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#091 _STORY INSPIRE: Decisions that transforman with Tim Dillon · INSPIRE STORY

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  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience.
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  Speaker 2: Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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  When I was 13, I was smoking.
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  Speaker 1: My father said that to me. He goes, you know
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  what's a good thing about you? You never smoked them
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  down to the filter. What a good kid. And what
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  a great family. And what a great family.
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  Speaker 2: My sister smoked when we were in high school. I
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  was always like, God, why are you smoking?
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  Speaker 1: It's so stupid.
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  Speaker 2: And then I had to do a play once with
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  Adam Ferrara and a couple other people. And I was
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  supposed to play this Something that a bunch of comics wrote,
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  like a funny little sketch thing. And I was supposed
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  to play this like tortured liberal arts student and I
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  was like smoking cigarettes. So they wanted me to smoke
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  cigarettes while I was doing it. So I smoked like
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  15 fucking cigarettes while we were doing it and I
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  threw up. I had a fucking horrible headache.
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  Speaker 1: Really?
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, I'm so high.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: My arms don't move right.
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  Speaker 2: If you've never smoked cigarettes at all and you just
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  smoked 15 in a row– Were you.
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  Speaker 1: Like an athlete too?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, so that totally fucked you up. Oh, completely fucked
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  me up. Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, the first time I
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  had a cigarette, it's so terrible, but I was like,
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  this is great. My body responded. I don't know how–
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  like what you had is the very normal experience.
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  Speaker 2: It was just too much. One cigarette I actually liked.
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  I was like, ooh, what a head rush. This is
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  kind of cool. I go, now I kind of get it.
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  I get why you guys like this.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting.
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  Speaker 2: But we were doing this thing and I had to
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  always be smoking.
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  Speaker 1: So we had to rehearse.
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  Speaker 2: We were doing it all day and I wanted to
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  try to like feel normal with a cigarette in my hand.
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  So I kept smoking them and then I liked them.
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  So I kept smoking them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a tough thing because the thing about
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  and I've been sober 15 years from alcohol and drugs
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  and I look at people that are really drunk. It
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  doesn't look appealing. It doesn't look good. But when you
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  see somebody with a cigarette, it always looks good. It
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  looks like it always looks good. You never say to
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  yourself like that person is going to lose. Now you'll
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  get sick and die, but you never go. They're going
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  to lose control of their life. So you look at
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  somebody with a cigarette and you go, oh, yeah, they're
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  having one. They're cool. It's fine. They're using it to
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  help hang on. I never look cool with it. It's
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  like you look at an actor doing it or someone
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  at like the Cannes Film Festival. Yeah, someone like that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Timothee Chalamet has one. He's the size of one and
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  he has one. And I go, that looks fine. Probably
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  in France or something. You know what I mean? They
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  all do shit like that. So you'll see that.
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  Speaker 2: You should get a cigarette holder to go with your sunglasses.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Hunter Thompson cigarette holders. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's your next move. I just got a long stems
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  with the cigarette at the end of it.
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  Speaker 1: Like 1920s. Yeah. Like 1920s. And no, it's it's and
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  it's the worst thing because the smell is terrible.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And it destroys your clothes. And it's very bad for
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  your health, obviously. Yeah. But it is one of those things.
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  That it's just such a good product. What other product
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  could they tell you? It kills you and we're raising
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  the price every year.
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  Speaker 2: How about in England where they smoke like crazy? You
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  have actual cancer on the fucking cartons.
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  Speaker 1: When you buy them and I was in London and
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  you bought one, there was like a dead baby on
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  one of them. A photo of them. They were like
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  low birth weight.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, this is terrible.
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  Speaker 3: And no one cares.
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  Speaker 1: They smoke more over there than anywhere. They smoke more
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  over there. They don't eat the way we eat. They
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  don't understand the way we eat. Gluttony. They don't get it.
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  There's something called Toby Carvery where you can just ladle
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  on Sunday roast and Yorkshire pudding and stuff. But for
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  the most part, the portions are smaller and people are
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  more behaved in that sense. But they drink more and
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  they smoke. This is it.
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  Speaker 2: European World Cup fans losing their minds over Taco Bell
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  ranch and unlimited refills.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Because they get sick when they come here.
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  They get sick because there's chemicals in our food.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody was telling me they went to Bucky's and the
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  there was the soccer teams were at Bucky's for the
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  first time and they just fucking couldn't believe it.
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  Speaker 1: Of course.
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  Speaker 2: Imagine that's your first one of the first experiences you
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  have in America.
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  Speaker 1: You walk into a Bucky's.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And you're from Czechoslovakia or some shit.
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  Speaker 1: It's one of the most American places, as you've said,
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  that exists. You have this gas station, but that's also
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  like a weird theme park of food and all kinds
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  of other shit that you could need.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this guy, dude, LMAO, this is a gas station.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, do you see how big they are? Yeah.
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  24 million views. That's hilarious. That's hilarious. No, it's completely
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  alien to their culture to have a place like that
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  where you could go buy– the Costco's are alien to them.
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  The idea that you could buy mayonnaise in a bucket
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  or jars and things that you would keep like– they
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  all think we're preppers because if you go to like
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  a– A big grocery store chain, you're buying food for
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  a long period of time. They don't do that there.
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  They buy stuff for like the week.
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  Speaker 2: They have small refrigerators. Yeah, small refrigerators, couple of days.
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  They don't have refrigerators like we have. But also they
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  don't have the same amount of preservatives in their food,
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  which is why it's not poison.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: They also don't think, and they could be wrong about this,
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  but they also don't think that like they're going to
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  lose access because of some race war. You know what
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  I mean? Like there is a little bit of planning
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  that goes into some of these grocery runs that does
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  seem slightly paranoid. Oh, yeah. Well, the news media over
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  here ramps you up.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And you start thinking about stockpiling gold. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, when I lived in L.A., when my kids were young,
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  I had an apocalypse truck built.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: That Toyota Land Cruiser I got, I specifically– I go,
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  I need a bug-out truck, like a truck where I
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  could store a lot of shit in it and I
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  could literally drive over a mountain.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I need.
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  Speaker 2: I need a car that's not just a road car.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: I need a car that occasionally shit might go sideways
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  and you got to get the fuck out of here
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  and you got to drive through the desert.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. And I've left LA multiple times to make that drive.
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  Not in an apocalypse car, but because of fires, because
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  of riots. Like sometimes you just got to get out
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  of Dodge.
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  Speaker 2: I got evacuated three fucking times when I lived there.
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  And it got as close to like burning my fence down.
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  Speaker 1: It's part of the LA experience to get in a car.
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  David Spade called me once during the riots. He goes,
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  your block is on fire. I thought he was kidding,
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  but there was just overturned cop cars on fire. And
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  it was like riots. This was 2020. So I just
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  got in my car and I went, okay, and I
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  drove to the desert. That's part of the L.A. experience
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  is fleeing. That's what Palm Beach is. Yeah. Yeah. Palm Springs.
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  Palm Springs, right? Yeah, you flee. Yeah, you flee. You go.
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  I mean, Palm Springs makes no sense. It's hot as fuck.
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  There's no water. Well, you know why it started? All
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  these people are there with money. It started because when
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  Paramount Pictures was doing edits, if you were in a movie,
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  you had to be within 200 miles until the movie
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  was finished editing. It was in your contract. Palm Springs
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  is like exactly 200 miles from L.A. Oh, interesting. That's
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  why they started it. Hollywood, they were like, we own you.
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  You can't go anywhere until the film was edited. So
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  if you want to go on a vacation, you have
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  to go there.
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  Speaker 2: You know what's interesting is Pasadena was where all the
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  producers lived.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: There's beautiful houses.
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  Speaker 1: In Pasadena, man. Mid-century, modern, beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, incredible places, like estates that just seem completely empty.
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  Speaker 1: Out of place. Totally. Beautiful. From another time. From another time. Well,
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  that's the thing in LA now. You get the vibe
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  that your Santino made a brilliant point. He's like, it's
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  not Hollywood. It's Hollywood the sequel. Like you're not living
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  in the thing anymore. You're living in whatever the second
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  version of the thing is. Right. The second version is TikToker. Yeah.
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  Whatever it is. It's not what it was in every place.
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  Seems a little bit like a museum or like it
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  was cool. 20 years ago or 15 years ago.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody recently said this and it's perfect. They said LA
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  is slowly becoming Detroit.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting. Yeah. The only thing that might save it is
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  the weather.
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  Speaker 2: The weather will help, but the industry dried up. So
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  the big industry in Hollywood, regardless of whether or not
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  it was the biggest economic industry, the biggest industry in
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  terms of like cultural value and getting people to move
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  there was always show business. And that's, They barely make
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  movies anymore.
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  Speaker 1: They overtaxed and overregulated their biggest industry to other states
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  and other countries.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And most people are making things all over the world
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  and very few– I think at one time it was
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  like 80 to 90 percent. Now it's 25, 30 percent
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  shot in LA.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 5: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: It's a big difference. It's a giant difference. It's a
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  big difference.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that arrogance of like this is the best place
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  in the world. Everyone is going to come here no
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  matter what.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: That's the Gavin Newsom attitude whenever he defends California. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Talks about how great the GDP is.
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  Speaker 2: We're the fifth largest economic– Yeah. He starts rattling off
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  all these wonderful statistics. And this is like instead of
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  acknowledging– we've got fucking real problems. People are moving for
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  the first time ever more than they're coming here. We're
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  losing all these giant corporations that are– instead of that,
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  it's just this– We're the shit. I'm very big on California.
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  I'm bullish on California. It's always going to be amazing here.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's what every empire said until they fell, right?
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  We are the thing.
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  Speaker 2: But people don't want to ever believe that things can fall.
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  Speaker 1: It's so weird.
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  Speaker 2: We'll walk right through the Coliseum and go, well, this
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  is going to never happen again.
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  Speaker 1: Right. When we landed in L.A., I looked to the
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  right and that warehouse was on fire. with 85 billion
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  or 85 million tons of chemicals in a warehouse that
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  was on fire. It was like a multi-day blaze. And
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  you're landing and you're looking out the window and you're
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  just seeing the warehouse on fire. And then there was
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  a car fire on the 405. Like I sold my house,
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  have an apartment there now. But like, as I was
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  going to my apartment, there was a car on fire
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  and I was as I was landing the warehouse was
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  on fire and you start thinking yourself somebody doesn't want
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  us here like somebody wants us out like it almost
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  feels like we're being evicted.
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  Speaker 2: By nature by nature interesting well by nature human nature
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  by bad decisions by everything which is nature yeah you
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  know human nature is right here And the stupidity of
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  humans is– it's no different than the stupidity of animals
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  when they go extinct.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think it comes back? Any shot? Any chance?
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  Speaker 2: Something has to happen.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Something big has to happen.
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  Speaker 2: I mean there has to be something that completely shifts
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  the way LA looks at itself.
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  Speaker 1: It has to look at.
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  Speaker 2: Itself as like a functioning business instead of a giant
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  scam for nonprofits.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: A big part of LA's problem is there's a bunch
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  of people that are in the empathy industry.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And they're in the– we're working for this and we're
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  working for that. And a giant chunk of their money
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  is going to that kind of shit.
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  Speaker 1: I did a great show at Oceans in Atlantic City,
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  which is a casino there. And the owner of that
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  casino was talking to me and I said, what would
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  fix Atlantic City? Because Atlantic City has some similar problems
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  to LA but vastly worse. Yeah, way worse. And he
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  was telling me, he goes, we have just a high
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  amount of people and a lot of social programs in
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  one area. So you have a lot of people that
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  are not for whatever reason productive and they are living
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  in one area and everything that comes along with that,
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  which is crime, which is vandalism, which is disorder to
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  varying degrees. And he goes, you need to get rid
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  of that in order to have a climate where businesses
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  can thrive.
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  Speaker 3: 100%.
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  Speaker 1: Which is what happened in New York in the 90s.
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  People hate it. They don't want to admit it. But
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  what happened in New York in the 90s was like
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  they did clean up a lot of the crime and
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  a lot of businesses then felt better about investing.
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  Speaker 3: 100%.
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  Speaker 2: But that's what Giuliani did.
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  Speaker 1: That's what he did, yeah. And he's demonized. He's demonized.
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  He's demonized. He hasn't– he's one of those guys where
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  if he had just done that and died, his legacy
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  would have been amazing. But he's hung around for a while.
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  And he's kind of gone into some interesting tangents. So
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  it's one of those scenarios where it's like, how do
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  you just cleaned up New York City and then left
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  public life? It would have been like that guy. Right.
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  But he hung around a little bit and, you know,
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  got involved. They always have to hang around. They always
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  hang around. You're going to do shows.
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  Speaker 2: You're always going to do stand up.
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  Speaker 3: That's right.
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  Speaker 1: I was going to do shows. But he did such
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  a good thing. And then it was like just. Yeah.
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  Just exit.
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  Speaker 2: Who's also– he was easy to make fun of like
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  the time where he was sweating in his dye.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's what I mean. You know what I mean?
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  He's melting. He's doing a press conference in a parking lot.
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  Speaker 3: Don't dye your hair.
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  Speaker 1: You're 100 years old. It's OK to have gray hair.
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  Speaker 2: It's just these guys– there's so much silliness on both sides.
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  There's silliness on the left and silliness on the right.
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  There's goofy people because the only kind of people that
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  want that kind of position of power are a little goofy.
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  You don't get the best and the brightest and the
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  most enlightened that want to be the mayor of New
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  York City.
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 1: It's not the job. You get a lot of people
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  that want power and they want influence. I think a
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  lot of that– the AI stuff, which is very interesting,
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  is starting to– I think it– I don't know how
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  quickly it will do this. But I do think it's
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  going to– it's going to lessen some of the cultural
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  divides and I think it's going to– potentially unite people
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  because it's, I think it's going to be the next
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  fight seems to be about surveillance, privacy, your, your own rights,
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  what rights you'll have. Like, I feel like that will be,
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  it might take precedent instead of like these cultural fights
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  that people have been having for a while. It might
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  be like, people might be demanding autonomy and, you know,
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  from artificial intelligence.
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  Speaker 2: The problem is going to be if you can't demand,
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  if you don't have a voice anymore. And this is
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  the potential nightmare scenario that we're seeing play out slowly
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  in England. So in England, their freedom of speech has
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  been suppressed to an alarming point where people are not
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  freaking out nearly enough about it. The amount of arrests
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  That people get over there for fucking retweets and likes.
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  Retweets and likes.
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  Speaker 1: That's so crazy to me that you could get arrested
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  for liking a tweet. Arrested? Not even retweeting. Because we
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  all know if you like, you're a piece of shit.
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  You should retweet. We all know that. Retweet it. And
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  if you're going to go to jail, you might as
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  well retweet it anyway. You're going to get locked up.
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  Speaker 2: What if you get extra years for a retweet versus
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  a like?
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure. Your Honor, my client just liked this. They
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  were confused. They hit a button.
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  Speaker 2: So as soon as you have people that feel like.
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  The reality of the world they live in is not
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  being represented and they're not allowed to complain about it
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  online because if they complain about online, they get arrested.
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  So right now it's for immigration primarily. This is the
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  right one. But that could change. That could change.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it does seem to be that they they feel
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  that there was a decision made by somebody that the public.
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  can only discuss issues in a very rigid way. They
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  can only offer their, like if not everyone who's talking
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  about immigration is doing it in the most articulate way,
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  but it's their right to do it. It's their country.
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  They should be able to say, I'm worried about increased
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  levels of immigration, you know, and they should be able
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  to say that in an ineloquent way. Right. Right. So
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  what they're doing now is, Is there policing certain words?
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  And I think certain ways of speaking and they're calling
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  a lot of things an incitement to violence. Now, some
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  things clearly are an incitement to violence. But, you know,
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  the Internet, people speak in a colorful way. People talk
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  using irony. Some people are trying to be funny. Some
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  people are. So I think the way that they're doing
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  it over there is they're basically looking at these statements
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  and going, this person is is inciting violence and threatening
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  the public good by what they're saying. Right.
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  Speaker 2: And then there's also people were getting arrested for saying
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  that there were rape gangs.
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  Speaker 1: And there were. And there were. There were.
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  Speaker 2: And so this new report, who released this new report
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  that said a quarter million people? It says UK scraps
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  police probes of legal social media posts after review says
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  response went too far. So this is April 1st, 2026.
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  But I just saw a thing about a guy getting
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  arrested like a few days ago.
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  Speaker 1: And we have rape gangs here, but ours are more successful.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's a legal social media post is which weird.
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  So legal social media posts.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Their law is different than our law. They don't have
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  freedom of speech over there. So incitement to violence is
• 17:10
  a violation of their law.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: So when it says legal, it could just be they
• 17:14
  went too far for things like cartoons.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: Or something like that.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: That's not clearly not an incitement to violence. But would
• 17:21
  it find out, Jamie, what that report was about the
• 17:24
  rape gangs?
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: I was just there for 21 days. I was in London.
• 17:27
  I went to Paris for a couple of days, but
• 17:29
  I was in London primarily for 21 days. And you
• 17:33
  talk to different groups of people and London is a
• 17:36
  global city. It's a cosmopolitan city. It's like New York. And,
• 17:40
  you know, I think one of the things that you know,
• 17:44
  they're used to diversity there. And so they're not full
• 17:47
  on panicked about different types of people coming in. But
• 17:51
  there is undeniably a real problem outside of London, also
• 17:57
  in London, but outside of London, because a lot of
• 18:00
  the economy is stagnated. So you're bringing people in. It's
• 18:03
  not clear immediately what jobs they'll do. And a lot
• 18:06
  of their cultures vary greatly from the English culture in
• 18:11
  a meaningful way. And that could be the rights of women.
• 18:14
  That could be the rights of gay people. That could
• 18:16
  be the opinions about freedom of speech. That could be
• 18:18
  freedom of religion, whatever it is. There is a cultural
• 18:22
  tension there between, you know, immigrants, migrants coming in and
• 18:28
  the very established society that's been around for a very
• 18:30
  long time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Is it about Dearborn? Is that where it is? Dearborn, Michigan, yeah.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: So we're a bunch of really progressive people.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Thought it's amazing. Sure.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Bring everyone in. Everyone's welcome. And so they got enough
• 20:01
  Muslim people in there where they could vote in a mayor.
• 20:03
  And then- This guy says no more pride flags.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: No more pride flags. Yeah.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: They're inching towards what they would like.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Yes. Which is Sharia law. If you ask.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Most people who live in these Islamic countries. Now, again,
• 20:16
  if you're asking them, they're probably under duress. They're probably
• 20:19
  terrified of saying the wrong thing.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: So you've got to factor that in. But at least
• 20:23
  a percentage of them think Sharia.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Law would be a great idea. I think there's certainly
• 20:27
  a– Yeah. I mean, and this was covered up to
• 20:31
  a lot of the grooming gang scandal there. Yeah. So
• 20:34
  we're looking at it right now.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: It says this is on National Review, the UK's horrific
• 20:39
  rape gangs. So this but there was is this the
• 20:45
  rape gang inquiry report.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: So who put this report out? Members of Parliament and
• 20:51
  Restore Britain party leader Rupert Lowe. And so the investigators
• 20:56
  had limited power, such as inability to compel witnesses or
• 20:59
  require a sort of document production that could corroborate some
• 21:03
  of the most heinous victims. Viewed with those limitations in mind,
• 21:07
  the independent report is a damning collection of victim testimonies
• 21:11
  that vividly portray the sexual terrorism that occurred nationwide for decades.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, Jesus Christ. Yeah, this is terrible. I mean, obviously.
• 21:20
  I think they said it was 250,000 victims. And this
• 21:25
  was covered up because the media didn't want to inflame
• 21:28
  anger against, you know, population of migrants.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Most of whom I'm sure were innocent of this, obviously. Obviously.
• 21:36
  But it is something that, you know, in a free society,
• 21:41
  everyone has the right to know if there are rape
• 21:43
  gangs in their country and who's operating.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: But isn't that crazy that in the under the guise
• 21:49
  of progressiveness.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You've enabled rape gangs. Well, 100 percent. It's crazy.
• 21:54
  But it's also incredibly. It's not shocking because the ends
• 22:02
  justify the means approach of politics seems to be what
• 22:08
  we're doing right now, whereas basically if the goal is
• 22:12
  to just eliminate. You know, whatever whatever it's being called,
• 22:19
  like this patriarchal white male dominated society. And if you
• 22:23
  want to get rid of that and that's the end goal,
• 22:27
  a lot of people ignore what happens in the middle.
• 22:31
  Like a lot of people aren't super concerned about whose
• 22:35
  rights are being respected in that process because their end
• 22:38
  goal really is to kind of decrease the power of
• 22:44
  people they disagree with. So I mean it's like– it's
• 22:51
  hard to look at this and not see a design
• 22:55
  and I don't quite know exactly where the design comes from.
• 22:59
  But it's odd that this is all happenstance because everybody
• 23:03
  knows it's happening and people are afraid to talk about it.
• 23:06
  So I would imagine that at some point– for example,
• 23:10
  like countries like Ireland right now that are having lots
• 23:13
  of issues over this. They're part of the EU. And
• 23:17
  the EU would set migration policy for Ireland. So the
• 23:21
  EU is a supranational organization that would basically say, here's
• 23:26
  how many migrants you have to admit. Here's your carbon
• 23:28
  emission standards. Here's your monetary policy, whatever it is. And
• 23:34
  Ireland is kind of in that sense, they feel like
• 23:36
  they're losing their sovereignty. They're losing their ability to chart
• 23:40
  the course of their own country to a supranational level.
• 23:45
  organization that primarily seems concerned with the economics, because if
• 23:51
  you bring in more migrants, you can artificially grow the economy,
• 23:54
  which is what they're doing. A lot of people in
• 23:57
  Europe are not having children. So a lot of these
• 23:59
  economies are run by people that are not really too
• 24:04
  concerned about the cultural landscape of bringing migrants in. They're
• 24:16
  How do we get workers? And a lot of it
• 24:17
  is you're getting third world migrants. Some of it's genuine
• 24:21
  refugees for sure. But a lot of it's economic migration.
• 24:24
  People are coming for a better life. Hard to blame them.
• 24:27
  But do the people that live in those countries get
• 24:30
  to have a better life? That's the question. If you
• 24:32
  lived in Ireland, do you get to have a better life?
• 24:36
  Do your economic prospects get to grow? Do your children
• 24:39
  get to own property? Do they get to have health
• 24:43
  insurance and a job and things like that? And no
• 24:46
  one seems that concerned about that. Like these citizens who've
• 24:50
  lived forever in these countries whose grandparents have fought and
• 24:54
  died in wars to secure the freedom of some of
• 24:57
  those countries, you know, Britain, UK, you know, things like that.
• 25:01
  Those citizens seem to not be as prioritized as people
• 25:07
  coming in from other countries. And that's one of the
• 25:10
  big problems here. that they're having there.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Well, it's really interesting to watch because if there is
• 25:17
  a plan, I mean, it's not interesting, it's kind of horrific,
• 25:20
  but it's interesting in that- It can be both.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: It can be both. Sure.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: If there is a plan, like whose plan? Whose plan
• 25:28
  and who's benefiting from this? Why would you do this?
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: I think it's a small group of people that concern
• 25:36
  themselves primarily with economic matters that don't care that nation
• 25:42
  states have cultures and histories and customs, and that doesn't really,
• 25:48
  that doesn't bother them as much. Um, and their, their basic,
• 25:55
  their basic, uh, you know, responses to just deal with
• 25:58
  it and to call everyone a racist who questions it,
• 26:01
  or to say everyone's a jingoist or ethnocentric or anti-immigrant
• 26:06
  or whatever. They shut down those conversations. And I think
• 26:10
  it's because a lot of people believe more in a
• 26:13
  global world and they don't believe in a world of
• 26:16
  nation states that have their own ability to govern themselves.
• 26:21
  They want to take that power economically from those people.
• 26:26
  And then eventually they want to take it culturally and
• 26:31
  every other way. So they just want to go around
• 26:33
  the world and say, here's the way every country will look.
• 26:36
  Here's the economic policy of every country. And if the
• 26:40
  people in those countries don't like it and they express
• 26:44
  that on social media, they're going to get kicked off.
• 26:47
  And if they organize in the streets, they're going to
• 26:49
  use military authority to fire water cannons at them or
• 26:53
  shut them down or use gas or whatever. And if
• 26:56
  there's a genuine resistance movement to some of it, they're
• 27:00
  going to infiltrate it and turn it into some psychotic thing,
• 27:04
  which they do all the time.
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: So it's hard to see it, not to sound like
• 27:09
  a paranoid nut job, but that's what I am and
• 27:11
  how I've made my living. But I think it is
• 27:15
  clearly someone's design. This isn't happenstance. None of this has
• 27:21
  to happen. We don't have to invade countries, sponsor coups,
• 27:28
  steal resources, and then– drench our communities in guilt and say,
• 27:35
  now we have to bring all those people here and
• 27:37
  you have to deal with it. None of that has
• 27:39
  to happen. That's a strategy of a group of people
• 27:44
  that want to keep perpetuating this.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Do you think it also has a one of the
• 27:48
  factors might be that they want conflict? The more conflict
• 27:52
  people have in the streets, the less they're going to
• 27:53
  pay attention to what the government's doing?
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Well, 100%. I also think the more chaos in the street,
• 27:58
  the more likely you're going to be willing to accept
• 28:00
  New laws. New laws. New surveillance. New technologies. Yeah. And
• 28:05
  you're going to just say I want peace. Yeah. And
• 28:07
  I don't care how we get it. I don't care
• 28:09
  how we achieve it.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: And I think that's very possible. But it does feel
• 28:14
  like it's on the road a little bit to where
• 28:17
  people want a uniform standard across countries. But as you've
• 28:21
  said earlier in this, it's very interesting because this uniform
• 28:25
  standard is supposed to include non-binary art students in Vermont
• 28:30
  and religious Muslims from North Africa. Yeah. Good luck. But
• 28:39
  I mean that's– But.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: It's amazing that the people that would be most opposed,
• 28:44
  the people that– like if you do bring those people in,
• 28:47
  the people they're going to hate the most are the
• 28:48
  people that want them in the most. They're the ones
• 28:51
  who are most likely to say we shouldn't have– some
• 28:55
  border that keeps some person from coming here and no
• 28:58
  person's illegal.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: And the people that want them in the most, I
• 29:01
  think are not even the people bringing them in. They're
• 29:04
  being used. They're being suicidal. Empathy. Their empathy is being weaponized.
• 29:08
  It's being used. People. Right. So people that are manufacturing
• 29:15
  this reality are using those people. These are the same
• 29:18
  people who really don't care if people in the state
• 29:21
  over have health care. Right. These are people that haven't
• 29:24
  spoken to their sister in two years. And they care
• 29:27
  a ton about people in the Ukraine or people that
• 29:30
  are coming over from Syria, whatever. But we fucked up Syria.
• 29:34
  We put that guy in who used to be in ISIS.
• 29:38
  We got rid of Gaddafi. There's slave markets in Libya.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: So we did that. We sent refugees all through Europe.
• 29:46
  We destabilized all of Europe.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: And.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: You know, you can't take us out of it. You
• 29:53
  can't take Western powers out of it. You can't take
• 29:55
  Israel out of it. You can't take the U.S. and
• 29:58
  Britain and France and a lot of other powers that
• 30:01
  have destabilized these countries and sent these people flooding through
• 30:07
  Western countries, European countries. Yeah, fun. It's going to be
• 30:13
  a fun next 50 years.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: It's kind of crazy when you see images of France.
• 30:17
  There was a video of France from 1998 from Paris
• 30:21
  versus today. They showed like 1998 and then they showed 2026.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: It's a different thing. And, you know, listen, some of
• 30:28
  that's inevitable. The world changes. Different groups of people. But
• 30:32
  then you look at in Ireland, this guy just got
• 30:34
  beheaded in the street, which I'm against and I think
• 30:39
  is wrong. And he beheaded some guy, a migrant who
• 30:43
  had been brought in, had beheaded or damn near beheaded,
• 30:47
  tried to. And there's a video of it. And now Belfast, like,
• 30:53
  you know, it's probably quieted down now, but there were
• 30:56
  like tremendous riots. They were like burning things down because
• 30:58
  they're like, we never got to vote on this. We
• 31:01
  never got to vote on bringing the people in. We
• 31:04
  never got to vote on that. No one ever asked us.
• 31:07
  how much demographic change we wanted in our country and
• 31:10
  how quickly and what we were prepared to do. No
• 31:14
  one ever asked that.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: People don't like to admit it, but an armed population,
• 31:20
  it's much more difficult to pull things off on an
• 31:23
  armed population. And that's another part of the problem with
• 31:26
  the UK and with Ireland and all these places.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: It's very difficult to have a gun. Diversity also relies
• 31:30
  on a very productive economy. So New York City- works
• 31:35
  to the degree it does because people can go out
• 31:37
  and get jobs because the economic reality of the city
• 31:42
  is that it can support a lot of people coming in.
• 31:46
  There are a lot of jobs for those people. But
• 31:49
  when you have a stagnant economy, like many parts of
• 31:52
  the UK, that's a lot harder. It's a harder sell,
• 31:56
  harder to assimilate people into a landscape where the people
• 32:00
  there are not doing well. Like the people that have
• 32:03
  lived there forever are not thriving. They don't feel great.
• 32:06
  Their prospects economically aren't great. And now you're bringing all
• 32:09
  these new people who also are struggling to find work.
• 32:13
  So that's part of the problem.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Do you think that this is being done with a
• 32:19
  strategy knowing that AI is about to completely disrupt society?
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Yes. I believe this is what I believe. I believe
• 32:31
  no one, for example, no one's trying to get anyone
• 32:33
  in this country to own a house. People pay lip
• 32:37
  service to the idea, but there's a lot of people now,
• 32:40
  a lot of them are my age, who have never
• 32:42
  owned a home and never will. And no one's trying to,
• 32:46
  no one wants them. They've forgotten what owning a home
• 32:49
  feels like. They've forgotten what it feels like to have
• 32:52
  a yard where you can invite people over and drink
• 32:54
  a glass of wine and smoke a cigar and watch
• 32:56
  a game. And they live in a little apartment. They type.
• 33:00
  They're on a MacBook. They're getting radicalized in any direction.
• 33:04
  They're upset. They're on dating apps or whatever. But they
• 33:08
  don't feel like they have a foundational core to their life.
• 33:13
  No one has really, really even given them the idea
• 33:17
  that they're going to get that. So I think that's
• 33:20
  just one of the things where people are– they're basically
• 33:23
  saying like, no, you don't need a house and you're
• 33:27
  not getting a house and forget what owning a house was.
• 33:31
  Like forget that, that doesn't matter. And I think part
• 33:34
  of this is because they know, same thing with healthcare.
• 33:37
  There's no real movement to give anyone healthcare in this country.
• 33:41
  And if it is, it gets shut down immediately. So
• 33:45
  on the positive side, you might go, well, they know
• 33:46
  that AI is coming and that AI is going to
• 33:48
  do a lot of stuff with health and it's going
• 33:51
  to help Extend life spans and– but also on the
• 33:55
  negative side, they go, it's going to disrupt the economy
• 33:58
  to a point where like we're not going to have
• 34:01
  people owning homes and cars and things like that. We're
• 34:04
  going to have a lot of people without a steady
• 34:09
  income or they don't really know what to do. We're
• 34:11
  going to have a lot of wealth that's existed, a
• 34:14
  lot of capital and we're going to have tremendous inequality.
• 34:17
  We're going to have a lot of joblessness. Right. So
• 34:21
  for sure, I think that they're they're preparing for that.
• 34:25
  I mean, there's no way you can look at the
• 34:28
  landscape because they're selling the country off for parts. And
• 34:33
  this is both parties. And this is like they're selling
• 34:35
  it off for parts. So, I mean, obviously there something's coming.
• 34:42
  Something's coming for sure. And I don't know when it is.
• 34:45
  And I'm sure the AI thing's overblown to an extent.
• 34:48
  And I think so much of our GDP depends on
• 34:50
  it that a lot of these companies are– but anthropics
• 34:54
  are creepy. These are creepy companies. I mean they're just creepy.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: Well, the amount of power that tech companies have in
• 35:04
  general is unprecedented. There's never been corporations– I mean unless
• 35:08
  you go back to like the East India Corporation– You
• 35:12
  go back in the day where they had like an
• 35:14
  enormous army.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Right. Totally.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: And they took over India and Pakistan. But if you
• 35:20
  look at what they're doing, it's very different than that.
• 35:25
  Other than the army part, what they have is robot armies.
• 35:28
  And then they have AI, which Elon just recently said
• 35:31
  is going to be like a million times smarter than
• 35:33
  the smartest human that's ever lived.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Like this is the goal. The goal is to create
• 35:38
  literally a digital god. And it's going to be controlled
• 35:43
  by not us, not the collective human race. It's going
• 35:47
  to be controlled by a select few group of people.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: And that's weird. And we're just trusting them. Well, that's
• 35:53
  why you're not getting a vote on immigration levels. You're
• 35:55
  not going to get a vote on– I think the
• 36:00
  reality is that eventually they're going to go, do you
• 36:03
  want safe streets? Do you want food? Do you want
• 36:05
  a little bit of money? You got to do X, Y,
• 36:07
  and Z. You got to believe X, Y, and Z.
• 36:09
  And I mean that seems to be coming.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: And it seems like if you put people in a
• 36:13
  corner and you get them scared, they'll– this is what
• 36:16
  we learned during COVID. Like they will back down. They'll–
• 36:19
  They'll go along with a lot of stupid shit.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: They'll go to– they'll try to find comfort and they
• 36:27
  will listen to people that they deem to be worthy.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: They'll trust the government, which is wild. The left is
• 36:36
  the people that trust the government.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Well, you have all these studies that come out. This
• 36:40
  is the thing that I like. I love London and
• 36:42
  the people there are great and they're fun people and
• 36:44
  everything like that. But they have a– because they get healthcare.
• 36:48
  They get a little more from their government than we do.
• 36:50
  There's more trust in their government than we have in
• 36:52
  our government. And there's positives to that and there's negatives.
• 36:55
  But they're a society of rules and customs and order.
• 37:00
  And it is a bit different. So I think they
• 37:02
  are more likely to go along with the grand plan
• 37:07
  of the government more so than the United States where
• 37:10
  we really do question– more what's happening than people in
• 37:17
  Europe or the UK overall.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that makes sense, right? They have socialized health care.
• 37:24
  Isn't their education paid for completely?
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they have good stuff. They have a good life.
• 37:29
  There's benefits to that. Totally.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: There's like a balance to be achieved. I've always said
• 37:33
  that like in this country, it's foolish that we don't
• 37:35
  have– that we don't pay for higher education. Like the
• 37:38
  more educated people, the better. Like the less losers, the better.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Part of our country is– You know, we manufacture a
• 37:47
  lot of geniuses. We also manufacture a lot of psychopaths.
• 37:51
  That's what our culture does. A lot of sociopaths. A
• 37:53
  lot of sociopaths. A lot of people that don't give
• 37:55
  a fuck about anything but success. A lot of people
• 37:57
  that don't care about anything.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: And that's the thing that comes along with the gluttony too, right?
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: It's celebrated.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: And they don't even realize that that outward gluttony, it
• 38:05
  just inspires all these eat the rich people.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: The whole thing is out of balance. That's what I
• 38:10
  would describe America if you had to describe it in
• 38:12
  three words. It's just out of balance. It's out of balance.
• 38:16
  It's hard because we've got 350 million people. It's hard
• 38:19
  to– and it's like what do the people in Menlo
• 38:23
  Park have to do with the people in Baton Rouge
• 38:26
  have to do with the people in Canarsie? I get it.
• 38:28
  It's a weird place. You have all these different climates, habitats.
• 38:32
  People have different interests. But I think AI might unite
• 38:35
  people because, like, the idea of this as such a
• 38:38
  powerful force, if people don't start getting cognizant of it
• 38:42
  eventually and start, you know, talking about regulating it or anything,
• 38:47
  you know, I do think it is going to be,
• 38:49
  you know, a very strange time if people, you know,
• 38:56
  just ignore it forever. It's going to do something weird.
• 38:59
  I'll tell you that.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: It's not going to be– like– Whatever is coming over
• 39:02
  the next 20 years, no one is predicting it.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: I get the feeling when you see a lot of
• 39:06
  these tech guys start adopting Christianity.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: How about Peter Thiel's like that whole Antichrist thing?
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he does that whole thing. What is he doing?
• 39:15
  He gave a fucking lecture on the Antichrist? He gives
• 39:17
  a bunch of lectures on the Antichrist. He's fascinated with it.
• 39:20
  And a lot of those guys are moving into this
• 39:24
  interesting area of this is this is God wants this.
• 39:31
  Like J.D. Vance, who's not the worst person, obviously, and
• 39:34
  I think he's the sanest voice in that administration about
• 39:37
  the Iran war. For sure. I think he's by far
• 39:41
  one of the only people in there going, let's calm
• 39:44
  it down, which is why. A lot of the big
• 39:46
  donors are slinging mud at him, you know? But again,
• 39:51
  it's just he just released a book about faith and
• 39:54
  reconnecting with his faith. I'm sure it's a lovely book.
• 39:56
  Haven't read it. Fun beach read. J.D. Vance is reconnecting
• 39:59
  with his faith. Great. Inspiring. Amazing. We'll get to it.
• 40:05
  Haven't read it. We'll get to it. Top tier. But,
• 40:10
  you know, it's also interesting because like some of his
• 40:12
  donors are huge tech guys. And it's all of these
• 40:16
  worlds existing together where you have this world of people
• 40:20
  who are trying to build a god and the world
• 40:23
  of people who already believe in a god and trying
• 40:27
  to get all of those people in the same tent.
• 40:30
  That's interesting.
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: It is.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: You know? Imagine if that's where God comes from.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: If this is a natural process for human beings and
• 40:39
  their curiosity and insatiable need for technological innovation.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: But then what happens once we get God? Let's say
• 40:45
  we bring this God in. Then what happens? Nirvana. Nirvana? Yeah.
• 40:50
  We all merge. It becomes perfect. Interesting. So we all
• 40:55
  merge and that's perfect? It's fine. Don't worry about it.
• 40:58
  We're all going to merge with the machine. Interesting. Because
• 41:05
  people do believe that.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: At one point in time, cavemen had to be looking
• 41:09
  at the wheel going, man, I see where this is
• 41:11
  going to go.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: Right. This is going to fuck my whole gig up.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: Totally.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: My whole gig is making weapons out of stone and
• 41:18
  tying them to a stick with tendons.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: And then chasing an animal and sparing them. And now
• 41:23
  these motherfuckers invented guns.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: And these motherfuckers invented arrows.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: With every progression of technology.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Bow and arrows technology changed everything. Horse riding, figuring out
• 41:34
  how to ride a horse. Well, that's like a new innovation.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: Right. Ride a horse now.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: Now you can move a lot faster. You can get
• 41:39
  a lot of things done. Some guy figured out a wheel.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: Drag the wheel, put a cart on it. Now we
• 41:43
  can carry stuff with us.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: More than the stuff that you could put on a horse.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Right. Get a couple of horses. They pull a wagon. Oh, great.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Hey, this guy figured out a fucking engine. We don't
• 41:51
  need horses anymore. Right.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: Let's make the whole ground everywhere hard so we could
• 41:56
  roll around with these machines with internal combustion engines. And
• 42:00
  then it just keeps going and keeps going and keeps
• 42:02
  going and keeps going. And then one day it's unrecognizable
• 42:05
  just like it is now. If you showed Australopithecus Manhattan
• 42:10
  in 2026, they'd be like– they would freak out. They'd
• 42:13
  probably start screaming. They wouldn't know what to do. They
• 42:15
  would be horrified.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: But do you think like if we showed– Peter Thiel 2050,
• 42:20
  he'd go, no, that's it. Like, that's what I want. Like,
• 42:24
  whatever 20, like, do you think the guys now have
• 42:26
  a real idea of what it's going to be?
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: No.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of guesswork. I don't think
• 42:31
  it's possible. I don't think it's possible to know what
• 42:33
  these things are going to do when they become sentient.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's possible.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: If Elon is correct, if Elon's correct and there's something
• 42:40
  that's a million times smarter than human beings, and somehow
• 42:43
  or another is, why would we let people govern Why
• 42:47
  would we let people build that stupid fucking rail station
• 42:51
  in California that's cost how much money and it's produced what?
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: How much track is done? Why would they let people
• 42:58
  do that when you could have AI do that? But
• 43:00
  if something's a billion times smarter than human beings, it's
• 43:02
  going to go, we're not building a rail station for
• 43:04
  these fat fucks. You know, I mean, seriously, it's going
• 43:08
  to go, why would we build a rail station for
• 43:10
  these people so they can get drunk and go fight
• 43:12
  each other? How about we get rid of them?
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: Well, maybe it's– we don't even need to do that
• 43:17
  because we can make you travel instantaneously from here to there.
• 43:20
  We create little mini wormholes all over the country. You
• 43:23
  don't need a car anymore. You just press a button
• 43:25
  and all of a sudden you're at Starbucks. We'll do
• 43:28
  something very strange.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: I just look at technology and I go it's made
• 43:32
  the world better in many ways. But in a lot
• 43:33
  of ways, it hasn't. And it did stop around 2014, 2015.
• 43:38
  A lot of the new things started that came in
• 43:40
  made the world to me– very impersonal, corporate, sterile, and cold. Yeah.
• 43:46
  And the experiences that you get now, like, you know,
• 43:50
  there was like, if you, you know, I went with
• 43:53
  a friend of mine, we were in a McDonald's and
• 43:55
  like you order on a touchscreen, there's nobody there. There's
• 43:57
  some nine-year-old kid going, hey, I ordered a McFlurry, some
• 43:59
  woman screaming at him. Where's the receipt? What's the receipt?
• 44:01
  He's like, nine. He's like, what? There's a weirdness when
• 44:04
  you take people out of everything.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: You take people out of everything and then you don't also,
• 44:08
  they have no purpose.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Especially when you consider the high number of unemployed people
• 44:13
  and checked out people. And then people that have whatever
• 44:16
  their job is has nothing to do with what they enjoy.
• 44:19
  So if they just do the job and then afterwards
• 44:21
  they're just watching television all day, that's a lot of people.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: They're just watching their phone. Yeah, totally.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Playing video games. There's a lot of people that don't
• 44:28
  have any purpose. Right. They don't have a feeling of purpose.
• 44:31
  They don't have a thing that they're connected to.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: But some experiences are much worse now than they were
• 44:38
  before they were digitized. Like I do think there was
• 44:42
  just pressing a button and getting something on Amazon is
• 44:45
  much easier. But there was something nice about going out
• 44:48
  in December during the Christmas season and like going to
• 44:53
  different places and seeing people and like the struggle of
• 44:56
  like getting the thing you want. There was something– I
• 44:58
  bet you were expending energy. You're walking around. You get
• 45:01
  a cup of coffee. You see people. If we destroy
• 45:04
  all of that, what happens to the human psyche? That's
• 45:08
  my question.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Well, if we had an anxiety meter, if we could
• 45:11
  see like anxiety, like levels of measurable anxiety over time,
• 45:16
  I guarantee you from like whatever the age of the
• 45:21
  internet kicked in. So it's like what, 94 or something
• 45:24
  like that. I think it probably slowly ramped up until
• 45:28
  social media came up and then it's probably significantly higher
• 45:31
  than it's ever been before without real threats.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: Totally.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Like just regular anxiety from reading things on your phone
• 45:39
  and interacting with things online.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Well, people are very attached to this idea that they
• 45:48
  have to weigh in on everything, that they have to
• 45:51
  have a fully formed opinion on everything. Yeah. the horrors
• 45:55
  of the world are on full display in front of
• 45:57
  them all the time. Yeah. And they need to then
• 46:00
  not only view them, which is scarring in and of itself,
• 46:03
  but then they need to contextualize them in a way
• 46:05
  that makes sense. Yeah. Which I think is also another
• 46:08
  level of stress. Am I a good person? Am I,
• 46:12
  do I have the right thoughts about this thing? Am
• 46:14
  I being, you know, so that to me is also
• 46:18
  another level of stress where like you would have never
• 46:20
  had to, there were people when I grew up, That
• 46:24
  just were really good at one thing. And they didn't
• 46:28
  need to have an opinion on something that was happening
• 46:33
  a world away because they didn't have the knowledge. And
• 46:35
  they weren't forced into expressing that opinion. They weren't forced
• 46:37
  into expressing that opinion. Yeah. And they were able to
• 46:40
  live in a much simpler way, in a much happier way,
• 46:43
  with real genuine connections to people. And I think the
• 46:47
  fact that nobody feels like they're able to do that now,
• 46:49
  like the generation that's coming up, You know, the younger people,
• 46:54
  they seem better off, like the Zoomers or whatever they are.
• 46:56
  They seem to be a little, they have a little
• 46:59
  dose of nihilism, but I think it's appropriate. They're a little,
• 47:02
  you know, they have a good sense of humor. They're skeptical.
• 47:05
  They're a little cynical. They've seen all of these institutions,
• 47:10
  you know, churn out a lot of garbage. And I
• 47:13
  think they're into, you know, some of the crypto stuff.
• 47:17
  They're into, like, They're self-starters. They're not institutionalists. Everyone I
• 47:23
  grew up with and the generation directly under me, they're
• 47:26
  all institutionalists. They believe very strongly that knowledge is given
• 47:32
  through an approved– whether you're at NYU or whether it's
• 47:36
  the State Department or whether it's a board or whether
• 47:41
  it's a nonprofit that commissioned a study that proved a thing.
• 47:46
  A lot of these kids– do not think for themselves.
• 47:49
  And they're not kids. They're in their 30s, by the way.
• 47:51
  And they're in their 30s or 40s. They don't think
• 47:54
  for themselves. They've been taught that thinking for themselves is bad.
• 47:58
  It's racist. Or it can lead you down a road
• 48:02
  that you don't want to go on. It's, you know, whatever.
• 48:04
  It's misogynist. It's homophobic. Like, whatever questions you're asking, like,
• 48:10
  why do the Padres have to wear gay uniforms? Like,
• 48:13
  that doesn't make any sense to me. Like as a
• 48:16
  gay person, I never said why I need the Padres
• 48:19
  to be gay. Why are the Padres gay?
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: What does the Padres uniform look like?
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: They're making them wear like gay things on the uniform.
• 48:26
  Like pride stuff? It's like pride stuff. I don't think
• 48:28
  it's like a dildo on their head, but I think
• 48:30
  it's like pride stuff. What happens when they play in Dearborn?
• 48:33
  It's not going to go well, but it's like why
• 48:35
  is Citibank gay? Why is Chase gay? What is it–
• 48:41
  Why does this help anyone that a corporation is trans?
• 48:46
  Why is Chobani yogurt trans? What's the point of this?
• 48:52
  I don't understand. Does this get people health care? Does
• 48:54
  this make people happy? Does this satisfy? It makes some
• 48:58
  people happy. It makes some people happy that I worry
• 49:01
  about because I just don't understand. And it makes more
• 49:04
  people angry. And that's why gay marriages lost 11 points
• 49:07
  in support. More people are annoyed. They're like, we're all
• 49:10
  cool with however people want to live their lives. Most
• 49:13
  people are. But they're like, why is my bank gay?
• 49:20
  When did my bank come out as gay? Like I'm
• 49:25
  okay with it, but could somebody have told me like,
• 49:28
  what are we doing? I don't, this doesn't make anybody's
• 49:32
  life better. It is the, it is just virtue signaling
• 49:36
  horseshit that ends up doing the exact opposite of what
• 49:40
  they want. They think it increases acceptance. It decreases it
• 49:45
  because you're shoving a worldview down someone's throat. And at
• 49:52
  the end of the day, it's like, If I went
• 49:55
  to a restaurant, for example, I have no problem with
• 50:00
  Scientology on record. By the way, I like it. I
• 50:05
  like cults. I like cults. Children have too many rights.
• 50:08
  Put them on that boat. Whatever you do, see org,
• 50:10
  make them work. Don't rape them, but make them swap
• 50:13
  the deck, whatever they do on that boat. And I
• 50:16
  don't have a problem with Scientology. And I don't like
• 50:18
  the people who leave Scientology and then rat on it
• 50:20
  after it got them all these movie parts. I think
• 50:21
  that's fucked up, too. I think it's fucked up. I
• 50:23
  think they're rats. And I know you've had some of
• 50:25
  them on. Sorry. But I think they're rats. If you
• 50:29
  do something for 30 goddamn years and get rich and famous,
• 50:32
  shut your mouth. Have the dignity to go to your
• 50:35
  house and shut your mouth about it. Don't then try
• 50:38
  to go on. Your new era is that you're going
• 50:41
  to dime on everybody in this thing that made you rich. Anyway.
• 50:46
  But if I went, that's just an aside. That's just
• 50:49
  an aside. It's truly. But that's the way I feel.
• 50:52
  Shout out to Tom Cruise.
• 50:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: Hangs in there.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: Hangs in. Can you imagine how gross that would be?
• 50:58
  In there. How disgusting would it be if Tom Cruise
• 51:00
  went out and he's like, you know, Scientology is really abused.
• 51:02
  Shut the fuck up your Top Gun.
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: You were top gun. This worked. Whether you're gay or not,
• 51:09
  they covered it up. They covered it up. You said
• 51:12
  you did something wrong. They said, we'll audit you. We'll
• 51:15
  put you in the box. You're fine. Give us some money.
• 51:18
  Live on this mansion. It's all fine. But if I
• 51:22
  went to my bank and it was just all Scientology
• 51:26
  for the month of June, I would go, this is
• 51:29
  a lot. Do you know what I mean? So to me,
• 51:33
  I think it's like, This weird aesthetic politics that people
• 51:36
  have where they just they need to pin ribbons on
• 51:40
  themselves and go, I'm a good person. I have no
• 51:42
  problem with the polyamorous orgy happening at Chase or whatever.
• 51:48
  Just shut up. This whole country right now is being
• 51:51
  torn apart by people who need to feel like they're
• 51:55
  good people and they need to project their life onto
• 51:58
  other people just to just live in that life. People
• 52:01
  disagree with you. I have good friends I disagree with,
• 52:05
  like on fundamental things, foundational things. And I don't care.
• 52:10
  I don't care because I think they're funny. I think
• 52:14
  their lives are funny. They're bad people. Many of my
• 52:18
  friends are not good people. I wouldn't even introduce them
• 52:22
  to other people I cared about. But they entertain me.
• 52:26
  And that used to be okay. I used to be
• 52:27
  able to go, I like that guy. He's entertaining. People go,
• 52:30
  he's crazy. He was in jail. You go, eh. You
• 52:33
  always minimize. You minimize that. You go, sure he was. Maybe.
• 52:38
  I don't know what happened between him and her. Someone
• 52:41
  fell down the stairs. He's fun sometimes. And you should
• 52:45
  be able to do that. Not everyone's going to agree
• 52:48
  with you. Not everyone's going to agree with you. It's okay.
• 52:51
  Life is too short.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: No, you want that. You don't want everybody to agree
• 52:54
  with you.
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: No.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: You want to live in a world of texture.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: You want to live in a world– you want to
• 53:01
  have the Joey Diaz's of the world.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Totally. You want to have some wild people out there.
• 53:05
  They're fun. The problem with the generation under me is
• 53:07
  they're all very like this and they all went to
• 53:09
  the same liberal arts schools that have taught them like
• 53:13
  this orderly way of processing information and they're all afraid
• 53:18
  to like– they like say things. They say them and
• 53:20
  it very– well– Well, the rape gang, they're gangs that
• 53:27
  are raping. Well, that's bad. But there's a lot of–
• 53:31
  I don't know what's been proven and there's a lot
• 53:33
  of racism. Like they just always– they're so afraid of
• 53:38
  having an independent thought because they've been programmed their entire lives.
• 53:42
  They don't realize it. They've been programmed their entire lives
• 53:45
  to believe a certain set of things and their self-worth
• 53:49
  depends on those things mattering. Yeah. The school you went to.
• 53:52
  the internship you got, the corporation whose dick you have
• 53:55
  to suck sometimes literally to stay in it. That is
• 53:59
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• 55:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: And it's very confusing for young people. You know, because
• 55:06
  the whole thing acts like a religion. It acts like
• 55:09
  a cult. And you have to kind of go along
• 55:11
  with every aspect of it or you'll be excommunicated.
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: You'll be kicked out just like you get kicked out
• 55:16
  of Scientology.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: You get kicked out. And if your life is– and
• 55:19
  it's sterile and it's corporate and it's boring. And that
• 55:24
  to me is one of my biggest problems with a
• 55:26
  lot of people that I speak to is that they
• 55:29
  seem genuinely afraid to– use their mind for more than,
• 55:38
  you know, what the allotted functions are.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: You mean afraid to express themselves?
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. They're afraid to even entertain thoughts in their
• 55:45
  own head. They want to avoid the punishment. Yeah.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: You know, it's a scary punishment. Have you seen this
• 55:52
  new Army Hammer movie that is out now?
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: No, but... Some vigilante movie? He's great. Fan of him.
• 56:01
  Big fan of him. Think he's great. Love everything he's doing.
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: And.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: I like it. I like you can't get canceled. People
• 56:08
  come right back.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if he's necessarily coming back. I mean,
• 56:12
  this movie is going to bring him back, I should say.
• 56:14
  I mean, what did he say? I mean, he said
• 56:17
  he wanted to eat girls. He was texting me.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: He wanted to eat a couple of people. You know,
• 56:24
  is that a problem? But is it real? Is it
• 56:26
  just crazy talk? Even if it was, even if it was,
• 56:30
  is it consensual or not? I mean, is it just
• 56:32
  saying wild things? Like, what is it? What is it?
• 56:37
  His fantasy was that he wanted to be a cannibal.
• 56:40
  That was his fantasy. That was his kink. Now, it
• 56:44
  was fake, but if he was in a situation where
• 56:47
  it could have been real, yeah, he would have tried
• 56:48
  a heart. If Army Hammer had the money to arrange this,
• 56:57
  and some people in our country do, if he had
• 57:00
  the money to arrange it, he's trying a heart. 1,000%.
• 57:03
  And by the way.
• 57:06
  Doesn't make me hate him. Doesn't make me hit him.
• 57:08
  As long as a person was dead already. I'm against it.
• 57:11
  I would never do it. But if you told me
• 57:14
  this is how open I am to different people. If
• 57:17
  you told me Army Hammer, there was somebody died and
• 57:21
  there was a heart and Army Hammer tried a little
• 57:23
  bit of the heart. I'd go, hey, fine. Live and
• 57:26
  let live. Do you know the story of General Buck Naked?
• 57:29
  Speaker 7: No.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: General Buck Naked is a guy in Liberia. So Liberia
• 57:35
  is a part of Africa.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: I don't want to fuck this up.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: So let's be– let's check on this. I think what
• 57:40
  happened in Liberia is they released a bunch of slaves
• 57:46
  from the United States and sent them to Liberia like
• 57:49
  after slavery was abolished.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: And I think Liberia has had a series of civil wars,
• 57:56
  like really crazy, brutal ones. And in one of them,
• 58:00
  there's this guy named General Butt Naked. And Vice covered
• 58:03
  this guy. They interviewed him. And essentially now he's a priest.
• 58:07
  He's a preacher. And he gave his love to Jesus
• 58:10
  Christ and now he's saved. But back then he would
• 58:14
  talk about how he would go into war completely naked
• 58:18
  and then they would kidnap children of the opposing army
• 58:21
  and cut their heart out and eat it for protection.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: That's certainly an extreme way to do it. So he
• 58:28
  did that. Yeah. But then he found Jesus. So it's okay. Well,
• 58:32
  it is certainly better. And that's– wouldn't the Mayans kind
• 58:37
  of do that or was that human sacrifice?
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: They did a lot of human sacrifice along with the Aztecs.
• 58:42
  What happened with Liberia? Is that an accurate depiction? I
• 58:45
  don't want to fuck this up. So Liberia was established
• 58:50
  in 1822 by the American– colonization society as a refuge
• 58:56
  for formerly enslaved and freeborn black Africans to relocate to Africa.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there it is.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: Over several decades, roughly roughly 16000 freed slaves known as
• 59:06
  Americo Liberians migrated there. While envisioned as a sanctuary, the
• 59:11
  nation later faced its own internal scandals regarding forced labor
• 59:15
  and human exploitation.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Interesting. Uh huh.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: See if you can find that general butt naked guy, though.
• 59:23
  This this guy, this whole story is fucking crazy.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: Is this it? Okay. Jeez. Yeah.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: Formed his own militia of several dozen fighters known as
• 59:34
  the Naked Base Commandos or Butt Naked Brigade, most of
• 59:38
  whom were children as young as nine operating under the
• 59:42
  Monrovia area with his unit.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: How do you say his name? Blahi? Blahi?
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure how to say his name. Became known
• 59:51
  as wearing only shoes and magic charms. and eventually adopted
• 59:55
  the nom de guerre, general butt naked. His fighters followed
• 59:58
  his patterns of dress, which, in line with his distorted
• 1:00:02
  emulation of animist tradition, believed he could make one immune
• 1:00:09
  to bullets. To fund his wartime activities and secure a
• 1:00:13
  steady supply of drugs for his fighters, Balahi allegedly traded
• 1:00:17
  locally mined diamonds and gold to Mexican drug cartels in
• 1:00:21
  exchange for guns and cocaine.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: Let's fucking go.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: He conscripted many of his fighters and according to some accounts,
• 1:00:26
  laced the food he fed them with cocaine along with
• 1:00:30
  showing them Jean-Claude Van Damme films and to explaining to
• 1:00:36
  them that killing people was a game in an effort
• 1:00:39
  to uproot the fear of death.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: His fighters, he and his.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: Fighters perpetrated numerous atrocities, although the exact extent of the
• 1:00:48
  crimes they committed have been subject to dispute. Frequently discussed
• 1:00:52
  the alleged atrocities he perpetrated, which according to Balahi, including murders, cannibalism,
• 1:00:57
  and human sacrifice. He has repeatedly estimated that the naked
• 1:01:01
  base commandos were ultimately responsible for 20,000 deaths.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: A claim which has come under criticism. Okay. Yeah. And
• 1:01:10
  he's alive now and he's religious. He's a preacher now.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: Have him on. And I bet he's a lovely person.
• 1:01:16
  That's the thing. You should have him on. By the way,
• 1:01:19
  he has an open invitation. He's got Jesus on his shirt.
• 1:01:24
  He's led a full life, and there's something about someone
• 1:01:26
  who has led a full life. This man has led
• 1:01:30
  a full life. There he is. He looks like Beetlejuice
• 1:01:33
  from Hell in a Star. General Butt Naked. Wow. Crazy.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: Imagine seeing a dude naked with his dong flopping, running
• 1:01:44
  at you with an AK-47 with kid's blood all over
• 1:01:46
  his face.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's disturbing, but I imagine that there are
• 1:01:52
  very rich people in our country seeing that and paying
• 1:01:54
  good money to see it. One of the things that
• 1:01:56
  we were talking about.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: Before the show started, we were out in the hallway,
• 1:02:01
  we were talking about how there's a giant chunk of
• 1:02:04
  the world that's fucked. And what's coming into England, it's
• 1:02:08
  not like It's not unusual for other parts of the world.
• 1:02:12
  You know, if you go to Karachi, that's what life
• 1:02:15
  is chaos.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: Like just chaos is making its way into these protected bubbles.
• 1:02:20
  And that's what's freaking people out.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: We live in a very privileged, even the poorest and
• 1:02:24
  the worst, which is obviously, you know, it's not to
• 1:02:28
  minimize their struggles. But if you go to any of
• 1:02:32
  those third world countries, you're very aware of how privileged
• 1:02:37
  you are to live in a Western country. country. And,
• 1:02:42
  you know, it also makes a lot of sense why
• 1:02:43
  the people in those third world countries would want to
• 1:02:46
  leave them and go to other places for opportunity. And
• 1:02:49
  I think immigration's had a lot of positive impacts on
• 1:02:53
  America and it's had a lot of positive impacts on
• 1:02:55
  Britain and other countries. And it's not, it's not the
• 1:02:58
  idea that immigration is all bad or all good. It's
• 1:03:01
  the idea that like you have to do things a
• 1:03:04
  certain way because, you know, societies are fragile. This is
• 1:03:08
  what we're learning. We're learning that societies are more fragile.
• 1:03:11
  When I grew up, that wasn't a common thought that
• 1:03:15
  our society was very fragile.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: We thought it was very strong.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: We actually thought nothing could break us. And then you
• 1:03:22
  look at a couple of years of a pandemic and
• 1:03:25
  most of the downtowns of the American cities don't look
• 1:03:27
  the same. Commerce has changed in a dramatic way. The
• 1:03:31
  Iran war proved that, you know, militarily our military is
• 1:03:34
  obviously brave men and women. They're amazing. But like, The
• 1:03:37
  changing nature of warfare has made military campaigns very difficult.
• 1:03:42
  It's hard to look at this Iran war as a victory.
• 1:03:44
  It's almost impossible unless you're completely dishonest. I don't think
• 1:03:47
  anyone is looking at it as a victory. So I
• 1:03:51
  think our vulnerability to threats foreign and domestic, we are
• 1:03:57
  more aware of that now than we have ever been,
• 1:03:59
  how fragile societies are. So when you demographically change a
• 1:04:02
  society very quickly, which has never happened historically, it took
• 1:04:06
  wars– long periods of immigration. Now it's overnight. People have
• 1:04:12
  to adjust to a new cultural and sometimes economic reality.
• 1:04:17
  That's a very disruptive thing. And societies are very fragile.
• 1:04:20
  And you've got to be very careful about how you
• 1:04:24
  alter and change a society because if you do it
• 1:04:26
  too quickly, there's a tremendous backlash. And you have to
• 1:04:30
  make sure that people want it changed, that people are
• 1:04:35
  on board with it. Not everyone. No one's on board
• 1:04:39
  with everything. But like if you went to a lot
• 1:04:43
  of people in these countries that live in the bigger cities,
• 1:04:45
  they would probably be very pro immigration and because immigration
• 1:04:50
  has a lot of clear benefits to them. They get
• 1:04:53
  food delivered all the time. They have access to a
• 1:04:59
  wide variety of goods and services that immigrants bring. A
• 1:05:02
  lot of them are awesome, a lot of great food.
• 1:05:04
  So obviously– but again, if you went out into the
• 1:05:07
  suburbs and you went out into areas where the economies
• 1:05:10
  have stagnated, areas where maybe you've had scandals like this,
• 1:05:13
  grooming scandal and things like that, Sweden– whose crime rate
• 1:05:18
  is skyrocketed because you've brought in a lot of people
• 1:05:21
  from other places that are selling drugs and not all
• 1:05:23
  of them, obviously. But like, if you look at that
• 1:05:27
  and those people have a much more negative view of
• 1:05:30
  it because they don't connect the benefits of it because
• 1:05:35
  they don't, they don't feel them in their life. Right.
• 1:05:37
  They were living pretty sweet. They were living good. They
• 1:05:40
  were living pretty sweet. They were riding their fucking bicycles
• 1:05:42
  and eating herring. Pretty safe out there. Pretty safe and
• 1:05:45
  doing what they wanted to do. And then, you know,
• 1:05:48
  you have this influx of people. You now have real poverty.
• 1:05:53
  You now have a lot of people. You also brought
• 1:05:55
  in people that came from a war-torn part of the world.
• 1:05:57
  A war-torn country. Yeah. And not everyone's going to be
• 1:06:00
  general butt naked who becomes a Christian pastor and is
• 1:06:04
  probably lovely now. You've probably seen him in HEB. You're like, sweetheart.
• 1:06:11
  Ate a few people, children maybe, but now it's better.
• 1:06:16
  That guy, not everyone is going to convert. Not everyone
• 1:06:18
  is going to be– you're going to bring people in
• 1:06:20
  that are– people are products to an extent of their environment.
• 1:06:24
  Like we all are. So the idea that like– women
• 1:06:28
  have less rights in these countries. So the courtship rituals
• 1:06:33
  in these countries are different. The familial relations are different.
• 1:06:39
  That's just the way it is. So and a lot
• 1:06:43
  of people there like that. So, you know, why would
• 1:06:50
  why would those beliefs in systems of change just because
• 1:06:55
  you happen to be living in Ireland? Right. Why would
• 1:06:59
  you think Irish women or British women would necessarily or
• 1:07:02
  inherently get more respect than your wife's daughters, sisters, whatever?
• 1:07:07
  And I'm not saying that it's all like throughout the
• 1:07:09
  entire Islamic world. I think there's a lot of diversity
• 1:07:11
  in the Muslim world. And there are lots of countries
• 1:07:13
  where there's arguments that women are safer than they are
• 1:07:16
  in America. But there's a lot of countries where that's
• 1:07:19
  not the case. And women have far fewer rights. And
• 1:07:22
  it's pretty barbaric. And I don't know why those attitudes
• 1:07:26
  would change when they are just in a different physical location.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: The spectacular bizarreness of it is that the really kind
• 1:07:37
  left-wing people who oppose toxic masculinity.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: Oppose this sort of society that we're talking about, this
• 1:07:49
  male-dominated society. Like you're inviting in something that literally has
• 1:07:55
  that as its doctrine.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: Well, they think it can be tamed. So here's the
• 1:07:59
  thing with those people. They love a challenge. This is
• 1:08:02
  the I can fix him version of it. And to
• 1:08:05
  an extent, cultural attitudes do change over time. People do
• 1:08:09
  assimilate to certain practices. That's not a completely ridiculous thing
• 1:08:13
  to think. But they really believe that once all of
• 1:08:16
  these people come to these countries and see how great
• 1:08:19
  it is to be a childless 40 year old woman
• 1:08:22
  working in data entry at a large faceless corporation that's
• 1:08:25
  gay on Pride Month. The corporation goes gay and when
• 1:08:29
  they see how happy she or he or they is
• 1:08:34
  living in a society where you don't own anything. You
• 1:08:36
  know what's interesting about family? I just spoke to a
• 1:08:39
  comedian who went on a world tour and he was
• 1:08:41
  in India and he was talking about how poor people
• 1:08:44
  in India don't live on the street. They live in slums,
• 1:08:46
  which it's better. It's better to live in slums than
• 1:08:50
  the street because a lot of poor people are with
• 1:08:53
  their families and they won't cast– their family out. Family
• 1:09:00
  in America almost means like nothing. Like we've we've kind
• 1:09:03
  of we've everything's such an individual pursuit that family means nothing.
• 1:09:10
  And like that's reinforced. Like I am in an argument
• 1:09:15
  with my father. His wife has different political views on
• 1:09:18
  certain things. So we haven't spoken in a little bit.
• 1:09:22
  My cousin's getting married. And I told– I have a
• 1:09:25
  therapist now that I've had for six months who– I
• 1:09:28
  don't know if it's good– I don't know if you
• 1:09:29
  ever know if a therapist is good or not. And
• 1:09:31
  I told my therapist, you know, my dad and his
• 1:09:35
  wife are going to be there and I haven't spoken
• 1:09:36
  to them. But I love my cousin and I want
• 1:09:37
  to support her marriage. I want to go. And my
• 1:09:39
  therapist goes, well, you don't have to go. So– My
• 1:09:46
  therapist goes, if you feel like it's going to make
• 1:09:49
  you happy, go. So therapy in our country has become
• 1:09:54
  a way to kind of enable like sick people to
• 1:09:57
  just become selfish psychopaths. And family in America means almost nothing.
• 1:10:03
  And it is reinforced how little family means because– Like
• 1:10:09
  doctors will tell you, yeah, fuck it. It's your father
• 1:10:11
  who cares. So it's, it's basically a thing where like,
• 1:10:16
  I think when you go to these other countries and
• 1:10:18
  you realize how deeply rooted a lot of things are
• 1:10:20
  in family and culture and tradition. And then we come
• 1:10:24
  from a country where like almost very little is, I'm
• 1:10:26
  not saying people don't have great families here, but like,
• 1:10:30
  you know, America is about you. And it's not about–
• 1:10:33
  if you don't agree with your sister, fuck her. If
• 1:10:36
  your mother disagrees with you, block her. That's our country.
• 1:10:40
  And in other countries, that's unheard of. Like that's unheard of.
• 1:10:44
  Like it doesn't happen. And the comedian was explaining to
• 1:10:49
  me like in India, there's like a lot less of
• 1:10:52
  a drug problem in certain areas and he was wondering why.
• 1:10:55
  And he goes, well, people don't want to do drugs
• 1:10:57
  to like disgrace their family, even poor people. Even poor
• 1:11:00
  people will be like, I don't want to be a
• 1:11:01
  drug addict because my family is going to think bad
• 1:11:03
  about that. Whereas here, there's people that will shoot up
• 1:11:08
  in front of their parents. You know what I mean?
• 1:11:12
  So it's just a different– culturally we've gotten to this
• 1:11:16
  point where people are having less children. Family means very little.
• 1:11:20
  So then what has replaced that? It's clearly the state
• 1:11:23
  and corporations. And ideology. And ideology. So they've replaced families
• 1:11:27
  and communities.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: Well, the ideology is your community because you're online most
• 1:11:31
  of the time.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: And a giant percentage of the interactions you have with
• 1:11:35
  people is on social media.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: So I think that like that world, we have a
• 1:11:42
  pretty secular world. What is that? That is so interesting. CBD. Interesting. Yeah. Interesting.
• 1:11:53
  I thought it was something that... No, it's a CBD vape.
• 1:11:55
  I thought it was somebody gave you something that's like
• 1:11:57
  you're about to transcend or something. Oh, no. I thought
• 1:12:00
  you were like, it's DMT. Imagine. I'm bored with you.
• 1:12:02
  I'm going somewhere else for a few minutes. What's the
• 1:12:05
  last time you've done DMT? It's been a while. Interesting.
• 1:12:08
  Should I do it? Have you ever thought about it?
• 1:12:09
  Should we all do it? Yeah. I'm going to have
• 1:12:11
  a cigarette. Are you thinking about it? I'm thinking about
• 1:12:13
  maybe doing it. A lot of people have asked me
• 1:12:15
  about it recently. That spirit molecule thing years ago was
• 1:12:20
  an awesome documentary. You know this Andrew Gallimore guy?
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: Do you know what he's doing? So he's– what is
• 1:12:27
  his exact discipline?
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: Is he a psychologist?
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: He's doing these things in a country where it's legal,
• 1:12:35
  where you fly there and you do a five-hour– DMT experience,
• 1:12:40
  like intravenous. He's a chemical pharmacologist, neurobiologist, and a writer.
• 1:12:45
  One of the world's leading experts on psychedelics.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: Very interesting guy.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: And he's creating this place.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: I forget what it's called. Do you remember the name
• 1:12:55
  of the place? A lot of people are now into ayahuasca.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: That's an orally active version of DMT. This thing seems
• 1:13:04
  a little crazier. Because they can kind of regulate the
• 1:13:08
  dose much better and they can keep you there for
• 1:13:11
  a long period of time.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: Eleusis. Okay.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: So like the Eleusinian mysteries from ancient Greece. So this place,
• 1:13:22
  it's in Baquia.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: Am I saying that right? In the Caribbean?
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: In March of 2026. And the aim is to study
• 1:13:30
  DMTX and DMT entities and attempt to communicate with these entities.
• 1:13:34
  So one of the things that he's saying– so he
• 1:13:36
  was just on someone's podcast, maybe Danny Jones. He's been
• 1:13:43
  on this podcast as well. But one of the things
• 1:13:45
  that he was saying was that they keep going to
• 1:13:49
  the same place, that you can– like it's– they're actually
• 1:13:52
  trying to create a map of whatever this experience is.
• 1:13:55
  So instead of doing it like an ayahuasca ceremony or
• 1:13:58
  doing it like you're smoking DMT in a some sort
• 1:14:01
  of a psychedelic ceremony with your friends and it's a
• 1:14:03
  15-minute experience. Instead of that, they're having repeated experiences in
• 1:14:09
  the same environments. Like there's actually a place that you
• 1:14:13
  can go. And by regulating the dose somehow or another
• 1:14:16
  over a prolonged period of time, it allows you to
• 1:14:19
  maintain this state and keep entering deeper and deeper into
• 1:14:23
  whatever the fuck this is. But it seems to be mappable.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, it was the basement. That's what it was.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: So it is AJ from The Y Files, which is
• 1:14:32
  an awesome YouTube show if you've never seen it before.
• 1:14:35
  And so he's talking about it doesn't take you to
• 1:14:37
  somewhere new. It unlocked what's always there. These guys are–
• 1:14:41
  they're trying to develop like maps of what this is.
• 1:14:45
  So they keep experiencing– they're charting out different entities that
• 1:14:50
  you experience and there's a bunch of different ones that
• 1:14:53
  you experience. And one of them I've seen multiple times
• 1:14:56
  is jesters.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: And these bizarre looking psychedelic jesters.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: I wonder if they were the original jesters. I wonder
• 1:15:06
  if like the reason why jesters dress the way they
• 1:15:08
  do with these dangling things off their heads because this
• 1:15:11
  is what you experience in the psychedelic state and they're
• 1:15:13
  trying to recreate it. But what they have done when
• 1:15:16
  I've done it is mock me and make me realize
• 1:15:19
  that I'm taking myself seriously. Like one time there was
• 1:15:21
  like fractal. There's millions of them. And they were all
• 1:15:25
  giving me the finger like this. And I was like–
• 1:15:28
  and it was– and I said– I go, oh, I
• 1:15:30
  take myself too seriously.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: They go, yes. Interesting. And they were going like that. Interesting.
• 1:15:34
  That's it.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: It was like there's little corrections of your psyche that
• 1:15:38
  take place during these experiences.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: Interesting. It's very weird. I'm scared to do it. Well–
• 1:15:44
  I'm scared I'll go in and it will be fractals
• 1:15:46
  of J.D. Vance yelling at me. It's all George Soros. Yeah,
• 1:15:50
  it's all J.D. Vance going, you need to learn about AI. No,
• 1:15:54
  I don't know. I find it fascinating. Well, it is.
• 1:15:58
  It's definitely fascinating.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: Chase Hughes is just in the podcast and he did
• 1:16:01
  it somewhere in the United States where they did some
• 1:16:03
  five-hour DMT experience.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: And he was– it changes you.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: Whatever you are now is a totally different version of
• 1:16:11
  who you were before you had that experience.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: Interesting.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: Which is like life overall over day after day, month
• 1:16:18
  after month, week after week, year after year. You become
• 1:16:20
  a different thing. You're a different person than you used
• 1:16:23
  to be.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: But sometimes an experience like a psychedelic experience.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: Can make it abrupt.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: And then you instantaneously become a different person.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: It's so fascinating because we are having all these conversations
• 1:16:35
  about aliens and entities and demons and whatever. I think
• 1:16:40
  it's connected.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: I think what these psychedelic things allow you to do
• 1:16:46
  is experiencing things. You're experiencing things that are already there,
• 1:16:49
  that have been there all the time. You just lack
• 1:16:51
  the ability to see them. You're tuning into it. Like
• 1:16:56
  they're changing the chemistry of your brain. And it's not
• 1:17:00
  an alien chemical. That's the nutty part about it. DMT
• 1:17:03
  is produced by the human body. It's produced in the brain.
• 1:17:07
  It's produced in the liver. I think in the lungs.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: The release is when you die? I don't know. Maybe.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: It's very poorly understood. I mean there's been some work
• 1:17:16
  done on it. One of the big ones was Rick Strassman.
• 1:17:19
  He wrote a book called DMT, The Spirit Molecule. And
• 1:17:22
  he did this– it was really kind of brilliant. He
• 1:17:25
  had an FDA study that he got– this is all
• 1:17:27
  like government-approved study on psychedelics. Under the guise, he wants
• 1:17:31
  to find out how bad they are for you.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: So he told them, we want to study the dangers
• 1:17:36
  of these drugs.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: And that's why he got all the money. Yeah. And
• 1:17:38
  so he writes his book like, this shit's amazing.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: And by doing that and then studying– they studied the
• 1:17:45
  Cottonwood Research Foundation. They're studying where DMT is coming from.
• 1:17:49
  So like the thought was that it's coming from the
• 1:17:51
  pineal gland. So the pineal gland is like literally a
• 1:17:55
  third eye in the middle of your head. But now
• 1:17:57
  they think it's coming from the whole brain. They don't
• 1:18:00
  really– the human body produces it. That's the most important part.
• 1:18:03
  So the human body produces this– the most potent of
• 1:18:07
  all psychedelic chemicals that transports you into another world. Like
• 1:18:10
  how weird is it that the body produces a gateway
• 1:18:15
  to some other place? Now, whether it's perceived or a
• 1:18:17
  hallucination– The experience is the same. So you can get
• 1:18:22
  hung up all the time on, oh, you're just seeing
• 1:18:25
  things that aren't there.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: These are visions. OK, maybe.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: Maybe what you're doing is experiencing something that's real. Like
• 1:18:33
  it might not be something that you could put on
• 1:18:35
  a scale. It might not be something that you can
• 1:18:37
  measure with a ruler, but it doesn't mean it's not real.
• 1:18:41
  And I think we are very arrogant in our assumptions
• 1:18:43
  that we have an understanding of all that exists with
• 1:18:47
  all that we know about bacteria. and molecules and cells
• 1:18:52
  and mitochondria and then subatomic particles. Just the reality that
• 1:19:00
  we've observed is so fucking bizarre. The idea that we
• 1:19:04
  know what's real and what's not real and.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: You can say, oh, it's just a hallucination.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: The reality is you go to Tim Hortons, you get
• 1:19:10
  yourself a donut and you go to work. No, I
• 1:19:14
  think I have a feeling that what that experience is,
• 1:19:19
  is you being able to see something that exists around you.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: Well, a lot of people are very hopeful. I wasn't
• 1:19:25
  one of them per se, but this idea that like
• 1:19:27
  we're on the edge of some disclosure that the government
• 1:19:31
  was going to start telling us things about extraterrestrials. And like,
• 1:19:35
  remember that?
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: Well, the creepiest one that kept going around was that
• 1:19:41
  they had brought together a bunch of pastors to talk
• 1:19:44
  to them about disclosure because disclosure is going to disrupt
• 1:19:48
  the fabric of society so greatly. The question was what
• 1:19:52
  were they going to tell them? And so what I
• 1:19:54
  have been hearing from people that supposedly know things about
• 1:19:56
  UFOs was that they were told that religion was created
• 1:19:59
  by aliens to keep people in line and that humans
• 1:20:02
  are the product of accelerated evolution and they needed some
• 1:20:05
  sort of an origin story. that made sense with rules
• 1:20:08
  and morals and ethics and guidelines to follow and something
• 1:20:11
  to worship because without that, people are lost. And so
• 1:20:14
  that these aliens have created that.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: Well, please let Trump say that in a press conference.
• 1:20:20
  He's the president to say that. Yeah, I got to
• 1:20:22
  talk to him. He's the president to get on there
• 1:20:24
  and go, guys, listen, just we don't know what's going on.
• 1:20:28
  The streets are removed. They're open. They're closed. They're open.
• 1:20:30
  They're closed. Who gives a fuck anymore? Anyway, there is
• 1:20:33
  no God. You were all created by aliens and you
• 1:20:36
  were told a bunch of lies about it. Good luck.
• 1:20:39
  Keep going to work. Markets up. Straits open. Markets up.
• 1:20:43
  It's not even that there is no God.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: It's that the God story that you've been told is–
• 1:20:49
  it's formulated in a way for your tribal primate brain
• 1:20:54
  to accept and understand.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: And that there's probably a true story to all of it.
• 1:21:00
  If you go back far enough and if you got
• 1:21:02
  the actual events that they were trying to lay out,
• 1:21:04
  there's probably– there's too much of stuff that's in the
• 1:21:07
  Bible that like is historically verifiable.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 3: Totally.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: But do you think they– Didn't tell people that because
• 1:21:15
  they thought it would be too disruptive? Well, here's the thing.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of stuff that, you know, when you
• 1:21:21
  talk about the Bible, right, you're talking about a series
• 1:21:23
  of stories.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: Especially when you get to the Old Testament. It's a
• 1:21:26
  series of stories. And some of these stories aren't in
• 1:21:29
  the Bible that were a part of the religious canon
• 1:21:33
  of the day. And one of them is the Book
• 1:21:35
  of Enoch. So Anna Paulina Luna told me about it.
• 1:21:38
  She's like, you really have to read that.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: And I was like, okay.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: Like she was so adamant about it. I'm like, okay,
• 1:21:43
  let me read it. So I listened to it on
• 1:21:45
  tape in the sauna, which is the perfect way to
• 1:21:47
  do it. I'm listening to an audio book. It's 195 degrees.
• 1:21:50
  I'm sweating my balls off. I'm dying in there. And
• 1:21:52
  I'm listening to this fucking crazy account that is in
• 1:21:56
  the same Dead Sea Scrolls as they found the book
• 1:21:58
  of Isaiah, the same collection of these religious texts. And
• 1:22:03
  it's all about how the watchers came down and mated
• 1:22:07
  with the daughters of man and chose them as wives
• 1:22:09
  and then created this race of beings called the Nephilim,
• 1:22:12
  which were giants that ruled the earth. Like this is
• 1:22:15
  in the Bible. It's the, they talk about the Nephilim
• 1:22:19
  in the Bible. They talk about Enoch, like he's referenced
• 1:22:23
  in the Bible, but the book of Enoch, the stories
• 1:22:26
  that are in the book of Enoch are fucking bananas,
• 1:22:29
  like completely bananas. And the only reason why it's not
• 1:22:31
  in the Bible, a bunch of rabbis decided that it
• 1:22:34
  didn't align with the Torah, the Torah, the Talmud, I
• 1:22:37
  forget which one, but they decided like this, this, This
• 1:22:40
  contradicts some of the stories that are in other religious texts.
• 1:22:44
  So we're going to keep that one out.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: It was a collection of these things that's all together.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: Who were these rabbis? Exactly. Right.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, who are all these people that wrote these
• 1:22:56
  things down? You know, I have this bit where I
• 1:22:59
  read out of the book of Ezekiel and there's like
• 1:23:01
  the hilarious parts of the book of Ezekiel. And then
• 1:23:03
  there's also parts that sound like they're talking about a UFO,
• 1:23:06
  like these profound experiences. And then other things were talking
• 1:23:08
  about a prostitute. It's very funny.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: But this whole thing is a bunch of people's interpretations
• 1:23:15
  of stories written down, passed down generation to generation, written
• 1:23:19
  largely intact once it was an original piece. So like
• 1:23:24
  they found the book of Isaiah in the Dead Sea Scrolls.
• 1:23:27
  And it's identical to the book of Isaiah that is
• 1:23:30
  a thousand years newer. So that was older than the
• 1:23:34
  book of Isaiah that they had by a thousand years,
• 1:23:36
  the oldest.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: One they ever found. And it was verbatim. Right.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: So once they got these stories down, they wrote them
• 1:23:42
  over and over and over again. And like priests would
• 1:23:44
  learn to do that and monks would learn to do
• 1:23:46
  that with their religious texts. They would rewrite things over
• 1:23:48
  and over again as part of the practice.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: And someone knows in some subterranean part of the government–
• 1:23:55
  They know something or many things that they're not going
• 1:23:59
  to tell people because it would be disturbing or disruptive.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: This was the story about Jimmy Carter. The story about
• 1:24:05
  Jimmy Carter was Jimmy Carter, I believe in 1969, he
• 1:24:09
  had some sort of a very strange UFO experience that
• 1:24:14
  was very real to him, very bizarre, saw something. And
• 1:24:17
  part of his thing was once he gets into office,
• 1:24:19
  he wants to tell people. The story is that he
• 1:24:22
  was briefed. They explained to him something about the reality
• 1:24:27
  of the UFO experience, like what it really is. And
• 1:24:30
  he was crying, that he wept openly. So what could
• 1:24:34
  that mean? Like what would that mean?
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: Well, he was kind of a– Yeah. Interesting. He was
• 1:24:40
  a bitch. And this Habitat for Humanity, I never understood.
• 1:24:44
  I thought it was, you know. I think he's a
• 1:24:47
  genuinely good person. Of course he was. He built houses
• 1:24:49
  for people. That became a president. Yeah, he was. Never
• 1:24:52
  enriched himself. But he was also, if you read books
• 1:24:54
  about him, he was kind of an operator too.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 3: Uh-huh.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: He was kind of– he was into the peanut stuff, right?
• 1:24:59
  He was a peanut farmer or something? Yeah. You know,
• 1:25:02
  he was– nobody gets to be the– yeah, he was sweeter. Sweetest. Sweetest.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: One of the sweetest of all the presidents.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: He was still the president. But so they– who is
• 1:25:11
  doing this– it's just the men and black people from
• 1:25:13
  the– The depths of Raven Rock or Cheyenne military or
• 1:25:17
  wherever the hell they are.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: What they could be doing is covering up years of
• 1:25:22
  lying to Congress and misappropriation of funds for all these
• 1:25:25
  black ops programs and the way they can get out
• 1:25:28
  of jail. Because if they go and tell the government, oh, yeah,
• 1:25:33
  by the way, we lied to Congress for 50 years.
• 1:25:35
  There's no solid verifiable evidence that Jimmy Carter cried.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: Of course there's no solid evidence. Jamie, stop being a narc.
• 1:25:41
  He's a narc. He's a narc. He's out of control.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: The Carter cried of a UFO story is based on
• 1:25:47
  second or third hand anecdotes. Those are my favorite. And
• 1:25:50
  is not confirmed by Carter himself or primary official sources.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: I think it's true. I think it's true, too.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: About his 1969 sighting, Carter described seeing a strange light.
• 1:26:01
  but did not mention crying or being emotionally shattered by it.
• 1:26:04
  But I don't think that's what they're saying. They're saying
• 1:26:06
  he was emotionally shattered by the disclosure. Cried after UFO briefing.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: You've got to live with that knowledge. So he's just
• 1:26:13
  got to go around now.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: Richard Dolan, who is by far one of the best
• 1:26:17
  guys to read about UFOs and UAPs. Very balanced guy
• 1:26:22
  and very evidence-based guy. He includes a lot of crazy stories,
• 1:26:26
  but he never goes along with them.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: But Richard Dolan's really good. He's got a bunch of books.
• 1:26:31
  So I don't know if it's true.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: Is the Jake Barber guy real?
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: He's the guy that said that he actually had to
• 1:26:38
  move a UFO, right, with a helicopter?
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: Yes. I haven't talked to him. I was just watching it.
• 1:26:43
  But it's too long. These UFO guys, it's all three
• 1:26:46
  or four out.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: Like, it's not— Well, Jesse Michaels does a lot of
• 1:26:48
  very in-depth ones with these guys.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: But the good thing about that is if someone's, like,
• 1:26:53
  really full of shit, after a couple of hours, you
• 1:26:55
  kind of say— You see tendencies that maybe they exaggerate
• 1:27:01
  or they make things up or they leave stuff out
• 1:27:03
  or whatever it is. But something's going on.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: There's something that people keep seeing. There's enough radar information.
• 1:27:11
  There's enough video that doesn't make any sense.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: We never found out what those drones were. Remember that?
• 1:27:15
  They're all around the bases in New Jersey and stuff
• 1:27:17
  like that. Yeah, it was crazy. I mean, people were
• 1:27:20
  scared to fly. People say it's a domestic. It was domestic.
• 1:27:23
  It was us. That's what I've heard. But then, you know,
• 1:27:25
  could be China.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: Could be China flexing and pulling their dick out.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: Right. Check out what we have, motherfuckers. Who knows? Who knows?
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: But there was a lot of things that those things
• 1:27:33
  were doing that we don't know that they can do.
• 1:27:35
  One of the things, like they were flying for hours
• 1:27:38
  at a time. And so what's the fuel source? Because
• 1:27:41
  it's not batteries.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: Downed U.S.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: Pilot reported seeing Iranian drones swarm in jellyfish formation.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: Whoa.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: Well, they're probably getting drones from, you.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: Know, who knows, China. China, Russia. Of course.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: So the highest end of high end government drones that
• 1:28:01
  we don't know about, who knows what those fucking things
• 1:28:03
  can do? Multiple drones interconnected and moving as one with
• 1:28:09
  smaller drones below the bigger drones like legs. One of
• 1:28:12
  the sources familiar with the pilot's witness account told CNN,
• 1:28:15
  real alien shit. Another source told CNN the pilot described
• 1:28:19
  witnessing a minefield of drones in the air. Holy shit.
• 1:28:23
  When did this happen?
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 3: 13 hours ago this was posted.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: So 13 hours ago this F-15 got down?
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's talking and they're reporting it.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: Bro, how nuts is that? They got taken out by
• 1:28:36
  alien drones in April.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: Whoa.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: So he ejected from the aircraft, the Iranian drones hovering
• 1:28:43
  in the air, moving as one in a formation that
• 1:28:45
  resembled a jellyfish.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: Fuck, dude. Yeah, I mean, so there is a chance
• 1:28:50
  that it is our, it's DARPA and it's all of
• 1:28:52
  these countries that are, you know, you have these black projects.
• 1:28:57
  They have these secret defense projects. And they're saying it's extraterrestrial.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: I think if I was running an undercover operation for
• 1:29:07
  as many years as these people probably have been doing.
• 1:29:11
  And with Eric Weinstein thinks he thinks it's like a
• 1:29:13
  separate branch of physics. He said he thinks there's a
• 1:29:15
  bunch of physicists.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: So where do they get? So this is the story.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 3: We went and did a crazy invasion to get these
• 1:29:21
  guys back.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, this is those guys? Oh, this is how they
• 1:29:24
  got taken out.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 3: This opens up a lot more questions.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 3: They used the heartbeat thing. That was the whole, right?
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: That's what they said. What was it?
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: So the heartbeat thing was the thing that they said
• 1:29:41
  that they were able to locate this guy's heartbeat, his
• 1:29:44
  very unique heartbeat in the mountains where he was hiding.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: And everybody was like, well, that's bullshit. They were like,
• 1:29:50
  I don't know.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: And it's based on some sort of quantum something or another.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: What is it called again?
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 3: And then the fucking White House said, did you see
• 1:29:56
  that today?
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: Yesterday? What?
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 4: They posted something on their, oh, fuck. They're going to
• 1:30:01
  announce something about quantum computing.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, Christ. Do you think that? God's about to get boring.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 4: And they were making a joke about Q with it.
• 1:30:08
  That's sort of why I asked if you guys had
• 1:30:10
  seen that.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: What's the joke about Q?
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 3: I'll find the post.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: Okay. Right.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: I think they have drones that move like UFOs.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: I think for sure. Where are they getting this technology?
• 1:30:26
  I don't know. Do you think it's possible extraterrestrials are
• 1:30:29
  giving us technology? It is possible.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: So the reason White House will be Q-posting today.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: They're just trolling and having fun. Yeah.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 3: And by Q, we mean quantum.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: Stay tuned.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: Look how much they're trolling.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: QAnon people are the most committed people I've ever encountered. Yeah,
• 1:30:51
  they're fun. I've never encountered people who are so committed
• 1:30:55
  to anything. The UFO people are close. Sure. I mean,
• 1:30:58
  the Q people are 10 years in going, trust the plan.
• 1:31:00
  It's coming. And you go, guys, it's unbelievable how dedicated
• 1:31:08
  they are to the plan of And that it's still
• 1:31:12
  morphing and going in different directions. And the data centers
• 1:31:15
  are actually prisons for people who did the vaccine. They're
• 1:31:19
  not data centers. They're still going. And that level of
• 1:31:23
  commitment is what America is about. It's about that. It's
• 1:31:28
  about not giving up. Don't give up. Don't give up.
• 1:31:34
  You're too deep in to give up. My advice to
• 1:31:36
  anyone in that movement, stay in it because there's nothing
• 1:31:41
  good on the outside. Reality is not good. Stay in
• 1:31:44
  that movement. Take it as far as you can.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: What would the government possibly have to announce about quantum computing?
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: No idea.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: What was the quantum heartbeat thing? What was that thing called?
• 1:31:55
  How do they locate that gentleman?
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 4: I don't remember them never coming out and saying because
• 1:32:02
  people were speculating that, like, how could you even do it?
• 1:32:04
  I think someone came on the podcast the next day
• 1:32:06
  and was like, that's not how quantum stuff works.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: But I don't know if they know that for sure.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: So they don't really know what the technology is. But
• 1:32:13
  what was the technology that the government described? Because they
• 1:32:15
  described it as very bizarre. And there was a name
• 1:32:18
  for it that involved something quantum. And they said that
• 1:32:21
  somehow or another they were able to detect this guy's heartbeat.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: Unique heartbeat from I think was like. Was it 70
• 1:32:28
  or 700 miles away?
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 3: April 7th, this was posted on the New York Post.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: Secret never-before-used CIA tool that helps find airmen downed in Iran.
• 1:32:36
  If your heart is beating, we will find you.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: So this is it.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: Long-range quantum magnetometry to find the electromagnetic signal of a
• 1:32:47
  human heartbeat that pairs the data with artificial intelligence software
• 1:32:51
  to isolate the signature from background noise.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: And so how.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: What is the range on this stuff?
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: Because they were saying.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 3: It was 40 miles. I think they found this guy
• 1:33:00
  is what the claim was.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: But didn't they say the range is up to like 70.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: Miles, something along those lines? So I don't know. How
• 1:33:07
  long have they had this? Right. Is it even real? Yeah.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: But this is the thing. It's like, is it real? Like,
• 1:33:13
  so this is a post that's in the New York Post.
• 1:33:15
  And I think it was from, did someone release this.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: As a statement?
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: Like, what did they do to say they did it?
• 1:33:25
  The confirmation– OK. So– Radcliffe, Saturday morning.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, their CIA director talking about– yeah, there you go.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 3: CIA is missing America from 40 miles away. That was unclear.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: OK.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 4: That's Trump saying that. Not– so these are two different
• 1:33:38
  or three different speeches all going in together.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 3: I guess maybe they spoke at the same press conference.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: So here's the other thing. If that technology doesn't exist, right?
• 1:33:48
  And they just made that up to cover for technology
• 1:33:51
  that does exist. So maybe there's technology that does exist.
• 1:33:54
  That's some sort of large-scale satellite imagery of the earth
• 1:33:58
  that gets down to like a grain of sand. And
• 1:34:01
  they can find anybody anywhere. They can just find out
• 1:34:05
  where the plane is, scan the area.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: Bam, there he is. There he is. Okay.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: We don't want to say we have this. What are
• 1:34:11
  we going to say? Let's say we have. Quantum heart
• 1:34:14
  rate magnetometry.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. We can find ghosts. We couldn't find Ghislaine Maxwell
• 1:34:19
  in New Hampshire.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 3: When that came out, people were asking, yeah, why couldn't
• 1:34:22
  you use it to find anybody?
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: She was in New Hampshire. Yeah. Where is– whatever.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: Well, it could be that that technology just recently got invented.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: That's right. That's also possible.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 4: Well, they're still missing people. Guthrie is missing still, right?
• 1:34:33
  I don't just– We shouldn't have missing people then if
• 1:34:35
  that technology exists.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: That's a weird thing, and my heart goes out to her,
• 1:34:40
  but that's the craziest thing I've ever heard. Yeah, that's
• 1:34:43
  a weird one.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: And didn't they, like, they looked at family members as suspects, right?
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: I think they looked at family members as suspects. Is
• 1:34:50
  she back? And I think she's back to work. And
• 1:34:52
  isn't she back to work?
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: What did you say? There's a break in the story?
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 4: No, I think the story got updated recently. Yeah, there's
• 1:35:00
  something about a note. Ransom note claimed Nancy Guthrie died.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 3: After abduction.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: Well, you're not going to get ransom then.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 3: Second ransom note claims she died.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: Well, that's a horrible ransom note.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: So someone posted a note saying that she died.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: I want money.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: It's a ransom note that says she died.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: What about what if she died?
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 3: I'm reading headlines.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: We're sorry she died. Just give us what you want.
• 1:35:26
  It's not a specific amount of money. It's just give
• 1:35:29
  what you feel. It's like church. Give what you can.
• 1:35:33
  We're sorry she passed away. Give what you can. We're
• 1:35:36
  not going to say a specific amount of money.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: So the note sent days after the disappearance. Oh, so
• 1:35:41
  this is not new.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 4: Oh.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: Indicated she had died but contained no request for payment
• 1:35:46
  for the release of her body. Three people familiar with
• 1:35:49
  the matter said, though the existence of the note was known,
• 1:35:52
  the specific contents had not been previously disclosed. So it's
• 1:35:55
  just the contents were disclosed that they knew that she
• 1:35:57
  was dead.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: It seems like it's an inside thing. It seems like
• 1:36:01
  someone's involved that knew them. I mean, I hate to
• 1:36:03
  think that, but it does feel like it.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: Was there a request for money? What was the first request?
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: Originally, yeah.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 3: I think it was a bunch of Bitcoin or something
• 1:36:11
  they wanted.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: Well, let's find out what it was. It's a horrible thing, obviously.
• 1:36:17
  I'd like to know. But it does seem like this
• 1:36:19
  is an inside job. Well, someone certainly. Okay, the ransom.
• 1:36:25
  It seems like the family's involved. Maybe not. I don't know.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 3: So this is all bringing up stuff about.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: Ask AI. Press AI mode.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: You can't do it? Okay, put it in there. Put
• 1:36:41
  it in perplexity. How much do you think they asked for?
• 1:36:48
  I bet $ 10 million.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: $ 10 million?
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: For mom?
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: Five? Five? Let's see. Ten's a lot.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: Multi-million dollar payments in cryptocurrency, mostly Bitcoin, with amounts ranging
• 1:37:02
  from about four to six million and set deadlines, sometimes
• 1:37:06
  with escalating or else consequences.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: Terrible. This is insane. But think about it. Is that random?
• 1:37:13
  I guess it could be.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: It could be.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: But there was some concern that it was a family member.
• 1:37:17
  There was concern that it was something that a family
• 1:37:20
  member did this. Yeah. Who knows? It's sick. Yeah.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: The Bitcoin thing is weird too. Like you could transfer
• 1:37:29
  money in Bitcoin.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: There was a group of people that wanted me to
• 1:37:32
  advertise on my podcast and it was a– like a
• 1:37:36
  meme coin thing and that was like a platform, whatever.
• 1:37:39
  And then I was like– but their like identities were shrouded.
• 1:37:42
  People knew who they were but they were also very
• 1:37:43
  secretive because they didn't want to get kidnapped and they
• 1:37:46
  split their time between Dubai and London. And CAA, you know,
• 1:37:49
  came to me and they were like, hey, they want
• 1:37:51
  to give you a bunch of money. And I go,
• 1:37:52
  what are they? And CAA is like, well, you know,
• 1:37:54
  it's crypto. You know, they don't, you know, I mean,
• 1:37:56
  demons from hell. No offense. Love my people. But they were,
• 1:38:00
  I was like, I got to meet them. I got
• 1:38:02
  to meet them and sit down and talk to them
• 1:38:03
  as human beings and like ask them what their company
• 1:38:05
  does and everything like that. And then immediately once I
• 1:38:07
  requested that, they said, okay, they'll all meet you in
• 1:38:10
  Dubai and talk to you about the company. I said,
• 1:38:12
  I can't, I need to know, like, I know, like,
• 1:38:14
  you know, whatever. They pulled the offer. and wouldn't meet. Interesting. Yeah.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: So there's, there's all these shit. Cause by the way,
• 1:38:24
  here's a great way to fuck someone is to advertise
• 1:38:28
  on their show and then go, by the way, the
• 1:38:31
  money came from Russia.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: And you didn't even know that.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: Well, didn't that happen to a bunch of right-wing influencers?
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: I'm sure it happened. Weren't they a part of some thing?
• 1:38:39
  It's hard to know who knew what. But like it's great.
• 1:38:42
  What a great way to just make people appear compromised.
• 1:38:45
  So when somebody– when you go, where's this money coming from?
• 1:38:48
  Maybe it's an intelligence agency. Maybe it's ours. Maybe it's
• 1:38:50
  someone else. But you start going like, all right, I
• 1:38:52
  need to sit down with you, have dinner with you.
• 1:38:54
  It doesn't mean that I would necessarily be able to
• 1:38:56
  know who– like if these guys were legit or not.
• 1:38:59
  But the fact that they wouldn't even meet for a
• 1:39:01
  dinner tells me that something was up. Also, a friend
• 1:39:08
  of mine who's working at a company that's producing young
• 1:39:11
  shows– long-form shows for YouTube creators told me that a
• 1:39:14
  lot of the money is coming from– Democrat super PACs
• 1:39:19
  because they want a captive audience to be programmed politically
• 1:39:24
  and not only Democrat super PACs but like super PACs
• 1:39:27
  that are associated with certain issues and things like that.
• 1:39:31
  So what they're going to start doing is like getting
• 1:39:33
  behind content and funding longer form things on social media
• 1:39:40
  platforms and things like YouTube or whatever and then those
• 1:39:44
  companies– that are kind of in the background of this
• 1:39:48
  will then say, oh, we have an audience of 5
• 1:39:50
  or 10 million people watching this. We can put political
• 1:39:54
  ads on it and whatever else. So I mean this
• 1:39:58
  is kind of I think the future is going to
• 1:40:00
  be many things like this.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: And when you can do it through something like crypto,
• 1:40:06
  like if you can hide your identity, like who knows
• 1:40:09
  if it's even a real company. It could be a
• 1:40:11
  company designed entirely just for influence.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: It's very questionable. You have the intelligence world. You have
• 1:40:18
  the crypto world. And you have the world of international
• 1:40:23
  crime syndicates. Like they all live in that world. And
• 1:40:27
  I'm not saying people that are into crypto are inherently
• 1:40:29
  suspect in any way. Obviously they're not. But there is
• 1:40:33
  a lot of fuckery going on with the intelligence stuff
• 1:40:38
  and the crypto. It's like obvious. Clearly. Whenever there's money.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: The amount of money that you can make in crypto
• 1:40:45
  is fucking bananas and it doesn't make any sense, right?
• 1:40:47
  So whenever there's money in drugs, right? Like this is Iran-Contra.
• 1:40:51
  Whenever there's money in anything, they find a way to
• 1:40:53
  get a part of that money.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: I think what concerns people partially about this administration is
• 1:41:00
  some of the crypto stuff. I think people are concerned
• 1:41:04
  with some of the coins and some of the– You know, crypto. Well,
• 1:41:09
  Melania coins legit. That one I love. But the rest,
• 1:41:12
  I worry. No, but I think I think it's a
• 1:41:14
  fair concern. It is because it's a fair concern. It's legal,
• 1:41:18
  but it's like, should it be?
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 3: Is it?
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: Should it be? Should it be? Should it be? For sure.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's some freedom to you being able to
• 1:41:25
  make your own coin and back it with money, I guess.
• 1:41:28
  But it's also a way that you can launder money.
• 1:41:30
  And it's also where you could pay people off for stuff.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: And dupe people into spending their money. You know what
• 1:41:35
  I mean? Like, I think a lot of people. Yeah,
• 1:41:37
  I mean, that poor girl, huh? That poor girl. They
• 1:41:39
  got her. They got her. They got her. They got her.
• 1:41:42
  I hope she did well on that. I bet she didn't. Really?
• 1:41:46
  Probably not. Damn it.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: Certainly in terms of what she could be doing.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: Sad.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 3: No, of course.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: Because as soon as they get mad at you for
• 1:41:51
  something like that, well, then they don't like you anymore.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: Well, she did the wrong thing, and it's sad. She
• 1:41:56
  didn't know. Is she like 22 or something? I also
• 1:41:59
  don't know if she was going to be Meryl Streep.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: But it was– Listen, the Cash Me Outside girl makes
• 1:42:05
  more money than anybody.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: It's true. But I think it could have gone on
• 1:42:08
  longer than it– what a society we live in. I
• 1:42:12
  mean I just– that just hit me. That just like
• 1:42:14
  hit my brain that she makes more money than anybody
• 1:42:16
  and it's true.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: I was listening to your take on the White House
• 1:42:20
  UFC card being the end of MAGA.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: And that the moment when that guy said Michelle Obama
• 1:42:25
  is a man.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, it's just the greatest thing for if you're
• 1:42:28
  a deep, deep, hardcore. And I don't even mean the
• 1:42:31
  like the America first principles. I just mean like you're
• 1:42:34
  along for the ride. You're here for the part. There's
• 1:42:37
  a lot of maggot people that I'm friends with that
• 1:42:38
  are deep. They're not political. They're along for the part.
• 1:42:41
  They like to party. Right. They want fun. Florida. It's
• 1:42:45
  4 p.m. Drunk. You know what I mean? And they're
• 1:42:49
  in for the fun and it's fun. They have like
• 1:42:51
  they have like boat shows and regattas where like a
• 1:42:54
  bunch of boats will go out with Trump flags when
• 1:42:56
  they're watching that UFC event in their house in St.
• 1:42:59
  Augustine or Tampa or or fucking West Palm, whatever it is.
• 1:43:04
  And that guy stands up because Michelle Obama is a man.
• 1:43:08
  it's the culmination of things that you, they're not going
• 1:43:11
  to beat that. It's hard to beat that. That there
• 1:43:15
  were houses that cheered when that happened. It was a
• 1:43:19
  hundred percent. How many do you think over the whole country?
• 1:43:23
  It was audible in Florida, Florida. I know for sure.
• 1:43:28
  It was audible for sure. People cheered. And it was like, listen,
• 1:43:31
  like outside bars. Yeah. It was a party. The fights
• 1:43:34
  were good. You, you know, it's like, To me it's
• 1:43:38
  like there's this– every cultural thing has a moment where
• 1:43:43
  it just explodes and it's over after that. It's like
• 1:43:48
  Hunter Thompson has that famous quote about it where he
• 1:43:50
  was part of this thing and then it just– we
• 1:43:53
  saw it happen with like celebrity culture. A lot of
• 1:43:58
  it like that Imagine video during COVID was kind of
• 1:44:01
  the end of that. Like people are like, shut up. Yeah. Like, really,
• 1:44:04
  it was like they did that video and they didn't
• 1:44:06
  know it at the time, but people really started to
• 1:44:08
  turn on them. They're like, just shut up. And there
• 1:44:10
  was the other one, the BLM one. Totally. All of them.
• 1:44:13
  Same kind of thing. Sorry to be white or whatever
• 1:44:15
  it was. Same shit. Same kind of thing. People just said, okay,
• 1:44:18
  enough of this. And I do think that every movement
• 1:44:21
  just gets to a point where you've done all you
• 1:44:23
  can do. You've done all you can do. And when
• 1:44:25
  you are standing in the octagon of a UFC fight
• 1:44:28
  on the White House lawn and you're asked if you
• 1:44:31
  have anything to say and you scream, Michelle Obama's a man.
• 1:44:34
  That is the clock has struck midnight. That's that. I mean,
• 1:44:38
  I don't know what else you could do. That guy,
• 1:44:41
  Josh Hokut. Yeah.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: You know, that's like he's got a shtick. Like he's
• 1:44:46
  got a character.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: It's fun.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 2: The Incredible Hoke. And so he's basically like a pro
• 1:44:51
  wrestling bad guy.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: Who also is a really good fighter. Right.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: So there's a real problem there. What should have happened?
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And he says crazy stuff.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: Well, they probably, in retrospect, if they wanted to avoid this,
• 1:45:06
  probably shouldn't have had him fight.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: On the White House lawn. Sure.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: Because if he said that at the T-Mobile arena or
• 1:45:11
  in Madison Square Garden.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: Outrageous. Sure. But not that big a deal. But it's the. Yeah.
• 1:45:16
  But here's what should have happened afterwards. Michelle Obama should
• 1:45:19
  have made an undertaker like entrance. Let's go in. All
• 1:45:27
  of a sudden, the lights go out. The lights dim.
• 1:45:29
  And then the light goes on on the balcony. It's
• 1:45:31
  Michelle Obama. And she comes on a cord that she
• 1:45:34
  flies over. If Michelle Obama had made an Undertaker-like entrance
• 1:45:40
  and got in the stage and then body slammed, like,
• 1:45:42
  can you imagine? Unbelievable. That would have been amazing. The
• 1:45:47
  country just exists for ratings now anyway. It's all it
• 1:45:51
  exists for. It's just that's all we're doing anymore. That
• 1:45:56
  would have been unbelievable. Here it is.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 3: This is what you guys are. I think this is. Yes.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: She's in the ceiling the entire time. Michelle Obama comes down.
• 1:46:10
  You see Trump. Trump starts doing his dance. He's doing
• 1:46:13
  his Trump dance. Michelle Obama comes down. She's got a cape. Bro,
• 1:46:17
  it would be the end. It would have been un-fucking-believable,
• 1:46:21
  and she would have been president next. She would have
• 1:46:25
  been president next with no election. No election. Vance is
• 1:46:29
  going to stand up to that. She should have descended
• 1:46:32
  from the rafters in a cape, fought that guy, you know,
• 1:46:35
  you know, choreographed. Yeah. Just body slam him. It's fun. Fake.
• 1:46:40
  And then she does an uppercut and then he's on a,
• 1:46:43
  on a cord and he sails out. Unbelievable. Missed opportunity.
• 1:46:48
  Missed opportunity.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: Because why not? Why not have some fun? Yeah, why not?
• 1:46:57
  Why not have.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 4: A little fun? Or some wrestling event there. They could
• 1:47:01
  still pull it off.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: They could do it. And if she's smart, she hears this,
• 1:47:06
  and she's on her phone with her people. Don't sue them.
• 1:47:11
  They were going to sue them. They thought about suing them.
• 1:47:12
  It's like, what? Stop with the suing all the time
• 1:47:15
  in this country. Do something fun. I agree. Too much suing.
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 2: Well, there is this moment where the UFC thing was
• 1:47:27
  going on, where the planes flew overhead, where it's just like,
• 1:47:31
  I'm like.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: Is this even real? It was wild. It's such an
• 1:47:35
  amazing spectacle. It's hard to top. It was pretty amazing.
• 1:47:39
  That's what I mean. A piece of entertainment. Of course.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: It was also the only UFC card in the history
• 1:47:46
  of the sport where every fight was a knockout.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: This was the.
• 1:47:53
  That this is senior prom. Everyone's got to go to
• 1:47:57
  college next year. And, you know, wherever they go, this
• 1:48:00
  is it. This is the party. There's a moment after
• 1:48:03
  senior prom or, you know, some party that you have senior,
• 1:48:06
  you know, the summer and you're looking around at all
• 1:48:08
  your friends, you're all high and drunk and you're looking
• 1:48:10
  around and you, and if you're smart and most people,
• 1:48:12
  a lot of them have this thought, they go, this
• 1:48:14
  is never going to be like this again. Right. This
• 1:48:16
  will never be like this again. We'll never be able
• 1:48:19
  to get together on the White House lawn and do
• 1:48:20
  motocross and watch UFC and call Michelle Obama a man.
• 1:48:24
  It started when he walked down the escalator. We went
• 1:48:29
  through a lot of things. The guy almost got shot.
• 1:48:32
  Who knows who did it? No one knows. No one
• 1:48:33
  seems to care. Whatever. Fine. Moving on. But– You know,
• 1:48:37
  he's you know, he's gone through many iterations. He's been out.
• 1:48:40
  He's been in. It's the most it's the most interesting
• 1:48:43
  story really in recent human history. And and this is
• 1:48:46
  the party to throw. And it's wild because we're not
• 1:48:49
  going to win the Iran war. We're not going to
• 1:48:51
  win the Iran war. It seems very clear that it's
• 1:48:53
  very difficult to imagine a scenario where we come out
• 1:48:56
  with like a decisive victory. So instead of that, we
• 1:48:59
  this this we did this.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: How is there no more? open investigation into the assassination attempt.
• 1:49:07
  What happened there? Because that's where Kent said that he
• 1:49:10
  was told to stop investigating.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: Do you want it honestly done? Do you know who
• 1:49:13
  you put in charge of it if you want it truly?
• 1:49:15
  And I'm being very serious. If you want an honest investigation,
• 1:49:18
  put Israel in charge. Joe, if you want it done right,
• 1:49:28
  have them do it. That's all I'm saying. Just have
• 1:49:31
  them do it. Just have them do it.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: I would trust– You think they should look at the
• 1:49:36
  Charlie Kirk assassination as well?
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: I would trust their conclusions. Have them do it. That
• 1:49:43
  would be my thought. Just a fun thought. There's a
• 1:49:47
  lot of people that think it was a hoax and
• 1:49:49
  that it was a setup. And if it was, I've
• 1:49:51
  said on my show, just tell us how you did
• 1:49:52
  it because that's fun too. It's fun.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: Pennsylvania men shot during Trump rally in Butler sued the
• 1:49:57
  United States. Two men who were wounded in the shooting.
• 1:50:02
  They're suing– James Copenhaver and David Dutch were shot during
• 1:50:07
  an attempted assassination of Trump. Their attorneys filed federal lawsuits
• 1:50:11
  against the United States for their life-altering physical and emotional injuries,
• 1:50:14
  claiming those injuries were the direct result of negligence on
• 1:50:18
  the part of the United States Secret Service. Dutch was
• 1:50:20
  shot in the stomach while Copenhaver was shot twice. Does
• 1:50:25
  the suing ever end in this country? But there's an
• 1:50:28
  argument that that was negligence. I totally get it.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: Remember that woman, Kim Cheadle, who was in charge and
• 1:50:33
  then they put her back in a bunker?
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 4: Who?
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: She was in charge of the Secret Service, Kim Cheadle. Oh,
• 1:50:38
  that's right. That's right. She was like Dick Cheney's assistant. Yeah.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 3: The roof was too sloped or something.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she said the roof was too sloped to get
• 1:50:46
  officers up there.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: But they shot the guy and he didn't even fall.
• 1:50:48
  He didn't roll off the roof. Like the whole thing.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 2: Well, the slope of the roof that they were on
• 1:50:53
  was steeper.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: If it's a faked assassination attempt, I don't care. I
• 1:50:57
  want to know how it was done. And so does
• 1:50:59
  the rest of America. Produce a special where Barry Weiss
• 1:51:03
  interviews Donald Trump about how they faked the assassination attempt.
• 1:51:07
  Put it on CBS where she's doing. And she's taking
• 1:51:10
  over CNN now. So I think, and she's now isolated
• 1:51:15
  herself on the sixth floor of CBS where she can
• 1:51:17
  no longer see the staff and they cannot approach her.
• 1:51:20
  Is that true? That is correct. And she's guarded by guards.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 3: What?
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: Yes. Where'd you hear this? This is in the news.
• 1:51:27
  She is, she's in a bunker, like detaining the PEOC
• 1:51:30
  during 9-11, except it's Barry Weiss at CNN surrounded by
• 1:51:35
  guards and no one can, and it's like, it's, it's
• 1:51:39
  like a militarized zone. She's in a militarized zone.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 2: Barry in the bunker and Ellison at the gates.
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Is this real? She's unbelievable. By the way, I
• 1:51:50
  like her more now and she hates me and that's sad.
• 1:51:52
  Why does she hate you? Well, you know, I've said things,
• 1:51:55
  but here's the thing. I like her more now than ever.
• 1:52:00
  Did she start hating you after your hilarious impression? She's
• 1:52:04
  turned on me a while ago. It turned on you how?
• 1:52:10
  She texted me and was like, you're part of a
• 1:52:13
  world in which people are anti-Semitic. And I'm like, well,
• 1:52:16
  am I?
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 3: What am I?
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: What? What am I doing? And she's like, you're part
• 1:52:21
  of this thing. And I was like, well, that's like,
• 1:52:25
  what am I? Why am I? What is this guilt
• 1:52:27
  by association? I don't like this. Part of a thing
• 1:52:30
  that's anti-Semitic.
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 2: It's like you're part of a cultural space of anti-Semitism.
• 1:52:34
  And I'm like– So is she connecting you to anti-Semites?
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: She's connecting me to all these different people because if–
• 1:52:40
  the thing that she hated and the thing that she
• 1:52:43
  crusaded against was this whole idea that like she's applying
• 1:52:47
  the same principles that she supposedly didn't like, which is
• 1:52:49
  like if you're willing to have a conversation with somebody,
• 1:52:52
  you endorse every one of their views. Or if you
• 1:52:55
  question something like Israel, you hate Israel. Or you hate
• 1:52:59
  Jewish people, which is insane. Right. And that was– I
• 1:53:02
  thought she was the one who was like we should
• 1:53:03
  have nuance on the trans issue. What happened to that? Right.
• 1:53:06
  What happened to being able to question gender ideology and
• 1:53:10
  all these things? Like why aren't we– where's the nuance?
• 1:53:13
  Where's the– why aren't we holding space for nuance, Bar?
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 2: CBS News boss Barry Weiss poised to oversee CNN editorial operations. Yeah,
• 1:53:23
  this is what he just said, right?
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I saw that. But she's living her best
• 1:53:26
  life as people would say, this is what she was
• 1:53:28
  meant to do. And when someone steps into their truth,
• 1:53:31
  I support them. And she has stepped into her truth.
• 1:53:34
  She's exactly where she should be, in a bunker guarded
• 1:53:36
  by the military while she systematically destroys CBS. She's stepping
• 1:53:43
  into her truth. This is what she was there. She
• 1:53:44
  was put there to destroy it. She was obviously put
• 1:53:47
  there to destroy it. She wasn't put there to make
• 1:53:49
  it work. She was put there to just destroy it.
• 1:53:52
  And she's doing it.
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 2: Do you think they understood the amount of pushback that
• 1:53:56
  they were going to get?
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: I don't think they– I think they said, listen, let's
• 1:54:00
  just put her in there and see what happens because
• 1:54:03
  who cares? Like the– it's like these legacy media institutions
• 1:54:09
  are dying. They're not turning around. No one is going
• 1:54:14
  back to watching the evening news and they know that.
• 1:54:18
  These are billionaires. They're not idiots.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: The Ellisons are not dumb. They said, let's have a
• 1:54:22
  little fun while this thing goes.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 2: It says she took the helm of the struggling organization
• 1:54:28
  last month with a mandate to shake it up following
• 1:54:31
  David Ellison-led Skydance takeover of CBS parent company Paramount in 2024.
• 1:54:37
  Paramount Skydance bought Weiss' online outlet, The Free Press, for
• 1:54:41
  a cool $ 150 million as she became editor-in-chief of CBS News.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 1: That's a lot of money for the free press. Well, no,
• 1:54:50
  because if you look at the podcast ratings, it was
• 1:54:52
  you and then she was number two. Wow. So that's why. No,
• 1:54:55
  she would get 7,000 YouTube views. And it seems high.
• 1:55:02
  It certainly seems like a lot. But, you know, when
• 1:55:05
  you take into account her cultural impact.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 2: It's interesting because, like, when it came to her, like,
• 1:55:12
  pushing against woke ideology that infected the New York Times,
• 1:55:15
  she seemed really reasonable.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 1: And there's this very.
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 2: Famous clip of her talking to Brian Stelter. Where she
• 1:55:21
  talks about the world gone crazy.
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 1: Right. Remember that? The world gone mad? Yes. Where she's
• 1:55:26
  like very.
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 2: Brilliantly lays out why if this is what you're saying,
• 1:55:31
  you know, when people are saying that silence is violence.
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 2: And not actual violence is violence.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 1: The world's gone mad. Right. And she lays these all out.
• 1:55:40
  It's so brilliant. Well, there's got to be room for nuance.
• 1:55:43
  Like October 7th was horrible. Hamas is not good. We
• 1:55:46
  all know this. However- You also cannot look at what's
• 1:55:50
  gone on the last few years and think that Israel
• 1:55:54
  is not number one perpetrator. You could call it– I
• 1:55:57
  call it a genocide. People can call it anything they want.
• 1:55:59
  It doesn't matter. It's a campaign of mass murder where
• 1:56:03
  a lot of people have died. Civilians have died. Many
• 1:56:05
  children have died. People that are innocent have died. And
• 1:56:09
  they're starting to do something similar in southern Lebanon. And
• 1:56:13
  they're now talking about Turkey. Going, by the way, Turkey
• 1:56:16
  also is a– Turkey is a NATO fucking country. So
• 1:56:21
  the idea that any criticism of Netanyahu or the Israeli
• 1:56:24
  government or Israel or our relationship with Israel or the
• 1:56:27
  money makes you anti-Semitic is an insane thing. It's the
• 1:56:31
  exact thing that she fought against in race and gender.
• 1:56:37
  She fought against that Manichaean good and evil, black and white.
• 1:56:41
  She fought against it and she was right. She was correct.
• 1:56:45
  to say you should be able to have conversations about
• 1:56:49
  when is it appropriate for a child to be exposed
• 1:56:52
  to certain ideas and when should they be able to
• 1:56:54
  make a determination about how they want to live their
• 1:56:56
  life and like when is it appropriate for people to
• 1:57:02
  call you know to designate between a protest and a
• 1:57:05
  legit and a riot and the silence is violence and
• 1:57:09
  all of that stuff she had really pretty logical opinions
• 1:57:15
  on all that stuff. But when it came to that
• 1:57:16
  one issue, she seems very incapable of understanding any nuance
• 1:57:22
  or gray area or complexity regarding this particular issue. No,
• 1:57:26
  she is all in for Israel. And that's fine. That's
• 1:57:28
  her choice. And I get it. But it's so obvious.
• 1:57:34
  when a Mark Levin goes, the president's great because we're
• 1:57:36
  going into Iran because the president's great. He's the greatest
• 1:57:39
  leader of all time. And then he goes, well, this
• 1:57:41
  didn't work out like we thought. We're going to make
• 1:57:43
  a deal and we're going to try to, you know,
• 1:57:46
  and then Mark Levin goes, this is a failure. This
• 1:57:50
  is a blunder. This is a strategic thing. And it's like,
• 1:57:53
  for who? Is it for us? It's not a failure.
• 1:57:57
  It's clearly a failure for us. But like, it seems
• 1:58:00
  like the bigger failure would be for Israel that wants
• 1:58:03
  Iran neutered because they have aspirations regionally, globally, but certainly regionally.
• 1:58:08
  So who's it a failure for? and that's a fair
• 1:58:12
  question and i think it's like there's you've got to
• 1:58:15
  be able to have that conversation without being tarred and
• 1:58:18
  feathered as someone who's like a conspiracy mongering anti-semite which
• 1:58:24
  is like Very– there's a group of people that are,
• 1:58:28
  but a lot of people just want sanity and this
• 1:58:31
  is not sane.
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 2: And just like you were talking about with the banks
• 1:58:35
  forcing that shit down people's throats that it's going to
• 1:58:38
  make them– Yeah.
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 1: Same thing. Nobody understands blowback. Like the CIA term blowback
• 1:58:43
  when you like go into a country, kill everyone and
• 1:58:45
  they go, you like us, right? They go, no, not really.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 1: We killed your mother, but we're sorry, but you want
• 1:58:54
  the mall. We're going to build a mall. They go, no,
• 1:58:56
  we're going to, we're going to bomb you and try
• 1:58:58
  to kill you. This is blowback. There's blowback when you
• 1:59:03
  shut down conversations and, and, and in order to shut
• 1:59:07
  people up, you got to pay them or kill them.
• 1:59:09
  That's the only way to do it. If you don't
• 1:59:11
  pay people a lot of money or kill them, they're
• 1:59:13
  going to talk there. And if, if you don't, if
• 1:59:17
  you limit that, They're going to get angrier and the
• 1:59:21
  blowback is going to be intense. Well said. Yeah.
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's entirely accurate. CBS News. I'll go on.
• 1:59:29
  That's the thing. I have no beef with her. I
• 1:59:31
  like her. I like that she's in a bunker. I
• 1:59:33
  will go on to that show.
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 3: I'm there.
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 1: Things that I thought was hilarious.
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 2: There was some fake story was that they were going
• 1:59:39
  to bring me on for 60 minutes.
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: Everyone keeps saying that. I texted you about it. I'm like,
• 1:59:43
  are you doing 60 minutes? I thought that was wild.
• 1:59:46
  But why not? I mean, you know, half the staff
• 1:59:51
  has left. One of that guy, that guy, Bill Pelley,
• 1:59:53
  just got out. Yeah. She got out and then she's
• 1:59:56
  got that dokopol, whatever his name is, in the evening
• 1:59:58
  news crying like a psychopath. Who's that? He's the guy
• 2:00:01
  who does the CBS evening news and his first episode,
• 2:00:05
  he's in Miami and he's crying. Can you get that up?
• 2:00:08
  It's unbelievable. Why is he crying? He's the anchor of
• 2:00:10
  the news. Why is he crying? He's crying because he
• 2:00:13
  starts talking about his family and how he grew up
• 2:00:14
  in Miami. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. This is the guy
• 2:00:18
  who was selected to run the CBS Evening News, to
• 2:00:22
  be the anchor of the CBS Evening News. And like
• 2:00:25
  he does this thing where he's in Miami and they
• 2:00:29
  take him out of the chair because they want to start.
• 2:00:30
  She's shaking it up. Barry's shaking it up. So instead
• 2:00:33
  of sitting at a desk and doing the thing, they
• 2:00:36
  bring him to Miami to like visit his childhood places.
• 2:00:41
  And he starts sobbing. I forget it was like a
• 2:00:46
  restaurant or something. Jamie, you can find it.
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 3: I didn't have him crying for some reason.
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 1: He's crying in like a restaurant or he gets like
• 2:00:53
  choked up and it's deeply uncomfortable and it's really weird.
• 2:00:58
  And he starts talking about how he had a hard childhood.
• 2:01:01
  It's like unbelievable. This is the guy.
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 2: Embarrassing first day CBS TV News Savage by staff. It's
• 2:01:09
  state TV.
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 3: Whoa.
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 2: The conversation with one of His handlers during an ad break,
• 2:01:15
  Pete Hegseth said during his interview with Tony– how do
• 2:01:19
  you say his name?
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 1: Dokopol. Dokopol.
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 2: We did it at Barry's request and because CBS News
• 2:01:26
  did something right on this.
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 1: I wish you had him crying. I wish you had
• 2:01:30
  him in that restaurant.
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 2: So is Marco Rubio's moment is what he's talking about?
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 1: No. He's in Miami and in Docapul. I mean, yeah,
• 2:01:41
  this is psychotic. You have to watch.
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 3: So he just keeps crying? It wasn't showing the video.
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's his thing. You know, like George Hamilton was
• 2:01:48
  tan all the time.
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 1: He's crying. He's talking about. Yeah, look at this. Look
• 2:01:53
  at this. This is the anchor of the CBS Evening News.
• 2:01:56
  So he's being interviewed? Yeah. Can we listen to this?
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to. I can't.
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 1: Facebook's weird. Damn it.
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 3: It doesn't let me control the player. There it goes.
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 1: It doesn't allow us to show up.
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 3: Let me get a second here.
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 1: No, you're okay.
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 2: Take it from the beginning so I know what he's
• 2:02:11
  crying about.
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 1: What?
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 7: It makes me emotional.
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 1: It's so funny.
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 6: I didn't mean anything.
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 1: You know... This is your favorite place in the world.
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 3: Why?
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 1: Why South Florida and Miami?
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 3: What? It makes me emotional.
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 1: It's so funny.
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 7: I didn't mean anything.
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 6: Because you only have one childhood, right?
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 7: Let me get a second here.
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 1: No, you're okay.
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 3: I can relate.
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 1: This is home.
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 7: To help people understand why I have such a reaction,
• 2:03:03
  Florida is.
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 1: Where I grew up. I don't.
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 3: Know. Did you watch it or something?
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 1: We didn't get a lot of sleep. No, it's okay.
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 6: My grandmother's here, my father, my mother, my aunts and uncles, cousins.
• 2:03:17
  And it's where I would have spent all of my childhood,
• 2:03:20
  but we left because of my father. He got in
• 2:03:24
  some trouble with business. We laugh about it now, but
• 2:03:27
  he was a drug dealer. But he was a drug dealer.
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 1: He went to jail.
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 6: It's kind of a ha-ha thing that we say now,
• 2:03:33
  but the reason it's so emotional for.
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 3: Me is because... I feel like I was robbed.
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 1: It's kind of a hot thing. He's this head of
• 2:03:41
  the CBS Evening News. He's the anchor of the CBS
• 2:03:45
  Evening News. This is what drives everyone so crazy about
• 2:03:50
  the world, how fake everything is. That's the guy. That's
• 2:03:54
  the best guy for the job. This is when I
• 2:03:58
  grew up, you would go see Whitney Houston and go, fuck,
• 2:04:00
  she's good. I can't sing like that. Who cares if
• 2:04:03
  she smokes crack? She deserves it. You watch this and
• 2:04:08
  it drives you insane. You go, this guy's crying. His
• 2:04:11
  father's a drug dealer. This is who's the best guy
• 2:04:15
  for the job. He's going to have to report on death,
• 2:04:19
  like murder, war, famine, whatever. And he's crying in a
• 2:04:27
  fucking in some Cuban restaurant about his drug dealer father.
• 2:04:31
  So they had to leave Miami. No one believes anything
• 2:04:34
  is real anymore. This is a huge problem in our world.
• 2:04:38
  People go, that's the guy? That's the anchor of the
• 2:04:42
  CBS Evening News? It's crazy.
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 2: Well, the other guy who was on, a bunch of
• 2:04:46
  people attacked him after he left, right? So he left
• 2:04:49
  and apparently he made it very public.
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 1: Yes, Scott Pelley or something. Big public– Yeah, yeah. So
• 2:04:56
  what was he pissed about?
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 2: He was saying something about they were going against science
• 2:05:02
  or– Some of it had to do, I believe, with
• 2:05:04
  climate change. Some of it had to do with a
• 2:05:06
  bunch of other things that he disagreed with where the
• 2:05:10
  news organization– let's find out what his exact complaints were.
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's find out. I don't know what they were.
• 2:05:14
  But Barry chairs the meetings there and really goes on
• 2:05:22
  and embarrasses herself and on the calls and stuff. He
• 2:05:25
  has no idea what she's talking about. So here it is.
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 2: Following his criticism– News editor Barry Wise, 60 Minutes executive
• 2:05:32
  producer Nick Bilton at a staff meeting. Pelley was fired
• 2:05:36
  by CBS News. What did he say? When CBS fired Pelley,
• 2:05:42
  Bilton wrote a cover letter, which obtained by the New
• 2:05:44
  York Times. Bilton stated as follows, your antipathy to the
• 2:05:50
  future of the show has come through loud and clear,
• 2:05:52
  and I have heard you. Therefore— Write on behalf of
• 2:05:56
  CBS News Inc. to inform you that your employment with
• 2:05:58
  CBS is terminated for cause effective immediately. Next day, Weiss said,
• 2:06:03
  I'm only interested in working in a newsroom that is
• 2:06:06
  built on trust and mutual respect.
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 2: So what did he say? Pelley accused the new CBS
• 2:06:15
  leadership of instructing him to insert falsehoods into a political
• 2:06:19
  story and to include assertions that were not verified, instructions
• 2:06:23
  he says he ignored. The collapse of values at the
• 2:06:26
  top has become untenable. The leadership at 60 Minutes is
• 2:06:29
  no longer recognizable. The principles I hold dear are gone,
• 2:06:33
  and so I must.
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 1: Leave as well.
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 2: I wonder what exactly they meant, though, by the falsehoods
• 2:06:39
  in a political story and including assertions that were not verified.
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 1: Well, here it is.
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 2: It says the story CBS intervened on was a report
• 2:06:48
  about the 2026 protests in Minnesota. And the falsehood CBS
• 2:06:52
  asked for was to describe protester Renee Good as driving
• 2:06:55
  her car toward the officer who killed her, which Pelley
• 2:06:59
  said contradicts video evidence of the event.
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 1: That's correct.
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 2: It seemed to me that he was the lady was
• 2:07:05
  trying to turn the car away from him, but it
• 2:07:08
  did brush up against the guy. Which is enough for
• 2:07:12
  him to decide the killer. But it was not she
• 2:07:17
  was trying to run him over. But however, that guy
• 2:07:20
  had been dragged by a car very recently. So he's
• 2:07:24
  probably filled with PTSD. He almost fucking died. I think
• 2:07:27
  he got dragged like 300 yards, rather. I think it's
• 2:07:30
  fair to ask at this point.
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 1: 300 feet? Yeah, but I think it's also fair to
• 2:07:33
  ask at this point, like, what is the media? Like,
• 2:07:35
  what is the media? Like, all due respect to Barry Weiss,
• 2:07:38
  but like, So it was a heavily inflated price for
• 2:07:41
  her blog that she sold, YouTube channel, whatever. There's clearly
• 2:07:47
  a political agenda to this. You have billionaires that own
• 2:07:51
  all of these companies and we're asked to believe that
• 2:07:56
  she's the most qualified for the job even though she's
• 2:07:58
  never ran a newsroom. She didn't like work her way
• 2:08:00
  up the rank. She's an op-ed columnist and opinion writer
• 2:08:04
  and stuff like that. Great. She made a lot of sense.
• 2:08:06
  We said it before. And then she appoints, hires this
• 2:08:10
  guy who's crying in a restaurant in Miami, but it's dad.
• 2:08:14
  And it's like, who the hell's that guy? So I
• 2:08:16
  think it's fair to ask, like, Do we have any
• 2:08:20
  trust left in these institutions? Do we have any trust left?
• 2:08:24
  And like people that work there are leaving and saying,
• 2:08:27
  I'm being asked to insert things into this. It isn't true.
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 2: Well, that alone, just that alone, like driving the car
• 2:08:33
  towards the officer. That's not that's just not technically correct.
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 2: It seems like she was steering it away. Why would
• 2:08:39
  they want to say something that's not correct when you
• 2:08:43
  could just see it in a video? Like if you
• 2:08:45
  were running a newsroom, that would be the last thing
• 2:08:47
  you would want to do is contradict something that's obviously verifiable.
• 2:08:52
  So that would– for what reason would you sacrifice your credibility?
• 2:08:57
  Because that's essentially what it's doing. It's such a short-term play.
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 1: Yes, but I'll tell you exactly why. OK. Because their
• 2:09:04
  main demographic is 70-year-olds who are having strokes on their couch.
• 2:09:10
  They're not verifying this. They're not. They have a very
• 2:09:13
  old audience that is not online savvy. They're not looking
• 2:09:17
  at many angles. They have cataracts and they're hearing this
• 2:09:23
  and it allows them to dismiss it as, well, she
• 2:09:26
  did the wrong, you know, she drove justifiable shooting.
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think– But somebody is motivating them to
• 2:09:32
  do that for those people.
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Why?
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 1: Well, because she's in the tank for Trump because Trump
• 2:09:38
  promised or maybe didn't promise but like whatever. He's useful
• 2:09:43
  in the sense that he's going to go on top
• 2:09:45
  of the regime in Iran. He's going to sue all
• 2:09:47
  these– or he's going to bring Harvard College to heel
• 2:09:50
  for whatever the hell they did.
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 1: You know, she believes that and again, a lot of
• 2:09:57
  this is just connected to her view that, you know,
• 2:10:01
  Israel's interests are always 100 percent concurrent with America's. And
• 2:10:07
  Trump gets that and he understands that. So she's in
• 2:10:10
  the tank for Trump, which, by the way, if Biden
• 2:10:14
  would have invaded Iran, she would have started protecting him.
• 2:10:16
  It doesn't seem like it's she doesn't care that much
• 2:10:19
  about a ton of issues. It seems to be that
• 2:10:22
  this is her big issue.
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 2: That's a disturbing thing to a lot of people. Like
• 2:10:26
  how much influence do they really have on this country?
• 2:10:30
  That's what creeps people out because I think no one
• 2:10:32
  even really considered it before October 7th. It wasn't– I mean, sure,
• 2:10:37
  people considered it. Nick Fuentes considered it. But it wasn't
• 2:10:40
  like it was an openly discussed thing amongst young people.
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 2: It wasn't until we started realizing– first of all, it
• 2:10:48
  was AIPAC. It was the the weirdness of the New
• 2:10:53
  York City mayoral race.
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, of course.
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 2: Very weird where they were all like, we're going to
• 2:10:58
  visit Israel.
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 1: Like what? Well, it's also in direct opposition to the
• 2:11:02
  stated goal of the Trump administration, which is to repair
• 2:11:08
  the United States and to make it great and to
• 2:11:11
  elevate it and to focus on the United States and to.
• 2:11:15
  not go into Middle Eastern wars, which was a huge,
• 2:11:18
  very popular plank of his platform and to not waste
• 2:11:22
  money and saddle ourselves with debt and mire ourselves in
• 2:11:25
  these unwinnable wars. And there was such a gaslighting campaign.
• 2:11:28
  The secretary of state came out after the Iran war
• 2:11:30
  and goes, well, Israel is going to attack them anyway.
• 2:11:32
  And our bases were going to be vulnerable. So we
• 2:11:34
  had to join. And then he went, no, I didn't
• 2:11:36
  mean that. I didn't really mean that. We're partners and
• 2:11:41
  we both think it's a great idea. And, There was
• 2:11:43
  tremendous pressure on him to do this and it hasn't
• 2:11:48
  worked and it's clearly not in the interest of the
• 2:11:51
  United States to be in a Middle Eastern war with Iran.
• 2:11:54
  Tons of Jewish people don't believe it is, lots of
• 2:11:57
  people from all walks of life, don't believe it, but
• 2:12:02
  there's an ideological group of people that donate a lot
• 2:12:06
  of money and that are incredibly powerful. And they are
• 2:12:09
  really pushing this. They're pushing troops and they're pushing nukes
• 2:12:15
  or non, you know, unconventional weapons, like crazy bombing campaigns.
• 2:12:19
  They're pushing troops on the ground. They don't care what
• 2:12:23
  it takes. Iran has to be either completely destroyed or
• 2:12:28
  it's just got to be a chaos zone or But
• 2:12:31
  for the regional ambitions of Israel, it can't exist. So,
• 2:12:36
  I mean, again, not in a paranoid, conspiratorial way, because
• 2:12:38
  I don't like the victim stuff either as a bunch
• 2:12:40
  of people in America being like, I can't get ahead
• 2:12:43
  because Jewish people are successful. I think that's a stupid
• 2:12:45
  road to go down. That's a victim road. I hate that.
• 2:12:48
  I hate it. I hate it when gay people do
• 2:12:50
  it or anyone, any group of people I hate when
• 2:12:53
  they drench themselves in victimhood. I think when you become
• 2:12:57
  a victim, you lose autonomy over your life. It's insane.
• 2:13:00
  But I do think there's a fair question to ask
• 2:13:03
  about what is– what is the motive of certain massive
• 2:13:13
  big donors? Is the motive the strength and prosperity of
• 2:13:17
  America or is it the strength and prosperity of Israel?
• 2:13:21
  That's a fair question. Yeah.
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 2: And like what about the rest of the world? Like–
• 2:13:29
  How much are we putting ourselves at odds with the
• 2:13:32
  rest of the world?
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 1: Indescribably the worst PR ever. And people cannot justify– you've
• 2:13:44
  got to be a very ideological person to justify southern Lebanon, Gaza, Iran,
• 2:13:54
  perhaps Turkey. This is starting to feel like– this is
• 2:13:56
  like a friend you have. who you make excuses for
• 2:14:00
  for a certain amount of time. And then your wife
• 2:14:02
  eventually goes, they're not allowed here. You can't go out
• 2:14:04
  with them. They've, they're a problem. They have a fucked
• 2:14:08
  up home life. I know they're fun. I know you
• 2:14:11
  share values. I know they enjoy each other. You've known
• 2:14:14
  each other for a long time, but here's the deal.
• 2:14:18
  They're not coming to the house and they can't be
• 2:14:19
  around the kids because they, you know, That's what it's
• 2:14:22
  coming down to.
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 2: It was even worse than that. The thing that drives
• 2:14:25
  me crazy is the negotiators. When they get negotiators, then
• 2:14:28
  they wind up whacking them.
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 1: They kill all the negotiators. And then Trump tells them, stop.
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 2: Stop killing negotiators. Stop bombing Lebanon.
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 1: Is this Iran deal going to work? Is it going
• 2:14:38
  to work? You know, stop bombing Lebanon. I think we're
• 2:14:42
  at odds now. We're in the last two years. We
• 2:14:45
  are now. It's we're at odds with. Israel for the
• 2:14:49
  first time where Trump is really at odds with them
• 2:14:51
  and he's had enough. And I think he is starting
• 2:14:55
  to understand that his legacy will be permanently tainted if
• 2:14:59
  he doesn't find a way to extricate us from this war.
• 2:15:02
  And I think on, on, on the other side, and that's, and,
• 2:15:05
  and Vance, again, for all the disagreements I might have
• 2:15:08
  with Vance about certain things, he is the, one of
• 2:15:14
  the only people in that administration who does push against
• 2:15:18
  the continuation of this war, which is why a lot
• 2:15:22
  of those neoconservative donors try to destroy him because of that.
• 2:15:27
  I don't love his tech alliances. There's a lot of
• 2:15:28
  things I don't like about him. But there's a lot
• 2:15:31
  of things I think are good about him. I think
• 2:15:32
  there's– and it's not like I don't like about him
• 2:15:34
  per se. I worry about– You know, some of his relationships.
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 2: How many of these relationships do you think are necessary
• 2:15:44
  for survival?
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 1: I'm sure all of them are, but they still need
• 2:15:49
  to be criticized and looked at 100%.
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 2: Not justifying it at all, but I'm saying I have
• 2:15:55
  a feeling like no completely autonomous person is ever going
• 2:15:59
  to make it through that maze.
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 1: Never, never. But I think the job is you turn
• 2:16:03
  the heat up enough. Where maybe if everyone's going to
• 2:16:07
  do 10 horrible things, they do two.
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 1: So I think it's certainly the job of anyone who
• 2:16:14
  looks at this stuff to look at it and go, yeah,
• 2:16:16
  what is going on? What is happening? But I will
• 2:16:19
  say for all of the tech things that I find
• 2:16:22
  a little– it's a little like, what? I do think
• 2:16:25
  that to his credit, he's the only one in there.
• 2:16:30
  And you can tell– and it's not that I– I
• 2:16:34
  have some inside knowledge. They're only, he's being attacked the
• 2:16:37
  most by the people that want the war to continue.
• 2:16:41
  And I think he knows his political ambitions will be
• 2:16:44
  completely destroyed by a continuation of this war. So I
• 2:16:49
  look at all these people, not as human beings, even
• 2:16:51
  though they are human beings, but I look at them
• 2:16:53
  as like, they're running the show to running the country.
• 2:16:56
  So they all have ambitions and, It's hard to know
• 2:16:59
  their hearts or heads or how they feel from one
• 2:17:01
  day to the next. It's very difficult. So I think
• 2:17:04
  when you look at them, you look at them and
• 2:17:05
  you go, yeah, he's a, he's calculated and ambitious, but
• 2:17:09
  he also is the one being attacked by people that
• 2:17:15
  want the war to continue. Tucker Carlson, who again, I
• 2:17:19
  have agreements with Tucker, I have disagreements with Tucker. He,
• 2:17:22
  the attacks on him are insane. The attacks on Megyn
• 2:17:25
  Kelly are wild because of this issue. It's not a
• 2:17:30
  myriad of issues. It's this issue.
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, undoubtedly. And it's weird. It's weird because it's so transparent.
• 2:17:38
  It's so transparent and the whole world is seeing it
• 2:17:41
  play out. And it's like the amount of gaslighting that
• 2:17:45
  you have to keep pumping.
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's not sustainable. Well, to. say that this was
• 2:17:51
  not in the interest– this was in America's interest. You
• 2:17:53
  have to do– you have to jump around logically so much.
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 2: Well, this is also the problem with the justification of
• 2:18:02
  what happened in Gaza. When people will try to say
• 2:18:04
  Israel– like Gad was saying, they're doing the best they can.
• 2:18:08
  Like– Look at the drone footage. Fly over that. That's
• 2:18:12
  the best you can do. That's crazy. Is that better
• 2:18:15
  than a nuke? Because I don't think it is.
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 1: It's inhumane.
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 2: It looks like the damage of a nuke just spread
• 2:18:20
  out over two years instead of one blast.
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 1: It's inhumane. It's evil. It's children being killed. It's mothers
• 2:18:28
  being killed in front of their children. And by the way,
• 2:18:30
  October 7th was inhumane, but I shouldn't have to keep
• 2:18:32
  doing that.
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 2: Of course you shouldn't have to do that, but it's
• 2:18:34
  also October 7th. You know, the people that got killed,
• 2:18:37
  those are the ravers, right?
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 2: So those are the people that were anti Netanyahu.
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 1: Totally.
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 2: Those are not the people that were- They also.
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 1: Killed, I think, probably a lot of like, they dragged
• 2:18:46
  people out of their houses.
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, they killed a ton of people that were- It's
• 2:18:49
  a bad situation there. Look, it's also like, why did
• 2:18:53
  it take so long to respond to that?
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 1: Well, this is another very interesting, very important question.
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 1: Because there's a lot of people that say- It's a
• 2:19:03
  state the size of New Jersey and the security failures
• 2:19:08
  are– they're pretty wild and there hasn't been a real
• 2:19:12
  investigation into them. And Netanyahu has kind of prevented that
• 2:19:17
  and they kind of made it illegal to question that
• 2:19:19
  in Israel. Like people were like writing about that and going,
• 2:19:22
  what the hell is going on? But like– It's illegal? Well,
• 2:19:24
  there was– they've made a law and you can look
• 2:19:27
  this up about things like this in Israel because during
• 2:19:31
  wartime– They haven't had an election? No. Since October 7th?
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 6: No.
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 1: Right? Right. They haven't had an election. It's suspended because
• 2:19:41
  of the war, right? Right. And Ukraine hasn't had an election.
• 2:19:44
  Nobody's had an election. So if I'm living in a
• 2:19:46
  country and the leader of my country just wants to
• 2:19:49
  be in a war forever, there is no democracy?
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, Clinton said that. Clinton said that about Netanyahu.
• 2:19:56
  He said he wants to maintain a war. I mean,
• 2:19:59
  he said it openly in an interview.
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 1: Right. And then an intern. And then a nice chubby
• 2:20:03
  intern showed up. Oh, I wish. And a nice, chubby
• 2:20:08
  intern showed up.
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 2: Full of internet and all these busy bodies was around.
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 1: He was the first guy to go viral. So, I mean,
• 2:20:15
  that's the thing. You don't have elections. You don't have
• 2:20:18
  people looking into things. And by the way, that's not
• 2:20:20
  the only thing that should be looked into. Look into everything. Right.
• 2:20:25
  Where are the 9-11 docs? What happened? Can we know?
• 2:20:27
  Why can't we know anything? Why can't we know anything? Yeah.
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 1: This is all of it. We're all adults. Release it.
• 2:20:39
  Let's see what happens. I'm sure it's fine. I'm sure
• 2:20:43
  no one did anything naughty.
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 2: I think this is all kind of breaking, though. It's breaking.
• 2:20:48
  One of the things that's happening with AI, it's like
• 2:20:51
  all these things that they are protecting us from, we're
• 2:20:54
  going to.
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 1: Find out that stuff. Well, here's the thing. I mean,
• 2:20:57
  I met you in 2019. The first time I met
• 2:21:00
  you was 2018. Big Jay Oakerson was opening for you
• 2:21:03
  in Toronto. Oh, wow. Yeah. But then I met you
• 2:21:07
  in 2019. And that's what, six years ago, seven years ago?
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 1: There were cracks of it breaking then, but almost invisible. Like,
• 2:21:17
  you couldn't see them.
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 5: Now you have full-on, like, huge sinkholes opening into the
• 2:21:27
  reality that most people have accepted for their entire life.
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 1: Yes. Big. Yeah, big. Big.
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 2: And you see like this Tulsi Gabbard, this press release
• 2:21:38
  that she did, this conference where she's talking about Fauci.
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 1: Sure. Yeah. All that. We're getting information now. We're getting information?
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 2: That let us know that the entire system has been
• 2:21:51
  completely corrupted for a long fucking time.
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 1: For a very long time. Very long time. And it
• 2:21:56
  won't survive. It clearly can't survive the way we're in.
• 2:22:00
  Is it $ 40 trillion worth of debt? It's close. Right?
• 2:22:05
  It was at 39. No one thinks that's getting paid back. Yeah.
• 2:22:08
  Who do we owe it to? Tell them to go
• 2:22:10
  fuck off. Right. So we have a lot of it's China.
• 2:22:13
  But like no one thinks that's getting paid back. The
• 2:22:16
  dollar is the world's reserve currency seems to have a
• 2:22:19
  limited amount of time. I don't know.
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 2: But this is what's discussed. No.
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 1: I mean how does this system survive this level of information?
• 2:22:29
  People are not going to.
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 2: Do you think that this whole race to AI, this
• 2:22:33
  like Manhattan Project style race that's going on right now,
• 2:22:36
  like the future of whatever the United States is kind
• 2:22:39
  of depends on us getting there first, right?
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 1: I think part of it is that.
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 2: If we don't get there first, then it's probably a wrap.
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 1: If you really thought about it, like if China gets
• 2:22:50
  there first. Sure.
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 2: Control of resources and everything shut off.
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 1: Sure. Whatever, how, what, if it's weaponized, my worry is
• 2:22:58
  that in the guise of fighting China, we're going to
• 2:23:01
  become China, you know? So I would take the government
• 2:23:05
  a lot more seriously if they weren't, you know, potentially
• 2:23:07
  having like, like saying Palantir should merge all these different
• 2:23:11
  government databases. So your health data and your criminal justice
• 2:23:15
  data and your tax data all merges and who's doing
• 2:23:18
  that Palantir. So you go, and then they go, well,
• 2:23:20
  China's got a, Credit score. Well, what the hell is that? Right.
• 2:23:24
  What the hell is this?
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 5: What?
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 1: So when Vance comes out and he goes, I'm worried
• 2:23:28
  about a credit score. It's like, OK. Hey, buddy. Me, too.
• 2:23:33
  What the hell is this? So it's a little bit
• 2:23:36
  of gaslighting in that sense, too. They're like, if China
• 2:23:40
  gets all this stuff, you're all going to we lose.
• 2:23:42
  And you go, OK. So it's almost like China will
• 2:23:46
  enslave you. Let us do it first.
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 2: Everyone's going to be on their best behavior.
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 1: That's right. Everyone's going to be on their best behavior.
• 2:23:52
  We're going to be watching them. You heard that quote. Yeah.
• 2:23:55
  Everyone's going to be on their best behavior. This is
• 2:23:57
  what these, the world economic from people like that. They
• 2:24:00
  don't have an interest in you owning a house or
• 2:24:03
  farming land or starting a business, or they don't have
• 2:24:08
  any interest in that there. It does not serve them
• 2:24:10
  at all. It did for a while, but their economic
• 2:24:15
  projection is that that's not going to be possible for you.
• 2:24:19
  So what they're going to do, they're building bunkers. They're
• 2:24:21
  hoarding all the wealth. And they're heavily invested in all
• 2:24:25
  this AI. And one of the reasons I think that
• 2:24:26
  we have to strike a deal with Iran is all
• 2:24:29
  this UAE money props up Hollywood, all these startups. It
• 2:24:32
  props up all the AI, a lot of it. A
• 2:24:35
  lot of that money is coming from Qatar and the UAE.
• 2:24:38
  And our bases are getting blown off the earth in
• 2:24:40
  those countries. Those countries are getting attacked because of this war.
• 2:24:44
  And they're a huge financier of American startups and some
• 2:24:47
  AI startups. So like one thing that I wonder about
• 2:24:52
  all of this is just how much this just does
• 2:24:55
  seem now to be a high level chess game about
• 2:25:00
  the future and what is and isn't possible. But the
• 2:25:03
  only thing that makes me personally happy is that Jared
• 2:25:06
  Kushner and Ivanka Trump just bought an island.
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 2: The Romanian people are really excited.
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 1: They're really excited. I see how they were celebrating in
• 2:25:16
  the streets. I believe they burned the prime minister's house
• 2:25:17
  or the president or whoever. They just start lighting houses
• 2:25:20
  on fire. And that's coming, by the way. They just
• 2:25:23
  did it in Belfast. That's coming. People starting to light
• 2:25:27
  things on fire is coming. That's coming. I'm not calling
• 2:25:31
  for it. I'm not saying it's good. But it's coming.
• 2:25:35
  Because voting's become fake. No one cares. People on threads.
• 2:25:44
  It's fake. It's fake. It's so obvious. It's fake. It's
• 2:25:52
  all fake. And you know what? Again, I'm not calling
• 2:25:56
  for it. It's bad. But fire is real. If you
• 2:26:08
  ask the people at Palisades or Malibu and whatever, RIP.
• 2:26:10
  I like the Palisades. It's a stupid mall. I liked it.
• 2:26:12
  But this is real. People are going to start realizing
• 2:26:16
  that all this technology has just been set up to
• 2:26:19
  give you this idea that you have some effect. And
• 2:26:22
  all the while, Jared and Yvonne could just go buy
• 2:26:25
  an island. That's what's happening. But maybe it's fine. Have
• 2:26:31
  you gotten any invites to any bunkers?
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 4: No.
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 1: No, they're not.
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 2: Do you think you'd feel differently if you did?
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 2:26:39
  Speaker 2: I know you've had invites to do interesting things.
• 2:26:41
  Speaker 1: I've had invites to Teal and I've said no because
• 2:26:44
  I would– I think he'd probably sit me down and go,
• 2:26:49
  listen to me, you fat fuck. You're going to shut
• 2:26:51
  your mouth. And I'd sit there and I'd go– no,
• 2:26:56
  I think it's– I think if they were going to
• 2:26:57
  invite me, someone goes, this is the guy who dressed
• 2:27:00
  up as Kristi Noem's husband with fake tits. And they go,
• 2:27:03
  we can't have him here. But by the way, absolutely. Absolutely.
• 2:27:06
  If somebody said to me, a few people are going
• 2:27:08
  to survive and it's just going to be you and
• 2:27:10
  these people and everybody else is going to die. It's tough.
• 2:27:14
  How fun would it be, though? Is it fun? Is
• 2:27:17
  it fun if the whole world dies and I'm just
• 2:27:20
  sitting and having dinner with J.D. Vance and his wife?
• 2:27:27
  I mean, is that the– Peter Thiel, me and Usha
• 2:27:30
  and just– Eating steak? Yeah. I mean, is that what
• 2:27:34
  we want? I don't know. Probably not. Probably not. What's
• 2:27:38
  the best case scenario? The best case scenario is a
• 2:27:41
  new era of enlightened people and enlightened thinking and soulfulness
• 2:27:46
  and spirituality and a healthy attachment to technology and religion
• 2:27:51
  and– You know, people's people's, you know, a common kind
• 2:27:56
  of a sense of morality and togetherness and love for
• 2:28:01
  community that's not enforced by governments, corporations and armies. Hmm.
• 2:28:09
  I'm not betting on that, but that would be good. Well,
• 2:28:13
  there's a battle, right? Yeah, there is.
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 2: It's not like one side is clearly going to win.
• 2:28:20
  We're moving in a very weird direction of uncertainty. But
• 2:28:24
  humans today are way better at being people, way kinder
• 2:28:29
  and nicer, despite all our problems, than we have ever
• 2:28:32
  been in the past.
• 2:28:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 2: Society is generally, at least in first world countries, safer
• 2:28:37
  than it's ever been in the past.
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:28:39
  Speaker 2: And it's also– there's more opportunity to do things now
• 2:28:44
  because of technology that's ever existed before. So it's not worse.
• 2:28:50
  But it's not moving in the best direction possible. Like
• 2:28:54
  if you had to choose between living today the way
• 2:28:56
  we're living now or living in 1976 in San Francisco,
• 2:29:00
  I'd be like, go fuck yourself. I don't want shitty
• 2:29:02
  breaks and live with these fucking people that don't know
• 2:29:04
  anything because no one has the internet.
• 2:29:05
  Speaker 1: Fuck that.
• 2:29:06
  Speaker 2: You're better off living today. The communication you have is
• 2:29:10
  better today.
• 2:29:10
  Speaker 1: You would go see Janis Joplin. Right. And you'd be
• 2:29:13
  smoking weed and a burrito would be 50 cents. And
• 2:29:18
  then you would go into a park and fuck and
• 2:29:20
  then die. And it might not be as bad as
• 2:29:25
  one thinks. And who knows? I didn't live during that time.
• 2:29:28
  So I'm sure there was a lot of pitfalls. You
• 2:29:30
  get stabbed, whatever. Like New York was more culturally interesting
• 2:29:34
  when there was crime. I'm against there being crime because
• 2:29:38
  New York couldn't have existed otherwise. It can't be 1983
• 2:29:41
  in New York now.
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 2: Times Square is a mall. Times Square right now is
• 2:29:45
  a TGI Fridays. But it used to be chaos.
• 2:29:49
  Speaker 1: It used to be chaos. But it can't be chaos forever.
• 2:29:51
  But again, in that city, do you get the Ramones?
• 2:29:54
  Do you get all of that stuff? Probably not. No.
• 2:29:58
  Probably not.
• 2:29:59
  Speaker 2: No, you need some chaos for art for sure. You
• 2:30:02
  need a little chaos. You don't get chaos from– TGI Fridays.
• 2:30:05
  You don't get that kind of chaos.
• 2:30:07
  Speaker 1: But I do think that there's a time for certain
• 2:30:09
  things and there's an inertia that moves certain things forward.
• 2:30:11
  Meaning like it would be crazy to think about New
• 2:30:14
  York in the eighties today. Like no one's built for
• 2:30:18
  that life today. Right. No one's even built for that.
• 2:30:21
  Like one of the reasons that wars don't work anymore
• 2:30:23
  is we're just not built for it. When a bill
• 2:30:25
  used to be built for war, people used to be
• 2:30:27
  built for war. They were built to like, just like, yeah,
• 2:30:29
  somebody calls me and I just go die.
• 2:30:31
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:30:32
  Speaker 1: You know, there's like a petition on the door and
• 2:30:33
  it's like, report here, we're going to war. People were
• 2:30:36
  built for, nobody's built for that now. People file complaints
• 2:30:39
  with DoorDash. I file complaints.
• 2:30:41
  Speaker 2: 1981 Rolling Stone magazine called West 42nd Street located in
• 2:30:45
  the heart of Times Square as the sleaziest block in America.
• 2:30:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now it's probably prime real estate.
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, listen, there's parts of it that are, you know,
• 2:30:55
  it's all prime real estate there. Whether people like it
• 2:30:58
  or not, it's not necessarily, you know, better it's better
• 2:31:02
  because it's safer but it's worse because it's safer nothing's
• 2:31:06
  all one thing nothing's all one thing there's still great
• 2:31:10
  art there there's still great music and comedy and theater
• 2:31:13
  and all that stuff is it as good as it
• 2:31:15
  was no no but again it's just because the people
• 2:31:20
  that that that are are doing it are amazing and
• 2:31:24
  they're and they're and they're talented but like culture is
• 2:31:26
  so decentralized now and fractures, it's nothing can stay cool.
• 2:31:32
  Everything that pop, you know, what's depressing me about New
• 2:31:35
  York is it's become like, it's become a place where
• 2:31:37
  people just go on Instagram and post them. You know,
• 2:31:41
  when you used to go to dinner in New York city,
• 2:31:42
  you would eat French food or food that could never
• 2:31:44
  make it home. You've never even seen, you didn't hear,
• 2:31:46
  they would treat you like shit. It was fun. Now
• 2:31:49
  you go to these places cause Taylor Swift went there.
• 2:31:51
  You have like, they, they just do like a high
• 2:31:53
  end version of it. Like a Totino's pizza roll. They
• 2:31:55
  put truffle oil on it. Here's a French dip. Here's
• 2:31:58
  a burger, people with their burger. It's just a basic
• 2:32:01
  bitch mall city now. That's really what it's become. That
• 2:32:04
  doesn't mean there's not a lot of psychopaths there making
• 2:32:06
  lots of money and good for them. But it's becoming
• 2:32:09
  a suburban city. It's a city where people talk about
• 2:32:13
  chicken salad. It's a city where people go to Wegmans.
• 2:32:16
  It's just a different city. It's Pilates and toddlers. It's
• 2:32:19
  all great. It's fine. I don't want to see people
• 2:32:21
  getting shanked, but it's not what it was. It's just
• 2:32:23
  not what it was. It doesn't have that same magic
• 2:32:26
  and nothing does. LA doesn't, nothing really does. And it,
• 2:32:29
  and it won't come back.
• 2:32:31
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think it's coming back. I don't know
• 2:32:33
  if that's good or bad. If I lived there, I mean,
• 2:32:36
  who knows what the fuck's going to happen now with mom,
• 2:32:37
  Donnie as mayor. I mean, that'll, that weirdness where, What's
• 2:32:42
  that guy's name?
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 1: Ken Griffin.
• 2:32:43
  Speaker 2: The billionaire guy who's in front of his apartment. Billionaire
• 2:32:46
  guy lives here. He's got so much money. We're going
• 2:32:48
  to take it.
• 2:32:49
  Speaker 1: We're going to tax him. Well, here's the thing. It's
• 2:32:51
  all fake. It's all fake. Mamdani's Trump. He's smart. He's sharp.
• 2:32:55
  He's good looking and young. He's just all crap. It's YouTube.
• 2:32:59
  It's like, look, billionaire guy. Ken Griffin's in Palm Beach
• 2:33:02
  building a house worth a billion dollars. You're not going
• 2:33:05
  to do anything to Ken Griffin. You're a city employee.
• 2:33:09
  The mayor is fake. It's like, He'll raise taxes maybe
• 2:33:12
  if he can get it done, but he can't. It'll
• 2:33:15
  get dirtier. Crime will go up or it won't. It's
• 2:33:17
  kind of whatever. It's just not, you know, I think
• 2:33:22
  it's not. It's more just the corporation's rule. And guys
• 2:33:27
  like him, it's like Bernie Sanders. He's the version of
• 2:33:29
  the socialist you get. What does it even mean? He
• 2:33:31
  has a bunch of military industrial complex jobs in Vermont.
• 2:33:34
  sweetheart of a man, but has not gotten one goddamn
• 2:33:37
  thing for 30 years. Worth billions, has three homes. Worth millions,
• 2:33:39
  has three homes. The Clintons sandbag him because they're working
• 2:33:42
  for God only knows who, the Goldman Sachs and the devil.
• 2:33:47
  And he goes and says, Hillary's great. They're all great.
• 2:33:50
  It's all great. The system's fine. I lost. He got
• 2:33:52
  sandbagged like twice. And he doesn't burn it to the ground.
• 2:33:57
  He won't burn it to the ground because that's the
• 2:33:59
  version of Of a socialist you get in America. And
• 2:34:01
  I'm not even like a socialist, but I'm saying like
• 2:34:03
  that's clearly– this is– you throw the bone to placate someone.
• 2:34:06
  Speaker 2: It's also they're playing a game and his game is
• 2:34:08
  to stay relevant.
• 2:34:09
  Speaker 3: Totally.
• 2:34:10
  Speaker 1: Keep being a politician.
• 2:34:11
  Speaker 4: Totally.
• 2:34:11
  Speaker 1: Keep being a senator from Vermont. You stay there forever.
• 2:34:15
  Everybody loves you. Ben and Jerry's. Yay. Vermont is a
• 2:34:18
  lily white state of– Frozen people. Of frozen people and
• 2:34:23
  it's just a bunch of lesbians and I think Alec
• 2:34:25
  Baldwin now because he shot someone. Does he live there now?
• 2:34:28
  I think he does, but I don't know. And I
• 2:34:31
  like him. Shout out to him. We've all moved on.
• 2:34:35
  But I think, you know, Sanders is doing what he
• 2:34:39
  has to do to please that demographic of people. What
• 2:34:42
  do you think happens in 2028? I think the donors
• 2:34:46
  want Rubio, but Rubio's kind of a buffoon. Why do
• 2:34:49
  they want Rubio? Because he's not... Vance is more isolationist
• 2:34:53
  than Rubio. And I think Vance is more in league
• 2:34:55
  with the tech people, whereas Rubio... maybe the central banking
• 2:34:59
  cartels of intergenerational pools of capital that are more invested
• 2:35:03
  in the war industry and might be slightly more aligned
• 2:35:05
  with Israel, like Rubio. Like there are different fiefdoms of
• 2:35:09
  the super rich. I think the tech guys are relatively new.
• 2:35:12
  Not that they don't get involved in war. Of course
• 2:35:14
  they do, but it's not all hunky dory. You know,
• 2:35:17
  if you had a banking empire for years and centuries
• 2:35:19
  and you're like, now all these new tech fucks are
• 2:35:21
  here and you're like, what is this? And you're like,
• 2:35:23
  we make our money with war and sort of the
• 2:35:26
  tech people, by the way, but they have other ways
• 2:35:27
  to make money. So I do think Vance will get
• 2:35:31
  the nomination. I don't think Rubio– I used to think
• 2:35:33
  it would be Rubio. But I've watched Rubio recently more
• 2:35:39
  and I don't think Rubio– he's too– I can't take
• 2:35:45
  him seriously. I don't know why.
• 2:35:49
  Speaker 2: Trump again suggests a Vance-Rubio 2028 presidential ticket or perhaps Rubio-Vance.
• 2:35:54
  Speaker 1: So this– it will probably be those two. Interesting. Interesting.
• 2:35:58
  Speaker 2: But do you think that people are going to want
• 2:36:00
  to buy into another Republican party?
• 2:36:03
  Speaker 1: No, it'll be a Democrat. I think it'll be a Democrat.
• 2:36:05
  Who do you think wins? I don't know. I think
• 2:36:07
  it's somebody that we don't know who it is yet.
• 2:36:08
  I think it's somebody that we don't know who it is.
• 2:36:10
  I don't think it's Newsom. I don't think it's AOC.
• 2:36:12
  I think it's somebody that comes from a red state
• 2:36:15
  who's a Democrat governor, a purple state. We don't know
• 2:36:17
  who they are yet. They pop up. They're boring. I
• 2:36:20
  think we need boring. I think a boring person is
• 2:36:24
  going to come in and just be like, hey, I'm
• 2:36:26
  the president. Reasonable. The show's over. Michelle Obama's a woman.
• 2:36:31
  And then you'll hear some of the country go, oh.
• 2:36:37
  Because Trump's a drug and you've got to detox from that.
• 2:36:39
  And this whole last decade has been a drug. And
• 2:36:41
  it's been the craziest decade that I've been alive. I
• 2:36:43
  remember sitting with you in election night. I remember me,
• 2:36:45
  you and Alex sitting down. I remember all these things.
• 2:36:48
  We're watching these crazy points. I remember when Trump was shot.
• 2:36:52
  I remember tragically when Charlie Kirk was shot. I remember
• 2:36:55
  all of these things that have happened that are just
• 2:36:57
  so crazy. And now seem so far away and like
• 2:37:03
  they're so far in the past. Gavin Newsom. They like
• 2:37:07
  this guy, John Ossoff. Who's that guy?
• 2:37:09
  Speaker 3: I just looked him up. I didn't know either. He's
• 2:37:11
  the youngest incumbent senator out of Georgia.
• 2:37:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's having a moment. You just nailed it. You
• 2:37:18
  could be him. Look at him.
• 2:37:19
  Speaker 4: There he goes.
• 2:37:20
  Speaker 1: Just looks like a president. Just put him in. Who cares? Yeah.
• 2:37:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:37:24
  Speaker 2: His neck is medium. It's not too thin.
• 2:37:26
  Speaker 1: He's got a medium neck. It's not too thick. He's
• 2:37:28
  got that face that people like. Like Tallarico's neck. is
• 2:37:30
  a little too small. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's probably true.
• 2:37:34
  Speaker 2: A little bit more square jawed. Conservative Georgia radio host.
• 2:37:39
  Endorses John Ossoff for U.S.
• 2:37:41
  Speaker 1: Senate. If they want to win, they just have to go, hey, everybody,
• 2:37:44
  remember health care? Don't you want that? Is he a Republican? Democrat.
• 2:37:51
  He's a Democrat. He's a Democrat, but he's going to
• 2:37:53
  LARP as a Republican in the same way that Spencer
• 2:37:55
  Pratt's like, I'm actually a Democrat. You know what I mean?
• 2:37:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:38:01
  Speaker 2: Worked as a national security staffer.
• 2:38:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a spook. Put him in. Who cares? It's
• 2:38:06
  fake at this point. We all know it's fake. How
• 2:38:09
  much more evidence does anyone need? Jesus Christ, Tim Dillon. Sorry.
• 2:38:13
  I'm glad you're out there. I'm glad you have me
• 2:38:17
  in here. Your podcast rules. Thank you, brother. I really
• 2:38:19
  appreciate it. It's such a great escape. Thank you.
• 2:38:22
  Speaker 2: It's so beautiful because just the way you're able to
• 2:38:26
  just combine reality with humor.
• 2:38:29
  Speaker 1: It's very rare. Well, thank you, dude. I appreciate it.
• 2:38:32
  I appreciate it.
• 2:38:33
  Speaker 2: It's a very unusual thing you're doing. It's very insightful
• 2:38:35
  political commentary and social commentary mixed in with hilarious takes
• 2:38:40
  on things that's very nihilist.
• 2:38:42
  Speaker 1: Well, I'll keep doing it until I'm put in a jail.
• 2:38:46
  Thank you, brother. Appreciate it. Appreciate you.
• 2:38:48
  Speaker 3: Bye, everybody.