ended it.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: And it's like, you could be very you know, critical
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: of Black Lives Matter the organization as Kanye West, yes,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: and be and point out a lot of shit, but
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: what is the point of doing that while also putting
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: on a shirt that says white Lives Matter. I want
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: to add to that though, because you know, I hear
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: a lot of that stuff, you know, but for someone
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: in that position, you have to bear in mind that, well,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: there's a bunch of different there's a bunch of different
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter organization. Let me let me say this, okay,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: So I come from the tradition of so my teacher,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: doctor Camille Westerb. Yeah, you know her. Shout out doctor Westernburg,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: shout out doctor Westerberg made sure that I learned what
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: movements look like, what struggles look like, you know what
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: I mean. So we learned from the panthers, We learned
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: from you know, all these these organizations, these individuals with
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: groups and movements around them, you know, the Stokelyes, the Baldwin's,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: James Baldwin, all these folks, right, and these folks that
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: had contrarian opinions that ran against what was popular in
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: the country at the time. And you know, people used
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: every trick in the book to frame folks as being this,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: that or the other, right, just because you know, these
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: are information wars, right, it's a matter of influencing public opinion.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: If you can make doctor King look like the most
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: evil human being who ever lived. Most when doctor King
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: was like most people opposed his views. Most Now it's
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: all good because he's been rebranded. Right. So I take
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: when people talk bad about BLM the organization, I take
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: that with a grain of salt. I also add to
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: it that BLM has done a lot since Trayvon Martin
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: died in twenty twelve. Right, It's been around since then, right,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: And they've done a lot of good things. And every
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: organization deserves to be able to grow up. You know,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: the Kennedys, the great American family, they got their money.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: They got their start in prohibition. In Prohibition, I mean
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: they were selling illegal products in the United States of America.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: That's how they got their money. We're able to attain
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: political status in this country. And you know they say
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: most every fortune is built on the back of the crime,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: or something like that. There's a popular saying, which I
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: don't believe necessarily that BLM has done anything criminal. They've
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: just done things that perhaps most folks don't agree with
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: in terms of how things should be spent. Based on
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: what I've read, they haven't like robbed any banks or
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: killed any people or anything. Yeah, I just think that
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of criticism, a lot of the victims
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: that have obviously been highly publicized that has fueled their
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: movements or have not reaped the benefits. Sure, and so
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: where there's a lot of the higher ups in Black
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Lives Matter who are millionaires now that weren't millionaires prior,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: you're saying the same thing as me. So in terms
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: of your opinion on how they spend money, you know
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: it's not illegal, Like you said, they're not criminals, right,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: So who's to say? But you know, I know this.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: When Kanye West to be so critical of something without
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: giving it context, without knowing himself, without having walked in
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: those shoes, I feel like that's kind of a tough
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: I remember reading a story about BLM, and I don't
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: want to act like the great defender of Bilim, but
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: I just don't hear the other side of it in
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: the media. And because I've seen this in history, again,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: I take it with a grant of salt. But the
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: other side of this is one of the stories that
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: I've seen was BLM bought a house, a mansion, something
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: like this. I was framed and then I had to
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: do some investigation because obviously we do the show, I
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: have to ever talk about it. Yeah, I did some investigation,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: and the way BLM was looking at that purchase was like, no,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: this was a facility. We have to have a place
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: that's protected where they can't put bugs on the wall
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: and tap stuff. We can't be renting a place. We can't,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: you know, we have to have something with a gate.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: We have to with certain requirements where we can house people,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: you know whatever. And this place afforded us all of
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: these things that we needed. And so this was a
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: reasonable purchase for a business like our, or for a
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: movement organization like ours, and for anyone else that had
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: an opinion prior to reading that article, they would look
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: at it like, oh, okay, of course these black people
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: got this money and now they're spending it. They're throwing
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: parties or whatever. And that's the way the article framed it.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: But when you dig it one layer deeper, ask one
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: person a question, and you get a little bit more context,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, that makes sense. It's entirely reasonable and
• 33:01
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  Speaker 1: or whoever else who has been critical, but you know,
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• 33:47
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  Speaker 1: I haven't seen Kanye West in any protests, clearly, clearly
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  Speaker 1: not the same person though, But you're sure, But you
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  Speaker 1: and the podcast at the same fucking time. Let's get
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  Speaker 1: back to the interview, and there's like, there's very like
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: localized chapters. Ye. So there's like a Black Lives Matter LA.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: There's a Black Lives Matter Phoenix Mester, It's a Black
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Lives Matter. So all of those are very like separate
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: from I think. I think, I think you can't just
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: paint the whole thing with one brush. But I do
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: think that in the same way we're talking, like Cannice
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Owens is capitalizing off of everything she's looking at it through,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are doing it on
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: the other side too. Sure, Sure, I listen, that's it's
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: not impossible that these things because I know this. I
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: just talked to Killer Mike. So I call Killer Mike
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, where I donate my money? And
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: if Killer Mike tells me, don't donate it there, donate
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: it here, I'm like, cool, Listen. I just talked to
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: doctor Camille Westenberg, and I tell you what. If somebody
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: comes down my street and says, hey, we would like
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: to acquire the federal trademark to create and produce and
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: sell anything that says white Lives Matter on it, I
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: know that the NAACP is ready and willing to receive
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: a check from Civic Cipher lerc You know what I'm saying.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: And then I know some people, like you said, there
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: are local chapters, the people that I've seen do the work,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: the people that inspired Civic Cipher. There's a woman named
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Zara Tacola. You know, I love her that she's my shiro.
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  Speaker 1: You know what she's doing. She has a five oh
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  Speaker 1: one C three. They do grassroots work in Arizona, and
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: you know nationally, she has a national profile. I would
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: love to donate money to her because I believe in her,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: you know her. I was going to say, if people
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: want to help out, how do they vet where they
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: should put their money. Well, you can start by donating
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: the Civic Cipher. You can get civiccipher dot com because
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: we are on it. I've risked my whole career to
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: bring some like I was the man I was doing
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: my thing. You know what I'm saying, keV, I'm telling
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: you like I got to convince you. But you know
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: we was there together, right, But yeah, I'm I'm I.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: We have a segment on our show called Baba Become
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: a Better Ally, right. It's it comes from one of
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: the African languages means father as well, so sort of
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: a reference to like guidance or whatever become a better
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: ally and that segment we often talk about the NAACP right,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: So it's the oldest, most established organization that that moves
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: in such a way to try to create more opportunities
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: and more political strength for impoverished communities Black and brown.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: You know, I do believe we we do believe in
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: unity between all marginalized groups of people. So you'll see me.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: You're hear me say black and brown a lot. But
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: I also mean, you know, our AAPI brothers and sisters,
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  Speaker 1: I mean our Native brothers and sisters, Indigenous brothers and sisters,
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  Speaker 1: our l g B, t q I A plus brothers
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: and sisters. Anybody nailed it. If you were born, if
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: you feel like you were born with a strike against you,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: and you want to join a movement where love is
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: at the center of the conversation, where we are trying
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: to make sure everybody has a voice and it's heard
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: and it's protected, and there's equality as far as we
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: can take that, then that's the movement that you want
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: to be on. And we didn't ask to be in
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: this position again, you know, with all these stations carrying
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: our message around this whole entire country. But now that
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: we're here, there's an even greater responsibility to be true
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: to it. And you know, if they bury my son's
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: carry me on my last day and they bury me
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: in the ground. And the last thing I did was
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: record an episode of Civic Cipher, I'd still say this
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: was a life well lived. Has there been anything because
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: I know you guys were doing some conversations about like
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: the vaccine and obviously there's a lot of hesitancy within
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: the you know, black and brown community to get the vaccine. Sure,
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: it turns out a lot of the hesitancy was maybe
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: well warranted. Maybe I I never found that to be
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: true in the the the studies that I've done well.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: I was going to ask, like, if you guys do
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: an episode on something and then kind of like the
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: facts evolve, Oh yeah, we have. It's beyond revisiting, because
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: that's important. Out we were wrong, we have he say that.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: I think that's important too, because a lot of people
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: wouldn't do that. I want to say before we move
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: on with Lives Matter, right, before we move on from that,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter is a statement that is true, that
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: is true, correct, and a lot of the reason why
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: you know RAMS did not go back and forth. I
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: don't do a lot of the apologizing or explaining on
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: behalf of the organization because Kevin Quentin and Ramses can
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: be scrutinized, Our LLCs can be scrutinized, our companies can
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: be scrutinized and be wrong and make mistakes. Black lives matter, period,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: as a statement is true. So I don't even have
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: to talk about dot org right, right, and all of
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: the other lives matter statements came just to oppose the
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: statement black lives matter. Yeah, I was just talking to
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Akon about it, and that's what I was saying. I
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: was like, you know, the origin of this was because
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: obviously black lives don't matter as much as everyone else
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: is correct. So it's like, black lives matter as a
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: statement is one true, and Kanye's got to be smart
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: enough to realize the connotations that white like white lives matter.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: No one was saying that, but now they're saying it
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: to combat an obvious The same with black eyes on
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: the matter, the same with all lives matter. It was
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: those statements were born just to oppose the statement black
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: lives matter, not to oppose the organization or anything wrong
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: that they did. Right. So that's why it hits the
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: way that it does, because we know where those statements
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: were born from, why they were even created, why people
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: say them. They say them to stand in opposition to
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: the statement that black people's lives are important and that
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: they're worthy of existing, worthy of equality. You know, during
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: breast cancer Awareness Month, we don't argue that multiple sclerosis
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: is also worth talking about. We don't do that when
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: it saved the wells, we don't talk about well the
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: birds aren't migrating like. We don't do that with anything else,
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So the reason why I
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: get so disappointed and passionate and angry about it is
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: because of what you said. He's smart enough to know that,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: and still rides this horse of really not just division,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: but intentional attention mongering for statements that are flagrantly opposed
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: to something so simple in its nature. Right, if you're
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: such a free thinker, how come if we check the
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: boxes on the points that you make, they line up
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: so accurately and in such perfect alignment with white supremacist agendas,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: with aligning yourself with people like homegirl who for the
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: dollar get on the mic and say anything with dude
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: in the red hat, like you can make your free
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: thinking statements without having to then attach yourself to things
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: that are so opposed to our children being able to
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: go to school and be okayum, you know what I'm saying.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: That's why I get so passionate and upset about it.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: My kids are black and Mexican and you wearing the
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: MAGA hat for the dude whose whole campaign was build
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: a wall to keep Mexican people out, like dog are
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: really fam So George Bush hates black people, it doesn't
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: care about black people, and that was your stance, but
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: now white lives matter and you know you're trolling. And
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: then on the very very wild Drinks you know drink,
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: he tripled down on his anti Semitic rhetoric Like really, bro, Yeah, yeah,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: it's rough, especially to me. To me, the craziest Kanye
• 43:06
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• 43:10
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• 43:27
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• 43:32
  Speaker 1: so does the guy who had a drug problems live
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: matter who has a bad criminal. That's all I'm saying.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: All lives matter, until do they all lives are immigrants
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: or prisoners or convicts and criminals. That's I'm glad you
• 43:46
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• 43:49
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• 43:51
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• 43:53
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• 43:57
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• 44:00
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• 44:03
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• 44:09
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• 44:13
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  Speaker 1: It's like, there's no grace, there's no nothing. If you
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• 46:42
  Speaker 1: from them. I think obviously, just taking Candice Owns and
• 46:45
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• 46:47
  Speaker 1: extreme of each side does extremely wild ship. Yes, sure, sure,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: I'll give you that. That is very that just kind
• 46:56
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• 46:59
  Speaker 1: off in a way that there it removes any new
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  Speaker 1: nuance to any middle ground in reality. Well it's it's
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• 47:09
  Speaker 1: side like common sense is just gone. So it's like
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• 47:19
  Speaker 1: people to kind of meet in the middle on some
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: of these issues. And I'm not saying like issues in
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: terms of like obviously police brutality, everybody should agree that's
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  Speaker 1: fucked up, But there's a lot of ship that like
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: I would say most people if you were to take
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  Speaker 1: the craziest like wild fucking Trump supporter, and you would
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: take like you know the wildest No, not you, not you.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: I mean like you know, so much further extremes than us,
• 47:43
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  Speaker 1: the extreme left ship is pretty wild, and it gives
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  Speaker 1: like the entire left like such a batter is and
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: the same way that you know, uh, the crazy right
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: wing people. It just makes uh nuance and conversation almost obsolete.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: And in terms of like not being able to I
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: feel like the tribal aspect of it is so bad
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: to where it's like, Okay, well we think this over here,
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: so we think this over here. Like the vaccine thing
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: to me was like one of those things that was
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: so crazy because I saw people getting demonized for not
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: wanting to do something to their own body, and I'm like,
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: this is crazy. This is not a right wing or
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: left wing thing. This is a personal decision. So not
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  Speaker 1: I'm vaccinated. But what you said that's important. You asked
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: us about having to correct. We have to apologize with haste. Right,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: if we say something that it's the next show has
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: to be the first thirty minutes got to be about that, right,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: we had we it's required or our show is shit, right,
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: Like what are you guys talking about this last week?
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: And it was trash? Y'all never addressed it again, Like yeah, right,
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: but what you just said is the bar of this
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: whole thing. The nuance doesn't exist anymore. It's all extreme
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: or not. When I was a kid and Reagan was
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: the president, my mom did not agree with his politics,
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: but her friends at work that did, they weren't beefing
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: because there's points and platforms that political people campaign on,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: and for most of those they're extreme because that's how
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: they get their BaseT. But in the middle there used
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: to be shit that everybody agreed was good. Yes, that
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: does not exist anymore. So you bring up the vaccine.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: We're interviewing an epidemiologist, right. She can tell you, without
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: any hesitation, straight to your face, that we all should
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: have got vaccinated. That does not mean that one hundred
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: percent of people that get vaccinated will live long, healthy lives.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: But that's how it would be dissected. One hundred people
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: got vaccinated, seventy of them got sick, passed away, whatever,
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: And now that's the vaccine's fault, and that's just not
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: how any vaccine. I think the problem with that back
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: from yeah, you're right, I think the problem with the
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: vaccine was that it was introduced as like an end all,
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: be all, like what you get this, You're good, and
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: then they kept introducing more shots, and then on top
• 50:11
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• 50:14
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• 50:17
  Speaker 1: the vaccine. Let me let me make sure that I
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: paint this picture with you, Kevin. Yeah, the political landscape
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: of the country at that time was that every single
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: thing that made headlines had to be politicized and sold.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: And it still is. That just a problem. So like
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: to me, like I would I got vaccinated, but I
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: was like, I'm not getting boosted, like at all. I'm
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: straight not getting boosted. I've had COVID fucking twice. I'm vaccinated.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: I'm good. But my kid who's sixteen, is like, dad's
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: a trumper, he's an anti vaxxer. And I'm like, what
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: do you mean, I'm a healthy thirty you're all so reasonable? Yeah, right,
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: most people aren't reason And I don't know when that
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: part happened. That's my I think it happened. I think
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: Trump is who really turned up each side. Now you
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: see why I don't rock with buddy. Yeah, that's Trump.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: Trump definitely did that. And I think that like he
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: made it to where he made everything tribal, and it
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: was already tribal, he was already tribal, but he made
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: it crazy different. Yeah, and and I just think that, like,
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: uh yeah, I don't know, man, I just we're in
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: a place where politically, like each side is bat shit
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: crazy at times. You know, I can I can say
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: Joe Biden has done some good ship. I don't say
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: he's done some bad ship. But you should be able
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: to say that. You should be critical of anybody who's
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: in charge the problem, especially that scene. You should be
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: hyper critical, right, Like I voted for Joe Biden. I
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: also think he's like not a great president. Now, is
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: he a better president than Trump would have been on
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: most things? Yes, on the things that are most important
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: to me. I want to say this too, because you
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: said something. I don't want the narrative to get out
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: there the wrong way. Okay, we watched you and me,
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: we watched the presidential election in twenty sixteen. Yeah, I
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: voted for Bernie Sanders. Yeah, yes, And I want to
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: make sure that you said that because you said aiden
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: your son thought that you might be a Trump or
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: something like that. Kevin is not a Trump or we
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: will no, no, no no, no, no no no. I mean
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: I voted for Joe Biden, and I hate Joe Biden.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Nobody listening might think like that. Listen, Joe Biden was
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: the worst candidate that the Democrats ran, and I still
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: voted for his I know, I know, but I want
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: to make sure people out there listening know that you
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: never voted for Trump at all. That was no, of
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: course no. But I just think that like, for example,
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: like if Trump does something good when he was president,
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: if he did something good, be like, oh yeah, I
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: agree with this. That doesn't mean you agree with him
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: or you're a Republican or you love him, right, And
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: then it's that part, right, it's people subscribed to him,
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: the person, right, it's the leader who couldn't It's like
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: the it's like the Kanye shit. But just you know,
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: for white people, I had people like DM and me
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: in defense of this. They met No. I'm like yo,
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: I'm like yo, I know you and your kids crazy.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: You're upset with me because I said something about this man.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: That's true that you've never met, that doesn't care about you,
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: that you don't know, like people really really subscribe to
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: him on like a zealot. I think that the Trump
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: thing got so out of hand that it got everyone
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: else so much out of character that now if you're
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: on the conservative side of the aisle, now you can
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: point at the other aisle and be like, well, you
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: guys did this. You guys purposely like the Hunter Biden
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: shit is kind of like a black eye on media
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: because they purposely withheld a real story collectively Twitter, Facebook,
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: New York Times came out in admitted it. It's and
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: like the left shouldn't be doing that, right, we would
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: we know one should be doing nobody. But what I'm
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: saying is like Trump was so crazy that it really
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: felt like if he gets re elected, we don't know
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: what's going to happen, it can get bad. That it
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: made everyone else stooped to his level. Yeah, and now
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: everyone's hands are dirty. Yeah, now that on the right,
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: once he showed that there was no line he wouldn't cross.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. So it's like now it's like, Okay,
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: I mean I hope that obviously, you know, there's somebody
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: who runs besides Joe Biden. That's you know, younger and
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: more able. What up, y'all, We gotta stop the interview
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  Speaker 1: get back to the interview. What you think about Gavin Newsom.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: I think I lived here and it was terrible. So
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I don't think. I don't I'm
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: not sure Gavin Newsom will be the guy gotten Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: for sure. But Gavin Newsom also like destroyed like most
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: small businesses in California, Like all the restaurants I was
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: going to, they're all closed, and it was all kind
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: of and you look like Florida's death rates were not
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: any I think if it's a Newsom verse DeSantis, Newsom
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: is gonna have a hard time in that debate. Well,
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: I would like it to be one of the things
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: that I will say. I would rather it be them
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: too than Trump and who yes, yes, as long as
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: Trump is not in the cards. Literally anything else more damaging.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: I just think it sucks because, like you would think
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: Kamala Harris would have taken the opportunity to like be
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: the next person, but like she's not gonna win. She's
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: kind of faded to the background. For the truth is,
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: like I said, these media awards, now that we're playing
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: this media game, we understand exactly how media works and
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: how it shapes optics around people. You know, I went
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: from loving Kamala to despising her, to loving her and
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: cheering for her to despising her, and I realized looking
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: back on all that, I'm like, Okay, so when she
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: got elected, this was great, and then she was like
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: imprisoning black people's doing that before she got a let
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: But you know, I'm trying to say, I'm trying to
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: tell the story about how no, no no, no, I mean
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: that she becomes the VP, and then it's like, oh,
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: that's why it's important to have nuanced conversations. And then
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: this is why there's a show called Breaking Points on YouTube.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: It's like a kind of like an old school conservative
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: young dude and an old school like liberal lady. And
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: the shows like they just do the news and then
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: at the end they each give their take, so like
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: if you want to watch like the their opinion on something,
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: they'll find one thing to kind of like. But it's like,
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: like you said, the media is weaponized in such a
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: crazy way. Now to do they find the middle ground? Yeah,
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: or they just agree to disagree, But which is Okay?
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: You were saying something though, the way the media space
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: is right now in our with with the opportunity that
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: we have with Civic Cipher, in the conversations that we
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: can have, we understand that we both kind of share
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: similar views, but we also recognize that there are other
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: people we call them brothers and sisters and we mean
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: that who may not agree with us, but we have
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: to get a message to them in a meaningful way
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: that they will receive them. And war fire and Brimstone
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: is not going to do that. That's why. You know,
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: it's a topic that I think like people, and I'm
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: obviously pro choice, but how dare you no? But this
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: is the thing, right, is like if someone if someone
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: isn't pro choice, that means that they literally think that
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: abortion is murder. So if they literally think that, then
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: you have to respect that they don't want it to happen.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: But the problem is is if someone says that they
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: are against abortion, then they all of a sudden they
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: hate women, you know what I'm saying. But the problem
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: is what you said though most of the people that
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: come out on the other side of it. Because if
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: I'm going to approach you, let's talk about the vaccine. Right.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: If I'm going to approach you as anti vaccine or
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: pro If I cannot have an intelligent, simple conversation with
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: you on either side of it, then what am I doing?
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: And my thing is is I don't even think it's
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: worth having a conversation with people who are anti abortion
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: because they literally think it's murder. Yeah, so if you
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: think something is murder, then I get it. So I
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: was describing sort of the temperament of our show, and
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: I think that this point so I appreciate. I think
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: this point helps us illustrate it. If someone has, like
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: for instance, you mentioned the vaccine, If someone has an
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: opinion on what they're going to do with their body,
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: that sort of thing, we have to respect that, and
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: I get it. We of course, on the show, we
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: recommended that you know, community's hardest hit by COVID R
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: take the vaccine. We had taken the vaccine, We both
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: had COVID. You know, we understood sort of what we're
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: up against, and we did our due diligence in terms
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: of the research right at the time. So making those
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: recommendations or having those conversations were not necessarily rooted in
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: someone else's a pressure. Right, we have conversations on our show.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean. You can have your difference
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: of political beliefs, right, and I'll allow you those beliefs
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: provided they are not rooted in my oppression. So when
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: it comes to the abortion issue, which is a woman's issue,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: so none of us in theory should be great champions,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: are great voices in that space. But in terms of
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: we all have women that we love in our lives,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: and you know, we have platforms, and so we have
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: to kind of walk that line as best we can,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: recognizing that other people have their opinions on what needs
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: to happen if a woman is pregnant and does not
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: want to have the baby. Those opinions, in theory, they
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: should only exist provided they're not rooted in the oppression
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: of some other group of people. And if you can
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: make the case that I'm pro abortion or I'm sorry
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: pro life, pro life exactly, and women look at that like, well,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: that decision is rooted in my oppression, that that decision
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: oppresses me, It limits what it is that I can
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: do with my own body. I am a free, freestanding
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: human being endowed with consciousness from those people, though it
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter, it's not just her body, whatever, whatever. But
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: the thing is when we have these conversas I guess
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying is like what we were talking about earlier, right,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: if like, if someone tells me that their pro pro life, like,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to just assume that they're a terrible person.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: But in terms of column is is like if like
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: if if somebody came out and said I'm pro or
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: I'm pro life, right, they automatically get this whole entire right,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: And then that's what I'm saying. We don't have to
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: write people off. That's politics, but we too though for sure,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: well let me let me finish. We don't have to
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: write people off for feeling how they feel. But we
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: cannot give equal footing if someone else's opinion is rooted
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: in the oppression of someone else by the nature of
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: our show, because that has been used to a press
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: black people since black people arrived on these shores, that
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: formula that format, and so we buy by the by
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: the virtue of the show that we do the nature
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: of the show. We cannot we cannot do that. So
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: if someone else has a separate opinion, we have to
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: still call them our brothers and our sisters who have
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: a different opinion. We do our best to illustrate their
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: points on our show, and oftentimes those points have value,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: their credible points, they do not reflect the reality that
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: I mean. Listen, my thing is is if someone's religious, right, yeah, religious, great?
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: One religious is like, yo, I think that the baby's
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: being murdered, So you want me to co sign that.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: I personally am an atheist. So I don't give a
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: fuck about none of that, you know what I'm saying.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: I don't care like smoke them as long no, as
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: long as it's a certain obviously, even in a certain range.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: I think the late term of bridge is crazy. But
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: I just think that like it's like it's it's kind
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: of like back to what I was saying about the
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: vaccine thing, where it's like, yo, like there's nurses who
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: are heroes during the pandemic who got fired because they
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: wouldn't get vaccinated and guess what they were, right, So
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: you're talking about something I don't know about. So there's
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: actual nurses, people who work in hospitals job. I just
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: have not come across that story myself or those there's
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: people who lost their job. Listen, I know that again
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: there's this and this is the point we're making there's
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: credible conversations, there's credible ideas and beliefs on both sides.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: On the Black Information Network Daily podcast, it's a show
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: that I do every day. I have a maybe twice
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: a week feature that I do. It's called One More Thing.
• 1:03:37
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• 1:03:39
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• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: the afro next to Katie Curic. Anyway, on that platform,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: when I do that show, I say something that I
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: believe really works in this space. And this is sort
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: of the temperament we have on Civic Cipher as well.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: I say, listen, I don't profess to be right. I
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: would love to hear you our listener's thoughts on this,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: and maybe somewhere in the middle will find our way
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: together forward, our way forward together. Right. And so this
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: is kind of the formula that we have to have
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: bear in mind. On Civic Cipher. We have to take
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: a show that is talking to music programmers and ask
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: them to turn the music off for an hour a week.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: Sometimes they bury in the middle of the night. That's fine,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: We'll take it. But we have to convince these people
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: to let us have conversations in spaces where they don't exist.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: And in doing that, we have to bear in mind
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: that these people's opinions, these oftentimes wealthy white men, their
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: opinions politically may differ from ours. And yet and still
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: they may listen to this show, and we need them
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: to recognize that their opinion is at least being represented.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: It will be challenged, but it will be represented in
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: we will do our best to represent their opinion fairly,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: and we will not be unfair. That's just the thing
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: that we do, you know. Obviously, having some sort of
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: conversation is just I feel like we do that as
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: often can we get guests. The troubling thing and I
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: hate to keep saying the word nuanced, but Kevin said it,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: and it's important. Right. If I'm a fireman and I
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: no longer believe in the science that water puts fire out,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: I can't be a fireman anymore. If I'm on the
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: clergy and I go to seminary and some sciencest convinces
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: me that parts of the Bible are untrue, then I
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: can't sit on the clergy anymore. If you are a
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: medical professional, doctor, nurse, and you don't believe in the
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: science of medicine, then you probably shouldn't be a nurse anymore, right,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: your job in that space. Yeah, but the science of medicine,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: the science of that vaccine has been changed so much
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: on the CDC websites, and there's like monoclonal antibodies and
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of shit that they purposely withheld in
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: some of the states that science wise. If I'm a
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: nurse and I'm like, yo, well, the science says if
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: you have had COVID then you're more safe than if
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: you get the vaccine, then you can practice. So my
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: thing is that they're right. But my thing is is,
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: like with the with the vaccine thing, just you could
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: just go through and look at the way CDC changed
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: their ship from like week to week, so the science
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: changed over and over and over. You can provide data
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: on both sides of that point, and that's wind and
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: boosted and whatever. There might have been some very harmful
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: effects to that with Kevin that were not right. No,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: And I think that that's why it's like, Okay, like
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: this isn't a one size fits all thing. With the vaccine,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: it wasn't a one size fits all thing, and that's
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: how it was sold to the people listen. On our show,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: we said listen. If you are a healthy person, you
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: know whatever, you can make these decisions. If you are
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: a person, if you're elderly, if you're old, no, for sure,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: then if you have our recommendation have been provided. Though,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: like in all things, is the choice to do whichever
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: one you that you want it. And there's the difference
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: in saying if you are a person that's at risk,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: you should get the vaccine versus saying no one should
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: because there might be I also think the person. That's
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: the difference of saying if you're a person at risk,
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  Speaker 1: you should get it, as opposed to saying you have
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  Speaker 1: to get it. Correct. That's what I said. When you
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  Speaker 1: tell people they have to do something, they're gonna be like, wait, what, no,
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  Speaker 1: we we had to do that. Listen now at this point,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's different from cutting a brake, you know, thirty
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  Speaker 1: second break, talking up a ramp into you know some
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  Speaker 1: new you know, little baby record or something like that,
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  Speaker 1: where you're not talking about the stakes aren't that high.
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  Speaker 1: When you're having conversations that are life and death about
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  Speaker 1: police killing people, for sure, political political, you can't just
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  Speaker 1: have thods you have to. You have to, and then
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  Speaker 1: you have to bear in mind that other people have
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  Speaker 1: a different vantage point. This is something that I learned,
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  Speaker 1: but had to learn even deeper lives doing this show,
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  Speaker 1: and we feel like we are setting up a formula
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  Speaker 1: the Black Information Network Daily podcast, they told you exactly
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  Speaker 1: the temperament that I have. Where listen, somewhere in the middle,
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  Speaker 1: we'll find our way forward. Okay, of course, you don't
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  Speaker 1: have to be me. I'm not a trump person, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not a Conye, you don't have to do it like me.
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  Speaker 1: But listen, listen what I'm saying, and cooler heads will prevail.
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  Speaker 1: There's reasonable there's logic and reason on this side of
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  Speaker 1: the argument. And even if you don't come all the
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  Speaker 1: way over, you'll least see if you allow me the same,
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  Speaker 1: If you listen with open ears and recognize that I
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  Speaker 1: I am just like you. I want my sons to
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  Speaker 1: watch me grow old and then bury me at the
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  Speaker 1: end of my life. Of course, if you want that
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  Speaker 1: and I want that, then we have more in common
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  Speaker 1: than we have in one hundred percent of difference. And
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  Speaker 1: so you can listen to my vantage point, my perspective,
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  Speaker 1: my reality. I can share it with you and then
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  Speaker 1: in the middle because I have no problem compromising. This
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  Speaker 1: is something black people are very good at, especially in
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  Speaker 1: this country's history. Listen, we don't need everything. We don't
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  Speaker 1: need it, We don't need much soon. We just need
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  Speaker 1: brothers and sisters who are in power controlling a lot
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  Speaker 1: more than we are at the time, catch up with
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  Speaker 1: where we're going. You know what I mean. But we
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  Speaker 1: have found our way through a lot of the muck
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  Speaker 1: that this country was born out of, and civic cipher
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