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Why Don’t People Like Solutions? · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: H h H. Well, I grew up in Belfast. I
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Speaker 1: was pretty much born the year that the so called
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Speaker 1: trouble started there, and UH lived there until that all ended.
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Speaker 1: I think I left more. It wasn't long after it
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Speaker 1: finished that I left for various reasons. And I mean
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Speaker 1: I go back there uh a couple of times a
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Speaker 1: year at the moment. But after my my sort of
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Speaker 1: professional background was technology and worked in a whole bunch
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Speaker 1: of different industries, ended up working in the financial industry
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Speaker 1: for a hedge fund uh and uh. And then at
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Speaker 1: the end of that five year stint, I decided and
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Speaker 1: they did a little bit of a break. So went
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Speaker 1: and lived in France for a couple of years, and
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Speaker 1: then we when we decided to come back to the UK,
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Speaker 1: we thought ourselves where we got to go? And well,
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Speaker 1: around that same time I met Brian Gerrish and UH,
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Speaker 1: so we decided to come to Plymouth for our sins
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Speaker 1: and we've been here since.
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Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 1: And so I was already UH type setting laying out
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Speaker 1: the UK called newspaper newspaper, looking after the website and
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Speaker 1: so on while I was still in France. When we
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Speaker 1: came back to the Plymouth I'm more or less joined
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Speaker 1: full time and took on a couple of other sort
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Speaker 1: of professional country access to sort of fund the thing
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Speaker 1: for the first few years. But January is our twentieth anniversary,
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Speaker 1: and that's going to be it's going to be quite
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Speaker 1: a quite a celebration next year.
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Speaker 2: That's phenomenal twenty years in the alternative independent space, right right.
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Speaker 1: And you know, the story began really with with Brian
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Speaker 1: just when he left the when he left the Navy,
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Speaker 1: he came to Plymouth, was working in the business sector
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Speaker 1: and just began to see the sheer corruption and then
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Speaker 1: came up against the old our old friend coma purpose,
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Speaker 1: and you know, from that point he just started being
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Speaker 1: contacted with people that were experiencing the same types of
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Speaker 1: things that he was experiencing. So, you know, corruption at
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Speaker 1: local level was certainly how the column got started. And
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Speaker 1: and then of course since then we've appreciated that a
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Speaker 1: lot of the corruption that's seen at a local level
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Speaker 1: has has a foundation in global politics and international politics geopolitics,
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Speaker 1: and we start to see the local effects of the
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Speaker 1: sort of more globalist World Economic Forum types of policies
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Speaker 1: rippling down to local level. So what he was experiencing
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Speaker 1: at that point certainly involved a lot of EU funding
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Speaker 1: and money coming from you know, tax exem foundations and
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Speaker 1: these types of things, and that's that's really what we've
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Speaker 1: been covering ever since.
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Speaker 2: Mainly is that why UK column has lasted.
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Speaker 1: I think UK column has lasted because we appreciated from
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Speaker 1: the beginning that this was not going to be a
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Speaker 1: five minute deal, that there are no quick fixes to
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Speaker 1: the wrongs of the world. That we had to make
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Speaker 1: a commitment, and and he certainly had made a commitment.
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Speaker 1: I made that commitment. Everybody else that's come to work
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Speaker 1: with us has made similar commitments, and we recognized that that.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's easy to fall into the trap of
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Speaker 1: demoralization and getting bored and and getting the idea that
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Speaker 1: this is that this is all unfightable. But the fact
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Speaker 1: of the matter is there have been numerous wins over
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Speaker 1: the years. And I would say that the other thing
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Speaker 1: to keep in mind is that that when we look
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Speaker 1: at the documentation that that globalists policymakers have set have
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Speaker 1: have written over the years, they have set deadlines for
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Speaker 1: themselves and they have they have not met any of
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Speaker 1: those deadlines. And the main reason for that, I believe
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Speaker 1: is because of the pushback from ordinary people. And so
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Speaker 1: you know, when I see people saying, well, there's no
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Speaker 1: point doing this, there's no point doing that because it
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Speaker 1: doesn't really happen, it absolutely has an effect. And now
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Speaker 1: that there is a slight downside to this, and that
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Speaker 1: is that just speaking purely personally, I believe that that
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Speaker 1: this what we're facing, The corruption that we're seeing only
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Speaker 1: is dealt with when it becomes obvious to the most
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Speaker 1: unwilling participant. And we saw that during COVID, for example,
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Speaker 1: because because that was the lockdown's vaccine policies, these were
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Speaker 1: in everybody's faces. They couldn't avoid it. It was affecting
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Speaker 1: them all personally, and so everybody got you know, lots
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Speaker 1: and lots of people got engaged. And since then we
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Speaker 1: have seen a massive fall off and the number of
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Speaker 1: people getting engaged from staying engaged because because they see
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Speaker 1: that that threat has disappeared, and in fact, it hasn't
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Speaker 1: disappeared because the policies that brought us COVID were there before,
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Speaker 1: or they're there since. Nothing has changed. And so you know,
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Speaker 1: I think one of the one of the messages that
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Speaker 1: we have always tried to keep pushing out there is that.
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Speaker 1: You know, everybody needs to be making the long term
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Speaker 1: commitment and sticking with it because that's the only way
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Speaker 1: that we can succeed.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's something you and I spoke about a few
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Speaker 2: weeks ago. This this this this tendency of people to
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Speaker 2: quote unquote go back to sleep. It's very strange. You know,
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Speaker 2: COVID is over. Now, there we go, it's all back
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Speaker 2: to normal. But there the irony is that it absolutely isn't.
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Speaker 1: No, it isn't that that particular gambit has has been
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Speaker 1: played and and I believe it failed spectacularly, But what
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Speaker 1: it absolutely demonstrated was the willingness of the the national
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Speaker 1: governments right across the Western world, at least, the willingness
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Speaker 1: of national governments to treat their populations extremely badly. But
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Speaker 1: you know, we see the same policy in the Assistant
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Speaker 1: Dying Bill that's going through Parliament at the moment. We
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Speaker 1: in the UK, we see that the World Economic Forum
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Speaker 1: hasn't gone anywhere, Agenda twenty one and Agenda twenty thirty
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Speaker 1: haven't gone anywhere. That zero policy is being pushed forward,
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Speaker 1: the war policy. You know, the absolute insanity that's being
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Speaker 1: displayed by Western leaders at the moment where they, on
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Speaker 1: one hand, are saying, we've got to build a war
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Speaker 1: machine to take on Russia, and on the other hand,
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Speaker 1: we've got the United States Navy being beaten by yemeniese Yemen,
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Speaker 1: which is the first country in the world, And are
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Speaker 1: we seriously trying to persuade ourselves that we could take
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Speaker 1: on Russia or China or both. It's it's insane, you know.
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Speaker 1: The first thing we've got to recognize is that our
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Speaker 1: political leaders are basically unhinged at the moment. I think
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Speaker 1: part of this is because the policy agenda has not
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Speaker 1: progressed at the speed that it was supposed to have.
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Speaker 1: The deadlines have been missed, and they're coming under a
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Speaker 1: massive pressure.
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Speaker 2: That's a good point. So a lot of people who
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Speaker 2: look at these big pictures tend to assume that it's
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Speaker 2: all a well oiled machine, and it really isn't. There's
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Speaker 2: a lot of infighting, there's a lot of competing happening
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Speaker 2: at the highest levels, which also adds to the failures.
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Speaker 1: That's absolutely correct, and we've got to appreciate that. You know,
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Speaker 1: human beings or human beings, some of them display slightly
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Speaker 1: more psychopathic traits and others but you know, when you
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Speaker 1: get groups of people together, there is a viably differences
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Speaker 1: of opinion. Sometimes this can lead to significant conflict within groups.
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Speaker 1: And the so called para leads are no different to
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Speaker 1: anybody else. So if anybody's worked in a group and
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Speaker 1: campaigning or any kind of activism, we all we all
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Speaker 1: have experienced breakdowns within as different opinions come in and
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Speaker 1: different views about which direction to go. And that's this
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Speaker 1: is all normal in a sense. But for them, that
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Speaker 1: of course, if they have deadlines to meet, causes them
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Speaker 1: problems as well.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if you look at a gender twenty thirty,
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Speaker 2: I mean the deadline is obviously twenty thirty, but it's
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Speaker 2: very clear that a bunch of those ambitions are just
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Speaker 2: not going to be met. And that is because of
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Speaker 2: the extreme complexity of human nature.
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Speaker 1: It's also because they I think they have a fairly
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Speaker 1: arrogant view of humanity. I think that they look down
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Speaker 1: on humanity as being you know, parasitic and not very
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Speaker 1: clever and so on. But in fact they're not the
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Speaker 1: sharpest tools in the box either. And you know, they
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Speaker 1: although the although the main focus of their of their
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Speaker 1: play acting changes, you know, one day it's COVID. Next day,
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Speaker 1: it's war policy. If you look at at the events,
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Speaker 1: the big events that have been there created in order
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Speaker 1: to drive change in society nine to eleven seven seven.
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Speaker 1: The whole terrorism thing, COVID doesn't matter what it is.
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Speaker 1: Their their modus operandi are the same, you know. It's
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Speaker 1: the way that they structure these operations is the same.
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Speaker 1: And people recognize this, and they know when they're being played.
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Speaker 1: A lot of people do, and and so and so,
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Speaker 1: you know, a lot of people may not be willing
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Speaker 1: to openly say things the way you and I might
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Speaker 1: openly say things. And I've you know, I've had people
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Speaker 1: say to me in the past, you know, your views
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Speaker 1: are extreme. But actually people recognize when they're being played
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Speaker 1: and and so they do resist in a certain sense,
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Speaker 1: and that undoubtedly has happened time and time again.
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Speaker 2: I've had that same accusation that my views are extreme.
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Speaker 2: But that doesn't make any sense, because what are the metrics.
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Speaker 2: People only say that when it's outside of their own
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Speaker 2: comfort zone. Oh well, that person's extreme, but it's never
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Speaker 2: them who's extreme. So, like, I don't think that means anything.
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Speaker 1: I think that if you're perceived to be present entering
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Speaker 1: something which is not reality yet, then that is perceived
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Speaker 1: as being extreme. So you know that comment, I'm going
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Speaker 1: to say that comment was made to me for the
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Speaker 1: first time, probably in two thousand and eight or two
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Speaker 1: thousand and nine, when we were saying things, look, this
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Speaker 1: is what's coming, and that was that was viewed by
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Speaker 1: some people as being extreme. Of course, you look back
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Speaker 1: at what was said in and eight and two thousand
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Speaker 1: and nine, in twenty twenty, in twenty twenty one, and
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Speaker 1: actually what was said then isn't extreme anymore because it's
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Speaker 1: actually happened, right, So the perception of extreme views is
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Speaker 1: something which as the activities of the political class becomes
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Speaker 1: more and more extreme, and it absolutely has become more
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Speaker 1: and more extreme. Then of course what was perceived as
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Speaker 1: extreme by us at one point is no longer perceived
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Speaker 1: that way.
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Speaker 2: How did COVID impact your worldview, your paradigm.
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Speaker 1: It didn't impact it at all because it was not
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Speaker 1: a surprise. I mean, you know, when was the first
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Speaker 1: stars what was I think, Yeah, what was a surprise?
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Speaker 1: Was wasn't a surprise, but it shouldn't have been a surprise.
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Speaker 1: So if it was a surprise, it was the fact
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Speaker 1: that that or maybe it was no swine flu, it
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Speaker 1: was swine flu. They tried to They tried the same
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Speaker 1: gag with swine flu in twenty ten ten, I think,
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Speaker 1: wasn't it, Yeah, sometime around then. And just to give
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Speaker 1: one example, Channel four News, which is, you know, a
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Speaker 1: public service Channel four is a public service broadcaster in
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Speaker 1: the UK. The BBC is the main public service broadcaster
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Speaker 1: and of course it's funded by tax payer money effectively
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Speaker 1: through the so called license fee. But Channel four News
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Speaker 1: Channel four as a commercial channel, which is but it's
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Speaker 1: also a public service broadcaster and so it has certain
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Speaker 1: rules that it has to follow. And for many years
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Speaker 1: it probably ran the best mainstream news program for many years.
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Speaker 1: That I'm not saying it was good. I'm just saying
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Speaker 1: it was better than all the others, right, So it's
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Speaker 1: all relative. That started to change when the proxy war
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Speaker 1: in Syria began. So that started to change in twenty
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Speaker 1: eleven and over the subsequent years, Channel four News began
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Speaker 1: working directly with terrorists in Syria and so on, and
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Speaker 1: we started to see the standard of the output from
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Speaker 1: Channel four becoming much more propagandist. So when the swine
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Speaker 1: flew thing hit, they actually produced some really good reports
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Speaker 1: on how the pharmaceutical industry was attempting to generate fear
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Speaker 1: within society and create a situation where they could sell
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Speaker 1: their products. And then when COVID hit, despite the fact
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Speaker 1: that it was exactly the same playbook, exactly the same
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Speaker 1: playbook that was being used, Channel four News completely flipped
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Speaker 1: and went the other way and got right behind the narrative.
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Speaker 1: So I'm going to say that when the COVID thing began,
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Speaker 1: it was, you know, December twenty nineteen we started to
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Speaker 1: hear the sort of the first hints of it, and January, February,
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Speaker 1: March it was starting to build. It was probably late
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Speaker 1: April before UK column was really engaging with that topic.
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Speaker 1: And this is one of the things that some of
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Speaker 1: the criticisms we get from sometimes you know, you haven't
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Speaker 1: commented on X, Y or Z. And one of the
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Speaker 1: things that we prefer to do is to actually get
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Speaker 1: a better no knee jerk reactions to stuff. We want
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Speaker 1: to We want to actually analyze and get a better
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Speaker 1: view of what of what's going on right is before
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Speaker 1: we comment on some things. So it took us a
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Speaker 1: little bit uh to start get commenting on on on COVID.
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Speaker 1: But and and certainly you know when we did, when
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Speaker 1: we did start commenting on that, I was getting you know,
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Speaker 1: my my father, for example, was saying, are you sure
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Speaker 1: about this? You sure you're right about this? It could
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Speaker 1: go it could go wrong for you if you're not,
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Speaker 1: and this kind of thing. But but actually I think
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Speaker 1: we we uh we more or less had it understood
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Speaker 1: from the beginning.
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Speaker 2: How do you think let me rephrase that, why do
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Speaker 2: you think that there are people like us who are
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Speaker 2: willing to engage in in these streams of thought?
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Speaker 1: I think you've got I think you've got people play
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Speaker 1: in the game, and you've got people that don't, and
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Speaker 1: the vast majority of people don't. Why I'm not, I
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Speaker 1: don't know that I have an answer to that. I
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Speaker 1: think that I think that everybody that I mean, I
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Speaker 1: think that that on the on in the political elites,
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Speaker 1: you certainly have a proportion of the population who are
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Speaker 1: inclined to desire power and desire influence, and and that's
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Speaker 1: that's what drives them. On our side of the argument,
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Speaker 1: I think that most people have experienced something in their
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Speaker 1: lives which which has triggered some kind of reaction. You know,
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Speaker 1: whether that's I mean, Northern Ireland was. I don't want
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Speaker 1: to underplay what what it was, because there's some real
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Speaker 1: brutality happened on both sides in that conflict. But you know,
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Speaker 1: at the same time, in terms of global conflicts, you've
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Speaker 1: got to put it into perspective. Thirty years of conflict
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Speaker 1: and three and a half thousand deaths, Well there's you know,
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Speaker 1: there's been days in Gaza where there's been three and
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Speaker 1: a half thousand people killed in a day or in
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Speaker 1: a couple of days, you know, so so and Syria
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Speaker 1: the same. So you know, we got to keep the thing.
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Speaker 1: It was a low intensity operation, that whole thing, but
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Speaker 1: just to just to give an idea of what sort
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Speaker 1: of Again, I don't like to use the term woke
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Speaker 1: me up because I don't think. I don't, I don't.
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Speaker 1: I just don't like that that entire concept. But when
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Speaker 1: I was quite young, the father started a business. He
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Speaker 1: got himself some premises on an industrial estate and he
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Speaker 1: had been added for about less than a year and
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Speaker 1: it was blown up by the IRA And not because
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Speaker 1: it was an industrial state. There was no there was
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Speaker 1: no there was no political reason to attack that particular location.
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Speaker 1: But The reason was that, in fact, most of the
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Speaker 1: paramilitary groups in Northern Ireland were using we're basically running
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Speaker 1: a Maffi operation. So they were splitting Belfast up into
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Speaker 1: sections and this was your section to run your protection racket.
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Speaker 1: And the landlord or the owner of the industrial estate
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Speaker 1: hadn't paid the protection money, so the place was blown up, right.
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Speaker 1: But the thing about it was we knew some people
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Speaker 1: and the police, and the friend of ours told us
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Speaker 1: that his colleague had watched the bomb being placed in
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Speaker 1: the car and watched being driven down the road, had
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Speaker 1: watched being left at the location and had been told
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Speaker 1: to leave it alone. And you said to yourself, well,
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Speaker 1: hold on a second. This is the Royal Ulster Constabbuorary.
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Speaker 1: This is they're supposed to be fighting that the IRA.
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Speaker 1: Why are they being told to leave an explosive device
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Speaker 1: alone and allowing a bomb to go off in something
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Speaker 1: which is not involved in the conflict. And and it
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Speaker 1: became absolutely clear to us that that people within the
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Speaker 1: police force in Northern Ireland were being handed brown envelopes
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Speaker 1: and so then it's it's not a Then you've got
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Speaker 1: a situation where where people that are supposed to be
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Speaker 1: fighting for political ideals, are in fact compromising those ideals
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Speaker 1: by by directly paying off and engaging with the people
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Speaker 1: on the other side. So so there's there's therefore more
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Speaker 1: to this conflict that meets the eye, and that's that
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Speaker 1: just that just was the trigger that got me asking questions,
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Speaker 1: and then I started, I started looking into other areas
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Speaker 1: and so on. So, you know, other for other people,
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Speaker 1: they have a much harder time. And for other people
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Speaker 1: it's because of being subject to some form of abuse,
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Speaker 1: for example, or it's because they've come into contact with
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Speaker 1: common purpose, or it's because they've come come into contact
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Speaker 1: with I mean, I mean to contact with some kind
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Speaker 1: of diversity training or something. Something has triggered them, and
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Speaker 1: all it takes is for that trigger to happen and
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Speaker 1: the questions start being asked, and then before you know it,
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Speaker 1: you actually want to try to do something about what's
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Speaker 1: going on around you.
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Speaker 2: Matias Desmitz says approximately thirty percent of people will have
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Speaker 2: those experiences where they will kind of see through things,
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Speaker 2: but at any given stage, around seventy percent will will
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Speaker 2: not necessary well, about thirty percent will just simply be
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Speaker 2: switched off. But then around that middle section, so youve
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Speaker 2: got thirty thirty on either sign, and then that middle section,
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Speaker 2: which is the largest, will tend to be either aware
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Speaker 2: but not really say anything or not they don't want
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Speaker 2: to rock the boat or anything like that. So I
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Speaker 2: think that's fairly accurate from my own experience over the
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Speaker 2: last few years. If I think about twenty twenty, when
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Speaker 2: this whole thing started, I immediately immediately thought something's wrong. Yet,
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Speaker 2: this doesn't make sense, But the majority of people around me,
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Speaker 2: you know, believed it. This is serious. Hold on, we
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Speaker 2: need to we need to stay away from our folks,
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Speaker 2: you know, we don't want to kill them, that kind
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Speaker 2: of thing. And and I felt like I was one
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Speaker 2: of the very few who was either off my head
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Speaker 2: or well, I saw something that others didn't, and I
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Speaker 2: could never understand why it was like that.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, I can't give any great insight other
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Speaker 1: than you know, come on, So why why the average
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Speaker 1: person just sits there and does nothing? I don't, but
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Speaker 1: you know, it has to be said that, you know,
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Speaker 1: a big proportion of the people that consider themselves awake
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Speaker 1: are happy to just sit there and do nothing. They
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Speaker 1: consume content, they consume the fear, porn and they're particularly
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Speaker 1: engaged with the fear porn, but they don't want to
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Speaker 1: actually get involved in doing anything about it because that
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Speaker 1: that is actually scary for people.
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Speaker 2: That is a really big issue for me. It is
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Speaker 2: this idea that people are consumers of sensation and fear.
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Speaker 2: They will rather share hysterical stories then say something that
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Speaker 2: is a solution.
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Speaker 1: It's one of the reasons that you know, the column
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Speaker 1: is has a lot of support, but we also have
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Speaker 1: a lot of people that don't consider us to be
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Speaker 1: serious or with the consider us to be some kind
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Speaker 1: of limited hangout, or they consider us to be shills
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Speaker 1: of some kind. And part of the reason for that
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Speaker 1: is that we don't jump on the sensationalist fear porn
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Speaker 1: band wagons. We try to be as level headed about
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Speaker 1: what's going on around us as we can. We're trying
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Speaker 1: to minimize the impact of the scariness of everything and
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Speaker 1: try to be you know, as as I say, as
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Speaker 1: level about things as we can. Well, you can't. You
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Speaker 1: can't talk about the topics that we talk about and
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Speaker 1: make them you know, soft and fluffy, that that that
24:16
Speaker 1: isn't possible, because actually what's happening is is pretty unpleasant
24:20
Speaker 1: in a lot of cases we've got to recognize and
24:23
Speaker 1: be realistic about what's going on. But the sensationalism doesn't help.
24:30
Speaker 1: And and but I do you know, but unfortunately it's
24:35
Speaker 1: that kind of content that tends to get the real traffic.
24:38
Speaker 2: It's it's akin to driving past an accident, that's just
24:43
Speaker 2: a could everybody will slow down to have a look
24:46
Speaker 2: to see the conage.
24:48
Speaker 1: Well, they'll have a look, but they it's it's very
24:51
Speaker 1: rare that somebody will stop. I mean, just to give
24:54
Speaker 1: a practical example of this, Charles was driving up the
25:00
Speaker 1: mo Away some time ago and somebody had fallen or
25:07
Speaker 1: jumped off and with away Bridge was lying on the
25:10
Speaker 1: side of the road and everybody was just driving past.
25:12
Speaker 1: He was the only person to stop. What yeah, yeah, yeah,
25:16
Speaker 1: it was quite quite incredible. And and you know, really
25:21
Speaker 1: we've got to we do have to start asking some
25:23
Speaker 1: serious questions of ourselves. I think, now you know, what
25:29
Speaker 1: what is what is it actually going to take the
25:32
Speaker 1: sort problem? So well, one thing is just to make,
25:35
Speaker 1: as I say, to make a commitment to not walk past,
25:38
Speaker 1: to actually find a way to resist. And and that
25:43
Speaker 1: my opinion, that begins with ourselves, That begins with our lifestyles.
25:48
Speaker 1: That begins with our choices for where we put our
25:51
Speaker 1: money it and that just something as simple as not
25:57
Speaker 1: shopping in a supermarket, as as buying stuff from a
26:02
Speaker 1: local provider, a local farmer, whatever it is. Looking after
26:07
Speaker 1: our own health, so we're not in the care system
26:11
Speaker 1: in any ship in any way, shape or form. And
26:15
Speaker 1: then once we have sorted ourselves out to a certain degree,
26:20
Speaker 1: then maybe looking at what we can do outside of ourselves,
26:23
Speaker 1: but it starts with ourselves. I mean. One of the things, yeah,
26:27
Speaker 1: and one of the things that I that I was
26:29
Speaker 1: really surprised about was, you know, last at the end
26:32
Speaker 1: of September last year, my father passed away. And in
26:37
Speaker 1: the year up to the point, he had a good life.
26:40
Speaker 1: He had a healthy life up until about a year
26:43
Speaker 1: before he went. And in that year he unfortunately had
26:48
Speaker 1: to engage with the care system and he never he
26:54
Speaker 1: didn't have to go into care home. He was able
26:55
Speaker 1: to stay at home until until he died, which was lovely,
26:59
Speaker 1: but with the best will in the world, the carerors
27:03
Speaker 1: that came to look after him didn't have time to
27:08
Speaker 1: be loving or gentle, or they just didn't have time.
27:13
Speaker 1: They were under pressure. They had to be there. They
27:15
Speaker 1: had to get the jobs done. They were with them
27:18
Speaker 1: twice a day. They had to be there. They get
27:19
Speaker 1: the jobs done, they get to the next place. And
27:22
Speaker 1: so if he was not in the mood or was
27:25
Speaker 1: just being difficulty, that became they were reacting badly to
27:30
Speaker 1: that and so on, just because they didn't have the
27:32
Speaker 1: time right. And I said to myself, I'm not going
27:36
Speaker 1: to end up now. Of course, you can't make any
27:39
Speaker 1: guarantees in life, but I said to myself, I'm not
27:41
Speaker 1: going to end up needing care now. A lot of
27:44
Speaker 1: people will have noticed that if you look back at
27:46
Speaker 1: UK column News a year or two ago, I was
27:50
Speaker 1: significantly carried more weight than I am at the moment.
27:54
Speaker 1: And that's because I decided that I was going to
27:56
Speaker 1: do something about my health. And I have decided to
27:59
Speaker 1: do something about my health and my fitness. And my
28:02
Speaker 1: goal in life is to now, in terms of my
28:06
Speaker 1: own personal fitness, is to attempt to live for as
28:12
Speaker 1: long as I can, as fit as I can, and
28:14
Speaker 1: basically keel over dead at some point. Right, I do
28:17
Speaker 1: not want to be reliant on a caurse a no.
28:20
Speaker 1: So that's one part of the story. The other part
28:22
Speaker 1: of The story is that my wife works with primary
28:27
Speaker 1: school children. She works with special needs kids mainly, but
28:30
Speaker 1: she's working and increasingly in the UK, special needs kids
28:34
Speaker 1: are being put into mainstream primary school. So she's working
28:36
Speaker 1: in a mainstream primary school, and she's working in a
28:40
Speaker 1: challenging part of the city where the kids are from
28:43
Speaker 1: poor backgrounds and so on. But nonetheless, these kids, some
28:51
Speaker 1: of them are still needing to be They're still wearing
28:57
Speaker 1: nappies at seven and eight years old in some cases.
29:01
Speaker 1: Right now, this young generation of kids it's coming up
29:06
Speaker 1: are going to be the kids some of them are
29:08
Speaker 1: going to be the kids that are going to be
29:09
Speaker 1: manning the care homes and providing the care for old
29:12
Speaker 1: age care when you and I are needing that. And
29:16
Speaker 1: I'm saying to myself, if you think things are bad
29:20
Speaker 1: with that situation now, I just wait twenty years, thirty years, right.
29:25
Speaker 1: So anyway, I decided I would because I had a
29:31
Speaker 1: good friend, a guy I've known for many, many years
29:34
Speaker 1: who's been working on this himself. He's a few years
29:36
Speaker 1: older than I am, and so I had him, a
29:39
Speaker 1: guy called David Siegel. I had him on the UK
29:41
Speaker 1: call him a couple of times for an interview to
29:43
Speaker 1: talk about longevity, not in the sense of living longer,
29:46
Speaker 1: but living healthy longer, and fitness and the types of
29:51
Speaker 1: as you know, if you're over fifty years old, what
29:53
Speaker 1: types of exercise do you need to do because you've
29:55
Speaker 1: got to avoid injury and these kinds of things and
29:57
Speaker 1: so on, and those interviews probably had the lowest engagement
30:03
Speaker 1: of anything, and I just thought it was, well, hold
30:05
Speaker 1: on a second, guys, we're talking about stuff that actually
30:08
Speaker 1: should be important to all of us, and it's not
30:11
Speaker 1: about We weren't trying to sell anything. We were just
30:13
Speaker 1: giving advice. And I couldn't work out why why that
30:17
Speaker 1: that had low engagement? It was it was I don't
30:21
Speaker 1: quite get it.
30:22
Speaker 2: To this point, I have to admit I have exactly
30:25
Speaker 2: the same thought process. It's something that has fest that
30:29
Speaker 2: fascinated me for a while. Why solutions based or shall
30:33
Speaker 2: we say, whackpoole conversations just seem to get no attraction.
30:38
Speaker 1: That's where it begins. It begins with ourselves and you
30:41
Speaker 1: and the problem. You know, one of the problems is
30:44
Speaker 1: that that I see so many people saying, well, what
30:47
Speaker 1: can we do about it? And they're looking for some big,
30:50
Speaker 1: high level answer that's going to immediately. So this is
30:54
Speaker 1: about part of the reason why everybody's been so enthusiastic
30:58
Speaker 1: about Donald Trump, for example, or Nigel Farage or these
31:01
Speaker 1: types of characters, because they think that these people are
31:04
Speaker 1: going to come and solve the issues for everybody. Ain't
31:08
Speaker 1: going to happen. I'm sorry, right, And you know, for example,
31:14
Speaker 1: just another quick example in twenty eighteen, when the Brexit
31:19
Speaker 1: referendum result came in, we got on the UK column
31:24
Speaker 1: News the following day, the following morning and lunchtime and said, look, guys,
31:30
Speaker 1: this isn't what it seems. This is Brexit without the exit.
31:33
Speaker 1: We're not leaving and don't believe a word of it.
31:35
Speaker 1: And the number of people that wrote in and said,
31:40
Speaker 1: you're horrible people because could you not have given us
31:42
Speaker 1: at least one day of celebration. No, no, sorry, it's
31:47
Speaker 1: the same with Trump. This is not the answer. This
31:51
Speaker 1: is not the answer. The answer is going to come
31:53
Speaker 1: bottom up, it's not going to come top down. But
31:56
Speaker 1: unless we are healthy in every way within ourselves, we're
32:02
Speaker 1: not going to find the solutions.
32:04
Speaker 2: It's because people are wanting a savior, yes, yeah, yeah, but.
32:08
Speaker 1: It's also it's also, I'm going to say it's also
32:10
Speaker 1: because a savior means that we don't have to do
32:14
Speaker 1: it for ourselves.
32:15
Speaker 2: Correct. But that is an issue I've had with I
32:20
Speaker 2: call it the personality cult of Trump. And it's not
32:23
Speaker 2: Trump's fault. He's clearly very good at at you know,
32:27
Speaker 2: at popularism. But for example, something that spugged me a lot.
32:34
Speaker 2: I've spent the last few years trying to dismantle the
32:37
Speaker 2: COVID narrative. Trump comes in and suddenly says, there's a
32:42
Speaker 2: lab leak, and now millions of people are back where
32:46
Speaker 2: they were three years ago, because if you believe there
32:50
Speaker 2: was a lab leak, then you therefore are legitimizing the
32:53
Speaker 2: claim that there was a pandemic. I don't believe that
32:56
Speaker 2: there was a pandemic or that there was a lab leak.
32:58
Speaker 2: But now how do you fight that? Because this is
33:02
Speaker 2: this is the machine, you know, and now and now
33:06
Speaker 2: you've got all the people who love him, and they
33:08
Speaker 2: don't want to disagree with him, so they kick the
33:11
Speaker 2: can down the road.
33:13
Speaker 1: So this is a great example in a lot of
33:17
Speaker 1: the the In a lot of the stuff that I
33:21
Speaker 1: see being shared in social media, there is no internal
33:25
Speaker 1: consistency in the argument. Right, So it was a lab link,
33:31
Speaker 1: but nobody died. Well, if it was a lab link
33:35
Speaker 1: and it was a bio weapon, it wasn't a very
33:37
Speaker 1: effective bioweapon if nobody died, So who gives a dam
33:41
Speaker 1: overs If it was a lablak, the lab liik story
33:43
Speaker 1: then becomes a non story, right because there was no
33:47
Speaker 1: there was no bio weapon if nobody died from it.
33:50
Speaker 1: So what are you saying, what is your argument? Are
33:53
Speaker 1: you now saying that that all the people that died
33:57
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty and twenty twenty one died of sars
34:00
Speaker 1: CoV two, because those same people will probably say, on
34:05
Speaker 1: a different occasion that there's no such thing as varus. Well,
34:07
Speaker 1: if there's no such thing as a varus, how can
34:09
Speaker 1: there be a lab leak. So you know that there's
34:14
Speaker 1: there's some very bad thinking going on within the community
34:18
Speaker 1: in many ways. And and this is this again comes
34:21
Speaker 1: back to the point of we've got to sort ourselves out. First,
34:25
Speaker 1: We've got to we've we've got to develop and you know,
34:29
Speaker 1: actually analyze what's being said to us and what we're sharing.
34:32
Speaker 1: And and yes, today it might be convenient to believe
34:36
Speaker 1: that there was a lab link because But and the
34:38
Speaker 1: other aspect of this, by the way, is when we
34:42
Speaker 1: look at who's actually pushing the Lablaku store. I'm not
34:45
Speaker 1: talking about Trump or at the political level. I'm talking
34:47
Speaker 1: about at the deep state level, the likes of Richard
34:50
Speaker 1: Dearlove for example. Well, have we forgotten that Richard Dearlove
34:54
Speaker 1: was the same man who pushed the yellow Cake story
34:56
Speaker 1: that brought us into the war in Iraq? Right, So,
35:00
Speaker 1: so the same man is now pushing the Lablique story.
35:02
Speaker 1: Why is he doing that? Is it because he actually
35:05
Speaker 1: believes that there was a leak from a lab in
35:08
Speaker 1: or is it because he's you know, okay, he's retired
35:12
Speaker 1: head of m I six, but in fact he's still
35:14
Speaker 1: a deep state actor. Is it because he's pushing for
35:18
Speaker 1: war with China, which is what I believe he's absolutely doing. Right, So,
35:26
Speaker 1: so you know, we've we've got to get our story
35:28
Speaker 1: straight and try to get some consistency in the arguments
35:33
Speaker 1: that we're making.
35:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also, the lab leak narrative, as you just
35:38
Speaker 2: pointed out, feeds the anti China narrative, which is very
35:44
Speaker 2: much in the crossairs now of the US.
35:49
Speaker 1: So look, no, matter what you think about Donald Trump
35:51
Speaker 1: as he is, he is one person and aroundom is
35:56
Speaker 1: the biggest deep state operation on the entire planet, right,
36:01
Speaker 1: and he is going to be no matter no matter
36:06
Speaker 1: what he is, he's going to be influenced by the
36:08
Speaker 1: people that are around him. And many, many of those
36:11
Speaker 1: people believe that China is the biggest threat to their
36:16
Speaker 1: way of life. Now, what is their way of life?
36:20
Speaker 1: The first thing, we've got to recognize that their way
36:22
Speaker 1: of life is not our way of life, because what
36:23
Speaker 1: we're talking about here is people that are, you know,
36:28
Speaker 1: from the billionaire class, and so what they're seeing is
36:34
Speaker 1: that there their cushy number that they've been on for
36:37
Speaker 1: the last several decades, is a lot of that revenues
36:44
Speaker 1: is disappearing into other countries like Russia and China and
36:47
Speaker 1: which they aren't getting the benefit of. So so of
36:52
Speaker 1: course they're going to start pushing against that. Now, the
36:55
Speaker 1: fact that they created the the you know, by a
37:00
Speaker 1: sporting the jobs and the and the technology to China
37:03
Speaker 1: in the first place, that that that irony, you know,
37:06
Speaker 1: we can just set that aside as far as they're concerned.
37:09
Speaker 1: But China has become the enemy because it can't be
37:12
Speaker 1: exploited anymore in the way that it was twenty or
37:16
Speaker 1: thirty years ago.
37:18
Speaker 2: It's actually really interesting because on the one hand, we
37:21
Speaker 2: want to talk about Trump and Putin and Jijing ping, right,
37:25
Speaker 2: and these are powerful leaders, but they're only powerful within
37:29
Speaker 2: certain parameters that are given to them. Because you talk
37:32
Speaker 2: about the deep state, the D O D, the CIA
37:35
Speaker 2: are exceptionally powerful, and then of course the central bankers
37:38
Speaker 2: are even more powerful.
37:44
Speaker 1: Yes, but again it's clear that you know, you know,
37:50
Speaker 1: a lot of people have a worldview that that that
37:53
Speaker 1: you know, what we're facing is some kind of cohesive,
38:00
Speaker 1: some kind of case of thing that that is is
38:02
Speaker 1: controlling everything.
38:04
Speaker 2: It's quite disjointed.
38:06
Speaker 1: Yes, I don't see it that way at all. I
38:08
Speaker 1: see I see other chaos actually on the other side.
38:11
Speaker 1: Uh And and although there, you know, and I don't
38:15
Speaker 1: see a huge amount of agreement about exactly you know,
38:17
Speaker 1: they may have some basic agreement on general general direction.
38:22
Speaker 1: But but yeah, but you know, we all know that
38:28
Speaker 1: the deep state exists. You know, we've UK columns just
38:31
Speaker 1: run a conference in Cheltenham on this topic and and
38:37
Speaker 1: we give some insight into what, you know, the bits
38:41
Speaker 1: of the deep state that we can see. And we
38:43
Speaker 1: had some people talking there that that had have worked
38:46
Speaker 1: for the deep state in the past, in the past,
38:47
Speaker 1: like Catherine Gunn for example, who most people will know,
38:51
Speaker 1: blew the whistle on the attempts by the deep state
38:55
Speaker 1: to get us into war with Iraq and and ended up.
38:59
Speaker 1: Well mhm, watch watch her and watch her film, and
39:04
Speaker 1: watch reader book and so on, and get an idea
39:07
Speaker 1: for that, because I absolutely recommend that everybody does that.
39:10
Speaker 1: But uh, you know, the even within the intelligence agencies,
39:17
Speaker 1: there is competition and and so I don't think there
39:21
Speaker 1: is a cohesive control mechanism. That isn't the point it
39:25
Speaker 1: was going to make. The point is that that is
39:27
Speaker 1: a certain level of society and and and in in
39:30
Speaker 1: general we can't engage directly with it. But we've we've
39:36
Speaker 1: always got to keep in mind that the deep state,
39:39
Speaker 1: whatever whatever your view of the deep state may be,
39:42
Speaker 1: does not have its fingers on at ground level. That
39:48
Speaker 1: there's a middle management structure, and and politics is part
39:53
Speaker 1: of that, and think tanks, UH and and so on
39:58
Speaker 1: or another part of that, and and and other policy
40:03
Speaker 1: making organizations. These things we can see, and these things
40:07
Speaker 1: we can disrupt, and if we can disrupt that level
40:11
Speaker 1: and keep disrupting that level of it, then then of
40:14
Speaker 1: course they can't pursue their their agenda. And and that's
40:18
Speaker 1: that's what we have been doing, and that's what we've
40:20
Speaker 1: got to keep doing. Unfortunately, some people have taken that
40:22
Speaker 1: to an extreme where basically they they have come to
40:27
Speaker 1: the conclusion that anything that is said by any kind
40:31
Speaker 1: of mainstream source, whether it's be a scientific source, of
40:33
Speaker 1: medical source, a political source of media source, if it's
40:37
Speaker 1: come from the mainstream, it's a lie. And of course
40:41
Speaker 1: that that isn't true either, right, So it's two yes,
40:46
Speaker 1: it is an massive oversimplification. And even even you know,
40:52
Speaker 1: taking the view, for example, that the shishiin Ping and
40:55
Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin are just the other side of the same
40:58
Speaker 1: coin because they're also pursued doing CBDC and and digital
41:02
Speaker 1: idea and these kinds of things. Yes, these this is
41:04
Speaker 1: true to a certain degree. I think there's it just
41:10
Speaker 1: just making simplifying it to that degree. This is a
41:13
Speaker 1: huge amount of nuance and and UH and direction of
41:18
Speaker 1: travel UH plays a big part in this as well.
41:23
Speaker 1: So you know, for example, I was in China a
41:28
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, UH, and UH I'm not going
41:32
Speaker 1: to say too much about being in China a couple
41:34
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, because I've just done an interview with
41:35
Speaker 1: Kausa and I don't want to I don't want to
41:37
Speaker 1: completely subvert that one. But what I what I will
41:40
Speaker 1: say is that that, you know, people's view of this
41:46
Speaker 1: type of technology, and people's view of even the state
41:49
Speaker 1: and the government is much more positive and optimistic than
41:54
Speaker 1: ours is of our equivalent. And I think I think
41:59
Speaker 1: that part of a reason for that is because you know, famously,
42:04
Speaker 1: China has lifted eight hundred million people out of poverty.
42:07
Speaker 1: The direction of travel is from relative poverty, and now
42:12
Speaker 1: people are relatively well off and they're still heading in
42:14
Speaker 1: a much better direction as general, and they perceive that
42:19
Speaker 1: that a lot of this technology has facilitated that. In
42:23
Speaker 1: our case, we have we have we are going from
42:26
Speaker 1: a position of relative comfortable, you know, being relatively comfortably off,
42:32
Speaker 1: and are we're what we're witnessing our infrastructure collapse, We're
42:35
Speaker 1: witnessing our societies collapse, We're witnessing the effects of immigration,
42:39
Speaker 1: the effects of just non investment in our societies, and
42:44
Speaker 1: so we're going in the opposite direction, and as a result,
42:47
Speaker 1: we are actually naturally significantly more pessimistic about about our
42:53
Speaker 1: governments and so on, and as a result, we are
42:56
Speaker 1: choosing to elect people who are are less than equipped
43:01
Speaker 1: to solve these problems. So so in a sense where
43:05
Speaker 1: we're we're living our own demise.
43:11
Speaker 2: Mike, that's also again a very good point that you're making.
43:15
Speaker 2: It's and it's a conversation I've been having for quite
43:17
Speaker 2: a long time now. For example, let's just you mentioned China,
43:20
Speaker 2: so let's talk about China for a second. It's it's strange,
43:25
Speaker 2: but it plays into that oversimplification. You have people in
43:30
Speaker 2: the West going, ah, but they're just commies, and so
43:32
Speaker 2: because of the word communist, the whole country of one
43:36
Speaker 2: and a half billion people cannot in any possible shape
43:39
Speaker 2: or form be a success. But the reality is that
43:42
Speaker 2: they're applying a single word to a highly complex society
43:47
Speaker 2: that has existed for thousands of years. It's quite possible
43:51
Speaker 2: that these single word definitions are actually relevant, and we
43:56
Speaker 2: need to we need to actually, as you did, go
43:58
Speaker 2: there and see for us and realized that we're actually
44:02
Speaker 2: just talking nonsense.
44:05
Speaker 1: So the the second interview that the second UK column
44:10
Speaker 1: interview that I did with Carl. Now, this this latest
44:13
Speaker 1: one I've did is for his podcast. But the second
44:15
Speaker 1: one that I did with Carl as a UK column interview.
44:18
Speaker 1: The first question I asked them was is China still
44:21
Speaker 1: a communist country? And that was having not been there
44:24
Speaker 1: and he and he said basically not. And I'm going
44:27
Speaker 1: to say that having been there, China is not a
44:30
Speaker 1: communist country. Now. It may be run, it may be
44:33
Speaker 1: run by the Chinese Communist Party, but everybody there is
44:39
Speaker 1: running their own business or they're they're they're earning a living.
44:43
Speaker 1: They are they this is not you know, the old
44:48
Speaker 1: sort of Soviet system of of everybody being allocated a
44:52
Speaker 1: job sort of thing. People they're they're they're doing the
44:56
Speaker 1: exactly the same types of commercial activities. You could call
44:59
Speaker 1: it capitalism. Yeah, but that's that's what we're doing.
45:03
Speaker 2: That's the point I'm trying to make, Mike. People are
45:06
Speaker 2: caught up in these words, these these single these single descriptors.
45:11
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter, you know, it doesn't matter is trying
45:13
Speaker 2: to communists or not, It doesn't matter. It's a success.
45:16
Speaker 2: Whatever they're doing is working. And on top of that,
45:20
Speaker 2: you'll notice that they are very community driven.
45:25
Speaker 1: That was I mean so, like I said, I don't
45:30
Speaker 1: want to go too far into this because I've covered
45:31
Speaker 1: a lot of this with Carl, but but yes, frankly,
45:35
Speaker 1: the the skill of the population is something that that
45:39
Speaker 1: unless you've been there, you cannot get to grips with.
45:42
Speaker 1: But despite that, you go to there's park, there's you know,
45:46
Speaker 1: in the in the cities, there's parks everywhere, and you
45:48
Speaker 1: go to the parks and there's there's groups of people
45:50
Speaker 1: all playing tai chi and and they're playing go where
45:56
Speaker 1: they're playing chess, and you just see community everywhere. And
46:01
Speaker 1: I look at Plymouth, you know, a small a small
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Speaker 1: city in China's four or five million people and Plymouth,
46:08
Speaker 1: which is a small city in the UK is two
46:10
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand people. And there's very little sensor
46:14
Speaker 1: community here, very little, and most people don't know who
46:18
Speaker 1: their neighbors are and this type of thing, so you know,
46:22
Speaker 1: it's it is. It was something that was quite amazing
46:27
Speaker 1: to me that people are so that sensor community is
46:33
Speaker 1: there despite the sheer numbers of people.
46:36
Speaker 2: I saw when I was in Amsterdam about a year
46:39
Speaker 2: and a half ago, loads and loads and loads of
46:42
Speaker 2: happy individualism. You know, people just walking around in the
46:45
Speaker 2: city with headphones on, looking at their cell phones, completely
46:49
Speaker 2: disconnected from everything around them. It was really eye opening.
46:56
Speaker 1: When I was supplying for the visa to go to
46:59
Speaker 1: go to China, I was I went back to London
47:01
Speaker 1: because you have to go to London to the visa center,
47:05
Speaker 1: and I had a little bit of time my hands.
47:08
Speaker 1: It was a lovely day, so I just sat outside
47:13
Speaker 1: the Bank of England and watched the drones go past
47:18
Speaker 1: with their phones in their hands, and they're you know,
47:21
Speaker 1: they just they have no interest in what's going around them.
47:25
Speaker 1: They're just totally focused on that tiny little screen. And
47:29
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking himself, well, maybe that's the We'll come
47:32
Speaker 1: back to the earlier point. Maybe that's the explanation for
47:35
Speaker 1: why people people aren't engaged anymore. They're called they're caught
47:40
Speaker 1: in this drug.
47:42
Speaker 2: It's it's it really yeah, I mean it really is.
47:44
Speaker 2: Because it again also feeds into what you said earlier
47:47
Speaker 2: about personal well being and health. These are the things
47:51
Speaker 2: that matter the most.
47:53
Speaker 1: So a lot of years ago, a doctor friend of
47:57
Speaker 1: mine said to me, you know, giving a smartphone or
48:03
Speaker 1: a tablet to a child is the worst thing you
48:08
Speaker 1: can possibly do, because it actually physically rewires the brain.
48:12
Speaker 1: The brain develops in a different way, and the wiring
48:15
Speaker 1: of the brain is different in that individual compared to
48:17
Speaker 1: someone who hasn't had that. Now we're recording this news
48:23
Speaker 1: program on a Thursday, or sorry, this program on a Thursday.
48:27
Speaker 1: And yesterday's news program, I was talking about the latest
48:31
Speaker 1: report from OFFCOM looking at media consumption in children, and
48:38
Speaker 1: they're making the point that in twenty twenty four, there
48:41
Speaker 1: was yet another increase in the number of children aged
48:45
Speaker 1: three to five who are on a daily basis using smartphones,
48:51
Speaker 1: three to five year olds using social media, three to
48:55
Speaker 1: five year olds, some of them having profiles on social media. Right,
49:00
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, you know, what kind of generation this
49:04
Speaker 1: is our future? What kind of generation are we growing
49:07
Speaker 1: at the moment? You know, my kids are both adults now.
49:12
Speaker 1: They didn't have smartphones or tablets until they were sixteen seventeen,
49:18
Speaker 1: and even that was too early in my opinion. But
49:23
Speaker 1: we didn't force them on that. We just talked to
49:29
Speaker 1: them about it and they took the decision themselves. And
49:33
Speaker 1: I'm not going to deny that they came under massive
49:36
Speaker 1: peer pressure to have a phone from a very young age.
49:42
Speaker 1: And they both said through their own choice. They both
49:46
Speaker 1: said no, and they chose not to, and I think
49:50
Speaker 1: that it has served them well actually compared to a
49:54
Speaker 1: lot of their other school friends who ended up with
50:00
Speaker 1: gender confusion and all the usual kinds of stuff. And
50:05
Speaker 1: you know, I think now that they grew up with
50:10
Speaker 1: none of those issues. No, I can't say for sure
50:14
Speaker 1: that that was that that was because they didn't have
50:16
Speaker 1: a smartphone, but because there may have been other other
50:20
Speaker 1: influences that play there. But I think that it certainly helped.
50:26
Speaker 2: What do you think the world is going to look
50:27
Speaker 2: like one hundred years from now?
50:32
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't think I can even guess at that,
50:35
Speaker 1: because because it could go, it could go so many
50:39
Speaker 1: different ways, couldn't it. I mean, we could Humanity could
50:43
Speaker 1: absolutely destroy itself. I think we absolutely have that capacity.
50:49
Speaker 1: Or or we could decide that this is not the
50:53
Speaker 1: way forward. What we're doing is not the way forward.
50:56
Speaker 1: So you know, it really depends on on whether people
51:05
Speaker 1: come to their senses, if they accept, if they if
51:09
Speaker 1: we avoid killing ourselves through global conflict, then the next
51:15
Speaker 1: I suppose, at this point, looking at things as the
51:17
Speaker 1: art at the moment, the next most likely scenario is
51:19
Speaker 1: that we build ourselves this uber controlled dystopia with CBDC
51:25
Speaker 1: and digital ida and the rest of it. And and
51:28
Speaker 1: and we've we've turned ourselves into some kind of transhumanist
51:32
Speaker 1: nightmare by merging with the machine, or we we could
51:37
Speaker 1: actually have decided that this is not the way forward,
51:42
Speaker 1: and we reject all that. But I think we absolutely
51:47
Speaker 1: have a couple of really major problems to solve, and
51:52
Speaker 1: one of those is UH birth rates, because because we are,
51:59
Speaker 1: without question, building a real nightmare for ourselves in terms
52:04
Speaker 1: of how we look after older people. And I have
52:11
Speaker 1: a fear that we have decided that older people are useless,
52:21
Speaker 1: that they don't provide anything to society, that they're a
52:24
Speaker 1: burden in society, and so on. I think this is
52:27
Speaker 1: a message as being delivered to children and the younger
52:30
Speaker 1: people very strongly. And again, you know, if we're looking
52:34
Speaker 1: at at who's going to be looking after the elderly whenever,
52:38
Speaker 1: whenever you and I are getting to that point, without question,
52:45
Speaker 1: we will be at a stage where the younger generations
52:49
Speaker 1: are going to say it probably easier just to bump
52:51
Speaker 1: them off.
52:52
Speaker 2: I look back with fondness. I look into the last
52:56
Speaker 2: hundred years, and I think to myself. They made a
52:58
Speaker 2: lot of good calls. They've made a lot of bad
53:00
Speaker 2: calls too, But one hundred years from now, I wonder
53:05
Speaker 2: if they're going to look back at us and go, yeah,
53:07
Speaker 2: what a bunch of idiots.
53:09
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I think. I think if humanity survives, I
53:14
Speaker 1: think that is I think that is very much what's
53:17
Speaker 1: going to happen. I think this is a dark age
53:21
Speaker 1: in terms of our attitudes, our attitudes to ourselves, our
53:25
Speaker 1: attitudes to each other, our attitudes to society. I think
53:30
Speaker 1: we have absolutely have the capacity to come out of
53:32
Speaker 1: that in a very positive way, but it for sure
53:37
Speaker 1: requires some real.
53:39
Speaker 2: They're gonna yeah, I mean, they're going to look at
53:42
Speaker 2: photographs of masses of people in the year twenty twenty
53:47
Speaker 2: one lining up like cattle to get an injection in
53:49
Speaker 2: their arm while wearing a mask over their face, and
53:52
Speaker 2: they're going to be laughing at us.
53:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, because there was never a gun pointed at our heads.
53:58
Speaker 1: This in a real sense, we volunteered as as a
54:02
Speaker 1: as a population. We volunteered, and and that's that's the bit.
54:06
Speaker 1: That's a bit that still kills me, you know. With
54:09
Speaker 1: with a few exceptions, we volunteered, and we went out
54:13
Speaker 1: every Thursday night in the UK and banged their pots
54:15
Speaker 1: together for the NHS and all this kind of stuff.
54:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, so is it Is there a moral of the story?
54:24
Speaker 1: Is there a moral of the story?
54:26
Speaker 2: Hmmm? I mean, in fact, you don't.
54:30
Speaker 1: I think we have. I think I think the moral
54:32
Speaker 1: hasn't become clear yet. I think we I think we
54:36
Speaker 1: this This might be worrying to some people, but I
54:39
Speaker 1: have always held the view that things have to get
54:42
Speaker 1: worse before they're going to get better. Because this comes
54:45
Speaker 1: back to what I was saying earlier on it. You know,
54:50
Speaker 1: what we're facing has to be has to be in
54:52
Speaker 1: the faces of and obvious to the majority of people,
54:57
Speaker 1: and not just obvious to a minority of people. Think
55:00
Speaker 1: we've got to We've gotta.
55:01
Speaker 2: It's got to be, you know, why don't happen? Ury
55:04
Speaker 2: Besmonov in his interview with who interviewed him in nineteen
55:11
Speaker 2: eighty three, ah je JEEVIDH. Griffin interviewed him and Uri
55:18
Speaker 2: basman Of said, you can take people to the goulags
55:22
Speaker 2: and they still won't believe it. They will only believe
55:25
Speaker 2: it when the foot of a soldier is on their head,
55:29
Speaker 2: pushed to the ground.
55:31
Speaker 1: I ain't going to say yes, I'll take that point,
55:34
Speaker 1: but we don't have to have everybody. We just have
55:40
Speaker 1: to have enough. And it's a critical nott what what yeah,
55:44
Speaker 1: and what I think that, what I think that COVID
55:46
Speaker 1: did demonstrate is that there were enough people called be
55:54
Speaker 1: a solid that in fact, at the end of the day,
55:58
Speaker 1: the whole thing has been a fit. So I'm going
56:03
Speaker 1: to say I'm not quite as pessimistic as that, because
56:06
Speaker 1: I don't think it requires everybody it but I think
56:09
Speaker 1: it requires more than there are. It certainly requires more
56:13
Speaker 1: than there are today. It requires more than there were
56:16
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty and twenty twenty one, but not massively more.
56:19
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